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I've tested the waters a little, and our survey says yes. This marks the second coming of my Pre-WWII Earth, now reduced three years to become EARTH 1935 for reasons of tech awesomeness.

Ladies and Generalites, I present to you my vision.


1935 technology. Bolt-action rifles, stahlhelms, light tanks and tankettes. Air forces the world over are only just discovering their potential, and the average infantryman fires twenty-five to thirty rounds a minute.

Custom nations, custom technology. It's International Incidents, seventy years earlier.

I fully intend to create my own equipment and forces during this rp, and I think that early tanks have great lineart potential. In my ideal world, every participant in this rp would churn out a little lineart every now and then, and slowly we'd be able to illustrate the reality that we create. Obviously not everyone can or is willing to do lineart, so it's not required.

Anyway. Enough rambling, and on with the show.

What I need from you is a nation name and a claimed area something the size of France, though bigger for exceptions. I also need What Happened to Your Nation After World War One, such as 'Winner', 'Loser', 'Neutral', 'Won, but Ruined Economy', 'Lost and Got Beggared', etc, to create a little background.

Participants

The Appalacians The Imperial Republic of the Appalacians (Venezuela, Guyana, Suriname, French Guiana - Bronze)
Caladonn The Consortium of Holimian Oceanic and Aeronautic Mercantilists (Great Britain, Ireland, Channel Islands, Bermuda, the Carribean, Madagascar, Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Papua New Guinea, New Zealand, Falklands, Malaysia, Philippines, Cape Verde)
Canadstein The Republic of the Great Plains (CO, IA, ID, IL, MN, MT, ND, NE, SD, WI, WY - Teal)
Candistan The United Arabian Sultanate Union (Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, UAE - Sky Blue)
Canland The Empire of Canland (Brazil - Violet)
Carloginias The Republic of Carloginias (Russia - Cream)
Clan Ansu The Empire of Ansuria (Denmark, Germany, Gibraltar - Dark Green)
Constantinalia The Republic of Urcea (North Italy, Switzerland, Seceded areas - Red)
Cortellen The Republic of Cortellen (AL, CT, DE, FL, GA, IN, KY, NC, NJ, NY, MA, MD, ME, MI, MS, OH, PA, RI, SC, TN, VA, VT, WV - Light Green)
Dukarbana The Empire of Patagonia (Argentina, Chile, Galápagos Islands - Dark Orange)
Granate The Ukranian Commonwealth (Ukraine, Moldova, Romania - Dark Turquoise)
GrimWolf The Republic of Pelkäämätön Niellä (Spain, Portugal, Canary
Islands, Azores Islands - Dark Purple)
H-Town Tejas The United Arab Socialist Republic (Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain - Military Green)
HT The Federated Oceanic-Asian Republics (Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Burma, the Solomon Islands, Fiji, New Caledonia, New Hebridies, Australia - Grey Blue)
IDF The Indian Democratic Federation (India - Purple)
Kilani The Grand Republic of Texas (AR, KS, LA, MO, NM, OK, TX - Dull Black)
Lachenburg The Vaal Free State (South Africa, Swaziland, Lesotho, and Botswana - Khaki Green)
Nerotika The European Federation (Poland, Slovakia, Hungary - Light Red)
No Taxes West African Federation (Nigeria, Togo, Benin - Light Orange)
Nor nuin Giliath The Empire of Israel (Israel, Egypt, Cyprus and Somalia - Grey)
Philanchez The Federal Republic of America (Mexico, Central America, Colombia, Ecuador, and the remainder of the Caribbean - Grass Green)
Pyschotika The Empire of Japan (Japan, Korea, Karafuto, Taiwan, Pacific holdings - Dark Red)
Rodenka The Bear Flag Republic (AZ, CA, NV, OR, WA - Mauve)
Shakal The Shakal Empire (Turkey, Bulgaria, Syria - Blue)
Tajikistan The Republic of Tajikistan (Afghanistan, Pakistan, Tajikistan - Sand Yellow)
Terra Incognitia The Republic of Incognitia (France, The Netherlands, Belgium, Mauritius - Yellow)
The Great Monty Python The Federal Republic of Sumakhan (Faroe Islands, Iceland, Norway, Sweden - Brown)
Uaegoslavia The Republic of Uaegoslavia (Niger - Brown)
Voxio The Social Republic of Voxio (Southern Italy, Sardinia, Malta, Corsica, Macadonia, Albania, Greece, Sicily, Tunisia - Light Blue)
WinTrees The Commonwealth of Wintrees (Western Sahara, Mauritania, Mali, Burkina Faso, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Liberia, Sierra Leone, Guinea, Senegal, The Gambia, Guinea-Bissau - Perfect Black)
Zackaroth The Republic of Zackaroth (Cuba, Jamaica, Haiti, Dominican Republic - Turquoise)

NPC NATION Sun China (East China - Deep Orange)

EARTH 1935 MAP (http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/8297/earth1935hq0.png)
Earth 1935 Thread Hub (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12198557#post12198557)
Earth 1935 Factbook Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=513857)

well, I'll be "Angermanland" to avoid confusion [it's illogical as anything, but at least no one will get mixed up]. probably be in south east china there, not sure how big is the right size.

I'd like to be one of those "exceptions" population wise to back up my planned infantry focus, but it's not completely necessary.

I'm going to go with "stayed out of WW1" i thinks, and I'll probably stay away from tanks and mostly ignore the navy.

need to work out the details before i can really write up a fact book or anything though

I'd like Urcea.

My claims:

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b100/NeoMExelor/Urcea.gif

As for the first world war? I was originally Central Powers, but for a questionable deal for a little bit of French land I switched to the Allies. So, I won.

Nice mapping. Welcome to the game.

I'm interested, but my line-art is crap.

I'm interested too, to the extent of MSNing you with irritating questions.

Howdy, and I shall clamber aboard...

I'm interested, but my line-art is crap.

heh. wonder if that rates better than my "non existant"?

i don't think it's Too big of an issue :) [well, i certainly Hope not...]

Fear not, lineart is not required. If you can make up stats for anything you create and give a brief description, it'll be as good as anything else on these boards.

I might suggest asking the kind and generous artists on the Requests forum on LineartInc (http://z13.invisionfree.com/LineartInc/index.php?act=idx) if they would ever so kindly make a little lineart for your creation. Be polite and reverent.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=513680

The Social Republic of Voxio ~ Lost the first world war and entered into a depression as war depts cam in. Fascism swept into power and the King was deposed.

I want southern Italy, Sardinia, Malta, Gibralter,Balearic Islands , Corsica, Macadonia Albania, Greece, and Sicily. This is roughly the size of France, slightly smaller.

Will our recourses and terrain be the same as in real life?

What will our populations be?

All claims granted, welcome to the game. Terrain may be changed, populations may be custom though must be realistic to modern (2007) populations.

Map updated.

Would...

Japan *Including all Pre-WWII Pacific Territories, ie Wake as an example...though you won't have to color all the islands in*
North and South Korea
Sakhalin Island *AKA Karafuto, it is the Russian island north of Japan*
Taiwan

If that's okay...as for a history, I'll post that in a bit.

Seems my plan to be France will have me right in the middle of the action.

Called Incognitia. Winner from WWI. Even rid herself of some troublesome minority-populated territories, going to Urcea.
While she lost substantial numbers of men in WWI, a willingness to sit on the defensive rather than mount massive offensives helped keep casualties down until new tactics were developed which could make progress. A focus on mobility has resulted in land doctrine - tanks and motorised infantry are central, along with air support, and the aim is never to become bogged down in an attritional slug-fest.

Terrain is as IRL, population is somewhat higher for the period (RL France had a lot less population growth in the industrial revolution than Britain and Germany. I'm assuming it was instead comparable, giving an equivalent population to Germany, i.e. about 60 million people). Level of industrialisation is equivalent with Britain IRL at the time.
All approximate, of course.

Psychotika added as the Empire of Japan, with all bells and whistles.
Terror Incognitia added as Incognitia.

The Empire of Ansuria

An aggressor and the major loser of World War One, Ansuria was devolved into a collection of member states under the Treaty of Versailles. Her economy was crippled by colossal compensation payments to the Allies, and restrictions were placed upon her military.

Following a period of violent political instability, the radical politician Mardos Duran Surel rose to power on a wave of nationalistic fervor. His party, the National-Libertarian Ansurian Workers Party, swamped competitors at the polls in 1933 with promises of individual freedom, food and work for the common man.

Under Surel's leadership, Ansuria has regained it's status as an economic power, while still maintaining the conditions imposed upon it in 1919.

(Sudetenland ceded, Rheinland demilitarised and 100,000-man army. No tanks, no aircraft.)

Can we have the Faroe Islands? I'll post a history or something later.

I will take eather Brazil or the Eastern U.S.

Only the Faroe islands? It's your call.

Cortellen, I'll let you have the Eastern US. I needed to break up the States, and this is the perfect opportunity.

Ok. Before I start writing things up for it where is my border? The Mississippi? East of the Mississippi?

I'm just putting it into the map. You have everything east of the 'sippi except for Wisconsin and Illinois.

Only the Faroe islands? It's your call.

Wait... I'll have Iceland, Norway, Sweden and Finland as well, if that's OK?

We'll be called "Gump's Homeland". (EDIT: Now changed to "The Federal Republic of Sumakhan")

Thanks.

No Finland for you, for your silly name.

Is it alright if I say the US was compleate until 1920 when disputes over the election it split into a Second Civil War which had ended by 1922 with Cortellen controling the east?

Yes.

No Finland for you, for your silly name.

What if I change it to "The Federal Republic of Sumakhan"? :)

(Even if I don't get Finland, I'll change it anyway)

Ok. So WWI the USA lead by Willson helped the Allied powers and went through the peace realitivly unchanged. Post WW I has not been so good. When Willson went for a third term in 1920 outrage broke out compounded by severe dislike for his opponant. By November 1920 the US was in a Civil War and had broken into several factions. By March 1922 the east was controlled by the force that called themselves Cortellen and Cortellen had reached a stalemate on the Mississippi so they called a truce.

Leaving the war vauge so I can work it out with the people who claim the rest of the US.

What if I change it to "The Federal Republic of Sumakhan"? :)

(Even if I don't get Sweden or Finland, I'll change it anyway)

You don't get Finland, but you do recieve a congratulatory cookie. Please allow 28 days for delivery.

Ok. So WWI the USA lead by Willson helped the Allied powers and went through the peace realitivly unchanged. Post WW I has not been so good. When Willson went for a third term in 1920 outrage broke out compounded by severe dislike for his opponant. By November 1920 the US was in a Civil War and had broken into several factions. By March 1922 the east was controlled by the force that called themselves Cortellen and Cortellen had reached a stalemate on the Mississippi so they called a truce.

Leaving the war vauge so I can work it out with the people who claim the rest of the US.

Nice going.

On another note, here's a couple of basic linearts for early 1930s tanks which I knocked together today.

Tank 1 (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y63/Verghastinsel/Clan%20Ansu/Pz1.jpg)
Panzer I knockoff. Tiny turret with a single .303 MMG, supported by badly-angled secondary .303 MMG in the right hull. 14mm frontal armour is sufficient for protection against unprepared infantry.

Tank 2 (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y63/Verghastinsel/Clan%20Ansu/Pz2.jpg)
Up-gunned version of the first. A new turret allows for the mounting of a 37mm gun with coaxial .303 MMG. A third .303 MMG has been placed at the front of the hull, to allow for more killage.

One tankette and one light tank, both built on the same chassis. The light tank is rather poor even for it's class, and won't stand up to a shot from anything bigger than a .30cal.

OOC: http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1184/uglyducklingvt3.png

I'll lineart me some tanks up soon.

Can I have the New England States, Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, Deleware, Maine and Ontario Province just to throw a monkey wrench into Cortellen's plan's? ;)

Kilani, you'll have to speak with him about that.

I saw your ship on LineArt, Const. Good start.

I would like to have the Ukraine, Moldova, and Romania. I also have written a history that could be used here, if I redid bits of it.

We will call ourselves the Ukranian Commonwealth. We were nominally neutral throughout World War One, providing slight assistance to both the Allies and Central Powers.

Im interested and would like to claim Turkey, Bulgaria and Syria.
I wll be called the "Shakal Empire" for simplistic pruposes.

If I can ill start the weapons designs.

Both accepted, just editing the map now.

Please, design to your heart's content. Remember the almost non-existence of semi-auto rifles at this time.

There must have been an error with my origional post. It was supposed to read:
"I want southern Italy, Sardinia, Malta, Tunisia, Corsica, Macadonia Albania, Greece, and Sicily."

I had removed the Balearic Islands and Gibralter because I decided I did not want them and because I could not fit them into my story. I also added Tunisia. I guess when I edited the post it didn't go through or something.

Tnisia is an important part of the claim for me.

History of The Federal Republic of Sumakhan

Winner- Norway lost money in WW1.

Due to Sweden's neutrallity, (of which The Federal Republic of Sumakhan had power in), Sweden kept some money and used it to help Norway, but only if it was part of Sumakhan.

In the Act of Union, signed December 1, 1918, got Iceland and the Faroe Islands thier own flag, but only if they were also part of Sumakhan. By this time, the Repuplic tried to form a trade route between Malmo, in Sweeden, and Coppenhagen, in Denmark (Clan Ansu: is this OK?) and this formed a strong partnership between Sumakhan and Ansuria.

Since the Act of Union, the Republic has spent it's time building up a powerful navy (ships and stuff to be hopefully LineArted later) and strengthening the Sweden/Norway/Finland border.

The total population of the Republic is 4,414,290 citizens.

...Tunisia is an important part of the claim for me.

No problem.

Monty, good relations are always welcome.

Both accepted, just editing the map now.

Please, design to your heart's content. Remember the almost non-existence of semi-auto rifles at this time.

Ok JUST EXHALE THE STRESS

I was wondering if I could have the countries of Sadui Araba and the two countries underneath it, Oman and Yemen?

Can I have the New England States, Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, Deleware, Maine and Ontario Province just to throw a monkey wrench into Cortellen's plan's? ;)

I will let you make off with Ontario. I am having the capitol of Cortellen by New York City so there goes New York and I have plans for the New English States so there goes them as well. But I didnt have Ontario in the first place so you can have it.

Map updated, Zackaroth and others added.

I hate to do this but can I exchange my three countries for CUba, Jamacia and Hati/Domincan republic?

No problem.

HISTORY OF THE SHAKAL EMPIRE

WWI-Lost

The Shakal Empire had its origins in 1800 A.D. They soon became distasteful of Turkish atrocities and rebelled in Syria in 1817. It managed to secure independence by 1819 and waited calmly for a time.

In 1891 the Shakal attacked the Turks that had raided one of their convoys starting a year long war in which the Shakal were victorious. In 1908 When tensions flew high in Europe the Shakal declared another war on the Ottomans and managed to pull another victoy with the help of Persia and the states just south of Shakal as they fought for their independence. Bulgaria joined the Shakal in a union. They remained two seperate entities for a time, but eventually the Shakal managed to gain control of the alliance renaming it the Shakal Empire.

During WWI it sided with Germany and Austria. Losing, but it was treated kindly because of its healthy relations with Britain.

After the war it slowly began to secure its favour in the middle east with the creation of the Middle Eastern Defence Force. Its a troop of 50 000 men that are sent to the highest Middle Eastern bidder. (While secureing Shakal interests of course) Giving it the favour of Persia and Arabia. Its plans are directed to economic revival and military power in the Middle East.

Total Population Of the Shakal Empire:16. 3 Million

I will let you make off with Ontario. I am having the capitol of Cortellen by New York City so there goes New York and I have plans for the New English States so there goes them as well. But I didnt have Ontario in the first place so you can have it.

Nertz. Guess I'll take...this!

Mappage (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y77/havoc88/grt.jpg)

Behold the Greater Republic of Texas (Or simply the Republic of Texas).

The Republic of Texas was one of the first to break away from the Union during the Second American Civil War. Remembering how it had gone last time, they refused to join with the rest of the "Confederacy" and instead struck deals with or, simply by virtue of being the only ones with organized military and police forces, annexxed surrounding states. It fought the Corellen to a stand-still along the Mississippii River, although the struggle has left them exhausted while they struggle to rebuild their military forces and provide for their citizens.

It is indeed still a Republic at heart, as it maintains a constitution. However, it's mlitar yand central government are strong and they work to maintain order in the area. One of their main economic booms is oil, as they own all of the Texas oilfields. They are currently working on building a navy for use in the Carribean and are seeking deals with the Zackarothians.



Cortellen...which one of us owns New Orleans, as that is right on the Mississippii?

HISTORY OF THE SHAKAL EMPIRE

The Shakal Empire had its origins in 1800 A.D. After Napoleon invaded Syria and was repelled the Shakal general was punished for not pursueing him and secureing glory. They soon became distasteful of Turkish atrocities and rebelled in Syria in 1817. It managed to secure independence by 1819 and waited calmly for a time.

In 1891 the Shakal attacked the Turks that had raided one of their convoys starting a year long war in which the Shakal were victorious. In 1908 When tensions flew high in Europe the Shakal declared another war on the crumbling Ottomans and captured all of Turkey itself.

In 1913 the Shakal invaded Bulgaria and took total cotrol over the country. This led to an uneasy relationship in the balkans.

During WWI it remained neutral, but was clearly in favour of Germany and Austria. It was on their side in all but name and troops.

After the war it slowly began to secure its favour in the middle east with the creation of the Middle Eastern Defence Force. Its a troop of 50 000 men that are sent to the highest Middle Eastern bidder. (While secureing Shakal interests of course) Giving it the favour of Persia and Arabia.

Total Population Of the Shakal Empire:16. 3 Million


Hate to say it, but the Russians wouldn't have stood by and watched some upstarts take over Bulgaria.

well, I'll be "Angermanland" to avoid confusion [it's illogical as anything, but at least no one will get mixed up]. probably be in south east china there, not sure how big is the right size.

I'd like to be one of those "exceptions" population wise to back up my planned infantry focus, but it's not completely necessary.

I'm going to go with "stayed out of WW1" i thinks, and I'll probably stay away from tanks and mostly ignore the navy.

need to work out the details before i can really write up a fact book or anything though

completely agreed.

My history I had written was about 4 - 5 good paragraphs long and I wasn't even half-way done with it. I'll just give you a basic rundown for now

1504 A.D. Kiev breaks away from Czarist Russia. Tensions remain high for the rest of the next two centuries.

1575 A.D. Kiev gains control over the area which we now call Ukraine. Resistance remains in sporadic numbers on the Crimean for the next decade.

1645. The Ukraine, as it now calls itself, invades and assimilates the Duchy of Moldova.

1698 - 1745. The Five Rumanian - Ukrainian Wars. All, but one, ended in a Ukrainian Victory. By 1746 almost all of Romania was under Ukrainian Control.

1787. The Ukraine renames itself the Ukrainian Commonwealth and begins work on a Constitution. The Duke of Kiev would still hold a lot of power.

1789. The Ukrainian Commonwealth Ratifies the Constitution and names the Duke of Kiev Grand President. This posistion was passed on within the Duke's Family. A Parliament was enacted with limited powers to form laws and raise troops.

1914 - 1918. The Commonwealth stays neutral in the great war and plays both sides for profits. The economy booms for a year, then returns to pre-war normals.

That pretty much covers it.

I'm thinking about claiming some sort of British Empire type thing... Britain certainly, and probably some colonies.

Nertz. Guess I'll take...this!

Mappage (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y77/havoc88/grt.jpg)

Behold the Greater Republic of Texas (Or simply the Republic of Texas).

The Republic of Texas was one of the first to break away from the Union during the Second American Civil War. Remembering how it had gone last time, they refused to join with the rest of the "Confederacy" and instead struck deals with or, simply by virtue of being the only ones with organized military and police forces, annexxed surrounding states. It fought the Corellen to a stand-still along the Mississippii River, although the struggle has left them exhausted while they struggle to rebuild their military forces and provide for their citizens.

It is indeed still a Republic at heart, as it maintains a constitution. However, it's mlitar yand central government are strong and they work to maintain order in the area. One of their main economic booms is oil, as they own all of the Texas oilfields. They are currently working on building a navy for use in the Carribean and are seeking deals with the Zackarothians.



Cortellen...which one of us owns New Orleans, as that is right on the Mississippii?

How about we split it? We will say heavy fighting in and around the city caused part of the truce to be we share the city. Sound good?

Hate to say it, but the Russians wouldn't have stood by and watched some upstarts take over Bulgaria.

I would have to say that whole history runs along the lines you started. During WW I the Ottomans were not crumbling. Also to have Turkey part of a neutral country the entire war would have been different.

You also forget the russians would have a hard time getting to Bulgaria with The Ukrainian Commonwealth in the way.

How about we split it? We will say heavy fighting in and around the city caused part of the truce to be we share the city. Sound good?

Works for me.

Works for me.
Ok cool.

I'd like to take the Bear Flag Republic.

Another of the main countries to break off during the aftermath of the Second American Civil War, the Bear Flag Republic is composed of a good portion of the western United States. THe creators of thsi country were fortunate enough to not have to do too much heavy fighting with any opponent and have established a rather prosperous nation along the Pacfic coast as well as further inland. They are heavily agricultural, with thriving farms in California's Central and Imperial Valleys, while the North-west has an extensive logging industry.

More to come later.

Map of the US so far. (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c115/milo1047/USmap.jpg)

I will take up any states left in America, but no Utah. So I want Montana, the Dakotas, Wyoming, Colorado, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, and Idaho to form the Republic of the Great Plains.

I'd like to take the Bear Flag Republic.

Another of the main countries to break off during the aftermath of the Second American Civil War, the Bear Flag Republic is composed of a good portion of the western United States. THe creators of thsi country were fortunate enough to not have to do too much heavy fighting with any opponent and have established a rather prosperous nation along the Pacfic coast as well as further inland. They are heavily agricultural, with thriving farms in California's Central and Imperial Valleys, while the North-west has an extensive logging industry.

More to come later.

Map of the US so far. (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c115/milo1047/USmap.jpg)
Close but no cigar. I do not control WI or IL

completely agreed.

... what bit are you agreeing with? *puzzlement goes here*

Hate to say it, but the Russians wouldn't have stood by and watched some upstarts take over Bulgaria.

Sry ill revise it.

Is there anyway that I can claim Russia? Most of the land is rather useless anyway.. (And if I can't, then I want the land west of the Urals ((Capital, Moscow, Territory)) )

I revised the history and I hope it works better for you now.

I think it looks plausable. Highly unlikely but plausable.

Is there anyway that I can claim Russia? Most of the land is rather useless anyway.. (And if I can't, then I want the land west of the Urals ((Capital, Moscow, Territory)) )

well, I'm pretty sure the bulk of the [pre ww2] SU is unclaimed, and what is seems to be mostly... not Russia, if i remember rightly.

so probably [though i don't have the final say, obviously.]

as for if there's a way to claim it or not... yes. yes there is. it's called saying "I'll take Russia, if i may?" :D

Can I have Israel, Egypt, Cyprus and Tasmania?

Tasmania?

that's kind of random.... being way off down by Australia and all.

or was that meant to be something else?

Tasmania?

that's kind of random.... being way off down by Australia and all.

or was that meant to be something else?

I was thinking the same thing...

Russia and Israel/Egypt added, map and text updated.

Get ready with your factbooks, people. We start tomorrow.

Hey Cort i think your playing the US right? Or a part of it. When could I say Cuba overthrew US occupation? I sort of wanted to to create a small carrbien empire thing.

Hey Cort i think your playing the US right? Or a part of it. When could I say Cuba overthrew US occupation? I sort of wanted to to create a small carrbien empire thing.

Proably during the 1920-22 Second American Civil War.

I claim India

My plan is to turn it into a Naval power :D

Revised USA Map (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c115/milo1047/USAmap.jpg)

Empire of the Rising Sun

The Bold History of the God-like Emperor and his Proud People

In Recent Times...

During what was to be known as the 'Great War', the Japanese People were apathetic over takeing place in such a Western War of Grievance. It was not their place to take part in what Europe wanted done, and as such it would not be up to Europe as to what the Empire would do. However, Japan played it's part in what would dub them in the near future as a mutual Participant-power in the 'Great Trench War'.

The Emperor's Creed

The Dawn of a New Century meant many good things to come for the Empire. It was a time of Celebration as always for when the New Year came to be, and it was time for a meanwhile peace. But that was not to last...

To be born is to be a-new, to be killed is to be an-end. But...what happens when the end only seems to be set a-new?

The Emperor reigned Supreme, and the Japanese people and other out-laying territories were just fine with it. They felt safe, they felt like they were a chosen people. Sure, there was dissent, there was feeling in even the Ryukyu's to try and resist a fairly young rule. But there was nothing serious, in the eyes of the people atleast. Yet, the Emperor's Supreme Rule could not rule over death. He may issue it's warrent, order that it's whim be forced upon those who oppose, but he may not seek and end, he may not seek death him self and see who or what will come next.

The New Century was a joyous time, many Westerners had brought with them a very 'Christian' Calendar throughout the years. Of course, many people refered to the Japanese Calendar but why not introduce a new tradition? The Empire was open to foreigners, to help enlarge it's grasp on the world...especially the West. A bloody war had been put to rest shortly before over Karafuto, and seperately Taiwan. There was a loose control over portions of Korea, but it seemed that Japan was slowly going to lose it's grip of power over the Joseon people. What would happen next would only ensure that.

OOC Well I sort of crapped out for the big big part, but I'll get that through. After that, everything will be pretty simple 'Year' 'Yay event'.

I claim India

My plan is to turn it into a Naval power :D

That's my plan too :mad:

My factbook. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=513828)
(Rough-cut.)
I'm open to objections from Caladonn, since my history obviously affects his. Any suggestions on other aspects are welcome.

The first ship from the Samukahn Navy:

Ship 1 (http://img126.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ship1kx3.png)
This was one of the first designs for ships in the original navy, but over time the ships have been upgraded. Now there are two .303 MMGs (front and back) with 6 SARs (Samukahn Automatic Rifles) and 2 S-32/36 Sniper Rifles on ethier side that are detachable. There are 50 of these ships in the Samukahn Navy currently, and they take 20 men per ship to run.

Also, I didn't read this:

Terrain may be changed, populations may be custom though must be realistic to modern (2007) populations.

So I am changing the republic's population to 13,974,050 people.

The Texas thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12191454#post12191454)

I'd like to join this in light of recent developments in the War of 1940 thread. It became a war of Ezaltia wins thread.

I'd like to join this in light of recent developments in the War of 1940 thread. It became a war of Ezaltia wins thread.

Nothing screws an RP like someone using weapons from the future.

Welcome!

Thanks. Does anyone know if Venezuela has discovered oil at this point? I wasn't sure if they did or not.

Thanks. Does anyone know if Venezuela has discovered oil at this point? I wasn't sure if they did or not.

Yeah, they have :). I'm guessing you want Venezuela?

Thanks a lot, Monty. I'd like Venezuela, Guyana, Suriname, and French Guiana if possible. During World War I, I remained neutral and economically am booming as a result of recent oil production.

I believe it has: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Venezuela#20th_century

And here's some crappy lineart from me!

Liberty Mk.I (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y77/havoc88/libertymk1.jpg)

The Liberty Mark 1 is the first home-grown tank made for the Army of Texas. Although it has a high profile, much of it's rear area is dedicated to an engine and fuel tanks. Although this does make fire a danger, it has a long range and can move relatively quickly. It is armed with a co-axial .306 machine-gun and a 20mm autocannon in the turret, with a second .306 machine-gun in the hull. Experiments with anti-tank rifles led the designers to place an armored skirt over the tracks at the sides. Wether this will help remains to be seen.

It's armor is light, enough to withstand machine-gun and rifle fire. However, it is not proof against anything higher in caliber then 20mm.

A second version, the Liberty Mk. 1a is upgunned to a 37mm cannon.

Thanks a lot, Monty. I'd like Venezuela, Guyana, Suriname, and French Guiana if possible. During World War I, I remained neutral and economically am booming as a result of recent oil production.

Think we could be trade partners? We're right across the Carribean from you.

I've just created a quite basic factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12191840). Any suggestions/ideas for improvement will be welcome!

The Republic of Appalacia added. Welcome to our world, hope there's a satisfactory level of godmoding :D
I've given you the two remaining Carribean islands. I can't be bothered to look up the names, but they're yours.

All nations without a prefix have become 'The Republic of'. Please specify if another prefix is desired.
NOTE: China is an imperial nation, not a Republic, and I will be asking Angermanland as to his wishes on a prefix. This matter is in hand.

A factbook thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12191877#post12191877) has been created. Please post the URL of your factbook on this thread, and I will edit it into the first post for easy reference. Keep a note of this thread.

I just would like some comments on my factbook. It's not finished, oh heavens no. I have yet to finish writing the History. Any comments are welcomed.

I just would like some comments on my factbook. It's not finished, oh heavens no. I have yet to finish writing the History. Any comments are welcomed.

Looks good to me. A bit of military info would be good.

Working on that and my history.

So I want Montana, the Dakotas, Wyoming, Colorado, Nebraska, Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Illinois, and Idaho to form the Republic of the Great Plains. I have posted this again since it seems like people ignored it.

Pyschotika, my fact book is currently a bit of a work in progress, but i made mention of historic conflicts between our nations over Korea, basically a "we fight over it periodically, but neither ever manages to push through and into the other's main territory, and Usually (though not alway) the aggressor has lost"

generally a "relations between Sun China and the Empire of Japan vary, and change at least as often as one or the other changes rulers" kind of situation.

it can be changed if you have objections, of course.

The Republic of Appalacia added. Welcome to our world, hope there's a satisfactory level of godmoding
I've given you the two remaining Carribean islands. I can't be bothered to look up the names, but they're yours.

All nations without a prefix have become 'The Republic of'. Please specify if another prefix is desired.

I am the Imperial Republic of the Appalacians.

Think we could be trade partners? We're right across the Carribean from you.

Sure. Also, I'll have a factbook up ASAP.

I'll like to claim Brazil as my territory to form the Empire of Canland

In WWI my nation was on the losing side,as a result has become isolated from the world and has been developing a military ever since.

Could I have Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, and Bahrain as the United Arab Socialist Republic? I'll work on a factbook if my claims are okay.

Stayed neutral during WWI.

Revised USA Map (http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c115/milo1047/USAmap.jpg)

Again close but no cigar. I do own MI.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mississippi

Again close but no cigar. I do own MI.

Do you own Illinois?

Do you own Illinois?

Everything east of the Mississippi except Illinois and Wisconson.

Canadstein, Canland and H-Town Tejas added. RP will begin proper tomorrow, guys. Get some skeleton factbooks up and post them on the Factbook Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=513857).

Hrm.. okay, should I just make a seperate topic for a factbook and then place the URL in my signature? (Can someone tell me how to access my signature on this board?)

Following Russia's defeat in WWI, and the loss of vast ammounts of territory in Eastern Europe, The Russian Empire took on a political isolationist policy contacting only the closest of the countries in the area.

In 1918, the Russian Czar Ivan Theologious was overthrown by the hugely popular Carloginian political party, which pledged to bring sanity to the nation of Russia, and also pledged to stop Europe from erupting into a new age of tyranny, whilst secretly in the dark chamber halls where the party's leaders discuss national issues discuss "Going Shopping" on some of the near-by nations that could easily fall under the rule of the new: Russian Imperium.

The Carloginian Party appointed a man by the name of Haylius Yelsinki as the new Russian "President" with dictorial powers. The main goals of the new government were, and continue to be in quanalogical order:

1. Military Might-- MAJORLY including the training of the soldiers
2. Roads and better infrastructure
3. Economic Status-- Main goal is getting the petroleum from central and eastern Europe by use of the trans-siberian rail-way.
4. Foreign Affairs

On that note, the Carloginian military build-up plans were very successful. The army focuses primarily on ground-forces and light tanks; however many Russian scientists are looking to the air as a new form of war-fare.

There has been limited success on the note of the petroluem, but the government promises that the recources will be harvested.

Lately, Russia has declared an interest to meet with some of the Eastern European and Asian Powers.

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Population: 150,000,000 (Basis for this census is that my government isin't ruled by Stalin, nor has WWII happened yet.)
Number of People enlisted in the military: 1.3million men (Being upped too 3.6million, being completed rather quickly)
Number of Tanks: 10,000
Number of Front-Line Planes: 5,000

Tell me if you all have a problem with the numbers.. I am using what the Russian Red Army had Pre-WWII.

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Current Relations with:

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Current Government Acts:

The Population Increase Package:

In order to stimulate a Carloginian Russia's growth to a maximum poetential, The Carloginian government has begun paying Russians to have intercourse for children. To claim the money, you must present your off-spring at a Russian baby-station that will come up around your community. This is designed to make some of the poorer Russians, have a better life within our country.

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CNN (Carloginian News Network)

Current Affairs: Regarding the new Act enacted by the government, a certain price has not yet been given on how much will be given per child.

CNN NEWS:

A major draft has occured over all of Russia after hearing reports from diplomats that possible military action could occur from the South, North, and perhaps the West

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Something like that could count as a fact-book, right?

No.
And you population couldn't be that high. Currently Russia's population is that and since this takes place 71 years in the past, I doubt they had that many back then.

I believe you would have 150 million plus, as you did suffer from a civil war, nor did you have massive killings. Call it more like 160 million.

I believe you would have 150 million plus, as you did suffer from a civil war, nor did you have massive killings. Call it more like 160 million.
Uhhh Russia's population today is 142 Million. I doubt they lost people over that time.

Yeah, I was wondering that thank-you for clarifying Kiliani. The baby-act was something in relation to what might be happeneing in today's world.

Yes, but Stalin killed 20 million people, it was also reported that 20million civilian died from the result of WWII which hasen't yet happened on this Earth..

Yes, but Stalin killed 20 million people, it was also reported that 20million civilian died from the result of WWII which hasen't yet happened on this Earth..

Also don't forget that some of those peopel were Belerus, Azerbaijan, the Ukraine, the Baltic States, ect. Yea.

But 90% of those 40 million+ people were Russian. I would say closer to 150 million though.

Also my fact book is at http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12193279#post12193279

Uhhh Russia's population today is 142 Million. I doubt they lost people over that time.

Actually, Russia's population has been declining for some time.

Carloginias, I'm not going to comment on the fact book it's self.

[my own population, even after taking a Smaller percentage of modern china's than was being used for other nations, is roughly 1 billion :S]

but yes, that is meant to go in it's own thread, and i believe Ansu started a thread specifically for linking them in [so you don't have to clutter your sig] to which there is a link within the last couple of pages or so.

The only one of those who had any real population was Ukraine.. hrm I need a census.

EDIT: I think 150,000,000 is appropriate..

Anyone know where I can find Censuses per state for the US?

sadly, no.. but i do know this: we're not even sure if there Is a canada [no one's claimed it] for your nation to initiate contact with...

and to precede someone is to come before them. i think you wanted to say your current ruler "succeeded" [only spelled right if that's not it] the previous one. a successor, you see, is one who comes after.

I've lost track of how many times i see things like that [ancestor/descendant is another common mix up]

You would have to deflate the population some, but Wiki might work.

sadly, no.. but i do know this: we're not even sure if there Is a canada [no one's claimed it] for your nation to initiate contact with...

and to precede someone is to come before them. i think you wanted to say your current ruler "succeeded" [only spelled right if that's not it] the previous one. a successor, you see, is one who comes after.

I've lost track of how many times i see things like that [ancestor/descendant is another common mix up]

Ah shit. I was thinking successor but wrote down preceded.

Hmmm...still enough time for me to get into the game?

Game starts tommorrow, so you can still issue your claims.

Name: The Empire of Patagonia
Claims: Argentina, Chile, and the Galapagos Islands
WW1 Background: Neutral

I'll get to work on a factbook.

Tasmania?

that's kind of random.... being way off down by Australia and all.

or was that meant to be something else?

I just realise that... So can I change Tasmania to Somalia? And I would like to change my nation's name to 'Empire of Israel'. Thanks.

I would like to be the United Arab Republics, containing Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Oman, and the UAE

I just realise that... So can I change Tasmania to west Australia? And I would like to change my nation's name to 'Empire of Israel'. Thanks.

Claiming Western Australia carries the same problem of total randomness as Tasmania does...

well, it's a Little less random to claim west Australia as a colony than it is to claim Tasmania...

but yeah, still pretty random :D

well, it's a Little less random to claim west Australia as a colony than it is to claim Tasmania...

but yeah, still pretty random :D

Modded to Somalia, thanks for pointing out.

I'll post my history today. I feel I gotta work on it a bit more.

*Updated Factbook*

my fact book is mostly done, but still needs some work and I'm... kinda sick.

end result: i might finish it today.. i might not finish it until i get over this bug, whatever it is.

just in case anyone was wondering.

skeleton Factbook's up: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12196031#post12196031

What kind of price am I getting for Guiana? (speaking as France :P)
What you've got looks good, I'd like to see population stats, and military stats.

Population and military stats are to come soon. You can tell me with how much money you want for Guiana, I'll pay.

I'm having a bit of trouble finding population information about any of my countries. Should I just estimate?

Just to clear up something. No one owns Utah, so maybe it's just a independent country called Republic of Deseret. I don't know because it's kind of unusual to have a open territory in the middle of America.

Are we allowed to start today?

Im interested. How does Mexico, Central America, Colombia, Ecuador, and the remainder of the Caribbean sound? Also, I will be known as La República Federal de America. If you need someone to vouch for me then ask Caladonn.

I haven't seen you on AV in ages..

Av?

Im interested. How does Mexico, Central America, Colombia, Ecuador, and the remainder of the Caribbean sound? Also, I will be known as La República Federal de America. If you need someone to vouch for me then ask Caladonn.

It sounds like its too much.

I have a thread up for the other American factions.

It sounds like its too much.

not when you consider how useless most of it is... desert and jungle.

not to mention most of the Caribbean has already been claimed, if i remember rightly.

he's basically taking Mexico and a load of useless crap who's only real advantage is that it includes the panama canal.

Earth AV, you are the United Catholic Empire on that game.. your name is on the list as being there.

not when you consider how useless most of it is... desert and jungle.

not to mention most of the Caribbean has already been claimed, if i remember rightly.

he's basically taking Mexico and a load of useless crap who's only real advantage is that it includes the panama canal.

Not his South American picks. They aren't useless crap.

I think he should just get his central America and Mexico claims, as they are more legitimate looking than him adding his South American claims.

I think he should just get his central America and Mexico claims, as they are more legitimate looking than him adding his South American claims.

Agreed.

I think he should just get his central America and Mexico claims, as they are more legitimate looking than him adding his South American claims.

Considering that I have nearly two years experience at this and the fact that at this point in time, no matter what I do to those nations I am not going to all of a sudden be a world power, I don't think it's too much. Especialy if you consider the state of the global economy and the fact that most of these nations are tin-pot dictatorships currently or under the hegemony of the now non-existent united States of America. No I don't think it is too much.

Knock off Ecuador and I think it would be fine.

Knock off Ecuador and I think it would be fine.

Meh. Whatever, ya'll can have Ecuador. I'll just get it back later anyway.

Considering that I have nearly two years experience at this and the fact that at this point in time, no matter what I do to those nations I am not going to all of a sudden be a world power, I don't think it's too much. Especialy if you consider the state of the global economy and the fact that most of these nations are tin-pot dictatorships currently or under the hegemony of the now non-existent united States of America. No I don't think it is too much.

We were not putting your experience into question. My reasons against this is how many things I can think of that you could do with that much land, add that to the fact that you would have the largest country except for Russia which is almost compleatly worthless shit.

We were not putting your experience into question. My reasons against this is how many things I can think of that you could do with that much land, add that to the fact that you would have the largest country except for Russia which is almost compleatly worthless shit.

*points to Caladonn and several other nations that are large considering the valuable lands they contain*

*points to Caladonn and several other nations that are large considering the valuable lands they contain*

So you are saying that we should have tiny countries if we haven't made ten thousand posts on here and our countries have usable resources and we should have large countries if we have made ten thousand posts and we can try to slip by with saying "well there is lots of useless crap there"

not to mention Sun China which is a far bigger menace due to it's insane population *laughs*

seriously, go look at my fact book [which is perfectly legit] before objecting to his large claim.

with out the population to back it up, large claims mean weaker defenses, that's all.

and yeah, the now defunct USA would be bigger, and nastier, than that collection.

I have a defense called "Nearly permenante Winter" :P

Just so everyone knows. The Ukrainian Commonwealth is a Psuedo-Alliance. It a Ukrainian Lead Alliance that only works to help the Ukraine. On the Outside it looks like each state has autonomy, while infact they have limited autonomy.

So you are saying that we should have tiny countries if we haven't made ten thousand posts on here and our countries have usable resources and we should have large countries if we have made ten thousand posts and we can try to slip by with saying "well there is lots of useless crap there"

What the hell is a large piece of jungle with no inhabitants gonna do me any good. I want the crappy land because it makes for a good RP experience. It makes you more aggressive and forces you to be a conniving bastard when it comes to foreign relations. You guys don't seem to understand that just because a nation is big does not mean it is almighty. THAT is where the experience comes in. Ten thousand posts count for nothing if they are made up of god-modding and bullshit. There are plenty of people who can vouch for me INCLUDING Caladonn, Angermanland, and Terror Incognita, who have seen me RP countless times. I have a region that I created that can vouch for me. It has RPers who have made triple or even quadruple the amount of substansive posts that most RPers around your nations age have made. It is not a matter of nation age, or post count. It is a matter of what you do with those posts. If you have made enough of an impression on a group of people for them to be involved in most anything you do or for them to decide to join an RP purely because you are in it, then that is what matters. It is what I'm doing with Caladonn, Anger, and Terror currently, I saw them in it and I decided that it must be a good RP.

What the hell is a large piece of jungle with no inhabitants gonna do me any good. I want the crappy land because it makes for a good RP experience. It makes you more aggressive and forces you to be a conniving bastard when it comes to foreign relations. You guys don't seem to understand that just because a nation is big does not mean it is almighty. THAT is where the experience comes in. Ten thousand posts count for nothing if they are made up of god-modding and bullshit. There are plenty of people who can vouch for me INCLUDING Caladonn, Angermanland, and Terror Incognita, who have seen me RP countless times. I have a region that I created that can vouch for me. It has RPers who have made triple or even quadruple the amount of substansive posts that most RPers around your nations age have made. It is not a matter of nation age, or post count. It is a matter of what you do with those posts. If you have made enough of an impression on a group of people for them to be involved in most anything you do or for them to decide to join an RP purely because you are in it, then that is what matters. It is what I'm doing with Caladonn, Anger, and Terror currently, I saw them in it and I decided that it must be a good RP.

Ok. I will step down simply on how you went about this. To tell the truth I wanted to see how you would react to this. This last post convinces me.

Ok Philanchez makes a very valid point. Most of those regions at this time are barely industrialized.

And this post is no longer needed....

That only took forever. Now I can go about making a factbook. Thanks for distracting me! :D

That only took forever. Now I can go about making a factbook. Thanks for distracting me! :D

Anytime. I look forward to roleplaying with you.

If you didn't see my post, you can rp the nations Cortellen. More info in the actual topic.

If you didn't see my post, you can rp the nations Cortellen. More info in the actual topic.

Just looking for the state of the millitary for them.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=514025

That is alongside my original claim. If somone can find me a site that has historic pops of all those nations so I can get a pop then please post it.

Sorry for the inconvenience, but I am changing My claims name from the United Arab Republics to the United Arabian Sultanate Union

The Federated Oceanic-Asian Republics

Claimed: Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Burma, the Solomon Islands, Fiji, New Caledonia, New Hebridies, Australia.

After the First World War, Australia was one of the victors - and, indeed, one of the main reasons for victory, almost a million combatants coming from Australia to serve in the First World War, and over half of those casualties - a mammoth amount from such a tiny country, crippling its population and economy, as well as its military for years to come.

However, the majority of these troops went toward 'liberating' Asian countries - as well as a vast amount of Pacific islands. As the power of Great Britain stretched down into the Pacific, and as China cast its eyes towards the smaller South-East Asian countries, a pact was signed, giving up sovereignity, to be ruled by a government based in Canberra - a Canberra now dedicated to the freedom of those countries.

In essence, it meant a rush of migration into the Australian continent from the impoverished, war-torn members of the other states, leaving Australia a primarily Asian-domainated continent, at least in terms of race.

However, with the influx of new workers and young men and women, the Australian economy was revitalised, alongside that of its Pacific holdings.

The Asian states, however, saw a loss in population, but the lower number of mouths to feed, alongside Australian industrialization, saw new factories established, a better standard of living brought into play, and an improvement for all the peoples there.

Population: 60 million, approximately 9 million of those living in Australia (in contrast to its 1936 6.8 million population), due to immense immigration. The Federated Oceanic-Asian Republics are, of course, democratic, without a draft, and still consider themselves allied closely with Britain.

Just to clear up something. No one owns Utah, so maybe it's just a independent country called Republic of Deseret. I don't know because it's kind of unusual to have a open territory in the middle of America.

No one wants the Mormons. =p

Still wondering if I can estimate my population...

For population, try 80% of the modern population. It's what I'm doing. Population isn't going to rule this rp, so don't get all hung up about it.

Hyperspatial Travel...I remember the days when I had one of your awards. I was very proud :D Good to see you mate.

And Philanchez has jumped aboard here! Yay!

More general excitements. Time for actual RP to starty, methinks. I'll see if I can get off my lazy (figurative) arse.

For population, try 80% of the modern population. It's what I'm doing. Population isn't going to rule this rp, so don't get all hung up about it.

Thanks a lot for clearing that up. Will post it now.

Oh, and for Guiana, $85million seems reasonable. $1000 per square km for undeveloped jungle seems fair. And shouldn't bankrupt you completely.

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HT and Philanchez added. Welcome aboard.

$85 million is fine, consider it yours seeing as this happened in 1931.

Any chance of getting in on this? I noticed there seems to be a few places left on the map to grab.

If it's there and currently not being invaded, you can claim it. You can't claim Czechoslovakia.

Because it is being invaded.

Serbia's being invaded for those who don't know.

Iran's being...pseudo-invaded. I'll post that thread on the Hub.

I think I royaly screwed Russia. He is invading Belarus and I am playing the defence and they are going to fight to the end.

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did someone just give me an opening to take Siberia?

I think I royaly screwed Russia. He is invading Belarus and I am playing the defence and they are going to fight to the end.

Eh, poorly trained and armed men against tanks?

Eh, poorly trained and armed men against tanks?

one word: Iraq.

You see they are royaly screwed because how would it look to invade a country and the people are leaving while the men are fighting to the death to stop you. Pretty much the government is going into exile and will appeal for world support while the men are fighting by themselves trying to make it a war of attrition.

one word: Iraq.

Several words:

The wide avaliability of munitions and AK-47s.

You see they are royaly screwed because how would it look to invade a country and the people are leaving while the men are fighting to the death to stop you. Pretty much the government is going into exile and will appeal for world support while the men are fighting by themselves trying to make it a war of attrition.

Doesn't seem very realistic to me, really. They're not fanatics.

Doesn't seem very realistic to me, really. They're not fanatics.

They will fight for their families. That is the reason they will fight to the death. To allow enough time for the women and children to seek refuge in nearby countries.

The Ukraine is willing to help the victims of the Russian Dogs!

The Ukraine is willing to help the victims of the Russian Dogs!

That is very good. But it brings up the question what happens when (if) I start winning? I have my own country...although right now its kinda on hold until the other American factions respond to the telegram.

It will need help rebuilding, so I could.... you know. TAKE IT OVER AND REBUILD IN MY IMAGE! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Erm....


Yea...

oooh. puppet states. shiny.

It will need help rebuilding, so I could.... you know. TAKE IT OVER AND REBUILD IN MY IMAGE! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Erm....


Yea...

Depending on how you do that they might attack your forces. Pretty much I will play Belarus until this war is over and then we will see where we are.

They will fight for their families. That is the reason they will fight to the death. To allow enough time for the women and children to seek refuge in nearby countries.

Please, no one did that during any of the world wars. It just didn't happen. Except perhaps in East Germany by fanatic SS units or by the Japanese during World War Two.

The vast majority would simply try and get on with life. And the vast majority of soldiers would probably fight and then surrender when they realized it was hopeless. That's how it works. These people aren't going to fight to the death.

Please, no one did that during any of the world wars. It just didn't happen. Except perhaps in East Germany by fanatic SS units or by the Japanese during World War Two.

The vast majority would simply try and get on with life. And the vast majority of soldiers would probably fight and then surrender when they realized it was hopeless. That's how it works. These people aren't going to fight to the death.

You underestimate Eastern Europeans. I invite you to read accounts of 15 year old boys in Poland who fought for as long as they could when Germany invaded Poland in September of 1939. I have sources to back up Eastern Europeans would fight to the death if it meant saving their families. One of those sources is a few of the accounts in the book The Mammoth Book of How It Happened: World War II.

Also when I said help, I meant like take on Refugees and shit. Not help you fight. No way. I am already at war with Serbia.

Also when I said help, I meant like take on Refugees and shit. Not help you fight. No way. I am already at war with Serbia.

I figured. If you would would you post something about opening boarders for Belarusian refugees and issue a statement to the country stating your intents?

You underestimate Eastern Europeans. I invite you to read accounts of 15 year old boys in Poland who fought for as long as they could when Germany invaded Poland in September of 1939. I have sources to back up Eastern Europeans would fight to the death if it meant saving their families. One of those sources is a few of the accounts in the book The Mammoth Book of How It Happened: World War II.

Ha. This is not Poland. This is Belarussia (who actually consider themselves ethnically and culturally Russia to begin with). It's not like their Poles fighting Germans (traditional enemies of Poland).

And what man is going to leave his family defenseless and alet them flee into another country where he might never see them again? I just don't see it happening.

Ha. This is not Poland. This is Belarussia (who actually consider themselves ethnically and culturally Russia to begin with). It's not like their Poles fighting Germans (traditional enemies of Poland).

And what man is going to leave his family defenseless and alet them flee into another country where he might never see them again? I just don't see it happening.

Really they do? Then how come they get pissed every time they are refered to as "White Russia"? They consider themselves ethnically and culturally members of Ruthenia. For example the correct translation of their name is not White Russia but White Ruthenia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus There is an article on it. They hate Russians. Also Poland's historical enemies are Russia and Austria/Hungry not Germany. A man who knows that they will die if he doesnt tell him that would tell his family to flee to another country. Read Barefoot In the Rubble about Yugoslavians who tell their families to leave in order to survive Marshal Tito. Trust me I did a lot of research on it.

Really they do? Then how come they get pissed every time they are refered to as "White Russia"? They consider themselves ethnically and culturally members of Ruthenia. For example the correct translation of their name is not White Russia but White Ruthenia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belarus There is an article on it. They hate Russians. Also Poland's historical enemies are Russia and Austria/Hungry not Germany. A man who knows that they will die if he doesnt tell him that would tell his family to flee to another country. Read Barefoot In the Rubble about Yugoslavians who tell their families to leave in order to survive Marshal Tito. Trust me I did a lot of research on it.

But, it's not like the Russians are going to kill everyone. It's a territory grab. They want population. They are not going to fight to the death. No one is that fanatical. I don't care if they're Eastern European. The Russians in WW2 didn't always fight to the death, nor did the Rumanians, Serbs, Poles Yugoslavians, Greeks, Bulgarians or Balts. Some might. But they are not all going to fight to the death. No one wants to die when it comes down to it.

But, it's not like the Russians are going to kill everyone. It's a territory grab. They want population. They are not going to fight to the death. No one is that fanatical. I don't care if they're Eastern European. The Russians in WW2 didn't always fight to the death, nor did the Rumanians, Serbs, Poles Yugoslavians, Greeks, Bulgarians or Balts. Some might. But they are not all going to fight to the death. No one wants to die when it comes down to it.

So you are saying if you were in their position you would allow the Russians to take you over, subjagate your country once more, destory the independance and culture you have been trying to create, rape your women, quite possibly kill many people? Remember they have no clue what the Russian's plans are other then invading. If you think that the Belarusians will just bend over and let the Russians have their way with them because they don't want to die you really have no clue about people.

So you are saying if you were in their position you would allow the Russians to take you over, subjagate your country once more, destory the independance and culture you have been trying to create, rape your women, quite possibly kill many people? Remember they have no clue what the Russian's plans are other then invading. If you think that the Belarusians will just bend over and let the Russians have their way with them because they don't want to die you really have no clue about people.

I think I know more about people then you claim to. If people truly thought that way, then how come we have all these accounts, throughout history, of people surrendering in great numbers? Even to people who have reputations for brutality, like the Mongols? Why? Because deep down, no one really wants to die.

How come not every single Frenchman or Pole or Greek didn't fight to the death? Because they didn't want to die. There is no reasonable way yo ucan claim the entire male population of a country is willing to die.

If this is the kind of unrealistic bull shit that is going to be standard in this RP, then I'm not sure I want to participate.

You want a good, historical and realistic alternate history RP? Look at E20. One of the best and one of the longest running RPs on Nationstates II. People do NOT FIGHT TO THE DEATH unless they know that they will die anyway or that they will suffer horribly if captured. It's a romantic image but it is not realistic.

West African Federation

Claimed Area: Nigeria, Togo, Benin

Population: 21,874,000

Recent History: Prior to World War 1, the Federation was a European colony, much like the rest of Africa. Yet an independence movement had been growing for many years, and with the world engulfed in war and the Europeans distracted, they seized their chance. The rebellion was successful and the three former colonies united to form the West African Federation.

A Federal Republic was established with a constitution ensuring the people basic rights, including the right to vote. Many economic reforms were also enacted to help modernize and industrialize the country and great progress has been made since independence.

Yet despite all this, the West African Federation is still based mainly on agriculture and trade. The military is also still relatively backwards. The recent discovery of oil leads some to hope that revenues from this and assistance from other countries will help the Federation industrialize and modernize its society.

I think I know more about people then you claim to. If people truly thought that way, then how come we have all these accounts, throughout history, of people surrendering in great numbers? Even to people who have reputations for brutality, like the Mongols? Why? Because deep down, no one really wants to die.

How come not every single Frenchman or Pole or Greek didn't fight to the death? Because they didn't want to die. There is no reasonable way yo ucan claim the entire male population of a country is willing to die.

If this is the kind of unrealistic bull shit that is going to be standard in this RP, then I'm not sure I want to participate.

You want a good, historical and realistic alternate history RP? Look at E20. One of the best and one of the longest running RPs on Nationstates II. People do NOT FIGHT TO THE DEATH unless they know that they will die anyway or that they will suffer horribly if captured. It's a romantic image but it is not realistic.

Lets look at times throughtout history were people did fight to the death. Lets see the Scots fought to the death in several wars with England. The Germans fought to the death when fighting Rome to the point where Rome gave up. When men have everything to lose by surrendering and the hope of others getting what they hold dear by giving up their lives they will fight to the death. Also look at the American Revolution they fought to the death to free their country from what they considered their oppressors.

Lets look at times throughtout history were people did fight to the death. Lets see the Scots fought to the death in several wars with England. The Germans fought to the death when fighting Rome to the point where Rome gave up. When men have everything to lose by surrendering and the hope of others getting what they hold dear by giving up their lives they will fight to the death. Also look at the American Revolution they fought to the death to free their country from what they considered their oppressors.

Wrong wrong wrong WRONG!

I don't know where to start.

The American's did not "fight to the death" (I should know, I am one). Thousands of them surrendered. The Belorussians are not that fanatical. It's just not going to happen. They will not all fight to the death. It's just stupid.

Like I said, no one fights to the death unless they know they will die anyway r some such thing. Last stands are incredibly rare. And to say an ENTIRE nation would attempt one? That is just stupid, wrong and completely inaccurate in regards to history.

Wrong wrong wrong WRONG!

I don't know where to start.

The American's did not "fight to the death" (I should know, I am one). Thousands of them surrendered. The Belorussians are not that fanatical. It's just not going to happen. They will not all fight to the death. It's just stupid.

Like I said, no one fights to the death unless they know they will die anyway r some such thing. Last stands are incredibly rare. And to say an ENTIRE nation would attempt one? That is just stupid, wrong and completely inaccurate in regards to history.

I am an American as well. I am also a history buff. Look at battles like Bunker Hill, Concord, Lexington, Long Island, New York. In all of those the men were prepared to fight till the death should it come down to it. Men willing to fight till the death usally win so they don't have to and the fact that they would have fought till their last breath is played down. Look at General's speaches in wars such as the Revolution. Last stands happen a lot they just rarely end up in a massicure. I will agree men will most times surrender but they do not think they will surrender when push comes to shove and they are going to die. To make up your mind to fight to the death you must have passion for the cause. Frankly I do not wish to continue argueing but I am not going to have an entire country say "Ok lets surrender and lose everything we have worked for since our independance." as you seem to think is what nations do all the time. Also not one battle as happened yet and I do not know if they will truely fight to the death I am arguing that they have more then enough reason to fight to the death or at least convince themselves that they will.

I'd also like to point out that at several times during the American Revolution the Americans would've surrendered had they lost one or two major battles. And the Americans RETREATED from Bunker and Breeds Hill. Regarding the Romans, it was not because the Germans fought to the death but because they used ambush tactics and the Roman's German allies betrayed them

As for the Scots, well, they're still around aren't they? Or maybe they were created by the aliens to replace all of the pre-2oth century Scots who died out from fighting to the death. :rolleyes:


I'm not arguing that the Belorussians wouldn't fight, I'm arguing that they would not be prepared to fight to the death. Very few people are.

I'd also like to point out that at several times during the American Revolution the Americans would've surrendered had they lost one or two major battles. And the Americans RETREATED from Bunker and Breeds Hill. Regarding the Romans, it was not because the Germans fought to the death but because they used ambush tactics and the Roman's German allies betrayed them

As for the Scots, well, they're still around aren't they? Or maybe they were created by the aliens to replace all of the pre-2oth century Scots who died out from fighting to the death. :rolleyes:


I'm not arguing that the Belorussians wouldn't fight, I'm arguing that they would not be prepared to fight to the death. Very few people are.

I know those points and they are valid. I do not know how far they will fight because I need to roleplay them more and get a better feel for how they will be but what I am saying is they have reason to at least convince themselves that they will fight to the death. To use a tactic used many times and that is make the enemy loss of life so high they wish to turn back.

Greetings,

It has been with great interest that I've viewed this new venue emerge. Perhaps you might allow me to join your ranks as the Vaal Free State, the modern day equivalent of South Africa, Swaziland, Lesotho, and Botswana.

Of course, if this dominion is too large, I'd be willing to concede Botswana and (if need be) the two small states mentioned.

~ A Short History ~

To the outside world, the Vaal Free State is viewed as an anachronism of the modern era. Controlled by a White, Boer elite, the fiercely conservative nation remains mostly hostile to foriegners and non-whites alike, mostly fueled by the international community's outrage towards the government's support of slavery and the ongoing plantation system that bolsters its primarily rural economy.

As a result of the volk's distrust of the "outsiders" (or uitlanders), the Government (a ruling clique of wealthy landowners and aristocrats), has remained shy of engaging in any foreign affairs, declaring neutrality in nearly every matter besides those directly concerning that of their institutions. Thus, during WWI, the Free State failed to take part, instead intent on exploiting the vast mineral riches recently discovered in the northern reaches of the nation.

Now, as the world continues to trudge forward, it can be assured the peoples of the Vaal Free State, so consumed in their own pride and fear of the outside world, will remain to their own devices.

on the assumption that "discussion" roughly equates to "ooc thread":

Hyperspatial Travel:
one of my divisions is roughly 95 thousand men, and almost 9 and a half thousand Locust chassis combat vehicles. [mostly the infantry 'would be a half track if it had tracks' variant], and in the current deployment has an attached group of 1000 heron fighters [i really need to work out the exact specifics of those at some point] of course, they're defending the whole southern border.

if you're adding 5 or 10 thousand more men, how many do you already have? [not that it matters overly much, as i don't intend to attack you, but you never know what's going to happen next.]

i also assume that it's the character's misconception that radar will let you know about anything other than planes in flight, not yours.

[I'm not arguing or complaining about anything, just wanting some clarification :)]


edit: oh, and I'll post in that thread again having my armies move either roughly 12 hours from now, or once everyone involved makes a response of some sort. [bearing in mind that such a post would be a "this is what's going on now" response, rather than a "responding to the actions" response, as that first post took place behind closed doors and has not yet been acted upon.]

Cortellen and Kilani, would you both be willing to accept this:

That the government of Belarus will call for the people to fight to the death. That they will not surrender to Russia until the entire nation has fallen.
That a large number of the people of Belarus will fight, and fight hard, and when scattered will take their military gear to begin a resistance.
That significant numbers will flee Russian conquest to surrounding states.

But on the other hand:
That not all will fight.
That many will surrender as they are surrounded/overrun.
That some will collaborate even before the Russians arrive, and many will collaborate, or at least acquiesce, once they have arrived in force.

Then you can stop arguing about it. Fighting to the death in a literal sense is very, very rare. There is a reason why Thermopylae is so well known. Fighting to the bitter end, til no hope remains and a little way beyond, has happened frequently, but is only ever done by a minority.

If it's there and currently not being invaded, you can claim it.

Can I get Finland now? If not, I'll just invade it in a new thread.

You have already established claims. RP it.

If those blank spots on the map represent open territories in Europe I would be glad to claim those. I'll have an official claim up soon but just hold those for an hour or so and I can get full information up.

EDIT: ok to explain, the territories I am talking about are Poland and those below. I dont want to claim those to the right of poland as starters, but look forward to invasions if I enter this RP.

http://www.red7.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/assdassd.png

Can I have that? Mostly desert and jungle. Happy days.

Commonwealth of Wintrees - Allies, although didn't do much fighting, spent most of their time securing their sea/land boarders as well as the South Atlantic. Made a lot of money from shipping and basic resources.

The Republic of Poland and Commonwealth of Wintrees, added. Nice to have you.

If I can still claim countries I would like to claim Paraguay and Uruguay to the Empire of Canland.

The RP has started since you claimed. No more claims for you, only for people who have joined since.

Just so people know. My Factbook thread also doubles as my Embassy/Diplomacy Thread. It also nightlights as my news thread.

Could I join this as Uaegoslavia and claim Niger (And just to get this through I’m not a newb, I had another 2 nations, and I have read the stickies)

At the current time, Ueagoslavia (pronounced "U-a-go-sla-vee-a") was outside the boundaries of the war and so were not involved, however with recent establishment of the capital Algriv, and small towns, Uaegoslavia looked to begin trade with the other northern countries in hope that things would get easier

The Republic of Uaegoslavia, added. Welcome to the game.

I would like to participate in this RP and if you'll accept me I'll be the Republic of Tadjikistan.
My nation would be in rl. Afghanistan, Pakistan and Tajikistan.

Fought on the side of the central powers, but only shortly.
I still have some equipment from an old pre-WW2, so I will most definitly design my own army.

The Republic of Poland and Commonwealth of Wintrees, added. Nice to have you.

Ok, well for first actions. I would get ready to do some major map changes cause im about to begin a conquest of the other open lands. Also I would like to change my nation name to the European Federation seeing as how im going to do alot of severe changes here.

Ok, well for first actions. I would get ready to do some major map changes cause im about to begin a conquest of the other open lands. Also I would like to change my nation name to the European Federation seeing as how im going to do alot of severe changes here.

Not if the Ukrainian Commonwealth has anything to say about that.

Cortellen and Kilani, would you both be willing to accept this:

That the government of Belarus will call for the people to fight to the death. That they will not surrender to Russia until the entire nation has fallen.
That a large number of the people of Belarus will fight, and fight hard, and when scattered will take their military gear to begin a resistance.
That significant numbers will flee Russian conquest to surrounding states.

But on the other hand:
That not all will fight.
That many will surrender as they are surrounded/overrun.
That some will collaborate even before the Russians arrive, and many will collaborate, or at least acquiesce, once they have arrived in force.

Then you can stop arguing about it. Fighting to the death in a literal sense is very, very rare. There is a reason why Thermopylae is so well known. Fighting to the bitter end, til no hope remains and a little way beyond, has happened frequently, but is only ever done by a minority.
Fine by me.

Also another thing, here's the info on my nations.

After WWI, most of Congress Poland became part of the independent Republic of Poland. Only the northernmost fragment was incorporated into Lithuania. Poland became ruled by Kanclerz (Chancellor) Aleksy Czeslaw who began to enact policies building a larger and more powerful army he named as the Europejski Pozwany Wojsko (European Defense Army). This buildup in forces created the Polish 2nd army in the lower country which has been stationed on the western border between they and the Czech Republic.

Current Action: The 2nd army is beginning a frontal invasion of the Czech republic utilizing the armored Renault wz.32 (model 1932) tank. The army will transport into by horse drawn transports as well as some engine driven trucks. The operation leader's name is General Major Brunon Fryderyk and under him are General Otto of the 1st Armored Calvary Division, General Mateusz of the 2nd Armored Calvary Division, General Rafael of the 3rd Infanty Division and General Stefan of the 4th Infantry Division.

Not if the Ukrainian Commonwealth has anything to say about that.

Don't cause a unnessisary war, the invasion wil not bother your nation in any way so stand back and watch before WWII breaks out cause you felt valiant.

No, you're not, because this is 1935 and the T-34 wasn't in production in RUSSIA, WHERE IT WAS DESIGNED until 1940.

You also should put nation details into a factbook. If you want to take part in the Czech campaign that is already running, I suggest you go find a Polish tank in service in 1935 - and the Poles had good tanks - and post mobilisation after finding out what's happened so far.

Reclaming the Sudetenland (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12202922)

No, you're not, because this is 1935 and the T-34 wasn't in production in RUSSIA, WHERE IT WAS DESIGNED until 1940.

You also should put nation details into a factbook. If you want to take part in the Czech campaign that is already running, I suggest you go find a Polish tank in service in 1935 - and the Poles had good tanks - and post mobilisation after finding out what's happened so far.

Reclaming the Sudetenland (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12202922)

I realized that after I wrote it...I feel pretty much retarded now lol. Anyway Im going to edit that, but I am taking part in the Czech Campaingn.

the poles also used cavalry most awesomely.

[no, the did not charge tanks with it, contrary to popular myth]

even with machine guns and the like, cavalry can Still take infantry in this era, if it catches it in the open. just got to be a little trickier.

and watch out for armored cars. they do to cav what cav do to inf...

edit: it should be noted that cav spends most of it's time fighting as infantry and using the horses purely for mobility. also: there were more successful cavalry charges [and more cavalry charges full stop, though they were on smaller scales, if i remember rightly] in ww2 than ww1. go figure.

I found a nice tank, The French/Polish Renault wz.32 (model 1932) tank. That's a little better, sorry for the mixup there.

Just wait for my post on that thread, i'll be invading Czech from the East so dont do anything to dramatic, I have to get off now cause TV calls me ^.^

Ok I take back that attack on the Czech I believe a better plan is in order so I will be invading the lands below all together I believe would be known as the Yugoslavien territorie. You can have your little czech republic :p Also I based everything off http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/buszke/hun-sf/maps/europe-map/1920.jpg Its from the 1920's but its close enough.

i don't know why, but there's something disturbingly amusing in the fact that France is labeled as "Frankreich" on that map...

Ok I take back that attack on the Czech I believe a better plan is in order so I will be invading the lands below all together I believe would be known as the Yugoslavien territorie. You can have your little czech republic :p Also I based everything off http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/buszke/hun-sf/maps/europe-map/1920.jpg Its from the 1920's but its close enough.

Are you invading every single country on that map?

actually, it sounds like he's refering to Yugoslavia...

but how he's getting there, i don't know.. through Romania , maybe. or czechslovakia and Hungry? *shrugs*

Hmm..yeah, that's probably how he'll do it.

Also, I'm going to RP an invasion of Finland, hoping to eventually dominate the Baltic Sea.

Angermanland, do you want to be Finland?

I would like to participate in this RP and if you'll accept me I'll be the Republic of Tadjikistan.
My nation would be in rl. Afghanistan, Pakistan and Tajikistan.

Fought on the side of the central powers, but only shortly.
I still have some equipment from an old pre-WW2, so I will most definitly design my own army.


Eh *points*

i would, but i don't really have a lot of experience with ww2. I'm still getting a feel for it, so I'm focusing on my own stuff.


of course, that's not going anywhere until the relevant players make a noise...

so far I've only heard from the ones who's response to that invasion doesn't actually matter in the grand scheme of things *laughs*

what do you need me to do?

[edit: i should mention i have a vested interest in pretty much anything that causes russia problems right now :)]

woops. just looking at the map, and i realized: the borders in that part of the world [that is, Yugoslavia etc] are very different in this RP than in RL.

for one thing, 'Poland' borders 'the Yugoslavian teritories' in the rp. [it appears to include the east of Czechoslovakia, Hungry, and part of Romania...]

so he doesn't actually have to go Through anything... just around.

[edit: i should mention i have a vested interest in pretty much anything that causes russia problems right now ]

Well, for the moment, just play the Finland resistance. Samukahn is trying to control the Baltic Sea, like Russia, so this would definatly be a way "cause Russia problems".

i would, but i don't really have a lot of experience with ww2.

I haven't got experience with WWII ethier!

Well, for the moment, just play the Finland resistance. Samukahn is trying to control the Baltic Sea, like Russia, so this would definatly be a way "cause Russia problems".



I haven't got experience with WWII ethier!

this is either very very good...

or very very bad...


unlike trying to get my obsolete windows 95 laptop some functional IM software... that's just frustrating.

resistance requires reacting. i can do reacting. Finland at this point has a couple of divisions [normal ones, not my insanely large Sun Chinese ones] of infantry, yes?

resistance requires reacting. i can do reacting. Finland at this point has a couple of divisions [normal ones, not my insanely large Sun Chinese ones] of infantry, yes?

Yes, exactly.

unlike trying to get my obsolete windows 95 laptop some functional IM software... that's just frustrating.

:D

all righty. point me at the thread. i'll do my best :)

[you wouldn't have any suggestions on the IM issue, would you?]

here you go, just finished it:

Controlling the Baltic Sea (E35) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12204722)

[you wouldn't have any suggestions on the IM issue, would you?]

nope :(

you're guys are kind of wrong on the "biggest army in the world" bit...

Sun China:

14 million. [admittedly, only approximately 1 million are currently active combat troopies. and 7 million are support, the rest conscript reservist levies types.. but still.]

read it and weep :D


so. do you have anything in mind with regards to how this is meant to go?

because I'm struggling to frame what i know in an IC manner just yet.

though if i remember rightly, there is one division in the north, where Finland borders Russia, and another in the south, in the capital.

not that they're really going to do anything until you actually invade.

[hehe. winpopup! it's been so long since i played with that. ehh. looks like buggy IE 4. something is the best I'm going to do on the internet front. *sigh* can't even upgrade the operating system because the machine's second hand and we were never given the utility disk! bizare fact: xp machines will not recognize 95 machines on a network... unless you log on with the same user name on both machines, then the XP one will object to their being the same user signed on in multipul places. still won't regisiter that the comp in question exists though :D]

all righty. point me at the thread. i'll do my best :)

[you wouldn't have any suggestions on the IM issue, would you?]

I'd advise looking for a copy of Windows Messenger somewhere - that, or IRC, if you can get it to work. Windows Messenger will run on anything that can, well, run, although I'm not entirely sure where you'd find a copy of it.

Oh, and I was talking to Ansu, and he told me you were a fan of HoI. Guess what got me into this thread?

Finland will know:


That we could invade any day.

That the army will probably invade from the north, through the border.

That the navy will probably invade from the south, landing at Turku.

Finland won't know:


That they have upgraded thier army.


Finland thinks that:


They will mainly use thier navy.


I'll post the actual invasion soon.

Hyperspatial Travel

you have my msn, right?

The Great Monty Python: i don't know enough about the history in our RP...

IRL, Finland got on well with those to it's west and was Very worried about Russia. [it had been subject to both at one point or another, Russia under the Tsars more recently.]

heck, they Still worry about Russia!

so, in this history, would they actually Expect an invasion on your part to be sufficiently likely compared to a Russian invasion to move troops away from the Russian borders?

hehe. i suspect their automatic reaction would be to look to CHOAM... or possibly Ansu. [Finland joined the Axis in ww2, mostly because there was more hope of Germany helping hold off the SU than of the allies doing so. this was post 'winter war' and the whole Austria/Czechoslovakia/ possibly Poland? thing. the allies didn't have great reputation for following through on promises.]

can NPCs draw in allies, or is that just cheese?

Africa hasn't seen much action lately :s and the majority of grey unused space is in Africa too

well, it only ever really saw any historically because of the location of Italy, Britain, and France's colonies there.

heck, apparently no one even knew about all the oil in the middle east [the Germans invaded the SU partially because they were running out of oil, apparently. had they known of the oil in the middle east, they would have put more effort into defending Italy's African holdings etc. and probably left the SU alone. at least until they were done with the allies.]

well, it only ever really saw any historically because of the location of Italy, Britain, and France's colonies there.

heck, apparently no one even knew about all the oil in the middle east [the Germans invaded the SU partially because they were running out of oil, apparently. had they known of the oil in the middle east, they would have put more effort into defending Italy's African holdings etc. and probably left the SU alone. at least until they were done with the allies.]

But since this is not the same earth as it was in the real 1935, anything can happen, I want to take some countries over so I can reach the shore and make sea trade possible with the larger richer countries (UK, France, etc)

fair enough. so long as you RP it, i doubt anyone will stop you...

unless they do. but only ICly :D

Sorry to bother you again, but in order for my little nation to be able to compete with other nations, I'll have to claim a bit more territory. So what does claiming Djibouti, Eritrea and Crete sounds to you?

Hyperspatial Travel

you have my msn, right?

The Great Monty Python: i don't know enough about the history in our RP...

IRL, Finland got on well with those to it's west and was Very worried about Russia. [it had been subject to both at one point or another, Russia under the Tsars more recently.]

heck, they Still worry about Russia!

so, in this history, would they actually Expect an invasion on your part to be sufficiently likely compared to a Russian invasion to move troops away from the Russian borders?

hehe. i suspect their automatic reaction would be to look to CHOAM... or possibly Ansu. [Finland joined the Axis in ww2, mostly because there was more hope of Germany helping hold off the SU than of the allies doing so. this was post 'winter war' and the whole Austria/Czechoslovakia/ possibly Poland? thing. the allies didn't have great reputation for following through on promises.]

can NPCs draw in allies, or is that just cheese?

Finland can look to me; or rather, shall I say, I will look to them. Hehe. Ideally with the co-operation or at least acquiescence of Ansu, but I'm thinking that all this expansion at the cost of NPCs has to stop somewhere. As well Finland as anywhere.

Come on people, taking NPC territory closes off opportunities for new people to enter and has to be RPed by an opposing player; invading player-controlled territory by default lacks both problems.

Terra, if you have time to be on msn, i've got the the first cut of the next scene of that story sorted.

Hyperspatial Travel

you have my msn, right?



hehe. i suspect their automatic reaction would be to look to CHOAM... or possibly Ansu. [Finland joined the Axis in ww2, mostly because there was more hope of Germany helping hold off the SU than of the allies doing so.

Yeah. Finland was the only democratic Axis state, interestingly enough. Then again, considering the Finns fought Russia to virtually a standstill during the Winter War, even though the Russians outnumbered and outgunned them hugely (4-1 in men, 1000-1 in tanks, and around 30-1 in aircraft). Then again, Germany was originally planning on letting Russia have Finland, so they weren't *that* good of an ally. (Finland's resistance convinced Hitler that the Red Army were probably easy to defeat - which, in turn, probably contributed to his decision to launch Operation Barbarossa)

Oh, and I have your MSN (Ansu gave it to me), so if you're on some time, I'm [HT/BHA/Jack] (as my username), or black_hole_army_13@hotmail.com (just to let you know who I am)