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Next Generation Anti-Dreadnought Weaponry

Kroando
26-12-2006, 19:11
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Valour A9/00 Fired From Land Based Platform

Abstract

In 'modern' naval warfare, massive dreadnoughts, battleships, capital class cruisers and all other forms of beastly monstrosities are permitted to exist for only one reason. And that is their ability to defend again missile strikes. If this power was not so real, they would vanish, as missile spams would once again reign supreme, as they do in modern naval warfare. Kroando had never liked massive ships... they simply diverted too much money to one ship, and in the modern world, one which is so vast no one ship could hope to circle it, that was a pointless feat. A missile was needed that could once again make the destroyer the ship of the seas... the ship that would run naval combat. A missile that could bypass Anti-Missile Systems.

Design - 'Stealth'

The Valour was never supposed to 'bypass' perse enemy defences... it was more like it was to... overwhelm them. A single Valour Class Anti-Shipping Missile looked much like any other such missile, and truth be told, it could be shot down just as any other missile. Four meters in length, four hundred kilo's in weight... it was certainly trackable. Of course it was programmed to travel along the surface of the water, or a foot above it to avoid RADAR detection, but still, the most advanced RADAR looking in the right spot would pick it up. Even more impressive was the nickel-steel coating surrounding the missile itself. The nickel, the innermost layer, was adept at absorbing heat, the steel on the outside therefor appeared relatively cool, making the missile itself a poor target for IR systems. Any IR missile fired at it would be locking onto the massive spew of flame coming out of the missiles back, not the missile, therefor, when the missile came in, it would usually overshoot the body, either missing the Valour altogether, or detonating at such a distance to prove ineffective. To ward against LADAR, a light deflectant material was coated over the top. This reflective material would scatter the lazer beams in all directions, making a large 'box' register on the LADAR targeting screen. When LADAR Guided missiles fired at this 'box', they had only a slight chance of suceeding in hitting their target.

Design - Part II

Regardless of the missiles difficulty to be picked up and destroyed, there was the infamous CIWS gun... the bane of missile strikes. This in addition to the fact that the missile could still be shot down, prompted engineers to create a 'new breed' of missiles. The valour did something no other missile did (to my knowledge) when it closed in on three miles of the target. It broke apart. Well, not in the literal sense, but what occured was simple. Seven smaller, much smaller rocket like missiles broke off. These seven rockets had a range of, at maximum, three and a half miles, however the threat was clear. They would speed at the same target, fueled by both internal fuel and attached fuel cells, and hit, detonating their seven pound high-explosive charges. Where there was once one missile, there were now eight. The main Valour Carrier kept on speeding towards it's target, locked on and ready to hit the ship.

But the main Valour was not yet finished. It was not merely to speed awat and destroy itself... one of every twenty Valours carried a Barrage Style RADAR Jammer, which emmitted scores of RADAR frequencies, capable of jamming enemy RADAR used to track the missiles. Fortunatly the Valour itself tracked using targetted internal schematics, and would not be thrown off with it's own countermeasure. When the valour did crash, the effects of course would linger until all of the frequencies cleared the area... which would give enough time for the smaller 'break-off' missiles to engage their targets. With enemy RADAR cluttered, it's ability to track the super sonic three foot long missiles was severely diminished. Enemy CIWS guns, using RADAR, would simply not be able to track and destroy these small projectiles... and when they hit, it was deadly. While the seven pound explosive, octanitrocarbane, the most explosive, non-nuclear compound known to man may have been relatively small, it most definitely packed a punch. While one rocket may by only enough to tarnish armor, it could definitely wreak havoc on the upper deck, which was much less armored. And of course one must remember, there was never just one rocket... there were eight. From each valour. Ten of the missiles yielded eighty... the possibilities were endless.

Referring back to the abstract, the purpose of the missile is to destroy enemy dreadnoughts. Some may scream that it is too expensive... well, at 2.4 million dollars, you can afford to fire 1,000 Valour Class Anti-Shipping Missiles at a 2.4 Billion Dollar Dread... that would yield 8,000 high-explosive projectiles speeding right at the enemy. And as we all know... most dreadnoughts are far more expensive than 2.4 Billion.

Statistics on Valour Main Carrier Missile

Engine. Solid fuel rocket booster, Helicon Standard TM8-90 turbojet
Launch mass. 410 kg
Length. 3.75 m
Speed. High Subsonic
Range. 175 km
Flying altitude. Sea Skimming
Warhead. 110 kg High Explosive OctaNitroCarbane
Guidance. Inertial, GPS, Terrain-Reference Navigation, LADAR Guidance
Launch Platform. Naval ships, fixed-wing aircraft, helicopters, land-based vehicles

Statistics on Valour Break-Off Missile

Body diameter: (5.2 in)
Wingspan: (11 in)
Length: (28 in)
Weight: (39 lb)
Explosive weight: (7 lb)
Fragmentation radius: (33 ft)
Maximum speed: (1,100 ft/s)
Range: (3.4 mi)
Targeting: Fixed Internal Lock On Using LADAR Coordinates
Firing Platform: Valour Carrier Missile

Price. 2.4 Million [Not including RADAR Barrage Jammer for first of every twenty missiles]
Kanami
26-12-2006, 19:14
Kanami will take 200 missiles
Kroando
26-12-2006, 19:21
Helicon Standardized Message

We thank you for your intrest in the A9/00 Valour Class Anti-Shipping Missile, and shall begin production immidiately. Once the total sum of 480 Million has been transfered, shipment of the weapons shall begin.

~Devin Parks,
Department of Sales
Siap
26-12-2006, 19:33
Official Message

Skyetech Industries wished to acquire production rights to the Valour. The missile will be only produced and sold within The Community.

~Ryan Dobenicz
Asgarnieu
26-12-2006, 21:55
Office 38
1217 Government Way
Balkan City, 85546
Balkan City S.A.R., United Democratic Empire of Asgarnieu

To: Kroando
From: Asgarnieu
Subject: Purchase of Valour Missile

Greetings. The Asgarnian Naval Force is in serious need of a missile that can eliminate a Dreadnought or Super Dreadnought. It is one of the most expressed concerns today. We would like to purchase the following:

2,000 Valour Anti-Dreadnought Missiles
(at $2.4 Million each)
TOTAL: $4.8 Billion USD

It is the request of the Asgarnian Naval Force, that all the Valour's we order come with the jamming capabilities. We are more than willing to add in $10,000,000,000 USD to the total order to have this capability installed in each missile.

We thank you for your time in processing and reading our order. We wish you the best of luck in the sales of your missile. Thank you again.

Respectfully

General 4-S Nathan G. Bordeux
Commander-In-Chief, Asgarnian Naval Forces

OFFICIAL ASGARNIAN ORDER
British Londinium
26-12-2006, 21:57
The Britannic Commonwealth also seeks to gain domestic production rights for the Valour Missile System.

-The Rt. Hon. Chloe Sinclair
Minister for Defence
Supreme Commander, Londinian Expeditionary Force
Kroando
26-12-2006, 22:22
Helicon Standardized Message
~Addressed to Balkan City S.A.R., United Democratic Empire of Asgarnieu

Your offer to purchase 2,000 Valour A9/00 Anti-Shipping Missiles, all equipped with Barrage RADAR Jamming Capabilities has been approved, and should be completed within four months, provided the pre-stated sum of 14.8 Billlion dollars is wired by the time shipment had begun.

We thank you for your business,
~Devin Parks,
Department of Sales

Helicon Standardized Message
~Addressed to Ryan Dobenicz, Siap

Unfortunatly production rights to the missile are not yet available... however we are capable of fulfilling any needs you might have.

We thank you for your business,
~Devin Parks,
Department of Sales

Helicon Standardized Message
~The Rt. Hon. Chloe Sinclair
Minister for Defence
Supreme Commander, Londinian Expeditionary Force

Unfortunatly production rights to the missile are not yet available, even to our closest allies... however we are capable of fulfilling any needs you might have.

We thank you for your business,
~Devin Parks,
Department of Sales
Laquasa Isle
26-12-2006, 22:24
I'd buy one, but I suppose I wouldn't be allowed to ICly.
Kroando
26-12-2006, 22:27
[Fraid not.]
British Londinium
26-12-2006, 22:29
Communiqué to Kroando

The Britannic Commonwealth would like to purchase five hundred missile systems, for 1.2 billion USD.
Questers
26-12-2006, 22:39
110kg? Good luck. You're going to need hella more explosives than that. Secondly, 7 lb? What the fuck is that going to do? A 7 lb rocket would bounce off the armour of a modern destroyer. I would rather launch a salvo of real missiles like Sunburn than this.
Kroando
26-12-2006, 22:40
Helicon Standardized Message
~The Rt. Hon. Chloe Sinclair
Minister for Defence
Supreme Commander, Londinian Expeditionary Force

Order confirmed.

We thank you for your business,
~Devin Parks,
Department of Sales

[110 kilos is standard for most RL anti-shipping missiles.]
Questers
26-12-2006, 22:45
Question: Why has a wiki and google search for "octanitrocarbane" yielded no results whatsoever?

By the way, most RL anti shipping missiles can't penetrate RL battleship armour, let alone NS battleship armour which is usualyl at least twice as thick if not three times.
Kroando
26-12-2006, 23:01
[1.Because I most definitely mispelled the compound's name. OctaNitroCubane is the non-mispelled name.

2. One missile is not expected to sink the ship. It is a missile spam... which is the exact same thing RL nations would do if they ever came across a 'dreadnought'. I dont care how thick armor is, eventually if you keep slamming missiles loaded with high explosive against metal at supersonic speeds... it's gonna break. If one missile, going over a thousand miles an hour, carrying with it 100 kilos of this explosive slams into the side of anything... its going to leave a mark. Do it five times... and theres a big mark.]
Crookfur
26-12-2006, 23:03
OOC:
Nice try a shame it has already been numerous times and better.

You do have a few stats flaws msot notably in that you missile is about half of what it should weight, msot missiles with comparative ranges and payloads tend to inhabit the 700-900kg region.
Your IR spoofing system might work against 1960-70s IR guided missiles but against a 1980s all aspect seeker, let alone a modern imaging seeker it would do little.

Your submuntion rockets seem a little off, particularly in terms of speed as they are just about subsonic. For the weights mentioned i would bump the warhead weight up to about 15-20lbs filled with a number of submuntions which woudl vastly increase your lethal radius and since you are going to have issues penetrating any actual armour you should be focusing on increasing the likelyhood of putting holes in delicate things like radar dishes. You could go for Combiend effect submuntions with a 4" penetration capability ina dditon to the fragmentation effect.
Kroando
26-12-2006, 23:16
[Great way to start off. "This sucks. Other people did better." I mean really, bravo.

I will make adjustments based off of your weight and munitions recommendations. The weight I based this off of was a RL missile. If im bumping up the total missile 500kg's, im going to bump up the warhead mass significantly.]
Crookfur
26-12-2006, 23:42
[Great way to start off. "This sucks. Other people did better." I mean really, bravo.

I will make adjustments based off of your weight and munitions recommendations. The weight I based this off of was a RL missile. If im bumping up the total missile 500kg's, im going to bump up the warhead mass significantly.]

maybe not my finest hour...

What missile are you basing it off?
the best warhead to weight ratio for a long range missile i can find is the late model harpoons at 690kg for a 221kg warhead, otomat 2 is broadly similar and the latest exocets are heavier but have a longer range.
The thing here is that you essentially have a 2 part warhead, the basic unitary warhead at 110kg plus aaproximatly 120-130kg of submunitions for a combined weight of 2230-240kg which with 175km range instantly puts you into the 700kg region, of course a bit of technological hand waving can bring the weight down but not so that more than 50% of the missile's mass is its it's payload, plus your stealth measures won't be helping you in that area.
Kroando
26-12-2006, 23:55
[I based the missile off of the Norwegian NSM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Strike_Missile), granted it does not deploy any sub-munitions, and I should have taken that into consideration when writing up the stats. Regarding the stealth, in the IR region I cannot think of much, as the simple air friction at such high speeds will register on modern IR Scanners... what do you recommend the weight/munition weight of the missile be?]
Crookfur
27-12-2006, 00:07
[I based the missile off of the Norwegian NSM (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Strike_Missile), granted it does not deploy any sub-munitions, and I should have taken that into consideration when writing up the stats. Regarding the stealth, in the IR region I cannot think of much, as the simple air friction at such high speeds will register on modern IR Scanners... what do you recommend the weight/munition weight of the missile be?]

IR is a pretty tricky one, there are some oddities that might help such as using a series of IR emitters arranged over the surface of the missile that flash and create various patterns to break up the missile outline but i am pretty sure that sort of system would incur a noticable weight penalty and I am unsure as to how successful it would be.

As for the weight ratio i would probaly go for a ratio not dissimilar to the NSM which would give you a total missile mas of about 780-790kg for a 240-250kg payload or to use the harpoon as a basis it would give you 720-730kg.
personally i would aim for a max missle weight of 700kg which would give you a payload of 230kg to use how you wish, iw ould point out that the weight of the main warhead and the submuntions should coem in just under that limit to allow for seperation and support structures.