NationStates Jolt Archive

The President raslin stood at the camera, speech in his hands. "Gregov, its a wonderful idea, don't be so nervous!" Said the president's secretary. Gregov gave her a smirk. He knew her well enough that to know she wasn't just sucking up to him, so he felt confident in his words now. The cameraman gave him a signal, letting him know the camera was now on.

"Nations of the world... I come to you today to talk on a subject that most people don't associate Chelllis with, in general. That subject is peace, and tranquility. A major concern to me, as well as my council, and I'm sure a good deal of other countries in this world, is the threat of nuclear weapons. As this world grows larger, with new countries emerging onto the international scene, so to does the growth of nuclear arsenals. It now seems that every nation with a plot of land and a couple dozen million people have access to the most destructive weapon known to mankind, the nuclear bomb.

I am not a man who likes to waste time, so I will get to my point. To stop, or at least severly hinder the use of nuclear weapons in an aggressive manner, it requires the collaberation of nations willing to oppose the use of such wantonly destructive weapons. Therefore, Chellis is announcing the creation of Grouphug.

Grouphug is an open treaty, that Chellis shall be the first signatory of. Signatories of Grouphug agree to do one simple thing. Aim for the destruction of nuclear weapons. This entails the collaberative use of ABM systems to counter the use of ICBM's, regardless of the country of origin. As the first member, Chellis vows to do a few things, the first to of which are the only vows that a signatory is needed to follow.

First, Chellis vows to destroy any ICBM that it has the capability to do. This includes any ICBM, whether nuclear or not, as there is little way of knowing if one is nuclear or not. This includes any ICBM that has been launched, and is in the range of any chellian ABM system. This does not include ICBM's that are in silo's, storage, etc.

Second, Chellis vows to never fire a nuclear weapon without provocation. Chellis will never attack a country with a nuclear weapon, that has not attacked us with such weapons first.

Third, Chellis vows to dismantle all of its ICBM's, nuclear free-fall bombs, nuclear air to air weapons, and nuclear shells. This is not required of a nation, but Chellis personally suggests it.

Fourth, Chellis will consider anybody who orders the use of nuclear weapon against another nation a war criminal, except in the case of self-defense against other nuclear weapons. Chellis will do what it can to prosecute such individuals.

Chellis hopes that other nations will follow our lead, to help stop the global danger that we all face.

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Current Signatories:

Chellis
Kroando
Buddha C
British Londinium
The World Soviet Pact
Malhavok
Allanea

We would hope to see you as a Nuclear Free state, Aqua Anu and her allies are Nuclear Free, we hope that the world would join in that.

Official Statement from the Imperial Coalition of Kroando

The Coalition, after much thought and debate, has decided to sign this treaty and offer it's elaborate Anti-Ballistic Missile System to it's application. For far too long have small pathetic nations ridden with depression and oppression hid behind the cloak of 'nuclear power', feeling that for some reason they are superior to other powers simply because they possess this weapon. Although we do seek to see the end of ICBM's, we cannot offer the destruction of our own at this time, as we do not feel this treaty will adequately provide for the Coalition's defence. Perhaps in later times, we will follow Chellis' path, but at the moment, we simply cannot take this risk.

~Signed,
Lord Protector Victor Fortinbraz
Imperial Senate of the Coalition

Official Statement from the Imperial Coalition of Kroando

The Coalition, after much thought and debate, has decided to sign this treaty and offer it's elaborate Anti-Ballistic Missile System to it's application. For far too long have small pathetic nations ridden with depression and oppression hid behind the cloak of 'nuclear power', feeling that for some reason they are superior to other powers simply because they possess this weapon. Although we do seek to see the end of ICBM's, we cannot offer the destruction of our own at this time, as we do not feel this treaty will adequately provide for the Coalition's defence. Perhaps in later times, we will follow Chellis' path, but at the moment, we simply cannot take this risk.

~Signed,
Lord Protector Victor Fortinbraz
Imperial Senate of the Coalition

Chellis commends Kroando in its choice. We can understand that there are nations not ready to dismantle their nuclear weapons, for no one can tell the future. There were long debates in the Council about whether or not that would be best for Chellis, but we feel the money going towards our ABM systems would be worth it.

But others might not, and thats why its only recommended, and not a concrete part of Grouphug.

We, as Buddha has seen best, are a nuclear free state. Such weapons have a disgusting ammount of reprecusions that many of our fellow, similiarly-sized nations hide behind. We pray that we will gain a Anti-Ballistic Missle System to rid our selves of the threat of such weapons. We wish to join this treaty.

Help your path to Moksha,
Most Enlightened One Ciao Buddha

OOC: What does your ABM system include Chellis and Kroando?

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Statement of the Government of the Britannic Commonwealth

I find the goals adovocated by Chellis to be admirable, and I will do everything pragmatic to help accomplish them.

Therefore, I hereby announce that the Londinian anti-ballistic missile programme shall be utilised to assist in the destruction of offensively fired ICBMs.

However, I do not find it pragmatic at this time to destroy or reduce the Britannic Commonwealth's weapons cache.

Signed,

Phillip Sinclair
President of the Britannic Commonwealth

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Statement of the Government of the Britannic Commonwealth

I find the goals adovocated by Chellis to be admirable, and I will do everything pragmatic to help accomplish them.

Therefore, I hereby announce that the Londinian anti-ballistic missile programme shall be utilised to assist in the destruction of offensively fired ICBMs.

However, I do not find it pragmatic at this time to destroy or reduce the Britannic Commonwealth's weapons cache.

Signed,

Phillip Sinclair
President of the Britannic Commonwealth

We could be wrong, but we aren't. Did not the British Londinium just recently threaten to use nuclear weapons against an invading force, when they had not used, or even threatened the use, of such weapons? It seems a bit hypocritical of your nation, Mr. Sinclair, but then again, people and nations can change.

OOC: Red Tide, Chellis uses a few systems. Kinetic missiles are our main ICBM defense, though we use nuclear-tipped backup missiles. These missiles only get used if nuclear ICBM's are heading towards us, as we'd rather have small nuclear explosions in space, rather than big ones on chellian soil. For detection, we use both satellite based detection, and ground based radars. Its fairly comprehensive, meant to protect chellis from all but the most massed missile spam imaginable to us.

Secure Communiqué to Chellis

President of Chellis:

Whilst my predecessor threatened to nuclear war, I hope to restore the good name of the Britannic Commonwealth and give my nation a reputation for human rights and freedom. Nations do change, and this nation is one of them.

Signed,

Phillip Sinclair
President of the Britannic Commonwealth

OOC: Are you going to ignore my post?

OOC: Are you going to ignore my post?

OOC: What kind of response are you looking for, exactly?

OOC: What kind of response are you looking for, exactly?

OOC: Lol, my bad. Due to my stupidty and love for retarded speeches I forgot to say what I was going to say :(. Just edited it.

[Kroando's Missile Defense System consists of large numbers of armed satellites, as well as a sizeable force of non-armed, detection satellites. Those armed are equipped with missiles, the majority of which, carry EMP based warheads, capable of taking down swaths of missiles in mid air. The non-armed varient simply serve in order to pick up ballistic missiles using IR, LADAR and RADAR detection systems. On the ground Kroando is littered with missile batteries, capable of deploying thousands of Anti-Missile Missiles in seconds.]

OOC: Lol, my bad. Due to my stupidty and love for retarded speeches I forgot to say what I was going to say :(. Just edited it.

OOC: I guess I didn't make it very clear in the original post. You don't need approval to sign the treaty. Its just something you agree to follow, basically.

OOC: Oh... well then. I guess I follow? Do we all have acces to the ABMs?

OOC: Oh... well then. I guess I follow? Do we all have acces to the ABMs?

OOC: No. Each nation retains control over their ABM's. If you don't have ABM's, well, you can be a signatory... just supporting it, instead of doing something :P

OOC: Good, good, then it wont effect my ICBMs which utilise MARVs, FOBS, and EMP-Hardening.

We agree and will sign this pact to finally rid our world of the danger Nuclear weapons naturally carry.
However, we do have a small number of ICBMs (about 10) which are loaded with EMP charges, and we cannot, for the sake of our nation's security, dismantle them.

Nuclear weapons are a blight on humanity. The Nomadic People of Malhavok will sign this treaty.

To: The nation of Chellis
From: The Vrak Ministry of Rites
Subject: Group hug treaty

We take issue with the aims of this alliance, that of actively seeking to destroy nuclear weapons. We see them as an essential deterrent because the Klatch has been invaded, although not successfully, by outsiders that seek to implement their agenda upon our people. We believe that a nation should enjoy sovereignty and employ whatever means necessary to maintain that sovereignty – including the use of nuclear weapons.

The reason why the Federated Klatchian Coast has never had a nuclear strike upon its own soil is because we do not seek to provoke other nations to use those weapons. That is, we chart our own course in this universe and leave most others alone, except in matters of trade. As well, we always seek a diplomatic solution first before pursuing the business of war. We don’t make grandiose statements of how we are going to change the world – of which efforts ultimately fail – but we merely seek to live.

As well, we question as to the effectiveness of such a move. Noble as it may be, will you actively seek to disarm nations such as the Five Kingdoms, Iraqstan, Automagfreek, Pantera, and numerous others? We sincerely doubt it.

Finally, while the state of Vrak and the nation of Chellis have had little to no contact, save your envoys at the FKC Christmas party, we would hope that your aggressive approach would not draw us into conflict. It seems unlikely, given our respective geographical remoteness, but other nations seem to agree with your treaty and therefore are committing themselves. Therefore, a word of caution; we ask that the signatories of the Group hug treaty respect the interests of the FKC and seek not to actively interfere in the destruction of FKC nuclear assets.

Signed,

[Great Seal of the Vrak Ministry of Rites]

Unofficial Flag of the Federated Klatchian Coast

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To: The Grandiose Nation of Vrak
From: Chellian Foreign Ministry


Greetings from Chellis!

Chellis does not seek the active destruction of nuclear armaments. We simply wish to do our best to stop nuclear wars from erupting. We wish to come to an agreement with you, but its hard, as we cannot exactly make exceptions here. Firing nuclear weapons, especially not in retaliation, is one of the worst crimes of humanity we can think of.

We understand your position of wanting to maintain your sovereignty at all costs, Chellis views that as tantamount. However, does Vrak really need to resort to firing nuclear weapons at another's nation, killing potentially millions of innocents, to assure victory? Cannot you use tactical nuclear weapons on invading forces?

To: The nation of Chellis
From: The Vrak Ministry of Rites
Subject: Group hug treaty

First, we suggest that in future diplomatic communication, you refer to us as "Vrak" or in the longer form; "The Glorious Kingdom of Vrak" and address future correspondence to the Vrak Ministry of Rites. Using the word "grandiose" is not in the proper form of address and, quite frankly, attempts to score cheap comedic points lowers our respect of you and makes yourselves look foolish.

Now, we don't think we are completely out of line by stating that your treaty is grandiose because it calls for the destruction of another nation's nuclear weapons. As well, it is potentially dangerious because you and the other signatories could potentially become involved in an unwanted conflict by upholding your treaty obligations.

Ponder this, nation of Chellis, what has been one of the main reasons for conflict in this universe we share? Could it be different nations forming ideological alliances that bring them into conflict? Alliances that promote communism, capitalism, a certain religious faith, being castigating others as enemies and then carry out crusades to destroy eachother? We believe so. Worse, some alliances and nations invade others under the flimsiest of excuses in order to exert their agenda on others. We see this alliance as no different that the others. Only trade type of alliances such as KIST seem to be somewhat effective at reducing tensions. If nations would make a real attempt at diplomacy instead of entering the costly business of war to settle disagreements, bloodshed in the universe would be reduced

The universe is indeed a dangerous place and we can appreciate your point of view at reducing nuclear weapons. However, unless real incentives can be given for nations to reduce their nuclear profile, we feel that the noble cause that you seek, and it is noble, is doomed to fail.

Now, in the history of Vrak, we have not launched one single nuclear weapon, not even a tactical one, at any aggressor. So, we feel that our history speaks for itself in that matter. At the same time, we feel that we must utilize every weapon in our arsenal to ensure our survival. We realize that many nations believe that they automatically think they have the moral high ground by not attacking first or by not using nuclear weapons, but we believe that each circumstance needs to be examined by its own merits. If the state of Vrak (and by state we mean here a state of the super state FKC) or by extension the FKC was hard-pressed in a war, we can assure you that our survival is paramount and moral niceties will fall by the wayside rather quickly.

Still, you have given us much to ponder and we hope that this dialogue can continue in either this or another form in the future.

[Great Seal of the Vrak Ministry of Rites]

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To: The nation of Chellis
From: The Vrak Ministry of Rites
Subject: Group hug treaty

First, we suggest that in future diplomatic communication, you refer to us as "Vrak" or in the longer form; "The Glorious Kingdom of Vrak" and address future correspondence to the Vrak Ministry of Rites. Using the word "grandiose" is not in the proper form of address and, quite frankly, attempts to score cheap comedic points lowers our respect of you and makes yourselves look foolish.

Now, we don't think we are completely out of line by stating that your treaty is grandiose because it calls for the destruction of another nation's nuclear weapons. As well, it is potentially dangerious because you and the other signatories could potentially become involved in an unwanted conflict by upholding your treaty obligations.

Ponder this, nation of Chellis, what has been one of the main reasons for conflict in this universe we share? Could it be different nations forming ideological alliances that bring them into conflict? Alliances that promote communism, capitalism, a certain religious faith, being castigating others as enemies and then carry out crusades to destroy eachother? We believe so. Worse, some alliances and nations invade others under the flimsiest of excuses in order to exert their agenda on others. We see this alliance as no different that the others. Only trade type of alliances such as KIST seem to be somewhat effective at reducing tensions. If nations would make a real attempt at diplomacy instead of entering the costly business of war to settle disagreements, bloodshed in the universe would be reduced

The universe is indeed a dangerous place and we can appreciate your point of view at reducing nuclear weapons. However, unless real incentives can be given for nations to reduce their nuclear profile, we feel that the noble cause that you seek, and it is noble, is doomed to fail.

Now, in the history of Vrak, we have not launched one single nuclear weapon, not even a tactical one, at any aggressor. So, we feel that our history speaks for itself in that matter. At the same time, we feel that we must utilize every weapon in our arsenal to ensure our survival. We realize that many nations believe that they automatically think they have the moral high ground by not attacking first or by not using nuclear weapons, but we believe that each circumstance needs to be examined by its own merits. If the state of Vrak (and by state we mean here a state of the super state FKC) or by extension the FKC was hard-pressed in a war, we can assure you that our survival is paramount and moral niceties will fall by the wayside rather quickly.

Still, you have given us much to ponder and we hope that this dialogue can continue in either this or another form in the future.

[Great Seal of the Vrak Ministry of Rites]

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To: Vrak Ministry of Rites
From: Chellian Foreign Ministry

Greetings from Chellis!

We would like to apologize. We meant no disrespect using the word Grandiose. English isnt a primary language in chellis(OOC: I probably misused the word), so if we said something dumb, we are sorry. We meant it as a compliment, we assure you.

Now, we would like to make it clear that Grouphug is NOT an alliance. We personally dislike some of the signatories, and would prefer to not deal with them. However, this isn't an alliance, and we are simply trying to promote an agenda of stopping the wide-spread usage of nuclear weapons, which you surely must notice is widely misused. Any situation in which Vrak would use them, surely, is an exception to the norm of most who use them.

The reason Grouphug uses aggressive means, that being the indiscriminate destruction of nuclear weapons in flight, is to make sure that the treaty does not fail. As more nations join, it becomes harder to fire a nuclear missile, and have enough reach a target to get through the target's own ABM systems. So more nations join, to get protection against those who would try against them, spending more of their money on ABM's instead. Its meant to be a chain effect.

Again, Chellis understands that Vrak is a responsible nation, and we believe Vrak would only use such weapons in a justified manner. Honestly, the treaty is not completely set in stone. If someone was well justified in an attack, even if it wasn't in retaliation, Chellis might refuse to destroy the weapons, assuming it had the ability to do so, on ethical grounds.

To: Chellian Foreign Ministry
From: The Vrak Ministry of Rites
Subject: Group hug treaty

Your apology is accepted.

Secondly, we shall rephrase our classification of the treaty structure. From this point, we shall not refer to Grouphug as an alliance.

Thirdly, again we can understand the broad aims of the treaty, but perhaps what is needed is some real incentives for nations to give up their nuclear weaponry. That is, can nations be given an opportunity to develop alternative means of protection that equal the devastation of a nuclear warhead without the after effects of fall out? Perhaps this is an area that could be fully explored by the participating signatories. In other words, if Vrak had the full and proven technological capability to develop weaponry equal or even greater to nuclear weapons, then we certainly would see no need to keep our considerable nuclear stockpile.

[Great Seal of the Vrak Ministry of Rites]

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Official Announcement of the United States of Allanea

As of now, the United States will begin a program to convert it's arsenal of ICBM's into commercial space rockets, which will be used to take to orbit an array of sattelites and platforms used by the United States of Allanea in it's military efforts. As such, we will no longer be forced to maintain the stockpile of expensive and useless Inter Continental Ballistic Missiles, that'll likely be shot down by enemy ABM and will trigger a MAD-type response.

Instead, we will develop – as the Vrakians suggested – an array of other destructive tools that will not cause fallout, or at least will cause less fallout.

We will however continue our work on the development of other nuclear weapons, in part because Last Chance nuclear interceptor missiles are part of our ABM program and will have to remain in it.

We would like to promise to the nations of the world that, under the Nuclear Weaponry Reduction Act 2007, the military of Allanea will no longer use thermonuclear weapons with the exception of using them to intercept enemy nuclear weapons launches or in retaliation to them, or nuclear usage in space, where fallout is not a big problem.

We will also use our ABM systems, and our Orbital Combatant Arrays, to intercept ICBMs and other nuclear weapons whenever possible.a

OOC: Can you make a list of Group Hug members?

'Last Chance' Second Stage Universal Anti-Ballistic Missile

The USABMs mission profile is that of a second wave interceptor for multi national use, it presumes that conventional radar has been rendered useless by the first wave of ABM / RV interaction. Therefore the units primary method of acquisition is optic and infra red though it is also equipped with side scanning phased LADAR arrays. Given this the unit has a large transparent nose cone for the targeting system. The USABMs second stage can vary the thrust between four engines to actively manoeuvre the missile into the minimal area presented towards a major near by detonation and assists in preventing fratricide.

On arming the units large optic targeting array is revealed, a 18.9 Gigapixel plater of multi channel CCDs on a shock absorbed independently traversing mount with counter blast shutters to preserve the unit from dazzling or burn out by near by detonations and full EM shielding on all soft components. The unit automaticly networks with other units in its flight via phased laser communications with ad hoc networking capacity with any other USABM.

Primary armament consists of 4 one megaton thermonuclear devices each mounted on a single hypersonic solid fuelled 18 kilometre ranged rocket allowing an effective blanketing of an area with multiple blast waves from one USABM and an attempted redress of the advantages of MIRV armed hostile inbounds. These rockets and the warheads are stored within a heavily shielded cavity beneath the targeting and communications stage which is jettisoned just prior to launch. This allows a considerable increase in shielding during warfare and warhead survivability during misfire.

The USABM is designed for conventional ground based fixed or mobile launchers and its launch phase is effectively cold enough to require no specific extraction systems if siloed.

The USABM has three stages, primary is a launch phase and is purely designed to gain at least 120,000 feet of altitude, secondary is the boost phase and is designed to orient the USABM to the target vector, and tertiary is the terminal phase with a variable throttle liquid motor and orients the rocket launcher to the optimum attainable launch vector.

The United States of Allanea maintains at any time a force of approximately 1200 Second Stage USABMs of the Last Chance program. Of those, approximately half are distributed through Strategic Forts and other permanent installations in mainland Allanea, the Haven Allanean colonies, and the Hashi Continent. The other half are protecting Allanean North America, Allanean Midlands, the Allanean Mainland via vehicle-based mobile launchers.

However, this is not the uniqueness of the device. The uniqueness of the 'Last Chance' missile system is that it is openly available to not only allies of Allanea, but to all members of the Group Hug Treaty and to all nations in general – including those hostile to Allanea!

Moreover, the design of the missile is available freely via the General Public License (the GPL), and all nations are free to download the basic operating system used by the launch computer (a slightly modified version of Freespire). The only condition is that improved designs are made available under the GPL as well.

However, we feel it will be cheaper for your nation to procure these missiles from Allanean Arms, or Rayne Industries, since otherwise you'd also have to pay for setting up your own production facilities.

As such, call 1800-1800-NIVEN for the Allanean Arms facilities or 1800-1800-RAYNE for the Rayne industries distributors!

Cost: 150 million dollars.


OOC: A large portion of this write-up was done by ZMI. Thanks, man. You win. At life. Here's the writeup I used, note graphic. It was done by ZMI at my request for this very purpose.

P.S. The reason I've posted this here is because this has been designed by ZMI at my request for a Group-Hug specific ABM device.

"The nuclear warhead is a scourge upon humanity and a blight on the earth. Any government, group, or person who creates or utilizes nuclear weaponry is a traitor to their Mother and their race. Kesshite is disgusted by the weakness displayed by those who hide behind their atomics and hopes that whatever destruction and death they cause with this weaponry is visited upon them in seven times number."

~ Cyrus as she signed the agreement