NationStates Jolt Archive

In early 1926 delegates from a few Eastern European nations meet in Warsaw, invited by Polish President Stanisław Wojciechowski. The delegates seek foremost an economic agreement to reduce the affects of the depression, and a defensive agreement against all outside attack.

The delegations have arrived and taken seats at the table (to save some time), ready to discuss proposals for the treaty.

The French Foreign Ministry warns the Polish Government that Hungary has an Alliance with Germany and thus the Entente rightfully considers it to be a potential adversary in any future conflict. A treaty obligating Poland to come to the defense of Hungary in the event of “outside attack” would not be in Poland’s best interest, and the same is true for all other neutral states invited to Warsaw.

The French Government also points out that Bulgaria and Albania have Alliances with Germany.

“You are looking for neutrality where none exists presently.”

The French Foreign Ministry warns the Polish Government that Hungary has an Alliance with Germany and thus the Entente rightfully considers it to be a potential adversary in any future conflict. A treaty obligating Poland to come to the defense of Hungary in the event of “outside attack” would not be in Poland’s best interest, and the same is true for all other neutral states invited to Warsaw.

The French Government also points out that Bulgaria and Albania have Alliances with Germany.

“You are looking for neutrality where none exists presently.”

OOC: not to clog up, but I believe Bulgaria has left the alliance with germany (Germany still protects its soveirgnty) and Albania never signed the compact

OOC: not to clog up, but I believe Bulgaria has left the alliance with germany (Germany still protects its soveirgnty) and Albania never signed the compact

OOC: Albania has a separate Alliance with Germany.

The Turks notice that Hungarian delegation was already there and seated waiting for others to arrive

The Turkish delegation took their seats and waited for meeting to start.

His Majesty Prince Kyril, Prince of Preslave, cordially greets all delegates present at the conference and celebrates current existing warm relations between all our nations.

He also expresses optimism regarding this proposed pact and its potential effect in reducing Eastern Europe's dependence on other nations for arms, equipment and protection.

President Wojciechowski presided over the talks personally.
Well, now that we are all present, I suggest that we get down to the issues at hand. As a general rule, the our nations have been dependent on our larger neighbors, both economically and militarily. We have the capability and the right to be stronger, we will need to work together to do so.

We are a diverse group, it is true, stretching from the Baltic to the Eastern Mediterranean. However, we are united by our common dilemmas. All of us have been affected by the depression currently wreaking havoc on the world economy, the recent activity of Communist movements, and a growing dependency on the larger nations around us.

One of the largest stumbling blocks to peace in the area has been dispute over borders. In order for any agreement to function, all of us would have to regard the boundaries of other signatories as legal.

After that I feel we should turn to the economic side of affairs. Releasing ourselves from foreign debt is a top concern for my government. As a result, Poland is willing to help relieve other nations, and will, with Hungarian permission, begin providing 50% of the payments on that nation's debt owed to Greece.

As a further economic measure, I would recommend all of our nations do what we can to foster trade, by lowering tariffs as much as possible, and encouraging investment in neighboring nations.

As most of us have recently taken steps to distance ourselves from larger neighbors, I would feel comfortable extending an offer of mutual defence to all of your nations. Poland, unlike many of you, has an NAP with Russia and Germany, and Britain guarantees our independence. Our only defence agreement at present is our agreement to protect the integrity of the Papacy. With the understanding that members, if participating in this part of the treaty, should not expect support for wars of agression, wars resulting from following a defence agreement with third parties, or wars focused on colonial possessions, currently a non-issue, I would present this agreement to you.

Before we proceed further, are there any comments or questions?

One of the largest stumbling blocks to peace in the area has been dispute over borders. In order for any agreement to function, all of us would have to regard the boundaries of other signatories as legal.

Regarding this point we understand that there are no major problems between present signatory nations, perhaps there are a few squabbles regarding Thrace (Turkey/Bulgaria) or Zaolzie (Hungary/Poland) but we are certain that current warm relations allow peaceful dialog between signatories.

After that I feel we should turn to the economic side of affairs. Releasing ourselves from foreign debt is a top concern for my government. As a result, Poland is willing to help relieve other nations, and will, with Hungarian permission, begin providing 50% of the payments on that nation's debt owed to Greece.

Indeed the handling of foreign debt is an important matter, but we must not run awry of current economic crisis, which sadly doesn't seem to be abating as we had hoped.

As a further economic measure, I would recommend all of our nations do what we can to foster trade, by lowering tariffs as much as possible, and encouraging investment in neighboring nations.

We regret that in the interests of the Bulgarian National Economy we are unable to alter our present tariffs policies at the moment due to the worsening depression that is sweeping Europe.

However, we suggest that we at least help employ the increasing number of unemployed workers by employing them in various joint public works.


As most of us have recently taken steps to distance ourselves from larger neighbors, I would feel comfortable extending an offer of mutual defence to all of your nations. Poland, unlike many of you, has an NAP with Russia and Germany, and Britain guarantees our independence. Our only defence agreement at present is our agreement to protect the integrity of the Papacy. With the understanding that members, if participating in this part of the treaty, should not expect support for wars of agression, wars resulting from following a defence agreement with third parties, or wars focused on colonial possessions, currently a non-issue, I would present this agreement to you.

Most certainly, This goes without saying.

The Russian diplomat to Poland drops by the President's office to make the views of his country known.

"Although we encourage Poland to seek out better relations with all of its neighbors, we are not comfortable with the fact that you seek to sign defense agreements with countries that have, in the past, proven themselves to be dire enemies of Russia. Hungary is still allied to Germany and although Bulgaria has dropped their alliance with the Germany, it is still worrisome. We do not believe that a mutual defense agreement with Hungary would be beneficial to the stability of the region or to Poland's neutrality."

President Wojciechowski presided over the talks personally.
Well, now that we are all present, I suggest that we get down to the issues at hand. As a general rule, the our nations have been dependent on our larger neighbors, both economically and militarily. We have the capability and the right to be stronger, we will need to work together to do so.


At this point a member of the Hungarian delegation replied with a "Hear, Hear"


We are a diverse group, it is true, stretching from the Baltic to the Eastern Mediterranean. However, we are united by our common dilemmas. All of us have been affected by the depression currently wreaking havoc on the world economy, the recent activity of Communist movements, and a growing dependency on the larger nations around us.

One of the largest stumbling blocks to peace in the area has been dispute over borders. In order for any agreement to function, all of us would have to regard the boundaries of other signatories as legal.


"We by all means welcome this suggestion and infact already recognise current borders of nations approaching here as legal."

After that I feel we should turn to the economic side of affairs. Releasing ourselves from foreign debt is a top concern for my government. As a result, Poland is willing to help relieve other nations, and will, with Hungarian permission, begin providing 50% of the payments on that nation's debt owed to Greece.


"We are certainly appreciative of the offer how would also ask if governments could enourage businesses to invest into the Hungarian economy should the economy be able to support such foreign investment."


As a further economic measure, I would recommend all of our nations do what we can to foster trade, by lowering tariffs as much as possible, and encouraging investment in neighboring nations.


Perhaps a more unified approach to tarrifs would benefit the entire pact, however we are currently unsure about the lowering of tarriffs perhaps institute a committee to look at the current level of tarriffs in member nations and determine policies for a unified approach to tarriffs would be a better idea.


As most of us have recently taken steps to distance ourselves from larger neighbors, I would feel comfortable extending an offer of mutual defence to all of your nations. Poland, unlike many of you, has an NAP with Russia and Germany, and Britain guarantees our independence. Our only defence agreement at present is our agreement to protect the integrity of the Papacy. With the understanding that members, if participating in this part of the treaty, should not expect support for wars of agression, wars resulting from following a defence agreement with third parties, or wars focused on colonial possessions, currently a non-issue, I would present this agreement to you.


"We are certainly willing to join in an Mutual Defense Treaty between regional members for we find the neccesity for defense against larger nations.

As for the Russian point about the Hungarian Alliance with Germany, we find it prudent that we sign this Mutual Defense Treaty and then withdraw from our alliance with Germany, infact we fully support a provision in this that pact that requires we withdraw our Alliance with Germany before being able to activate mutual defense obligations of this pact , however as for Bulgaria we can only see that the Russian government wishes this Pact to fail for it's own purposes."

The Romanian diplomat issues a protest, wondering why the Kingdom of Romania, which has no alliances with any countries, was not invited, while Hungary,a known ally of Germany and hardly a 'neutral' country was invited instead.

The French Ambassador to Poland makes it very clear to the Polish President that forming a defensive alliance with Hungary is not in Poland’s best interests.

The Baltic Union sends a representative and expresses interest in joining in a mutual defense pact with Poland and Hungary, citing that strong neutrality is more likely to prevent it from being a battleground if the Germans fight France and Russia again.

The following response is sent to Romania:

"While Hungary may indeed have an alliance with Germany, representatives have stated that Hungary will soon withdraw from that treaty.

Romania was not initially invited because of her claims on multiple other invitees, which have often been phrased rather violently. However, the issue of membership for Romania, Greece, Albania, and other nations in the area will be brought up later in the conference."

A French telegram is sent to each delegation, as well as to their governments. It reads:
France warns Poland that if required Russia will invade Germany by Hungary in order to honor its Alliance with France and Poland would be wise not to have a mutual defense treaty with Hungary for that reason.

(responses to conference talks to come shortly)

The Kingdom of Bulgaria declares formal protest over such statements made by the French calling for the violation of the neutrality of sovereign nations. This further indicates the strong need for an organization such as the Warsaw Pact to better defend against the whims of tyrannical bodies.

As for the membership of Romania, the Kingdom will tolerate and might even support their membership if and only if they, as all members of the Warsaw Pact, recognize existing borders as legal and inviolable. Such that they cannot be altered without mutual consent of all parties relevant. The same may apply to other potential members.

As for the membership of Romania, the Kingdom will tolerate and might even support their membership if and only if they, as all members of the Warsaw Pact, recognize existing borders as legal and inviolable. Such that they cannot be altered without mutual consent of all parties relevant. The same may apply to other potential members.

Romania responds by stating that they will never recognise the illegal and tyrannical occupation of Dobruja by the Bulgarian government as 'legal and inviolable.' Prime Minister Alexandru C. Cuza states that "to recognise Dobruja as Bulgarian territory would betray the brave and noble people of Dobruja's years of suffering under the heel of the Bulgarian tyrant."

Hence Romania was not invited, as it has time and again stated that it will not commit to one of the basic fundamental bases of the Warsaw pact.

Hence Romania was not invited, as it has time and again stated that it will not commit to one of the basic fundamental bases of the Warsaw pact.

If by "fundamental base" Bulgaria refers to the occupation of another nation's territory.

OOC: Enough post-for-post Bickering in the pact thread...

The Bulgarian Representative expresses that he is extremely sad that the Romanians think of the matter in such a matter even after recent enacted measures by the Bulgarian Government to seek reconciliation between the two nations.

Realizing that nothing can be gained from further communication with the Romanians decides to refrain from continuting negotiations with the uncomprimising Romanians until a future time when negotiations are more fruitful.

However at the conference (To other present delegates), the Romanians attitude is raised as an issue which Bulgaria wishes to address.

The Greek delegation, a late arrival at the conference, made it clear, that recognising the current borders of Macedonia would be unacceptable, as this nation does not legally exist in Greek eyes, as it is merely part of the Hellenic homelands. It is also added, that Greece does not want to join any kind of "alliance" which could bring it into conflict with the Entente, who are all former allies of Greece.
Also, Greece seeks reassurances that other Warsaw Pact members will petition Albania to give up Corfu.

The Bulgarian Representative examines the Greek proposal and expresses wonder at the points given; 1-Greece does not want to recognize legitimate borders recognized by other major international bodies, and by the Arlington Peace treaty, 2-Greece does not want to participate in the defense of any pact member, since the Entente seems to be Hell-bent on attacking Hungary even without provocation. Finally, after effectively promising nothing other than hostility and stubbornness, 3-Greece wants the pact to throw away any remaining concept of Sovereignty and exert much influence on a nation to give up recognized territory.

We believe this can be summed up as Greece wanting "Much-for-Nothing", perhaps another offer, then?

Well, it seems that we have the basic structure of a treaty at least. The economic aspects will require greater insight, as will conditions for inducting members. Of the other nations in the area, namely Greece, Macedonia, Albania, Montenegro, and Romania, what do you all think of their induction? I feel Albania, Macedonia, and Montenegro would all benefit from membership, being small and uncapable of maintaining serious defence in the face of a larger enemy.

As to Greece and Romania, they have, through recent statements, contradicted several key ideas the rest of us have agreed to, specifically the recognition of territorial boundaries, and a mutual defense treaty. As such, Poland would not suggest allowing them to sign, however, I would suggest all of us vote on the inclusion of each nations mentioned above, with a simple majority (3/5, counting the BU as having one vote) allowing them to sign.

(OOC: To avoid unneccessary clutter, please TG me your responses.)

The Greek delegation ignores the Bulgarian's anti-Greek sentiments, and merely points out that Greece would easily be wiped out, should it find itself at war with the Entente, and the Entente have provided much for Greece. Greece feels that we should working towards peace, rather than planning for another war.
It is also added, that Greece would consider buying up some of Hungary's debt, should Hungary, Poland and other possible treaty signatories make concessions towards Greece.
Furthermore, Greece lays claim to lands which have been Greek for many years, regardless of what a recent treaty says.

OOC: I assume that NPC Albania and Montenegro by accepting to join the pact are to withdraw from their respective alliances with Germany? of course this will require German player approval.

German Presence in Albania must be addressed though.

(OOC: I'll put together a version of the treaty as I see it coming together at present for us to talk about.)

The votes are collected, and even before the BU has decided, Montenegro, Albania, and Macedonia are given permission to sign.

OOC: how treaty is shaping up at present:
The Warsaw Pact

Preamble
TBD

Article 1: Conditions for Membership
a. Prospective members must agree to all articles of the treaty, and agree to respect them.
b. Prospective members will be subject to a vote among membership, with 51% of the membership required to vote in favor before the prospective nation is allowed to sign.
c. Nations extended an invitiation will be required to drop all mutual defense agreements with outside powers within 3 months of signing, or they will not be afforded the protections of the Mutual Defence treaty

Article 2: Regional Cooperation
a. All member states will recognize the borders of other members as legal and invioable.
b. Members will offer aid, where possible, to member nations in distress

Article 3: Economic Policy
a. When economically feasible, states will aid each other in promoting economic growth and stability

Article 4: Military Policy
a. Members will defend all other member states (except those who fail to meet the requirements of Article 1.c) from foriegn agressors.
b. Article 4.a does not include wars of agression resulting from agreements between a member state and a third party, colonial disputes, or wars begun by the signatory
c. Members will do their best to ensure that other members are fully equipped and prepared to defend themselves against attacks from all probable adversaries.
c.i Poland guarantees sales of Polish-made aircraft and weapons to all signatories

The Turkish Government is willing to sign the treaty as is.

The Baltic Union is willing to sign as well

The Hungarian Government is willing to sign and is already is establishing dates and time to ceremonially withdraw from an alliance with Germany and sign the new document hereby indicating the end of one era and the begining of another.

However, an undiscolsed aid comes in and hands one of the Hungarian delegation a piece of paper.

"Not only has the nation of France have threatened the nation of Hungary, who is about to enter a new era of diplomacy but they infact they have attempted to use this to blackmail our great nation into signing a secret treaty that if it was decided to be warrented by Russian forces which would shatter Hungarian neutrality. Our governmennt is denouncing such actions taken by the French and will not let our great nation be railroaded into anything by anyone. And as such we publicly out the french government and their Russian lackies in this underhanded undermininf of Hungarian sovereignty."

Copies of the Telegrams from both Russia and France and submitted to the Warsaw pact as well as leaked to as many media outlets in Hungary and abroad as possible.

OOC: Urgh... I stupidly deleted the TG's that France and Russia sent me. We had alot more TG's and by the end I had 13 TG's lined up in my inbox

IC TGs
The Hungarians mainly saw France's interference in the Warsaw Pact as an attempt to blackmail them, particularily the blunt claim the it was "not in Poland's interest to include Hungary in the Pact" and then the threat directed to Poland just tipped the scale. That infact the French where attempting to blackmail Hungary. Which it seemed in the copious TG's that where sent between us. Eh, I wish I kept those.


> The French Government inorms the Hungarian
> Government that it will drop all opposition if
> Hungary signs a Secret Treaty with France and Russia
> allowing Russian troops through Hungary in the event
> of a war between The German Empire and the Russian
> Empire/French Republic. Of course, in such a treaty
> Hungary would receive compensation for any damage
> resulting.


>
> The Russian government quietly inquires as to the
> possibility of a secret treaty between the two
> nations. Ideally, it would stipulate the following:
>
> -That, should Russia need to attack Germany in the
> event of a war between the Grand Entente and
> Germany, Hungary will allow Russia to ship supplies
> and troops through its country to attack Germany.
>
> -In exchange, Russia will look the other way or
> ignore whatever maneuverings Hungary chooses to do
> in the Balkans, with the the exception of the
> Dalmitian coast, in which Russia backs the Italian
> position (what ever that may be) and Romania (which
> is unofficially under Russian protection).

The Hungarian Government is willing to sign and is already is establishing dates and time to ceremonially withdraw from an alliance with Germany and sign the new document hereby indicating the end of one era and the begining of another.

However, an undiscolsed aid comes in and hands one of the Hungarian delegation a piece of paper.

"Not only has the nation of France have threatened the nation of Hungary, who is about to enter a new era of diplomacy but they infact they have attempted to use this to blackmail our great nation into signing a secret treaty that if it was decided to be warrented by Russian forces which would shatter Hungarian neutrality. Our governmennt is denouncing such actions taken by the French and will not let our great nation be railroaded into anything by anyone. And as such we publicly out the french government and their Russian lackies in this underhanded undermininf of Hungarian sovereignty."

Copies of the Telegrams from both Russia and France and submitted to the Warsaw pact as well as leaked to as many media outlets in Hungary and abroad as possible.

OOC: Urgh... I stupidly deleted the TG's that France and Russia sent but I emailed them to GB. I'll edit them in when I can get GB to TG them back


Russia denies that is in fact a "lackey" but does admit that it sought a secret treaty from Hungary regarding the passage of troops in the event that it would become neccessary for Russia to defend its ally, France. However, the Russian government denies that they had any intention of blackmail and would not stoop to threaten another nation.

The government offers an apology regarding the incident, being unaware that the French were making threats and, as a show of good faith, fully endorses the Warsaw Pact treaty.

Secret IC: France suggests Russia explore the option of cutting off trade with Poland and Hungary.

The French State and Government deny ever sending such telegrams, ordering such telegrams sent, or being aware such telegrams were ever sent in the first place. The Ambassador's to Poland and Hungary are each recalled and subsequently sacked for overzealousness after it is determined they acted without approval. It also firmly denies Poland was ever threatened. However, the French Foreign Ministry issues a statement saying that the Hungarians are exaggerating the telegrams for their own political purposes and distribute milder copies contradicting the Hungarian ones.

The Hungarian delegate dismissing the french released Telegrams officially announces that Hungary has withdrawn from it's alliance with Germany.

(OOC: Just wondering if this is all officially signed at this point?)

The Hungarian delegate dismissing the french released Telegrams officially announces that Hungary has withdrawn from it's alliance with Germany.

(OOC: Just wondering if this is all officially signed at this point?)

OOC:

I would like to make a case for a large retconing on the Warsaw thread, for the specific reason that there were no "Telegrams," it was all word of mouth from my Ambassador and the Russian Ambassador, and you could see that from the nature of the telegrams, which had quoation remarks and backstory! The French and Russian governments were not stupid and they did not commit such damaging things to paper. That is why I (and Kilani) was so surprised by what happened, things being "published" as if they were written. There was no corispodence, it was all verbal, the French and Russian ambassadors making proposals/warnings to the respective leaders of Poland and Hungary in person. I hereby request that all players retocon meantion of such events.