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Ok, this is the OOC thread for here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=511198).

@Clandonia: The nuclear thing is a bit of propaganda to garner support, the most obvious reason is that you've been using Gholgoth and ACTO as a shield for you when your saber rattling with the UCN or other communist nations go to far, also 'your biological attack against tocrowkia'. We view a nation that does this as a threat to their own people's survival, and peace in the international community, and label their government for replacement/destruction. (Also on our list is most UCN nations)

Also, you have land, everyone wants land, now whether or not you activate those 100 Megaton mines (would if you did would result in the utter glassing of your nation) you're either gonna lose your land, or irrradiate it for dozens of years.

I am however surprised no one has actively come to your defence.

If you have a map please post it. :)

Darn. Semi-closedness means I can't use my usual tactic of telling Clandonia that if he starts tossing nukes around, I'll answer in full force. But then, you guys seem to have that pretty much under control. I guess I'll settle for an IC denouncement of Clandonia Prime, and chronicling any openly known war crimes by him for my collection.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/madnukedude/ClandoniaMap.png

Teh mappage, so what is your actual aim just regime change or empire building?

Well, empire building under the guise of a regime change mostly.

Where are my allies when I need them come on Trans!

Where are my allies when I need them come on Trans!

If I were you, I'd make a formal request for aid on the Dominion Commonwealth forums, just to make sure everyone knows about this.

If I were you, I'd make a formal request for aid on the Dominion Commonwealth forums, just to make sure everyone knows about this.

I already have, are you going to help me as I know you lurk as one of your puppets there.

I already have, are you going to help me as I know you lurk as one of your puppets there.

Well, you posted....

OK, I'm getting invaded and I think my apendix is inflamed this much excitement on in one evening wow!

I meant actually ask him to defend you, with a link and all. As I said on the forum, if the Lord Marshall requests it, Kologk shall come to your aid.

Lol last night, that was fun going to hospital at 2 am, ok just posted on the DC forum.

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Lawl.

CP, the only way we could be more opposite ICly is if I were a scummy commie. :p Other than that, there's no possible way our nations could be more opposite. Now, why would I help you?

I'll just be making a post later saying "please respect my territorial boundaries just as I would respect your own" (the green patch to the south, btw) and I'll be merrily moving along my way. Although I'll keep a close eye on the situation.

Good luck, CP. :)

Noooooo crave traitor of the Golden Triangle!

Traitor? XD Hell, I invaded a fellow Golden Triangle nation once. There's no pact binding all GT nations together, you know.

Traitor? XD Hell, I invaded a fellow Golden Triangle nation once. There's no pact binding all GT nations together, you know.

I thought we had a no war on each other thingy?

Clandonia: Just remember Legolas' proverb if this war gets you down.

I'm a pretty-boy elf with tons of rabid fangirls, so don't f*** with me?

Ok, this is the OOC thread for here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=511198).

@Clandonia: The nuclear thing is a bit of propaganda to garner support, the most obvious reason is that you've been using Gholgoth and ACTO as a shield for you when your saber rattling with the UCN or other communist nations go to far


For the record, Clandonia is not under the protection of Gholgoth, and any claims by him are simply false.

For the record, Clandonia is not under the protection of Gholgoth, and any claims by him are simply false.

Yes yes, you've said that before, we (all of us hopefully) know, just that ICly his government keeps saying 'gholgoth this, gholgth that'.

For the record, Clandonia is not under the protection of Gholgoth, and any claims by him are simply false.

Well, considering Transylvania kicked him out of his Commonwealth, even if being in the Commonwealth had entitled him to Gholgoth's protection, (which, to be perfectly far, JWolf did use for advertising purposes) he wouldn't have it now.

Can I get in on the invasion of CP? I've been waiting a long time for him to leave DC.

Can I get in on the invasion of CP? I've been waiting a long time for him to leave DC.

It's semi-closed, you can post new posts, but if you want a piece of CP you're gonna get a flat refusal before he surrenders, and after he does if you try to take a piece expect to get pwnt.

For the record, Clandonia is not under the protection of Gholgoth, and any claims by him are simply false.

Yup, I just added that to get members. I’m sorry. Plus, he doesn’t have my protection anymore.

Yes yes, you've said that before, we (all of us hopefully) know, just that ICly his government keeps saying 'gholgoth this, gholgth that'.

That’s one of the reasons I kicked him out. He used me as a shield to much. I feel used.

You did sort of publicise it that you were under the Dominions protection...

Anyway, the surrender post will be done today as I know oocly what you said, and it dosn't sound a bad deal as I thought you were communists but it turned out you were capitalists.

Despite being "capitalists", we will likely administer rather harsh surrender terms (after all, we can have you do pretty much whatever we want, you're outnumbered and outgunned, and if you don't accept the terms of our treaty we can threaten to prosecute the war further). For instance, the Imperium Corporation got involved in this in order to gain valuable resources, including land, money, and "human resources" (i.e. more workers) -- to a total amount that will counter the costs of deploying forces. In effect, we'll ensure that Clandonia Prime no longer exists as a country, most likely by splitting it up amongst ourselves.

Just be forewarned that the terms of any treaty we make will not be very light.

I will ignore you if you start getting magical corporations involved, I'm sure the Soverign League won't like that either. As I was never told in advance or asked about this so I have the full right to ignore it.

"Magical corporations"? I've been the Imperium Corporation since long before the start of this thread... and how my "nation" is supposed to work is described here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12090109&postcount=16).

Also, the Sovereign League intends to do the same thing, if not quite so overtly. In NS, no-one's figurative hands are clean. :P

Yes but you didn't inform me of this. And your defending Allena? WTF I was helping him and you invade me, gosh that was a sensible idea invade your allies...

...We just did. TSS hinted at it before as well, with his
Well, empire building under the guise of a regime change mostly.
Plus, it makes sense that if we overwhelmingly defeat a nation, we'd occupy it until "stability" has been restored (and probably attempt to install a favourable government while we're at it). People do that all the time in the real world. Look at Iraq.

You can, of course, try to bring in some diplomatic titans to put political pressure on us not to take over your country. You can try to find someone who really doesn't like the Sovereign League to intercede and prevent Clandonia from being split up among the Northeast Haven powers. Unfortunately, I fear you've alienated a lot of those potential diplomatic allies by your past actions.

Reap what you sow.

And your defending Allena? WTF I was helping him and you invade me, gosh that was a sensible idea invade your allies...
I'm not defending Allanea, actually. I ran out of time and withdrew from that RP. Even if I were, I still may well have done this invasion, because after all I am a private military corporation, and we work for whatever would get us more as a result.

You did sort of publicise it that you were under the Dominions protection...

Well, you were not loyal to me to really get that protection. Two reasons why you were not loyal. You joined the CA in which their founder nuked you and I told all Commonwealth members to not join it. Another reason, your slaves going to help my enemy of the Kraven Corporation. Add the Nova Europan things, you have many bad things on your ICly record with me.

OOCly, I hope we can still be friends.

...We just did. TSS hinted at it before as well, with his.

But good role-players ask through tele-grams over just making a IC post on II.

But good role-players ask through tele-grams over just making a IC post on II.

that was an OOC post.... <.< Equivalent of a telegram, I guess. Not as private, but still a source of information before actually going and IC posting "These are our demands".


And as a side note, since most of the nations who may occupy Clandonia are fairly liberal and democratic, it won't all be awful for your citizens. Just those unfortunate enough to live in my zone. :p

that was an OOC post.... <.< Equivalent of a telegram, I guess. Not as private, but still a source of information before actually going and IC posting "These are our demands".

But this came after the thread was posted. See where I’m going to?

Technically, I never TGed him about the thread either, we (S&T, Whyatica, ZMI and Velkya (who both still needs to posty :P)) were always gonna split up the country into zones, with all of the zones (Except for S&T's zone which would be left to him to police) under the control of a jointly run military government for a while.

We still however have to decide what to do with Clandonia Prime's Colonies.

Technically, I never TGed him about the thread either, we (S&T, Whyatica, ZMI and Velkya (who both still needs to posty :P)) were always gonna split up the country into zones, with all of the zones (Except for S&T's zone which would be left to him to police) under the control of a jointly run military government for a while.

We still however have to decide what to do with Clandonia Prime's Colonies.

They are still under the control of their respective set up governments after the democratic reforms bought under my former leader.

Sorry to say, but we only want unconditional surrender. But I think I'll let Whyatica respond to your plea for us to stop.

Technically, I never TGed him about the thread either.

For this to work better, you should have tele-gram him and ask him if he wanted to go along with this. Role-play that are done this way are never really that good because one side will get mad and ignore the whole thing.

TWSP, please stop posting OOC crap in the war thread or I report your posts to a moderator. Delete them now.

TWSP, please stop posting OOC crap in the war thread or I report your posts to a moderator. Delete them now.

What? I've only made one OOC post, the other one was an IC message to the world.

What? I've only made one OOC post, the other one was an IC message to the world.

There is an ooc thread for a reason.

Ok, then, changing my post from there to here:

"OOC: Actually Tis' thread is a bit rude, seeing how it was me, the UCN and NEA, the ones that had to oppose and combat Clandonia all this time before you realized how much of a threat was he."

Not our fault you weren't able to conquer a pesky nation half your size. *shrug*

Not our fault you weren't able to conquer a pesky nation half your size. *shrug*

Which has +5000 nukes...

Which as none of have been launched you can see. It's all about the strategy, but one thing is true, we're not commie, you are, that's gonna make a big difference in his strategy.

Which has +5000 nukes...

Not our fault you weren't able to conquer a pesky nation half your size. *shrug*

You both would do well to remember Blofeld's proverb.

Blofeld: Siamese fighting fish, fascinating creatures. Brave but of the whole stupid. Yes they're stupid. Except for the occasional one such as we have here who lets the other two fight. While he waits. Waits until the survivor is so exhausted that he cannot defend himself, and then like SPECTRE(Or UCN in this case)... he strikes!

Which as none of have been launched you can see. It's all about the strategy, but one thing is true, we're not commie, you are, that's gonna make a big difference in his strategy.

Well, excuse me for not getting several nations well over 3 or 4 times his size support my taking of his land, besides, I might be a commie, but I have no intention of pressing my beliefs or goverment into others.

You both would do well to remember Blofeld's proverb.

It doesn't matter much in this case, considering there is not two fishes going 1v1, but rather 4 strong fishes, which other friendly fishies (APOC/ACTO/SL) nearby ready to strike, against a small weakish fish, with a group of small fish(UCN) waiting to spring.

It doesn't matter much in this case, considering there is not two fishes going 1v1, but rather 4 strong fishes, which other friendly fishies (APOC/ACTO/SL) nearby ready to strike, against a small weakish fish, with a group of small fish(UCN) waiting to spring.

I'm no small fish. I'm more akin to a shark.

Not really, compared to most APOC/SL nations you're a largish fish (just under 1.4m bigger then me), while most of the UCN is smallish fish.

Not really, compared to most APOC/SL nations you're a largish fish (just under 1.4m bigger then me), while most of the UCN is smallish fish.

*Shrug*

You have your buddies, I have mine. And not all of them are in the UCN.

Whyatica, you need to address my message for your attack on Clandonia’s space station. It was a joint operation with me and Clandonia, he designed it and I paid for it. I had military personal and civilians on it running tests. So, you killed them in your attack and did a crime against humanity as you killed civillians.

I don't /have/ to do anything, but I will respond to it in my next IC post.

Yes, I know you don’t have to do anything, but it would be nice. And thanks, I hope.

I'll post something about corporate acceptance of the terms and move in my troops and stuff, most likely tomorrow.

Whyatica, I don’t have MSN. You caused this for yourself, the space station has been a joint with Clandonia and me after it was finished. Ask Clandonia about it. You would have not targeted it as it had more markings of another nation (The Dominion) then of the nation you are at war with. Plus, your guy was a punk to the Count. Was that your leader, who took him to get bent?

As I don’t want to go into Haven and watch as your countless region mates attack my ships, I’m going to attack colonies and your space assets. Can you please give me all the info on your colonies? Thanks.

Plus, do you still have your Middle East? You did back during the Kraven thing.

Guys, do we really need to have an OOC fight? UCN has no interest in CP anymore, and we hardly did before. We just wanted him to shut the hell up. It wasn't worth sending in all the troops, etc. Besides, ACTO and all the other anti-communist alliances want to find a reason to fight with us.

I honestly couldn't care less about the boasting and such. You don't think the UCN can wield any power? Good for you. We'll see if that holds true IC.

Guys, do we really need to have an OOC fight? UCN has no interest in CP anymore, and we hardly did before. We just wanted him to shut the hell up. It wasn't worth sending in all the troops, etc. Besides, ACTO and all the other anti-communist alliances want to find a reason to fight with us.

I honestly couldn't care less about the boasting and such. You don't think the UCN can wield any power? Good for you. We'll see if that holds true IC.

It's not about the UCN, it is about them wanting more lands.

It's not about the UCN, it is about them wanting more lands.

If they want to try something, they can. I don't worry so much.

UCN is just a good thing to have around, the CP citizens are already scared of the commies, and what better way to win them over then to tell them we're here to protect them from a potential communist invasion, it's nothing more then IC propoganda.

Transy: The only colony whyatica has would be a joint thing with me/velkya/space union and aralonia after we 'liberated' a nation of lesbians from invading nations.

Other then that he's all in Haven, and I know for a fact that he's ignored his Kraven days.

So when will the elections occur?

Not until the Clandonia Corp. and Griffencrest are out of the country and there is peace.

Transy: The only colony whyatica has would be a joint thing with me/velkya/space union and aralonia after we 'liberated' a nation of lesbians from invading nations.

Other then that he's all in Haven, and I know for a fact that he's ignored his Kraven days.

First off, it’s Trans not whatever you said as it isn’t a word.

Secondly, I was talking to Whyatica not you.

Lastly, I still think he has land in Irathria as I have the map saved on my home computer.

Eh, in your sig it said 'The short version of my name would be 'Trans or Transy'.

I choose to call you by Transy. *shrug*

First off, it’s Trans not whatever you said as it isn’t a word.

Ah, young grasshopper, but does it matter?

Ah, young grasshopper, but does it matter?

Yup, I like words that are correct.

My sig said that? Well whatever, I need to edit that out then as I like words that are correct. But it does say ‘But call me Trans or JWolf only’

UCN is just a good thing to have around, the CP citizens are already scared of the commies, and what better way to win them over then to tell them we're here to protect them from a potential communist invasion, it's nothing more then IC propoganda.


And we all love that :p, just check the whole "OMFG TWSP BOMBED US" and "ACTO USED ANTHRAX ON US" threads.

Twas' fun.

Whyatica, I don’t have MSN. You caused this for yourself, the space station has been a joint with Clandonia and me after it was finished. Ask Clandonia about it. You would have not targeted it as it had more markings of another nation (The Dominion) then of the nation you are at war with. Plus, your guy was a punk to the Count. Was that your leader, who took him to get bent?

As I don’t want to go into Haven and watch as your countless region mates attack my ships, I’m going to attack colonies and your space assets. Can you please give me all the info on your colonies? Thanks.

Plus, do you still have your Middle East? You did back during the Kraven thing.

Okay. A) Get MSN or AIM or some other method of instant communications.

B) I don't care about the space station.

C) The leader told you to get bent. He really can't care less about your nation.

D) Colonies - I have a colony in Irathria, my former Kraven territories, my current mainland in Haven, the Lesbian Island, and various and sundry tiny islands in Haven.

Therefore, having consulted with Lord Reaver Dayne the Evenstar of Pantera, I hereby banish The Transylvania from the Gholgoth alliance.

Hawt damn!

This is somewhat good news for my guys (ICily speaking)

Whyatica, my message to Transylvania was SIC. Look at the top of my post.

Whyatica, my message to Transylvania was SIC. Look at the top of my post.

Whoops. Didn't notice - editing now.

So trans got kicked out of Ghologth wow...

As a forewarning...

...The sheer amount of countermeasures will surely be enough to destroy all of the cruise missiles....
...Eighty whatever missiles plunge out of the sky to obliterate all of the launchers...
^ I'm not stating losses here, merely stating the expected outcome. If all of your launchers come with CIWS systems, anti-missile lasers, and Star Trek-esque shielding devices that can only be defeated with phasers, we don't know about them, so we expect the launchers to be destroyed.

As a forewarning...

^ I'm not stating losses here, merely stating the expected outcome. If all of your launchers come with CIWS systems, anti-missile lasers, and Star Trek-esque shielding devices that can only be defeated with phasers, we don't know about them, so we expect the launchers to be destroyed.

I am not a big fan of Clandonia Prime. However, if I were one of four or five nations attacking a tiny one, I wouldn't be stingy with the damage while expecting my own attacks to be uber effective. The guy just shot 160 missiles at you. The least you could do is allow a handful of your ships to take minor damage.

I suspect he would be happy to have a reason to ignore your invasion. I wouldn't go around acting like you expect to conquer his nation without taking any casualties.

Once again, I alone have over a thousand ships here. Eighty ships, with adequate defenses, could shrug off 160 missiles with no casualties. Aside from that, the missiles are traveling so close to the sea that it's likely many of them will simply crash into an exceptionally high wave, or malfunction due to seawater, etc. If Clandonia launched a larger attack, one that would be more difficult to counter, I would almost certainly take losses. Clandonia's making it really difficult for me, posting so few attacks. :p

Steel: Actually, they wouldn't, 2m is over 6 feet, far enough over the clam water that is around the bay, and he did say 2m from the water, he could mean 2m from the surface of the wave crests though.

After saying that, the Italians have a DART round that is capable of engaging sea-skimmers directly, at an altitude >2m. So, there are countermeasures. ;)

So trans got kicked out of Ghologth wow...

Not really as I still have people in my land and told AMF I wasn’t leaving that land. And I trying to talk him into have a one-on-one fight between Dreadfire and the Count that will handle this problem. As if I leave now, the Count will see this as a huge betrayal between brothers. Dreadfire has done things like I have done a hundred times. *See what happen in Kraven’s old homeland*

Nuke a whole land because the people were attacking you. They were rebels, in which that is their job.

Elections soon?