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I'm going to start another branch for my NS nation. It'll be called NS35.

It will be set in the WWII era, and use WWII technology. There's a twist, however. It will also be using NS nations, as opposed to real-world nations.

Now.. I don't really expect anyone else to jump onboard with this, but.. here's the guidelines for anyone that wants to participate:

1.) There is strict realism involved. A battleship of that era wouldn't be able to sail around the NS world without refueling several times.

2.) Use era technology. If you want a dreadnought, it should be on par with the Yammy or the Bismark. Aircraft carriers should be on par with WWII era CVs. Mainly, no one is to use tech exceeding 1946.

3.) Keeping an OOB is highly reccomended. An OOB is a list of the types of ships/planes/troops/tanks you own, and how many.

4.) This is the chance for you to show off what your nation was like 50 years ago, but try to be somewhat realistic.

That's about it, really.. anyway, I'm going to start playing a bit with NS35. Hope someone else out there enjoys WWII tech as much as I do.

perhaps I will get involved in this..

Uhh...I think I already made a thread about this..I think it died, though.

Uhh...I think I already made a thread about this..I think it died, though.

I've never seen it. I mainly put this out there as a notice to my fellow WWII buffs who want to play a version of their NS-selves as a WWII era power.

Here it is. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=513134)

Here it is. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=513134)

Doesn't really seem like it went anywhere. I was thinking less of a giant faction-on-faction war.. and more of an era-ish type RP. Battles would occur naturally of course just like they do in MT.

Can I use my old factbook for this then?

Can I use my old factbook for this then?

I don't mind. There's no uber-strict guidelines or anything. It's just normal NS... but set in a less-wankish era. The above guidelines are basicly the ones I expect folks to follow if they want me to interract with them.

Sounds interesting.

If anyone needs an example of how to do an OOB, take a look at this: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=514476

If anyone needs an example of how to do an OOB, take a look at this: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=514476

I have an ORBAT:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=514347

Granted there are some more modern era things in there, but predominately it's all based on WWII-era formations and units anyhow..



I would like to be involved in this as well. :)

Nifty. :)

Using our current populations or a guesstimated 1936 population? >>

Nifty. :)

Thanks!

I'd be in for a go.

I'm always interested in RPing my nations past, plus this way I get to RP the rise of David Du'Font, count me in, I'll do an OOB mebbe soonish.

I'll join up.

Will nuclear bombs be allowed just for clarification?

I'll join up.

Will nuclear bombs be allowed just for clarification?

Well. With the trend of NS, I'm rather sure nations would have had them. But.. it kinda takes the sport and the point away from this type of roleplay.

I can't tell you what to do, but I intended this to simply be a version of your NS nation as of 50 years ago, as opposed to a complete WWII simulation.

I'm game. How would we go about managing this?

I'm game. How would we go about managing this?


Same way you would any other RP. If you've not RPd before, read the stickies. :)

Same way you would any other RP. If you've not RPd before, read the stickies. :)

No, I mean are we keeping all interactions and plotlines on this thread, or are we going to use different threads and use a designator in the title?

Also, are we only putting military information here, or are we outlining political situations, imports/exports, etc for our Machine Age Nations?

I'll join up.

Will nuclear bombs be allowed just for clarification?

They'd probably be still in the theoretical/experimental phase. Nations with strong enough economies and the right mindset might be struggling to build them, but they probably wouldn't be in active use. It would create a backdrop for some international intreague.

No, I mean are we keeping all interactions and plotlines on this thread, or are we going to use different threads and use a designator in the title?

Also, are we only putting military information here, or are we outlining political situations, imports/exports, etc for our Machine Age Nations?

Uhm. I suppose we could use this thread to make major announcements and provide links to important stuff.

Otherwise, you'd be best to make/maintain your own threads, and label them so folks won't get confused.

Uhm. I suppose we could use this thread to make major announcements and provide links to important stuff.

Otherwise, you'd be best to make/maintain your own threads, and label them so folks won't get confused.

This should be a sign up thread, and then once there are actual threads, we should make a Hub thread where all of their links are stored, and organized by Military, Political, and Economic.


Just my thoughts on the matter.

Does anyone mind if all my troops are armed with StG-44s?

Does anyone mind if all my troops are armed with StG-44s?

Why would they be? StG-44s are ineffective and frankly terrible weapons.

O rly? Then why did everybody rush out and copy them when the war was over?

O rly? Then why did everybody rush out and copy them when the war was over?

They didn't. It's a common misconception that the AK-47 was based on the STG-44. The AK is actually closer to the M1 Garand than the STG-44 in actual design and parts.

This should be a sign up thread, and then once there are actual threads, we should make a Hub thread where all of their links are stored, and organized by Military, Political, and Economic.


Just my thoughts on the matter.

And yeah, that's fine.

They didn't. It's a common misconception that the AK-47 was based on the STG-44. The AK is actually closer to the M1 Garand than the STG-44 in actual design and parts.

Not by design, but by concept. The '44 was the first true assault rifle to be put into service, the problem was that it was too late in the war to make a difference.

O rly? Then why did everybody rush out and copy them when the war was over?

Compared to modern assault rifles the MP-44 was not an incredible weapon: for one thing, it was very heavy and sensitive to damage. However, at the time it was a very good innovation since it was effectively the first of a new catagory of weapon. It had the range and power which most submachineguns could not provide, but it was far faster firing than semi-automatic rifles and far more portable than light machine guns. It essentially replaced combined arms which is why it became so widespread afterward. Nevertheless, at the time a tried and true submachinegun was probably a better military investment for active arms.

I'd have no problem with your army all having first-generation or proto- assault rifles if that is appropriate for their history (for my country it wouldn't be, so I won't be doing it myself), but I'd say they would essentially be beta-testing a new weapon which is still in a constant state of reinvention. It would probably be an extremely expensive investment, but if you've got the economy and infrastructure to do it, go for it.

Actually, I've just been reading up on the StG-44. The biggest complaints were that it was too heavy, it was uncomfortable to fire when prone, and that the buttstock was a tad weak. No complaints about the reliability or performance.

My country has a "quality over quantity" doctrine, so it would make sense to have fewer men with assault rifles then swarms with bolt-action. Sure, they've been recently invented, but each soldier is highly trained with his weapons.

Officers have a good old-fashioned Thompson.

I'll give this a try.;)

Actually, I've just been reading up on the StG-44. The biggest complaints were that it was too heavy, it was uncomfortable to fire when prone, and that the buttstock was a tad weak. No complaints about the reliability or performance.


Checking out http://world.guns.ru/main-e.htm eh? Best quick reference site ever.

It was precisely what you'd expect from the first generation of a new type of weapon. I agree that it was a good invention; my point is that in the time period we've been given, it's a very new weapon which hasn't come into its own yet.

Not by design, but by concept. The '44 was the first true assault rifle to be put into service, the problem was that it was too late in the war to make a difference.

I read that they were unfireable. If you used them on semi-automatic they were ok, but on full auto, first shot was accurate, but the second became an anti-aircraft shot if you catch my drift.

I read that they were unfireable. If you used them on semi-automatic they were ok, but on full auto, first shot was accurate, but the second became an anti-aircraft shot if you catch my drift.

Go to YouTube and do a search for StG-44. In the vdeos they have of it, the recoil looks very controllable.

Checking out http://world.guns.ru/main-e.htm eh? Best quick reference site ever.

I used that, but this (www.wwiiguns.com) worked as well.

I used that, but this (www.wwiiguns.com) worked as well.

Nice!

Are we posting our OOBs here, or on individual threads with links here?

different threads, methinks.

Numinox OOB here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=514714).

Ground forces only for now, more soon.

I used that, but this (www.wwiiguns.com) worked as well.

Sweet, now its a lot easier for me to figure out what to arm my 'boys' with.

Sweet, now its a lot easier for me to figure out what to arm my 'boys' with.

I'll still arm my Fallschirmjager Division's with it, but I still prefer the MP-40 and the Mauser K-98

Yeah, the MP-40, howeevr uglyit was, was still a good weapon. I prefer the Thompson, though. Bigger bullets.

I will play, as long as I can use Russian weapons for my army and airforce and custom weapons for my Navy.

I will play, as long as I can use Russian weapons for my army and airforce and custom weapons for my Navy.

Remember to keep it within era limits..

The hub page is up. If you have something that needs adding to it, please make yourself heard.

Da HUB (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=514758)

Do we have some sort of map we could use? I mean I know each of our nations are widely different in terrain from the real world so we'll of course have to work something out, but we really do need maps or we're never gonna be able to declare war without massive failures, yeah, ummm, when is this RP gonna start and also I'll do my OOB soon.

Do we have some sort of map we could use? I mean I know each of our nations are widely different in terrain from the real world so we'll of course have to work something out, but we really do need maps or we're never gonna be able to declare war without massive failures, yeah, ummm, when is this RP gonna start and also I'll do my OOB soon.

You must have missed the several times that we said we'd be using our NS nations in the NS world. There is no world map of NS. If it comes to it, use individual nations' maps. And as to when it's starting? >.> It's already started. This isn't a new EarthXXXX, it's just your NS nation as of the 1930s-1940s.

You must have missed the several times that we said we'd be using our NS nations in the NS world. There is no world map of NS. If it comes to it, use individual nations' maps. And as to when it's starting? >.> It's already started. This isn't a new EarthXXXX, it's just your NS nation as of the 1930s-1940s.

Woah okay chill dude, just wondering.

>.> I'm chill?

I'll still arm my Fallschirmjager Division's with it, but I still prefer the MP-40 and the Mauser K-98

Mauser is an amazing company. The guns they churned out were truly fantastic. Only real downside to the 98 rifle was the smaller clip size, especially during WWI when the English and French rifles could keep up a better rate of fire due to their larger magazines. Otherwise it was a good, solid weapon.

Yeah, the MP-40, howeevr uglyit was, was still a good weapon. I prefer the Thompson, though. Bigger bullets.

MP-40 was solid as well, and more importantly cheep and fast to manufacture like the Sten and the PPS-43. The only real issue with it was the lower rate of fire and the reduced range of the 9mm ammo. And personally, I don't think it's all that ugly. It doesn't have the stylish charm of the Thompson, which looked as beautiful as it was, but it's got a very sleek Art Deco modernism look to it. Now if you want ugly, look at the Sten: ugly as sin, and the more they tried to make it look pretty by adding wood, the uglier it got!