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With the attacks by Laqusa on a member of EVIL, EVIL has no choice but to declare war on you for violating the Charter. As we Speak, The Peoples Freedom is deploying the following forces, soon to be followed by additional EVIL forces.

I shall deploy one million assorted troops as well as

6x X-19 Class
3x Atlantis Class Hyper Carrier
1x Conqerer Class Super Carrier
30x Econ Class
30x Ion class
15x Heg Class
6x Petsin Class
20x Squid Class
30x Octopus Class
4x Freedom Class

500 F-29's
200 F-35's
150 B-52's
30 B-5's
10 AWACS
10 Safeguard Countemeasure Aircraft
500 F-29's
200 F-35's
150 B-52's
30 B-5's
10 AWACS
10 Safeguard Countemeasure Aircraft

OOC: Yay!
IC:

Kensington Corporate Headquarters

"Yes!" cried the CEO. "Those whores are going down after what they did!"
The Board cheered.
"Mobilise the troops," his wife, the COO, ordered. "Three hundred thousand troops, eighteen attack groups, and fifteen squadrons of bombers with ten squadrons of fighters. In the mean time, fire two thousand cruise missiles at Laquasa. No nukes. Yet."

With the attacks by Laqusa on a member of EVIL, EVIL has no choice but to declare war on you for violating the Charter. As we Speak, The Peoples Freedom is deploying the following forces, soon to be followed by additional EVIL forces.

I shall deploy one million assorted troops as well as

6x X-19 Class
3x Atlantis Class Hyper Carrier
1x Conqerer Class Super Carrier
30x Econ Class
30x Ion class
15x Heg Class
6x Petsin Class
20x Squid Class
30x Octopus Class
4x Freedom Class

500 F-29's
200 F-35's
150 B-52's
30 B-5's
10 AWACS
10 Safeguard Countemeasure Aircraft
500 F-29's
200 F-35's
150 B-52's
30 B-5's
10 AWACS
10 Safeguard Countemeasure Aircraft

OOC: I'm guessing Laquasa Island finally got into a big enough temper tantrum and attacked British Londinium? This attack wouldn't happen to be blowing up a skyscraper, would it?

OOC: and we begin to fall apart as quickly as we start...

OOC: and we begin to fall apart as quickly as we start...

OCC: Why? This is one member and not the whole Alliance.

OCC: Why? This is one member and not the whole Alliance.

Yea but it starts with this...

[Enough of the blaspheming Anti-EVIL talk. I suggest you get some maps of Laquasa Isle before you invade it.]

Yea but it starts with this...


OCC:At least we all decided we needed to invade him. Anyway, talk on the off-site forums.

"Sir, it seems like we finally have an excuse to invade Laquasa Isle." the Minister of Foreign Relations said.

"Brilliant! Send the whole of the Imperial Navy, Imperial Airforce, Imperial Elite, and Imperial Marines. Oh, and have the Imperial Starnavy ready with to bombard Laquasa from space." Imperial President Teddy Jefferson responded.

"Right, I'll type up the telegram to the EVIL alliance." the Minister of Foreign Relations said.

Official Diplomatic Telegram
To: E.V.I.L. Alliance
From: Nova Brittanica
After hearing about the dreadful attack on a British Londinian skyscraper, by Laquasa Isle, we dedicate our military to the defeat of Laquasa Isle. This attack on the skycraper is made even worse by the fact that it was against our greatest ally. We dedicate all of our Imperial Navy, Imperial Airforce, Imperial Elite, and Imperial Marines to the invasion. Also, we will have our Imperial Starnavy ready to bombard Laquasa Isle.

Emperor Nero sat on his thrown contemplating his next action. Nobles and generals alike stood at attention waiting for their glorious leader to speak. The Emperor's word was law, and he had a number of decisions to render.

The war to defend the Blackhelm Confederacy was coming to a close. Only a handful of Imperial soldiers remained behind to crush the remnants of the dying communist insurgency.

Just a few days prior, the Emperor considered joining the E.V.I.L. Alliance Bloc himself. In the end, Nero wisely decided the price of admission was too great a burden for the Empire to bear. Still, he wanted to maintain good relations with these like-minded states.

The Emperor spoke:

"Terrorism is the tool of cowards and dishonorable men. By attacking our mutual ally in such a manner, this "Laquasa Isle" has demonstrated they are a miserable nation worthy of our pity and contempt.

Assemble the army! There will be war. Laquasa Isle will fall. Their leader will be humiliated and exposed for the pathetic man he really is.

That is not all.

Laquasa Isle is the sort of weakling nation that I would expect to quickly resort to nuclear weapons once their military inevitably proves impotent. Contact our allies. Inform them the Empire will require ABM defense coverage for the next few years.

Those are my desires. See to them immediately."

Regal Naval Base North
Kalid Peninsula
The Burnsian Desert

Families waved one last bid of farewell as the twenty-one Regal-class submersible aircraft carriers left port and disappeared under the indefinate depths of the Tierran Sea. Following them were eighty troop ships and fifty miscellaneous logistics vessels. On each troop ship were 25,000 men of the Burnsian Land Department, Office of the Army.

Total Deployment: 2,000,000 Army; 750,000 Navy, 29,400 Air Force (all personnel)

One Week Later
14 mi off Laqusa Isle

Heavy-payload cruise missiles screamed out from beneath the waves as the Regals unloaded their launch tubes. In all, 630 missiles were fired at hardpoints and selected obstacles along the beachhead. Soon after, the submarines momentarily arose to launch 315 B-2N stealth bombers, which would continue to soften up any resistance with 6,500 lb. bunker-busting bombs and 2,000 lbs. general munitions bombs. The entire process of launching took roughly forty minutes.

One hour later, troopships began deploying soldiers into heavily armored landing craft. 100mm guns on the bows of the ships opened up, sending floating smoke shells, chaff bomblets, and flares toward the beach to cover the inbound forces.

Emperor Nero sat on his thrown contemplating his next action. Nobles and generals alike stood at attention waiting for their glorious leader to speak. The Emperor's word was law, and he had a number of decisions to render.

The war to defend the Blackhelm Confederacy was coming to a close. Only a handful of Imperial soldiers remained behind to crush the remnants of the dying communist insurgency.

Just a few days prior, the Emperor considered joining the E.V.I.L. Alliance Bloc himself. In the end, Nero wisely decided the price of admission was too great a burden for the Empire to bear. Still, he wanted to maintain good relations with these like-minded states.

The Emperor spoke:

"Terrorism is the tool of cowards and dishonorable men. By attacking our mutual ally in such a manner, this "Laquasa Isle" has demonstrated they are a miserable nation worthy of our pity and contempt.

Assemble the army! There will be war. Laquasa Isle will fall. Their leader will be humiliated and exposed for the pathetic man he really is.

That is not all.

Laquasa Isle is the sort of weakling nation that I would expect to quickly resort to nuclear weapons once their military inevitably proves impotent. Contact our allies. Inform them the Empire will require ABM defense coverage for the next few years.

Those are my desires. See to them immediately."

OCC: I'lll quickly move some of my space-based ABM's to protect your nation.

The Latican Army had already loned a massive ammount of manpower to the IEF, and another million where already in ThePeoplesFreedom, and they wondered how they could attack while they're having a civil war being raged. (TPF, this dosn't seem very realistic on your part...)But the Grand Imperial Jimuhn needed expierenced troops and field testing for their tanks, and this was in short supply. The decided to deploy twenty army corps to the war effort.

Total Deployment:
x1,000,000 Ten Corps of Grand Imperial Jimuhn
x7,000 Neo-Panzer II-5D
x14,000 Lang-Panzer I-4C
x50 Tu-160 Strategic Bombers
x100 Su-47 Berkut Fighters

Port Arthor, Eastern Frontier

The word hit receptive ears... the drums of war were beating. Orders from the mainland had ordered a force of 300,000 Legionaires be deployed in a naval assault of Laquasa Island. The soldiers were to be accompanied by some 800 ID-57 MBT's, 700 Kraken II MBT's, 800 C-37 Mountain Breakers and over 1,000 assorted artillery guns. The attack force was quite large, over eighteen SSN's, twenty destroyers, nine overhauled battle ships, six Aircraft Carriers and some twenty massive 'Army Movers'. The force departed the icy port in solemn grimace, no flags, no parades, the snow fell, and so the people trudged to and from work, oblivious to the fact that a third a million men were now off to face death. For what? That was not important. War was a part of life. These men had fought in the Mongol Wars all their lives... and if it had not been for a few well placed nuclear bombs... they still would be to this day.

[QUOTE=Gente Del Agua;12115376]The Latican Army had already loned a massive ammount of manpower to the IEF, and another million where already in ThePeoplesFreedom, and they wondered how they could attack while they're having a civil war being raged. (TPF, this dosn't seem very realistic on your part...)But the Grand Imperial Jimuhn needed expierenced troops and field testing for their tanks, and this was in short supply. The decided to deploy twenty army corps to the war effort.

OCC: Please note that this is a very small rebellion, currently, with only a few sporadic attacks. The Soldiers themselves don't ask questions, they fight because it's there job. They learn that in Basic.

G to the O to the D to the M to the O to the D!!! The attack hasn't been traced. Soooooo,

Your little invasion is being....


Ignored.

OOC: just because our justification is off doesn't mean you can ignore the whole thread. Besides, I already traced it, so...

Oh, and... If you DO try to invade, your fleets will be nuked. Nuking me back won't do much, now that I have the shield. And I have big friends.

Damn you Every Villan Is Lemons!

Oh, and... If you DO try to invade, your fleets will be nuked. Nuking me back won't do much, now that I have the shield. And I have big friends.

Hey bud. We all have the same thing. I can also take down your missile shield. Big Friends? who?

[The attack hasn't been traced? He has a tape of your men cutting wires, then the building exploding. Those little 'Terrorists' running at the building... no, obviously they would not be able to take down a sky scraper. Regardless, we dont need a reason to invade... Hataria just invaded me for absolutely no reason whatsoever. You ignoring this will lead to one thing... you being ignored as an RP'er.]

OOC: Ah, spongebob references. Nice. Ok...we haven't nuked you yet...and almost all of us have ABM systems. And they aren't "shields"; they're falliable.

G to the O to the D to the M to the O to the D!!! The attack hasn't been traced. Soooooo,

Your little invasion is being....


Ignored.

OOC: Actually, it has. Your troops march into the basement*, smear cheese on the camera wires*, let rats out who eat the wires*, and then you plant the charges. You then blow the skyscraper down.

*caught on tape

OR:

Four Ismlamist Terrorists with bombs strapped to their chest manage to make a whole skyscraper collapse.

OOC: If it's sattelites, we use ASAT missiles. Land-based? Bombing, special ops, low flying cruise missiles. As for myself, I have a sattelite that can kinetically fire a nuclear warheads at targets on the ground within 100 feet of accuracy. The warheads are too small to track by radar. And if the attack hasn't been 'traced', I'm invading you to supplement my slave trade. That's EVIL, isn't it?

OOC: If it's sattelites, we use ASAT missiles. Land-based? Bombing, special ops, low flying cruise missiles. As for myself, I have a sattelite that can kinetically fire a nuclear warheads at targets on the ground within 100 feet of accuracy. The warheads are too small to track by radar. And if the attack hasn't been 'traced', I'm invading you to supplement my slave trade. That's EVIL, isn't it?

OOC: THANKS MAN! YOU REMINDED ME OF MY BULSHIVOK!!!!

Hey bud. We all have the same thing. I can also take down your missile shield. Big Friends? who?

British Londinium is a mode. He didn't catch it on film. As for big friends? Yes. Nova Aquaria has Dracun Imperium, who has 5 billion people. I'm pacted with Clandonia. I have many other friends, and anyway NB, BL- they are MODS. I suggest I.G.N.O.R.E. class weapontry. They RP for others, but when it comes time for the other side to strike, they ignore it.

OOC: If it's sattelites, we use ASAT missiles. Land-based? Bombing, special ops, low flying cruise missiles. As for myself, I have a sattelite that can kinetically fire a nuclear warheads at targets on the ground within 100 feet of accuracy. The warheads are too small to track by radar. And if the attack hasn't been 'traced', I'm invading you to supplement my slave trade. That's EVIL, isn't it?

No, it's MODDING, isn't it?

British Londinium is a mode. He didn't catch it on film. As for big friends? Yes. Nova Aquaria has Dracun Imperium, who has 5 billion people. I'm pacted with Clandonia. I have many other friends, and anyway NB, BL- they are MODS. I suggest I.G.N.O.R.E. class weapontry. They RP for others, but when it comes time for the other side to strike, they ignore it.

Clandoina just got pwnt. So he cant help you. Also Im in his alliance. What is a Mod?

Also, who says he doesn't have cameras? It is his skyscraper.

British Londinium is a mode. He didn't catch it on film. As for big friends? Yes. Nova Aquaria has Dracun Imperium, who has 5 billion people. I'm pacted with Clandonia. I have many other friends, and anyway NB, BL- they are MODS. I suggest I.G.N.O.R.E. class weapontry. They RP for others, but when it comes time for the other side to strike, they ignore it.

OOC: No, I just ignore attacks that ruin gameplay. And I specifically ordered cameras to watch your troops. Just shut up and RP it.

No, it's MODDING, isn't it?

Nope. Most nations have anti-sat weapons. Real Life nations have them!

British Londinium is a mode. He didn't catch it on film. As for big friends? Yes. Nova Aquaria has Dracun Imperium, who has 5 billion people. I'm pacted with Clandonia. I have many other friends, and anyway NB, BL- they are MODS. I suggest I.G.N.O.R.E. class weapontry. They RP for others, but when it comes time for the other side to strike, they ignore it.

OOC: Let us all welcome the newest friend of Hataria...

OOC: Let us all welcome the newest friend of Hataria...

OCC: I forgot why people hate him? Enlighten me?

Clandoina just got pwnt. So he cant help you. Also Im in his alliance. What is a Mod?

Also, who says he doesn't have cameras? It is his skyscraper.

Contrar. When he built it, he agreed to MY terms.

OOC: I agreed that my personnel would have light arms and undergo checks. Nothing about cameras.

Contrar. When he built it, he agreed to MY terms.

Contar?

OCC: I forgot why people hate him? Enlighten me?

(Now people only hate him to be cool, pisses me off... at least back then there was a reason)

OOC: I agreed that my personnel would have light arms and undergo checks. Nothing about cameras.

Well actually, if I want to say you didn't, you didn't.

(Now people only hate him to be cool, pisses me off... at least back then there was a reason)

OCC: What was the reason. Oh never mind, dont want to clutter the thread.

OOC: But when I built it, you said nothing about cameras. Too late now. Besides, you can't seriously expect me to not have cameras.

Contar?

A bit of culture. People of your intelligence wouldn't have a very large vocabulary, am I right?

British Londinium is a mode. He didn't catch it on film. As for big friends? Yes. Nova Aquaria has Dracun Imperium, who has 5 billion people. I'm pacted with Clandonia. I have many other friends, and anyway NB, BL- they are MODS. I suggest I.G.N.O.R.E. class weapontry. They RP for others, but when it comes time for the other side to strike, they ignore it.

OOC: Well let's see: British Londinium specifically said he trained his cameras on your troops. And RPing for others is something you love to do. Like when you RPed British Londinian sailers letting you on, and then dropping bio-bombs on his boat. And we only ignore Godmod attacks, like when you tryed to bio-bomb British Londinium. I suggest all nations use Ignore Cannons on him.

A bit of culture. People of your intelligence wouldn't have a very large vocabulary, am I right?

OCC: Dont insult me OCCly, man. That is very bad form. I never got OCCly with you. People dont want to RP with you if you go there.

OOC: Yeah, but you're spelling it wrong. It's contraire, because it's french.

NB, how about we have aclosed war? I would much like to wipe you off the face of the earth.

As for RPing for others, I'll have to dig something up for you. Shouldn't be too hard- considering you and British Londinium are the same person.

OOC: Wow. No, we really aren't. Notice how we are both online at the same time.

(Now people only hate him to be cool, pisses me off... at least back then there was a reason)

OOC: I was there when Cassiopeia was Hatarian-controlled (and I was part of the thread where it was ransacked by the Chronosian-led coalition)...I've got plenty of evidence of my own on Hataria's past.

NB, how about we have aclosed war? I would much like to wipe you off the face of the earth.

As for RPing for others, I'll have to dig something up for you. Shouldn't be too hard- considering you and British Londinium are the same person.

OCC: How about you go one on one with me.

NB, how about we have aclosed war? I would much like to wipe you off the face of the earth.

As for RPing for others, I'll have to dig something up for you. Shouldn't be too hard- considering you and British Londinium are the same person.

OOC: Bah! What did I say, I'm bombarding you with Ignore Cannons. And, give me some evidence that British Londinium and I are the same nation. Can't have to do with the British connection. We RP in a totally different style. I even supported socialist rebels in his nation.

[Laquase, what part of not needing a reason don't you get? We're invading to steal you precious sand! We are invading because we want your bodily fluids! It doesn't damn matter why we invade... the fact of the matter is, we are invading. You either respond, or you're effectively putting an 'IGNORE ME' sticker on yourself. Either fight or negotiate... or go get your big tough allies to do it for you. Enough OOC bitching, less either RP this, or do something.]

OOC: Indeed he did.

OOC: Wow. No, we really aren't. Notice how we are both online at the same time.

You're both mods and are online at the same time.

You're both mods and are online at the same time.

If they were a moderator, it would say that. If that means Godmod, then.. how does that relate them being online?

[Laquase, what part of not needing a reason don't you get? We're invading to steal you precious sand! We are invading because we want your bodily fluids! It doesn't damn matter why we invade... the fact of the matter is, we are invading. You either respond, or you're effectively putting an 'IGNORE ME' sticker on yourself. Either fight or negotiate... or go get your big tough allies to do it for you. Enough OOC bitching, less either RP this, or do something.]

No. You don't just show up on someone's doorstep to invade them. What a mod you are. It's LAQUASA, by the way.

You're both ... online at the same time.

OOC: Wow! Thanks for repeating me.

No. You don't just show up on someone's doorstep to invade them. What a mod you are. It's LAQUASA, by the way.

OOC: I'm tempted to report him for flamebaiting.

No. You don't just show up on someone's doorstep to invade them. What a mod you are. It's LAQUASA, by the way.

Yes you Can. Normally, the good guys come save you from guys like us. Thats why people normally dont do it. Find some allies, and you might win.

OOC: I was there when Cassiopeia was Hatarian-controlled (and I was part of the thread where it was ransacked by the Chronosian-led coalition)...I've got plenty of evidence of my own on Hataria's past.

(So was I, I don't look to the past. Hataria is a decent RPer now, he just has severe grammatical issues O_o)

No. You don't just show up on someone's doorstep to invade them. What a mod you are. It's LAQUASA, by the way.

Not true. Why not? Sure you can. Listen, dude, this is called FREEFORM (Oh! Look! I can do your Caps Lock as well!) for a REASON. If you can't play nice and reasonable (like you're showing), you don't deserve to play at all.
If you can't take responsability for actions, then you won't find many people come calling later.
As for LAQUASA, if you take offense to that, you're really thin-skinned.

OOC: I don't see what the big fuss is about. Wars happen all the time around here. Let us drop the OOC fighting, and settle this in a fair fight. It will take time for our fleets and such to arrive. Laquasa Isle can use that time to call on his friends, then we can have a big scrap. It will be fun.

If you want, I can make a map like this one (http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r145/emperornero06/map2.jpg) that I made for the Fires of Change war.

(So was I, I don't look to the past. Hataria is a decent RPer now, he just has severe grammatical issues O_o)

That's true, with the exception of the verb issue he's certainly improved from what once was.

OOC: I don't see what the big fuss is about. Wars happen all the time around here. Let us drop the OOC fighting, and settle this in a fair fight. It will take time for our fleets and such to arrive. Laquasa Isle can use that time to call on his friends, then we can have a big scrap. It will be fun.

If you want, I can make a map like this one (http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r145/emperornero06/map2.jpg) that I made for the Fires of Change war.

OCC: I totally agree with that!

No. You don't just show up on someone's doorstep to invade them. What a mod you are. It's LAQUASA, by the way.
[Well, have fun RP'ing by yourself for the rest of your time here. Nobody likes people that ignore things for no apperant reason. Lets see what happened. You started a war. Tried to cover it up with some really obvious bullshit. [Any engineering college student could tell you that the blast from a bunch of terrorists and well placed explosives is dramatically different.] And now you say nations cannot invade one another unless you approve? We want your land. You wont let us have it, and are ignoring us for wanting it. That is bad RP. We can, according to all rules and precedents, just invade people.

The word 'mod' is used to refer to the administrative staff of Jolt. I am not one, sorry.

The word 'godmodder' is used to describe people who either ignore casualties, RP enemy casualties, dramatize the effectiveness of their own weapons or finally, ignore enemy attacks without legit reasons. Stop being a coward and take your beating for what you did.]

[Well, have fun RP'ing by yourself for the rest of your time here. Nobody likes people that ignore things for no apperant reason. Lets see what happened. You started a war. Tried to cover it up with some really obvious bullshit. [Any engineering college student could tell you that the blast from a bunch of terrorists and well placed explosives is dramatically different.] And now you say nations cannot invade one another unless you approve? We want your land. You wont let us have it, and are ignoring us for wanting it. That is bad RP. We can, according to all rules and precedents, just invade people.

The word 'mod' is used to refer to the administrative staff of Jolt. I am not one, sorry.

The word 'godmodder' is used to describe people who either ignore casualties, RP enemy casualties, dramatize the effectiveness of their own weapons or finally, ignore enemy attacks without legit reasons. Stop being a coward and take your beating for what you did.]

The only good RPer here is Drexel, and Latica. Everyone else, you lecture me on my form. I've just joined and I know that a decent RP actually TGs their opponent prior to the war. Don't expect me in this thread.

OOC: Not really. We just have to get permission to execute some sort of terror attack.

The only good RPer here is Drexel, and Latica. Everyone else, you lecture me on my form. I've just joined and I know that a decent RP actually TGs their opponent prior to the war. Don't expect me in this thread.

So, you won't RP with anyone but Drexel and Latica?
Good luck with that-one must be open to truly have well-rounded limits (heck, some of the people I RP with...)

OCC: We only lecture you on your form to make it better. Not to bash it. To have an enjoyable and fun experience for all. If you really do not want us to invade you, have one person do it. Also Telegrams are not necessarily needed.Normally you would do ATTN, like on the top of this forum. If you have certain rules, like a closed form, you would do that. And there would be a lot of people backing us up saying we were good Rp'ers.

So, you won't RP with anyone but Drexel and Latica?
Good luck with that-one must be open to truly have well-rounded limits (heck, some of the people I RP with...)

Am I a good RPer?

I hope I'm a good RPer...I like to think that I am.

GDA you're a good RP. If BL wants an invasion, the coward can do it himself.

GDA you're a good RP. If BL wants an invasion, the coward can do it himself.

OCC: Well, we all want an invasion. Can I invade you? I'll go by all your rules.

OOC: Er...I didn't necessarily want an invasion, I just wasn't going to let the opportunity pass.

OOC: I am a firm believer that when it comes to wars everyone should be a willing participant. I also believe that when you go out of your way to provoke someone, you should take your lumps when they come after you.

When my nation had around 40 million people, I went out of my way to provoke Icovir by making fun of his emperor. Sure enough, he invaded me along with Wanderjar and Skgorria. Nobody telegrammed me asking for permission to invade me, but I didn't complain. By going out of my way to provoke them, I effectively waived my right to not fight them. At the time, my defense budget was around $150 billion compared to their tens of trillions.

My rude IC comments towards Icovir are a trivial offense compared to blowing up buildings and attempting bioweapon attacks.

I believe the minor details such as the cameras are moot points. The facts are that you two have had poor relations for a long time. While you two were attempting to make nice, a very expensive building of his was blown up in your territory under suspicious circumstances.

In real life, a similar situation occurred on 9/11. As you no doubt know, the US wasted no time blaming Al Queda, and went to war over it. Then they went to war with Iraq with the flimsiest of evidence linking Iraq to 9/11.

Thus, I consider attacking you to be completely justified.

It's British Londinium that has a problem with me. If he does not invade me I shall invade him.

OOC: I also don't really have a problem with you...I just think you're irritating. Difference.

It's British Londinium that has a problem with me. If he does not invade me I shall invade him.

OCC: If you invade him, then he can have allies. Unless he agrees not to. Also, I have a problem with you, as you attacked an ally. That makes it my problem.

I'll go by your rules and deploy only a limited number of units.

OOC: I am a firm believer that when it comes to wars everyone should be a willing participant. I also believe that when you go out of your way to provoke someone, you should take your lumps when they come after you.

When my nation had around 40 million people, I went out of my way to provoke Icovir by making fun of his emperor. Sure enough, he invaded me along with Wanderjar and Skgorria. Nobody telegrammed me asking for permission to invade me, but I didn't complain. By going out of my way to provoke them, I effectively waived my right to not fight them. At the time, my defense budget was around $150 billion compared to their tens of trillions.

My rude IC comments towards Icovir are a trivial offense compared to blowing up buildings and attempting bioweapon attacks.

I believe the minor details such as the cameras are moot points. The facts are that you two have had poor relations for a long time. While you two were attempting to make nice, a very expensive building of his was blown up in your territory under suspicious circumstances.

In real life, a similar situation occurred on 9/11. As you no doubt know, the US wasted no time blaming Al Queda, and went to war over it. Then they went to war with Iraq with the flimsiest of evidence linking Iraq to 9/11.

Thus, I consider attacking you to be completely justified.

The War on Iraq wasn't exactly well drawn out, thanks to our lovely president.

OOC: He isn't debating that. He's just saying that I don't need firm evidence to go to war.

It's British Londinium that has a problem with me. If he does not invade me I shall invade him.

OOC: Untrue. Ever since he got a corporation in charge you started calling him a terrorist nation and what not.

OOC: He isn't debating that. He's just saying that I don't need firm evidence to go to war.

OCC: which is true. Im sure if you told the SL or GASN of this attack, they would throw a shit fit!

OCC: If you invade him, then he can have allies. Unless he agrees not to. Also, I have a problem with you, as you attacked an ally. That makes it my problem.

I'll go by your rules and deploy only a limited number of units.

That WHOLE thread was supposed to be closed. We talked about it via TG. This is why I'm against this war: the whole reason was to have a closed fight between Me and my ally, probably Cotenshire, and him and British Londinium. This RP was not meant to go there at all. And this is why I refuse to RP it.

That WHOLE thread was supposed to be closed. We talked about it via TG. This is why I'm against this war: the whole reason was to have a closed fight between Me and my ally, probably Cotenshire, and him and British Londinium. This RP was not meant to go there at all. And this is why I refuse to RP it.

OCC: then your refusal is justified. If the thread is closed. Then it is. You never told us that

OOC: No, that was a thread for a planned war that has not, and now will not happen. This is due to an unprovoked attack on my corporate property.

I never agreed to the building thread being closed, therefore it is not closed, therefore this attack is justified.

I was under the impression that it WAS our war thread. You said to kill your Branch Manager. That I did. It was supposedly part of our planned RP.

I was under the impression that it WAS our war thread. You said to kill your Branch Manager. That I did. It was supposedly part of our planned RP.

OCC: you're welcome for informing you about GASN.

I was under the impression that it WAS our war thread. You said to kill your Branch Manager. That I did. It was supposedly part of our planned RP.

OOC: Yet it was open. When the terrorists blew up the World Trade Center, the USA wasn't the only one to retaliate.

OOC: Er...no. I said that if you wanted war, that's what you should do, and that your idea for me to sink a cruise ship was stupid. Furthermore, I told you to arrest him! Arrest!

I was going to anyway, but fine. Thanks. Anyways though, that was supposed to be a closed thread.

OOC: Yet it was open. When the terrorists blew up the World Trade Center, the USA wasn't the only one to retaliate.

There's no "Open" or "Closed" wars in the real world.

Must I bring out the telegrams?

[Shiiit. Twelve posts of force stats and four pages of OOC crap. Okay, look, Laquasa, what you're doing is called roleplay procrastination, or Death by OOC, in which you kill an RP through OOC posts. It's not always intentional. Face it, Laq, EVIL has legitimate reasons and resources to hit you.

Also, nukes? As a rule of thumb on NS, players wait until they're at a population of 200 million before even considering nukes. You, right now, have 153 million. Now, I can accept that you have nukes based on population. But let's put it this way-My defense budget is about ten times stronger than yours. I don't have nukes. I have the technology to get them, but I don't have nukes, and I certainly don't have anti-satellite technology, nor do I have any...Shield (?) against them. Besides, I think you're taking this whole invasion the wrong way. And only nuclear, biological, chemical, and terrorist attacks are TG'd-Invasions can happen at any time for any reason, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it, although planned invasions over OOC channels tend to be more successful.

Also, you're thinking of this as a 'Game Over' when it isn't. Roach-Busters, one of the more well-known nations and better players on NS, was occupied by a foreign alliance for IC YEARS, and continued to be a successful player-Up until he got bored or whatever reason he decided to quit. Hell, he came back within a few months. Being occupied, split, and oppressed isn't the end of the world; it's a roleplay oppertunity. This isn't pure competition, it's competition through cooperation. Just like real politics. And take it from me-This is my third successful nation (Green Sun, Pananab, VotG. The first two died due to RL reasons) and those who know me respect me. I ask that you listen to my words and calm down. Think of the RPing oppertunities in being a puppet and what you can do to get rid of the occupying forces in the future. And to EVERYONE, be patient and start phrasing yourselves in a less hostile manner in OOC. I want to see this war in the Wiki.

Of course, if you don't want a war, things can be arranged to reverse your previous actions that led to the war, and we can forgive you. Unless that's out of the question by the other members of EVIl. Then you're just fucked. ICly I'm an imperialistic, genocidal, xenophobic bastard, but OOCly, I know what I'm talking about.]

[Shiiit. Twelve posts of force stats and four pages of OOC crap. Okay, look, Laquasa, what you're doing is called roleplay procrastination, or Death by OOC, in which you kill an RP through OOC posts. It's not always intentional. Face it, Laq, EVIL has legitimate reasons and resources to hit you.

Also, nukes? As a rule of thumb on NS, players wait until they're at a population of 200 million before even considering nukes. You, right now, have 153 million. Now, I can accept that you have nukes based on population. But let's put it this way-My defense budget is about ten times stronger than yours. I don't have nukes. I have the technology to get them, but I don't have nukes, and I certainly don't have anti-satellite technology, nor do I have any...Shield (?) against them. Besides, I think you're taking this whole invasion the wrong way. And only nuclear, biological, chemical, and terrorist attacks are TG'd-Invasions can happen at any time for any reason, and there's not a damn thing you can do about it, although planned invasions over OOC channels tend to be more successful.

Also, you're thinking of this as a 'Game Over' when it isn't. Roach-Busters, one of the more well-known nations and better players on NS, was occupied by a foreign alliance for IC YEARS, and continued to be a successful player-Up until he got bored or whatever reason he decided to quit. Hell, he came back within a few months. Being occupied, split, and oppressed isn't the end of the world; it's a roleplay oppertunity. This isn't pure competition, it's competition through cooperation. Just like real politics. And take it from me-This is my third successful nation (Green Sun, Pananab, VotG. The first two died due to RL reasons) and those who know me respect me. I ask that you listen to my words and calm down. Think of the RPing oppertunities in being a puppet and what you can do to get rid of the occupying forces in the future. And to EVERYONE, be patient and start phrasing yourselves in a less hostile manner in OOC. I want to see this war in the Wiki.

Of course, if you don't want a war, things can be arranged to reverse your previous actions that led to the war, and we can forgive you. Unless that's out of the question by the other members of EVIl. Then you're just fucked. ICly I'm an imperialistic, genocidal, xenophobic bastard, but OOCly, I know what I'm talking about.]

It was a freaking closed thread.

OOC: Look, I realise that there was going to be a closed war. But this isn't it. You told me that it would be after finals, and never informed me that this was the closed war. Tell me these things, damn it. Had you stated that clearly earlier, then there wouldn't be a problem. But you didn't, therefore it's open.

There's no "Open" or "Closed" wars in the real world.

Must I bring out the telegrams?

OOC: Falkland Islands and War on Terror. Besides, doesn't matter as the whole thing was open.

[The way I see it, this thread is not marked, and therefore it is open. The previous RP may have been closed, but this is a new one. If you want my opinion, we seriously need to discuss how this is going to happen and create a new thread once everything is arranged, and make this the OOC thread.]

OOC: In reality, a nation does not need a reason to attack someone else. Sure, it is considered common courtesy, but it doesn't have to happen. If I wanted to attack your nation because you looked at me in a way I didn't like, I could do that. On the main topic, we are allies, in an alliance. Therefore, any attack on an ally is considered an attack on us. Just as the USA pledged to protect South Korea, just as NATO nations protect NATO nations, it is exactly the same. Another example, the USA wants to attack Iran for propagating terrorist attacks.... does that sound familiar?

[All right, no need to sound condescending. But you do have a point. There doesn't need to be a reason, or at least a legitimate one. But there is legitimate reason here, and there is proof of it. But we've had enough banter. We need to get something done.]

OOC: Laquasa, this thread is fucking open. Get the hell over it.

[Yes, we've established that this was initially open. But now we need to come to terms here.]

OOC: Agreed, didn't mean to sound condescending. I just get a bit frustrated when this crap happens.

OCC: You guys need to tone down the OCC Hostilness. That wont help and the mods will be on us before you know it. Calm down.

OOC: Let's face it. I don't think he'll come around. He'll just keep arguing, and flaming, until we all lose interest.

[I understand, and there's better ways to solve this sort of situations that firing the IGNORE cannons. That just delays the problem, not solves it, and we can negotiate this war into existance through peaceful means.

I know, I just wanted to say that.

Also, I belive you're wrong. If we can all change our OOC positions, we can discuss this like mature people.]

OOC: Sounds good, Laquasa, in your eyes how should we do this correctly?

OOC: As this thread is full of OOC comments (including my own unfortunately), I suggest an OOC thread be created to work out the details followed by a new IC thread without the clutter.

[This one is so full already we might as well continue it here.]

OOC: I wouldn't help him, sometimes you must realise your actions will cultivate into a war. Role Playing is ment to be fun and agreed to be all sides, if you want to make it closed I suggest you create a new thread and limit it to nations of the same size.

Oh and don't use nukes its such a kill joy.

[Where does it say that? I see it says EVIL Retaliates... which means there is an alliance attacking you. It does not say closed. And I dont care how good of an RP'er you believe you are, ive been doing it alot longer... it is true, you can TG a player setting up a war, but by no means is it necessary. If you ignore a war just because you know you will lose, the NS Community then ignores you. You are being a coward by ignoring the war, this OOC bullshiting needs to stop.]

[Where does it say that? I see it says EVIL Retaliates... which means there is an alliance attacking you. It does not say closed. And I dont care how good of an RP'er you believe you are, ive been doing it alot longer... it is true, you can TG a player setting up a war, but by no means is it necessary. If you ignore a war just because you know you will lose, the NS Community then ignores you. You are being a coward by ignoring the war, this OOC bullshiting needs to stop.]

That thread was supposed to lead to a war. Duh. But BL knows I'd kick his ass, so he calls on this alliance here.

I have a good idea. If you guys really can't stand RPing with each other, why bother? It's a fucking game.

Also, here's another rule of thumb. If someone invades you without letting you know about it first, there are a few legitimate reasons to ignore it: 1) You don't have time or ability to participate in the RP. 2) The RP interferes in some pre-existing storyline or another RP you're already participating in, etc. There is a civil way to tell people to fuck off in this case, and you haven't done it, Laquasa Isle.

If you're "ignoring" the RP because you don't want to lose, then you are displaying clear signs of bad RPing and the people prosecuting it have every right to inform you of such, and cease to roleplay with you until you change your tune.

Also, pulling out the "I'm bigger than you!"/"My allies are bigger than you!" card is an example of stupidity and OOC hostility, which tends to ruin war RPs. For instance, if I had an OOC rivalry with longtime enemies of mine such as Doomingsland and The Warmaster, the IC rivalry would degenerate into insults; great wars only stay great because everyone is reasonably friendly towards each other.

And why does everyone make such a big deal about winning or losing? It's just a game.

I have a good idea. If you guys really can't stand RPing with each other, why bother? It's a fucking game.

Also, here's another rule of thumb. If someone invades you without letting you know about it first, there are a few legitimate reasons to ignore it: 1) You don't have time or ability to participate in the RP. 2) The RP interferes in some pre-existing storyline or another RP you're already participating in, etc. There is a civil way to tell people to fuck off in this case, and you haven't done it, Laquasa Isle.

If you're "ignoring" the RP because you don't want to lose, then you are displaying clear signs of bad RPing and the people prosecuting it have every right to inform you of such, and cease to roleplay with you until you change your tune.

Also, pulling out the "I'm bigger than you!"/"My allies are bigger than you!" card is an example of stupidity and OOC hostility, which tends to ruin war RPs. For instance, if I had an OOC rivalry with longtime enemies of mine such as Doomingsland and The Warmaster, the IC rivalry would degenerate into insults; great wars only stay great because everyone is reasonably friendly towards each other.

And why does everyone make such a big deal about winning or losing? It's just a game.

OOC: Amen.

And holy shit. I haven't seen this kind of flaming since FWS and CM were around... everyone needs to calm down here. I've been playing for a good... almost two years, now. During that time, I've realized that there is no way to 'win' NS. There is no way to 'beat' it. The point of NS is to RP, to have fun, to get all that frustration that you develop in your daily life out by (ICly) breaking someone's skull with the butt of your rifle. When this sort of flaming happens, it just ruins it. Since Laquasa's pissed, we probably won't be able to have a good RP now. Trust me, when I was starting out, I played like that too. Impulsive, angry, w/e. But then, I started looking around at other topics, seeing what people like ViZion, Automagfreek, Communist Louisiana were writing. They weren't trying to win, they weren't trying to get a high score or whatever, they were just having fun. This OOC-bashing and flamebaiting and all this other stuff just ruins it. For everyone.

So let's just start fresh, here, and we'll try to figure this out. The objective of EVIL is...?

That thread was supposed to lead to a war. Duh. But BL knows I'd kick his ass, so he calls on this alliance here.

OOC: Note: I didn't make the thread. I just wanted you kicked out of EVIL.

[Yeah, this has gotten out-of-hand. Right now we're bickering over OOC politics instead of the IC politics our leaders should be throwing around. Laq, if you want a closed war that badly, all you have to do is ask. Because right now, EVIL's participation in this RP is hindering my efforts for another, and I now see that selflessness isn't going to get ME jack shit. So I ask you guys to settle SOMETHING so we can all get on with this.]

OFFICIAL IMPERIAL PROCLIMATION
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TO: National Leaderships, All Nations Involved
FROM: Mr. Larry Williams, Minister of Foreign Affairs
RE: Asking for help in GASN Thread

As it comes to my attention, this war is only because of a 'Terrorist Attack' up on a nation by the naiton being assaulted here. Thus this here war is for justified reasons and not an assault on a nations soverignty. So I have been ordered to make the following announcment on behalf of Supreme Emperor George A. Loak of the Dark Empire of Shazbotdom.

'We, the people of the dark empire, herby deny any assistance requested by the Nation of Laquasa Isle in the defence of their homeland after they illegally assaulted a nation. If they wish aid, find some other sucker to defend your ass from nations who's only crime is defending their ally.'



That WHOLE thread was supposed to be closed. We talked about it via TG. This is why I'm against this war: the whole reason was to have a closed fight between Me and my ally, probably Cotenshire, and him and British Londinium. This RP was not meant to go there at all. And this is why I refuse to RP it.

OOC:
Do you really think that you could assault someone and not get assaulted back by their allies? Think about this type of stuff before you act in the future.

[When all else fails, call in Shazbotdom.]

Actually I didn't attack BL. He has a new gov't. I attacked an evil corporation/militia based in his country, in a skyscraper in MY nation.

And it was retalitory, we were in the middle of a conflict with BL in a little nation called Jihad.

OOC: An attack on my former government still counts as an attack on my government. I'm making a new war thread.

It better be closed.

It better be closed.

OOC: Why? So you can be beat harder? You're welcome to bring in all of your alliances...

Well, seeing as I don't join every new one as they come out, and this whole war was to be originnally between me and an ally of choice and you and Nova Brittanica. By the way, are you two brothers are something? You're up late, if you're in london.

Well, seeing as I don't join every new one as they come out, and this whole war was to be originnally between me and an ally of choice and you and Nova Brittanica. By the way, are you two brothers are something? You're up late, if you're in london.
Ha! You dont join every alliance that comes out!? Joined EVIL, got kicked out. Got denied by the CA, GASN... you're right, you dont join every alliance to come out... because no one will let you in.

OOC: I have odd sleeping habits. And I've never met Nova Brittanica. And I'm only in two alliances.

Okay. Just curious. This whole thing was originally closed, that's what I agreed to, so please just make it closed to avoid this big mess again.

Ha! You dont join every alliance that comes out!? Joined EVIL, got kicked out. Got denied by the CA, GASN... you're right, you dont join every alliance to come out... because no one will let you in.

Someone got denied from the CA?

Why is it suddenly cold in here...:eek:

OOC: Laquasa is trying to play you for a chump. He just pulled an island out of his arse for the express purpose of selling it for trillions of dollars to finance his military (essentially bringing the financial resources of a much larger nation into the fight on his side).

If you are going to fight him in a closed war, I suggest you pull an equally impressive island out of your arse, so you may also sell it for a large sum of money.

Well, seeing as I don't join every new one as they come out, and this whole war was to be originnally between me and an ally of choice and you and Nova Brittanica. By the way, are you two brothers are something? You're up late, if you're in london.

OOC: Ha! He knows alot more about the Brits then I do. I'm just a mere Idahoan/American. *mutters about stupid revolution* Now that that's cleared up, this war really has nothing to do with that war. Hell, we're invading you because we want all that money you got from selling you Galation-esque island, or because we want your precious sand, or something.

Your national leadership (ICly) has ego issues. Not you personally though.

OOC: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=512040 - new thread

Why can't you just follow the terms I agreed to?


Originally, I thought it would be more offensive to blow up your building than arrest your guy. That was supposed to lead to the other thread, the CLOSED war. Please follow accepted storyline, and go from there!!!!!!

OOC: For the last time, I don't need to make it closed. I'm now invading you over the sale of your island, so all bets are off. RP the war already.

OOC: For the last time, I don't need to make it closed. I'm now invading you over the sale of your island, so all bets are off. RP the war already.

No.

The only way you'd be offended by the sale of the isle was if I attacked you.

I attacked you to initiate what I thought would be the CLOSED thread we agreed to.

Therefor, if you want to have fun and have an RP, please use agreeable terms. This really isn't fun, at all.

No.

The only way you'd be offended by the sale of the isle was if I attacked you.

I attacked you to initiate what I thought would be the CLOSED thread we agreed to.

Therefor, if you want to have fun and have an RP, please use agreeable terms. This really isn't fun, at all.

OOC: Fine. The reason he invaded you is because he wanted your crabs. You don't frickin need a reason to invade somebody!

OOC: Fine. The reason he invaded you is because he wanted your crabs. You don't frickin need a reason to invade somebody!

You will find that you do. Nations don't invade others for no reason. I consider it a godmod.

do you know what godmod means at least?

OOC: Dude. I have a reason. I want your land, your money, and your hideous wife. There.

Fine, I'll RP. But if anyone outside You, me, NB, and my ally (which shall be either Cotenshire, Nova Aquaria, or Whyatica), any other posts shall be ignored.

No, it's OPEN. Get over it. Why do you insist on it being closed? This is no longer about the skyscraper, so "what you agreed to" is irrelevant!

Oh no, there's be no war without the skyscraper. This really isn't very fun. So accept my terms that were agreed on or don't expect an RP.

Look, either you RP now, or you get ignored by the entirety of NS. The only agreement I'll make is no WMD.

Oh no, there's be no war without the skyscraper. This really isn't very fun. So accept my terms that were agreed on or don't expect an RP.

OOC: I've decided to never RP with you after this again. BL wants your land. GET OVER THE STUPID SKYSCRAPER!

Have you ever even had a war before?

[Laquasa, I must say, you really go to the extremes to avoid RP'ing... why exactly do you post on an RP board if you dont want to RP?]

Have you ever even had a war before?

OOC: Me? Yes. I've had a Civil War, gone out in foreign wars alot, been invaded, and now I'm invading you.

Because, I don't like doing stupid RPs that haven't been agreed on, or that I don't really want to fight.

[That you agree to? My my... you have no idea how NS RP works... you dont agree to be invaded... when a nation invades you, you respond IC'lly, whether you wanted to be invaded or not. Thats just how it works. If you have a legit reason not to RP it, which you dont, then fine... but this is just sad.]

[I tried. I really did. You guys say I didn't try to get him to listen. But does anyone ever listen to me? Nooooo. So unless something happens, I'm simply ignoring this entire damn thing.]

If Laquasa Isle keeps threatening how powerful his military is I may have to step in and destroy him as I spend over a trillion on defence so pwnt.