NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC: Not Much is going to be done in terms of roleplay, but in terms of setting up logistics, this is about trade agreements with me, and one or more other countries.

Jerry Sophrone, Dictator of Havvy

"Hello nations of the world. I have liberated the nation of Havvy from it's presidential state and have taken over Havvy in a coup. I am not the dictator of Havvy, and is in need of some type of aid.

This is not direct relief though. Rather, I would like to perform a trade agreement with another country. The government is allowed to collect up too one percent of the goods made by a company in a year. We have done that in many areas, and have a good stockpile of extra resources to be traded. I will present a list of goods that we can trade with out countries, but first I must make a statement.

DO NOT ATTACK HAVVY. We are trying to make the nation of Havvy better by improving the economy and if possible, the military. My nation does not have a military, and can not fight off any forces. We hope too fix this, but first, we need to start up some trading. If any other government, or even possibly a company has some extra goods, we would like to sign a trade agreement, which I have already discussed. Here though, are the things that we are able to trade."

Jerry Sophrone hands you a list. (whoever you area)


Here is a list of things our nation can export to your nation.

1. Truglas - Truglas are like turtles, and they taste wonderful. We have 3 kinds of species.
A. Land - Easy to catch, and the most bountiful. We have about 2 and a half million pounds of this animal.
B. Aquatic - Harder to catch, and less bountiful. We have about 150,000 pounds, and they are worth more than Land Truglas.
C. Heat-Resistant - Due to a mutation during a volcano, these truglas can be cooked to really high temps. without having to worry about them burning. We have only 20,000 pounds, and one of these often goes for $67.83 Zomanias per pound. (One Zomania is about 4 USDs)
2. Forentic - A veggie. Looks like a cross between a watermelon, a tomato, and asparagus. We have a huge surplus of these goods, and as such, farmers are willing to sell them to the government at high %s.
3. Logs - You can get logs that were freshly cut down in Havvy, or one of the following:
A. Lumber - Logs turned into wood for construction.
B. Paper - Blank sheets of paper, that can be used for anything.
4. Aluminum - Our nation recycles, and as such, we have collected over 30,000 pounds of aluminum that we can sell to other countries.
5. Fish - We have fish in general. We currently own 900 pounds per company, or since people like making many companies for fishing (because of certain laws), we have 90,000 pounds of fish to sale.

We can also make another type of deal. If you send us the raw goods, we shall make the goods for you, and than sell them back to you for $1. You won't have any penalty for your environment, because we are making all your goods.

Our nation is more favorable to stable governments, and those who send us the right types of goods. While Jerry Sophrone doesn't believe in nukes as a weapon (OOC: FYI, read that again), he does want to have nuclear energy. He also wouldn't mind if the trade agreement you want included concrete, guns, or possibly a type of food found in your region, but not the rest of the world. We will try to take any good offer though.

Republic of Groznyj
Department of State

The nation of Groznyj is interested in establishing trade agreements with your nation. We have a plentiful supply of Uranium (which is why we rely on mostly nuclear power) and some of that can be regularly exported to your country after an agreement is made. Also as for your varieties of seafoods, I do believe that some of our restaurant chains in Nerutian Sea area (ooc: Mediterranean) would be interested. We look forward to doing business with you.

As a side note, noting your lack of any military force, if you every so wish we can build a Groznian military base on a small part of your country to help defend her trade.

Sincerely, Ibrahim Karachay
Secretary of State

OCC: You got a post on midnight. Good job.

IC

Jerry Sophrone, Dictator of Havvy
"After much thought, I have written out a draft proposal for a trade agreement. Tell me, do you feel any changes are necessary?"

With that, he hands you a piece of paper full of scratch marks, and eraser marks.

Havian Trade Agreement


Upon the signing of this agreement, the nations of Havvy and Groznyj will perform the following acts.


1. A deposit of uranium will be sent to the nation of Havvy by the nation of Groznyj.
2. The nation of Havvy may not use uranium in weapons.
3. A supply of aquatic fish and truglas will be sent to the nation of Groznyj from the nation of Havvy.
4. The nation of Groznyj is not allowed to breed truglas for any purpose.
5. Uranium can not be traded by the nation of Havvy, and Truglas can not be traded by the nation of Groznyj.
6. A Groznian military base is allowed to be built on Havaco Military Base.
7. Personal from Groznyj are allowed to travel to and from Havaco Military Base until this trade agreement is repealed or the bill is not reinstated after the bill's time passes.
8. This bill must be reinstated every ten years.

Groznyj Signature ________________

Havian Signature ________________

End Document

OOC: Havaco Military Base is an island located about 1000 kilometers from the main island. For a (poorly done) map, please check out this map. (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Image:Havvy_Political_Map.JPG)

"We have reached bumpia. Our next stop will be bumpaloza. Thank you for riding Air Bump."

"Emperor, A dictator nation!"

"And a third-world one at that. Ready some nukes, I'm on an ego trip. Considering we've got over 30 times their funding. I've yet to decide if I want to invade."

OOC: Your signature is missing a space between your bolded III and your not bolded IV in the defcon area. Oh yes, and the country isn't 3-rd world. It is umm..., what's it called? Anyways, the buildings and everything is up to date. We just don't have a military. Oh, but if you want to see a few natural places, my island country has too islands which don't have much development on them. One of them is encompassed by a rain-forest, and was protected. The other is around a volcano, and well, would you live by an active volcano?

Oh, and this could be considered godmodding, but just for story purposes, I can't have my nation nuked or Jerry Sophrone deposed until Jerry Sophrone manually leaves his office. I don't want to end up like British L. Sophrone knows not to execute people by blender, and has actually just let the police that were already there stay there with little change in rules from the previous rulers (one dictator (who bought the land and than seceded from his country) and two presidents, which is the system that was adopted after the first dictator died (because it stated to do so in his will).

All of my country leaders were pacifists, and now we have one who believes in defense, at least for right now. Just don't send nukes, or take over my country and you'll be find. Oh, and the fact that things are pretty much frozen in time until I get the history made, and a factbook for here, I would have to move forward to accept any war. This is me starting roleplaying. Yes, I have been here a couple of months, but most of those were either away from this, or just looking at other threads, such as the news story BL sent out, which caused a war. Oh, and we don't have computers, but vehicles and everything else yah. We are just missing computers.

[/rant and /background and /godmodding]

OOC: Your signature is missing a space between your bolded III and your not bolded IV in the defcon area. Oh yes, and the country isn't 3-rd world. It is umm..., what's it called? Anyways, the buildings and everything is up to date. We just don't have a military. Oh, but if you want to see a few natural places, my island country has too islands which don't have much development on them. One of them is encompassed by a rain-forest, and was protected. The other is around a volcano, and well, would you live by an active volcano?

Oh, and this could be considered godmodding, but just for story purposes, I can't have my nation nuked or Jerry Sophrone deposed until Jerry Sophrone manually leaves his office. I don't want to end up like British L. Sophrone knows not to execute people by blender, and has actually just let the police that were already there stay there with little change in rules from the previous rulers (one dictator (who bought the land and than seceded from his country) and two presidents, which is the system that was adopted after the first dictator died (because it stated to do so in his will).

All of my country leaders were pacifists, and now we have one who believes in defense, at least for right now. Just don't send nukes, or take over my country and you'll be find. Oh, and the fact that things are pretty much frozen in time until I get the history made, and a factbook for here, I would have to move forward to accept any war. This is me starting roleplaying. Yes, I have been here a couple of months, but most of those were either away from this, or just looking at other threads, such as the news story BL sent out, which caused a war. Oh, and we don't have computers, but vehicles and everything else yah. We are just missing computers.

[/rant and /background and /godmodding]


Could I liberate it? (Topple dictator, install puppet government untill elections can be held) Of course if you choose not to let me I'm fine with it.

Oh, and this could be considered godmodding, but just for story purposes, I can't have my nation nuked or Jerry Sophrone deposed until Jerry Sophrone manually leaves his office.

That in any shape or form. Also notice that this is about trade agreements, so if you want to make a deal with my country instead, we'll be fine with that. Not all dictators are bad. Look at....Havvy. (I don't really know any other example.) The person who founded this country was a dictator. He was a nice dictator. Anyways, trade agreement or no?

OOC: Also, Laquasa...you will have to deal with me if you go anywhere near Havvy. You feel like ego-stroking your nukes? I got more nukes than you have people.

...not rly.

Alright, ending discussion about war....
Notice what I put in the []s. [Open; MT; Not War]

So, anyways, anybody else want to try to set up a trade agreement with me? Trade agreements are vital too Jerry's Plans, and as such, would like multiple of them. Oh, and he's going to make another announcement.

Jerry Sophrone, Dictator of Havvy

Thank you nations, for coming to this meeting. We would be glad if anybody here knows of a good alliance to join. Since we don't have a military, we are powerless, but as such, we shall be forming a small one soon.

First though, I would like to join an alliance with some trustworthy nations. We do not care if it has militaristic clauses right now, but rather, that there are economic clauses which help out all nations involved. We will hopefully join a good one, and if there is none we like...

We just won't join it.

Anyways, does anybody else need some trade into their country? We have many resources left that we can trade and we still have forentis we can sell. Wouldn't your children be please to hear that there is a new vegetable in your country? *He Smirks*

OOC: You may notice a link to a military thing on the wiki. I have decided that this event is before that. The wiki info is basically the backup of my nation, so checking that out wouldn't be bad.

http://www.ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Havvy

If I get any trade agreements, I'll add those too the wiki.

OCC: You got a post on midnight. Good job.

IC

Jerry Sophrone, Dictator of Havvy
"After much thought, I have written out a draft proposal for a trade agreement. Tell me, do you feel any changes are necessary?"

With that, he hands you a piece of paper full of scratch marks, and eraser marks.

Havian Trade Agreement


Upon the signing of this agreement, the nations of Havvy and Groznyj will perform the following acts.


1. A deposit of uranium will be sent to the nation of Havvy by the nation of Groznyj.
2. The nation of Havvy may not use uranium in weapons.
3. A supply of aquatic fish and truglas will be sent to the nation of Groznyj from the nation of Havvy.
4. The nation of Groznyj is not allowed to breed truglas for any purpose.
5. Uranium can not be traded by the nation of Havvy, and Truglas can not be traded by the nation of Groznyj.
6. A Groznian military base is allowed to be built on Havaco Military Base.
7. Personal from Groznyj are allowed to travel to and from Havaco Military Base until this trade agreement is repealed or the bill is not reinstated after the bill's time passes.
8. This bill must be reinstated every ten years.

Groznyj Signature ________________

Havian Signature ________________

End Document

OOC: Havaco Military Base is an island located about 1000 kilometers from the main island. For a (poorly done) map, please check out this map. (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Image:Havvy_Political_Map.JPG)

Republic of Groznyj
Department of State

Thank you kindly for agreeing to advance our trade talks. Although some parts of the agreement are sound to us there are a few sections that I feel we should negotiate on.


What is stated about a military base is fine.
Agreeing that you will not use the uranium we sell/trade for weapons use is fine.
The agreement makes it sound as if we are only trading uranium for seafood. What we feel is best is for us to sell/trade you a reliable source of uranium (you stated deposit in your paper, such is impossible as it would require digging out an entire mine/vein of uranium which is totally unfeasible.) in exchange for a base to protect both our shipping interests in that area, and for anything else you want to trade with us. I am sorry if you had been mistaken that we only wanted seafood for uranium. We want to sell you the uranium but at a lower price than we would sell to a neutral nation. Also if you agree to allow us to breed our own truglas, etc you can feel free to sell off whatever excess uranium is shipped to/purchased by you.


In addition, how would you feel about opening free trade between our two nations? On the condition that you cannot trade/do business with nations hostile to Groznyj (at the moment only Demon 666 and The Kraven Corp).

edit: Lol Laquasia you know random nuking is heavily frowned upon here; icly as well as oocly. (besides he's a nice dictator =P )

The businesses of Havvy are allowed to perform trade with any nation they wish. This does include nations that are against us, but so far, that's been nobody. Any business in Havvy can basically do business anywhere, and any business wanting to do things here in Havvy is free, as long as certain things are handled.

Is there any leader of the state or a person I can talk to?
Anyways, back to the reply.

Jerry Sophrone, Dictator of Havvy
"Alright, let me just make a few corrections here and there."

*He takes the paper, and erases several words, and puts in new ones. Than he hands the paper back to you.*

Havian Trade Agreement


Upon the signing of this agreement, the nations of Havvy and Groznyj will perform the following acts.


1. The nation of Groznyj will trade 50% of it's excess uranium to the nation of Havvy.
2. The nation of Havvy may not make or use uranium weapons.
3. A supply of aquatic fish and all aquatic truglas owned by the government (ready to be cooked) will be sent to the nation of Groznyj from the nation of Havvy.
4. The nation of Groznyj is not allowed to breed truglas for any purpose.
5. Uranium can not be traded by the nation of Havvy, and Truglas can not be traded by the nation of Groznyj.
6. A Groznian military base is allowed to be built on Havaco Military Base.
7. Personal from Groznyj are allowed to travel to and from Havaco Military Base until this trade agreement is repealed or the bill is not reinstated after the bill's time passes.
8. This bill must be reinstated every ten years.

Groznyj Signature ________________

Havian Signature ________________

End Document

"I don't want any excess trading of uranium or trugla. We know we are going to use uranium for peaceful needs, and trugla markets could crash in Havvy is they start getting world-wide, which is unlikely because of laws we have instated to stop that. In fact, you country gets all of the aquatic truglas we plan on selling. Also, I have made the actual things being traded move recognizable. Fifty percent other than just uranium, and all aquatic truglas owned by the government is better stated. If you want to make any more corrections, you may do so with this pencil."

*Hands you his pencil*

OOC: This is a rough draft, and nowhere close to that of an actual bill. Once we agree on it, Mr. Sophrone will ask you to type up a bill since Havvy is computer-less but otherwise functional. *Maybe a business would like to remedy that? Just start a new topic with computer and business in it.*

Anyways, I wrote this up and then the stupid jolt bug came in. I know how to save these threads though, and as such, I have a copy of it. Congrats on post number 400. I bet you feel so special (403 currently).

Anyways, if anybody else wants to make a trade agreement, now is a good time to do so.

This old bump maneuver...

ooc: Here's my map. take note of the scale at the bottom :p http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/3592/mapofgroznyj4gu2.png
The Republic of Groznyj
Department of State

I find your terms more agreeable than before but there's a few things I'd like to point out to you. Our country has a massive amount of uranium in a number of its many mountain ranges. Giving you half of all our uranium reserves would is, to be frank, unacceptable. There is just so much uranium you would be swimming in it..and I'm sure that's not what you'd want *chuckles*. But we are more than willing to trade to you the amount of uranium that you need. I also would like to ask if the Groznian military base can be build on a separate location on Havaco island, unless of course you've named the island Havaco Military Base...but I'm a little confused on that issue. I'm sure there would be a lot less accidents and confusion that way; if we didn't have both our soldiers in the same complex.

On another note, it's fine by us if you don't want us to breed or sell trugla to other nations if it is such a large part of your internal economy. But, taking note of all the uranium we are giving you, and essentially guaranteed protection from invasion/pirates by our navy which will be in the area, I want to ask if your government would find it acceptable to have Groznian based companies sell their products in your country without any of the burdening tariffs you'd find in any other nation.

*takes pencil and scribbles on paper*


Havian Trade Agreement



Upon the signing of this agreement, the nations of Havvy and Groznyj will perform the following acts.


1. The nation of Groznyj will trade as much uranium as is needed to the nation of Havvy.
2. The nation of Havvy may not make or use uranium weapons.
3. A supply of aquatic fish and all aquatic truglas owned by the government (ready to be cooked) will be sent to the nation of Groznyj from the nation of Havvy.
4. The nation of Groznyj is not allowed to breed truglas for any purpose.
5. Uranium can not be traded by the nation of Havvy, and Truglas can not be traded by the nation of Groznyj.
6. A Groznian military base is allowed to be built on Havaco Island with a total land area of no more than 50 sq. mi or 80.5 sq. km.
7. Personal from Groznyj are allowed to travel to and from Havaco Military Base until this trade agreement is repealed or the bill is not reinstated after the bill's time passes.
8. Groznian companies are allowed to sell their products to Havian markets without tariffs.
9. This bill must be reinstated every ten years.

Groznyj Signature ________________

Havian Signature ________________

End Document

Jerry Sophrone

Yes, that does seem reasonable. I don't want to be "swimming in uranium" as you call it. Please type it up ASAP, and feel free to build your base on "Havaco Military Island", which was named to have a military base in the future. Also, I feel a little selfish with the title. When it gets typed, can it possibly be "Havvy-Groznyj Trade Agreement"?

Well, it seems that nobody wants to perform a trade agreement with us. As soon as the nation of Groznyj is happy, we shall be ending this meeting.

Anyways, we allow any and all companies into Havvy without tariff, as all they do is end up hurting the consumer. Hey, you know what. Six years ago, outside business was considered illegal in Havvy? It wasn't a popular idea to keep international business out, so the first president, who resides somewhere in the country repealed the isolationistic laws.

Anyways, tomorrow you want to show me what ships you will be bringing to patrol from pirates in the area and possibly some small blueprints ,but you don't really need to show me the full design. Maybe if your navy has a design, will they be on ships? Tomorrow will be a good day for getting into details about that, since we do have much port traffic in our region.

I am sure though, that your forces will probably just be helping the police that patrols our waters. They manage to make sure that the rest of our port materials make it, or so I've heard.

Anyways, I believe that even though it wasn't entirely a success, it wasn't a failure either. I ask any national delegate leave as they have no further business here, unless it is of that of Groznyj. Any journalists that are here though, are allowed to stay.


OOC: The meeting is over for the day. It will continue tomorrow, but be closed for Groznyj and Havvy personal only. Nobody else knows about what goes on in here except for what journalists want to write on the meeting, if they are here. Journalists can only be here i you have made at least one post in this thread since before I press reply.

I think it's going to basically be a document shown on the NS Wiki and probably a link in my signature. In fact, I'm going to add that right now. I will edit the OP when this finishes to have the outcome of the thread first. It'll let people see a summary.

Anyways, time warp. I'll let the nation of Groznyj have the opening remarks for that. Remember to have the resolution ready to be signed, and the details of your ships.

Ibrahim Karachay

Why certainly. I will inform Farbanti [ooc: Groznyj's capital] right away about our progress and draft a the official documents for you. It shouldn't take long for shipments of uranium to make their way to your shores. Oh that reminds me... would it be alright with you if we brought in some of our technicians and nuclear physicists to share our knowledge of nuclear power? And on that note how about some contractors to build your first nuclear power stations for you? We have a number of very well reputed contractors who have built many facilities in our own nation.

As for the ships to protect shipping, our navy is tied up at the moment defending a colony of ours from possible threat of force by another hostile entity. That entity being Kraven Corp. We've begun a massive overhaul on our navy but the ships will take a while to be built. So for the time being I hope it will be ok that you only see Groznian patrol craft in your waters. I assure you that one we are able we will send a more intimidating force. You can expect mostly destroyers and frigates in the future. Right now we haven't figured out which models to make available for export but once we do we can sell them to you for a fair discount if you wish. Other than that there will be definitely an air force presence and marine presence in your country. Once I get back to my hotel I will get some numbers together.

Aha! I almost forgot...uh..oh yes. How do you feel about sharing embassies?

[OOC]

Embassies: I must know, how do they work?

[IC]

Jerry Sophrone

Alright, that sounds good. If you have any old models (or designs) of ships/airplanes, I'm sure I can buy some of those.

,--No comment on embassies-->

If you really want to bring in your contractors to build a powerplant, go ahead, but we'll be having some of our security forces looking after it. We aren't exactly sure what they'll build, so some of our students who studied nuclear technology would be glad to watch.

Hey, you know what. All this talk about military here, has given me some ideas. I believe I'll be starting up an army in the very distant future.

If possible, the first power plant could be built in Havaco, Havvy's capitol, and well, we have a lot of people there. I was a mayor there 6 years ago.

So, anyways, do you have the document ready to sign yet? I need to sign it today.

ooc: just you have a delegate dude/diplomatic presence in some1 elses nation thats all basically. Like how the US n other countries have embassies in every other nation etc etc. For NS you ussually list how many guards & personell (20-50) name of ambassador, vehicles (1-8), and if you want to be fancy the address in your nation. Thats the ussual numbers and info.

btw really tired so excuse the crappy post

ic:
-day of signing-

Yes here is the document *hands doc.*


Havian-Groznyian Trade Agreement



Upon the signing of this agreement, the nations of Havvy and Groznyj will perform the following acts.


1. The nation of Groznyj will trade as much uranium as is needed by and to the nation of Havvy.
2. The nation of Havvy may not make or use uranium weapons.
3. A supply of aquatic fish and all aquatic truglas owned by the government (ready to be cooked) will be sent to the nation of Groznyj from the nation of Havvy.
4. The nation of Groznyj is not allowed to breed truglas for any purpose.
5. Uranium can not be traded by the nation of Havvy, and Truglas can not be traded by the nation of Groznyj.
6. A Groznian military base is allowed to be built on Havaco Island with a total land area of no more than 50 sq. mi or 80.5 sq. km.
7. Personal from Groznyj are allowed to travel to and from Havaco Military Base until this trade agreement is repealed or the bill is not reinstated after the bill's time passes.
8. Groznian companies are allowed to sell their products to Havian markets without tariffs.
9. Groznian contractors will build a nuclear power plant in the capital of Havvy and share technical knowledge
10. This bill must be reinstated every ten years.

Groznyj Signature Ibrahim Karachay

Havian Signature ________________

End Document

*Signs It* (You may edit your post if you want it to show that)

Jerry Sophrone

Thank you for conducting this trade agreement. Sure, why not have an embassy. I don't have anybody I can really trust right now in your country, but I can't leave mine. I'll let you set one up here though.

Would you like it in my capital, or some other city? I have three main islands. Trazic, Homantor, and Sarmont, that would be suitable for an embassy. Maybe those would be better. In fact, Sarmont might be the best because it is where most of our ships go for trade.

I think your capital would be fine as it is the usual international custom. It has been nice talking with you. Now if you would please excuse me, I have a plane to catch. Oh, and contact us whenever you are ready to send over an ambassador.

ooc: thats it then I guess? nifty!