NationStates Jolt Archive

I sat down wanting to have a great roleplay that allowed plenty of oppurtunity to change history and to devolop technology. At first I thought why not start at the RussoJapenese War? But then I realized well the first war would be origanal but after that? Just your normal 20th Century Roleplay thread, which are a dime a dozen. So I thought well how about an 1800s? Then I realized the War of 1812 and the American Civil War where the only two conflicts really worth mentioning until the uniting of Germany under the Prussians and the FrankoPrussian War (No I do not think Neaponleon is worth mentioning). So I sat for half an hour trying to figure it out. Then it hit me. Why not start out in the 1600s? Colonization, constant wars, lots of oppurtunity to devolop techs if you capitalize on it.

So after that windy introduction this is my sign up thread for a 1600s Rp. Once I have intrest and people signing up I will start an OOC. The most important part is I will be limiting tech devolopment. Dreadnoughts can be started to be devoloped after a large battle where large heavily armed and armored gallions provide key to the battle. Tanks only after a war where pillboxes prove their effectiveness.

Current people signed up:

[NS]Zukariaa
Carloginias
Cortellen
Duckquackmuse
Elite Battle Hords
No Taxes
Voxio

Countries:

British Empire. (played by Carloginias)
French Empire. (played by [NS]Zukariaa)
Spanish Empire. (played by Duckquackmuse)
Russian Empire. (played by Cortellen)
Portugese Empire.
Dutch Empire.
German Confederation.
North African Natives.
West African Natives.
South African Natives.
East African Natives.
Centeral African Natives.
Amazon Basin Natives.
Centeral American Natives.
Eastern North American Natives.
Mexican Natives.
Southwest North American Natives.
Southeast North American Natives.
West North American Natives.
Canadian Natives.
Inuits.
Ottoman Empire.
Arabs.
China.
Japan.
Koreans.
Indonesain Natives.
Austrialian Natives.
Indian/Pakistani Natives.
Sweden. (played by No Taxes)
Kingdom of Sicily (played by Voxio)
Venice (played by Elite Battle Hords)

http://www.euratlas.com/big/big1600.htm
A map of Europe at that time. (http://www.euratlas.com/big/big1600.htm)You can be any of those countries As well as the listed ones.

Kingdom of Italy: Didn't exist until 1866.
Incas: Ceased to exist for all practical purposes.
Aztecs: Ceased to exist.
Bayztine Empire: Never existed. If you mean the Byzantine Empire that ceased to exist in 1453.

I am sure there are a few other mistakes on there too. You might want to fix them or state that you are changing things around a little bit or people will dismiss this thread. I would hate to see that happen, even though I will not be joining, because we really need more rp's taking place earlier. I have tried to start two in the classical world which failed miserably after a couple weeks. Sad that people think wars need guns and nations need trains to be interesting.

Ok, I am good with history but I forgot when they were gone. Also I could have sworn the Kingdom of Italy was around.

What's "German Conferderation" in the 17th century? Never heard of that...

What's "German Conferderation" in the 17th century? Never heard of that...

You're correct, there is none. The Holy Roman Empire was the only German thing worth mentioning at the time.

The Holy Roman Empire was Germany, Switzerland, Austria and a few others. The German States called themselves the German Confederation. Trust me before starting research for this I had never heard of it eather.

Oh and on the note of everything interesting on the 1800s, you missed the Crimean Wars, not to mention Spain and Portugal lost most of it's colonies around this time. Erm.. the Turks were called the Ottoman Empire back then too.

I wasn't sure when they stoped bing Turks and started being the Ottoman Empire. I am unfimilar with the Crimean Wars. Also I don't consider losing colonies worth remembering because Spain and Portugal had been losing those colonies slowly since France and England started expanding colonies. In fact most of the Spanish Empire was gone by 1700 or at least the Spanish Empire in North America.

After the fall of the Selyuq Turks in the 12 or 1300s they began calling themselves Ottomans, and with the fall of Constantinople in 1453 the term "Empire" was added. They were known as the Ottoman Empire as far up as the end of WWI.

I knew when it ended but not when they became Ottomans. Will you be interested in joining?

Bleh. Maybe. I don't know if I can be super-active, but if you'll have me I would like to take Great Britian. (Or Ottomans if you want GB.)

Well at the moment I need members before I have to worry about them being super active. And if you can average about one post a day at most one every other day that will be fine. I was thinking about taking Russia myself so you can have the English.

Okay ty. Does this mean I already have Scotland and Ireland?

And btw, welcome to Earth AV.

Okay ty. Does this mean I already have Scotland and Ireland?

And btw, welcome to Earth AV.

Okay ty. Does this mean I already have Scotland and Ireland?

And btw, welcome to Earth AV.

Could you get a world map? It helps, really. I'd be the French Empire, but I'd like some more information. Is there any changes in history or anything?

To: Carloginias. Thanks you and you will have them but they will be full of sparatic rebellion. I will expect you to play out at least a few of these rebellions.

To: [NS]Zukariaa. As soon as I get a world map of that time period I will post one. I have looked everywhere I can think of for one and have yet to find one so if anyone has one I would be grateful. You can be the French and so far history has been exactly like RL.

Bump

A bump as I go do something else.

Okay, I'm checking out a couple of RPs at the moment and this is one.

I kinda want to play a portion of the Spanish Empire, The Kingdom of Sicily, as a regency.

That could be interesting. Why dont you tell me (and it can be in telegram or the sort) how you would play the Kingdom of Sicily.

(No I do not think Neaponleon is worth mentioning).

Why?

I might get involved as the Spanish

That could be interesting. Why dont you tell me (and it can be in telegram or the sort) how you would play the Kingdom of Sicily.

I will send you some information shortly, for now I'm going to class.

BTW, I'm pretty good with maps and I could probably make a fairly good map. The German and Italian states might be a bit off though.

I want to be the Ottoman Empire if thats ok...

It doesn't say anyone has taken the Spainish Empire, can I have this?

I'll take the Hapsburg holdings at the time, if no one has claimed them.

Even though it is not on the list, can I be Sweden? It was definitely a kingdom at this time. Also, what year is this starting in, 1600?

I will send you some information shortly, for now I'm going to class.

BTW, I'm pretty good with maps and I could probably make a fairly good map. The German and Italian states might be a bit off though.

Ok I sent you a telegram responding to yours and if you could make maps for the game that would be great.

I want to be the Ottoman Empire if thats ok...

That is fine.

I call the Spanish Empire.

It doesn't say anyone has taken the Spainish Empire, can I have this?

Yes you can

I'll take the Hapsburg holdings at the time, if no one has claimed them.

I am putting all the German provences into one, which was called the German Confedracy. Would that be alright?

Even though it is not on the list, can I be Sweden? It was definitely a kingdom at this time. Also, what year is this starting in, 1600?

Ah yes I didn't think about Sweden that would be fine. And yes it is starting in 1600.

Bump.

Bump.

I call the Spanish Empire.

I already claimed that. Sorry.

So, when will the RP start?

When we get at least a few people to play natives.

Bump

May I RP as my country, Buristan, I have a history and a map around here somewhere

Unless you have a very very good realistic story no. If you have a very very good realistic story maybe.

Unless you have a very very good realistic story no. If you have a very very good realistic story maybe.


It (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508387&highlight=Buristan) is realistic, I researched it and used my history background, which is centered in European History (I got a five on my exam last year)
here (http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b400/ShortPoett/?action=view&current=Caucasus-map-D2.gif) is my map, and if you need someone with extensive historical background to help you out as a mod, I would be honored

It (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508387&highlight=Buristan) is realistic, I researched it and used my history background, which is centered in European History (I got a five on my exam last year)
here (http://s23.photobucket.com/albums/b400/ShortPoett/?action=view&current=Caucasus-map-D2.gif) is my map, and if you need someone with extensive historical background to help you out as a mod, I would be honored

That would be nice. I have one question. At the end of your history Buristan is under Ottoman rule, so are you planning to play as a rebellion? Also could you provide a map of the world as of 1600? I would do it but I am no cartographer.

I dislike the idea of allowing Buristan as an indipendent nation, but if he does intend to start as a portion of the Ottomans, then it's not that big of a deal.


BTW, my nation should be called something slightly different as it is not a true kingdom. The Regency of Sicily would be more appropriate.

Also, you should add Mughal India as an option for players. They are a major power at this time [being richer than most european nations at this time].

Technically, the German Provinces (aka The Holy Roman Empire), Austria, Bohemia, Spain, Portugal, and Croatia (including Italy, occupied by Spanish forces at the time) were under control of the House of Hapsburg, albeit I believe the Spanish holdings were seperate by this time (Spain, Portugal, Sicily and Southern Italy). This is also on the precipice of the Thirty Years' War, so if someone wants to play a subject state that wishes to rebel, I think that would be interesting.

Well, I still need to write 200 years I think. I am going to be independent pretty soon, I think that the Ottoman occupation will be quiet brief, as the majority of Buristanis support the council. I will get a map for you soon, I promise

I will take these ideas into consideration. I am seeing that this will not be compleatly historicaly accurate but then again I didn't figure it would be even at the start. To the best of my knowladge by 1600 the Holy Roman Empire was Germany down to Northern Italy.

Here is the basic political situation of Europe about this time:

France, fresh off a period of religious wars, is ruled by Henry IV (of Navarre) the first Bourbon. On April 13, 1598, he issued the Edict of Nantes, allowing Hugonauts the freedom to practice their religion quietly, after converting to Catholicism from Protestantism with his famous quote "Paris is worth a Mass" in 1593. He will most likely be assasinated by 1610, as in real history. Spain is in its golden age under the rule of the Hapsburg Phillip II. Currently however, Spain is at war with the Netherlands, over their independence, a war that will conclude formally in 1609. By Phillip II's death in 1598, however, his forces had been turned on all fronts most notably in the defeat of the Spanish Armada by the British. We are just 18 years away from the Thrity Years War, which will rock Europe to its very core.

That pretty much confirms what I know about the time period. Pirates and Privateers are just starting to pick up in the Carribean. Their high point should come about 1640-1660 when the pickings are the best ever but historicaly after that time while pickings remain just as good ports and navies are much more origanized. Historicaly we are in the sunset of the Spanish Empire, while the French Empire will continue for about 150 years before starting a long slow decay which ends with the Vietnam war. We are past the dawn of the British Empire but it is far from ending and doesn't end until it gives up its colonies in 1945-1950. Russia is pretty much stagnant and according to history it will survive for 317 or so more years. America as a country is still 170 years from being even a real idea. The Ottomans will rule their part of the world until WW I. This era could be called the beginning of the end of Empires.

The Hapsburgs (Spain and Austria) ruled over much of Italy as duchies and the like. Only Savoy (which was, I believe, subject to France), Venice, and the Papal States were independant of them. As far as majors go, anyway. Speaking of Venice, I would like to be that most serene republic.

I really think you ought to rethink uniting the HRE into the German Confederation. This makes the Hapsburgs too powerful by far. Remember that although Spain and Austria have not been united for nearly fifty years, they still have a tendency to work together.

Just my two cents. Just incase you skipped over much of this post, I would like to be Venice.

Oh, and here (http://www.euratlas.com/big/big1600.htm) is a good map of Europe at the time if you don't have one as of yet.

The Hapsburgs (Spain and Austria) ruled over much of Italy as duchies and the like. Only Savoy (which was, I believe, subject to France), Venice, and the Papal States were independant of them. As far as majors go, anyway. Speaking of Venice, I would like to be that most serene republic.

I really think you ought to rethink uniting the HRE into the German Confederation. This makes the Hapsburgs too powerful by far. Remember that although Spain and Austria have not been united for nearly fifty years, they still have a tendency to work together.

Just my two cents. Just incase you skipped over much of this post, I would like to be Venice.

Oh, and here (http://www.euratlas.com/big/big1600.htm) is a good map of Europe at the time if you don't have one as of yet.

Venice is a part of Hapsburg Austria.

The Hapsburgs (Spain and Austria) ruled over much of Italy as duchies and the like. Only Savoy (which was, I believe, subject to France), Venice, and the Papal States were independant of them. As far as majors go, anyway. Speaking of Venice, I would like to be that most serene republic.

I really think you ought to rethink uniting the HRE into the German Confederation. This makes the Hapsburgs too powerful by far. Remember that although Spain and Austria have not been united for nearly fifty years, they still have a tendency to work together.

Just my two cents. Just incase you skipped over much of this post, I would like to be Venice.

Oh, and here (http://www.euratlas.com/big/big1600.htm) is a good map of Europe at the time if you don't have one as of yet.
Thank you for the map. I have been going back and forth but I think I will have the Hapsburgs as an allience if the players choose that.

One thing I have yet to see anywhere here is, well, representation of the natural world and basic chance. Granted, this is a political sim. But how often has nature dropped its drawers throughout history and either left a largesse, or pissed in people's cheerios? Is it too whacky an idea to be the representative of hurricanes, the little ice age, earthquakes, water supplies, locations of key minerals, droughts, etc. There'd have to be a whole heck of a lot of trust put in me that I wouldn't get too carried away. But heck, what if there wasn't a potato famine, or what if the black plague happened later, or the Central American ecosystem was strong enough to support a rapidly advancing Mayan civilization? If you'll have me, I'll come back in RP and make it a little more interesting.

Venice is a part of Hapsburg Austria.

Oh, really (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venetia)?

Venice was an independant republic until 1797 when Napoleon took it. After the Congress of Vienna the Hapsburgs finally got what they wanted for so long.


Cortellen, the smaller German states of the HRE should probably have the ability to rebel, seeing as how that was an important part of the Thirty Years' War. Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years'_War) is Wikipedia's informaiton on that conflict.

The Hapsburgs (Spain and Austria) ruled over much of Italy as duchies and the like. Only Savoy (which was, I believe, subject to France), Venice, and the Papal States were independant of them. As far as majors go, anyway. Speaking of Venice, I would like to be that most serene republic.
There's also Florence which was a strong state at the time. Genoa was fairly well of as most spanish gold went through their banks.



Oh, and here (http://www.euratlas.com/big/big1600.htm) is a good map of Europe at the time if you don't have one as of yet.
That's the map I am using as a basis for my map. I'm going to leave out some of the very small states as well as vassle states as they would be difficult to map out, but larger independent nations will be there.

This looks like its shaping up well.

Cortellen, the smaller German states of the HRE should probably have the ability to rebel, seeing as how that was an important part of the Thirty Years' War. Here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years'_War) is Wikipedia's informaiton on that conflict.

I would agree with this, however, I would say that the Electors should be RPed as well, but only during election time.

OOC: According to your map, Elite Battle Hordes, I am not under the control of the Ottoman Empire.

Looks good to me.

OOC: According to your map, Elite Battle Hordes, I am not under the control of the Ottoman Empire.

Your nation exists in an area which is largely controlled by the Ottomans or their vassle states.

Voxio is right about Ottoman vassal states. Although I believe he is, ironically, wrong about Florence and Genoa; they were duchies under the Hapsburgs. I don't know their degree of independance though, so maybe Hapsburg rule was only official. He is certainly wrong to call it Florence though, since it should be called "The Grand Duchy of Tuscany" at this time.

This is just a bump post.

Voxio is right about Ottoman vassal states. Although I believe he is, ironically, wrong about Florence and Genoa; they were duchies under the Hapsburgs. I don't know their degree of independance though, so maybe Hapsburg rule was only official. He is certainly wrong to call it Florence though, since it should be called "The Grand Duchy of Tuscany" at this time.

Genoa was a close ally of Spain at the time, but it was not actually controlled by the hapsburgs.

Florence/ Tuscany is ruled by the Medici.

The hapsburgs may have controled them, but their rule wouldn't have been official.

Genoa was a staunch ally of any catholic nation if memory serves me correct.

Bump

Another bump post

Start the thread, but keep it open?

Not before the verdict on Buristan is decided.

Not before the verdict on Buristan is decided.

Why can't you just play ball and choose a country? Why so much complication...

Why can't you just play ball and choose a country? Why so much complication...

I agree, or choose a Vassle state...there were some that existed in that same place at the time.

The United Provinces, or as most people know them, the Dutch.
Is this starting exactly in 1600?

January 1st, I believe.

I wanna play as the Iroquois tribes in north america....

When did Great Britain aquire India?

I want to be the Ottoman Empire plz

To:Carloginians the british didnt aquire india until the later half of the 1700's but i believe they had the east india company set up already.

Kk ty.

bump

I was looking at the Ottoman Empire, and they historically never aquired the Caspian. I think that I need to re-write that for historical accuracy, besides, I already have too much war and rebellion in the storyline.

I am sorry I have been busy and will continue to be until monday evening.

It will be okay, everyone, keep it alive. Don't leave or forget about this.