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An invitation to Gbadolite (attn, all SYAE members)

Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 07:59
{OOC: This thread is for members of SYAE (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=515078) only, so if you're not a member, please do not post. Thanks.}


IC:


Diplomatic Communique to all Governments


Fellow Statesmen,

"Before us today are many dire and pressing issues: poverty, disease, war, natural disasters, terrorism. In spite of the fact that we are economically, and even politically, more integrated than we were a hundred years ago, the number of incidents seems to be increasing, rather than decreasing. This is of concern to me, and I'm sure it concerns all of you, as well. Therefore, I invite all heads of state, heads of government, etc. to attend an international conference in Gbadolite, Zaire, to discuss these and other issues in depth. If you are unable to attend personally, you may send a representative in your place. Or if for some reason you cannot participate at all, that's fine, too, although I hope everyone can attend. Lodging will be provided for all guests at my three palaces, with all expenses covered by the Zairian government. Security will be handled by the Special Presidential Division, which, being trained by Israel and equipped with the finest in weaponry, is more than capable of defending us from any internal or external threat. I hope to see you all here."


Mobutu Sese Seko
President of the Republic of Zaire
http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/images/Coat_of_arms_of_Zaire.PNG



{OOC: We can assume Mobutu is already at the conference, so rather than RPing your reply to the invitation, you can just have your character walk in, if you wish.}
Gashgalgabrad
21-01-2007, 08:11
Ismail Kazmirov Arived at Gbadolite Int'l airport quicky after he got the message flanked by two shotgunmen.

"So where do we go?" Asked one of his guards
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 08:14
Kazmirov and his bodyguards were led to a long, glistening, bulletproof limosine, painted a slick shiny black. A servant opened the doors for them, and once they were inside, it sped off for the conference.
Gashgalgabrad
21-01-2007, 08:17
"It seems this Mobutu is very extravagent" Kazmirov said to his guards in arabic.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
21-01-2007, 08:20
As Air Force One approached Zairan airspace the senior pilot radioed Zairan air traffic control to coordinate the landing and to notify the Zairans that President Whitmore had arrived.
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 08:20
The conference hall defied imagination. It was massive, much larger than a football stadium, and constructed of high quality white marble. The doors were eight feet tall and painted gold. Huge banners of Mobutu's portrait adorned every outside wall, and in front of the building, a 20 ft. tall statue of Mobutu, donning his trademark abacost and leopard skin toque, greeted visitors. Surrounding the conference hall were vast gardens home to hundreds of thousands of flowers of every variety imaginable, ornamental fountains, and more. Guarding the entrance were two burly, tough DSP soldiers, who opened the doors for Kazmirov and his guards. As soon as they were inside, a guide greeted them, and led them to the main room, where Mobutu awaited.
Gashgalgabrad
21-01-2007, 08:24
"I feel that this place is been built with the blood of the peaple here" Kazmirov's guard said to Kazmirov in Kazakh.

"Perhaps.. but for now let us stay quiet" Kazmirov said
Newer Kiwiland
21-01-2007, 08:28
Emperor Manuka II, Archbishop of Neo Kyora, watched from the window of his plane as the land of Gbadolite approaches. Beside him, Deputy Foreign Minister Prince Rohk Eleitein furiously tried to read through every piece of intellegence and otherwise relevant information the Empire has gathered for the upcoming conference.

"Don't get so worked up," the Emperor remarked. "It's not like we are supposed to be experts on any of these issues anyway..."

Rohk almost snorted. "You lectured on environmental politics and international relationships...." The Current Emperor was an esteemed professor at the Neo Kyora Imperial College before his election to the throne.

But at that moment the plane landed, and Emperor Manuka II gracefully exited the plane, surrounded by 4 bodyguards.
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 08:30
With his carp lips, thick Buddy Holly-esque glasses, leopard skin toque, and dark blue abacost (beneath which was a bullet proof vest) with a cravat, Mobutu was instantly recognizable. Observant visitors could discern more than a few streaks of gray in his hair, and his face was creased with several wrinkles, but he was incredibly astute and sharp for a man his age. Regal and wily, his eyes conveyed deep insight and phenomenal intelligence. He smiled, warmly, prominently illuminating the handsome features which once endeared him to many women as a young man. He stood, a bit slowly and unsteadily, using his cane (which official rumor said was so heavy 20 normal men could not carry it) for balance. He walked forward and shook Kazmirov's hand. In impeccable French, he said, "Hello, Mr. President. I am Citizen President Mobutu Sese Seko. Welcome to the Republic of Zaire."
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 08:32
Emperor Manuka II, Archbishop of Neo Kyora, watched from the window of his plane as the land of Gbadolite approaches. Beside him, Deputy Foreign Minister Prince Rohk Eleitein furiously tried to read through every piece of intellegence and otherwise relevant information the Empire has gathered for the upcoming conference.

"Don't get so worked up," the Emperor remarked. "It's not like we are supposed to be experts on any of these issues anyway..."

Rohk almost snorted. "You lectured on environmental politics and international relationships...." The Current Emperor was an esteemed professor at the Neo Kyora Imperial College before his election to the throne.

But at that moment the plane landed, and Emperor Manuka II gracefully exited the plane, surrounded by 4 bodyguards.

A limosine identical to the one which had transported Kazmirov to the conference hall awaited the Emperor. Two conspicuously dressed servants of Mobutu bowed their heads curtly, opening the doors for him.
Gashgalgabrad
21-01-2007, 08:33
"It is good to meet you Citizen President Mobutu Sese Seko, how are you this day" Kazmirov said in french
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 08:34
"It is good to meet you Citizen President Mobutu Sese Seko, how are you this day" Kazmirov said in french

Smiling, Mobutu shook Kazmirov's hand. He had a tremendously strong grip for a man pushing 80. "Very well, very well. Thank you. Yourself?"
Gashgalgabrad
21-01-2007, 08:35
"I am good thank you. Now when will the others get here?" Kazmirov asked
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
21-01-2007, 08:40
President Whitmore was confering with his aids when the intercom signaled it was time to prepare for landing.

A moment later, Air Force One touched down on the tarmac and rolled to a gradual halt. The door opened and the President was the first out of the plane, as per decorum, followed by his staff and secret service agents.
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 08:41
Taking a seat, Mobutu said, "Soon, soon. In the meantime...would you like anything to drink?"

While Mobutu seemed convivial and very friendly, the man sitting next to him had an icy glare that would have given even the most steel-spined man a chill. Behind his spectacles hovered two intense, predatory eyes, burning with hate and wrath. The man focused his gaze on Kazmirov, with a glare that felt as if it could have burned through one's flesh. The eyes glimmered with pure, unadulterated enmity, as the man began to breathe a bit more rapidly, his pulse ticking away. For a moment, it seemed as if he would reach across the table and lunge for Kazmirov's throat. He removed his glasses, slowly, very slowly, as if to prevent them from being spattered with blood.

"Ngbanda...why don't you introduce yourself?" Mobutu said, giving Kazmirov a genuinely warm smile.

The man's expression froze for the briefest of seconds, before being replaced by a sunny, excessively jolly grin. Beaming and chuckling, the man reached forward, super-friendly all of a sudden. "Ah, hello. I am Honoré Ngbanda. A pleasure to meet you."

Yet, as Ngbanda resumed his seat, the intense glare slowly returned to his eyes, even as he continued to flash his caricature of a smile.
Gauthic
21-01-2007, 08:42
Thin lipped, square jawed, a stern look if not for the mild smirk on his face, Gauthic's Prime was already seated in the main room, awaiting the others. Anthony Malcolm, dressed in black, the Gauthic chevron on the upper arm patches of his long coat.

He ran a hand through his short, bristly, fiery red hair as he stood, scratched his gotee, then straightend his black coat. The mild smirk turn to a polite smile as he folded his hands behind his back and turned to the newcomer's, giving a respectful bow as they entered. Surrounding Anthony Malcolm was his usual foreign delegation, a Gauthic Firing squad arrayed with brightly colord weapons in contrast to their black uniforms and hunter green gear, and formally or military uniformed members of the Bureau of External Affairs.
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 08:43
As always, there was a limo ready and waiting, the engine revved, when President Whitmore arrived. The ever-present servants dutifully opened the doors for him, with boyish smiles as they did so. Soon, the limo took off.
Newer Kiwiland
21-01-2007, 08:44
All six members of Kiwiland's representation filed into the limousine, and enjoys the journey to the conference hall. As they approached, the Deputy Minister looked around in wonder.

"Am I the only one who thinks the conference hall is ironic, considering the theme of the conference?"

"I suppose they don't want to appear stingy, sir," one of the bodyguards replied.
Gashgalgabrad
21-01-2007, 08:45
Taking a seat, Mobutu said, "Soon, soon. In the meantime...would you like anything to drink?"

While Mobutu seemed convivial and very friendly, the man sitting next to him had an icy glare that would have given even the most steel-spined man a chill. Behind his spectacles hovered two intense, predatory eyes, burning with hate and wrath. The man focused his gaze on Kazmirov, with a glare that felt as if it could have burned through one's flesh. The eyes glimmered with pure, unadulterated enmity, as the man began to breathe a bit more rapidly, his pulse ticking away. For a moment, it seemed as if he would reach across the table and lunge for Kazmirov's throat. He removed his glasses, slowly, very slowly, as if to prevent them from being spattered with blood.

"Ngbanda...why don't you introduce yourself?" Mobutu said, giving Kazmirov a genuinely warm smile.

The man's expression froze for the briefest of seconds, before being replaced by a sunny, excessively jolly grin. Beaming and chuckling, the man reached forward, super-friendly all of a sudden. "Ah, hello. I am Honoré Ngbanda. A pleasure to meet you."

Yet, as Ngbanda resumed his seat, the intense glare slowly returned to his eyes, even as he continued to flash his caricature of a smile.


Kazmirov's guards steped closer to him slightly lifting there shotguns to show they mean bussness when it come to protecting Kazmirov.

"I will go and sit down at my part of table now, Thank you Mobutu" Mobutu said
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 08:45
"Excuse me, it seems we have another guest," Mobutu said to Kazmirov. "Hello, hello!" He stood, and walked over to greet Anthony Malcolm. As they exchanged greetings and pleasantries, an aide said, "Sir, Emperor Manuka II has just arrived.

"Excellent, please show His Majesty here, would you?"

"Yes, sir."
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 08:48
Kazmirov's guards steped closer to him slightly lifting there shotguns to show they mean bussness when it come to protecting Kazmirov.

"I will go and sit down at my table now, Thank you Mobutu" Mobutu said

Ngbanda ignored the guards, his eyes glued to Kazmirov's face. Though the two men had never previously met, Ngbanda already had an instant, vehement distaste for the Gashgalgabradian President, and imagining Kazmirov lying on the floor with his entrails seeping from his eviscerated stomach brought a smile to his face, and he giggled mischievously.
Gashgalgabrad
21-01-2007, 08:49
Kazmirov's group sat at there spot.

"I do not like where this is going" Kazmirov's guard's said in his ear.
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 08:51
"Mr. President," Mobutu said, motioning to Kazmirov, "you still did not say if you wanted something to drink." Without waiting for a reply, he poured himself a tall, frosty glass of Laurent Perrier pink champagne. Taking a sip, he asked the other guests if they wanted anything to drink.

Ngbanda suddenly stood. "Please. Excuse. Me." He said, through gritted teeth, and, without taking his eyes off Kazmirov, he left the room.
Gauthic
21-01-2007, 08:55
Malcolm shook Mobutu's hand, as well as gave a respectful bow. He let out a light chuckle, "Glad to see Zaire in such high standing. I must admit I feel under-dressed, or I would have worn a wolf pelt over my shoulder."

He meant it too, the one time wearing a wolf pelt would have been apropriate and he didnt bring it...
Gashgalgabrad
21-01-2007, 08:55
"I am fine thank you" Kazmirov said. "The man might be trying to poison me" He thought "Thats why he left the room"
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 08:56
Malcolm shook Mobutu's hand, as well as gave a respectful bow. He let out a light chuckle, "Glad to see Zaire in such high standing. I must admit I feel under-dressed, or I would have worn a wolf pelt over my shoulder."

He meant it too, the one time wearing a wolf pelt would have been apropriate and he didnt bring it...

Mobutu chuckled heartily. "Thank you, thank you. Would you care for something to drink?"
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 08:56
"I am fine thank you" Kazmirov said. "The man might be trying to poison me" He thought "Thats why he left the room"

Mobutu smiled. "Very well. My servants are here, if you change your mind." He looked around. "Oh? Where did Ngbanda go?"
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
21-01-2007, 08:59
President Whitmore walked into the room with his aids and his secret service staff who made sure to keep everyone at least 5 feet from the President unless the President ok'd them getting closer.

He was hoping to get some kind agreement on global warming and free trade at the conference.
Gashgalgabrad
21-01-2007, 08:59
"Right to hell" Kazmirov thoght "I have no idea" He said to Mobutu
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 09:01
Mobutu stood, and greeted both the President and the Emperor. "Gentlemen, welcome, thank you for coming. I am the President of Zaire, Marshal Mobutu Sese Seko Kuku Ngbendu Wa Za Banga. But you may simply call me President Mobutu, if you wish. Would you care for something to drink?" He cleared his throat. "It seems we're going to have quite a crowd...now, before the meeting begins, would anyone like to submit their ideas for what we shall discuss?"
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 09:02
{OOC: Jolt's doing the same thing to me. :(}
Gashgalgabrad
21-01-2007, 09:02
"I feel human rights and the faith of peaples should be on the list" Kazmirov said
Newer Kiwiland
21-01-2007, 09:03
OOC: jolt hates me and is teleporting my posts 10 minutes into the future...

IC:

The Emperor leads the entrouge into the conference hall.

"Hello!" he greets everyone at once. "Is everyone here yet?"

Meanwhile the Deputy Minister marvels at every aspect of the conference hall's extravagance, while muttering softly to himself. "I don't think I like the feeling..."
Gauthic
21-01-2007, 09:03
Mobutu chuckled heartily. "Thank you, thank you. Would you care for something to drink?"

The Prime nodded to the President and approached the bar, taking in a deep breath as he considered what to have, "Wouldn't happen to have cold rum, perhaps a rum and cola?" He asked.
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 09:04
"I feel human rights and the faith of peaples should be on the list" Kazmirov said

Mobutu's expression looked as if he had just eaten a very disgusting and disagreeable food. But it soon passed, and he quickly replied, with a smile, "I agree, those are very important issues," yet his eyes seemed to wander as he said it.
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 09:06
The Prime nodded to the President and approached the bar, taking in a deep breath as he considered what to have, "Wouldn't happen to have cold rum, perhaps a rum and cola?" He asked.

No sooner had the word "cola" escaped his lips, that a tall, ice cold glass of rum and cola appeared before him. The servant bowed. "Enjoy."
Gashgalgabrad
21-01-2007, 09:06
Mobutu's expression looked as if he had just eaten a very disgusting and disagreeable food. But it soon passed, and he quickly replied, with a smile, "I agree, those are very important issues," yet his eyes seemed to wander as he said it.


Kazmirov stroked his beard "Hmmmm... I wonder" He thought "What do you think Mobutu?" he said
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 09:07
Mobutu gave Julio a firm handshake. "Welcome to Zaire, Excellency, welcome." He introduced himself, then stepped back for the others to do the same.
[NS]ICCD-Intracircumcordei
21-01-2007, 09:07
"Hi, this message is to inform you that the Latin American States will be sending a representative to the meetings. Julio Lopez, a political science major and activist here in the LAS.

-State Department L.A.S.
OOC: Of course reception is assumed and as such

IC:

Julio was in Los Angeles prior to the quick appointment to representative of the LAS. A speaking tour in L.A. was being done among the hispanic communities, trying to convince professional latino's to return home to help with professional jobs. There was some support but many, especially latin doctors that Julio spoke with were saying that the pay rate is different and more could be done to help the latin cause where they were, but still Julio got a lot of support, espeically among the illegal alien communites, who thought gaurentied jobs at home may be better then running from INS in the US.

So Julio had a mostly uneventful trip, since getting his Masters he'd been touring and attempting to recruit and give information on the L.A.S. that was his job as part of the foreign arm of the LAS state department (or mensa estado)


Julio the 5'10 fairly fit man dressed in dress shorts, white open arm dress shirt with an id tag and hipsack/camera pouch dangling off his arm, found himself soon in the company of what might be world leaders. He was impressed very impressed on the treatment and what he saw as he entered the conference room.
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 09:09
Mobutu nodded at the Emperor's words. "Yes, I agree, I agree..." He turned to Kazmirov. With no conviction whatsoever, he replied with a wan smile, "Oh, yes, human rights...nothing is more important to me." He swallowed. "Nothing." He grinned meekly, and turned away.
Gashgalgabrad
21-01-2007, 09:11
Mobutu nodded at the Emperor's words. "Yes, I agree, I agree..." He turned to Kazmirov. With no conviction whatsoever, he replied with a wan smile, "Oh, yes, human rights...nothing is more important to me." He swallowed. "Nothing." He grinned meekly, and turned away.


"Scuzzy, I dont like him" Kazmirov said to his guards in Kyrgyz
Newer Kiwiland
21-01-2007, 09:11
The Emperor holds up his hand to declare, "My government believes that as important as human rights are, we the global community must work together to bring peace to this world."
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 09:13
"Scuzzy, I dont like him" Kazmirov said to his guards in Kyrgyz

Mobutu, having no idea what Kazmirov said, nodded happily. "I believe," he said, "national sovereignty is one thing we should definitely discuss."
Gauthic
21-01-2007, 09:14
No sooner had the word "cola" escaped his lips, that a tall, ice cold glass of rum and cola appeared before him. The servant bowed. "Enjoy."

The Prime saluted the servant quickly and then gave him a pat on the shoulder, "Thank you very much!" he said heartily. He regretted not being able to tip the man, then turned to president Mobutu and the others that were beginning to gather. "Hmm, did someone bring up the human rights issue... what seems to be the problem?"
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
21-01-2007, 09:14
President Whitmore took note of his surroundings and said, "It is the position of the United States that the single greatest problem facing all of us is global climate change and that many of our nation's respective problems can traced back to it. We must confront this by helping people to adapt to it.
I also submit that we can do this and combat terrorism by supporting anti poverty initiatives and through agreements such as the proposed Pan Pacific Free Trade Agreement. I hope there could be a similar agreement for the nations of Africa."
Gashgalgabrad
21-01-2007, 09:15
Mobutu, having no idea what Kazmirov said, nodded happily. "I believe," he said, "national sovereignty is one thing we should definitely discuss."

"Yes... that sounds good"
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 09:16
Mobutu frowned. "Free trade...that does not sound like it would be in Zaire's interests..." He glanced at his watch. "Where is Ngbanda?" he asked, again.
Gashgalgabrad
21-01-2007, 09:16
President Whitmore took note of his surroundings and said, "It is the position of the United States that the single greatest problem facing all of us is global climate change and that many of our nation's respective problems can traced back to it. We must confront this by helping people to adapt to it.
I also submit that we can do this and combat terrorism by supporting anti poverty initiatives and through agreements such as the proposed Pan Pacific Free Trade Agreement. I hope there could be a similar agreement for the nations of Africa."

"Free Trade? on whos terms?" Kazmirov asked
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 09:17
The Prime saluted the servant quickly and then gave him a pat on the shoulder, "Thank you very much!" he said heartily. He regretted not being able to tip the man, then turned to president Mobutu and the others that were beginning to gather. "Hmm, did someone bring up the human rights issue... what seems to be the problem?"

"There is no problem," Mobutu said, a bit more defensively than he intended. "But if the others wish to discuss it..." He shrugged his shoulders, gave a weary sigh. "I see no problem."
Newer Kiwiland
21-01-2007, 09:17
Bodyguard Alpha leaned towards the Emperor. "I think we ought to be more careful," his whispered. Beside him, the Deputy Minister Rohk nods an anxious agreement. "I keep feeling like there's catch somewhere."

Emperor Manuka coughs for them to be quiet.
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 09:19
President Whitmore took note of his surroundings and said, "It is the position of the United States that the single greatest problem facing all of us is global climate change and that many of our nation's respective problems can traced back to it. We must confront this by helping people to adapt to it.
I also submit that we can do this and combat terrorism by supporting anti poverty initiatives and through agreements such as the proposed Pan Pacific Free Trade Agreement. I hope there could be a similar agreement for the nations of Africa."

"Climate change? How do you propose we deal with that?" Mobutu asked, not sarcastically, but in an honestly curious manner.
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 09:19
Manuka agreed. "Free trade locks third world countries into a cycle of poverty. It only benefits the consumers in richer nations."

Mobutu rapped his knuckle on the table for emphasis. "Yes, yes! I agree completely!"
Gauthic
21-01-2007, 09:21
Anthony Malcolm recognized the name of the afforementioned PPFTA, and responded on that note, "The PPFTA has yet to be formally drafted, and the pacific nations are negotiating it's terms now. All nations that share a border with the pacific need a freer and protected trade system. As it stands, the corporations tend to do whatever, piracy and terrorism go unchecked, as a result trade is not gauranteed. Much of the trade between Asia and America is routed through europe, and the Brits in charge of eurasia recently declared they wished to weaken ties between themselves and America."
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 09:21
ICCD-Intracircumcordei;12234429']Julio soon found himself in the room after a breif nod, mostly going ignored when he was escorted into the room by site staff.


Ear bud in place connected to a cell phone - (assuming there were local cellular services) everything being said was going striaght to the man on top the Presidente Adrian Pena.


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"Human rights are very importent. We should insure that political prisoners are exchanged amongst us so that we can trade the ones we don't like amongst ourselves so it is more bearable for everyone. Perhaps we can establish a quota." He says this with a remarkably thick foreign spanish accent, in a sense that seems to have Hombre, attached to the end of everything he says.

"Or in leua of this perhaps we can make more laws to crimnalize more things to remove the guise of political actions to infringe human rights. "

"If none of this is satisfactory perhaps we can make a list of prohibited activites and impose sanctions against anyone that doesn't follow the plotline."

Mobutu scowled. "That would be an unacceptable affront to national sovereignty. Zaire would not participate."
Newer Kiwiland
21-01-2007, 09:22
"Free Trade? on whos terms?" Kazmirov asked

Manuka agreed. "Free trade locks third world countries into a cycle of poverty. It only benefits the consumers in richer nations."
[NS]ICCD-Intracircumcordei
21-01-2007, 09:24
Julio soon found himself in the room after a breif nod, mostly going ignored when he was escorted into the room by site staff.


Ear bud in place connected to a cell phone - (assuming there were local cellular services) everything being said was going striaght to the man on top the Presidente Adrian Pena.


-------------------------

"Human rights are very importent. We should insure that political prisoners are exchanged amongst us so that we can trade the ones we don't like amongst ourselves so it is more bearable for everyone. Perhaps we can establish a quota." He says this with a remarkably thick foreign spanish accent, in a sense that seems to have Hombre, attached to the end of everything he says.

"Or in leua of this perhaps we can make more laws to crimnalize more things to remove the guise of political actions that infringe human rights. "

"If none of this is satisfactory perhaps we can make a list of prohibited activites and impose sanctions against anyone that doesn't follow the plotline."
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
21-01-2007, 09:24
I propose that future free trade agreements be balanced with the participating nations being equal partners. The agreements of the past were too heavily weighted in favor of corporations and required some nations to give up portions of their soverignty. I support free trade that balances takes into account national soveriengty, workers rights, and potential environmental impact. Nations need to be free to protect their people's safety afterall.
Gashgalgabrad
21-01-2007, 09:25
I propose that future free trade agreements be balanced with the participating nations being equal partners. The agreements of the past were too heavily weighted in favor of corporations and required some nations to give up portions of their soverignty. I support free trade that balances takes into account national soveriengty, workers rights, and potential environmental impact. Nations need to be free to protect their people's safety afterall.

"Is that not what is ALWAYS said when free trade is preposed? This will be diffrent then last time, its like a broken recored"
Gauthic
21-01-2007, 09:26
"Climate change? How do you propose we deal with that?" Mobutu asked, not sarcastically, but in an honestly curious manner.

"On the subject of global warming, I do not a gree such a problem exists. Gauthic has sided with Eurasia on this stance and shall take no actions. Our official stance is formally drafted, written, and passed." He said simply and curtly, hoping to get the subject onto trade and sovereignty, and nothing else.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
21-01-2007, 09:27
Manuka agreed. "Free trade locks third world countries into a cycle of poverty. It only benefits the consumers in richer nations."

Whitmore demurred. "The free trade deals of the past have done that and caused problems in those nations. That is why they failed. What works in one nation won't necessarily work in another nation. Nations must have wiggle room to find out what works for them and any agreement must take that into account. The United States, under my administration, is a strong supporter of national soveriegnty rights. We don't have the resources to be everyone's policeman. But we are willing to help those who ask for our help."
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
21-01-2007, 09:29
"Is that not what is ALWAYS said when free trade is preposed? This will be diffrent then last time, its like a broken recored"

"I understand where you are coming from, that is why I believe that free trade agreements should come with neutral committees to ensure that they do not unnecessarily result in further impoverishment or undue violation of sovereignty."
[NS]ICCD-Intracircumcordei
21-01-2007, 09:29
"Climate change? How do you propose we deal with that?" Mobutu asked, not sarcastically, but in an honestly curious manner.

The LAS suggests that we all follow eco bonds. Depending on how much forests and other carbon sequesters we have, we should be allowed to produce so many emissions. Countries that produce allot can buy countries with excess bonds bonds from them.
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 09:30
ICCD-Intracircumcordei;12234443']The LAS suggests that we all follow eco bonds. Depending on how much forests and other carbon sequesters we have, we should be allowed to produce so many emissions. Countries that produce allot can buy countries with excess bonds bonds from them.

Mobutu nodded. "Interesting. Do go on."
Gauthic
21-01-2007, 09:31
"Is that not what is ALWAYS said when free trade is preposed? This will be diffrent then last time, its like a broken recored"

"It has to be. With people like you to remind us of mistakes in the past, it should go much smoother. Perhaps the term "free trade" is the problem, and not the plan itself. What we are proposing is "balanced trade"." He said, glad to be one of the pacific nations. OH! and quickly mentions what he is thinking, "My nation is one of the central powers in the pacific and will be the most impacted by this. I would appreciate having the more say as many ships and planes will be passing through and over my nations for this to work."
[NS]ICCD-Intracircumcordei
21-01-2007, 09:31
Mobutu scowled. "That would be an unacceptable affront to national sovereignty. Zaire would not participate."

"I'm not sure if that is unfortunate or not, but we are wonderng what you'll be doing with your political prisoners? "


"Perhaps you don't have any, the L.A.S. certainly does not. What about you Mr. President?" This question directed at the President of the United states, should he have arived, or atleast the american flag should it have been at the table. "I'm geussing you don't have any at home but do you have any in the L.A.S. you'd be willing to trade?"
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 09:32
ICCD-Intracircumcordei;12234452']"I'm not sure if that is unfortunate or not, but we are wonderng what you'll be doing with your political prisoners? "


"Perhaps you don't have any, the L.A.S. certainly does not. What about you Mr. President?" This question directed at the President of the United states, should he have arived, or atleast the american flag should it have been at the table. "I'm geussing you don't have any at home but do you have any in the L.A.S. you'd be willing to trade?"

"Zaire has no political prisoners," Mobutu said convincingly, with the adroitness of a professional liar. "If you can name one political prisoner in Zaire - just one - I shall resign the presidency."
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
21-01-2007, 09:34
The United States does not have a policy of imprisoning people for their political views. Such things contradict our values.
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 09:35
The United States does not have a policy of imprisoning people for their political views. Such things contradict our values.

"Likewise," Mobutu said.
Gauthic
21-01-2007, 09:36
"Zaire has no political prisoners," Mobutu said convincingly, with the adroitness of a professional liar. "If you can name one political prisoner in Zaire - just one - I shall resign the presidency."

Prime, Anthony Malcolm, points to the members of the Bureau of External Affairs, "You heard the man, get on wikipedia and find the name of that prisoner." he ordered. Several of them got out their PDAs and began searching.
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 09:38
Mobutu could feel his blood pressure rising with rage, yet he kept calm. Smiling at Malcolm, he said, "Good luck with your search. It will not come up with anything."
[NS]ICCD-Intracircumcordei
21-01-2007, 09:40
Mobutu nodded. "Interesting. Do go on."

"Well that is basically it..

well set a tree to emissions layer foilage etc.. can count as trees in some circumstances.


The bonds can be bought like on the stock market and are good for a number of years.

This is interesting stuff" He smiles. His white teeth gleeming in a wide hispanic smile. that deserved to have a gleeming sound soundtrack playing, caught in the moment of the smile.
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 09:41
ICCD-Intracircumcordei;12234469']"Well that is basically it..

well set a tree to emissions layer foilage etc.. can count as trees in some circumstances.


The bonds can be bought like on the stock market and are good for a number of years.

This is interesting stuff" He smiles. His white teeth gleeming in a wide hispanic smile. that deserved to have a gleeming sound soundtrack playing, caught in the moment of the smile.

"I see. Thank you for explaining," Mobutu said, and turning to an aide, he asked, "Do you have all that written down?"

"Wh- oh! No, Excellency, I'm sorry, I didn't-"

Mobutu made eye contact with one of the DSP soldiers, and gave a very tiny nod.

The soldier said to the aide, "Sir, would you please step outside for a moment?"

Not knowing what to expect, the aide eagerly complied. "Certainly."

In a basement deep below the conference hall, the aide screamed in agony for help, his voice reverberating in the soundproof room, as he was horrifically beaten and tortured, but none could hear his cries.

As this was going on, Mobutu poured himself another glass of champagne.
Gauthic
21-01-2007, 09:43
Mobutu could feel his blood pressure rising with rage, yet he kept calm. Smiling at Malcolm, he said, "Good luck with your search. It will not come up with anything."

Anthony Malcolm laughed, then took a gulp of his drink before looking to President Mobutu, "I am sure they won't. I doubt they will find the name of any prisoner, really, but you have to admit you did set that up. Be more careful with the dares." "Anyway, on the policies of free trade, free trade both threatens and promises blessing to my nation, it's a delicate situation. The PPFTA must be simply stated and followed."
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 09:44
To humor his guest, Mobutu also laughed. "Yes, yes, I suppose I should," he said.
Newer Kiwiland
21-01-2007, 09:47
"I see. Thank you for explaining," Mobutu said, and turning to an aide, he asked, "Do you have all that written down?"

"Wh- oh! No, Excellency, I'm sorry, I didn't-"

Mobutu made eye contact with one of the DSP soldiers, and gave a very tiny nod.

The soldier said to the aide, "Sir, would you please step outside for a moment?"

Not knowing what to expect, the aide eagerly complied. "Certainly."

In a basement deep below the conference hall, the aide screamed in agony for help, his voice reverberating in the soundproof room, as he was horrifically beaten and tortured, but none could hear his cries.

As this was going on, Mobutu poured himself another glass of champagne.

"Did you see that?" Minister Rohk whispered to the Emperor and the bodyguards in horror. "I fear for that aide's life!"

Emperor Manuka silenced him with a wave of the hand, and declared, "We should try tackling an issue first, before everyone begins going off in their own directions."
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 09:58
Ngbanda finally returned, smiling broadly. "Ah, that was...refreshing," he said.
Gauthic
21-01-2007, 10:00
Administrator Dreff Torsten of the Bureau of External Affairs approached Anthony Malcolm and President Mobutu, a weak smile on his middle aged face, "Good news, not a single political prisoner has been in Zaire since before Mobutu took power. The closest thing to a political prisoner is the Hutu terrorists that came here to hunt Tutsie refugees." The Administrator said simply, handing the PDA with the relevant information to Anthony Malcolm. Anthony Malcolm looked it over and smiled, "Hey, there's a picture of you in here from 1968, you look good."
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
21-01-2007, 10:03
"On the subject of the environment, I concur with my colleague from the Latin American states but we must do more.
My administration offers to share clean energies and green technology with any nation that asks for it. I have also prepared a committment of $50 billion to help fund an international taskforce to research ways we can do something to combat climate change on a global scale. In addition, Congress has earmarked $800 million in foriegn aid to help nations cope with climate change and the problems it is causing their people's."
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 10:07
Mobutu glanced at the picture, blushed. "I am flattered," he said.
[NS]ICCD-Intracircumcordei
21-01-2007, 10:09
What about third world debt? Or debt releif for heavily indebted poor nations?

What is everyones take on this?
Newer Kiwiland
21-01-2007, 10:10
"On the subject of the environment, I concur with my colleague from the Latin American states but we must do more.
My administration offers to share clean energies and green technology with any nation that asks for it. I have also prepared a committment of $50 billion to help fund an international taskforce to research ways we can do something to combat climate change on a global scale. In addition, Congress has earmarked $800 million in foriegn aid to help nations cope with climate change and the problems it is causing their people's."


Emperor Manuka enthusiastically supports the USA. "We are also very concered with the environment. It is rare to see states act so selflessly, and we are eager to accept any clean energy and green technology that your government is willing to offer."
Gauthic
21-01-2007, 10:10
"On the subject of the environment, I concur with my colleague from the Latin American states but we must do more.
My administration offers to share clean energies and green technology with any nation that asks for it. I have also prepared a committment of $50 billion to help fund an international taskforce to research ways we can do something to combat climate change on a global scale. In addition, Congress has earmarked $800 million in foriegn aid to help nations cope with climate change and the problems it is causing their people's."

ooc: did you catch my statements on pages 2, 3, and 4 about global warming and the PPFTA?
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
21-01-2007, 10:11
Approaching President Mobuto whispered "My government has prepared $40 million in aid for your nation but our Congress has attached strings to it. Hence the reason why I'm not bringing it up. They feel you're not freindly to the cause of human rights. But I believe we have bigger problems in common that go beyond one or two people. The aid was intended to help your government preserve parts of its rain forest. Unfortunately, in my country, Congress controls the purse strings."
Newer Kiwiland
21-01-2007, 10:13
ICCD-Intracircumcordei;12234527']What about third world debt? Or debt releif for heavily indebted poor nations?

What is everyones take on this?

"My government believes that if richer governments band together to hand out aids, it will only serve to become another form of colonialism. I therefore propose that we delay interest payment for all states that is heavily in debt, until such time as those countries develop an effective economy."
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
21-01-2007, 10:13
ICCD-Intracircumcordei;12234527']What about third world debt? Or debt releif for heavily indebted poor nations?

What is everyones take on this?

"When I return, I will be asking Congress to forgive the debts of almost all impoverished third world nations. This will cover all nations with debts to the United States except those engaged in supporting terrorism or the persecution and torture of their own people."
[NS]ICCD-Intracircumcordei
21-01-2007, 10:13
"On the subject of the environment, I concur with my colleague from the Latin American states but we must do more.
My administration offers to share clean energies and green technology with any nation that asks for it. I have also prepared a committment of $50 billion to help fund an international taskforce to research ways we can do something to combat climate change on a global scale. In addition, Congress has earmarked $800 million in foriegn aid to help nations cope with climate change and the problems it is causing their people's."

Mr. President, that is a wonderful step. We are interested in aquiring all your green technologies and getting help in implementing them in our factories and other industrial sites, any help will help. We can also use funding to prevent deforistation in our localities. We thankyou for your genorsity. Do you think stoping deforistation and refitting our ditry factories will help prevent damage to the environment. How much of that 800 million do you think we could granted from you? Also we would be willing to supply some researchers to coolaborate with your reserach project, perhaps as field researchers within the the L.A.S.
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 10:13
ICCD-Intracircumcordei;12234527']What about third world debt? Or debt releif for heavily indebted poor nations?

What is everyones take on this?

"Debt relief for heavily indebted poor nations is crucial for the survival of the Third World," Mobutu said. "Far too much of poor countries' budgets is spent repaying debt, when it could be spent on schools, hospitals, roads, and more. The burden of having to repay such massive debt hinders our progress as nations."
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 10:15
Approaching President Mobuto whispered "My government has prepared $40 million in aid for your nation but our Congress has attached strings to it. Hence the reason why I'm not bringing it up. They feel you're not freindly to the cause of human rights. But I believe we have bigger problems in common that go beyond one or two people. The aid was intended to help your government preserve parts of its rain forest. Unfortunately, in my country, Congress controls the purse strings."

Mobutu smiled. "Yes, that is understandable...I do understand, yes. Thank you. But pleasure assure them that any stories they may hear regarding human rights in Zaire are pure fiction."
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
21-01-2007, 10:15
ooc: did you catch my statements on pages 2, 3, and 4 about global warming and the PPFTA?

OOC: I caught it. We'll just assume its one of those things where countries can disagree and still be allies. A disagreement here won't harm either nation, their relationship or the rp, I don't think.
[NS]ICCD-Intracircumcordei
21-01-2007, 10:16
"When I return, I will be asking Congress to forgive the debts of almost all impoverished third world nations. This will cover all nations with debts to the United States except those engaged in supporting terrorism or the persecution and torture of their own people."

Mr. President, I'm a little curious as to which countries specifically apply to debt releif in those conditions?
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 10:18
"My government believes that if richer governments band together to hand out aids, it will only serve to become another form of colonialism. I therefore propose that we delay interest payment for all states that is heavily in debt, until such time as those countries develop an effective economy."

Mobutu nodded thoughtfully. "The legacy of colonialism is an odious one. It is a legacy of repression, savagery, tyranny, slavery, and tears. No form of it will ever haunt Zaire as long as I remain President. I second your proposition."
Gauthic
21-01-2007, 10:18
OOC: I caught it. We'll just assume its one of those things where countries can disagree and still be allies. A disagreement here won't harm either nation, their relationship or the rp, I don't think.

ooc: of course... but there has yet to be a response to it except for these OOC lines. And on the subject of the PPFTA we seem to agree entirely.
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 10:18
ICCD-Intracircumcordei;12234541']Mr. President, I'm a little curious as to which countries specifically apply to debt releif in those conditions?

"I am curious, as well."
Newer Kiwiland
21-01-2007, 10:21
"I am curious, as well."

"Mr President, I hope your Congress is wise enough to be beyond using the lure of money as a barganing chip when negotiating with those third world countries?"
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
21-01-2007, 10:22
"My administration is still working with Congressional leaders on the legislation. But Latin America, Africa, and Asia can expect some aid from the American people."
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
21-01-2007, 10:24
ICCD-Intracircumcordei;12234541']Mr. President, I'm a little curious as to which countries specifically apply to debt releif in those conditions?

"The State Department is working high ranking members of the Congressional leadership and House and Senate Foreign Affairs committees to come up with a list of nations that would be eligible for debt forgiveness."
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 10:25
"My administration is still working with Congressional leaders on the legislation. But Latin America, Africa, and Asia can expect some aid from the American people."

Mobutu smiled at that. "That would be most beneficial."
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
21-01-2007, 10:26
Mobutu nodded thoughtfully. "The legacy of colonialism is an odious one. It is a legacy of repression, savagery, tyranny, slavery, and tears. No form of it will ever haunt Zaire as long as I remain President. I second your proposition."

"My administration hopes that by forgiving some nation's debts, we will be freeing them from the cycle of corporate colonialism and empowering to take control of their own futures."
Newer Kiwiland
21-01-2007, 10:26
"The State Department is working high ranking members of the Congressional leadership and House and Senate Foreign Affairs committees to come up with a list of nations that would be eligible for debt forgiveness."

Minister Rohk eyes the President suspiciously, getting increasinly on the Emperor 's nerves.
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 10:28
"My administration hopes that by forgiving some nation's debts, we will be freeing them from the cycle of corporate colonialism and empowering to take control of their own futures."

Mobutu's smile widened. Patting the President's hand, he said, "You are a good man. A real friend of Africa. If only more people shared your humanitarian concern."
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
21-01-2007, 10:28
ooc: of course... but there has yet to be a response to it except for these OOC lines. And on the subject of the PPFTA we seem to agree entirely.

OOC: good point. Is it just me or is there some kind of weird warping going on?


IC: "The American people recognize that friends can have disagreements and still be friends and engage in joint projects on other issues. I look forward to working with you and Prospera to develop the PPFTA."
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 10:30
OOC: good point. Is it just me or is there some kind of weird warping going on?

{OOC: Nope, it's not just you. Jolt's been doing that lately.}
[NS]ICCD-Intracircumcordei
21-01-2007, 10:30
"My administration is still working with Congressional leaders on the legislation. But Latin America, Africa, and Asia can expect some aid from the American people."

that is good news, El Presidente is very pleased with the news, he reminds me to not bring up nationalization of foreign enterprise.

l.A.S. if wondering if any other countries would be interested in establishing a common ''world' coinage. The coinage would be made of the same materials and be the same weight etc.. such as silver bullion or 1/4 bullions etc. but have different stampings The material value would be a 'low' value for the coinage, preventing inflation beyond material value, and a secondary could be attached to our specific dollar trading values etc.. for a high trading value number?

I think this would go a long way in helping stablaize the world economy, and use up a bunch of those bank hoards of gold and other bars and bullion, that could see better use in circulation
Newer Kiwiland
21-01-2007, 10:31
OOC: good point. Is it just me or is there some kind of weird warping going on?

OOC: Jolt has broken the laws of relativity. ;)
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
21-01-2007, 10:34
"My administration would understand if your people's were suspicious of my government's motives in undertaking our new policies. After all, relations between Russia, certain asian countries, and the United States haven't always been friendly nor have our aid policies always treated our counterparts like equals. America has in the past engaged in forked tongue diplomacy."
Gauthic
21-01-2007, 10:35
OOC: good point. Is it just me or is there some kind of weird warping going on?


IC: "The American people recognize that friends can have disagreements and still be friends and engage in joint projects on other issues. I look forward to working with you and Prospera to develop the PPFTA."

ooc: Multi-server time lag. Jolt wont synchronize it's servers and has them about 10 minutes apart.

IC:

"Mister Whitmore, I urge you not to pursue the global warming issue. I can't stop you, but it is up to you..." Malcolm stated solemenly, then sighed as he tried to pick up his demeanor and smile as he went to the next point, "On the subject of the PPFTA, formal points do need to be drafted for it. I am solidifying relations with Prospera, and you assistance in freeing trade across the pacific would be most appreciated."
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 10:36
"Speaking of Russia...as you know, Zaire was among your most loyal and dependable supporters during the Cold War, and was and remains a country friendly to the Western world," Mobutu said.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
21-01-2007, 10:37
ICCD-Intracircumcordei;12234575']that is good news, El Presidente is very pleased with the news, he reminds me to not bring up nationalization of foreign enterprise.

l.A.S. if wondering if any other countries would be interested in establishing a common ''world' coinage. The coinage would be made of the same materials and be the same weight etc.. such as silver bullion or 1/4 bullions etc. but have different stampings The material value would be a 'low' value for the coinage, preventing inflation beyond material value, and a secondary could be attached to our specific dollar trading values etc.. for a high trading value number?

I think this would go a long way in helping stablaize the world economy, and use up a bunch of those bank hoards of gold and other bars and bullion, that could see better use in circulation
"The United States opposes the adoption of a world currency. We believe it would harm the world economy. We need seperate currencies that trade against each on the global markets so as to keep international trade flowing."
Newer Kiwiland
21-01-2007, 10:39
ICCD-Intracircumcordei;12234575']that is good news, El Presidente is very pleased with the news, he reminds me to not bring up nationalization of foreign enterprise.

l.A.S. if wondering if any other countries would be interested in establishing a common ''world' coinage. The coinage would be made of the same materials and be the same weight etc.. such as silver bullion or 1/4 bullions etc. but have different stampings The material value would be a 'low' value for the coinage, preventing inflation beyond material value, and a secondary could be attached to our specific dollar trading values etc.. for a high trading value number?

I think this would go a long way in helping stablaize the world economy, and use up a bunch of those bank hoards of gold and other bars and bullion, that could see better use in circulation

"Kiwiland finds this proposal to be interesting, but agrees with America. We shall also point out that it would become rather difficult to control such a coinage. In addition, while a unified coinage may perhaps encourage trade it doesn't seem critical where nations that are far apart are concerned."
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 10:39
"The United States opposes the adoption of a world currency. We believe it would harm the world economy. We need seperate currencies that trade against each on the global markets so as to keep international trade flowing."

"Zaire has the same reservations. A world currency would, in addition to the reasons President Whitmore stated, start a dangerous trend by encroaching upon national sovereignty."
Gauthic
21-01-2007, 10:42
"The United States opposes the adoption of a world currency. We believe it would harm the world economy. We need seperate currencies that trade against each on the global markets so as to keep international trade flowing."

"I agree on this issue of a world currency. Even when all nations used the same weighted metals for coinage, the state of differing nations' economies affected currency trade anyway. It would be impossible to implement this, and it would not be wise. Unique currencies for each economy are the best way to maintain balanced trade."
[NS]ICCD-Intracircumcordei
21-01-2007, 10:44
"My administration would understand if your people's were suspicious of my government's motives in undertaking our new policies. After all, relations between Russia, certain asian countries, and the United States haven't always been friendly nor have our aid policies always treated our counterparts like equals. America has in the past engaged in forked tongue diplomacy."

Rest assured to any suspicious of america - she has always been there for us watching our people and waters making sure that we are safe at home, friendly to our leaders atleast 1/2 of their terms and having marines and rangers reader to save them when they fall out of favour, we never have to worry about them again. THe use is closer than uncle sam to us.. it is more like our big brother, el hermano mayor, el quién nos sostiene en lugar, puede dios ayudarnos.
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 10:44
"I agree on this issue of a world currency. Even when all nations used the same weighted metals for coinage, the state of differing nations' economies affected currency trade anyway. It would be impossible to implement this, and it would not be wise. Unique currencies for each economy are the best way to maintain balanced trade."

Mobutu nodded. "Well said. I agree."
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
21-01-2007, 10:47
"I agree on this issue of a world currency. Even when all nations used the same weighted metals for coinage, the state of differing nations' economies affected currency trade anyway. It would be impossible to implement this, and it would not be wise. Unique currencies for each economy are the best way to maintain balanced trade."

"I concur with your reasoning."
[NS]ICCD-Intracircumcordei
21-01-2007, 10:49
"The United States opposes the adoption of a world currency. We believe it would harm the world economy. We need seperate currencies that trade against each on the global markets so as to keep international trade flowing."


The currencies would still have a trade value, but their melt value would be held at thier real material value, upper float currency capacity would still be posible, but depreciation due to economic factors would hold the currency at it's melt value. Also trade without administrative overhead could be better managed. it would make for a much more secure global economy.

So there would be no harm to free floating currency values 0 would just be at melt - the same value of the material.. coins last longer as well, and make less sense to counterfit.
Newer Kiwiland
21-01-2007, 10:49
"While we are on the topic of trade, Kiwiland wishes to propose that the sovereign states represented here adopt a global system of balanced trade. That is to say, each state should export no more than it imports. An international committee can be set up to oversee trade in all participating nations, and regulate tarriffs or quotas on a monthly basis, based on the previous month's trade flow. This way, no country may be able to export or import excessively, but at the same time enjoy all the benefits of international trade.

"Of course," Emperor Manuka II looks around. "All countries should decide for themselves whether to participate in such a system, and if they do, what amount of trade are they willing do to."
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 10:51
"An excellent suggestion, one Zaire will certainly give consideration to," Mobutu said.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
21-01-2007, 10:53
"America believes that the free market is best equipped to deal with issues of currency value and trade balances."
[NS]ICCD-Intracircumcordei
21-01-2007, 10:55
This isn't a single world currency, just a common unit for minting. Our currencies would still hold seperate float values, but hold the same melt value.

The melt value itself would also fluctuate.
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 10:57
Mobutu's face registered confusion. "Please excuse me," he said, candidly, "but I never did understand economics much."
[NS]ICCD-Intracircumcordei
21-01-2007, 10:58
"While we are on the topic of trade, Kiwiland wishes to propose that the sovereign states represented here adopt a global system of balanced trade. That is to say, each state should export no more than it imports. An international committee can be set up to oversee trade in all participating nations, and regulate tarriffs or quotas on a monthly basis, based on the previous month's trade flow. This way, no country may be able to export or import excessively, but at the same time enjoy all the benefits of international trade.

"Of course," Emperor Manuka II looks around. "All countries should decide for themselves whether to participate in such a system, and if they do, what amount of trade are they willing do to."

This is an interesting idea, we'd be more keen on doing this with any country that adopts a standard weight and measure for trade.
Newer Kiwiland
21-01-2007, 10:58
"America believes that the free market is best equipped to deal with issues of currency value and trade balances."

"Kiwiland hopes to point out the fact that if some country runs trade surpluses, then others must most certainly run deficiets. Since it is almost near impossible for a country to maintain a balanced trade by sheer force of market forces, the only fair solution is by using international cooperation to ensure that all nations gets a fair share of the international trade pie."
Newer Kiwiland
21-01-2007, 11:00
ICCD-Intracircumcordei;12234622']This isn't a single world currency, just a common unit for minting. Our currencies would still hold seperate float values, but hold the same melt value.

The melt value itself would also fluctuate.

The Emperor looks at the Deputy Minister, who shrugs with a completely stoned face. "Err... very well, I must apologise and ask you to explain your idea to us again; I fear that much of what you said has been misunderstood in the exchange of ideas."
Gauthic
21-01-2007, 11:01
ICCD-Intracircumcordei;12234622']This isn't a single world currency, just a common unit for minting. Our currencies would still hold seperate float values, but hold the same melt value.

The melt value itself would also fluctuate.


"Ahh, the same system from before the legal notes became common. The problem with such a system, however, is the ease of money laundering and for the individual to be able to move money from country to country with such a system. As it stands now, If i move my dollar pound notes to another country, they cannot be used in that country until they are converted, in which case i must reveal that I moved them. Nations still trade raw materials instead of paper and coin currency, the legal notes are a security marker to prevent anyone and everyone from taking money, even stolen money, easily to somewhere they can hide it."
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
21-01-2007, 11:02
Mobutu's face registered confusion. "Please excuse me," he said, candidly, "but I never did understand economics much."

"You're in good company with many average Americans there."
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 11:08
"Ahh, the same system from before the legal notes became common. The problem with such a system, however, is the ease of money laundering and for the individual to be able to move money from country to country with such a system. As it stands now, If i move my dollar pound notes to another country, they cannot be used in that country until they are converted, in which case i must reveal that I moved them. Nations still trade raw materials instead of paper and coin currency, the legal notes are a security marker to prevent anyone and everyone from taking money, even stolen money, easily to somewhere they can hide it."

Mobutu raised an eyebrow at the words "stolen money," but few noticed. He continued sipping his champagne, pretending to listen carefully, as his mind wandered off. Economics had never been his thing, as the deleterious state of Zaire's economy testified, and he had never been interested in it much. Even so, he nodded at the appropriate times.
[NS]ICCD-Intracircumcordei
21-01-2007, 11:09
Mobutu's face registered confusion. "Please excuse me," he said, candidly, "but I never did understand economics much."

The basic concept would be that funds would hold to their material value rather than their artificial value. Any artificial value would be value added. That is money only holds the value it is given, usually traced back to some material assets of some sorts, sometimes not.

For instance the US currency use to be tied to the gold in the federal reserve, however the contract was voided and made irreverseble for exchange. The odd thing about standing us contract prior to voiding of the federal reserve act, was that the reserve agreement could be called, and the 1 billion gold returned to the bank backers of the reserve, with all excess reserve holdings being surrendered to the US tresury - this would cancle the US debt, and see the US gain tons of gold held in the reserve over the original 1 billion gold, of course this is extra information. The key is that there are basically no real currencies, instead it is tied to the purchasing power of the economy, but money can be created at whim with no real effects, except those that may effect other rates i.e. inflation and thus interest rate changes. Tieing currency to a metal, creates a closer to bartering system.

The main benifit is insuring no 'crashes' of a currency below the melt value. For instance if a country needed to reclaim some of it's funds , rather than only decirculate funds, they could also if need be melt or trade the currency at it's melt value. Trading paper currency the value is basically worthless, also paper wears down much faster.

We won't press the issue further but feel it is a huge step in removing currency issues. However we are considering implementing platinum gold and silver and other currency based on standard weight and measures, and removing our old currencies. Trade would need to be done in bullions or a common reduced currency.
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 11:10
"You're in good company with many average Americans there."

Mobutu nearly toppled out of his chair he was laughing so hard. "Please excuse me," he said, looking embarrassed, "but that just struck me as humorous." Clearing his throat, he resumed his seat. "I apologize."
Gauthic
21-01-2007, 11:13
Mobutu's face registered confusion. "Please excuse me," he said, candidly, "but I never did understand economics much."

Anthony Malcolm pulled up a chair and sat, slouching a bit unknowingly as he hadn't realized how much discussing the fate of millions could wear somebody out. In any case, he turned to Mobutu with a soft smile, "Sir, if you would like, I could send a Moderator from the Bureau of Economics in my nation to act as an economic advisor for a time. They might be of assistance."
[NS]ICCD-Intracircumcordei
21-01-2007, 11:14
The comments on false markings is also not an issue not only can each mint have it's own national stampings but special security devices can be placed inside the minting. Making it virtually worthless to counterfit... but as stated the issue won't be pressed.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
21-01-2007, 11:18
ICCD-Intracircumcordei;12234646']The basic concept would be that funds would hold to their material value rather than their artificial value. Any artificial value would be value added. That is money only holds the value it is given, usually traced back to some material assets of some sorts, sometimes not.

For instance the US currency use to be tied to the gold in the federal reserve, however the contract was voided and made irreverseble for exchange. The odd thing about standing us contract prior to voiding of the federal reserve act, was that the reserve agreement could be called, and the 1 billion gold returned to the bank backers of the reserve, with all excess reserve holdings being surrendered to the US tresury - this would cancle the US debt, and see the US gain tons of gold held in the reserve over the original 1 billion gold, of course this is extra information. The key is that there are basically no real currencies, instead it is tied to the purchasing power of the economy, but money can be created at whim with no real effects, except those that may effect other rates i.e. inflation and thus interest rate changes. Tieing currency to a metal, creates a closer to bartering system.

The main benifit is insuring no 'crashes' of a currency below the melt value. For instance if a country needed to reclaim some of it's funds , rather than only decirculate funds, they could also if need be melt or trade the currency at it's melt value. Trading paper currency the value is basically worthless, also paper wears down much faster.

We won't press the issue further but feel it is a huge step in removing currency issues. However we are considering implementing platinum gold and silver and other currency based on standard weight and measures, and removing our old currencies. Trade would need to be done in bullions or a common reduced currency.
While I disagree with the concept of a common currency I concur with the problem of paper currencies. In addition, paper requires the destruction of vast amounts of forested areas and can indirectly contribute to global warming. I will have the commerce department study the feasability of switching to a nonpaper currency when I return to the White House.
Gauthic
21-01-2007, 11:19
ICCD-Intracircumcordei;12234654']The comments on false markings is also not an issue not only can each mint have it's own national stampings but special security devices can be placed inside the minting. Making it virtually worthless to counterfit... but as stated the issue won't be pressed.

Anthony chuckled and shook his head, "Go ahead and press, you make a valid point." He then sat up a bit more and took a sip of the rum and cola, before replying, "The problem with the universal minting and the unique coinage with security devices is that we already have such a system by having unique currencies. Where the problem lies is with countrie's like the States of America, who don't have their currency attached to a metal standard any longer. If they would attach to the silver and/or gold standard, then we'd have the common system we need."
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
21-01-2007, 11:23
Anthony chuckled and shook his head, "Go ahead and press, you make a valid point." He then sat up a bit more and took a sip of the rum and cola, before replying, "The problem with the universal minting and the unique coinage with security devices is that we already have such a system by having unique currencies. Where the problem lies is with countrie's like the States of America, who don't have their currency attached to a metal standard any longer. If they would attach to the silver and/or gold standard, then we'd have the common system we need."

President Whitmore, a noneconomist, replied "That would be something worth having the Commerce department and the Congress look at."
St hilarion
21-01-2007, 11:23
The Empire wishes to apologise that we do not have an ambassador present at the conference, as we have certain pressing matters to see to within our own borders. The Emperor has requested to be informed of all matters discussed though, as he has very.. specific views on these sorts of issues.

Signed,
Samuel Barry, Minister for Foreign Affairs

On Behalf Of His Majesty,
Emperor Saint Hilarion XI
Gauthic
21-01-2007, 11:25
While I disagree with the concept of a common currency I concur with the problem of paper currencies. In addition, paper requires the destruction of vast amounts of forested areas and can indirectly contribute to global warming. I will have the commerce department study the feasability of switching to a nonpaper currency when I return to the White House.

"American currency is printed on cotton. As well as several other nation's currencies."
Newer Kiwiland
21-01-2007, 11:29
"Perhaps we could take a look at the possibility of using polymer bank notes..." Emperor Manuka suggests. "As I understand it my nation uses them, although of course I've never really paid attention to it. I do belive it is more maintainable, though."

Behind him, a bodyguard takes out his wallet to confirm the notes' material.
Congo--Kinshasa
21-01-2007, 11:35
Anthony Malcolm pulled up a chair and sat, slouching a bit unknowingly as he hadn't realized how much discussing the fate of millions could wear somebody out. In any case, he turned to Mobutu with a soft smile, "Sir, if you would like, I could send a Moderator from the Bureau of Economics in my nation to act as an economic advisor for a time. They might be of assistance."

"Yes, I would appreciate that. Thank you."

{OOC: I'm off to bed. I'll be back to post tomorrow - er, later today, I mean. :p (It's 4:35 A.M. here)}
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
21-01-2007, 11:59
ooc: apparently a lot of nations use the US dollar as their currency. I need to know what LAS', Propera's and Gauthic's currencies are since El Salvador, Ecuador, Panama, the Turks and Caicos, the Marshall Islands, Palau, Micronesia, and East Timor use the US dollar as their official currency in rl.

I'll be gone till later today. 3 am here.
Prosperas
21-01-2007, 12:51
A white Boeing 737 touched down at the international airport in Gbadolite. Prime Minister Chris Benedict was met on the tarmac by the Prosperan ambassador to Zaire and a row of black limousines, each with the Zairian and Prosperan flags fluttering from their bonnets. Benedict and his entourage got into the waiting cars and drove off towards the conference.

OOC: Prosperas's currency is the Prosperan Dolphin. We could just all use US currency for simplicity's sake though, if everyone likes.
Gauthic
21-01-2007, 14:04
A white Boeing 737 touched down at the international airport in Gbadolite. Prime Minister Chris Benedict was met on the tarmac by the Prosperan ambassador to Zaire and a row of black limousines, each with the Zairian and Prosperan flags fluttering from their bonnets. Benedict and his entourage got into the waiting cars and drove off towards the conference.

OOC: Prosperas's currency is the Prosperan Dolphin. We could just all use US currency for simplicity's sake though, if everyone likes.


ooc: That is an IC discussion we are having.
No Taxes
21-01-2007, 15:47
Foreign Minister Filipe Marcio stepped out of the plane in Gbadolite. He knew that he was several hours late to the meeting, but he couldn't help the fact that the meeting had been called at 1 AM by Brazil time. Even so he hurried off to a limo, which carried him off to the conference. Once there he took a seat at the table and looked around at the other representatives measuring them up and trying to catch up on what he had missed.
H-Town Tejas
21-01-2007, 17:14
A red and yellow Il-86 touched down at Gbadolite's international airport. The yellow outline of a star, the UASR's air force roundel, decorated its wings. For any Zairean who had seen any of the few UASR flights into Gbadolite (hell, this had probably been the first coming from the country), they would know that this plane was different from the much more low-key planes that made up the civilian airline of the country. And it was different. It held the most powerful person in the United Arab Socialist Republic, who was currently exiting the plane.
Lamya al-Badr was not the kind of person you would expect to be the Premier of the UASR. At 31 years old (she had held the position for six years), al-Badr was the youngest Premier the country had ever had. Then again, the country had only had three Premiers in its entire history, counting her. And, as many members of the Socialist Worker's Party of Arabia and Kurdistan that there were, she was honored to have been picked.
al-Badr didn't look like some crusty old SWPAK official who had lived in Baghdad's politics her entire life, which she wasn't. She had long, black hair, brown eyes, which were covered with a pair of small, black-framed glasses, thick, full lips, and...well, we'll leave it at some other things that could be described as "thick" and "full." You probably would have hit on her, had she not 1. been the premier of the UASR and 2. had another woman on her arm. While most people in the UASR just called al-Badr's lesbianism "a waste of ass," most fundamentalist Imams outside of the country called it a fatwa for her assassination. In six years in office, there had already been four attempts on her life. Fun, huh?
Just like the sandstorm that had delayed her flight out from Baghdad. Now, she was totally late for this little conference. Walking out with her current lover, an Iranian refugee named Shahrzad Tehrani, she got into the limo that the Zairean DSP had to transport the world leaders.
al-Badr looked up at the building that Mobutu had for the leaders. It was horribly grandiose.
"Disgusting," she said to Shahrzad in Farsi, "He lives in a starving country, and he's spending money on this shit? What the hell is their HDI..."
The Premier walked into the hall. Still disgustingly grandiose. Where the hell did Mobutu think he was? Monaco?
al-Badr took her seat at the conference, ordering a Hpnotiq from a server in French. Must have been the only phrase in French she knew, how to order a drink. It soon came, and she took a sip, pretending to listen to this discussion about paper money.
Daehanjeiguk
21-01-2007, 17:41
His Imperial Majesty, the Gwangmu Emperor, will be unable to attend, because he is currently hosting a coronation ceremony. In his stead, Prince Pak Yu will be arriving shortly.
Neo-Russia the 2nd
21-01-2007, 18:58
"We're late! I told you they were using a Georgian calender!" shouted one of the couriers escorting Vladmir, leader of Neo-Russia.
"Ah be quiet. It's not my fault the goverment turned into a giant bureaucracy to enforce Command-Market Laws." Vladmir replies calmly. "Ah this must be the hall; we shall enter."
"Are you sure about this? Our country is so small... If we pulled a string something horrible could go wrong..." remarked one of his guards "especially with the bigger more stable Command-Market country next to us."

OOC: The story of why the country broke away is a story for another day :cool:

IC:
"Ah don't worry." Vladmir said.
"Famous last words..." remarked the cab driver.

They pulled out by the entrance to the hall. It was a very grand building, with it's euro-contemporary decorations reminiscing gothic-style buildiings. Slowly the party walked in, switching his universal translator on. According to the words flashing across the screen, they were talking something about what form of money they should use.
[NS]ICCD-Intracircumcordei
21-01-2007, 19:47
Anthony chuckled and shook his head, "Go ahead and press, you make a valid point." He then sat up a bit more and took a sip of the rum and cola, before replying, "The problem with the universal minting and the unique coinage with security devices is that we already have such a system by having unique currencies. Where the problem lies is with countrie's like the States of America, who don't have their currency attached to a metal standard any longer. If they would attach to the silver and/or gold standard, then we'd have the common system we need."


Julio waits a moment before responding listening to what the Tresury Department had to say.

"That is not entirely true. The US does have some metal currency - silver gold and platinum eagles. Even though the silver notes of JFK were removed from issue, the US didn't ammend their rights of congress to press their own coinage. Commodities are commonly trade, but not commonly used for commercial sale. Removing the excess bloat of trading in paper currency duplicates bullion and cash efficiency. If we had one bullion system that could be used for commercial trade and commodities trade then the issue would't be there. The security of trading and the accessability of the coinage are major goals. If everyone has the coinage then the wealth and means of secure trade is transfered to everyone, rather than for instance placing control of the currencies value on the banks alone. Industries that use the metal would have more stake in teh valuation of the currency. So if the currency value approached the material value industries would consume the coinage, increasimg the value of the currency. Scarcity of coinage is a concern, howeveri if we mint many many coins of various sizes and values. We should be able to keep output of the currency outstripping. Our currencies would never drop below the industrial value of the currency. The currency itself may fluctuate still above melt based upon domestic trade value.

So the system is in use, but it isn't as domestically common as it could be. Some countries do have metal coinage including the US for common currency,But we do not tend to see this for large denominations - we do see it for $10 (silver) but gold and platinum mintings are valued at much higher levels. What we need to do is make sure that we get into circulation coins at 'real industrial melt values, for instance 9.50 worth of silver in a 10$ coin. This is already occuring but some coins with $20 and face values are trading for $100's or even $1000's of dollars.

It just isn't proliferated or universal. I think that we should agree on a common system, but insure that the domestic consumer end of the coin is weighted at the right ammount, so that it is easy to use day by day, where credit card or debit isn't used. Also tieing in monies value to industrial material by default empowers the people. COunterfitting just won't have a great reward.. because you need coin minting equipment and an excess of roughly equivicable metal. Cut metals could still make sense in a forgery.. but the special id's and devices, would also need to be manufactured. You can put some of the same security devices into coin you can paper currency. In the long run we could also move to have large denominations of the currency registered, like some bullions. With each coin having a referance number registered to someone, which would prevent counterfit trades of large denominations. In the end it could also be used for small denominations, but the registration system may appear to be a bit of the a hastle for small sums. A simple scale should be able to tell in most cases,. True weight loadings and mimiking the internal device could occur but the losses would be minimal and the expenses of setting up the operation would be precarious, how often do you see euro's counterfitted?

It will take a number of years to implment, and in the mean time old currencies can be transisted and decirculated, or left in circulation as a dual currency. I am geussing businesspeople would prefer the new currency over the old.
"
[NS]ICCD-Intracircumcordei
21-01-2007, 21:11
ooc: apparently a lot of nations use the US dollar as their currency. I need to know what LAS', Propera's and Gauthic's currencies are since El Salvador, Ecuador, Panama, the Turks and Caicos, the Marshall Islands, Palau, Micronesia, and East Timor use the US dollar as their official currency in rl.

I'll be gone till later today. 3 am here.


OOC:

The L.A.S. is a newly form federated Union that resulted from the Union of the Brazil Argentina and ? uruagauy??

there currency is 'mixed' but they are in the process of 'bullionizing' their currency.. the US dollar is also used in some areas unofficial - especially tourist locations. Each state (country) has their own currency -- the current federal currency is the L.A.S. Centavos but is just starting circulation in high denominations based on silver and gold 'bullion'. in gram to ounce denominations. There is also a LAS bank which uses Platinum Centavos as an interbank trade. The LAS has been quietly buying up (mining) precious metals for the currency transisition - and new national notes, are not being produced - except a limited production of ceremonial / occassion notes. copper and and some other lower denomination coins are also planned. - however non corroding metals are ideal and a non corrosion mixture is added to the coins. The mixture can safely be removed (the mixture is only added to corroding elements.

Higher currency values are callled "escudo" and are usually used for business transactions or high valued item purchases.

DAY TO DAY CURRENCY

1 centimes =.625 cents (like a penny)
1/2 real (6.25 cents) = 1 centavos (like a nickle)
1 real 12.5 cents) (like a dime)
2 real (25 centrs 1/4 peso) = 1 maravedies (like a quarter)
4 real (50 cents -1/2peso) = 2 maravedies (like a 50 cent peice)
peice of 8 (a peso)(1$) = 4 maravedies (like a dollar)
-----------------------------------------------------------
Consumer Purchasing currency

real de vellón (half silver) $2.5 value) = 10 maravedies (like 2$ coin)
real de plata fuerte (about 5$ value) = 5 pesos (like a $5 bill)
10 pesos = 1 real de plata (made of silver about $10 value) (like a $10 bill)


------------------------------------------------
Bank and Business Currencies
paladium sencillo ($50) (like a $50 bill)
10 real = 1 (gold) escudo (100$) (like a $100 bill)
(platinum escudo $1000 bank transfer note) (like a banknote)
(bars are used by the banks in higher denominations --- than $1000




other coins are bieng determined but that is the basics

I know it probably makes more sense to call it the LAS peso - that is in the works on that
Neo-Russia the 2nd
21-01-2007, 23:15
OOC: That's weird... My post isn't on here... I'll try posting it again. Please don't get angry if there seems to be a double-post.

IC:
Vladmir suddenly intrudes upon the lively argument about currency.
"Hey, what if we got rid of money altogether and switched to a command-market economy? As shown on this flowchart, these are the advantages:"
Vladmir produces a large bulletin board and a presentation along with it.

"How'd he get that inside his jacket?" One of the couriers whispers to the other.
"I don't know, but i'm guessing he got it printed at the Staples in what's that country's name..." The courier responds.
"You mean now he's outsourcing retail? I thought he used the black market!"
"I'm not really sure. Oh well"
"Wait shh... he's finished"

"That is why command-market is better than free-market." Vladmir concludes.

"Shoot we missed it!" the courier remarks.

OOC: The small conversation, if you did not notice, shows a time lapse because I really can't think of more than 2 reasons why command-market is better than free-market (but it definitely sounds good :cool: )
Gauthic
22-01-2007, 00:17
ICCD-Intracircumcordei;12235690']Julio waits a moment before responding listening to what the Tresury Department had to say.

"That is not entirely true. The US does have some metal currency - silver gold and platinum eagles. Even though the silver notes of JFK were removed from issue, the US didn't ammend their rights of congress to press their own coinage. Commodities are commonly trade, but not commonly used for commercial sale. Removing the excess bloat of trading in paper currency duplicates bullion and cash efficiency. If we had one bullion system that could be used for commercial trade and commodities trade then the issue would't be there. The security of trading and the accessability of the coinage are major goals. If everyone has the coinage then the wealth and means of secure trade is transfered to everyone, rather than for instance placing control of the currencies value on the banks alone. Industries that use the metal would have more stake in teh valuation of the currency. So if the currency value approached the material value industries would consume the coinage, increasimg the value of the currency. Scarcity of coinage is a concern, howeveri if we mint many many coins of various sizes and values. We should be able to keep output of the currency outstripping. Our currencies would never drop below the industrial value of the currency. The currency itself may fluctuate still above melt based upon domestic trade value.

So the system is in use, but it isn't as domestically common as it could be. Some countries do have metal coinage including the US for common currency,But we do not tend to see this for large denominations - we do see it for $10 (silver) but gold and platinum mintings are valued at much higher levels. What we need to do is make sure that we get into circulation coins at 'real industrial melt values, for instance 9.50 worth of silver in a 10$ coin. This is already occuring but some coins with $20 and face values are trading for $100's or even $1000's of dollars.

It just isn't proliferated or universal. I think that we should agree on a common system, but insure that the domestic consumer end of the coin is weighted at the right ammount, so that it is easy to use day by day, where credit card or debit isn't used. Also tieing in monies value to industrial material by default empowers the people. COunterfitting just won't have a great reward.. because you need coin minting equipment and an excess of roughly equivicable metal. Cut metals could still make sense in a forgery.. but the special id's and devices, would also need to be manufactured. You can put some of the same security devices into coin you can paper currency. In the long run we could also move to have large denominations of the currency registered, like some bullions. With each coin having a referance number registered to someone, which would prevent counterfit trades of large denominations. In the end it could also be used for small denominations, but the registration system may appear to be a bit of the a hastle for small sums. A simple scale should be able to tell in most cases,. True weight loadings and mimiking the internal device could occur but the losses would be minimal and the expenses of setting up the operation would be precarious, how often do you see euro's counterfitted?

It will take a number of years to implment, and in the mean time old currencies can be transisted and decirculated, or left in circulation as a dual currency. I am geussing businesspeople would prefer the new currency over the old.
"


As Julio's explaination went on, Anthony found his mind begin to wander. He caught himself, and took a glance to the members of the Bureau, glad to see an Administrator and a Moderator recording on their PDAs, while a third was typing away furiously in what appeared to be research on the discussion.

When Julio was done, Anthony smiled and nodded positively, "That was great, and worth consideration since half of it was information I had not yet considered. Part of my reluctance to adopt the system, however, is that the current system isn't exactly broken as of yet. If you could send someone to my nation to discuss this matter with the Bureau of Economics, that would be great. I want to be sure that both the current system and the new one being proposed are properly evaluated before we commit to one or the other. As it stands, we are taking no action and retaining the cycle of our current currency. But you have given me reason to consider your proposal more seriously, thank you."
[NS]ICCD-Intracircumcordei
22-01-2007, 00:31
As Julio's explaination went on, Anthony found his mind begin to wander. He caught himself, and took a glance to the members of the Bureau, glad to see an Administrator and a Moderator recording on their PDAs, while a third was typing away furiously in what appeared to be research on the discussion.

When Julio was done, Anthony smiled and nodded positively, "That was great, and worth consideration since half of it was information I had not yet considered. Part of my reluctance to adopt the system, however, is that the current system isn't exactly broken as of yet. If you could send someone to my nation to discuss this matter with the Bureau of Economics, that would be great. I want to be sure that both the current system and the new one being proposed are properly evaluated before we commit to one or the other. As it stands, we are taking no action and retaining the cycle of our current currency. But you have given me reason to consider your proposal more seriously, thank you."

That is true, what is the chance of your currency being devalued. I wish you and your land luck, if only seawater was currency perhaps you could strike a deal with the us as part of your freetrade, you could make a pipeline of saltwater into the centra US and save your scattered country a worse fate.
Would you accept the deal if salt was instead used as a currency, that is even more archaic. I think you have some valid points though, what are the chances of some crazy event destabalizing the world economy, like a global war or something?

Just so you know though, it doesn't have to be a one or the other approach the new and old systems can be used, just look at Britain and the Euro for example.

Envision this.. a huge pipe heated to boiling temperatures to turn huge volumes of salt water into salt and water. The water gets dumped in the droughty US states, and the salt dumped around salt lake, or used for industrial processes or other. Not only does it limit the impact of global warming but it assists both you and the US. If the US would divert some funds from the military and space program for the pipeline it may be a overly benificial program. All they would need is to make some lenses pipes and suck up all the seawater. It would solve the inner US water shortages and the micronesian disappearance. Mexico would invest funds to extend parto of the pipeline into mexico.. maybe even as far as mexico city. Perhaps mexico and micronesia could work out some sort of deal, perhaps we could illicit coke or pepsi or seagrams to get involved as well"


Julio stops for a moment. "Gentlemen please forgive me I may need to rest for the evening it seems that El president and staff may be preoccupied and growing tired at this time."
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
22-01-2007, 00:46
As the President listened to the other world leaders an aid from the State Department informed him of developments in Europe. The conference had going good but now he frowned. His face taking on a somber note. He then whispered something to the aid and turned back to the conference, an upset look on his face.
He had just told the State Department to require an explanation from British Lonidinium. It would be unfortunate if he had to turn against an ally.
The situation in Europe was a distraction. If he allowed them to take over a small state, it could harm US credibility.
Gauthic
22-01-2007, 00:55
ICCD-Intracircumcordei;12236740']That is true, what is the chance of your currency being devalued. I wish you and your land luck, if only seawater was currency perhaps you could strike a deal with the us as part of your freetrade, you could make a pipeline of saltwater into the centra US and save your scattered country a worse fate.
Would you accept the deal if salt was instead used as a currency, that is even more archaic. I think you have some valid points though, what are the chances of some crazy event destabalizing the world economy, like a global war or something?

Just so you know though, it doesn't have to be a one or the other approach the new and old systems can be used, just look at Britain and the Euro for example.

Envision this.. a huge pipe heated to boiling temperatures to turn huge volumes of salt water into salt and water. The water gets dumped in the droughty US states, and the salt dumped around salt lake, or used for industrial processes or other. Not only does it limit the impact of global warming but it assists both you and the US. If the US would divert some funds from the military and space program for the pipeline it may be a overly benificial program. All they would need is to make some lenses pipes and suck up all the seawater. It would solve the inner US water shortages and the micronesian disappearance. Mexico would invest funds to extend parto of the pipeline into mexico.. maybe even as far as mexico city. Perhaps mexico and micronesia could work out some sort of deal, perhaps we could illicit coke or pepsi or seagrams to get involved as well"


Julio stops for a moment. "Gentlemen please forgive me I may need to rest for the evening it seems that El president and staff may be preoccupied and growing tired at this time."


Anthony Malcolm quirked an eyebrow at this, unsure of what to make of the statement. "Soooo I finally start seeing things your way and request your aid in evaluating your system, and you make fun of me? You also seem to be making fun of industrialized distillation, which is a process already utilized in my nation and cuba. We have an endless supply of pure water and pure salt thanks to it."
[NS]ICCD-Intracircumcordei
22-01-2007, 01:47
Anthony Malcolm quirked an eyebrow at this, unsure of what to make of the statement. "Soooo I finally start seeing things your way and request your aid in evaluating your system, and you make fun of me? You also seem to be making fun of industrialized distillation, which is a process already utilized in my nation and cuba. We have an endless supply of pure water and pure salt thanks to it."

"Yes but if this were extended to mass production in the states and along our seaboard perhaps it could somehow offset the melt, which would be very benificial to your islands."
Prosperas
22-01-2007, 01:52
The Prosperan prime minister walked into the meeting room a little embarrassed that he was late. Chris Benedict was older than most of the others in the room. Balding on top, with grandfather glasses and a dull gray suit, the former economist was nearing retirement after a ten year reign as leader of Prosperas.
"Good day, ladies and gentlemen. I apologise for my delay. I had other matters to tend to. Would someone perhaps be able to give me a brief run-down on what has been discussed so far?"
Gauthic
22-01-2007, 02:00
Prime Minister walked into the meeting room a little embarrassed that he was late. Chris Benedict was older than most of the others in the room. Balding on top, with grandfather glasses and a dull gray suit, the former economist was nearing retirement after a ten year reign as leader of Prosperas.
"Good day, ladies and gentlemen. I apologise for my delay. I had other matters to tend to. Would someone perhaps be able to give me a brief run-down on what has been discussed so far?"


A Moderator from Gauthic's Bureau of External Affairs appraoches Prime Minister Benedict and offers him a chance to look at the text transcript he was making of the various discussions.

It seperated the issues as several different discussions. The Global Warming issue, with notes about what every country said and only one note stating Gauthic's disapproval. The PPFTA issue, with the US and Gauthic in support of the idea and wishing to hammer out details with the other nations. Then the global currency debate, which LAS and Gauthic have been going back and forth over the most out of all the discussions.
Congo--Kinshasa
22-01-2007, 02:05
{OOC: What'd I miss?}
[NS]ICCD-Intracircumcordei
22-01-2007, 02:09
Julio took his ear peice out.

In regard to the PPFTA, the LAS would be likely be willing to crack down on Piracy and Terrorism on the high seas if countries were willing to supply the equipment to properly equip the LAS coast gaurd.
Southern Rhodeisia
22-01-2007, 02:21
Prime Minister Amherst arrived, a bit worried because he was so late in coming. Apparently some problem with construction at Salisbury airport or something like that- in any case, he showed up and took his seat, saying,

"My apologies for being late. What have I missed?"
Congo--Kinshasa
22-01-2007, 02:26
Mobutu had met Amherst a few times before, and found him to be an affable, agreeable fellow, easy to talk to, and very understanding, as well as a hell of a statesman and a staunch ally, due to their shared opposition to communism. Mobutu rose, shook Amherst's hand. "Welcome, Mr. Prime Minister. It is an honor to see you again."
Daehanjeiguk
22-01-2007, 03:21
Prince Pak Yu - Minister of Foreign Affairs arrived late, but seemly on time, as the invitation was likewise received late by his Imperial Majesty. With the airplane settled on the ground, he made haste to the conference, pressing the driver to make his arrival prompt.

As such, his arrival was at a point when people had already gathered, and he could not decide if it was right to barge into the conversation. Nonetheless, he decided to settle his affairs before venturing out to meet the other persons. There was a larger crowd here than in the Imperial Palace.
Congo--Kinshasa
22-01-2007, 07:47
Mobutu smiled, rose from his seat to address the newest arrival. "Hello, and welcome to Z-"

He froze in mid-sentence, clutching his heart, as an enfeebled, barely audible gasp of pain escaped his lips. His eyes bulging, his mouth agape, he stumbled back, and toppled over to the floor, his hand over his heart, and his breath came out in short bursts and ragged gasps.

Ngbanda snapped his fingers. "Someone, get help! Someone-"

But aides were already lifting the President onto a makeshift stretcher, and bringing him out of the room. As they carried him out of the conference hall, Ngbanda called for a helicopter to transport the President immediately to the nearest hospital.
Gauthic
22-01-2007, 15:55
Mobutu smiled, rose from his seat to address the newest arrival. "Hello, and welcome to Z-"

He froze in mid-sentence, clutching his heart, as an enfeebled, barely audible gasp of pain escaped his lips. His eyes bulging, his mouth agape, he stumbled back, and toppled over to the floor, his hand over his heart, and his breath came out in short bursts and ragged gasps.

Ngbanda snapped his fingers. "Someone, get help! Someone-"

But aides were already lifting the President onto a makeshift stretcher, and bringing him out of the room. As they carried him out of the conference hall, Ngbanda called for a helicopter to transport the President immediately to the nearest hospital.


Anthony Malcolm stood and with his face aghast he moved to help President Mobutu, several guards following in time. Mobutu's servants, however, were closer and already carrying Mobutu out...

...Anthony Malcolm, Administrator Torsten, and all the Moderators stood there, watching in the general direction they carried President Mobutu away.

After a few moments, Malcolm turned to Torsten and grabbed him by the shoulder, leaning in to give his orders, muttering quietly "Pretty sure that was a mild heart attack. Prepare to send standard aid to cover the hospital bill."

Torsten nodded at this and got out his PDA, establishing contact with Moderators of several Bureaus to inform them a hospital bill payment would be needed soon.

Anthony Malcolm's next order was to the squad commander in charge of his personal security, "Pretty sure insurgents may take responsibility for this or otherwise act on it. Prepare a discreet extraction and remain on standby, we may have to leave soon."

Squad Commander Dredd touched his comlink and got on the line with the squad gaurding the C-130 and the men in charge of keeping the rooms secure, to let them know to remain on standby until further notice.
Neo-Russia the 2nd
22-01-2007, 23:08
Vladmir frowned at the complete non-response of the other nations. They hadn't even disagreed. However the sudden heart attack of President Mobutu kicked him back into reality. He stared blankly at the President as they carried him out. He had once studied cardiology at the University of Moscow, before becoming a revolutionary and helping Neo-Russia the 2nd to break away. He was pretty sure that it was a major heart attack. However, unless President Mobutu had a heart attack in the past, it shouldn't of been so major... Was there a political assassination going on? He wondered if those were the thoughts running through every other ruler, prince, and delegate in the hall...
Congo--Kinshasa
23-01-2007, 01:28
Ngbanda returned, his face flustered. "Please excuse me," he said, "but I must leave to attend to the President. However, if you all wish to continue the meeting, you may do so. If you need anything, just ask one of the aides, and they shall be happy to help." He left, but not before flashing Kazmirov an ice-cold, accusatory glare, almost as if he suspected the Gashgalgabradian president of inflicting the heart attack upon Mobutu.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
23-01-2007, 01:40
President Whitmore watched as Mobuto was carried away on a stretcher.
He gave his condolences to the Zairan people. He should be at the White House. He had important matters to attend to. The problem with Eurasia being formost among them.
H-Town Tejas
23-01-2007, 04:12
Premier al-Badr watched as the old man was carried out of the opulent palace on a stretcher. She took a sip back on the drink she had to conceal the smirk on her face. Maybe this was the end of a corrupt military dictator whose reign had been one of the biggest blocks to the spread of socialism in Africa, next, of course, to the minority regime to its South. Of course, her joy at this fool's possible death didn't solely come from the fact that it might be a boon for African socialists. Perhaps it could be a boon to the people as well. It meant that there might not be somebody up in Kinshasa whose corruption was keeping one of the most resource-blessed countries in the world at a .385 HDI while brutally oppressing his people. Wishful thinking, maybe, but what harm could it do?
"You want some of this drink?" al-Badr asked Shahrzad, handing the drink to the other woman, "I never really liked the taste of mis-appropriated government budget."
The Iranian woman suppressed a laugh and handed the drink back, shaking her head.
"Suit yourself," al-Badr said, taking a sip of the drink and leaning back. She hoped that the plane was ready to take them back to Baghdad as soon as it was the general consensus to start leaving.
'I wonder if anyone else accomplished more coming all the way out here...' she thought to herself.
Cookesland
23-01-2007, 04:13
Imir walked into the room as quietly as possible, the communications out of the Indian Federation and the rest of the world were a little slow.

He saw the stretcher move past him, oh no he though to himself
Gashgalgabrad
23-01-2007, 05:32
Kazmirov sat at his chair, looking at the stretcher. "Hmmm, karma perhaps?" he thought to himself.
Congo--Kinshasa
23-01-2007, 05:50
An aide entered. "President Mobutu has just arrived at the hospital. No word on his condition yet, but he is still alive."
Gashgalgabrad
23-01-2007, 05:51
"Any ideas what caused the heart attack?" Kazmirov asked "He seemed plenty heathy when I saw him"
Prosperas
23-01-2007, 07:08
"My God," Chris Benedict breathed. The Zairian leader's large body was hauled onto a stretcher before them all and carried off amidst much commotion. Benedict reached for a glass of water and leaned back in his chair.
"What now, I wonder?" Michael Sidney mumbled. Seated beside him was Ken Richardson, the Minister of Trade, and another senior diplomat named George Bentley. Richardson remained well composed but Bentley appeared to cower.
"Wait... I think that is all we can do." Richardson replied, eyeing Bentley suspiciously.

They waited patiently for more news on Mobutu's condition, and for the discussions to resume. Very soon, however, talk in the room turned to what had caused Mobutu's sudden heart attack. Had it been an assassination attempt? Were the other leaders in danger, perhaps? The Prosperan security detail was monitoring the situation while the rest of the delegation considered its options.
"Well, he is an old man..." Bentley commented. His head was tilted down and he fumbled almost frantically with the buttons on his shirt sleeve, which he had been undoing and doing back up again for the last half an hour.
"Yes, I think you're right, George. It was most likely natural." Prime Minister Benedict responded positively.
Richardson, who had grown frustrated, was about to comment on Bentley's annoying habit when suddenly the latter shoved his chair back and stood up.
"I DID IT!" He screamed, and began ripping at his hair.
"Good God, man. Pull yourself together!" Richardson grabbed him. "Tell me! What did you do?"
"I POISONED MOBUTU!"

- To be continued
Daehanjeiguk
23-01-2007, 07:29
Mobutu smiled, rose from his seat to address the newest arrival. "Hello, and welcome to Z-"

He froze in mid-sentence, clutching his heart, as an enfeebled, barely audible gasp of pain escaped his lips. His eyes bulging, his mouth agape, he stumbled back, and toppled over to the floor, his hand over his heart, and his breath came out in short bursts and ragged gasps.

Ngbanda snapped his fingers. "Someone, get help! Someone-"

But aides were already lifting the President onto a makeshift stretcher, and bringing him out of the room. As they carried him out of the conference hall, Ngbanda called for a helicopter to transport the President immediately to the nearest hospital.

Prince Pak Yu was uncertain what sort of gestures Mobutu was making, until the stretchers had carried him away from the area. Such was the nature of the affliction that the Prince cabled back the the Imperial Capital: "Arrived to Conference first day; Met President of Zaire; President had illness, left early; retired to temporary residence; request permission to grant condolences to the grieved hearts, to offer some awareness of the President's pain."

The Imperial Ministry replied: "Gwangmu Emperor grants you authority in his name to do what is necessary to redress and make things well."

Prince Pak Yu's remarks:

"His Imperial Majesty sends his sincere condolences to the sudden pain that has come to the President Mobutu of Zaire. His illness is not yet aware to us, but we assure the people of Zaire that the Han Empire holds the highest regard for your leader, and offer our aid to his recovery. The Han Empire shall show the nature of civility to a country that shows us the same, and Mobutu has been gracious in his hospitality of His Imperial Majesty's subjects. If the Zaire government should request anything, we will be glad to offer what we can."
Congo--Kinshasa
23-01-2007, 08:35
"Any ideas what caused the heart attack?" Kazmirov asked "He seemed plenty heathy when I saw him"

"Well, the President is getting quite old. He had his 76th birthday in October. This is not unusual for a man his age."
Congo--Kinshasa
23-01-2007, 08:40
"My God," Chris Benedict breathed. The Zairian leader's large body was hauled onto a stretcher before them all and carried off amidst much commotion. Benedict reached for a glass of water and leaned back in his chair.
"What now, I wonder?" Michael Sidney mumbled. Seated beside him was Ken Richardson, the Minister of Trade, and another senior diplomat named George Bentley. Richardson remained well composed but Bentley appeared to cower.
"Wait... I think that is all we can do." Richardson replied, eyeing Bentley suspiciously.

They waited patiently for more news on Mobutu's condition, and for the discussions to resume. Very soon, however, talk in the room turned to what had caused Mobutu's sudden heart attack. Had it been an assassination attempt? Were the other leaders in danger, perhaps? The Prosperan security detail was monitoring the situation while the rest of the delegation considered its options.
"Well, he is an old man..." Bentley commented. His head was tilted down and he fumbled almost frantically with the buttons on his shirt sleeve, which he had been undoing and doing back up again for the last half an hour.
"Yes, I think you're right, George. It was most likely natural." Prime Minister Benedict responded positively.
Richardson, who had grown frustrated, was about to comment on Bentley's annoying habit when suddenly the latter shoved his chair back and stood up.
"I DID IT!" He screamed, and began ripping at his hair.
"Good God, man. Pull yourself together!" Richardson grabbed him. "Tell me! What did you do?"
"I POISONED MOBUTU!"

- To be continued

In an instant, Bentley was slammed to the floor, immobilized, his hands bound behind his back, as he felt hot breath on the back of his neck. "You have made a grave mistake," one of the DSP soldiers said, dragging Bentley to his feet, as the other soldier thrust an iron-hard fist into Bentley's kidney. "If what you say is true...you are in quite a bit of trouble." Grinning sadistically, the two soldiers took turns applying electrical shocks to Bentley's crotch (with his pants still on, of course) with a cattle prod, as Bentley screamed in pain. He was dragged from the room, while being bludgeoned and pummeled repeatedly in the process.
Prosperas
23-01-2007, 08:48
"Jesus Christ!" Prime Minister Benedict shouted and stood to his feet. Bentley was on the ground, screaming in agony, as the soldiers took turns at beating and electrocuting him.
"STOP!" The Prime Minister demanded. Flushing with rage, he marched forward to intervene but Richardson restrained him.
"It's not worth it, Chris. They'll lock us all up." Richardson said gloomily. The men watched helplessly as their colleague was dragged away. His cries gradually faded down the hall. After a few moments of awkward silence the Prosperans turned to one of the Zairian aides.
"Where have they taken him? We need to find out what is going on, damn it!"
Congo--Kinshasa
23-01-2007, 08:50
"Do not worry. If we can prove he is lying, he will be released safely. The President is a magnanimous man. He may even provide compensation."
Prosperas
23-01-2007, 09:11
Benedict and Richardson exchanged looks of astonishment. The Prime Minister shook his head and jabbed a finger at the Zairian.
"Now, listen here! Human rights may not apply to the Zairian people, but they sure as hell do to Prosperans. I'm asking you kindly to see to it that he is released now. We don't even know whether Mobutu was poisoned. Surely that must be established before anyone is arrested."
Congo--Kinshasa
23-01-2007, 09:15
"Perhaps he should have thought of that before he began spouting his lunacy," the Zairian replied breezily.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
23-01-2007, 10:33
President Whitmore looked on in disbelief at the scene before him. The Secret Service closed in around him and his aids to form an impenetrable barrier.
Disgusted at the inhuman treatment of a diplomat and with other things on his mind, he commanded one of the agents:

"Get the driver. We're leaving. We're going back to Washington now."

With that the Secret Service began making a path through the other diplomats, asking them to step aside as the President and his aids left the meeting in disgust.

"....I say again prepare Air Force One. For his own safety, the President is evacuating the meeting." one Secret Service Agent could be heard saying.

Outside the posted SSA's began scoping out the Zairan agents.
Congo--Kinshasa
23-01-2007, 10:45
One of the aides ran after the President and his entourage, waving his arms frantically. In heavily accented but sound English, he said, "Wait, wait, do not go!"
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
23-01-2007, 10:54
One of the aides ran after the President and his entourage, waving his arms frantically. In heavily accented but sound English, he said, "Wait, wait, do not go!"

The President stopped and turned toward the Zairan aide with bewilderment. Four burly agents stepped between the President and the aid in case this was an assassination attempt.

One of the agents whispered into his radio for someone on the other end to standby.
Gauthic
23-01-2007, 21:23
Anthony Malcolm had returned to Torsten and the rest of the Bureau of External Affairs delegation. They were surrounded by the squad of guards, each of which now had their bright orange stun pistols in hand. Anthony Malcolm and several of the moderators handed their drinks to a guard, who holstered his pistol and approached one of Mobutu's aids.

"Here, can you check these for poison. And make sure that Mobutu's drink was also not poisoned. Hurry." the guard said, and handed the drinks off to the aid.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
23-01-2007, 22:11
President Whitmore addressed the aid from behind the wall of agents,

"Why shouldn't I leave after what I just saw? My continued presence here is a form endorsement of human rights violations and violation of diplomatic protocol. It sickens me. Your government had better have damned good explanation and the Prosperan diplomat needs to be released immediately. His seizure in the middle of a major international conference is in violation of international norms and treaties which give diplomats immunity from arrest or seizure. Especially during diplomatic conferences involving heads of states."
Daehanjeiguk
24-01-2007, 00:42
Prince Pak Yu, hearing the clamor of assassination and poison, felt that the situation in Zaire was becoming unstable. He cabled back home, informing him of his decision to leave the country. But the Emperor cabled back:

"His Imperial Majesty requests that you hold your courage and stay as His Majesty's official emissary to the government of Zaire. If you quit, the shame of retreat will be enough to anger the Gwangmu Emperor, and thus you will be removed from your post as Foreign Minister, your titles and nobility stripped, and other accordances to which His Imperial Majesty has generously offered to you and your family shall be voided. But be safe and cautious, as His Imperial Majesty wants an alert and vigilant man to stand for the Empire in the lands of the Foreigners."
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-01-2007, 01:18
The President had other things on his mind: a riot in Los Angeles that had to be monitored. Hopefully Governor Bentham would be able to handle it.
And now his concern about Europe proved justified as an aid informed him of Eurasia's invasion of Montenegro.
He spoke to an aid and a moment later a call was placed to the Secretary of State and Congress.
He'd have to leave soon.
Congo--Kinshasa
24-01-2007, 06:22
"That man was a terrorist, who fully deserved what came to him," the aide retorted.
Whyatica
24-01-2007, 06:27
ed. Holy crap, I missed something. Can someone fill me in real quick?
H-Town Tejas
24-01-2007, 06:33
"Shit!" al-Badr said when she saw the scene. Hopefully, nobody other than her and Shahrzad knew Iraqi/Khuzestani curse words.
"This is getting a bit heavy," Shahrzad said to her, looking on at the Prosperan as he was dragged off by the DSP, "We should get out of here."
"We never should have come in the first place," al-Badr retorted, "As far as I know, nothing was accomplished at all. This is really part of Iskafi's job, anyway."
Even as the Zairian aide hassled the American President for trying to leave, al-Badr and Shahrzad headed for the door, and screw the Zairians if they wanted her to stay behind.
'The plane had better be ready to fly,' al-Badr thought, 'I want to be back in Baghdad as soon as possible.
UnitedStatesOfAmerica-
24-01-2007, 08:44
"That man was a terrorist, who fully deserved what came to him," the aide retorted.

The President looked at the Zairan with disbelief. Turning around and speaking to no one in particular he said "We're leaving."

The Secret Service began clearing a path for him as the limo waited outside to take him back to Air Force One which would take him back to Washington.

As far as he was concerned the conference was over.
Daehanjeiguk
30-01-2007, 04:35
Pak Yu cables home to the Emperor:

"The other delegates have already left, and it seems that the government here has not been very active in the investigation of the events surrounding the apparent poisoning of its great leader. I see no reason to stay in the country while squander Imperial finances to sustain a trip that isn't being well appreciated or noticed."

The Emperor then cabled back, granting permission to leave the country, citing other issues need the attention of the Empire than the welfare of the great leader of Zaire. It seems apparent to all in the Empire that this is one event that made a sudden and unexpected turn for the worse.