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Island Location: 30 degrees North, 75 degrees west

Island Population: 1,500,000

Island Size: 300,000 Square Miles

Island Resources: Some Oil, Meat, Various Metals, Plutonium, Fish

Other Facts: Primarily Catholic, Hispanic. The Imperial Republic does not wish to hold ties there any longer; it is growing old. Mostly Tropical Island, temperate in the north with rain forest to the west. Lots of History. Came under Laquasan control after Great Brittain - Laquasa Isle war of 1816.

Starting Bid: 50 billion dollars

Picture:

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The Britannic Commonwealth of British Londinium will offer one hundred billion dollars for the island, as well as the reinstatement of peacetime conditions with Laquasa.

Island Location: 30 degrees North, 75 degrees west

Island Population: 1,500,000

Island Size: 300,000 Square Miles

Island Resources: Some Oil, Meat, Various Metals, Plutonium, Fish

Other Facts: Primarily Catholic, Hispanic. The Imperial Republic does not wish to hold ties there any longer; it is growing old. Mostly Tropical Island, temperate in the north with rain forest to the west. Lots of History. Came under Laquasan control after Great Brittain - Laquasa Isle war of 1816.

Starting Bid: 50 billion dollars

Picture:

http://lprofile.net/marksfamily/C0658.jpg

OOC: Sounds a lot like what Galation started doing before he was invaded. How big is the island anyways?

The Free Objectivist Republic of Linus and Lucy bids $50 billion for the territory.

OOC: Where's that 50 billion coming from?

No Taxes Defense Inc. bids 120 Billion USD for the island.

OOC: Sounds a lot like what Galation started doing before he was invaded. How big is the island anyways?

That was quite fun to stand by and watch, ah the good old Galation days. He doesn't come on anymore. If someone considerably largerdoes invade, I think that I'll just let them have it. The Island, of course.

That was quite fun to stand by and watch, ah the good old Galation days. He doesn't come on anymore. If someone considerably largerdoes invade, I think that I'll just let them have it. The Island, of course.

OOC: By no means were the days of Galation "good". He was a massive mod, and you even said so.

IC:

The Imperial Democratic Republic of Nova Brittanica wishes to buy the island for two dollars, a penguin, a pocket full of lint, and a list of insults the Imperial President has called Laquasans.

OOC: If no one outbids me, how long do I have to wait to take control of the island?

OOC: I've outbidded you.

OOC: Where's that 50 billion coming from?

The same place we get all our money--from heavy punitive fines levied on (real) criminals.

The Federation will offer one hundred and fifty billion USD for the island

OOC: I've outbidded you.

No, you didn't--you bid 75 million, he bid 60 billion.

OOC: I've outbidded you.
OOC: Not anymore.

No Taxes Defense Inc. offers a new bid of 200 Billion USD.

The same place we get all our money--from heavy punitive fines levied on (real) criminals.

OOC: Things don't work like that on II. The government gets it's money, for the most part, from taxes. 50 Billion is roughly 1/4 of your total budget.

The Hills bid 300 Billion

No Taxes Defense Inc. bids 301 Billion USD.

OOC: Things don't work like that on II. The government gets it's money, for the most part, from taxes. 50 Billion is roughly 1/4 of your total budget.

As I run the country, I get to determine its source of income. As Linus and Lucy is an Objectivist Republic, we have no taxes--instead, our income comes solely from fines levied on criminals. I figure that maybe 1% of the population is criminals, and they average maybe 1/10th the wealth or income per person of everyone else, so I calculate my government's annual income as around 1/1000th of GDP--and remember, what I don't spend one year carries over to the next year; plus, I can always float a bond issue.

The Federation offers a new bid of 250 billion.

The Federation offers a new bid of 250 billion.
OOC: That is less than the current highest bid.

The Hills rebid at 500 Billion

No Taxes Defense Inc. rebids at 501 Billion USD.

No Taxes Defense Inc. rebids at 501 Billion USD.

The Hills Rebid at 501,000,000,001 USD

As I run the country, I get to determine its source of income. As Linus and Lucy is an Objectivist Republic, we have no taxes--instead, our income comes solely from fines levied on criminals. I figure that maybe 1% of the population is criminals, and they average maybe 1/10th the wealth or income per person of everyone else, so I calculate my government's annual income as around 1/1000th of GDP--and remember, what I don't spend one year carries over to the next year; plus, I can always float a bond issue.

OOC: Actually, you think that most of your crimnals are going to be rich? In the US, approximatly .5% of the population is in jail, but meh. You also realize that the government budget isn't solely defense? There's roads, social welfare, healthcare, law and order, administration, etc. Anyways, considering the bid is rather high right now, neither of us are going to be getting that island.

NTD Inc. rebids at 501.1 Billion USD.

OOC: How high are you willing to go for one island?

NTD Inc. rebids at 501.1 Billion USD.

OOC: How high are you willing to go for one island?

High enough to beat you...

The Hills rebid at 501.2 Billion USD

OOC: Actually, you think that most of your crimnals are going to be rich?
No--that's why I presume they have 1/10th the average income.

You also realize that the government budget isn't solely defense?
In Linus and Lucy, it is.
There's roads,
In Linus and Lucy, the state has nothing to do with road building.
social welfare, healthcare,
In Linus and Lucy, the state provides neither "assistance" nor health care.
law and order, administration,
Aside from the fact that you use the generic terms, which tells me you are rather unimaginative and a poor roleplayer, I account that when I make up my budget every NS year.

At the beginning of every NS year (I define one NS year to be one RL month), I calculate my government income (as 1/1000th of the GDP). I then subtract my expenses for police, courts, and jails (which I grow proportionately with population), and army pay (which grows with the size of the army), equipment maintenance, and whatnot. After that, I budget for whatever capital purchases I wish to make, and whatever's left over carries over to next year. I have several spreadsheets I use to keep track of this.

NB, the days of Galation were fun because he was turned to nuclear heaps of dust about once a week.

Let's go higher!

No--that's why I presume they have 1/10th the average income.


In Linus and Lucy, it is.

In Linus and Lucy, the state has nothing to do with road building.

In Linus and Lucy, the state provides neither "assistance" nor health care.

Aside from the fact that you use the generic terms, which tells me you are rather unimaginative and a poor roleplayer, I account that when I make up my budget every NS year.

At the beginning of every NS year (I define one NS year to be one RL month), I calculate my government income (as 1/1000th of the GDP). I then subtract my expenses for police, courts, and jails (which I grow proportionately with population), and army pay (which grows with the size of the army), equipment maintenance, and whatnot. After that, I budget for whatever capital purchases I wish to make, and whatever's left over carries over to next year. I have several spreadsheets I use to keep track of this.

1 NS year= 1 RL day. Let's not ruin the auction, please move debates to telegrams.

NTD Inc. rebids for 600 Billion USD.

NTD Inc. rebids for 600 Billion USD.

The Hills rebid for 601 Billion

The Federation rebids 601.1 billion

High enough to beat you...

The Hills rebid at 501.2 Billion USD

We may sell the island to the highest bidder for 50 billion less than the highest bid if they sign a mutual defense pact with Laquasa.

1 NS year= 1 RL day. Let's not ruin the auction, please move debates to telegrams.

That's not the speed I use. Since early 2003, when I first started playing NS (not with this nation, of course), I have *always* used 1 NS year = 1 RL month. Anything faster is impossible to keep up with.

The Hills rebid at 750 Billion

Taxes, check your TGs

NTD Inc. rebids for 751 Billion USD.

Sent a Reply.

NTD Inc. rebids for 751 Billion USD.

The Hills rebid at 752 Billion USD

NTD check your TGs

That's not the speed I use. Since early 2003, when I first started playing NS (not with this nation, of course), I have *always* used 1 NS year = 1 RL day. Anything faster is impossible to keep up with.

OOC: Thanks for agreeing. Ask anyone in II, and they'll say that 1 NS Year=1 RL Day

The Hills rebid at 752 Billion USD

NTD check your TGs
I sent a reply.

NTD rebids for 753 Billion USD.

The Free Land of Dartia will bid $225 billion.

OOC: Thanks for agreeing. Ask anyone in II, and they'll say that 1 NS Year=1 RL Day

"Anyone"? I doubt it.

In every single RP I have done, the 1 year = 1 month schedule has been standard. To use anything faster is patently insane, as it's just impossible to keep up with it at a realistic cadence of events.

The Hills rebid at 754 Billion

And I replied to your reply

The Federation rebids 755 billion

Island Resources: Some Oil, Meat, Various Metals, Plutonium, Fish

OOC: How can a place have a synthesized element as a resource?

Second, is this island made out of gold that you guys are paying 3/4 tril for? I would only pay 26 dollars, if anything.

NTD Inc. and Drexel Hillsville have agreed to split the island and we each bid 500 Billion USD for a total of 1 trillion USD.

"Anyone"? I doubt it.

In every single RP I have done, the 1 year = 1 month schedule has been standard. To use anything faster is patently insane, as it's just impossible to keep up with it at a realistic cadence of events.

Hence the idea of fluid time. The rate at which it passes change like the flow of liquid.

Dartia will bid $1.1 trillion.

NTD Inc. and Drexel Hillsville have agreed to split the island and we each bid 500 Billion USD for a total of 1 trillion USD.

Just confiming this...

Dartia will bid $1.1 trillion.
There is no way Dartia can afford to pay 1.1 trillion USD. Though if Drexel agrees, NTD is willing to go higher.

Dartia will bid $1.1 trillion.

Are you trying to ruin your economy?

What's this TG business about? *Gets Suspicous*

Hills, if you sign a pact with me I'll give you a 10% discount.

What's this TG business about? *Gets Suspicous*

Hills, if you sign a pact with me I'll give you a 10% discount.
Don't worry we are not going to invade you, we just agreed to split the island.

Don't worry we are not going to invade you, we just agreed to split the island.

Yea. We each agreed to pay 500 Billion each so that we can have the island...

*Note to self:

When in need of cash, sell an island.

Yea. We each agreed to pay 500 Billion each so that we can have the island...

If you both sign a pact with me I'll sell it at 450 billion a piece, that's about 10% off.


Awaiting confirmation...

If you both sign a pact with me I'll sell it at 450 billion a piece, that's about 10% off.


Awaiting confirmation...
NTD agrees, but do you mean a Mutual Defense Pact?

OOC:Well, it looks like im not getting the island.

IC:The Federation retires all the previous bids

I can afford $1.1 trillion. I've never been in a war, and have 0 debt. My commerce budget alone is over 1 trillion. I could pay off a $1.1 trillion debt easily. An island the size of the Phillipines is easily worth the money.

NTD agrees, but do you mean a Mutual Defense Pact?

Yeah. You scratch my back, I scratch your's. We just are allies. No fancy constitution, we just help each other.

OOC: How can a place have a synthesized element as a resource?

Second, is this island made out of gold that you guys are paying 3/4 tril for? I would only pay 26 dollars, if anything.
Well this island is roughly the size of Texas.

I can afford $1.1 trillion. I've never been in a war, and have 0 debt. My commerce budget alone is over 1 trillion. I could pay off a $1.1 trillion debt easily. An island the size of the Phillipines is easily worth the money.
Yeah but your government budget is already being spent on other stuff, I mean if I used my commerce budget I could bid over 7 trillion.

Do you two agree?

Do you two agree?
I agree, though I don't know about Drexel yet, although I am sure he will with the discount.

The island is the exact same size of the Phillippines or slightly smaller than nations like Germany, Japan, Italy, Vietnam, Malaysia, and Finland. The island is already developed too.

Unfortunetly a Mutual Protection Pact with you is a conflict of intrest for the Hills. We must decline. If this means that NTD does not get his discount than we will gladly pay what the discount would be for him.

The Whyatican Empire shall place a bid for 1.25 trillion Whyatican standard credits, which is approximately 2.18 trillion USD.

OOC:...Don't worry, I can easily afford this.

And just when I thought this was over.


I best sell this thing before Blackhelm comes on.

NTD Inc. is willing to bid 1.2 Trillion USD, if Drexel will pay the same for a total of 2.4 Trillion USD.

I'll give the 10% discount to anyone who signs the pact. So NT could, and pay 50 billion less than Mr.Hills.


Going once...

OOC:Laquasa, TG.

Whyatica, I'll knock off that last payment if YOU sign a pact.


I don't wont to stop bidding QUITE yet.

Define said pact for me? I won't enter into a full military alliance, understand, but I can assist in your defence if someone invades you and you don't start it.

Whyatica, I'll knock off that last payment if YOU sign a pact.


I don't wont to stop bidding QUITE yet.
You have another telegram, and if you can inform of us of the highest bid so far, then I am sure NTD and Drexel can pay more. On top of the pact we can offer a free trade agreement to give Laquasa access to our economy.

To: Potential Buyers
Re: Buyer Beware

Many nations representing tens of billions of people are currently at war with the terrorist nation of Laquasa Isle. Any day now massive armies will be arriving on the shores of the island that you are about to buy.

With respect,
Chie Lo
Servant of the Emperor

Greetings Comrades!
To All Nations Involved...

We have recently heard that you are interested in purchasing Colombo Island! Congradulations. However, we regret to inform you that this purchase must be canceled at your earliest convinience. Unfortunately Colombo Island is smack dab in the goddamn middle of a newly constructed shipping lane, developed by the Mid-Transit Shipping Company in the spring of 2005. The island unfortunately is scheduled for demolition, which shall be carried out in the next three months. We apologize for the inconvinience, but I am assured by my engineers that the shipping lane simply cannot be changed due to technical problems. We urge all peoples on the island to evacuate as soon as possible, as failure to do so will result in a unpleasant demise. Thank You For Your Cooperation! Have a nice day!

Planned Shipping Route Conflict (http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6769/picture38hs8.png)

~Jacob Devinson,
CEO of Mid-Transit Shipping,
Minister of War of Kroando

[My way of saying... dont fund my enemies.]

To: Potential Buyers
Re: Buyer Beware

Many nations representing tens of billions of people are currently at war with the terrorist nation of Laquasa Isle. Any day now massive armies will be arriving on the shores of the island that you are about to buy.

With respect,
Chie Lo
Servant of the Emperor

Official Message of the Imperial Democracy of Whyatica
If the Empire purchases the island, and you continue with your rash act of invasion despite the transfer of sovereignty, your nation will regret it. Do you not understand the concept of sovereignty?

To: Potential Buyers
Re: Buyer Beware

Many nations representing tens of billions of people are currently at war with the terrorist nation of Laquasa Isle. Any day now massive armies will be arriving on the shores of the island that you are about to buy.

With respect,
Chie Lo
Servant of the Emperor

TO: Chie Lo, Servant of the Emperor

If the island is not part of Laquasa anymore than they won't attack it, also who are these said nations?

Friedmann Wolfe
Vice-President, No Taxes Defense Inc.

You have another telegram, and if you can inform of us of the highest bid so far, then I am sure NTD and Drexel can pay more. On top of the pact we can offer a free trade agreement to give Laquasa access to our economy.

4.5 Trillion over nine NS years.

OOC: Laquasa Isle made some terrorist attacks against an EVIL Alliance Bloc/CA member. They are about to be invaded in a big way.

As far as I can tell, Laquasa Isle pulled this island out of their arse just so they could sell it to raise money for their army.

4.5 Trillion over nine NS years.

That's 4.5 trillion of my currency, which converts to 7.875 trillion USD, by the way.

OOC: Laquasa Isle made some terrorist attacks against an EVIL Alliance Bloc/CA member. They are about to be invaded in a big way.

As far as I can tell, Laquasa Isle pulled this island out of their arse just so they could sell it to raise money for their army.
We were not aware of this so as a fellow CA member we must cancel all our bids and wish Kroando good luck in the construction of their shipping lane.

OOC: Laquasa Isle made some terrorist attacks against an EVIL Alliance Bloc/CA member. They are about to be invaded in a big way.

As far as I can tell, Laquasa Isle pulled this island out of their arse just so they could sell it to raise money for their army.

Ahem, that was a CLOSED war.

Greetings Comrades!
To All Nations Involved...

We have recently heard that you are interested in purchasing Colombo Island! Congradulations. However, we regret to inform you that this purchase must be canceled at your earliest convinience. Unfortunately Colombo Island is smack dab in the goddamn middle of a newly constructed shipping lane, developed by the Mid-Transit Shipping Company in the spring of 2005. The island unfortunately is scheduled for demolition, which shall be carried out in the next three months. We apologize for the inconvinience, but I am assured by my engineers that the shipping lane simply cannot be changed due to technical problems. We urge all peoples on the island to evacuate as soon as possible, as failure to do so will result in a unpleasant demise. Thank You For Your Cooperation! Have a nice day!

Planned Shipping Route Conflict (http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6769/picture38hs8.png)

~Jacob Devinson,
CEO of Mid-Transit Shipping,
Minister of War of Kroando

[My way of saying... dont fund my enemies.]

(You all seemed to miss that.)

That's 4.5 trillion of my currency, which converts to 7.875 trillion USD, by the way.

Sold. Do you wish for the isle to be evacuated?

By the way, I didn't attack BL. I attacked an evil corporation of his. His old government is now back in control.

OOC:Kroando, seeing as I helped you out against Hataria, I'd damn well expect you not to say you want to bulldoze the island, which you can't do without raising the ire of my nation.

Official Message of the Imperial Democracy
The first payment will be transmitted to your national account shortly. We would wish that all Laquasan government officials and military personnel be transferred off the island. Any Laquasan citizen not wishing to live under Imperial rule can, of course, leave at their leisure, and remaining natives can be naturalized to Whyatican citizenship over several years.

OOC:Kroando, seeing as I helped you out against Hataria, I'd damn well expect you not to say you want to bulldoze the island, which you can't do without raising the ire of my nation.

Official Message of the Imperial Democracy
The first payment will be transmitted to your national account shortly. We would wish that all Laquasan government officials and military personnel be transferred off the island. Any Laquasan citizen not wishing to live under Imperial rule can, of course, leave at their leisure, and remaining natives can be naturalized to Whyatican citizenship over several years.

150,000 people were to leave for the mainland. All soldiers, and Government Officials, also left, raising the grand total of evacuees to 300,000.

OOC:Kroando, seeing as I helped you out against Hataria, I'd damn well expect you not to say you want to bulldoze the island, which you can't do without raising the ire of my nation.

Official Message of the Imperial Democracy
The first payment will be transmitted to your national account shortly. We would wish that all Laquasan government officials and military personnel be transferred off the island. Any Laquasan citizen not wishing to live under Imperial rule can, of course, leave at their leisure, and remaining natives can be naturalized to Whyatican citizenship over several years.

I'll knock of 1 1/2 payments if you sign a pact with our nation.

Emperor Alejandro Vamirez

[Hataria? His invasion is a joke. You are funding my enemy with trillions of dollars, I cannot have that happen. That island will be destroyed. Now whether or not you want to drag your entire nation into the situation is up to you, but I am bulldozing that island. I suggest freezing the money you are paying him and retracting your bid.]

Mid-Transit 'Demolition Contractors' Move

The Third Coalitionist Fleet, previously stationed at Vladivostok, has departed with the sole purpose of destroying Colombo Island. The fleet includes a sum of fourteen Cadiz Class SSBN's, twelve Tenerife SSH's, twenty two Coalitionist Class Battle Ships, fourteen Negotiator Class Destroyers and of course, two overhauled Nimitz Class Aircraft Carriers.

[Hataria? His invasion is a joke. You are funding my enemy with trillions of dollars, I cannot have that happen. That island will be destroyed. Now whether or not you want to drag your entire nation into the situation is up to you, but I am bulldozing that island. I suggest freezing the money you are paying him and retracting your bid.]

Mid-Transit 'Demolition Contractors' Move

The Third Coalitionist Fleet, previously stationed at Vladivostok, has departed with the sole purpose of destroying Colombo Island. The fleet includes a sum of fourteen Cadiz Class SSBN's, twelve Tenerife SSH's, twenty two Coalitionist Class Battle Ships, fourteen Negotiator Class Destroyers and of course, two overhauled Nimitz Class Aircraft Carriers.
OOC: Kroando, are you in the CA?

That's too late. The isle now belongs to Whyatica.

[1. No, I am not in the CA. 2. It's called asset freezing. If Whyatica wants to cancel the bid, he simply freezes the money, and takes it back. Seeing as his economy is much larger than yours, International Banking Firms are going to listen to his freeze order, or risk losing billions... where as you would... well, you get the idea.]

Official Response of the Government of British Londinium

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The Britannic Commonwealth urges Whyatica to reconsider their purchase, as the money is going to directly finance a terrorist nation.

That's war for you.

Our beloved leader, Emperor Nero, sees the wisdom in Kroando's actions. The bulk of our glorious navy is already mobilized to fight the cowardly nation of Laquasa Isle. Our ships left port several days ago for the Laquasa mainland, but will be diverted to this island to prevent it from ever being sold. The Empire cannot and will not allow trillions of dollars to fall into the hands of these terrorists.

Imperial High Command
"Grand Admiral, our purchase has gone through. The Laquasans have accepted the first payment of five hundred billion credits, and their military and government personnel are preparing to leave the island. The tenth Tactical Fleet is prepared to move in, land it's marines, and formally assume control of Colombo." an enlisted man read off of his printout, which had come through from the Imperial Bureau of Finance.

"Orders confirmed. The 10th will move in and assume control over the island, and prepare to defend it from external threats. One nation is already threatening to
'bulldoze' the island, which is sorta funny to me because it's nearly physically impossible to bulldoze an island. Anyway, recall the fleet that's assisting Kroando and deploy it to Colombo as well. If they want to attempt to do this, fuck them, pardon my French." Grand Admiral Richard Nixon said, blustering.

"Aye, sir. Transmitting orders now."

Tenth Tactical Fleet, 395 nautical miles off the shore of Colombo Island
"Admiral, we are receiving orders from the H-Cee. We bought Colombo, now it's time to formally assume power and prepare to defend it against the..Kroandoans?" an ensign read from his viewscreen, obviously not knowing (or caring) who Kroando is.

"Alright. Full burn, we need to offload the marines before they get too antsy on the transports, anyway. Send a message to high command, get us some satellites over this area. I don't want to be surprised. Bring the fleet to yellow alert, arm all defensive weaponry and wake up the goddamn jarheads. This is not going to be good for us if we fall alseep, folks." Admiral Richard Jensen said. Admiral Jensen looked vaguely like a catfish, so he was suited to naval command.

"Aye, sir. Fleet ships are acknowledging the orders."

The one-hundred fifty-five ship strong force began moving at full burn to the island, knowing that another nation was making threats to 'bulldoze' it.

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Official Message of the Imperial Democracy
The Whyatican Empire has made it's decision - Parliament has approved the purchase, as well as taking military action against any forces that attempt to seize control of Colombo Island during the transfer of sovereignty, or after the Imperial forces take official control. We suggest to Kroando that they bugger off, as it were. All support to Kroando in the defense of their nation has been withdrawn, and the fleet is being sent to Colombo Island.

To the nation of British Londinium - It is not our concern.

Too bad, Whyatica is defending it. And Nero, I hope you realize that the whole "I attack BL" RP was closed. Lots of misinformation there.

Imperial High Command
"Grand Admiral, our purchase has gone through. The Laquasans have accepted the first payment of five hundred billion credits, and their military and government personnel are preparing to leave the island. The tenth Tactical Fleet is prepared to move in, land it's marines, and formally assume control of Colombo." an enlisted man read off of his printout, which had come through from the Imperial Bureau of Finance.

"Orders confirmed. The 10th will move in and assume control over the island, and prepare to defend it from external threats. One nation is already threatening to
'bulldoze' the island, which is sorta funny to me because it's nearly physically impossible to bulldoze an island. Anyway, recall the fleet that's assisting Kroando and deploy it to Colombo as well. If they want to attempt to do this, fuck them, pardon my French." Grand Admiral Richard Nixon said, blustering.

"Aye, sir. Transmitting orders now."

Tenth Tactical Fleet, 395 nautical miles off the shore of Colombo Island
"Admiral, we are receiving orders from the H-Cee. We bought Colombo, now it's time to formally assume power and prepare to defend it against the..Kroandoans?" an ensign read from his viewscreen, obviously not knowing (or caring) who Kroando is.

"Alright. Full burn, we need to offload the marines before they get too antsy on the transports, anyway. Send a message to high command, get us some satellites over this area. I don't want to be surprised. Bring the fleet to yellow alert, arm all defensive weaponry and wake up the goddamn jarheads. This is not going to be good for us if we fall alseep, folks." Admiral Richard Jensen said. Admiral Jensen looked vaguely like a catfish, so he was suited to naval command.

"Aye, sir. Fleet ships are acknowledging the orders."

The one-hundred fifty-five ship strong force began moving at full burn to the island, knowing that another nation was making threats to 'bulldoze' it.

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Official Message of the Imperial Democracy
The Whyatican Empire has made it's decision - Parliament has approved the purchase, as well as taking military action against any forces that attempt to seize control of Colombo Island during the transfer of sovereignty, or after the Imperial forces take official control. We suggest to Kroando that they bugger off, as it were. All support to Kroando in the defense of their nation has been withdrawn, and the fleet is being sent to Colombo Island.

To the nation of British Londinium - It is not our concern.

You want my help? So you know, there's a nuclear arsenal there.

[Well, your choice. Im gonna need some stats on your ships.]

CS Ural

"Admiral, word from Vladivostok!", a young Lieutenant saluted, the look of young inexpirience in his eye. "And...", grumbled the Captain as he looked over a packet of papers regarding key military targets on Colombo. "And... uhhh...", the Lieutenant lost his train of thought, pulling out the notice and re-reading it. "Ah! And we are to commence Plan D!", replied the eager officer, a wide grin on his face. "D? Why the fuck... are the Whayatica's actually trying to defend this piece of dirt? Gimme that damn notice!", shouted the middle aged man as he snatched the encrypted message from his hand, breaking the code as he read. "A hundred and fifty... why the... bah! Turn the damn fleet around Mr. Kilnov, we're heading back to port.", sighed the Captain, a look of complete dissatisfaction overcoming his face. "But Cap'n-", replied the strong Russian. "Turn the damn boats around!", shouted the officer once again, silencing the cab.

North of Colombo

And so it was. The surface fleet simply turned back and began heading to port. Doubtlessly the Whyaticans were watching, doubtlessly they saw the fleet turn. However there was something lurking below... something that they did not see. Stealth Subs, some of the best in the world were now moving at island. Macabee built, the technology was top of the line... now it was simply a matter of puting it to use. The 14 Cadiz Class SSBN's (http://z14.invisionfree.com/Kroando_Tech_Inc/index.php?showtopic=21) stopped some 80 miles north of the island, along with the 12 Tenerife Class SSH's (http://z14.invisionfree.com/Kroando_Tech_Inc/index.php?showtopic=20). The subs formed a semi circle over some twenty miles, with a lone Cadiz Class SSBN in the center. This lone Cadiz seemed to be committing suicide, as it pinged out it's RADAR at full blast, making it completely visible to any vessels in the area. Of course it could also see them, but regardless, it was certainly visible to the Whyatican Fleet. The sub relayed it's data to the rest of the sub-surface fleet... as they seemed to just sit and wait.

[Laquase, until you learn to RP, I ignore you. I dont go by the rule of 'Ah! I ignore invasions when im going to lose! Oh! Now I found allies! I invade!!!!]

10th Tactical Fleet
Thirty-five troopships eased into the main port of Colombo Island, and docking ramps dropped off when they stopped moving. Thousands of marines, fully armed and followed by a tank brigade, streamed off off the carriers, moving to secure the coastal fortifications and the main cities of Colombo Island before an invasion could be mounted. Reinforcement troops would be brought in, naturally, but this was the shock force to keep the former Laquasan citizens and Colomban natives in line.

The main city hall building of Colombo's capital, which had been renamed Cthulhu by some whimsical Whyatican map-makers, had been stormed by Whyatican marines, encountering no resistance as the natives appeared at least to accept the change in their rule from Laquasa Isle to the Imperial Democracy. There were numerous cities on this gargantuan island - it was, after all, 640,000 or so square kilometers, and reinforcements were moving in to assist in the defense of the island. Whyatican carrier-launched fighters swept over the island, dropping leaflets as to their new occupation. On those leaflets also included a bleak warning against resistance, as any town that resists will be summarily destroyed.

Bridge, IWNS Thessali
"Admiral, we are being pinged by a submarine, probably Kroandoan in origin." the sensor officer said, alarmed and confused by the..painfully stupid maneuver of using active SONAR against a fleet that can - and would - blow them up.

"Could be a trap..but I don't see any harm in blowing the Kroandoan sub up, yeah? Send an order to one of the missile destroyers to target it with an ASW missile salvo and destroy it." the Admiral said, contemplating what boneheaded move the Kroandoan Navy could be thinking of.

"Aye, sir.." the communications officer said, thinking to himself.

IWNS Destroyer Group IX, Destroyer I
"Captain Wilheim, we are recieving orders to launch against the enemy sub." the communications officer said.

"Follow them through. Launch a standard spread pattern of AS-ROCs, see if we can't hunt down the other subs because I'm sure as hell they aren't alone." the Captain said, directing a rocket pattern.

"Aye." the tactical officer said, pressing the buttons that would quite probably kill a few hundred people. Oh well, their loss.

Ten Whyatican-constructed anti-submarine rockets launched from vertical launch tubes, flying the eighty miles quite quickly, before submerging, converging on their target..

10th Tactical Fleet
Thirty-five troopships eased into the main port of Colombo Island, and docking ramps dropped off when they stopped moving. Thousands of marines, fully armed and followed by a tank brigade, streamed off off the carriers, moving to secure the coastal fortifications and the main cities of Colombo Island before an invasion could be mounted. Reinforcement troops would be brought in, naturally, but this was the shock force to keep the former Laquasan citizens and Colomban natives in line.

The main city hall building of Colombo's capital, which had been renamed Cthulhu by some whimsical Whyatican map-makers, had been stormed by Whyatican marines, encountering no resistance as the natives appeared at least to accept the change in their rule from Laquasa Isle to the Imperial Democracy. There were numerous cities on this gargantuan island - it was, after all, 640,000 or so square kilometers, and reinforcements were moving in to assist in the defense of the island. Whyatican carrier-launched fighters swept over the island, dropping leaflets as to their new occupation. On those leaflets also included a bleak warning against resistance, as any town that resists will be summarily destroyed.

Bridge, IWNS Thessali
"Admiral, we are being pinged by a submarine, probably Kroandoan in origin." the sensor officer said, alarmed and confused by the..painfully stupid maneuver of using active SONAR against a fleet that can - and would - blow them up.

"Could be a trap..but I don't see any harm in blowing the Kroandoan sub up, yeah? Send an order to one of the missile destroyers to target it with an ASW missile salvo and destroy it." the Admiral said, contemplating what boneheaded move the Kroandoan Navy could be thinking of.

"Aye, sir.." the communications officer said, thinking to himself.

IWNS Destroyer Group IX, Destroyer I
"Captain Wilheim, we are recieving orders to launch against the enemy sub." the communications officer said.

"Follow them through. Launch a standard spread pattern of AS-ROCs, see if we can't hunt down the other subs because I'm sure as hell they aren't alone." the Captain said, directing a rocket pattern.

"Aye." the tactical officer said, pressing the buttons that would quite probably kill a few hundred people. Oh well, their loss.

Ten Whyatican-constructed anti-submarine rockets launched from vertical launch tubes, flying the eighty miles quite quickly, before submerging, converging on their target..

OOC: I'm not trying to be difficult, but there are at least half a dozen nations including myself that posted sending their fleets to Laquasa Isle 1-2 real life days ago. That island is going to be crawling with our forces before you arrive.

OOC:Colombo Island was a Laquasan colony before he sold it to me and I put forces there. Laquasa Isle is his mainland, this is a former colony of his.

Laquase, until you learn to RP, I ignore you
OOC: Kroando, I'm going to be nice, because I was always told to be pleasant or silent. Pot. Kettle. Black.

IC:
The fax machine in the office of Kroando's leader screamed to life, railing against its very existence. It whined and groaned, finally spitting out a piece of paper and falling silent. It would remain to be seen if this poor piece of equipment, having served so well, would ever be the same. But be assured that the message was far more important than the machine's current distress. It appeared to have been originally written on Parchment with a quill pen, but it had been scanned and transmitted in such a high resolution that one was hard pressed to find a machine capable of handling it. And at the bottom was that infamous double signature, the calling sign of only one man: Atal Amner.

Salutations
I have been asked to say a few words regarding the recent acquisition of Colombo Island by my Whyatican allies, and the senseless Kroandoan and Neroan aggression towards their Whyatican friends. I shall attempt to keep it to a very few words, as the nations of Emperor Nero and Kroando are hardly worth more than a few sentences, but Whyatica is worth inestimably more, so I will make an exception.

From what I can tell, Kroando owes Whyatica for their heroic efforts to aid in their actions in stemming the Hatarian tide. While Hataria is not necessarily to be considered a serious threat to any nation sufficiently advanced past the stone age, it is still to be recognized that Whyatica was willing to put its soldiers on the line to defend Kroando. Soldiers who could have been put to better uses than fighting Hatarians. And this is how Kroando repays them, with threats and an invasion force?

Only a fool would attack a heavily armed friend currently aiding them in a conflict, over a piece of territory that is no longer their enemy's, in the name of weakening said enemy. It is an ignorant move, one that could be much more strategically done. If you wish to deny your enemy the funding, then you could attempt to negotiate with Whyatica. You could go ahead and actually invade your enemy, so as to make their eventual funding irrelevant. Unfortunately, I see neither of these actions taking place. I see foolish brinkmanship, inane rhetoric, and an apparent wish to commence hostilities with a one time friend. I also see an apparent weakness, and an unwillingness to face Laquasa Island. Why art thou so hasty to attack Whyatica, but so slow to attack Laquasa? Where are your invasion forces for them?

As Prime Minister of the Glorious Military Junta, I cannot allow any nation to presume to threaten Whyatica, one of our largest allies via multiple channels. The Military has been placed on alert, pending negotiations. However, I would advise you to cease and desist in your senseless attack. You are merely encouraging nations to aid this nation of Laquasa Island, and attack you for inept statesmanship. As you probably know, the negotiating table is still open on all sides. However, additional actions will close it, and option this Corporate Alliance does not want I can assure you.

Atal Amner
Atal Amner

ooc:
Nero: That's what makes it fun :D

[Still need those ship stats.]

Submerged Fleet

The pinging SONAR detector continued to ring out in a seemingly suicidal move... louder and louder, the pulsing waves emitted by the device. When the ten missiles dove, and eventually exploded, the SONAR went off. To anyone watching it was a signal that the sub was destroyed... when in reality, the AN/SQR-19 TACTAS was the only thing damage. The towed SONAR piece, located some mile behind the sub itself was the only thing emitting sound, and was quite damaged in the missile strike... but that was not the point. The Whyaticans had filled in the last piece of 'Plan D'. They had fired first, they had started the war... the subs were from that point on, free to tear the enemy limb from limb.

Using the targets aquired from the previous 'SONAR Stunt', the Tenerife's began to advance. Diving to a depth of nearly 2.3 Kilometers in order to add to their already extremely stealthy nature, they continued using only previously aquired data so as to avoid detection from their own systems... their speed was also pitifully slow, so as to minimize noise, which was already next to non-existant due to the make up of the sub. Slowly but surely, they edged onwards. The Cadiz's remained behind, completely silent... 'playing dead'.

Quick Reply

Any nation that supplies our enemy, is our enemy. We gave ample warning that by purchasing this island, conflict would arise. Our warning was not heeded. If you see it necessary to throw your nation into war in order to defend a nation so pitiful as Laquasa Isle, then so be it. We shall not back down to foriegn threats of any nature, nor shall we tolerate those who deliberately fund our enemies to the detriment of our soldiers.

[As to why I am not invading Laquasa Isle. He ignored my attack because he did not like my reason for attacking... which is why I am contemplating scraping this entire thing and just ignoring him flat out.]

OOC: Is this sold yet?

OOC: We wanted to attack Laquasa Isle and all of his colonies. The island you just purchased never existed prior to this auction. It is something Laquasa Isle pulled out his arse to make a quick buck for his war.

The forces dispatched to conquer Laquasa Isle were complete overkill. Rest assured that we would have sent forces to take over this island too had its existance been known to us. We had plenty of ships and men to spare. Of course we didn't know about the colony days ago when our fleets were sent because the colony didn't exist then.

To be fair to all involved, I suggest we come up with a map of this island, and just say we landed our forces on different parts of the map. The island is pretty big so that is entirely possible.

OOC: If nobody objects, I will make a map of the island.

OOC: Go ahead.

OOC:You may want to read the stats on your submarines - the crush depth is 1.5km, which would mean you've just successfully crushed your own submarines before they're a threat to me. But hey, it's not my fault if you do not know how to read your own submarine's statistics. I'll assume they were destroyed. Nero - I don't care. The island is mine, and solely mine, and if you want to come after it, try me. I'm making a map for the island. IC to come.

[I think you are getting my submarines mixed up. The Cadiz has a crush of 1.5. The Tenerife has one of 2.5. The Tenerife went to 2.3. The Cadiz sits at 1. And I still need the stats on your ships.]

IC:
10th Tactical Fleet
"Admiral, the target is destroyed, and our active SONAR systems are picking up faint targets diving down rapidly. They can't possibly survive down that low, Admiral, they must be either idiots or...oh well, Admiral, they've dropped off the SONAR, even the deep SONAR probes can't find them. Their idiot captains probably sent them below their crush depth." the sensor officer said, smirking.

"I see." the Admiral said, constraining his laughter.

"The marines have reported that they control Cthulhu and Port Austin now, and there is no resistance. The 9th Expeditionary has sent us a transmission - their ships will be here in approximately 9 days." the comm officer said, over the chuckles of the others.

"The map-makers have also submitted a draft of the map, along with city names and fortifications, Admiral." the comm officer reported.

"Transmit it to the computer in my ready room, I'll review it myself." the Admiral said.

"Aye, sir."

Admiral Jensen got up, went into his ready room, and looked at the map, plotting probable landing points and surface fortifications. Nine infantry divisions had been pledged for the defense of Colombo Island by the High Command, but it would take a week and a half for the reinforcements to get there, so he had to make due with what he had. One-hundred fifty-five ships and 41,000 marines wouldn't be able to hold it for very long, unless, of course, the attackers were incompetent.

That was a good possibility.

[I think you are getting my submarines mixed up. The Cadiz has a crush of 1.5. The Tenerife has one of 2.5. The Tenerife went to 2.3. The Cadiz sits at 1. And I still need the stats on your ships.]
[I dont know if you just like treating people like three year olds, or if you do it unintentionally, but if you could try to stop referring to me as a complete fuck-tard, that would be great. Thanks.]

OOC:A) A crush depth of 2.5 km or even 1km is rather wanky, to say the least. Anyway, any information your subs GET on mine would be outdated, because the main body of combat ships are still moving. Next, the continental shelf around the island can't be more than 500 or 600 meters deep, so you'd run into that if you tried to dive to that wanky depth. Next, the noise of my fleet moving around would be masked by the thermocline and the HUGE depth, assuming your subs didn't crush themselves trying to GO that low.

OOC: Kroando, I hope you know that a crush depth of 1.5 or 2.5km is pure wank, the most advanced RL submarine, the german U214 only has a diving depth of >400m, while the american sea wolf is only supposed to be able to get to 730m before being crushed, while the virginia is even less!

So, no large submarine could withstand the depths you are saying they can, you might want to fix this. Also I doubt that the continential shelf surrounding the island is over 1km, especially this close to the island. Also, 80km is much to far for even a very powerful active sonar to reach. There are many things wrong with the Cadiz and Tenerife classes. I suggest you talk to The Macabees about their legitimacy before you use them again.

Also, No Endorse, you have a TG.

IC:

[Skyian 4th Expeditionary Fleet]

The Skyian 4th Expeditionary Fleet had been rerouted from Clandonia Prime to Colombo Isle soon after the Whyaticans had purchased it. The Whyaticans were catching some flak by E.V.I.L. and the CA for supposedly 'financing terrorists', when both alliances were nothing but terrorists themselves. They had contacted their Skyian allies and had requested help in fighting off any attempted invasions, and troops and ships destined for Clandonia were sent towards Colombo Isle, only a few hours behind the Whyatican fleet.

Oh, and one more thing, they were much more powerful, at nearly 4 times the size of the whyatican fleet it was a force to be reckoned with. Especially with their 60 'Poseidon'-Class Heavy Attack Submarines. They employed numerous sensors besides their sonar, such as blue-green lidar arrays and Magnetic Anomaly Detection equipment, rendering even rather low tech Cadiz's and Tenerife's vunerable to detection.

However, because of the extreme depth of the submarines, which put them below the thermocline, thus rendering passive sonar useless, and the fact they were not operating active sonar, which would have been equally useless, they did not know that the Skyian Fleet was only a mere 40km behind them, or 120km behind the Whyatican Fleet.

As soon as the Whyaticans won the bid for the island the Skyian Fleet had departed, although not just to help secure the island, but to assert their purchase of 2 Military bases on the island from the Whyaticans, seen here (http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/8599/mapofcolombo2nm1.png), which had been purchased for 500 Billion Pandora Gems ($1,014,700,000,000 USD).

With them they brought 189,800 troops, or two Army Corps to help secure the island. Meanwhile a message was broadcasted to the world.

Official Message
The Armed Capitalist Republic of The Silver Sky

The Armed Capitalist Republic of The Silver Sky has been notified that their glorious ally, the Imperial Democracy of Whyatica had purchased a very large island, Colombo Isle, for the price of 4.5 Trillion Credits from the nation of Laquasa Isle, this was of no worthy news until we learned of another fact.

There seem to be many nations, notably Kroando, Emperor Nero, and British Londinium, oppose this move by the Whyatican Government, saying that they are financing a 'terroristic nation' by buying the very large island. Even the two former nations have even gone so far as to declare the island theirs and have sent forces to contest the Whyatican's rightful claim on the island.

We cannot allow an ally's sovereignty to be denied, we as Sovereign League Members, NO, as brothers in arms, cannot allow this island, it's people, and it's resources, to fall into the hands of the true terrorists, the alliance EVIL, and the Corporate Alliance. We have sent forces to assist our brothers in the defence of their rightful land, we shall never bow down before the forces of evil. Join me proud citizens of The Silver Sky, as we say 'NAY!' to these threats and unite behind our military, and our brothers, the Whyaticans, to fight off the forces of evil and oppression! Join us in the fight against the Corporate Alliance and EVIL! We call upon our alliances to show support for the Whyaticans at this time. Let Freedom, and Sovereignty Reign!

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Just as the first message was sent to the across the world a second message was quickly rifled off over a secure line to No Endorse.

Private Message
From: President Kara Maddox, The Silver Sky
To: Prime Minister Atal Amner, No Endorse

I would like to call upon your nation, as not only a Sovereign League ally, but as a personal friend, to help defend the Whyatica's rightful claim to Colombo Isle, we have grown found of your choice of words towards those who oppose us, and we hope you'd be interested in showing that your skill reaches beyond your keyboard. So what do you say to sending some forces.

OOC: I suggest this thread be ignored by everyone involved. I searched the forum. Like someone said this island never existed until today. Players should not be allowed to get around their nation's economic limitations by simply making up a colony to sell whenever they are in a pinch. If we allowed that, everyone would have access to unlimited wealth whenever they needed it.

I've read the EVIL vs. Laquasa Isle threads. As much as Laquasa Isle deserves to be taken behind a shed to be beaten like a rented mule, it won't happen. He is the sort of person that can't role-play a war without it devolving into a huge OOC argument or nuclear war. I think everyone would be better off if you just ignored everything he has done to provoke you, and move on to something more fun.

If you guys agree, I'd be happy to whip up a map of some backwater continent for you guys to colonize and fight over in a semi-closed thread. I would write it up as a continent with decent resources that is run by corrupt dictatorships that constantly fight one another; which needs some nations to show up and straighten them out.

OOC: I agree. Making up a colony for a quick buck shouldn't be allowed.

However, I saw someone contest your use of commerce; why? This is the type of thing Commerce should be used on.

OOC: I agree. Making up a colony for a quick buck shouldn't be allowed.

However, I saw someone contest your use of commerce; why? This is the type of thing Commerce should be used on.

I am not certain. I think their objection wasn't so much that I was paying for it out of commerce, but that I was spending $1.1 trillion, which is roughly what my annual commerce budget is.

Personally, if I had won the auction, I probably would have role-played my nation going into debt, and paying off the debt over a few years. Of course, I wouldn't have bid at all had I known about the shenanigans involved in the sale.

OOC: If you're using your entire commerce budget, you're not going into debt, you have the cash, you'll just have to scrap other commerce funding to buy the island.

OOC they just wasting man power and money over this

OOC: I suppose I could have done that, but I wouldn't want to leave my businesses hanging for a year. It is a moot point anyway because I was outbid :)

OOC: Can you make a backwater continent. My people live on a coastal strip just south of Hong Kong.

OOC they just wasting man power and money over this

OOC: Ya.

I just hope they buy some weapons from me :)

OOC: Can you make a backwater continent. My people live on a coastal strip just south of Hong Kong.

OOC: Ya, I am photoshopping a map right now. Progess is slow because I keep writing stuff :)

I probably won't be ready tonight. I am going to try to write up some details about the pre-existing nations.

OOC: Lol, kk. Thanks.

OOC: Ya.

I just hope they buy some weapons from me :)
OOC
you have a store or are you making one

OOC: I suppose I could have done that, but I wouldn't want to leave my businesses hanging for a year. It is a moot point anyway because I was outbid :)I wish I didn't have a commerce budget. My ideal government wouldn't give handouts to any businesses.

OOC
you have a store or are you making one

OOC: Sort of. A while ago, I opened a storefront with a couple other nations that started playing around the same time I did. It started off real well. We were getting a lot of business, but my partners got frustrated over all the OOC arguing around here, and ended up quitting the game.

The original storefront we ran was shut down, but Ezaltia is running a shop similar to ours. I've been toying with the old shop, and will probably be opening it up again soon. In the meantime, I've got a few contracts going for big customers (like alliances and really big nations)

If you care to look, here is the shop (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=507795) as is stands now. I'm still tweeking it, but it should be ready to go in a week or two.

OOC: Sort of. A while ago, I opened a storefront with a couple other nations that started playing around the same time I did. It started off real well. We were getting a lot of business, but my partners got frustrated over all the OOC arguing around here, and ended up quitting the game.

The original storefront we ran was shut down, but Ezaltia is running a shop similar to ours. I've been toying with the old shop, and will probably be opening it up again soon. In the meantime, I've got a few contracts going for big customers (like alliances and really big nations)

If you care to look, here is the shop (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=507795) as is stands now. I'm still tweeking it, but it should be ready to go in a week or two.
OOC
that's why i don't got to war here,you get nuke or end up in ooc fight
i'll take a look but i'm FT

[My subs were purchased from Mac at Kriegzimmer, a front that pretty much everyone either does business with or accepts as realistic. If you dont buy the stats after reading the write up, talk to Macabees.

As to this thread, im ignoring it. It is a total load of shit. Lets look at the scenario... EVIL declares war on Laquasa Isle and all of it's possessions. Two days later Laquasa Isle suddenly has Colombo Island? Now why was it's existance never before known? We would have invaded it on day one, and he never would have been able to sell it. The fact of the matter is, he made up an island during a war, and sold it to finance a war. If that is accepted by NS as 'ok RP', then fine... I now have 100,000 Colombo Islands, going at 10 Million a pop. I must assume that Whyatica misunderstood the situation, because if he had known what he was doing, he would have like wisely ignored the thread. Now if I ignore the islands existance, I obviously ignore the fact that Whyatica bought it... or if we are going to play the game of 'I can make up islands whenever I want', then fine. Whyatica, I have two Islands Colomba Island and Colombi Island. They are the exact same as Colombo Island. I will give them both to you for fifty cents.

But if you guys want to have a closed war seperate from this jibberish, id be more than willing. Im sure it'd be entertaining.]

OOC: Kroando, he's finally agreed to an open thread located here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=512040). Fight in there.

[All I saw was him agree to a closed war, you use orbital weapons, him ignore you, you quitting, everyone agreeing to ignore him. But for reference, I dont RP with lazer guns.]

[All I saw was him agree to a closed war, you use orbital weapons, him ignore you, you quitting, everyone agreeing to ignore him. But for reference, I dont RP with lazer guns.]

OCC: But you use orbital missiles and space weapons yourself. I don't see why you wouldn't use lasers, they are, for sure, MT.

OCC: But you use orbital missiles and space weapons yourself. I don't see why you wouldn't use lasers, they are, for sure, MT.

OOC: Actually, PMT. They still have a little ways to go. Anyways, victory party at my place! See thread.

OOC: Actually, PMT. They still have a little ways to go. Anyways, victory party at my place! See thread.

OCC: 15 years in the future is NS:

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/systems/THEL.html

And that's shot down missiles.

http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/program/abl.htm

That may go into service in 2008, which is two years away.

[They are highly experimental. As in, no nation uses them, and will not, with any effectiveness, for fifty years. Orbital weapons involve a missile, attached to a satellite. Both exist, and work. Lazers are not MT... not even NS MT.]

[They are highly experimental. As in, no nation uses them, and will not, with any effectiveness, for fifty years. Orbital weapons involve a missile, attached to a satellite. Both exist, and work. Lazers are not MT... not even NS MT.]
OOC
you are right, the only way you have them is your a FT Nation

[They are highly experimental. As in, no nation uses them, and will not, with any effectiveness, for fifty years. Orbital weapons involve a missile, attached to a satellite. Both exist, and work. Lazers are not MT... not even NS MT.]

[OOC: Large Solid state lasers are not MT, however, chemical lasers, such as MIRACL, are perfectly MT, and MIRACL is the strongest of them, with a 1MW output it is capable of mostly likely destroying missiles and satellites, especially if upped to NS MT.

Not to mention that MIRACL is the laser used on the THEL/MTHEL projects, and it has sucessfully been tested. Not to mention that the airforce plans to deploy solid state lasers on the F-35 within 2015, seeing as we already have 10kw lasers to explode ordinance in Iraq.]

[Regarding Lazers. Ill admit I dont know a damn thing about them... but ill be damned if I have to play past tech in order to have a war with assault rifles.]

[Regarding Lazers. Ill admit I dont know a damn thing about them... but ill be damned if I have to play past tech in order to have a war with assault rifles.]


*vigorous applause*

What's wrong with plain old assault rifles and current technology? Nothing at all

[Regarding Lazers. Ill admit I dont know a damn thing about them... but ill be damned if I have to play past tech in order to have a war with assault rifles.]

OOC: Some RL nations have lasers, nothing combat class. As PMT is 15 years from present, combat lasers would be possible, but not the best.

[Regarding Lazers. Ill admit I dont know a damn thing about them... but ill be damned if I have to play past tech in order to have a war with assault rifles.]

OOC: You shouldn't have too, lasers will never be able to truely replace large caliber cannons, missiles, or assault rifles(even in FT), let alone even fit inside of a tank or assault rifle. They just need too much space (in the case of chemical lasers) or too much power (in the cause of solid state lasers) to be truely mobile on anything besides, satellits, big ass convoys (THEL type) or ships.

*vigorous applause*

What's wrong with plain old assault rifles and current technology? Nothing at all

I only use lasers for an anti-missile role. It's not like my men have lasers, they have good old fashioned assault rifles!

[Well, we're getting a bit off topic now. I dont know anything about lazers, so ill leave it do the people that do. But right now I just need to have Whyatica agree to ignore Laquasa... that happens and we're all fine. Once I explain the situation, im sure he'll agree.]

[Well, we're getting a bit off topic now. I dont know anything about lazers, so ill leave it do the people that do. But right now I just need to have Whyatica agree to ignore Laquasa... that happens and we're all fine. Once I explain the situation, im sure he'll agree.]

OCC: I agree.

OOC:Kroando, TG! You'll see my explanation there.