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Ships will be periodically added to the market.


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Discounts

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-UNA: 10%
-Ten Thousand Islands: 25%
-ANC Coalition: 20%
-ADAN: 10%
(Please specify in your purchase order which, if any, of the above groups you are in...)

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SHIPS

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/Asgarnieu/KatanaClassLAF.jpg

Katana Class

Role(s)
-Fleet Defense
-Destroyer Escort
Country of Origin
-Asgarnieu
Displacement
-1,632 Tons
Length
-320 Feet
Beam
-41.11 Feet
Armament
-2 Mk. 54 Octuple Torpedo Launchers
-2 4-Inch Naval Guns
-1 4-Tube ASROC Launcher
-2 12-Cell Mine Dispensers
Powerplant
-6 BioDiesel Engines (28,500 SHP, 2 Shafts)
Maximum Speed
-41 Knots
Cost
-$28,000,000.00 USD


http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/Asgarnieu/AndreaVenitoClassCruiser.jpg

Andrea Venito Class

Role(s)
-Escort Cruiser
-All-Purpose Destroyer
Country of Origin
-Asgarnieu
Displacement
-6,540 Tons
Length
-610 Feet
Beam
-62 Feet
Aircraft
-Up to 1 AH-1/SH-60 LAMPS/HH-65
Powerplant
-8 Geared BioDiesel Turbines (84,000 SHP, 2 Shafts)
Maximum Speed
-42 Knots
Armament
-1 8-Inch Naval Gun
-1 5-Inch Naval Cannon
-8 4-Inch Naval Cannons
-4 3-Inch Rapid Fire Naval Cannons
-6 Phalanx Missile Defense Systems
-2 Octuple MK. 54 Torpedo Launchers
-1 18-Cell Standard Missile Vertical Launcher
-1 Twin ASROC Launcher
Cost
-72,000,000.00 USD


http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/Asgarnieu/LeoClassFAC.jpg

Leo Class

Role(s)
-Fast Attack Craft
Country of Origin
-Asgarnieu
Displacement
-189 Tons
Length
-129 Feet
Beam
-18.2 Feet
Armament
-2 Quad Barrel 37mm Cannons
-2 Double Barrel 35mm Cannons
-1 .50 Caliber Machine Gun
-1 18-Inch Torpedo Tube
Propulsion
-4 Diesel Engines (5,200 SHP)
Maximum Speed
-34 Knots
Cost
-$875,000 USD


http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/Asgarnieu/SpartanClass.jpg

Spartan Class

Role(s)
-Destroyer
Country of Origin
-Asgarnieu
Displacement
-4,240 Tons
Length
-476 Feet
Beam
-52 Feet
Aircraft
-Up to 2 AgustaBell 204B/AgustaBell 212/AH-1/HH-65
-Up to 1 SH-3/SH-60 LAMPS
Armament
-2 8-Inch Naval Guns
-10 5-Inch Naval Cannons
-2 3-Inch Rapid Fire Naval Cannons
-4 Octuple MK. 54 Torpedo Launchers
-1 8-Cell RIM-7 Sea Sparrow
-10 Phalanx Missile Defense Systems
-1 Single-Arm ASROC Missile Launcher
-2 14-Cell Mine Dispenser
-2 12-Cell Horizontal Exocet Missile Launcher
-1 66-Cell Vertical Standard Missile Launcher
Powerplant
-2 Nuclear Reactors (99,795 SHP)
Maximum Speed
-40 Knots
Cost
-$82,000,000.00 USD


MORE TO COME SOON

Bump.

And He looked down upon the thread He created, and He said:

"Bump."

Mind if I purchase some (about 1,000) modified Katana's?
I'll produce them at my own shipyards if that's alright with you.

Since the Kilo-missile program is going to cause plenty of uproar among the NS community...

And I'd rather use an 'off the shelf' design.

Changes:
Removal of the ASROC, in favor of some very tall VLS tubes (protruding through the deck even, and enclosed within the rear deckhouse) total VLS tube length would be 12 meters, each tube is to be eiter 48" diameter or 21" diameter, and should be used interchangably.

The octuple torpedo tubes are to be 21 inch and reloadable.

Removal of the rear turret in favor of a helipad.

Telescoping addition to deckhouse, allowing it to cover the helipad and serve as a rudimentry hangar or brig.

Guns to be of PROHT standard calibers

For the trouble of modifications, I'l forgo the 20% discount and tack on an additional $2 million per ship.

$30 billion

Oh, and I'd like to help start a joint development of a few ships, as my country has little experiance in shipbuilding.

Also, I'd like to note, that in the space taken by the ASROC, I can shove at least 16 tubes for 48" missiles (no provisions for quick reloads during combat), or something like 64 tubes for 21" rockets (or almost 200 if I include reloads, two-hundred-sixty-two 21" rockets and torpedoes total)

The DP gun would be a PROHT 125 mm single gun mount.

(as you'll notice, most of the changes are to the ship's stern, consider it a FRAM IV conversion, from ASW to littoral bombardment ship, as at 40+ knots it'll outrun most any ship out there...)

Also note that the Harpoon, F/SC-T, Tommohawk, Shepard, SUBROC, ASROC, and exceot can be fired from the mild mannered 21" torpedo tube...

Interesting linearts. However, your freeboard is waaay too low on this one: http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/Asgarnieu/AndreaVenitoClassCruiser.jpg Give it some more freeboard towards the front or the foredeck is gonna get swamped.

In that same design:
-1 8-Inch Naval Gun
-1 5-Inch Naval Cannon
-8 4-Inch Naval Cannons
-4 3-Inch Rapid Fire Naval Cannons
-6 Phalanx Missile Defense Systems
-2 Octuple MK. 54 Torpedo Launchers
-1 18-Cell Standard Missile Vertical Launcher
-1 Twin ASROC Launcher
Why not simplify to a rapid fire dual 5"er on the bow (dropping the 8, the 4"s, and the 3"s), and swap the Phalanxes to Goalkeepers. (because the Phalanx's M61 Vulcan is crap compared to Goalkeeper's GAU-8 Avenger, which was used on the A-10 Warthog) Drop a few of the CIWS and add some RAM launchers (like the RIM-116) Then add some more VLS. (since you can put SAMs in VLS too) Trust me on this, the logistics of keeping this thing fed with 8", 5", 4", and 3" shells will be overly painful.

Plus this ship is REALLY narrow. It's got a 1:10 Beam to length, 1:8 is a much better sea boat.



As for the Katana, I'd recommend putting a single 5" rapid firing gun on the bow, instead of two 4"ers. Plus, most diesels can run biofuels off the shelf, so you don't need to specify that.



Armament
-2 Quad Barrel 37mm Cannons
-2 Double Barrel 35mm Cannons
-1 .50 Caliber Machine Gun
-1 18-Inch Torpedo Tube
Simplify. I imagine the best layout is as follows:
2 dual GAU-8 30mm cannons
2 dual M2 .50cal MGs (because dual M2s are sexy)
A few .50cals that can clamp on the rails at different spots (This looks like a river comabatant, so you want some of them)
Some sort of small missile launchers
and 2 18" torpedo racks (you want racks like on the PT boats)

You need to keep in mind that you're never going to have a perfect supply chain, and as such, commonality is a VERY good thing. Those 30mm rounds could be interchangeable with the CIWS rounds in the Goalkeeper. And you might consider upping to 21" torps to keep commonality with larger vessels.

To PROHT: Your request is accepted. You may build any number of ships you wish. Pay us only $30,000,000.00 USD. We are willing to enter a joint program, give us what you would like to work on. Thank you.

To No Endorse: Thank you for your suggestions. They will be taken to heart, and we will likely design a new ship. Thank you again, as your insight is extremely helpful.

Two ships.
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One's a submarine, conventional power plant, loaded with VLS tubes, two rows, on top of each other, and in a double column along the deck.

Essentially an SSBN with conventional engines and the tube space optimised for firing or holding as many rockets as the lil hull can take.

For simplicity, it would be a contemporary attack submarine with a plug inserted.
(may be from an otherwise obsolete design)

This is also the most risky of the two projects, so it is understood if you are not willing to risk your company developing a VLS system that looks like a fireworks display...
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The other is a high speed destroyer, a single DP gun (approxomately 5"), a helipad, some 21" torpedo tubes inside the after deckhouse, and some form of long range missile system.

Propulsion cannot be nuclear.
No over the horizon radar.

CIWS capable of mounting any system smaller than a 57 mm version of the Phalanx.
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So if you have any ships doomed for the scrapyard, we shall have them refitted and sold to us at scrap value.

(In other words, if you have anything being decomissioned, we'll figure out a way of updating them and either use them ourselves or try selling them)

Our shipyards can handle anything less than 250 meters long, with a beam of 40 meters, and a drought of 9 meters.
(So no asking me to give DNs any overhauls... and the Bismark wouldn't fit...)

We'll work on the High-Speed Destroyer project. We ARE NOT willing to enter a project that will become a floating fireworks display. We are interested in the destroyer.

We are able to donate a few former Oliver Hazard Perry Class Frigates to your shipyards. They are under the Asgarnian Whiptail Class. Thank you for your interest. We should have a prototype lineart version of the Destroyer within the next two days. Thank you.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/Asgarnieu/fastdestroyer1.jpg

1. Twin Barrel/Single Barrel 5-Inch Naval Gun
2. 57mm AA Gun
3. 2-Helicopter Landing Pad
4. TPD-6/F Air and Surface Search Radar (Medium Range)
5. SSR-8E Air and Surface Search Radar (Short Range)
6. Mk.16 35mm Phalanx CIWS Refit
7. 21" Torpedo Tubes
8. Short Range Sensor System
9. Forward Steering Assist Fins
10. Diesel Propulsion System (4 Diesel Turbines)
11. SQR-3H/K Bow Sonar System


This is the base model. I left out the missiles to propose a question; what kind of LR missiles do you want? Exocet, Harpoon, Standard Missile, RIM-116, ASROC, LASM? I can incorporate a system to accomodate whatever you need. Also, do you want a VLS system? Thanks.

x40 Andrea Vineto Class Cruisers

Total Cost: 2.88 Billion

Well, I was planning on taking advantage of the notion that all those missiles can be fired from a tube with the dimensions of a standard 21" torpedo...
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Changes:

Helipad can be smaller.

Scrap the 57 mm gun, replace with hangar for the helicopters.

Trying to understand why there is a gap between the forward and after superstructure, if it doesn't need to be there, please fill it in. I noticed it is mising a smokestack, placing it here would necesitate moving long range sensors forward, while Short range covers the ship's "blind spot".

In an area between Hangar and CIWS, add raised (and enclosed) VLS. A set of reloads will be located underneath and hydrolicly raised. Electronics for arming and target data transfer will be moved the the side of each tube, so cell spacing will be greater (48"x24" deck surface area per 21" missile tube)

Might want better coverage from the Phalanx system, the 4 corners of the superstructure would be sufficient.

A bit more space devoted to torpedo tubes. A although 8 is a good number, something between 12 and 16 would give me a better sense of security.

Chances are you resserved forward deck space for VLS, that space won't be needed, so feel free to leave that area undefined or shift the superstructure and gun forward, while still remembering that space must be left over for anchor chain and machinery.
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Pretty sure you can find space for 25 to 50 VLS tubes (5 rows wide, 5 to 10 rows long)

Propulsion: Diesel primary, 4 motors, 2 auxillary Sung Industries M-2500 gas turbines, 2 screws
(I choose this engine because that is what my machines are tooled for.)

20,000+50,000 BHP rated

I expect the ship to exceed 35 knots (maybe even poke into the 40 knot region)
Something like 15 to 25 knots cruising speed.
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Those long exposed shafts are prone to damage, I suggest they get covered.

The USSNB Military would like to order 15 Katana Class's. The total comes out to $420,000,000 and will be given to you once the USSNB Navy's Battlefleet reaches your shore.

OOC: Nice Lineart *Thumbs up*

Thank you TWSP!

All orders accepted. Enjoy your new ships.

Hurty, gotcha. Will-do. Expect the changes soon.

OK Hurty, here it is:

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/Asgarnieu/fastdestroyer1refitANSprj.jpg

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The aft superstructure was fused with the forward one. Smokestack added. More torpedo tubes added. 57mm Scrapped. 2nd CIWS added to the front, and the original one was raised to provide additional coverage. Propulsion shaft made smaller.

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1. Twin Barrel/Single Barrel 5-Inch Naval Gun
2. Hangar
3. Landing Pad
4. TPD-6/F Air and Surface Search Radar (Medium Range)
5. SSR-8E Air and Surface Search Radar (Short Range)
6. Mk.16 Phalanx CIWS 35mm Refit
7. 21" Torpedo Tubes
8. Short Range Sensor System
9. Forward Steering Assist Fins
10. Diesel Propulsion System
11. SQR-3H/K Bow Sonar System
12. Smokestack
13. Deep Contact Antenna (used to communicate better with submarines)
14. VLS System (on the sides, 2 deep, 18 long; 4 launchers total)

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VLS is dissimilar to others, also keeps deck space open for last-minute refits of additional missile systems, AA weaponry, or other technology systems.

All weapons systems are completely interchangable with other foriegn systems. Thales systems are also applicable. The 5" can be switched to a more powerful 8" single barrel. .50 Caliber machine guns can also be mounted to add to the overall firepower.

The hangar is kept seperate from the superstructures to prevent the spread of fires. The landing pad was kept at the same length to, in emergency situations, possibly land Harriers or Ospreys.

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That is that. I hope you like it. Any more suggestions are welcome. Thank you.

Hangar looks a bit, tall? (might be a scale issue, since that pad looks a bit large for only two planes... [not really too large, it still looks big though, I only need to handle one helicopter at a time -if I desprately need to handle 2 (or a big one), I'll have it land on the bow])

I'll worry about fire hazards. Though detached hangar was a good idea.

Move CIWS forward, just behind the smoke stack, it doesn't need a special perch.

VLS seems to be cutting into the torpedo tubes...
I suggest placement between hangar and superstructure, feel free to raise the hatches flush with hangar roof.
I don't need 128 tubes, 50 will suffice

Torpedo tubes can be doubled up/moved forward if they get in your way (or even placed on deck).

Otherwise, extremely well done.
I have no complaints with bow, forward superstructure (including forward CIWS), or screws, those are perfect.

2nd thought, place VLS hatches flush and immediately behind superstructure, place CIWS immediately behind VLS (on same perch), and hangar between that and the pad -but not flush with superstructure.

I also noticed the 5" gun went a little ways back...
Leaving lots of space for improved systems to go later (or large helicopters).

Will-do. I'll have to get to it a little bit later, though. Thank you.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/Asgarnieu/fastdestroyer1refit2ANSprj.jpg

Newest and hopefully final version.

OK, moved the CIWS. VLS is flush with the lowest part of the superstructure and hangar. 21" torpedos moved forward. Landing pad shortened. Hangar lowered. That's pretty much it. I wanted the CIWS to be near the smokestack to provide high coverage.

Enjoy.

I like your ships. Maybe someday I can afford to buy them instead of window shopping.

-snip- (actually compared ship's size to that of a UH-60's)

Aha!
The C-5's cargo hold is only 13 feet high! Yet it can still hold helicopters...
Eh... So now I can stuff slighly larger planes into the hangar and service them...
It's not as if these planes are gonna get any smaller...

EDIT:
Clarifictaion on Power plant:
CODLAG (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_diesel-electric_and_gasturbine)
GE LM-2500 Gas Turbine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric_LM2500) 2
Diesel Motor, Bergen B35;40 (http://www.rolls-royce.com/marine/products/diesel_gas_turbine/diesel_engines/bergen_b35.jsp) 4 (driving Electric Generators)
2 15,000 BHP Electric Motors (Compound winding)

Lineart is good the way it is.
I guess I'm stuck writing specs...

Attached file:
Concepts of modernization:
Weapons enhancements:
Concept 1: Larger VLS between Helipad and superstructure (may require removal of Hangar)
Concept 2: Addition of Forward VLS (roughly 160 cells)
Concept 3: regunning, inserting a set of 8" singles roughly where the 5" is, and setting 5" guns (either dual or single) on side sponsons, just behind Forward Phalanx.
Concept 4: Additional SSMs in ABL mounts (or torpedoes), mounted alongside superstructure

That allows for 12 different designs upon one common hull.
Since all concepts can be employed on the same hull simultaniously.
(Tonnage would go up of course, and seaworthiness comes into question then)

Still, with all concepts used...
260-360 21" VLS cells (in two batteries, forward and aft)
Twelve 21" torpedo tubes
Additional SSMs (about 16 to 32 long range missiles, undecided)
Two 8" gun turrets (single gun mounts)
Four 5" gun turrets (single gun mounts [4 guns], raised step for rear gun)
4 CIWS mounts (might be able to be raised to 10 if one really wanted to, I guess)...

Powerplant enhancements:
Concept 1: CODLAG with improved electric motors, and LM-2500+ Gas turbines (raises total SHP in excess of 140,000 HP Vs 80,000 HP)
Concept 2: COSAG, gutting out the Diesels in favor of steam turbine system, internal space will be dislocated or, will reuire the addition of a 'plug'.
Concept 3: CONAG, same idea as COSAG, except it uses a nuclear reactor...

Stability enhancements:
Concept 1: Larger Trim tanks and bilge pumps
Concept 2: Larger Keel (Increases Draft)
Concept 3: Hull bulges (reduces max speed)

Sensor/ECM/Anti-missile Enhancements:
Concept 1: Towed SONAR array (noting that supercavitation on bulbus bow renders SONAR useles at high speed, hence why SONAR/ASDIC operates best at less than 20 knots)
Concept 2: Chaff and flares
Concept 3: Phased array Radar
Concept 4: Improved CIWS systems
Concept 5: EMP 'Flashbang' shells
Concept 6: Decoys (either missiles, 5" shells, or towed)
Concept 7: Close in Anti-Torpedo system

Yep, I designed these with a comfortable margin of improvement built in...
Even after employing every modification and add on possable, it could most likely still churn through the ocean at a comfortable 30-35 knots...

Now I go back to writing up the stats for these things...

Deal. I like the way you think. I'm going to design a TOTAL refit of the fast destroyer and try to sell it. Great ideas.

Scratch that:

ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Terror_Class_Dreadnought

4 3-Barrel 18-Inch Naval Cannons
16 8-Inch Naval Cannons
6 57mm AA Guns
100 .50 Caliber Machineguns
20 25mm Bushmaster Cannons
26 Chaff Launchers
The main armament is fun, GO GO BATTLESHIP YAMATO! Are you mounting Tri-gun (all the guns on the same elevation gear) or Tripple-Gun (independant elevation for each gun)? Tri is a lot less space intensive, but it means everything is locked together. With tripple, you can be presetting elevations while engaging targets, meaning that you only need to rotate the turret and fire.

You can eliminate the 2.25" (57mm) AA guns if you switch the 16 single 8" guns to dual 5" DPs. That's an insane armament of 32 5" guns, so you'd want to scale back a little, perfect for increasing the size of the VLS (Although I wonder where exactly the hangar is on this thing) However, 5" guns can be used against aircraft a little easier, and with those buggers blasting away, your VLS going crazy, and all your fleet escorts helping, it'd be a LOT of fun to try to attack you.

I really hope that those .50cal machine guns are handheld and have brackets to clip to the railings to repel boarders.... the M2 was a wonderful and sexy air defense weapon during its day, but the 5" DPs can take down helos just fine (especially that Russian rapid-fire system), which are really the only things that you'd be using a .50cal against nowadays. Crew served weapons can't react fast enough to make a missile kill (Thus demonstrating the superiority of steel over fleshy meatbags :P) HOWEVER, a lot of big ugly as sin machine guns with a ton of points to clip 'em to, and boarding parties will be hurtin.

I'd use the 30mm Goalkeeper system instead of 25mm Bushmaster for the CIWS. It puts the weight of a GAU-8 behind each shot, and it's hard to argue with that.

Reminds me one of California's SDs. Anyway, good linearts, have you considered Lineartinc? (http://z13.invisionfree.com/LineartInc/index.php?act=idx)

The main armament is fun, GO GO BATTLESHIP YAMATO! Are you mounting Tri-gun (all the guns on the same elevation gear) or Tripple-Gun (independant elevation for each gun)? Tri is a lot less space intensive, but it means everything is locked together. With tripple, you can be presetting elevations while engaging targets, meaning that you only need to rotate the turret and fire.

You can eliminate the 2.25" (57mm) AA guns if you switch the 16 single 8" guns to dual 5" DPs. That's an insane armament of 32 5" guns, so you'd want to scale back a little, perfect for increasing the size of the VLS (Although I wonder where exactly the hangar is on this thing) However, 5" guns can be used against aircraft a little easier, and with those buggers blasting away, your VLS going crazy, and all your fleet escorts helping, it'd be a LOT of fun to try to attack you.

I really hope that those .50cal machine guns are handheld and have brackets to clip to the railings to repel boarders.... the M2 was a wonderful and sexy air defense weapon during its day, but the 5" DPs can take down helos just fine (especially that Russian rapid-fire system), which are really the only things that you'd be using a .50cal against nowadays. Crew served weapons can't react fast enough to make a missile kill (Thus demonstrating the superiority of steel over fleshy meatbags :P) HOWEVER, a lot of big ugly as sin machine guns with a ton of points to clip 'em to, and boarding parties will be hurtin.

I'd use the 30mm Goalkeeper system instead of 25mm Bushmaster for the CIWS. It puts the weight of a GAU-8 behind each shot, and it's hard to argue with that.


Each 18-Inch turret is independant. They move and elevate freely.

We like the 57mm for their ease of resupplying. The Asgarnian Armed Forces uses a lot of 57mm ammo, not just for naval vessels either. It is just the way we like it.

Indeed, the .50's are clipped to railings to repel boarders. The .50's really have no other purpose.

We use the 35mm CIWS Refit Mk.16 with Depleted Uranium rounds. 35mm may not have the range of a 30mm, but it pushes a helluva lot more power onto any missile; the call it "Close In" for a reason.

Reminds me one of California's SDs. Anyway, good linearts, have you considered Lineartinc? (http://z13.invisionfree.com/LineartInc/index.php?act=idx)

Yes, the general concept was taken from California, although there was no Copy-Paste going on; I have only the most respect for California.

Yes, I have a membership with Lineartinc, but I haven't used it yet.

Each 18-Inch turret is independant. They move and elevate freely.

He meant the guns in each turret. You can elevate each gun seperately or you can attach them to one elavator but only elevate one gun at a time.

Must... write... specs...
I'll let you name it, I'm lousy with inventive names, or marketing.
*I'll have to guess at length, won't I? Estimate looked a bit small, so I just borrowed Katana sizes.

Katana Mod H2 Class Destroyer (http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/Asgarnieu/fastdestroyer1refit2ANSprj.jpg)

Country of Origin
-Asgarnieu/PROHT shipyards

Basics:
Displacement
-1,632 Tons*
Length
-320 Feet*
Beam
-41.11 Feet*
Crew size:
-???

Armament:
-2x 21" Octuple Torpedo Launchers
-1x 5-Inch Naval Gun
-100 21" raised VLS box cells (5x20)
-4x 35 mm CIWS mounts
Aircraft:
Up to two meduim sized helicopters can be carried, a large helicopter can be operated from deck space both forward and aft if necessary.

Sensors:
-TPD-6/F Air and Surface Search Radar (Medium Range)
-SSR-8E Air and Surface Search Radar (Short Range)
-SQR-3H/K Bow Sonar System
-Helicopter mounted RADAR (Long range)
-Towed Sonar and torpedo decoy
-Deep Contact Antenna (used to communicate better with submarines)

Powerplant: CODLAG
-2 LM-2500 Gas turbines (65,000 SHP)
-4 Diesel Bergen B35:40 Engines (40,000 SHP) driving generators
(assuming the site meant 525-875 KW per engine)
-2 electric motors (30,000 BHP total)
Maximum Speed:
-40 Knots
Cruising speed:
-25 knots

Other:
Boulbus supercavitating bow, reduces drag at high speed
Front and rear mounted rudders cut turning radius in half

Cost: ???

Each 18-Inch turret is independant. They move and elevate freely.

We like the 57mm for their ease of resupplying. The Asgarnian Armed Forces uses a lot of 57mm ammo, not just for naval vessels either. It is just the way we like it.

Indeed, the .50's are clipped to railings to repel boarders. The .50's really have no other purpose.

We use the 35mm CIWS Refit Mk.16 with Depleted Uranium rounds. 35mm may not have the range of a 30mm, but it pushes a helluva lot more power onto any missile; the call it "Close In" for a reason.
o___O err, I meant per turret. Sorry if I was confusing. What are the 46cm guns like in each turret?

57mm is less than optimal for AA work due to range concerns. If you go to dual 127mm (5") DPs instead of single 8"ers, you can simplify supplying by eliminating both the 57mm AND the 8" (~203mm?) on your boat. It combines two round sizes into one. 127mm can use ERGMs too, which is hard with smaller rounds.

I wasn't aware that the Bushmaster had a 35mm version.... wiki calls it a 25mm weapon fitted to the Bradley and some surface ships.

We'd like to order a modified Katana class; with these modifications;

Replace the 4 inch guns with 10 inch guns.

Remove the aft gun and replace it with a helicopter landing pad.

Place one patriot missile system on the vessel, anywhere you like.

How much would this run us?

We'd like to order a modified Katana class; with these modifications;

Replace the 4 inch guns with 10 inch guns.

Remove the aft gun and replace it with a helicopter landing pad.

Place one patriot missile system on the vessel, anywhere you like.

How much would this run us?
LOL!
A 10" is a BIG gun. To get an idea, image search 12" railway guns (http://www.pacificwrecks.com/gun/philippines/hearn/index.html), then 105 mm anti-tank guns.
Now compare.

Unless you meant mortars/Howitzers...
Then look up the M-1890 (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/7/7d/12-in_seacoast_mortar_1890-m101.jpg/280px-12-in_seacoast_mortar_1890-m101.jpg) American coast mortars.
They're still big. But feasable, but then look at range... (only 8 miles)
Same gun, on a railway mount in France, 1918 (http://www.geocities.com/fort_tilden/12rwymortar.jpg)
Well, not the exact same gun, since the french didn't really return it and the americans never wanted them returned.

Wartime Usage [WW2, Corregidor Island, Philippines.1942] (http://www.pacificwrecks.com/gun/philippines/way/1942/battery-way-captured.html)
The position was unmanned until April 17 1942. Then, manned by the Battery E 60th coast artillery commanded by Major William Massello. On May 2, mortars 3 and 4 were disabled by direct hits on the barrel. After midnight May 6 the the last mortar began firing at Japanese landing craft in the north channel between 4-6:00am. The battery was under fire, sustaining 70% casualties. At 11:00am its breech block froze from continuous firing, it was the last gun firing before the island surrendered. Americans removed all the breech blocks from the guns.

You heard me, 10 inch guns.. :D

I want heavy firepower here, even in the age of missiles. I'd have an advantage that others wouldn't have; others would have 4 or 5 inch guns, and I could blow them to hell with my Battleships and other ships.

A 10" gun is too heavy for something with the weight of the Katana. However, HT, you are wrong, a 10" gun will get somtehing with the range - traditionally - of around 25 miles.

You heard me, 10 inch guns.. :D

I want heavy firepower here, even in the age of missiles. I'd have an advantage that others wouldn't have; others would have 4 or 5 inch guns, and I could blow them to hell with my Battleships and other ships.
The recoil's so heavy that it might capsize from firing it..Not to mention the fact that the turret is going to be so heavy that it'd make the ship seriosly un stable..

I wasn't aware that the Bushmaster had a 35mm version.... wiki calls it a 25mm weapon fitted to the Bradley and some surface ships.

The bushmaster family comes in a range of calibres these days all the way up to 40mm (or even 50mm if you include the 35/50mm Super shot round) but i would be very suprised to see a bushmaster series gun being used in CIWS role, where the Oerlikon 35/1000 millenium gun or some NS tech 35mm rotary weapon would be more usual and useful. I really don't see why the effective rnage of a 35mm weapon would be less than that of a 30mm, esspecailly if you were using some sort of AHEAD or 3P ammo.


Constantinalia: 10 guns can be mounted on ships, but they tend to be 10,000ton + criusers, not sub 2,000ton frigates/destroyers.
Patriot is a bit pointless as if you have a decent VLS system you can use the SM-2 standard family of SAMs which do the same job...

Fine, let's move away from the Katana class.

A refit of the Spartan class;

replace the 8 inch guns with 9 inch guns
remove the 3 inch guns

(I'm going to assume that's a landing pad on the back, if not, I want one)

The recoil's so heavy that it might capsize from firing it..Not to mention the fact that the turret is going to be so heavy that it'd make the ship seriosly un stable..
The ship won't capsize. It will be a horrible sea boat, since the high CoG will make it roll a lot in higher sea states. Also, the ship's structure can't take the stress of a 10" gun, it's just not strong enough, and can't be made strong enough without so seriously modifying the frame that it's worthless.

I really don't see why the effective rnage of a 35mm weapon would be less than that of a 30mm, esspecailly if you were using some sort of AHEAD or 3P ammo.
35mm is still on the up slope of range IIRC. Though 35mm is a little excessive for CIWS work, since 30mm can puncture tank top armor....

I want heavy firepower here, even in the age of missiles. I'd have an advantage that others wouldn't have; others would have 4 or 5 inch guns, and I could blow them to hell with my Battleships and other ships.
Here's the catch: others will have dual mounted 5" Dual Purpose rapid-fire gun systems. They can be both AA and anti-ship weapons, so they're FAR more versatile than your 10" gun. Also, without missiles, you lack long range punch. Missiles will ALWAYS have a longer range than guns. Guns are for slugging it out when you get in close.

Plus, a frigate ain't a ship of the line. It has a completely different job than a battleship. It's an escort, not a standalone fighting platform.

35mm is still on the up slope of range IIRC. Though 35mm is a little excessive for CIWS work, since 30mm can puncture tank top armor....


Now why did you atribute my thoughts to HT (appart from the obvious issue of his attachment to 35mm munitions), Seriously i'm hurt ;)

Actually 35mm is quite useful as it is the calibre where flak or more accurately: programable airburst rounds, start to become seriously useful, the submunitions from a 35mm AHEAD round are quite good at punching through armour.

A 10" gun is too heavy for something with the weight of the Katana. However, HT, you are wrong, a 10" gun will get somtehing with the range - traditionally - of around 25 miles.

Was reffering to the M-1890 COAST MORTAR's range.
Which could actually be feasably mounted on a Katana, if one was crazy enough...

With a modern auto-loader, you might be able to up the ROF to 6 RPM...

Now why did you atribute my thoughts to [Hurtful Thoughts] (appart from the obvious issue of his attachment to 35mm munitions), Seriously i'm hurt ;)
So I really like 35 mm guns...

I can switch to any other caliber whenever I want, it just won't be today, and I very much doubt it'll be tommarow, or even the day after...

Irony:
Used word 'thoughts' and 'Hurt' when reffering to a refferance to me, but never typing 'Hurtful thoughts'.

Now why did you atribute my thoughts to HT (appart from the obvious issue of his attachment to 35mm munitions), Seriously i'm hurt ;)

Actually 35mm is quite useful as it is the calibre where flak or more accurately: programable airburst rounds, start to become seriously useful, the submunitions from a 35mm AHEAD round are quite good at punching through armour.

:P sorry about that, I'm dealing with about two dozen things right now, and HT had posted numerous times in the thread.