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raven corps is about to unleash its newest and most powerful fighting unit. and we want to hold a testing meeting to see if any modification would be needed.....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v734/hobbeeb/Doom20Armor.jpg

this this the new soldier...

I can provide the specs, but I want to rp the specs.

Is that a cyborg?

What sort of testing are you looking for?

Its a human that has armor for skin. When a soldier is created they have their armor attached with a super-skin disolving agent that fuses the armor to the soldiers skin and the armor has small nods that monitor the soldiers vitals and bllod hormone levels. Basicly the siut become his literal skin. The suit is new but our process is still the same with our old models.. read our website for soldier detail under Security.

And for testing.... the whole gambit... Damage resistance, stamina, strength, one on one combat, one on 5 and 10 combat tests and suit demonsrtations

http://img.hrej.cz/f0/4fe802c639fdcec562ee76aeb5501f.jpg

New weapon also in teesting. roughly based offof the AK-47 firing systems. This rifle boasts a higher rate of fire with 4 fire modes, which are: auto, semi-auto, 3 round burst, and 6 shot burst. the rifle fires a .60 cal. Incendeary tipped round that has the impact yield of about 1/4 the power of a standard hand grenade. They also fire a .60 cal AP round that has the ability to punch through some of the most powwerful combat armors on the field to date.

This rifle becasue of its basic fire design has an extremely low jam rate and is easy to reload. making it a very powerful yet cheap weapon on the feild.

what happens if it goes rusty

One would not have to need to place the anti-corrosion on the list... kinda understood.

What happens if I fly over one of these guys with a big magnet hung under a helicopter?

What happens if I fly over one of these guys with a big magnet hung under a helicopter?

strange but understandable question:

the metal used is none polarized as to prevent magnetism problems.

what happens if it goes rusty

How does it pee?
How does it get Vitamin-D?
How does it sweat? I take it the soldiers are sterile now?

Ah, tension between cool ideas and reality in sci-fi continues.

How does it pee?
How does it get Vitamin-D?
How does it sweat? I take it the soldiers are sterile now?

Ah, tension between cool ideas and reality in sci-fi continues.


The suit is equiped with waste evacuation procedures. Urine is collected througha cathiter and is stored in a tank in the back. upon reaching its full point the tank empties when in the field. When in buildings the tanks are sealed and are replaced.

Vitamin-D- The soldiers doesn't eat and has a constant supply of liuqified foods and supplements which are feed directly to the stomach. A vast amount of vitamins are syntheticly produced and are inthe food supply.

Sweat: the suit ( if you read the websites information) is climate controled and keeps the soldier cool when needed as well as heated.

The soldier have no reproductive organs and have injections of estrogen-testosteron Hormones which are given through daily injections, or on a auto injecter.

now dont worry this soldier would not be a mass produced one... They are meant mainly for show... but still they effectiveness in battle should not be ignored..

Axis Nova:
"What happens if I fly over one of these guys with a big magnet hung under a helicopter?"

That wouldn't really matter, as only their skin is metal. It's much like the iron in a person's blood, the magnetic force necessary to cause a negative effect isn't something available using MT. If you're talking FT, then it's possible, though the machine would end up crushing whatever helicopter it's attached to.

Raven Corp,

Thank you for the answer, though they weren't necessary. I was just pointing out the tension between a cool idea and reality in science fiction. And I am going to read your website, I'm reading your bio-weaponry thread first though.

thanks... I have some pretty good weapons...Some have met contreversy others have been welcomed by armies and terrorists alike.

bump for RPers.

OOC: My IC nationstate's railroad the SLFR is trying to expand its business. And it secretly ships military goods as well as meeting the civilian's needs. I can RP having my railroad ship supplies to you to speed up research and boost distribution.

sounds good thanks

I still need diplomats to come to the meeting...

sounds good thanks

OOC: Your welcome. :)

What is the advantage of actually replacing the skin? One would think it a needless complication.

OOC: A few questions. Is this MT or PMT? (I use similar tech in my nation. But we are PMT we use tech like that on Ghost in the shell.) I could send some due to be “put down” Prisoners to test them on. (I will send normal non cybernized human prisoners. I also have some Alchemists, vampires and various other supernatural but they might be considered a different "Tech" level so its up to you :) ) Its Up to you. I can send a Diplomat but I’m not sure with meeting you are referring to.

How could this be MT?

What is the advantage of actually replacing the skin? One would think it a needless complication.

The skin replacement makes the soldier a completely solid object. unaffected by heat or cold, bio-chemical weapons are usless against them. Washing, or bathing is no longer needed. plus everyone is uniform and helps to keep order. a good number of advantages can come from the armor for skin.

OOC: A few questions. Is this MT or PMT? (I use similar tech in my nation. But we are PMT we use tech like that on Ghost in the shell.) I could send some due to be “put down” Prisoners to test them on. (I will send normal non cybernized human prisoners. I also have some Alchemists, vampires and various other supernatural but they might be considered a different "Tech" level so its up to you :) ) Its Up to you. I can send a Diplomat but I’m not sure with meeting you are referring to.

The prisoners would be great. You could bring them with your diplomat. And yes we are PMT.

bump for diplomats

Mondoth is undergoing Civil war of sorts right now, but The Draco Conglomerate would be glad to get an opportunity to see this thing, maybe providing some expertise/materials etc. And they'd just love to bring a couple of Centurion battle armors and do a head to head.

Axis Nova:
"What happens if I fly over one of these guys with a big magnet hung under a helicopter?"

That wouldn't really matter, as only their skin is metal. It's much like the iron in a person's blood, the magnetic force necessary to cause a negative effect isn't something available using MT. If you're talking FT, then it's possible, though the machine would end up crushing whatever helicopter it's attached to.

Raven Corp,

Thank you for the answer, though they weren't necessary. I was just pointing out the tension between a cool idea and reality in science fiction. And I am going to read your website, I'm reading your bio-weaponry thread first though.

Electromagnet. Done. Their skin is metal thick enough to act as armor. That will be a significant weight, and even non-ferrous metals can be grabbed by a powerful enough electromagnet.

great... can you get a pic of what the armor looks like?

Electromagnet. Done. Their skin is metal thick enough to act as armor. That will be a significant weight, and even non-ferrous metals can be grabbed by a powerful enough electromagnet.

it would have to be a large one... something that would get bombed long before the land strike. It would also be an extremely large and power hungry unit. The armor is a low density Titianium alloy with a high velocity gel layer inbetween the overlay and underlay. this helps with the units wieght problem.

it would have to be a large one... something that would get bombed long before the land strike. It would also be an extremely large and power hungry unit. The armor is a low density Titianium alloy with a high velocity gel layer inbetween the overlay and underlay. this helps with the units wieght problem.

*points out the helicopter* Phail. Bomb+airborne unit in the air=phail. And this is PMT enough that you can have things like, well...this. I could logically whip up a magnet to compensate.

The skin replacement makes the soldier a completely solid object. unaffected by heat or cold, bio-chemical weapons are usless against them. Washing, or bathing is no longer needed. plus everyone is uniform and helps to keep order. a good number of advantages can come from the armor for skin.


Solid object? No, not at all. Environmentally sealed, maybe, but they're still squishy.

Heat and cold? Of course that will still affect them, even if they can't readily feel temperature(which is bad, because they're more likly to be harmed by extreme temperatures if they can't feel it) - in anything, they'll be more vulnerable to hot environments, especially if you make the armour insulating to protect against cold.

Biochem weapons? Well, probably, so long as you kept them buttoned up, but the same goes for NBC-rated armour.

Bathing may no longer be needed, but it's only replaced by armour maintenance, and even a small breach leaves the soldier horribly vulnerable to infection - something they wouldn't readily notice, either, what with all the sensory receptors in their skin removed. Anything but minor maintenance is also now a medical procedure.

Speaking of such, yeah, no sensory receptors in the skin will lead to constant injury, as they now only have memory and visual cues, with no way to feel pain or gauge force/pressure.


Overall I'd say a good suit of carapace armour would better serve you; your expensive soldiers will be more versatile, more physically coordinated and environmentally aware, armour can be more readily maintained, to say nothing of replacement, etc., etc.

*points out the helicopter* Phail. Bomb+airborne unit in the air=phail. And this is PMT enough that you can have things like, well...this. I could logically whip up a magnet to compensate.


Thats the dumbest Idea I have heard yet.....Magnetic weapons....:rolleyes:

AS said by...Kanuckistan

Solid object? No, not at all. Environmentally sealed, maybe, but they're still squishy.

Raven said they where completely cut off fromthe outside enviroment. So yea, they are Environmentally sealed. And being squishy is a completely be side the point

Heat and cold? Of course that will still affect them, even if they can't readily feel temperature(which is bad, because they're more likly to be harmed by extreme temperatures if they can't feel it) - in anything, they'll be more vulnerable to hot environments, especially if you make the armour insulating to protect against cold.

Climate control...... It would not matter what the outside temp was if their body will maintain a constant temp. And if the temp is hot enough o kill them, it is sure as hell hot enough to kill the other soldiers as well. So this arugument is invalid

Biochem weapons? Well, probably, so long as you kept them buttoned up, but the same goes for NBC-rated armour.

NBC Armor only offers extra protection against NBC. it does not protect you fully.

Bathing may no longer be needed, but it's only replaced by armour maintenance, and even a small breach leaves the soldier horribly vulnerable to infection - something they wouldn't readily notice, either, what with all the sensory receptors in their skin removed. Anything but minor maintenance is also now a medical procedure.

The suit as Raven said would have a intel package with the suit. I am sure that the soldier would know if his armor was breeched. so this is not a valid concern.

Speaking of such, yeah, no sensory receptors in the skin will lead to constant injury, as they now only have memory and visual cues, with no way to feel pain or gauge force/pressure.

I want to see you hurt yourself if your skin was titianium alloy. I mean you really have to try. Plus as a soldier I dont think this soldier would be used for carefull mission... mainly big boom ones.


Overall I'd say a good suit of carapace armour would better serve you; your expensive soldiers will be more versatile, more physically coordinated and environmentally aware, armour can be more readily maintained, to say nothing of replacement, etc., etc.

But your armor leaves the soldier with one places in which to shoot.

Sense I cannot log on these damn forums with my main nation: Reich Rotc, I'm posting this with one of my puppet nations.



Solid object? No, not at all. Environmentally sealed, maybe, but they're still squishy.

Heat and cold? Of course that will still affect them, even if they can't readily feel temperature(which is bad, because they're more likly to be harmed by extreme temperatures if they can't feel it) - in anything, they'll be more vulnerable to hot environments, especially if you make the armour insulating to protect against cold.

Biochem weapons? Well, probably, so long as you kept them buttoned up, but the same goes for NBC-rated armour.

Bathing may no longer be needed, but it's only replaced by armour maintenance, and even a small breach leaves the soldier horribly vulnerable to infection - something they wouldn't readily notice, either, what with all the sensory receptors in their skin removed. Anything but minor maintenance is also now a medical procedure.

Speaking of such, yeah, no sensory receptors in the skin will lead to constant injury, as they now only have memory and visual cues, with no way to feel pain or gauge force/pressure.


Overall I'd say a good suit of carapace armour would better serve you; your expensive soldiers will be more versatile, more physically coordinated and environmentally aware, armour can be more readily maintained, to say nothing of replacement, etc., etc.

OK, Can you read....???
It says they are completly solid. Therefore they are a solid....
It says they are in an environmentally sealed skin armor that makes them a solid and if you are in an environmentally sealed area, wether it be this amor skin or a room or a building you will not be effected by outside heat or cold or other climate conditions. They don't feel the outside climate as they have their own climate. The skin armor protects from heat, cold and other climate conidtions which has nothing to do with what is happening outside.

IE>they'll be more vulnerable to hot environments, especially if you make the armour insulating to protect against cold.

Doesn't matter.
The way the skin armor is made it isn't insulated for cold or none insulated for heat conditions. As it is evironmentally sealed the inclosed environment changes to the outside climate.
IE>If its cold outside, the inclosed environment changes to a heated environment to couter act the outside climate effects. Therefore, outside climate doesn't do anything to the skin armored person.

Biochem weapons? Well, probably, so long as you kept them buttoned up, but the same goes for NBC-rated armour.

As the skin armor is not a suit you just put on and take off there aren't any buttons. It is your SKIN. It is not like an NBC-rated armor that you put on and take off. This skin armor cannot be taken off unless you go back through the sugery that you went to get your skin changed from normal skin to thie skin armor. Therefore Biochem ect.....doesn't do anything to the skin armored person.

Bathing may no longer be needed, but it's only replaced by armour maintenance, and even a small breach leaves the soldier horribly vulnerable to infection - something they wouldn't readily notice, either, what with all the sensory receptors in their skin removed. Anything but minor maintenance is also now a medical procedure.

Yes you have armor maintenance, just as everything else that is man made. However, if you were able to find a way to penatrate the skin armor the chances are you killed that skin armored person.

Speaking of such, yeah, no sensory receptors in the skin will lead to constant injury, as they now only have memory and visual cues, with no way to feel pain or gauge force/pressure.

I do believe that one Raven didn't say anything about NOT having sensory recptors. Second, there are sensory receptors as the skin amored person would need them to be able to function with such skin. Third, there is no constant injury as they have SR, MC, and VC.

Overall I'd say a good suit of carapace armour would better serve you; your expensive soldiers will be more versatile, more physically coordinated and environmentally aware, armour can be more readily maintained, to say nothing of replacement, etc., etc.

I don't know what armor you are talking about there, however.....
Ravens expensive soldiers are versatile, have the physical strength 100 times more than man, they are environmetally aware as those, as you put it, nonexisting sensory receptors, tell them and the inclosed climate then changes, plus their intell package lets them know what type of evironment they are entering. Any outside climate changes do to battle, are then picked up by they "nonexisting sensory receptors" pick that change up and make the inclosed change. Also the intell package is updated when that outside climate changes. The skin armor isn't that hard to maintain.

Burned......:D

Thats the dumbest Idea I have heard yet.....Magnetic weapons....:rolleyes:

Cause yaknow, nobody ever considered maybe grabbing things with magnets and hurling them at high rates of speed in a straight line... Phail.

oh.. people have...then they got their meds.....

IC:
SLFR chairman: We are sending our first train to Raven Corps. What resources do you need?

you can post in the main thread called "Red eyes, red ink"

you can post in the main thread called "Red eyes, red ink"

OOC:k

OOC: Linky? :confused:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515771

I could send a few Phyrexians and BattleTrons to help you out. I'm FT though, but it shouldn't be a problem.

great... can you get a pic of what the armor looks like?

sorry, don't have a pic right now, but I'll endeavor to get something to show off soon, been meaning to do it for a while actually.

oh.. people have...then they got their meds.....

We call it a railgun. Again, Phail. Do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars. Not exactly a railgun so much as a giant magnet catapult in this case, but still good at chucking things in a straight line with a magnet.

even in the PMT range people have tried to make railgun tech work. But its still to far into the FT range to be used. And one that have been used are huge and get destroyed early in the war.

And what is phail?

railgun's don't work?
Pity no one told the U.S. Navy, since they've got a working 8 MJ railgun (around the same muzzle energy as you're bog standard 155mm naval gun)
linky (http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2006/07/bae-producing-scaleddown-rail-gun-naval-weapon/index.php#more)

Though I agree it will not be hand-held for a looooong time, it makes for good artillery in the near future

Burned......:D


>>Anti-Artillery Laser Phalanx (http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htada/articles/20070111.aspx) Employed
>>Engaging Counter-Battery Fire

:)


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Environmentally sealed doesn't mean climate controlled, tho it'd be easy enough to add, I suppose. A larger issue would be powering it for prolonged periods away from your logistics support, but this seems somewhat more PMT than I'd first thought. As for hostile temperatures, the point was that a normal soldier would be more environmentally aware, and thus more readily take preventive measures.

As for NBC armour only offering NBC protection, well, flat wrong there. No reason you can't have both, especially if you have the tech to pull this soldier off.

By breach, I'm referring to small things; failed seals, that kind of thing. Tricky, but I suppose it'd be doable - harder to soldier proof, mind. Still, field repair would be an issue.

Hurting yourself when you have armour for skin would be easier than you think, especially without tactile feedback. A larger issue, perhaps, would be their inability to gauge force - is my foot touching? Am I griping something hard enough? Too hard? That kinda thing. Stuff like that's hard to appreciate unless you've had part of your body numbed.

One place to shoot? Huh? I mean carapace armour in the general sense; full body hard armour. Kinda like this but without the skin replacement, or a more extensive version of medieval fullplate.

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OK, Can you read....???
It says they are completly solid. Therefore they are a solid....
It says they are in an environmentally sealed skin armor that makes them a solid and if you are in an environmentally sealed area, wether it be this amor skin or a room or a building you will not be effected by outside heat or cold or other climate conditions. They don't feel the outside climate as they have their own climate. The skin armor protects from heat, cold and other climate conidtions which has nothing to do with what is happening outside.


That's... idiotic.

Replacing the skin cannot make a person completely solid; even excluding the internals, you need a horde of joints and other bits to retain the body's flexibility.

Also, environmentally sealed does not mean climate controlled. No/filtered air flow between, say, two rooms, is an environmental seal; this can be done passively. Climate control is temperature and humidity control(tho we can probably ignore the later in this case); this cannot be done passively, atleast in a mobile system like a soldier - you need to actively move and generate heat, which takes energy. In inclimate environments, alot of energy.



As the skin armor is not a suit you just put on and take off there aren't any buttons.


I should have been clearer - I was referring to air systems. Canned air is bulky, even rebreathers, both are rather finite - you might be able to get away with running air filtration, ala gas mask, 24/7, but they're not perfect.



I do believe that one Raven didn't say anything about NOT having sensory recptors. Second, there are sensory receptors as the skin amored person would need them to be able to function with such skin. Third, there is no constant injury as they have SR, MC, and VC.


There was no mention of skin-like sensory receptors, and it's not exactly a minor thing.

SR, MC, VC?


Ravens expensive soldiers are versatile...


I'm saying they would be more versatile - alot more - if they weren't physically bound to their inorganic armour.


And 100x strength? Eh, I'm not even going to touch that.







Anyway, while Raven seems to be able to mostly mitigate the liabilities of skin-armour replacement, I've yet to see something to justify the lengths needed to do so.

Mind, "I think it's cool!" is a perfectly good justification, and it does rather score points on that scale. :)






even in the PMT range people have tried to make railgun tech work. But its still to far into the FT range to be used. And one that have been used are huge and get destroyed early in the war.



The United States Navy (http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2007/012007/01172007/251373) disagrees.

;)



And what is phail?

Pronounce it phonetically; ph = f