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The Charon class frigate is made to be the primary escort ship of the Corporate Alliance. The frigate is produced in Griffincrest facilities in Redemption, Blackhelm Confederacy, and Vik, Kamasha. The Charon is a well armed vessel, and is quite capable of holding its own in battles and is more than capable during coastal assaults.

SPECIFICATIONS
-Builder: Griffincrest Oil Incorporated
-Role(s): Fleet Defense/Destroyer Escort
-Country of Origin: Blackhelm Confederacy
-Displacement: 3000 Tons
-Length: 400 Feet, 0 Inches
-Beam: 45 Feet
-Armament: 2x MK. 54 Octuple Torpedo Launchers, 2x Twin 122mm Guns, 1x 4-Tube ASROC Launhcer, 1x Bofors Quad 40mm Air Defense Cannons, 2x Skynet (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12901255&postcount=1) systems, 2x AK-630 CIWS systems, 1x Riverstone Cormorant (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=559060) launcher
-Powerplant: 5x Griffincrest Diesel Engines (25,000 SHP; 2 Shafts)
-Maximum Speed: 32 Knots
-Armoring System: Steel/Tungsten (outer surfaces) armoring with Boronated Steel (inner surfaces)
-Cost Per Ship: $20,000,000.00 USD

The Britannic Commonwealth would like to purchase eighty of these.

The Britannic Commonwealth would like to purchase eighty of these.

$160,000,000 for the lot. Use them well my Corporate brother.

The money has been wired.

The Charon class frigate is made to be the primary escort ship of the Corporate Alliance. The frigate is produced in Griffincrest facilities in Redemption, Blackhelm Confederacy, and Vik, Kamasha. The Charon is a well armed vessel, and is quite capable of holding its own in battles and is more than capable during coastal assaults.

SPECIFICATIONS
-Builder: Griffincrest Oil Incorporated
-Role(s): Fleet Defense/Destroyer Escort
-Country of Origin: Blackhelm Confederacy
-Displacement: 1,700 Tons
-Length: 320 Feet, 0 Inches (97.356 Meters)
-Beam: 41.11 Feet (12.53 Meters)
-Armament: 2x MK. 54 Octuple Torpedo Launchers, 2x Twin 122mm Guns, 1x 4-Tube ASROC Launhcer, 2x Bofors Quad 40mm Air Defense Cannons, 2x Sa-N-4 missiles systems, 2x AK-630 CIWS systems
-Powerplant: 5x Griffincrest Diesel Engines (25,000 SHP; 2 Shafts)
-Maximum Speed: 40 Knots
-Armoring System: Steel/Tungsten (outer surfaces) armoring with Boronated Steel (inner surfaces)
-Cost Per Ship: $20,000,000.00 USD

We'd like one hundred.

The Britannic Commonwealth would like to order an additional one hundred and sixty frigates, for the price of 3,200,000,000 USD. The money has been wired in advance. Apologies for the inconvience.

No Taxes Defense Inc. would like to inquire as to how much domestic production rights for the Charon Class Frigate would cost. We will agree not to sell designs to other nations and will only make slight modifications to better accodomate these ships within the No Taxes Navy.

The Londinian Ministry for Defence would also like to attain domestic production rights.

Laquasa would also like production rights, and another 100 ships.

We'd like 80.

We'd like one hundred.

This is really only supposed to be for Corporate Alliance members.

Production rights will go for 4 billion dollars.

Constantinalia, I like you, you can have them, just wire the money.

Four billion dollars has been wired for the production rights.

The Charon class frigate is made to be the primary escort ship of the Corporate Alliance. The frigate is produced in Griffincrest facilities in Redemption, Blackhelm Confederacy, and Vik, Kamasha. The Charon is a well armed vessel, and is quite capable of holding its own in battles and is more than capable during coastal assaults.

SPECIFICATIONS
-Builder: Griffincrest Oil Incorporated
-Role(s): Fleet Defense/Destroyer Escort
-Country of Origin: Blackhelm Confederacy
-Displacement: 1,700 Tons
-Length: 320 Feet, 0 Inches (97.356 Meters)
-Beam: 41.11 Feet (12.53 Meters)
-Armament: 2x MK. 54 Octuple Torpedo Launchers, 2x Twin 122mm Guns, 1x 4-Tube ASROC Launhcer, 2x Bofors Quad 40mm Air Defense Cannons, 2x Sa-N-4 missiles systems, 2x AK-630 CIWS systems
-Powerplant: 5x Griffincrest Diesel Engines (25,000 SHP; 2 Shafts)
-Maximum Speed: 40 Knots
-Armoring System: Steel/Tungsten (outer surfaces) armoring with Boronated Steel (inner surfaces)
-Cost Per Ship: $20,000,000.00 USD

Before or after their infrastructure crumbled?

The war to expel the GASN forces had taken its toll on the Confederate and Griffincrest forces, taking the lives of thousands of sailors. Griffincrest demanded increased business priveleges due to the amount of men it lost to save the nation, and Claudius Griffincrest reminded the aging Chancellor of just how many GSF men were in every major city. Redemption had been smashed by a biological weapon assault which could have been avoided, bringing the city-state to the brink of seccession. The CWP still ran rampant throughout the rural and jungle infested areas of the country, and in places like Angel Bay had near complete control. The Divinity Semi-Autonomous Military, seeing the opportunitym threatened succesion from the Confederacy as well, unless a list of military and economic reforms for the city-state were made, and provided by the Confederate government. Paradise City itself was still aflame, mobs roaming throughout the vast expanse of slums with virtually free reign. The Senate was a mad house, at times men coming to blows over policy. To Chancellor Lucius Blackhelm, the Confederacy was ending. That was, of course, until the Senate finally found a group to use as a scapegoat for all of the problems of the Confederacy.
:D

Before or after their infrastructure crumbled?



:D


After, I'm rebuilding, haven't you seen my new thread?

Wiring 160 million. Thanks for the business!

100 Charon Class Frigates please.

Total account: 2 Billion USD

100 Charon Class Frigates please.

Total account: 2 Billion USD

Ships will be delivered in a few months. Thanks.

After, I'm rebuilding, haven't you seen my new thread?

I believe I've seen it...

The Charon is a well armed vessel, and is quite capable of holding its own in battles and is more than capable during coastal assaults

Given that it has essentially no offensive armament despite being absurdly overarmed for its displacement, how is it supposed to be capable of holding its own in any sort of battle or coastal assault?

Before or after their infrastructure crumbled?


:D
[OOC: In fairness, this design is pretty austere. It's something that a developing or rebuilding nation would indeed build.]

Ministry of Defence Procurement Order

Order as follows:
10x Charon Class Frigates - $200,000,000
Total: $200,000,000

4 Billion USD have been wired for production rights.

Given that it has essentially no offensive armament despite being absurdly overarmed for its displacement, how is it supposed to be capable of holding its own in any sort of battle or coastal assault?

Being that it is a frigate, it is not boing to being engaging in a slug fest with a dreadnought. It can however hold its own in combat with other frigates, corvettes, and destroyers.

And it has no offensive armament, what about that pair of twin 122mm guns and some torpedo launchers?

Ministry of Defence Procurement Order

Order as follows:
10x Charon Class Frigates - $200,000,000
Total: $200,000,000

Excellent. The ships will be sent within the month.

4 Billion USD have been wired for production rights.

Production rights are being sent. Enjoy.

[OOC: In fairness, this design is pretty austere. It's something that a developing or rebuilding nation would indeed build.]
ooc: Indeed..Not a bad design at all, Blackhelm.

Would probably order some, myself, if the Ægir class didn't already fulfill virtually the same role in my navy.

Ros has a point, I did some looking into ral life destroyer designs...
So, for the sake of comparission...
SPECIFICATIONS
-Builder: Griffincrest Oil Incorporated
-Role(s): Fleet Defense/Destroyer Escort
-Country of Origin: Blackhelm Confederacy
-Displacement: 1,700 Tons
-Length: 320 Feet, 0 Inches (97.356 Meters)
-Beam: 41.11 Feet (12.53 Meters)
-Armament: 2x MK. 54 Octuple Torpedo Launchers, 2x Twin 122mm Guns, 1x 4-Tube ASROC Launhcer, 2x Bofors Quad 40mm Air Defense Cannons, 2x Sa-N-4 missiles systems, 2x AK-630 CIWS systems
-Powerplant: 5x Griffincrest Diesel Engines (25,000 SHP; 2 Shafts)
-Maximum Speed: 40 Knots
-Armoring System: Steel/Tungsten (outer surfaces) armoring with Boronated Steel (inner surfaces)
-Cost Per Ship: $20,000,000.00 USD

Type 15 destroyer
Displacement: 2,300 tons standard / 2,700 tons full load
Length: 358 ft o/a
Beam: 37.75 ft
Draught: 14.5 ft
Propulsion: 2 x Admiralty three-drum boilers, steam turbines, 2 shafts, 40,000 shp
Speed: 31 knots full load
Complement: 174
Armament: 1 x twin 4 in gun Mark 19
1 x twin 40mm Bofors gun Mk.5;
2 x Squid A/S mortar or;
2 x Limbo Mark 10 A/S mortar
Radar: Type 293Q target indication, later;
Type 993 target indication
Type 277Q surface search
Type 974 navigation
Type 262 fire control on director CRBF
Type 1010 Cossor Mark 10 IFF
Sonar: Type 174 search
Type 162 target classification
Type 170 attack
Almost the same length, and tonnage, and almost twice the horsepower, yet is somehow slower than your ship...


Fubuki Class 1935 to 1937
115.3 meters (378.3 feet) long
beam: 10.4 meters (34 feet)
draught 3.2 meters (10.5 feet)
displacement 1750 tons standard and 2057 tons fully loaded
they later increased the displacement to 2050 tons standard and 2400 tons fully loaded for ballast.
Propulsion: geared steam turbines with four boilers providing 50,000 shp through two shafts and originally giving the ships a top speed of 38 knots. The rebuild reduced the top speed slightly.
Range: 5000 miles at 14 knots.
Again, same size, same tonnage, exactly twice the power, and still slower.
I'll also noter that armarment is almost identical...

And yes, I used wiki...
I also noted I only found one class of destroyers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Fantasque_class_destroyer)that matched your boat in speed...
It had a HP of about 80,000, over three times that of your boat.
I'll also note it only had slightly better armarment than yours as well, yet wieghed considerably more, on account of the massively lager powerplant...

The amament us not even close. The only similarity is the Bofors.

Also, this is the CA version of Asgarnieu's Katana. You have a traitor in the GASN who sold me the design via TG. So if this is not correct, bring up the problems with him, i just switched up the type of engine and changed the guns, and lowered the cost.

The amament us not even close. The only similarity is the Bofors.

Also, this is the CA version of Asgarnieu's Katana. You have a traitor in the GASN who sold me the design via TG. So if this is not correct, bring up the problems with him, i just switched up the type of engine and changed the guns, and lowered the cost.

OCC: Damn Dephire. I should kill him myself. That is, if my old government was in control!

OCC: Damn Dephire. I should kill him myself. That is, if my old government was in control!

What makes you think Dephire?

Oh yea, and I also am working on a Griffincrest version of Rosdivans Shepard.

What makes you think Dephire?

Oh yea, and I also am working on a Griffincrest version of Rosdivans Shepard.

OCC: I saw him post on your CA thread.

Wait, so if Ros and Asgarnieu didn't sell you the designs...

Wouldn't that make you in a way infringing on copyrights?

Not that it hasn't been done before, what with Leaf selling heavily modded designs of the early HT-101 to compete with more modern designs...
(Like when the Isrealis use heavily modified M-4 Shermans, and later, T-54s, or the later development of the T-84 'flying tank' in southeastern Europe)

Wait, so if Ros and Asgarnieu didn't sell you the designs...

Wouldn't that make you in a way infringing on copyrights?

Not that it hasn't been done before, what with Leaf selling heavily modded designs of the early HT-101 to compete with more modern designs...
(Like when the Isrealis use heavily modified M-4 Shermans, and later, T-54s, or the later development of the T-84 'flying tank' in southeastern Europe)

No because it isn't their ship/missile. I changed it to make it a CA vessel, kinda like what the Soviets did when our planes crashed in Russia.

ooc: Indeed..Not a bad design at all, Blackhelm.

Would probably order some, myself, if the Ægir class didn't already fulfill virtually the same role in my navy.
[OOC: That isn't really what I was saying. By "austere" I mean "cheap and a bit rubbish". From an OOC design point of view, the ship is too short and displaces too little for its stated armament, and it is too fast. But if those problems are fixed you have something that wouldn't look out of place in the 1970s Soviet navy.]

No because it isn't their ship/missile. I changed it to make it a CA vessel, kinda like what the Soviets did when our planes crashed in Russia.

Or when the Soviet Union crumbled and Germany acquired a few MiG-29 Fulcrums.

(also notes defection of a MiG-25 to Japan, and the crash of a U-2 spy plane, which didn't resualt in a copiyng of each others' design)

And soviet copies of other's designs tended to be of less qualities than the original designs...
And the AK-47 isn't a copy of the Stg-44... (any influence was only last minute as the development of the rifle was almost finished by the end of WW2, work on the rifle started as early as the SVT became apparently unwieldly)
The M-60 is an 'Americanized' copy of the MG-42...
and the Arisaka was a Japanese copied version of an Early Mauser rifle...

You might get a success story here and there, like the FN Mag (copied from BAR M-1918A2) MG-34 or Bren (both copied from the same Czech gun [ZB-26], wich itself was a copy of of the French FM-24/29 Chaterlout)

Oddly, both the FM-24/29 and BAR were developed shortly after their dissatifaction with the performance of the same Light Machine gun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauchat)...

I don't know of any of those things, but I bought the designs from a GASN turncoat, and changed them to create a CA ship.

I don't know of any of those things, but I bought the designs from a GASN turncoat, and changed them to create a CA ship.

And he wouldn't be hard to find, as he'd have possesion of both the Katana class, and the Shepard, and be a member of GASN.

Plus he'd most like have intentionally avoided posting on this thread.

The hard part is discovering who it was ICly...

And he wouldn't be hard to find, as he'd have possesion of both the Katana class, and the Shepard, and be a member of GASN.

Plus he'd most like have intentionally avoided posting on this thread.

OCC: It's Dephire, man.

OCC: It's Dephire, man.

Except Dephire isn't a GASN turncoat...
Since last I checked, he wasn't a member since the great re-org...

Except Dephire isn't a GASN turncoat...
Since last I checked, he wasn't a member since the great re-org...

Ah, but he still has the designs.

[OOC: That isn't really what I was saying. By "austere" I mean "cheap and a bit rubbish". From an OOC design point of view, the ship is too short and displaces too little for its stated armament, and it is too fast. But if those problems are fixed you have something that wouldn't look out of place in the 1970s Soviet navy.]
ooc: d'oh..Prae, you should know by now that I have a bit of a tendency to miss obvios design flaws unless they are pointed out to me..:eek:

Probably is a little top heavy, too, in addition to what you pointed out, due to the length problem..

Oh and for the record: It was not me..I don't even use the designs he claims to be copying in my own navy, so I'm innocent.

I've made a list of nations that could've given BC the designs, Dephire is on the list only because of one nation's constant and unrelenting certainty it was him.

I've made a list of nations that could've given BC the designs, Dephire is on the list only because of one nation's constant and unrelenting certainty it was him.

Go read the CA thread, it was on there, and should be, unless it has been deleted.

Go read the CA thread, it was on there, and should be, unless it has been deleted.

It has't been deleted, it just doesn't look right, since the Dephirian military had no IC access to either design.

I might as well fess up and state it very clearly, that I am considering either:

The People's Freedom (due to recent buildup of shore defenses and adamnt claims that Dephire did it)

Or Questers (Since he had IC access to the Shepard and Asgarnieu offered a few of his ships to the GASN fleet)

I won't even consider the possability that Cravan is the traitor...

I'll also note, that the 'real' Katana class, has considerably greater horspower, and only goes 41 knots... And doesn't have dual gun mounts, they are singles...

Being that it is a frigate, it is not boing to being engaging in a slug fest with a dreadnought. It can however hold its own in combat with other frigates, corvettes, and destroyers.

I wasn't talking about dreadnoughts. I was thinking of ships like the Oliver Hazard Perry-class frigate, which is of marginal utility even with its armament, which would slap your ship down like it wasn't even there.


And it has no offensive armament, what about that pair of twin 122mm guns and some torpedo launchers?

It has no offensive armament for anything in the age of the guided missile. Those weapons are simply not effective when your opponent is launching Harpoons or other long-range anti-ship missiles at you.


The only people who have access to the blueprints of the Shepherd missile are:
Avisron
Questers
Cravan
Carbandia

Hurtful Thoughts has one thousand missiles that he purchased from us, but not access to the blueprints and such.

Also, NOBODY, not even a single member or former member of the GASN has purchased or stolen the blueprints to the Katana class.

Blackhelm Confederacy, I do proclaim you are mistaken that anyone gave you the designs to either weapons system.

Whoever gave you those designs gave you intentional forgeries, most likely full of flaws and technical errors, chances are your missiles and ships won't even work...

It has't been deleted, it just doesn't look right, since the Dephirian military had no IC access to either design.

I might as well fess up and state it very clearly, that I am considering either:

The People's Freedom (due to recent buildup of shore defenses and adamnt claims that Dephire did it)

Or Questers (Since he had IC access to the Shepard and Asgarnieu offered a few of his ships to the GASN fleet)

I won't even consider the possability that Cravan is the traitor...

I'll also note, that the 'real' Katana class, has considerably greater horspower, and only goes 41 knots... And doesn't have dual gun mounts, they are singles...

What does the buildup of defenses have anything to do with it?

I'm sure a pair of 122mm cannons are going to help you hold your own against other frigates when you have four SSMs heading your way. This thing can't hold its own against anything, being as it is having no offensive missile capabilities past the range of torpedo or gun, it is so fast for its weight and horsepower that is is quite simply a godmod. I would bet one of my patrol boats against this thing, or a maritime bomber with Shepherds or Lances. Blackhelm, you really need to start thinking before you start designing, mostly about what role it is going to play via what method.

Secondly, I did not give any of the blueprints from the Katana class away, since I don't even have them, and if you don't provide a link to this, or get the other person to own up OOCly - or tell us yourself, you are godmodding.

What does the buildup of defenses have anything to do with it?

Secondly, I did not give any of the blueprints from the Katana class away, since I don't even have them, and if you don't provide a link to this, or get the other person to own up OOCly - or tell us yourself, you are godmodding.

Ah, good, that confirms my first gut reaction, BC was making it up...

I'm sure a pair of 122mm cannons are going to help you hold your own against other frigates when you have four SSMs heading your way. This thing can't hold its own against anything, being as it is having no offensive missile capabilities past the range of torpedo or gun, it is so fast for its weight and horsepower that is is quite simply a godmod. I would bet one of my patrol boats against this thing, or a maritime bomber with Shepherds or Lances. Blackhelm, you really need to start thinking before you start designing, mostly about what role it is going to play via what method.

Secondly, I did not give any of the blueprints from the Katana class away, since I don't even have them, and if you don't provide a link to this, or get the other person to own up OOCly - or tell us yourself, you are godmodding.
OOC: Actually I wouldn't be at all surprised if he intended it solely for export..For those nations that lacked the naval know how to see the flaws in the design..

As for the design, itself..Own up, BC, you stole it, without any help, what so ever, as no one could have given you the spec's, other than Asgarnieu himself.

Also, NOBODY, not even a single member or former member of the GASN has purchased or stolen the blueprints to the Katana class.

Blackhelm Confederacy, I do proclaim you are mistaken that anyone gave you the designs to either weapons system.

Whoever gave you those designs gave you intentional forgeries, most likely full of flaws and technical errors, chances are your missiles and ships won't even work...

I swear to God, one of your guys gave me the designs. Out of all of the ships out there, why would I copy the Katana.

OCC: It doesn't matter if Dephire had IC aceses, he probably just Copy and Pasted.

I swear to God, one of your guys gave me the designs. Out of all of the ships out there, why would I copy the Katana.

Then you're godmodding, since none other than Asg has the blueprints ICly. I'm going to stamp an ignore on this and refuse to acknowledge any used against me since you can't possibly be able to copy his design. Nobody has it ICly, so who the hell could give it to you unless Asg sent it himself? Which I highly doubt, btw.

[OOC: This is ridiculous. Just correct the damned stats to stop everyone arguing about them.]

I swear to God, one of your guys gave me the designs. Out of all of the ships out there, why would I copy the Katana.

Then whoever gave you these forged specs clearly wanted you to look like a fool both ICly and OOCly...
Even if it was Dephire...
And sadly, it seems to have worked...

Even if I would not condone such hienus acts of trickery at the expense of a person's reputation. As such equates to slander and libel.

For a paranoid government, you appear to be extremely gullable OOC.
Next time fact check those offers...

Then whoever gave you these forged specs clearly wanted you to look like a fool both ICly and OOCly...
Even if it was Dephire...
And sadly, it seems to have worked...

Even if I would not condone such hienus acts of trickery at the expense of a person's reputation. As such equates to slander and libel.

For a paranoid government, you appear to be extremely gullable OOC.
Next time fact check those offers...

See, for a second, I thought I was duped, then I decided to check things out. Asgarnieu did post his ship exactly as the blueprints were sent to me.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12066910&postcount=1

Anyway, I'll knock down the speed.

That he posted that stuff does not mean you have access to the design IC, anymore than you'd have access to the design of one of Prae or Quester's ships. Further, you most certainly do not have access to the design of my missile and I will be highly displeased if you try and copy it.

That he posted that stuff does not mean you have access to the design IC, anymore than you'd have access to the design of one of Prae or Quester's ships. Further, you most certainly do not have access to the design of my missile and I will be highly displeased if you try and copy it.

Ugh...I didn't just randomly decide to copy shit. Somebody sold me the god damned designs. I never even heard of the Katana before a few days ago.

Ugh...I didn't just randomly decide to copy shit. Somebody sold me the god damned designs. I never even heard of the Katana before a few days ago.

You were duped into infringing on copyright, they simply posted you the advertised specs (which everybody ICly can find) with some fictional blueprints that look very similar, but really don't work, so either you or your source (or both) are infringing on copyright.

Just look at it from our perspective, you are using a design nobody had IC access to...

Whether or not it was spoon fed to you doesn't matter, he either didn't have the design, or is also infringing on copyright.

He claimed to have something he didn't [or wasn't supposed to have], and you bought it.
So you either have an OOC pirated design (a very bad thing) or an empty box (not a good thing).

Either way, you accepted the design given to you as legit when it wasn't.
As now you are being accused of piracy by roughly half the GASN and some non-GASN members...

You really have to be more carefull wen someone tries selling you a design that isn't theirs... (1st red flag) and should report when someone is trying seriously to sell you something they don't have as their own (2nd flag), the third flag is when the original designer TELLS YOU it was not possable that any single nation could legitamately sell you both designs.

I suggest you let this thread close and die and hope this incedent is buried...

Yo, GMCMA! mind closing this thread? Thanks...

How do you know whether or not they bought the design or not? This game is really starting to fucking suck. NS is supposed to be about having fun, not having prics kill every fucking thing you do with OOC bullshit. Its a fucking boat in a fucking game.

And why doesn't anybody say anything to Asgarnieu. If I build it, the whole world finds every flaw in it. Someone else has a boat without missiles and that goes 40knots, and PROHT buys a hundred. What the fuck is up with that?

And I also changed the stats completely, and edited them, so it isn't even near the same boat. So it is not "infringing" on fictional copyrights in a game.

[OOC: The ship is still far too short and displaces much too little.

Just to note, I am nothing to do with the people aruing about copyrights and so forth.]

[OOC: The ship is still far too short and displaces much too little.

Just to note, I am nothing to do with the people aruing about copyrights and so forth.]

OOC: Thank you. How much do you think it should displace?

I fixed it again. Better?

How do you know whether or not they bought the design or not? This game is really starting to fucking suck. NS is supposed to be about having fun, not having prics kill every fucking thing you do with OOC bullshit. Its a fucking boat in a fucking game.

And why doesn't anybody say anything to Asgarnieu. If I build it, the whole world finds every flaw in it. Someone else has a boat without missiles and that goes 40knots, and PROHT buys a hundred. What the fuck is up with that?

His had ASROC, plus, I asked for considerable changes in the ship's armarment, ncluding removal of the rear turret in favor of a helipad and the old ASROC launcher in favor of a massive VLS battery (32 by 64 foot, and 40 feet tall...).

Again, the problem is thus, you are using barely modified designs of someone else without their permission. Whoever gave you the design, didn't have permission or knowhow to produce it, let alone the capacity to legitamately sell the design to you. Traitor he may be, he wuold also be a copyright infringer.

Asgarnieu had a development thead on GASN forums, were it was given considerable scrutiny, as it was originally envisioned to carry four 8" guns in dual turrets, and even fewer provisions for a long range offensive armarment.

Edit:
Okay, so now you no longer infringe on copyright, now all that is left is to find this copyright infringing traitor... Even though, since you aren't using the design, he didn't really use it... Leaving only the Shepard...