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NS politics as seen by His Majesty's Government:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v387/Praetonia/NSpolitics3.png

A highly scientific diagram.

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/5188/bdayfv5.png
Fixed. :)

You forgot CAD. >.>

How could I forget?

Questers is a member of both the Sovereign League and the GASN, meaning that he opposes Gholgoth and also wishes to be a puppet of the same. Gholgoth and the UNC both oppose the Corporate Alliance, which would make them brothers in arms, yet Questers founded the ACTO.
Does Matt have any strange issues I need to know about?

Questers refused to honor the GASN/Gholgoth MDP, and he's much more SL then anything else, including ACTO.

Aye, Matt doesnt recognise the GASN-Gholgoth pact, and his alliances are listed in order in his sig, with SL being above all the others, except for the IT (which only three people know about >_>).

CAD is pro-ACTO, actualy...

Fine, I'll change it. But I'm not putting CAD in like a normal alliance because then I will have to redraw everything and move things and do new arrows and I'm just too lazy for all that.

Nice one (thats cleared up a lot of things)

That is proberly one of the most destructive, delicate and volitile mapping of an alliance system since world war one!

The Farminan Department for Foreign Affairs would have drawn it like this. (http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/Farmina/NSpolitics4.png)
Why?
Answer (whited): Because Farmina believes it is above petty alliance politics.

Well obviously. It wouldn't, say, not make references to Praetonian ministries or write its country's name inside the border or in the same font as the rest of the writing. Oh no, nothing like that.

Farminan bureaucrats have been known to plagiarism. After all no one actually looks at their memorandums; they just get put in a pile which their superiors them place in the "to be looked at in the ‘near’ future" pile.

I don’t know if you missed the explanation in white text (the diagram is a lateral joke).

Oh right I see now, lol. It seemed a bit strange without that.

Perhaps I should make it more obvious that there is hidden text.

You for got The Imperial Confederacy

Praetonia, you speak the truth, sir. :D

Hataria, I'm not sure how much effect the Imperial Confederacy has had on the world lately.

You for got The Imperial Confederacy
Who cares?

[*chuckles* Nice to see NS developing a sense of political humor. The chart's a bit simplistic and not entirely correct, but I can't expect a joke to worry about details.]

[OOC: The Big Three (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Big_Three)? Unimportant? LOL! Hamptonshire, Oceania (AKA Azazia) and Pacitalia, are useless and unimportant to the overall global community? Well, maybe not to the Crown Commonwealth of Praetonia and its interests, but to others, that would be a different story. Oh, and SS, BTW, I do agree with you...nice to see that NationStates is developing some more political humor.]

It's mostly a joke, but the Big Three doesn't appear to interact with the other alliances at all, so even if I put it in properly I'm not sure where to draw the lines...

don't GASN hate CA

This should be part of the stickies. :)

You forgot the GDI, they are quite important.

First off:


The GASN does not want to be a puppet of Gholgoth. As a member, I can safely tell you that this is the last thing we want. AMF approached us about a mutual defense pact, which we gladly accepted, but a puppet? No.


Second:


Otherwise, you're pretty good dude. I'd stickie it. :)

Don't try, WJ. I gave it up months ago. =P

Can't we all just be friends? ='(

You do know this is meant to be humor, and soley from the view of the Praetonian government. Whether or not GASN actually wants to be puppets of AMF is irrvelevant.

You do know this is meant to be humor, and soley from the view of the Praetonian government. Whether or not GASN actually wants to be puppets of AMF is irrvelevant.
What he said.

Poor Commies everyone hates them, am I the only nation seeking friendly relations with Communist nations out there?

You do know this is meant to be humor, and soley from the view of the Praetonian government. Whether or not GASN actually wants to be puppets of AMF is irrvelevant.

Thanks, Captain Obvious. ;D

I was thinking more along the lines of public opinion:

http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aaaaiq5.png

I was thinking more along the lines of public opinion:

http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aaaaiq5.png

ROFL!!!!!!!!

I was thinking more along the lines of public opinion:

http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aaaaiq5.png

LMAO

And yes, this is a joke and its not meant to be any kind of serious political judgement on NationStates. SEA, your post bumming the Big Three was totally uneccessary and only added to the "lol wut dis is nt how it is!!1"

I was thinking more along the lines of public opinion:

http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aaaaiq5.png

Pwnage, would be nice to see some other alliances on there. ;)

*coughhatariacoughUCNcough*

Pwnage, would be nice to see some other alliances on there. ;)

*coughhatariacoughUCNcough*

You had better stop insulting me and my alliance, or else I may just send a few hundred thousand nukes your way in the Clandonia war. Or report you to the mods.

im in ur thread flaming ur alliances

I was thinking more along the lines of public opinion:

http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aaaaiq5.png

Lmfao, that's gold!

You had better stop insulting me and my alliance, or else I may just send a few hundred thousand nukes your way in the Clandonia war. Or report you to the mods.

I didn't say you were stupid did I? Hell, I'd put you nar the brilliant/sensible end, you've managed to gain many allies and still not officially get involved in a war, much more then I can say for GASN/CA/Hataria and even the SL or Gholgoth.

Hataria mean while, is well, hataria.

Hahahahhaa

It is overexcentuated, of course, but the premis remains. I think ill add some more, polish it up, and stick it in my siggy.

I didn't say you were stupid did I? Hell, I'd put you nar the brilliant/sensible end, you've managed to gain many allies and still not officially get involved in a war, much more then I can say for GASN/CA/Hataria and even the SL or Gholgoth.

Hataria mean while, is well, hataria.


A rather inaccurate statement concerning Gholgoth if I've ever seen one. Last time I glanced, we don't exactly go around picking or instigating fights.

A rather inaccurate statement concerning Gholgoth if I've ever seen one. Last time I glanced, we don't exactly go around picking or instigating fights.

It's more of picking on Transylvannia for choosing some imcompetant nations as commonwealths and then being used as a shield in conflicts, and and even transy swings Gholgoth around like a big stick/shield.

Such an inaccurate map. I'm nowhere to be seen on there, and I'm far more important than you lot, obviously.*










*[What? Everyone else is throwing their egos around. Might as well get noticed...]

and even transy swings Gholgoth around like a big stick/shield.

I've talked to him personally about that (what I call "FWS Syndrome"). He knows how the rest of us feel.

I didn't say you were stupid did I? Hell, I'd put you nar the brilliant/sensible end, you've managed to gain many allies and still not officially get involved in a war, much more then I can say for GASN/CA/Hataria and even the SL or Gholgoth.

Hataria mean while, is well, hataria.

In that case, I must apologize for being belligerent. It's just that the mods deleted my Raptor Jesus thread. :(

@AMF: All is good then, still, I'd like to see what he thinks of gholgoth and the SL.

@Toc: Ouchie, so that's the thread that I saw was deleted earlier, sorryz about that, it was the funneh. :)

The Czardaian rundown on all of the important alliances. (Unofficial of course; intended for humour value; based off New Ausha's idea. Etc. etc.)

Politics of NationStates Earth: A Political Travesty
http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=slide2fm1.gif

You had better stop insulting me and my alliance, or else I may just send a few hundred thousand nukes your way in the Clandonia war...
rofl, threatening to metagame with massive nuking sprees really isn't helping your case.

rofl, threatening to metagame with massive nuking sprees really isn't helping your case.

*Adds to list of arguments against communists and the UCN*

The Czardaian rundown on all of the important alliances. (Unofficial of course; intended for humour value; based off New Ausha's idea. Etc. etc.)

Politics of NationStates Earth: A Political Travesty
http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=slide2fm1.gif


What, I'm not listed by myself? :)

rofl, threatening to metagame with massive nuking sprees really isn't helping your case.

*Shrug*

You're obviously still sore that I, and the rest of UCN, decided to ignore the supposedly "Devastating" effects your sanctions had on our economies.

First, the UCN never attacked the CA, and overall, I dont consider the UCN Psychotic...

I do however think, that some alliances (specially ACTO) should be placed on both "Xenophobic" and "Imperialist Oppresors" lists, th UCN has never intended to overthrow capitalist regimes in other countries, whereas they have repeatedly tried to beat Commie Nations into surrendering to the might of the "FR33 M4RK37!"

FR33 M4RK37 FTW! C0MM135 FTL!

It's just quite that simple. :)

First, the UCN never attacked the CA, and overall, I dont consider the UCN Psychotic...

I do however think, that some alliances (specially ACTO) should be placed on both "Xenophobic" and "Imperialist Oppresors" lists, th UCN has never intended to overthrow capitalist regimes in other countries, whereas they have repeatedly tried to beat Commie Nations into surrendering to the might of the "FR33 M4RK37!"

Well, members of the UCN did attack Blackhelm and friends in the CA war.

And on your second point, they failed everytime.

FR33 M4RK37 FTW! C0MM135 FTL!

It's just quite that simple. :)

O=

You have defied my honor good sir, thusly I must challenge you to a duel, pistols at noon?

O=

You have defied my honor good sir, thusly I must challenge you to a duel, pistols at noon?

I do accept your challenge, my Communist friend. I will preserve my honor and restore your own with a dignified duel.

Prepare to get pwn3d.

I do accept your challenge, my Communist friend. I will preserve my honor and restore your own with a dignified duel.

Prepare to get pwn3d.

*AK-47's j00 both.*

The Czardaian rundown on all of the important alliances. (Unofficial of course; intended for humour value; based off New Ausha's idea. Etc. etc.)

Politics of NationStates Earth: A Political Travesty
http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=slide2fm1.gif


Uh, looks like you forgot me, foo'... unless I'm so sensible and brilliant that I'm far past the bottom right corner of the map. ;)

I do accept your challenge, my Communist friend. I will preserve my honor and restore your own with a dignified duel.

Prepare to get pwn3d.

Good, my godfather will contact yours about the date and place of the duel.

*Goes ask Tocrowkia to be his godfather*

Uh, looks like you forgot me, foo'... unless I'm so sensible and brilliant that I'm far past the bottom right corner of the map. ;)

Sheesh, hard to forget you pac, I got ignored for the most part... (GO TOP RIGHT!)

*Shrug*

You're obviously still sore that I, and the rest of UCN, decided to ignore the supposedly "Devastating" effects your sanctions had on our economies.
Well yes that was another example of your ridiculous OOC attitude to the game, but don't flatter yourself that I actually care to remember people who I feel maligned me months ago in order to get back at them in completely unrelated threads. Unlike yourself, WSP, Etc. I have no desire to argue with you OOC about politics or subjective IC viewpoints like whether or not ACTO/UCN/whatever is "good" or "evil". I am a free market liberal in RL, but that is neither here nor there, and your own political opinions should not have any bearing on the progress of the game either. On NS we have a series of conventions which enable RP to remain fun and interesting. These involve not refusing to take losses, threatening to or actually taking IC actions based on OOC statements or making clearly OOC responses to IC actions (such as your "in other news, I don't care" in response to the Herald article in the UCN restructuring thread, or your "Velkya is full of n00bs" government statement on the Blue Star Rising thread). My country may oppose your country, IC, but I do not have any opinion on you personally, because I don't know you. Sadly these concepts appear entirely alien to you, and you appear to take IC opposition to mean OOC hatred and act accordingly.

Unlike yourself, WSP, Etc..

Huh?

What do I have to do with all of this?

oooOOoooOOoo... that was harsh. :D

I do however think, that some alliances (specially ACTO) should be placed on both "Xenophobic" and "Imperialist Oppresors" lists, th UCN has never intended to overthrow capitalist regimes in other countries, whereas they have repeatedly tried to beat Commie Nations into surrendering to the might of the "FR33 M4RK37!"
^ This.

^ This.

Well, I was just stating my thought that this NS Politics drawing was wrong, and suggested corrections. Certainly, if you found your alliances wrongly classified you'd complain, wouldnt you?

Ah, I see. I thought you were trying to start another interminable OOC debate about IC politics. Sorry about that.

Well yes that was another example of your ridiculous OOC attitude to the game, but don't flatter yourself that I actually care to remember people who I feel maligned me months ago in order to get back at them in completely unrelated threads. Unlike yourself, WSP, Etc. I have no desire to argue with you OOC about politics or subjective IC viewpoints like whether or not ACTO/UCN/whatever is "good" or "evil". I am a free market liberal in RL, but that is neither here nor there, and your own political opinions should not have any bearing on the progress of the game either. On NS we have a series of conventions which enable RP to remain fun and interesting. These involve not refusing to take losses, threatening to or actually taking IC actions based on OOC statements or making clearly OOC responses to IC actions (such as your "in other news, I don't care" in response to the Herald article in the UCN restructuring thread). My country opposes your country, IC, but I do not have any opinion on you personally, because I don't know you. Sadly these concepts appear entirely alien to you.

That isn't true, at all really. If you haven't noticed, my nation is morally bankrupt and outright kills anyone that isn't white, communist, and heavily Atheist. If you were to look at some of my past threads, you would also see that other minorities have been singled out and killed for the sole reason that they exist.

Clearly I don't feel this way OOC, I'm simply having fun RPing my nation as your stereotypical evil commie/fascist regime. And when somebody comes along claiming they can pretty much destroy my economy by placing a sanction on me, then I don't have fun. Same with dog pile wars, and RPs where I simply can't get along with the other players, like the CA war where I was constantly harassed in the OOC thread for my tactics.

As for the UCN restructuring thread, excuse me for feeling a little miffed and sick of hearing about the "Evil Bolshevist Slime" and how APOC/SL/ACTO is going to save the world from the likes of us. It's extremely tiring and honestly, down right annoying.

That isn't true, at all really. If you haven't noticed, my nation is morally bankrupt and outright kills anyone that isn't white, communist, and heavily Atheist. If you were to look at some of my past threads, you would also see that other minorities have been singled out and killed for the sole reason that they exist.
Real fascist and ommunist states didnt address other countries in leet speak and really bad one-line "put downs", nor did they threaten to nuke everything in sight. They may have used a flawed system, and they may have been cruel, but they weren't stupid and manically insane.

Clearly I don't feel this way OOC, I'm simply having fun RPing my nation as your stereotypical evil commie/fascist regime. And when somebody comes along claiming they can pretty much destroy my economy by placing a sanction on me, then I don't have fun. Same with dog pile wars, and RPs where I simply can't get along with the other players, like the CA war where I was constantly harassed in the OOC thread for my tactics.
I don't see where you're coming from here. I specifially said that embargoes would not even seriously damage your economy, let alone destroy it, just have "some effect". Which you refused point blank to RP. Someone (maybe you, not sure, might not have been) actually went so far as to hard ignore the embargo entirely! NS is about give and take, and you refused to give an inch.

As for the UCN restructuring thread, excuse me for feeling a little miffed and sick of hearing about the "Evil Bolshevist Slime" and how APOC/SL/ACTO is going to save the world from the likes of us. It's extremely tiring and honestly, down right annoying.
This is precisely what I'm talking about. Why should you be "miffed" OOC about IC actions? APOC, SL and ACTO are all made up of players just like you, and they all have a right to comment on your actions and post in open RP threads. The whole point of NS is for people to interact with each other, not to insulate themselves from all the other players and avoid actually RPing anything.

Real fascist and ommunist states didnt address other countries in leet speak and really bad one-line "put downs", nor did they threaten to nuke everything in sight. They may have used a flawed system, and they may have been cruel, but they weren't stupid and manically insane.

So? Mine is. My Foreign Ministry does use l33t speak and one liners, but I don't see why that should matter. As for my nuke threats, Tocrowkia is fairly gung-ho with it's WMDs IC.


I don't see where you're coming from here. I specifially said that embargoes would not even seriously damage your economy, let alone destroy it, just have "some effect". Which you refused point blank to RP. Someone (maybe you, not sure, might not have been) actually went so far as to hard ignore the embargo entirely! NS is about give and take, and you refused to give an inch.

If I recall correctly, you called the effects your sanctions had on our economies "a significant internal problem.".


This is precisely what I'm talking about. Why should you be "miffed" OOC about IC actions? APOC, SL and ACTO are all made up of players just like you, and they all have a right to comment on your actions and post in open RP threads. The whole point of NS is for people to interact with each other, not to insulate themselves from all the other players and avoid actually RPing anything.

It's different when every single thing you do is followed by "Marxist this, Bolshevist that." and you no longer have the liberty to do a simple war RP without fear if having the mighty SL descend down to "lolwtf pwn j00". If you want an example of this, I have two.

Operation Punishment: A war with the nation of Kubra, which he agreed to OOC. Since he was alot smaller than me, I green lighted his request to bring in a few allies. Only the thing was, the allies that came to his aid were Aequatio(one of GASN's most powerful members), Velkie, and a few other late 05' nations. All of these people were slinging around fleets of several hundred ships, so I had to retreat. What was supposed to be a fun RP was destroyed by dog piling.

The "International Lesbians" Fiasco: A bunch of NSers, mostly Summer 06'ers decided to invade Mr. 121's latest puppet. I wasn't originally going to bother to get involved, but then I decided it might be fun to teach the new guys a thing or two.

And not a day layer, lo! The almighty SL, this time with Whyatica, Velkie(again), TSS and Space Union show up, targeting me specifically. I was, again, forced to retreat. The only other option was nukes, which, to your surprise probably I didn't resort to.

Do you see what I'm getting at here? There's a difference between a fun RP and one where the odds are just so stacked against you, it's not even funny. Sometimes, it borders on OOC harassment with a IC Casus belli, in my humble opinion anyway.

I dont know why Im still replying to this tripe. Youre complaining now because countries object to you trying to invade other countries. The simple answer is DONT try to invade other countries that have lots of allies. They are perfectly entitled to defend themselves, and call upon others to honour preexisting treaty arrangements. What do you want everyone else to do? Just lie down in front of you and let you do as you please? The reality is that NS RP is only a worthwhile exercise if people are allowed to carry out legitimate actions of their choosing.

And you don't remember correctly:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11877926&postcount=231

Damage won't be catastrophic, no, or my own government wouldn't want to do it, but it will be noticeable.

No, not really. I'm pointing out the SL's penchant for getting involved in conflicts that have nothing to do with them.

At all.

That's a subjective IC opinion, not an impartial fact. Like any other RPers on NS, SL members can get involved in whatever open RPs they like. Like it or not, UCN is part of the NS alliance system, not a world unto itself. Its internal actions are everyones' business.

That's a subjective IC opinion, not an impartial fact. Like any other RPers on NS, SL members can get involved in whatever open RPs they like. Like it or not, UCN is part of the NS alliance system, not a world unto itself. Its internal actions are everyones' business.

I'll just make sure to close all of UCN's wars from now on. ~_^

The Czardaian rundown on all of the important alliances. (Unofficial of course; intended for humour value; based off New Ausha's idea. Etc. etc.)

Politics of NationStates Earth: A Political Travesty
http://img300.imageshack.us/my.php?image=slide2fm1.gif

[OOC: LOL! I'm on the slightly retarded pattern? Why that Czardas? Oh, and just curious....where do you ICly stand on the Big Three? All three of them - the Grand Archduchy of the United Realms of the Hamptonian Empire (AKA the Grand Archduchy of Hamptonshire), the United Kingdom of Oceania, and the Democratic Capitalist Republic of Pacitalia? Unless of course, they're what Pacitalia described himself as.....]

I'll just make sure to close all of UCN's wars from now on. ~_^
That's fine, so long as your victim agrees to being dogpiled by a massive alliance with no ability to bring in allies. Which they almost certainly won't.

ITT Nationstates is SERIOUS BUSINESS.

Aside from the awesome way that one of many communities from Nationstates is being sort of represented as the majority of Nationstates Earth, I've got to find humour in the way this thread is degrading.

Perhaps it's for the better that this guy tries to ignore you Praetonia... afterall, assuming they are attacking people in such an aggressive manner then it wouldn't be surprising if the nations being attacked would be willing to accept you and your allies military aid to whatever extent you are willing to help out with, Tocrowkia be damned. Of course it only really works in a defending scenario... but like you said, closing a war thread requires both sides permission and generally speaking it's the defender that has a certain amount of right of way.

This aside, however, it's more important, I would think, for alliances and nations alike to work together to make roleplay work. In such a situation where one group wishes to expand militarily, assuming everyone primarily involved has the will and time to deal with it, it would be best for everyone to work out how much aid on both sides in acceptable in order to keep a orderly number of combatants... otherwise we just fall into another ignorefest or dog-pile, which just aren't fun for the victims and go against the very principals of nationstates.

So meh, really... keep in mind this is a freeform roleplaying game, not Risk. End of the day it's how we get to where we are and not how we 'win' the game. Victories come and go but no one likes to get ganked, especially when this is supposed to be a story telling game.

[OOC: LOL! I'm on the slightly retarded pattern? Why that Czardas?
Well, from some of the things you say on IRC..... ;)

Actually just kidding, ICly we simply tend to view SEA as slightly 'backwards' for not accepting the new world order the Sovereign League and APOC wish to create, and sticking to old outdated concepts like democracy, justice, freedom, peace, and diplomacy.

Well, sort of.


Oh, and just curious....where do you ICly stand on the Big Three? All three of them - the Grand Archduchy of the United Realms of the Hamptonian Empire (AKA the Grand Archduchy of Hamptonshire), the United Kingdom of Oceania, and the Democratic Capitalist Republic of Pacitalia? Unless of course, they're what Pacitalia described himself as.....]
I've only ever interacted with them OOCly; ICly our government really doesn't know very much about what they've actually done, or why and how. They seem like fairly sensible countries because they don't go around blowing people up with n00kz and tossing around massive armies with no regard for convention or human life, but other than that, we don't know or care very much.

This aside, however, it's more important, I would think, for alliances and nations alike to work together to make roleplay work.
Precisely.

This aside, however, it's more important, I would think, for alliances and nations alike to work together to make roleplay work.

Well, its rather difficult when you get invaded by three or more +5 Billion Nations...

Well, its rather difficult when you get invaded by three or more +5 Billion Nations...

Unless you are a really small pissant nation, population comparisons mean relatively little and have become kind of silly. Ignoring the fact that these nations have the worlds population in a single nation, the main advantage of it is more resources (both physical and human) to have in reserve at any one time... but regardless of this fact most nations should be limiting how much they use in one conflict in order to keep things sane. Those that don't are just number wankers looking to gank poor newbies and probably aren't worth roleplaying with in the first place.

Keeping this in mind, a reasonably preportioned nation should be able to defencively hold it's own against one or perhaps even a few more larger nations. I don't care how much wanky PMT they shove onto their logistics, proper invasions are fucking hard and costly. In order to be sucessful they will need to overwhelm you, and unless they are technologically superiour to such a point they have complete naval/air superiourity the chances are you will bloody their nose in the process. Nevermind the fun that nuclear deterrents should add to this fact, too many nations ignore the dangers of such deterrents, arguing their wanky defence systems will protect them and then foolishly betting their peoples lives in a way most humanitarians would find utterly disgustings were it real life.

But enough about the IC details, OOCly the aggressor/invader needs to concider certain freeform realities when attacking another nation. First and foremost it's up to you the defender to decide if you are going to put up with it in the first place, if you are IRL busy or simply don't think such a thread would be particularly fun for you, you can just ignore the whole thing. However you have to keep in mind that everyone has a OOC roleplaying reputation... if you made a point of provoking such an invasion in the first place (more then just making the wrong comment, I'm talking actively starting the conflict in the first place here) then you have more of a responcability to at least try and work it through.

Eitherway, it's important when these things happen to communicate issues OOCly with your aggressor to try and smooth out such issues. If you are being gang-raped by a alliance seeking revenge or perhaps just expansion then it's not a unfair request to ask them to give you a fighting chance, either lessening the number of people involved or just asking them to use less forces each... it's not a matter of give-take though, you can't expect them to give over numberical superiourity, just make it fairer in order to make the thread more interesting to you. Dog-piling isn't fun and frankly when it's done without concideration it goes against the principals of freeform RP. That said, every situation needs to be judged independantly... it's kind of different if you just nuked their alliances capital cities.

Worst case scenario where some huge ass crazy alliance decides to wipe you out over some minor detail (like hating your nation made of almost entirely women, seriously, this has happened before) then frankly you could be well within your right to just tell them to get the fuck out and leave you alone, reasonable roleplayers can understand when you don't want to RP something like that, especially when it's done over petty reasoning.

*snip*Post #75 *snip*

SEA, for the love of fudge brownies, stop. I've asked you before, please stop. You pull me into things I don't want to get into and you distract from the main topic(s) being discussed.

I apologize to Prae for having to put this post up here, but hopefully this will put an end to it.

*unstealths*

ya'll are crazy

*restealths*