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I am wondering if there is anyone left from the "glory" days of nationstates being the last two or three years. I just made a new nation to try, once again, to get a good core set up to roleplay with. I was a nation called Nascent, not that anyone will remember me.

I'm from November 2003. Might remember me as Hogsweat. There's a few left around but almost all my old friends from "the good old days" have left or inactive.

Well, I'm still here :P

Yeah, FT seems to have more older nations than MT :-(

I haev returned recently...Automag is still around as are a few toehrs but most are gone...

Gone are the days when the "03" in your creation date would win you automatic fear and respect :-(

I first joined back in 2004 under the name of Kulikovo.

so has the quality of the rps gone down or what?

Depends on what kind of rping you're into.

Sort of, but I'd say it depends upon who you RP with, which alliance blocs you fall in with etc. FT does seem to have the majority of the old guard, but the MT old Guard are giants to be feared. I prefer to see myself more as a Titan :P

While the average RP quality today is slightly higher than it was in 2003, most RPs tend to be either long, detailed, written-out posts (i.e. the Yaforian/Eurusean school) or one-liners/short, non-detailed posts (i.e. the DGNTian/Pythogrian school). Both schools think little of the other. That, and people are no longer taking NS as seriously as it might be -- as actual international politics -- so ignores, retcons, and the like over small petty matters like "You attacked my satellite after we agreed the war was over on MSN! I ignore you liek forever!!!1" or "You have 8 billion people and I have only 700 million. It's no fair. I ignore you." or "I'm not satisfied with how my nation turned out after this war, so I'm retconning it." are becoming quite common.

Some of the "old guard" is still around and watching; NATO was recently revived, and Gholgoth is making itself felt on the international scene, as is the Reich. Arda, RWC, GDODAD et cetera seem to have disappeared completely, and permanently; we now have an all-new set of alliances: the Sovereign League, the Alliance for Protection of Civilisation (APOC), the Union of Communist Nations (UCN) and its counteralliance the Anti-Communist Treaty Organisation (ACTO), the Global Alliance of Sovereign Nations (GASN), and so on.

NS is in a kind of transition period right now. A lot of the old guard members are dying off or leaving; there's still some conflict over what the new guard will be; in the meantime today's reigning and respected powers are a kind of middle guard of early to middle 2004 -- Doomingsland, Praetonia, Skinny87, Hamptonshire, Ottoman Khaif, Azazia, Pacitalia, Generic Empire, Jenrak, etc. -- while a new guard of 2005 and 2006 nations that is to gain influence and respect has yet to form itself fully, although nations from this time such as the Kraven Corporation (originator of today's evil megacorporation trend, vs. the old evil ork-nation or theocracy trend) have already become quite well-known.

*actually, I've been around since March '03, but I wouldn't remember me either...*

Mt has a lot of middle ground to new nations who're doing well for themselves, FT really has to work on breaking the deadlock. Theres been some decent middle ground RPers, but very few of the new bloods ever break the mold of noobishness. The old guard are dwindling, but at least the ESUS is coming back, of sorts.

We need to see more better new nations, backed by the competant middle ground who in turn are propping up the corrupt and decadant golden oldie aristocracy :P

*actually, I've been around since March '03, but I wouldn't remember me either...*

(whatever. For argument's sake I'm assuming you didn't become part of the "middle guard" until you rejoined NS. Technicality anyway, I'm no historian and probably have messed up half of my analysis in the first place.)

It depends on where you look, as to what you will find. The Reich still exists, as do plenty of bloc's or alliances that existed from years previous. In the meantime, it's good to see that a few people I used to roleplay with still around; I'm still around for those who remember me, albeit not as much in International Incidences.

Peace.

- The Player of Austar Union

Description of a new age RPer:

I have yet to IGNORE any nation for their actions (though I have every so often asked them to reconsider the feasabilty of their actions).

My posts are generally short, though I view long detailed posts as awe inspiring, as I strive to be creative (or organised) enough to whip such massive tracts of detailed text on demand. But most of this information goes unoticed, so I paraphrase most mundane or 'unimportant' actions, or actions I do not wish to draw attention to.

I generally post replies that conform with the theme of the other posts on the thread, and lack a unique style, besides choice wording and concepts to which I am partial to. (short posted threads get shrt replies, long posted get my best attempt at long detailed replies, but generally get shorter as the thread goes on, since more and more actions become 'mundane')

When given a vague response ICly, I generally give the replyer ther third degree OOCly to find out what he meant, as I almost always assume he is trying to hide something, or pull a fast one ICly/OOCly.

And that, is what an average 2005 RPer is like.

(whatever. For argument's sake I'm assuming you didn't become part of the "middle guard" until you rejoined NS. Technicality anyway, I'm no historian and probably have messed up half of my analysis in the first place.)

I wholly agree, huzzah for the middle guard perhaps? Perhaps not... Anyways, it's just nice to see familiar names pop up--though I think everyone I ever RPed with to any extent has long since vanished. Regardless, my memories most likely now have rusty interiors and silvered exteriors...

I am wondering if there is anyone left from the "glory" days of nationstates being the last two or three years. I just made a new nation to try, once again, to get a good core set up to roleplay with. I was a nation called Nascent, not that anyone will remember me.


I have been here since July of 2003, but I don't remember you. I think most of the eldest nations are either gone or don't play much anymore. I just started a new country called Koramerica that I use for MT & PMT. The length of my post usually reflect how much extra time I have to devote to it
at any given time.

And that, is what an average 2005 RPer is like.

Is that not just what you are like as an RPer and not 2005 nations in general, but hey I don't have enough grounds to judge, I'm not sure myself what the average 2005 nation is like (despite being one) I've tried to be a good RPer but like most of the things I try, I even out to be average...

I've almost hit the end of my first year. I wish I had been here to see the so-called "glory years." Sounds fun.

Is that not just what you are like as an RPer and not 2005 nations in general, but hey I don't have enough grounds to judge, I'm not sure myself what the average 2005 nation is like (despite being one) I've tried to be a good RPer but like most of the things I try, I even out to be average...

Quite true.

I'm not sure there -is- such a thing as an average 2005 nation. For instance, my roleplaying style is very different from that of, say, the Lone Alliance, which is very different from that of Xirnium, which is very different from that of Novacom.

Then there is the difference between early 2005 nations and late 2005 nations... and 2005 nations that have since vanished and are already sometimes seen as old-timers, such as Halberdgardia and McKagan...

-.-

I've almost hit the end of my first year. I wish I had been here to see the so-called "glory years." Sounds fun.

Just you wait... in two years people will be saying the same thing about 2005 and 2006.

Hell, I'm 2004 and I'm already considered ancient. When I joined people were reminiscing about the good old days of 2003 (I don't remember what specifically; I didn't pay much attention). Now people reminisce about NATO, RWC, GDODAD, and the like, which were active around the time I joined. Someday they'll be reminiscing about GASN, UCN, and APOC.

Then there is the difference between early 2005 nations and late 2005 nations... and 2005 nations that have since vanished and are already sometimes seen as old-timers, such as Halberdgardia and McKagan...

-.-

I don't even see why it really matters. I don't really care if people consider me old-timer or not, I don't. Not to mention, this isn't a popularity contest either. :p

I've been around since April 2003. My nation was resurrected about a year ago after missing a year or two from 04-05. It gives me a unique perspective to compare the 'glory years' with what it is now.

First of all, the forums are much better now. All you that complain about Jolt don't know how good you have it. The original nationstates.net forums were godawful, originally unmoderated, and had more frequent downtime than a flying tank. Or a hot air balloon. Take your pick. Not to mention sextuple posting because the forums weren't responding. Jolt is like a breath of fresh air combined with walking in a garden of flowers and being fed a gourmet meal by top-class French chefs compared to the old forums.

Secondly, RPing nowadays is actually much better in terms of length and quality of posts, depending on whose crowd you run with. In the old guard, as Czardas put it, our RPing has gotten exponentially better. We've moved from one-paragraph posts about some ships doing some stuff to entire threads where all that's posted are enormous multi-page posts with levels of detail that would make Tolkien cry. Maybe it's because we got into it more so we did more reading so we knew more so we elaborated more. I like to think it's because we improved as writers through tons of practice.

On the other hand, if you run with what I will affectionately call the '06ers, things are different. I've noticed a tendency towards lack of respect for the fact that actions have consequences, a mass overuse of ignoring people followed by flaunting it (In my day we put some funny images and then just ignored them, rather than responding to every post they made with 'I'm sorry, I'm ignoring you. LALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!'), and a desire for power so great they can't accept that other nations are bigger, better, and more experienced than them. Again, this is not everyone. I've seen some amazing '06ers doing some amazing roleplaying. But this is a slight trend I have noticed.

These days, the right to ignore anything has pretty much ruined war RPing. In the old days, if someone did something IC, it was respected that it had happened, whether stupid or not. If someone launched nukes at your nation, you couldn't scream about 'I didn't agree to this beforehand, so I ignore it!' Tough luck. It happened. Poland's leader didn't tell Hitler it was okay to invade. NS was taken more seriously, more like international politics, although, to be fair, international politics run by hyped-up preteens. If you ignored something that was a valid IC action, everyone ignored you in return, and you would find it incredibly hard to roleplay with that nation. Take The Bisons, for example. Everyone from '03 probably remembers The Bisons. His entire country of 300+ people got nuked into oblivion and he tried to pretend it didn't happen. In return, everyone refused to RP with him until he founded a new nation, and even then, OOC people treated the new nation with a healthy dose of skepticism.

I think that's all for now, but I'm sure I'll have more to say later.

I don't even see why it really matters. I don't really care if people consider me old-timer or not, I don't. Not to mention, this isn't a popularity contest either. :p

True, II is and has always been one big penis-measuring contest, not a popularity contest. If you want popularity contests, that's what we have the General Forum for. :p

I have to agree with Haraki on all points... probably the reason our attack on GASN didn't work out was because we expected they would go along with it, because the planning on our side came from the people who expected that when you're attacked, you respond in kind, not question the value of the attack from such a point of view. I think, and I'm not saying this because I have 7.5 billion population, but for some sense of order in I.I, that people have to respect there are nations that could beat them down in seconds and not act all "LOL, I can bete u but wen it turns owt that u invaed me i retconn" but I will display my own blatant hypocrisy in that I think the "old guard " should act more respectfully towards the newer RPers, because almost all of us were one-lining, godmodding, ignorant idiots when we first arrived.

These days, the right to ignore anything has pretty much ruined war RPing. In the old days, if someone did something IC, it was respected that it had happened, whether stupid or not.


That's one thing I really don't like. People care too much about their nations, which is ironic considering they don't really exist. If someone decided to nuke me, and I believed they had the capabilities to do it and the strategy to deliver it, I would let it happen. The problem is no one even uses nukes because they assume an auto-ignore from the recipient.

I don't even see any good wars happening lately.

True, II is and has always been one big penis-measuring contest, not a popularity contest. If you want popularity contests, that's what we have the General Forum for.

Why am I suddenly reminded of Russian Forces?

Have to agree on the exponential growth thing, which also ties in with the 06 thing, since they haven't had as much time to grow and develop and find themselves.

When you compare NS with real life, even bigger nations invade smaller ones for intense personal gain. We ought to cut them some slack, I suppose. But the difference between us and alot of the new blood is that we actually wanted to get better and took advice as it came to us, to join in the golden days and the epic scales of the confrontations and RPS that were kicking about.

They have to want to change, not rile against us because we try to help.

One theory I've come up with is that the quality of RPing on NS increases at a set rate based on when you joined and how long you've been here. So an '03 nation in '06 would be the same as an '04 nation in '07. Of course this would be a very loose rate, and more of a guideline, but I think everyone gets better if they want to get better. Back in 2003 we wanted to get better. We strived for perfection. We wanted (although it may have just been our egos) to be damned good RPers.

Nowadays, many of us (from what I've seen) have left. Most of those of us that remain are damned good RPers, which is what we wanted. So if a new nation wants to be a good RPer and is willing to put three years into it, they should be able to. Not to mention they'll get better faster than we did since they have people at all stages of development all around them to look at and model themselves after.

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You should probably recall on calls of 'doomsday' not all that long ago, when the more advanced roleplayers of I.I. thought that the quality of writings of those times would subsequently condemn the future of N.S. to death. This of course, didn't happen... those who wanted to learn stayed on to continue playing and got better at it... those who didn't wrote for a small time, got bored, and dropped off.

Its the same with any group of newbies. But of course, you always should be careful with who you're writing with anyways. Some might call it elitist, but I only bother writing with people who I know I'd enjoy writing with.

The game's about having fun afterall.

I used to be one of the best non-NS related rpers back in the day (in my opinion).

I used to be one of the best non-NS related rpers back in the day (in my opinion).

That's always a dangerous opinion to have, in my opinion.

I'd like to think I'm a good roleplayer, but whenever my heads gets too swollen I just look around, read a good RP, and remind myself that there's lots of people better than me. I don't want to have that bigheaded 'I'm the best' attitude, though if that happened to be my reputation, well ... I'd accept it with resignation and a hint of triumph.

Is that not just what you are like as an RPer and not 2005 nations in general, but hey I don't have enough grounds to judge, I'm not sure myself what the average 2005 nation is like (despite being one) I've tried to be a good RPer but like most of the things I try, I even out to be average...

Well, I took a stab at the concept, can't blame someone for trying...

Actually, the introductory posts (first post of a nation on a particular thread) is generally among the most thought out, followed by a short spam of shorter posts until they hit another well thought out post.

There are a few people out there who will redundantly post the same, or similar actions to such detail that you have to compare the two events side by side to find any differances, but that is -hopefully- few.

And when a newer RPer is given a short/undesireable response, he will generally only have 3 choices:
1: Ask many questions, and hope he gives you a long post.
(Paranoid)
2: Give an equally short reply because he didn't give you much to reply to, leaving as much to the imagination as possable.
(Defensive post)
3: Run with it until he cries foul.
(Offensive post)

And yes Haraki, I guess I can see how these newer threads are better than the old ones, except now the biggest faults are in the behavior of the posters, and not the forum.

I've seen wars get OOCly dismissed (5 so far) Thread starters die, eventually leading to the demise of the thread (3 so far). Though I've yet to encounter a permement IGNORE (but I've seen many RPs die due to OOC squabbling).

And yes, it gets odd when a 3rd party nation asks for other to reconsider the idea of using WMD on something the size of Delaware, especially when it means proportional destruction of themselves by allied nations...
(Resaulted in IC agreement of a 'limited' Proxy war)

I'm all for getting invaded, cept nobody ICly wants to invade me.
Not that I'm OOCly or ICly asking to get invaded, I'm just wondering why I've never been invaded?
Blackhelm gets invaded what? 3 times?
I get 'invaded' by some touring flyboys and some interdimensional zombies...

I agree. I've noticed a notable drop in the quality of RPs from people with such high opinions of their own RPing -- they think they can't improve, so they don't try, so they get worse.

I'm still here.

The last breath of the glory days was probably the NATO-NWO-RWC war that occured about 2 years ago. Those were great times. I don't think NS has ever had a war approach that in terms of magnitude.

...I don't think NS has ever had a war approach that in terms of magnitude.

I beg to differ. The largest wars NS has ever seen were World War 4 and World War 5, in March-April-May 2003. I'll tell you why:

NS is big. More than that, NS is huge. There's over 100,000 nations. if we assume only one in ten are a real nation (not a puppet) that posts on the forums, we get 10,000 people. If we say then that half (Or, to make it better, a quarter) of those nations RP, what are we left with? 2,500 nations, about. I doubt that's the actual number of RPers on NS, but it's some big number like that.

You cannot have a war, or an RP of any kind, with that many nations. You cannot have an NS World War. You just can't, because a World War is one that encompasses the world. You can't have anything that encompasses the NS world. It's the same reason there are no NS superpowers. Yes, there are people and alliances that dominate anything they enter, but not everyone cares, because NS is a BIG place.

Now, what's the biggest alliance you've ever seen? 25 nations? 50? 100?

Even if all that alliance's members got in a war, it would just be a big war, the way the NATO-RWC war was.

But the biggest war ever, relative to the overall size of NS' roleplaying community, was WW4-5, in which pretty much every nation outside of GDODAD teamed up to take out GDODAD. Because everyone hated GDODAD. As I've detailed before, you were ignored for ignoring, and GDODAD intimidated almost everyone. There were, I believe, under a hundred nations in it, and most were probably under 50 million people.The largest were a couple hundred million. Given quality of RPing back then and the objective size of GDODAD, I believe that my nation now could defeat GDODAD from WW4-5 on its own.

But they were big for their time, because everyone else was even smaller. And people got fed up of being bullied around ICly, and roleplaying fear for GDODAD, so everyone fought them. It was huge. It was the only true NS world war ever, and in the end GDODAD was destroyed. Pretty much every nation that roleplayed war was involved, and everyone that was around back then will tell you it was the largest war NS has ever seen.

Then, of course, came the new people that had never heard of GDODAD, and all this just became memories and stories of a super alliance that everyone actually had to roleplay fear of, but that we all teamed up to beat. It just goes to show. A consolidated force, even if smaller than everyone else put together, can still inspire fear and revulsion. The whole, indeed, is bigger than the sum of its parts.

I got all philosophical and rambling, didn't I? Damn.

In any case, WW4-5 was the biggest war NS has ever seen. Although other stuff has been good and big too. But NS grew too fast for any other war to ever have the impact that those had.

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Now, what's the biggest alliance you've ever seen? 25 nations? 50? 100?

Even if all that alliance's members got in a war, it would just be a big war, the way the NATO-RWC war was.

Quite so... I, and a lot of other comparatively new players around at that time -- who were neither in NATO, NWO, nor RWC -- did not participate or even notice much aside from noticing the fact that there was a big war going on, with much bigger nations we couldn't really compete with in terms of military power or RPing skill. Thus, it couldn't really count as a world war. On the other hand, NS was small enough at the time of GDODAD that there could be wars in which everyone was involved.

Well anyways...I reamber the first thing I did was to try adn pick a fight with Pantera...not a good idea and he scared the shit out of me. I messed aroudn wtih GODAD and so on and became a bit board with NS. Then in about mid 2003 me and Credonia formed a strong allince and started a war on terror after the HLF launched a dirty bomb on my captial

After a long war, my forces finally lynched his final cell in the Facist White States... and I promtly got invaded my a coalition of nations who supported him and wanted to wipe out my region-old guys liek Inderpendent Hitmen and Holty Panloony. (Noiw Guffingford...) However I managed to hold out and bribe Panloony to join me and we wiped out Hitmens forces and I took several nations as coloneys. That was the start of Aust as a great Imperial power and with Credonia and Panloony we seized a lot of terrortoy and attacked just about evrywehre...

Then he left and I became a 'good' nation again, aboloishing the slave trade and jst being nice to people, hell I even joined some of the good allinces and forght against GODADS 5th rise, acting as an inside agent (I was offically head of there intellagenece devision, adn thus in there high command. I elaked a lot of secrets that way)

After that NS went into a lull, like the current one and I spent a lot of time forging diplomatic relations and having civil wars that resulted in the distruction of Neauvo Kowloon and the seizing of there entire population as slaves. i was invaded (Yet again) in retalition. This time I lost and they set up a Democratic Govertment in Aust.

Then Palpatines son, Johnstine, took over and took me into the RWC which was foudned by my old ally Holy Panloony. I became Vice-President and President for Intellagence on NATO and President for Recruitment. However when my old ally Dumpsterdam was attacked in Operation: Brimstone I resigned to defend him. Needless to say I lost, and with it I lost most of my powerful airforce in a last ditch attack against superior forces to save him...

Then I went inactive, toehr than a few faceoffs and 1 off RP's, did a bit of dabbling in FT until i returned in a bradnd new form...

Calling all old people eh?

>_>

<_<

Whoops, I'm supposed to be retired....[/ninjavanish]

I'm still here.

The last breath of the glory days was probably the NATO-NWO-RWC war that occured about 2 years ago. Those were great times. I don't think NS has ever had a war approach that in terms of magnitude.

The RWC never got involved offically with Brimstone. Though about 20 of us resigned to save Dumsterdam. That one was hard to follow though...

Then there was Allenras sucidal attack oN Automagfreek, which was pritty much suicide...

Calling all old people eh?

>_>

<_<

Whoops, I'm supposed to be retired....[/ninjavanish]

Hell I havn't seen you for ages!

The RWC never got involved offically with Brimstone. Though about 20 of us resigned to save Dumsterdam. That one was hard to follow though...

Then there was Allenras sucidal attack oN Automagfreek, which was pritty much suicide...

Fighting AMF period is suicide. Anyone remember his total bitch raping of Austo-Hungary.

Hell I havn't seen you for ages!


That's cause I'm invisible. Like magic.

*waves arms around all mysticly* WooooOOOOooooOOOOOooooooOOOO!

Well, I took a stab at the concept, can't blame someone for trying...

Actually, the introductory posts (first post of a nation on a particular thread) is generally among the most thought out, followed by a short spam of shorter posts until they hit another well thought out post.

There are a few people out there who will redundantly post the same, or similar actions to such detail that you have to compare the two events side by side to find any differances, but that is -hopefully- few.

And when a newer RPer is given a short/undesireable response, he will generally only have 3 choices:
1: Ask many questions, and hope he gives you a long post.
(Paranoid)
2: Give an equally short reply because he didn't give you much to reply to, leaving as much to the imagination as possable.
(Defensive post)
3: Run with it until he cries foul.
(Offensive post)

And yes Haraki, I guess I can see how these newer threads are better than the old ones, except now the biggest faults are in the behavior of the posters, and not the forum.

I've seen wars get OOCly dismissed (5 so far) Thread starters die, eventually leading to the demise of the thread (3 so far). Though I've yet to encounter a permement IGNORE (but I've seen many RPs die due to OOC squabbling).

And yes, it gets odd when a 3rd party nation asks for other to reconsider the idea of using WMD on something the size of Delaware, especially when it means proportional destruction of themselves by allied nations...
(Resaulted in IC agreement of a 'limited' Proxy war)

I'm all for getting invaded, cept nobody ICly wants to invade me.
Not that I'm OOCly or ICly asking to get invaded, I'm just wondering why I've never been invaded?
Blackhelm gets invaded what? 3 times?
I get 'invaded' by some touring flyboys and some interdimensional zombies...

:-p I like 3. Well this is kinda late. But just wanted to say something.

Fighting AMF period is suicide. Anyone remember his total bitch raping of Austo-Hungary.

yeah, I posted popcorn on that threa.d I've thought him 3 times. I held my own the first time, 2nd time I was bitchslapped (Brimstone Campagn) and 3rd time I stepped into protect adn ally and it was a bit of a cold war. I knew attacking him was sucidie and he knew the same so we basically traded bomber raids and I nagoiated a ceasefire...

That's cause I'm invisible. Like magic.

*waves arms around all mysticly* WooooOOOOooooOOOOOooooooOOOO!

Wheres he gone! i can't see him, it's like magic!

I used to have a nation here in 04, Uransia. But I lost motivation for it pretty much as soon as it started. Mostly b/c every time I looked at my nation's name it reminded me of piss >.>

Then I started this nation but was somewhat hesitant to start rping until I was at about 1.1 billion pop. And there's the brief history of me ;)

But from what I've seen in II till now I think it'd be better for some of the older nations to start rping once more, you know, give everyone else a chance to see politics on the big scale, new titanic wars and how it should be done etc. I myself read most of the stickies before I made my first ic posts here and frankly, I think ignoring is stupid. Unless you get to the point where the other side posts your losses and silly stuff like that. Anyhow...yeah.

Fighting AMF period is suicide. Anyone remember his total bitch raping of Austo-Hungary.

Bah, that wasn't a challenge in the slightest. Slapping GDODAD not once but twice in WW4 and WW5 was, and is something I often reminisce about. I'll never forget how fun it all was, especially the drama just before the shooting started.

And Aust, I remember all of our conflicts save for Brimstone being cut short for OOC reasons. Besides that one war, we've never finished a conflict.

I wish Hellfire would have been finished. That could have been interesting :/

Curious, is there a big history book of NS? or will these supposed great threads be forever lost to us newer guys?

Curious, is there a big history book of NS? or will these supposed great threads be forever lost to us newer guys?

The Archive (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=1233)board and NSWiki. Thats about it I think.

I'm around.

Not incredibly well known, but I've been here a while.

kind of middle guard of early to middle 2004 -- Doomingsland, Praetonia, Skinny87, Hamptonshire, Ottoman Khaif, Azazia, Pacitalia, Generic Empire, Jenrak, etc. .


OMFG...I am part of the middle guard and never knew it...WOOT!

You know... us late 'O6ers' just want to be loved.

I am wondering if there is anyone left from the "glory" days of nationstates being the last two or three years. I just made a new nation to try, once again, to get a good core set up to roleplay with. I was a nation called Nascent, not that anyone will remember me.

Since I am an 04' nation, I guess you could consider me a "glory days" member. How ever, since I didn't really start RPing until early 05, I really don't know which catergory I fall into.

You should probably recall on calls of 'doomsday' not all that long ago, when the more advanced roleplayers of I.I. thought that the quality of writings of those times would subsequently condemn the future of N.S. to death. This of course, didn't happen... those who wanted to learn stayed on to continue playing and got better at it... those who didn't wrote for a small time, got bored, and dropped off.

Its the same with any group of newbies. But of course, you always should be careful with who you're writing with anyways. Some might call it elitist, but I only bother writing with people who I know I'd enjoy writing with.

The game's about having fun afterall.

Of course it is, and in my time here I've tried to associate with those I'd enjoy associated with, but I've nevr ignored anyone, I've always strove to accept anyone who came along and try and make something out of our association.

I like to think of myself as a reasonable and accepting fellow who people would want to RP with, and who tries to RP with and help as many people as he can.

I used to have a nation here in 04, Uransia. But I lost motivation for it pretty much as soon as it started. Mostly b/c every time I looked at my nation's name it reminded me of piss >.>

Then I started this nation but was somewhat hesitant to start rping until I was at about 1.1 billion pop. And there's the brief history of me ;)

But from what I've seen in II till now I think it'd be better for some of the older nations to start rping once more, you know, give everyone else a chance to see politics on the big scale, new titanic wars and how it should be done etc. I myself read most of the stickies before I made my first ic posts here and frankly, I think ignoring is stupid. Unless you get to the point where the other side posts your losses and silly stuff like that. Anyhow...yeah.


Quite a few of the "older" nations are roleplaying. But I don't think wars should just happen at the drop of a hat because ultimately it is not as much fun as building up to real good war. I do think that many good rps slip under the radar because, at least the ones I've been involved in, don't post every single hour nor equate "good" rp with frequency of posts.

I am wondering if there is anyone left from the "glory" days of nationstates being the last two or three years. I just made a new nation to try, once again, to get a good core set up to roleplay with. I was a nation called Nascent, not that anyone will remember me.

There are quite a few nations left from the "glory" days, and I use that term loosely. It seems to imply that the older nations are somehow better at rp, which isn't necessarily so. There were quite a few nuckleheads back then just as there are now. To equate "good" rp with number of posts (activity) or start date is just plain wrong.

As well, to start an rp, do you remember anyone that you used to rp with? Do you have any good ideas to get back into it? See anything on the boards that perk your interest or are there regions that tickle your fancy?

A note on WW4-WW5: I was around back then, and while I certainly agree they were World Wars, looking back in perspective, they probably were not very well roleplayed in terms of writing. Mostly short posts, and probably lots of wanking. Still, WW5 is the last world war I recognize on NS terms, but then again, I'm close-minded on when it comes to world wars anyway now.

I caught the tail end of the glory era. I'm sure others will disagree with me, but I believe the NATO-RWC rivalry was the last breath of that era. I wish I could've been around for the true glory days of 2003.

There are quite a few nations left from the "glory" days, and I use that term loosely. It seems to imply that the older nations are somehow better at rp, which isn't necessarily so. There were quite a few nuckleheads back then just as there are now. To equate "good" rp with number of posts (activity) or start date is just plain wrong.

As well, to start an rp, do you remember anyone that you used to rp with? Do you have any good ideas to get back into it? See anything on the boards that perk your interest or are there regions that tickle your fancy?

Honestly, when I was using Nascent, I never really did a whole lot of rps because they would either get swamped with nations like Hataria or Fascist White States and would end up in a name calling contest, or I would simply not be able to post because of my job, or when I was in college, my classes.

Also, I still havent learned how to write a decent story and keep it straight when there are other people writing part of it. My posts usually end up to be short and extremely vague, or I just load it with too many details about the room or so forth. And Ive been around Nationstates under various aliases since before jolt.

I will probably try to get into the whole roleplaying scene again, but more than likely what you will mostly see come out of Taji are single party stories.

Also, I still havent learned how to write a decent story and keep it straight when there are other people writing part of it. My posts usually end up to be short and extremely vague, or I just load it with too many details about the room or so forth. And Ive been around Nationstates under various aliases since before jolt.


Plan the plot with them. That way, you have a semi-coherent idea where it's going and you can post appropriately.

I caught the tail end of the glory era. I'm sure others will disagree with me, but I believe the NATO-RWC rivalry was the last breath of that era. I wish I could've been around for the true glory days of 2003.

Yah them were the days.

Also Nascent I remember you, I'm TIOR and I hope you remember me >_>

Yah them were the days.

Also Nascent I remember you, I'm TIOR and I hope you remember me >_>


It sort of rings a bell, was it an akronym for something?

It sort of rings a bell, was it an akronym for something?

The Island of Rose (coughs)

Yeah you see, I knew it rang a bell or two.

Haha, but seriously, sorry I didnt remember you, its been a pretty crazy year so far.

Haha, but seriously, sorry I didnt remember you, its been a pretty crazy year so far.

It's okay. I came back as a Centrist Republic and I put Sergei in charge again. Nice to see ya back, maybe we can both RP, and stuff.

well... let's see... I was around for about 4 months, then I disappeared. The main difference I see today is the length of posts. Back in '03, RPs moved along at the speed of light, so all you could get in was a paragraph, but now, things move much more slowly (Meaning there's more room for long posts) as most people have a lot of commitments these days (At least I do). There aren't many alliance wars these days, as Questers noted, although that (the GASN/SL war) fell apart for a set of different reasons, in my view. The first was that although I was warned it was coming (as was several others) we hoped we could stave it off because it was coming at one of the worst possible times for most of us in GASN, as we were all about to start school, which gave me very little free time to deal with a war. The second was that the whole alliance and attacks seemed too OOC, as one of my very good allies was going to attack me and the rest of GASN, which really made no sense ICly, and also that it seemed the whole set of repercussions that would have come with that were being ignored. The third point was that we weren't included on the planning to attack us, in the most basic forms, just to separate theaters and to make sure everyone knew what was coming and could handle it with their other RL stuff. The third point was the biggest, as I learned back in '03 that big wars DO require planning from both sides, and also their cooperation to make sure that it all goes smoothly. (If I remember right, the whole thing almost made 5 or 6 different players quit.

In the end, the new II is waaay different (I wouldn't call it better or worse), and there are a lot of the Oldies around

Mt has a lot of middle ground to new nations who're doing well for themselves, FT really has to work on breaking the deadlock. Theres been some decent middle ground RPers, but very few of the new bloods ever break the mold of noobishness. The old guard are dwindling, but at least the ESUS is coming back, of sorts.

We need to see more better new nations, backed by the competant middle ground who in turn are propping up the corrupt and decadant golden oldie aristocracy :P

If you have ever made an understatement, it was that comment about 'breaking the deadlock.' Remember back when we used to draw the annoying little triangle between the Republic, the GE, and the GFFA? Then the ESUS came back.... (course the TA tried to come back, but their train wreck kinda demonstrated that comebacks aren't always easy) Anyways, we need to bust up a lot of the FT alliances (hopefully the ESUS will be relatively nice and just break the GFFA up) and get some real political movement going.

I'm scheming. Something might come of it. Who knows? I need to actually write something though first.

I've been around for a fair while since about late 03, but I've had some false start nations, which is a shame because now they'd be downright scary sized. Didn't help that I got some crappy RP-er's to work with, but hey, such is life eh?

:-p I like 3. Well this is kinda late. But just wanted to say something.

Sadly, option #3 is least likely to occur, and I ordered them from most likely to least.

Most likely they'll wine from the get-go. If anything, in an attept to get it all cleared up ASAP before making the mess worse.

Otherwise, they grin, and BS their way through, which causes more problems in the end, and sometimes resualts in option 1 rearing its head, only bigger. But usually everyone lets it slide for lack of patience to re-do an action.

#3 is for those who like making assumptions, and assaume that the other guy intended to do what he said he did and that there is no point is talking him out of it. In which case, they take what they read, and try an fill in the gaps with their imagination. This can also be prompted by one of the 3rd party observers, but that is extremely rare.

I try encouraging option 3. :D

Option 3 is usually avoided for fear of being called a goddmodder and being ignored.

Thankfully, undesireable posts are fairly rare, but resualt in rather large tangents that can ruin the otherwise smooth and pristine thread.

I'm getting stuck on a tangent, dangit...
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Nice post Illior!
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So, out of pure curiosity, why is this on II?

I dont know why. This is just where I last remembered seeing a lot of the good role players before I left so I figured they would check this out before the other ooc forums.

Sadly, option #3 is least likely to occur, and I ordered them from most likely to least.

Most likely they'll wine from the get-go. If anything, in an attept to get it all cleared up ASAP before making the mess worse.

Otherwise, they grin, and BS their way through, which causes more problems in the end, and sometimes resualts in option 1 rearing its head, only bigger. But usually everyone lets it slide for lack of patience to re-do an action.

#3 is for those who like making assumptions, and assaume that the other guy intended to do what he said he did and that there is no point is talking him out of it. In which case, they take what they read, and try an fill in the gaps with their imagination. This can also be prompted by one of the 3rd party observers, but that is extremely rare.

I try encouraging option 3. :D

Option 3 is usually avoided for fear of being called a goddmodder and being ignored.

Thankfully, undesireable posts are fairly rare, but resualt in rather large tangents that can ruin the otherwise smooth and pristine thread.

I'm getting stuck on a tangent, dangit...
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Nice post Illior!
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So, out of pure curiosity, why is this on II?


Oh please. If they say that a few thousand troops from their main force go defend a hill. And I bomb it because they never RPed moving anti-missle defences. Or I assualt it with armour. Or (In the case of my Greatest Buddha RP) They attacked me with missles, a small barrage of them. Then attacked me again with larger missles. I had RPed giving my workers the virus' (word for stopping a disease before it happens, not while it's in the procces of having it) and when he attacked me with the larger and more numerous missles I RPed that he had the virus in the because he never RPed changing the war head.

It's what you RP, not what you mean

Vaccine.
And I see you'd choose option 3 an awful lot.
I look forward to RPing with you later.

ah, but I check to make sure the RPed what they wanted to RP.

Because nothing is worse than getting somone angry because they missed a minor detail or worded something wrong.

Besides, it's a game.

RP with Imperial Isa and you'll understand.
(That or you would go crazy with inconsistancies)

Remember the early days of that zombie thread? Ya, I did. Lmao, but I mean when, it's not a little detail, when it's a small post with like no detail other than he attacked or something.

There are quite a few nations left from the "glory" days, and I use that term loosely. It seems to imply that the older nations are somehow better at rp, which isn't necessarily so. There were quite a few nuckleheads back then just as there are now. To equate "good" rp with number of posts (activity) or start date is just plain wrong.

Oh definitely. Ziotah, Magic China, etc. Not to mention all the minor "cardboard military" people who would invade everyone (oh, they were so, so fun. I miss them.). Hell, I know damn well I was on the death list for a while there. Even now, I'd bet you there are a good deal of 06 nations that far outstrip me in quality.

I'm medicore at best, and I've been here since 03 with over 6,000 posts under my belt.