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The Skgorrian Armed Forces are currently looking for a new grenade, but not just any type of grenade: we want a biological or chemical agent weaponised in grenade form.

Our specifications - it needs to be light, small and deadly. Everything else is secondary, though we suppose safety would feature somewhere. We will also require the domestic production rights of said grenade.

A generous fee will be paid to whoever can supply the grenade that meets our requirements.

Encrypted Transmission from the Mafia

We have an idea...

Grenade: $200 US each

Cyanogen Chloride (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanogen_chloride)
Lewisite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewisite)
Chloropicrin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloropicrin)
Diphosgene (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphosgene)

Pick up to 4 of them mixed together for maximum effect.

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Why in the hell would you try to employ a chemical agent in CQB?
I mean honestly?
Even Terrorists want nothing to do with the agent once they've released it.

You could easily design a chemical delivery method in the form of a grenade, just modify some of the designs of chemical land mines... miniturize etc. The fuses are already there, you just need to fiddle with the triggers.

:headbang:

Helicon Standardized Statement

Though not a 'chemical or biological agent' perse... you simply cannot call yourself an evil nation without owning a good number of these.

The EastCHN

http://xplzg.diy.myrice.com/weapons/HE%20Grenade.jpg

The EastCHN hand held grenade is one of the most deadly, non explosive grenades on the planet. When the pin is pulled, there are exactly five seconds before two plugs unhook, and a flaming acidic mixture sprays out of the grenade. One second after it begins spraying, the grenade will begin to spin around rapidly due to the internal motion of the liquid inside and the grenades relatively elaborate design. Everything within 25 foot radius of the grenade will be covered in a flaming acidic mixture... anyone within fourty five feet will be hit with a horrid odor and immense heat. The liquid flame consists of napalm, phophorus, highly concentrated kerosene and a small amount of sulfur. Applying water to this flame is totally useless, and will infact spread the flame.

Production Cost: $150
Sales Price: $250

Why in the hell would you try to employ a chemical agent in CQB?
I mean honestly?
Even Terrorists want nothing to do with the agent once they've released it.

You could easily design a chemical delivery method in the form of a grenade, just modify some of the designs of chemical land mines... miniturize etc. The fuses are already there, you just need to fiddle with the triggers.

:headbang:

Modern Late-MT and PMT battlesuits are usually full suits that are BC resistant and have some measure of nuclear resistance, such as boron carbide plates. With fully suited troopers they are pretty much immune to the effects of these weapons.

Imagine walking through a battlefield as a fully suited ghost as enemy soldiers grasp their throats as they drown in their own blood and your soldiers simply plant a 9mm round into their heads.

To Luuf: you're just jealous because you didn't ask for some first. Go ahead and stick to your boring "conventional" military, Skgorria is quite happy with using nuclear artillery, biochem grenades and no navy.

To both Leafanistan and Kroando: both of your designs are very appealing, and if no others are put forward then we may end up deciding on having them both. How much for the DPR on your items?

To Luuf: you're just jealous because you didn't ask for some first. Go ahead and stick to your boring "conventional" military, Skgorria is quite happy with using nuclear artillery, biochem grenades and no navy.

To both Leafanistan and Kroando: both of your designs are very appealing, and if no others are put forward then we may end up deciding on having them both. How much for the DPR on your items?

We don't offer DPR, but we'll give you the plans if you buy 100,000 units. Being Black Market we don't care if people copy them. Hell, you can buy just 1,000 of them and try your best to copy them. But the plans are worth it, too much trial and error in reverse engineering. Trust us.

Helicon Standardized Statement

Production Rights Costs are now at 250 Billion USD's for Domestic Production only. Sales may not be made, the production rights may not be sold.

OOC: My offer is better and you can sell it if you credit us as inventing them. In fact go about reverse engineering his, or build a similar device using our plans.

[Reverse engineer mine and ill wipe you off the map. :) ]

[Reverse engineer mine and ill wipe you off the map. :) ]

Oh I will, I'll offer something similar! It is essentially a paint grenade, so a standard canister with tiny explosive bolts should do it.

Helicon Standardized Statement

Production Rights Costs are now at 250 Billion USD's for Domestic Production only. Sales may not be made, the production rights may not be sold.

Why bother paying $250 billion for rights to a fucking hand grenade? The entire development of the F-22A Raptor cost less than $30 billion, you could design your own for only a few million USD at most.

It's not like you can place any sizable chemical agent besides tear gas (which has a limited effective radius against unprotected personnel) inside something the size of a hand grenade, either. Chemical weapons are meant to be distributed en masse using artillery and air dropped munitions, not thrown by soldiers in a casing the size of a human hand.

[Well, incase you haven't noticed, there is a slight difference between the budget/economic situation of the RL USA and NS. The value of money has dramatically decreased, selling off production rights to anything for under several billion simply doesn't make any sense. Now if you're done your random bitching...]

OOC: Whee for bickering :D

IC:

Statement to The Mafia and Kroando

The grenade will only be supplying a small portion of the armed forces - our SS is only a 1/5th of our entire military, and even then the grenades will only be issued to our NCOs and officers. As such, Leafanistan's product will be accepted as the winner unless Kroando can reach a similarly affordable solution.

OOC: A bit of semantics but it is the Mafia that is offering it to you. You can call them the Red Islands or the Mafia.

OOC: Semantics is everything my good man/woman/sentient, post will be edited forwith :)

Leocardia offers a grenade that releases radiation.

Leocardia offers a grenade that releases radiation.

But not a individual price quote or a DPR quote or even an idea of how it works. Radiation kills too slowly especially for a device the size of a hand grenade. You need at least 6 grays I think.

Pyrotechnic type chemical weapons.
(Ever since NAPALM was considered toxic)

White Phosphorous

And the 1 lb Thermobaric.

One you don't want to be in the same room as when it goes off, the other you don't even want to be in the same house. (http://warfare.ru/video/wmv/shmel.mpg)..

Roughly $2 per grenade, sold in bulk lots of 1,000.

To: Hurtful Thoughts
From: Atopian Minister for Military Procurement

Dear Sir/Madam,

We would like to purchase ten million Shmel hand grenades for US$20,000 (in lots of 1,000 grenades at US$2 per grenade). Further, we would like to purchase the domestic production rights for said ordnance.

Yours sincerely,

J.R. Tranetski

The Skgorrian Armed Forces are currently looking for a new grenade, but not just any type of grenade: we want a biological or chemical agent weaponised in grenade form.

Our specifications - it needs to be light, small and deadly. Everything else is secondary, though we suppose safety would feature somewhere. We will also require the domestic production rights of said grenade.

A generous fee will be paid to whoever can supply the grenade that meets our requirements.

Transmission from South Lizasaurian Arms industry
To Skgorria:

This is the President of the Arms industry in South Lizasauria, just name your chemical and our designers will cook up a grenade in no time.

Eh, I barrowed the footage of the RPO Schmel flamethrower (footage of the 1,000 pound MOAB just didn't seem to fit), wich has a 2.1 kg warhead, so the THG would be slightly less impresive against a 2 story building, it would still gut the insides and cause a few structural failures.

It's even better when lobbed into the confines of an enemy tank or into a spider-hole...
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Order approved, DPR set for $1/4 million
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And mixing some of those chemical weapons might not be a good idea...

Quick montage of randomly destroyed tanks...
1 (http://www.tracks-n-troops.com/archive/destroyed%20T34.jpg)
2 (http://images.abolkhaseb.net/mortar-attack/abrams-tank%20.jpg)
3 (http://www.nps.gov/archive/amme/wwii_museum/battle_for_saipan/destroyed_japanese_tank_lg.jpg)
4 (http://pictopia.com/perl/get_image?provider_id=352&ptp_photo_id=ptl:afp:xt-mt-320-213846&size=320x320_mb)

Eh, I barrowed the footage of the RPO Schmel flamethrower (footage of the 1,000 pound MOAB just didn't seem to fit), wich has a 2.1 kg warhead, so the THG would be slightly less impresive against a 2 story building, it would still gut the insides and cause a few structural failures.

It's even better when lobbed into the confines of an enemy tank or into a manhole...
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Order approved, DPR set for $1/4 million
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And mixing some of those chemical weapons might not be a good idea...

Shush now.

The Jinivex Science and Military Applications Department (SMAd) has recently devised a system of hand-thrown explosive that would work similarly to a bioweapon release grenade, but to a greater and more deadly extent. The device, upon detonation, releases a cloud of highly corrosive (acidic) chemicals into the air, burning the throats of those who breath it, seering and dissolving skin where it is exposed, and even melting through light metals such as aluminum.

The weapons themselves have an unreliably sized kill radius depending on such factors as wind speed and air pressure, but the grenades can fill a small sized house in a matter of minutes after the detonation. Kill time in an area of low concentration is around two minutes, but the death itself is so painful any victims will be incapacitated while under the weapon's effect.

In addition to the handheld model, we have 60mm and 80mm models for use in mortars, as well as 60mm and 71mm rocket models (compatible with Katyusha-type launchers.)

So far the weapons are in the prototype stage, but you can still purchase them, at a price of $1050 per unit. The prototype blueprints themselves are on sale, $80,000,000 for use and production by your nation, and $210,000,000 for export rights.

Shush now.

Like how Cyanogen Chloride reacts with other chemical quite readily, rendering it inert unless stored sepratelly from anything else?
(Like that it burns in contact with water, brass, CO2 or, nitrates?)
[Okay, so I misread the MSDS, I'll have to look again...]

================= Stability and Reactivity Data =================
Stability Indicator/Materials to Avoid:Contact with water or moist air
may form flammable and/or toxic gases or vapors.
Stability Condition to Avoid:Minimize contact with material. Avoid
inhalation of material or combustion by-products. Containers may
rupture or explode if exposed to heat.
Hazardous Decomposition Products:Thermal decomposition products:
cyanides, hydrochloric acid, oxides of carbon, nitrogen Thermal
decomposition products: cyanides, hydrochloric acid, oxides of
carbon, nitrogen
Conditions to Avoid Polymerization:Polymerizes with evolution of heat.
Avoid contact with incompatible materials.

In a nutshell, using CK /w/ most any other gas you listed would resualt in rapid and violent polymerization (turns into a solid inert flaming paste).

Just the reason why nobody stocks blood agents anymore...
It's just too hard to make it lethal to the scale of nerve gasses...
It's also just too easy to neutralize...

Also, Chloropicrin violently reacts with phosogen gas..
And nitrates, such as HN, or Mustard gas [of Nitrogen].

KTP-56 Strong Base Grenade
With a strong base, able to dissolving clothes and human flesh instantly, is considerably one of the most dangerous, nonexplosive grenade ever created by Leocardian Lethal Weapons. With its pint-sized for each grenade, the KTP-56 releases its solutions in a random splash style.

$450 each.

Order approved, DPR set for $1/4 million

Dear Sir/Madam,

Many thanks. We enclose US$250,000,000 to cover DPR.

Yours sincerely,

J.R. Tranetski

The Jinivex Science and Military Applications Department (SMAd) has recently devised a system of hand-thrown explosive that would work similarly to a bioweapon release grenade, but to a greater and more deadly extent. The device, upon detonation, releases a cloud of highly corrosive (acidic) chemicals into the air, burning the throats of those who breath it, seering and dissolving skin where it is exposed, and even melting through light metals such as aluminum.

The weapons themselves have an unreliably sized kill radius depending on such factors as wind speed and air pressure, but the grenades can fill a small sized house in a matter of minutes after the detonation. Kill time in an area of low concentration is around two minutes, but the death itself is so painful any victims will be incapacitated while under the weapon's effect.

In addition to the handheld model, we have 60mm and 80mm models for use in mortars, as well as 60mm and 71mm rocket models (compatible with Katyusha-type launchers.)

So far the weapons are in the prototype stage, but you can still purchase them, at a price of $1050 per unit. The prototype blueprints themselves are on sale, $80,000,000 for use and production by your nation, and $210,000,000 for export rights.


The Divine Empire of Kreynoria will buy production and export rights to your grenade.

KTP-56 Strong Base Grenade
With a strong base, able to dissolving clothes and human flesh instantly, is considerably one of the most dangerous, nonexplosive grenade ever created by Leocardian Lethal Weapons. With its pint-sized for each grenade, the KTP-56 releases its solutions in a random splash style.

$450 each.

Why doesn't it dissolve the container?

Why doesn't it dissolve the container?

Ceramic or metal reinforced polymer containers o-course.