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---------------OFFICIAL CONCORDAT STATEMENT------------------

DEPARTMENT OF WAR
PROCUREMENT DIVISION

The Iron Concorat is calling for bidders to supply all branches the Wirrawayan Armed forces with new equipment, vehicles, ships and aircraft as stopgap until Wirrawayan Defense Industries can be brought back online. The lowest bidder will have exclusive rights to outfit one or more branches of the the Modernized Force.
Our needs are as follows

Air Force

-500 Interceptors/Ground Attack (Versatility of roles is a must)
-300 Heavy Bombers
-100 tankers
-25 EWF
-80 trainers
-200 transports
-Ammo
-15 AWACS

Navy

-3 Aircraft Carriers + Organic Aircraft Wings
-20 Destroyers
-15 Cruisers
-15 Submarines
-6 Battleships
-50 helicopters (with anti-sub capability)
-35 Transports
-10 Oilers
-Ammo

Army
-1500MBTs
-1000 APCS
-300,000 Modern Assault Rifles
-150,000 Machine Guns
-Ammo
-250 Attack Helicopters
-300 Transport Helicopters
-800 Mobile Artillery
-400 MLRS

Please submit your bid along with your experience and credentials as an arms supplier or dealer.
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I'll aim for the Army bid...

Storefront link: Improved, slightly...
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=476754

And before jumping for the 'new' cartridge, consider what your men already have, and if a change is actually a needed mprovement.

All caps titles are a no-no...

You'll have to excuse me with the caps, I've been out for a little while.

My army currently is using M-16s with the standard 5.56 x 45 mm NATO round, I assumed that there was improved technology or cartridge design out there, hence the ammo requirement.

Ill go ahead and take a look at your storefront.

Thank you, and if you want something to use up existing stocks of 5.56 x 45 ammo, look at my PDW (linked on smll arms post of storefront, as the description is rather long).
[Yes, it IS a 5.56 x 45 mm machine pistol... also fires a wide variety of rounds]

I could also use this post to rant about the merits of the 6.5 mm bullet, but I'd rather you did the research yourself, so that you know you haven't been fooled by fancy advertising.

(though I did respond to a question of why I chose a 6.5 for my service round on the last page)

question: I may be mistaken, but in in your small arms section I do not see an assault rifle, only a SAW, grenade launchers and pistols. Is there an infantry rifle there that I just don't see?

I will further investigate your wares tomorrow and present you with a list of equipment I would like to evaluate.

BTW: Kudos on your storefront, its one of the best I've seen in a while.

Phoenix Dynamix has created scores of original products and has supplied many, many nations with arms throughout the past 4 years.
For all of your needs, I suggest you visit the Phoenix Dynamix Storefront.
We have a massive infrastructure contained in numerous nations and territories and can produce weapons for you at an obscenely fast rate.http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v293/grunt74/NS1/PhoenixDynamixBlackRedLogo.gif (http://phoenixdynamix.proboards38.com/index.cgi)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/blaesa/PRA%20junk/OtagiaFlag.gifhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/blaesa/PRA%20junk/PRA.gif

Pale Rider Arms will happily supply at least some of your Army's needs. In particular, we would like to submit the M26 Combat Rifle, the M32 LMG, and the Nezumi Oni family of vehicles. Using the Otagian 6.5x40mm caseless cartridge, the M26 and M32 possess far superior killing power and penetration ability than the 5.56 NATO round, while weighing in at almost half the weight. High durability and rate of fire combined with the unparalleled accuracy of PRA's patented SmartGun system make the M26 amongst the most deadly combat rifles in the world.

For maximum utility with the M26 and M32, we highly recommend further small arms and infantry armor from Pale Rider Arms, which can be found at our storefront (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9822853).

The Nezumi Oni (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=506698) is no less capable. Using a tracked configuration instead of the wheels seen on most personnel carriers, this IFV can turn on a dime, and with it's powerful diesel engine, will get your men to the battle on time, even with it's heavy armor. Also available in this family of vehicles is the Kinezumi Minelayer: Visually indistinguishable from the Nezumi Oni IFV, the Kinezumi can provide a hidden layer of protection for your troops with minimal chance of detection.

While we do not provide MBTs or other armored vehicles (barring the NO family), we heartily reccommend the products of the Kreigzimmer Corporation (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=409787), especially the Arca IV Nakil MBT.
(http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=478771)
Yours,
Daniel Quetzal
CEO of Pale Rider Arms

ATTACHED:

M26 Combat Rifle

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/blaesa/PRA%20junk/ares-hvar.jpg

Length: 611.25mm
Barrel Length: 543.75mm
Mass: 4.6 kilograms
Cartridge: 6.5x40mm caseless (7.5 gram bullet)
Ammunition: 40 box magazine (optional extended magazines in 60, 80, and 100 rounds)
Muzzle Velocity: 910 m/s
Muzzle Energy: 3105.375 joules
Rate of Fire: 800 RPM cyclic (2200 RPM burst fire)
Modes of Fire: Safe, Semi-Automatic, 3 Round Burst, Full Auto
Aiming: Iron sights, integral smartgun system
Cost: 1400 USD

After several well publicised incidents involving the M25 HVAR exploding when fired (which PRA maintains will never occur with a properly maintained rifle), the Otagian military requested several new rifle designs from PRA using a less volatile round than the M25, including a new rifle for national security forces. The M26 is that rifle.

Using a 6.5x40mm caseless cartridge, the M26 compensates for the lower killing power of the 6.5mm round with improved rate of fire, sending up to 2200 rounds down range per minute.

M32 Light Machine Gun

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/blaesa/PRA%20junk/ares-hvmplmg.jpg

Length: 990mm
Barrel Length: 900mm
Mass:
Cartridge: 6.5x40mm Caseless (7.5 gram bullet)
Ammunition: 80 round box magazine (extended magazines available in 100, 120, 140, and 160)
Muzzle Velocity: 910 m/s
Muzzle Energy: 3243 joules
Rate of Fire: 800 RPM cyclic (2200 on 3 round burst)
Modes of Fire: Safe, semi-automatic, 3 round burst, full auto
Aiming: Iron sights, integral smartgun system
Cost: 6000 USD

Replacing the volatile M30 SAW, the M32 is based primarily on the M26 assault rifle, sharing over 50% of its components. Like the M26, the M32 LMG features a top mounted magazine and bullpup design, as well as PRA's signature integral SmartGun system. The M32 is expected to be issued to both the Red Samurai and Regular Army forces.

Oh Noes! It's my main competitor! Pale Rider Arms!!!!

(I might want to add a zero after my CM-26 to more easily distingiush itself from your M-26...)

question: I may be mistaken, but in in your small arms section I do not see an assault rifle, only a SAW, grenade launchers and pistols. Is there an infantry rifle there that I just don't see?

I will further investigate your wares tomorrow and present you with a list of equipment I would like to evaluate.

BTW: Kudos on your storefront, its one of the best I've seen in a while.

I recently halted production of the CM-16 assault rifle, due to lack of competitiveness, and due to the fact that I've issued a CM-26 to just about every soldier in my army... Thus making the CM-16 obsolete.

I sold my stock of those rifles [all 10 million] to Trade Wind Ltd, where they were converted to fire 5.56 x 45 ammo at M-16A6 standard. (Or whatever you'd call a full-auto M-16A4)

These rifles could be bought from them, and we'd happily re-retrofit them to CM-16 standard to fire whatever caliber you want (within practical limits) at no charge.

CM-16
Type: Assault Rifle
Caliber: ----
Magazine: 30 round detachable box
Barrel Length: 20"/508 mm
Overall Length:30"
Wieght: 9 lbs loaded
ROF: Up to 750 RPM on Full auto, 3 round burst, semi-automtic
Action: Gas, closed rotating bolt
Number In Stock: 12,000,000 (sold to Trade Wind Inc)

Links:
Trade Wind Inc (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=512949)

PROHT Military Refferance Thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498495)

Note: I only gave 10 million to Trade Wind, I still have 2 million for 'Specialist' use in 6.5 x 55 PROHT caliber.
Though the General issue of the HAP-655 will put an end to this.

Also, I'm selling those 2 million at only $150 each at military surplus costs.
TRI is selling them at $250 each (and only rated as an M-16A4).
Who's giving the better deal?

The performance advantage of the CM-16 was that the chambers were sturdier, the action used a short stroke piston rather than direct impingement, and you could screw on a lengthened barrel for longer shots (when using high power ammo).
[Design was more based off the AR-18 rather than the AR-15]

To: Wirraway
From: Elite Arms. Inc
Re: Military Contract

Elite Arms Inc. would be more than happy to provide you with whatever arms you desire until such time as your own defense industries resume production. We offer a wide variety of military hardware, which includes the standard fare as well as dozens of popular original designs.

While Elite Arms Inc. has not been in business as long as other arms dealers, we have been hugely successful. In the last decade alone, we've won over $20 trillion in contracts. Between these contracts and our storefront sales, we average approximately $2.5 trillion is sales annually. Thus far, all our order have been processed without complaint.

Testimonials
"Our beloved leader, Emperor Nero, has always been impressed with Dartia's designs." - Emperor Nero

"This is one of the best looking storefronts I have seen in a while." - IslandMafia

"The Kingdom wishes to thank Elite Arms for their superior service, timely shipping and user-friendly products." - Aschenhyrst

At any rate, Elite Arms Inc. would be happy to submit a proposal to fill your needs. Alternatively, you could peruse our catalog (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=512351). If you would like a written proposal, we would like a bit of clarification. Your nation strikes us as the rich and powerful sort, who could afford the very best hardware we have to offer. However, the language of your request implies you are looking for cheap equipment to get you by until you are able to produce whatever you need yourself. Should you desire a written proposal, should we be trying to sell you old Phantom II's or our latest and greaters stealth F/A planes?

We also wish to inform you that Elite Arms Inc. owns a used military equipment dealership, Trade Wind (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=512949). If you are just looking for something to get you by for a few years, used equipment may be the way to go.

----------OFFICIAL CONCORDAT STATEMENT------------------

DEPARTMENT OF WAR
PROCUREMENT DIVISION


After careful consideration the Iron Concordat has that a new 6.5 X 55 caliber standard will be instituted for all rifles and machine guns in the service of the Wirrawayan Military. As such, we have determined that the following companies have made it to the final rounds for consideration. Each company listed must provide a sample number of the listed weaponry before a final order will be placed.

PROHT
-CM-26
-CM-16, chambered for a 6.5 X 55 round
-CCZ-75
-CC-35C

Pale Rider Arms
-M-26
-M-32

Thank you to all who participated in this round of bidding, but we wish to make it clear that this was only one round of many. Once an order for small arms has been made we will move onto vehicles, ships and so forth so there are still many opportunities to be had.

Illiorian Arms (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=495587) Would like to compete for most of the aircraft contract, and although Trainers are not specifically noted, the ISF-12 "Dart" is easily used as one, being simple and "cost effective". If you also need sniper Rifles, I suggest looking at the ISR-15.

Nicholas V. Smith, Director of factories for Illiorian Arms.

Bah you just missed out on THE BEST assault rifle in NS, the Crookfur Arms SX23A1 caseless assault rifle. Oh some designs might surpass it in terms of 1 or 2 speciications but nothing offers anything near the total package.

Detaisl can be foudn here: http://z8.invisionfree.com/Crookfur_Arms/index.php?showtopic=1

Even if you don't take the SX23A1 into cosnideration please take the time to have a read through the rest of the Crookfur Arms catalogue (http://z8.invisionfree.com/Crookfur_Arms/index.php?act=idx).

OOC:OH MY GOD YOU'RE BACK! Want me to TG you the pass to C A D? (I'll also include details on all my contract bids, since I can fill all of this stuff for a nice discount for you)

ooc

btw doom, on joining the cad region... can/should I move in Dorium (http://www.nationstates.net/occupied_dorium)?

/ooc

Take a look here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=495984

10% discount, I got everything from ships, to arty to tanks and missiles, just not aircraft.

*Tosses 1,000 of each weapon in the back of an -legally- acquired Lefansi steamer, send it off to Wirraway.*

Attached message:
We are sending you 1,000 weapons of each type so that you may experiment with the ratio and quantity that suits you best.

Overview: the fine print: any known flaws that may scare off the buyer:
The CM-26 is considered 'a bit heavy' for an assault rifle
>similar complaint as received by the Stg-44, and PPSh-41<
Guns use High pressure cases
>Using these in lower quality chambers may resault in breakage<
No super fancy sighting system
>No strings attached to get full benifit<
Balisticly supirior to most RL military arms, but with only RL military grade sights
>So no *wallhack* shooting, unles you have an IR scope...<

Also included shall be:
500 HM-320 grenade launchers (Please read user's Manual <Provided at storefront>)
1000 40 x 203 mm Triplex Anti tank/Personel grenades
1500 40 x 155 mm Triplex Anti Personel Grenades (Flechette/Buckshot)

OOC: these are surplus, so yes, I'm practicly giving away half this stuff. Especially the CM-16...

To: Wirraway
From: Space Union Defense Industries (SUDI)
Subject: Contract Bid

We have recently heard of the submission of a contract to the defense industry to meet your nation's military needs. Space Union Defense Industries wishes to apply for all your air categories, the place where we specialize in. Here are our contenders for each category:

-500 Interceptors/Ground Attack (Versatility of roles is a must) - SuF/A-6 Wraith, SuF-8 Phoenix, and SuF-7 Nightmare
-300 Heavy Bombers - SuB-4 Super Hurricane and SuB-5 Sonic
-100 tankers - SuKC-1 Stormfueler and SuKC-2 Ranger
-25 EWF - SuEF-8 Crow (EW version of SuF-8 Phoenix)
-80 trainers - SuT-5 Cub
-200 transports - SuC-1 Stormbringer and SuC-2 Charriot
-Ammo - SuAIM-801 Strike AAM Series
-15 AWACS - SuE-1 Scanner

We hope to do business with shortly and hope that a prosperous relationship can build out of this.

Signed,
CEO/Chairman Sim Nam

OOC: Here's a link to my forum with my products: http://z3.invisionfree.com/SU_Defense_Industry/index.php?act=idx

If you want a link to my forum, there's a link in my signature. :)

Thank you for considering Pale Rider Arms for your small arms needs. Three hundred of each weapon have been shipped, along with a dozen instructors to assist you with your testing.

Yours,
Daniel Quetzal
CEO of Pale Rider Arms

OOC: Well, can't really think of any sticking points with either weapon. Bullpup design would normally impact use by left-handed shooters, but since it's caseless, nada. Caseless rounds are much lighter than equivalent cased rounds, and about as durable (and, contrary to HT's claims, are quite MT. See the H&K G-11, circa 1970).

Only sticking point I can think of might be the SmartGun system, which can OCCASIONALLY run out of power, although it's only active when there's mild pressure on the trigger, so unless you're extraordinarily trigger happy, it should last a nice long time. Oh, that and you have to wear the goggles and/or Fumetsu na Heishi body armor.

OOC: Well, can't really think of any sticking points with either weapon. Bullpup design would normally impact use by left-handed shooters, but since it's caseless, nada. Caseless rounds are much lighter than equivalent cased rounds, and about as durable (and, contrary to HT's claims, are quite MT. See the H&K G-11, circa 1970).

Only sticking point I can think of might be the SmartGun system, which can OCCASIONALLY run out of power, although it's only active when there's mild pressure on the trigger, so unless you're extraordinarily trigger happy, it should last a nice long time. Oh, that and you have to wear the goggles and/or Fumetsu na Heishi body armor.

Hmm.

I don't recall stating caseless rounds are not feasable, just a bit problematic.

And from what I've read, you've most likely compensated for excesive chamber heat/cooking problems, and managed to invent a powder binding agent that isn't as brittle as a piece of chalk [reason(s) why the G-11 had problems].

As for the sight, that is a rather large ball and chain, especially if he doesn't want to use your armor (though the option to use goggles instead with the newer version helps).

Is every single time we try selling our stuff to someone going to resualt in a match of who can sling their storefront the farthest?

--------OFFICIAL CONCORDAT STATEMENT---------------------
DEPARTMENT OF WAR
PROCUREMENT DIVISION

After careful and close evaluations of the Pale Rider and PROHT weapons we have come to the following conclusions regarding our order.

PROHT
-250,000 CM-16
-150,000 CCZ-75
-300,000 35C

PALE RIDER
-450,000 M26

Price will be paid in the currency of your choice and after items have been received.
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As for the rest of the bidding we are thankful for all who participated but we have decided to turn to an in-alliance provider for the rest of defense needs.

Dang, beaten by an alliance trade agreement.

Shipping the balance.

Keep the demo weapons, they're free.

$1.116 Billion USD (or equivilant)