NationStates Jolt Archive

This is the centre for debate regarding legislation for the League of Free Republics.

Current Docket:
1. Space Programme Act - Passed
2. A Bill Regarding A Central Bank - Failed
3. Diplomatic Relations Bill - Passed
4. A Resolution Regarding Cotenshire

The current presiding officer is British Londinium.

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1/2 - 3
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Laquasa agrees. Icovir is a communist, totalarian state. We stand for democracy, and our alliance needs a space station to call their own. Sharing the station means potential disputes over use of it, and if kept to a single alliance, these conflicts would not happen. So, I propose we begin a new progect, one for ourselves, in the name of peace and liberty.

Cortellen thanks Laquasa for its support on this matter. Cortellen would also like to take this time to support British Londinium's new offer for the League to help each nation make a space station.

Currently, the LFR is debating the following:

Bill for the High Council

The Imperial Republic of Nova Aquaria suggests that the LFR begin to build a large space station, to gain a foothold in the great frontier that is space. We suggest we pass legislation to allow those nations who help build the space station be able to use it.

--Emperor Adrian I of Nova Aquaria

There is also an amendment, proposed by British Londinium, which reads:

Furthermore, the League shall aid each member in developing a presence in space.

Cortellen, the bill would make one League space station, and my amendment would help nations build starships and starfleets.

Cortellen, the bill would make one League space station, and my amendment would help nations build starships and starfleets.

Ah Cortellen did not realize that and but will still support the motion.

The motion regarding the amendment now requires a vote. All members are to vote forthwith.

British Londinium votes in favour of the amendment.

Cortellen also votes in favor of the amendment.

bump

The Britannic Empire would also like to propose the following legislation, to be debated and voted on after the conclusion of the current piece of legislation.

Be it resolved by this High Council that:
I. The League of Free Republics shall create a central bank to regulate monetary policy.
II. All members of the League shall adopt a common currency.

Cortellen would like to propose a bill to the high council to be debated and voted on after British Londinium's bill.

Diplomatic Relations Bill:
I The League's members will help smaller nations with little to no army and a small or nonexistant defence budget by giving money or troops to the nations.
II All of the League's members will have embassies in each member country.
III The League's members will try to solve any conflicts any member nations get in to by diplomacy.
IV The League will attempt to work with any nation that a member nation has bad diplomatic relations with to normalize the relations.

Nova Aquaria votes in favor of the LFR space station.


We oppose the following, however:

"II. All members of the League shall adopt a common currency."

We support the actual change but think that it should be a choice to the individual nation.

"I The League's members will help smaller nations with little to no army and a small or nonexistant defence budget by giving money or troops to the nations."

This seems like a good program; however, it would cost much money. We should only offer this to member nations with a small/no military.

"II All of the League's members will have embassies in each member country."

Great proposal! We vote for.

"III The League's members will try to solve any conflicts any member nations get in to by diplomacy."

This is much easier said than done, it is hard to pass a bill that vague. Sometimes warmongers won't negotiate, and military force is needed.

"IV The League will attempt to work with any nation that a member nation has bad diplomatic relations with to normalize the relations."

Also vague, but it is a good philosophy. We will try to do this, but won't pass legislation.

Picture of the headquarters, in Boston, Nova Aquaria:

http://www.spearsvotta.com/photos/bge_headquarters_separation.jpg

We vote for the LFRISS (League of Free Republic's International Space Station), and suggest to begin construction soon now that a majority has been obtained. We shall need a list of those who support it!

We also agree that we need an alliance bank. We suggest putting it in The World Bank. We could use it to equip weaker members, aide in military conflicts, rebuild nations, build progects, etc. The Emperor has opened an account and placed 3 billion to start off.

~Letter to the High Council of the League of Free Republics~

We draw back our Bulshivok units as we are renovating our forces. We will give you another hundred billion USD in support for your cause. We may join you in wars or such. Think of the Socialist Militaristic Empire of Latica as allie, or a defender of you.

Protector of your Alliance and Socialist Militaristic Empire of Latica,
Emperor Xion Rein I

Thank you. We realize that non-republic nations are not all evil terrorists, and that we have a friend in Gente Del Agua, and Gente Del Agua has friends in the LFR.

--Emperor Adrian I of Nova Aquaria

Thank you. We realize that non-republic nations are not all evil terrorists, and that we have a friend in Gente Del Agua, and Gente Del Agua has friends in the LFR.

--Emperor Adrian I of Nova Aquaria

For further reference, friend, we are not completely non-republic. Our provinces are controlled by elected Protisans, or as you might say in common terminology Governors. We do not break these down, as it would take information much longer to get to the central goverment. We would not want any acces to your space station as we don't have any space programs, and it may clutter your spacial channel. Can we have a represenative to your nation, his name being Xavier Fey, one of our Protisans of the Armour Province. He support Socialism, but is some how pushing for capitalism in his province. We, however, have stopped all his efforts, but his point of view may prove useful for negotiations with Republic nations.

Friend,
Emperor Xion Rein I

For further reference, friend, we are not completely non-republic. Our provinces are controlled by elected Protisans, or as you might say in common terminology Governors. We do not break these down, as it would take information much longer to get to the central goverment. We would not want any acces to your space station as we don't have any space programs, and it may clutter your spacial channel. Can we have a represenative to your nation, his name being Xavier Fey, one of our Protisans of the Armour Province. He support Socialism, but is some how pushing for capitalism in his province. We, however, have stopped all his efforts, but his point of view may prove useful for negotiations with Republic nations.

Friend,
Emperor Xion Rein I

OOC: Like an ambassador?

OOC: Yes.

We vote for the LFRISS (League of Free Republic's International Space Station), and suggest to begin construction soon now that a majority has been obtained. We shall need a list of those who support it!

Order! Order! The voting on the amendment to the space programme act has not been completed. Therefore, we can not vote on the legislation.

Furthermore, Aquaria, you cannot vote on a piece of legislation that is not on the top of the docket.

ATTN All: THIS IS A CLOSED THREAD. The only people that can post here are members of the LFR.

OOC: Also, you cannot fail parts of legislation. It must be passed/failed in full. Maintain parliamentary procedure, everyone.

Order! Order! The voting on the amendment to the space programme act has not been completed. Therefore, we can not vote on the legislation.

Furthermore, Aquaria, you cannot vote on a piece of legislation that is not on the top of the docket.

ATTN All: THIS IS A CLOSED THREAD. The only people that can post here are members of the LFR.


What about one with a ambassador and is supporting your space programme with one hundred billion USD, I will pull these out if my voice is not heard.

IC:
We will welcome your ambassador, and he will reside in our capitol city.


OOC: But remember, there are a few differences in British parliament and the American Senate.

Whilst we are willing to allow Gente Del Agua to have an ambassador in the High Council chambers, from this point on, all non-member nations must seek authorization to send an ambassador.

Gente Del Agua, I apologise.

IC:
We will welcome your ambassador, and he will reside in our capitol city.


OOC: But remember, there are a few differences in British parliament and the American Senate.

OOC: I know that. Parliamentary procedure does not mean a parliament. Parliamentary procedure involves anything, such as a Congress, Senate, or Parliament. Trust me, I was in a congressional debate programme for years, so I know procedure. Please finish voting on the amendment before voting on the Space Programme Act.

Whilst we are willing to allow Gente Del Agua to have an ambassador in the High Council chambers, from this point on, all non-member nations must seek authorization to send an ambassador.

Gente Del Agua, I apologise.

OOC: Glad to see you can put a side personnel feelings in your IC posts. :-D Sorry about that, but I tend to have a small amount of patience, especially when it comes around by telegrams.

IC: Your apologize are accepted, and seeing as you were just holding Council procedure we will award you another fifty billion USD.

OOC: I love having nothing to do w/ my money, lol :p

1. Space Programme Act - voting on amendment in progress- Vote For
2. A Bill Regarding A Central Bank- Vote for
3. Diplomatic Relations Bill- Vote against

I am going to temporarily lapse procedure in the interest of moving along. The Space Programme Act is hereby passed with the amendment.

Debate is to begin on the legislation regarding a central Bank forthwith, and will end tomorrow at 9 pm CST, with a vote afterwards.

1. Space Programme Act - voting on amendment in progress- Vote For
2. A Bill Regarding A Central Bank- Vote for
3. Diplomatic Relations Bill- Vote against

You cannot vote on pieces of legislation that have not been debated yet.

Cortellen thinks the first part of the Bank Bill is a good, but we are apposed to the second part. We suggest a removal of part II or at least a change to make it volentary. Although we are against part II we do reconize it would make trade easier. We will not accept a change in our currency as it reminds our nation of our nation's history.

Without section II, there would be no Section I. There cannot be a central bank that doesn't regulate a currency.

Without section II, there would be no Section I. There cannot be a central bank that doesn't regulate a currency.

We could have a bank that regulates the currencies of all member nations, but if that does not go through then the government of Cortellen takes a stance against the bill.

We could have a bank that regulates the currencies of all member nations, but if that does not go through then the government of Cortellen takes a stance against the bill.

So noted.

Gold my friends. Buy gold. It is the standard, no matter what country your in. If you're too illogical to change your nation's currence then just use your currencey to buy gold and use that for your banking account.

We could have a bank that regulates the currencies of all member nations, but if that does not go through then the government of Cortellen takes a stance against the bill.The Democratic Constitutional Monarchy agrees with the Cortellen government on this issue.

So you propose that we utilise gold pieces as currency?

No, gold bars. Like Fort damn, what's the name of the fort in the middle of the USA that hold allot of gold? Anyways, gold bars are universal there's a set price that goes up and down, and he is going up and up right now.

But yes, I do propose that.

OOC: Fort Knox.

OOC: Fort Knoxx.

OOC: w/e man. ur in the LFR?

OOC: "Whatever"? You asked. I won't even bother next time then... yes I am in.

OOC: one x.
IC:
As author of this piece of legislation, I amend section II to read as follows:

II. Gold bars shall be adapted as the currency of member nations.

As it stands Cortellen is still against section II, even with the amendment.

OOC: How about something more modern? Like paper money. I suggest something like a Euro, perhaps a different name. Let's adopt Euros instead!

IC:
Nova Aquaria proposes the adoption of the Euro.

OOC: How about something more modern? Like paper money. I suggest something like a Euro, perhaps a different name. Let's adopt Euros instead!

IC:
Nova Aquaria proposes the adoption of the Euro.

Aquaria, for the last time, follow parliamentary procedure or you shall be sanctioned.

You cannot randomly propose something until the conclusion of debate and voting on this piece of legislation.

As the Presiding Officer, I am ignoring this proposal.

Nuevo Acuatico finds it ridiculous to consider adopting gold. Gold is a very heavy substance. We suggest a much lighter money instead. Gold would be a very unrealiable currency, as paper money is much cheaper and in much higher supply.

The government of British Londinium continues to endorse the proposal, noting that gold retains its value.

We are exteremly glad that one of our suggestion have been able to help. And why are gold bars considered "less modern", gold bars are universal currency. Why do we not just exclude Cortellen from the ammendment. He will simple not comply because he country's money has "history". That's what books are for, my friend. It's time to move on, im sorry for sounding angry, but we must not let just minial debates drag out.

As presiding officer, I shall take Gente Del Agua's proposal into consideration.

Debate shall end at 0300 hours GMT, or 2200 hours EST.

If you want to "Move on" then try not to slip back a few hundred years and revert back to gold. What happens when inflation is high, and you run out of gold?


Either let each nation choose, or pick a much more efficient paper money. Gold is not universal, I can not name 1 nation that is modern that uses only gold. Unless you want to sink this alliance, let the current currencies stand, or adopt a new one over time.

Utilising gold in no way would be a reversion. Furthermore, the piece of legislation does not define the way in which member nations must use gold in their fiscal systems. In fact, a nation could simply adopt the gold standard to determine their currency's value, and still remain in compliance.

If you want to "Move on" then try not to slip back a few hundred years and revert back to gold.
OOC: Most larger nations/bank use gold currency, or atleast have a rather large supply of it. Take Fort Knox for example, in the United States. I will not reply to your post, if it is in IC, it it was in OOC then this is my reponse. And please don't respond with something along the lines of, "Thanks, Captain Obvoius"

OOC: Go to your local Wachovia and ask for some gold.

Nuevo Acuatico, cease and desist these comments forthwith, they border on flaming.

If you continue to flame, voting rights shall be suspended.

Additionally, when debating legislation, it must be done IC.

OOC: Wachovia isn't large, compared to Fort Knox or several banks in Densmark.

Cortellen wishes to know who made British Londinium prosiding officer?

Cortellen wishes to know who made British Londinium prosiding officer?

He did. He is the officer because it is his basic proposal to be adding such things.

Since I apparently am one of the few individuals familiar with parliamentary procedure, the plenipotentary from my nation took the office, despite the fact that there was not a vote.

In order for a fair law, we must allow nations to choose.

He did. He is the officer because it is his basic proposal to be adding such things.

We are of the opinion that if that infact is the reason then it should be changed because it goes against the equality that this League seemed to promise when we joined.

In order for a fair law, we must allow nations to choose.

Not really, people chose the Declaration of Independace, and that wasn't really fair, was it? We still had slaves even though it said all men are equal, eh?

OOC: A fair law? I do not pass laws. I ensure that there is order. Until such time that every member knows Parliamentary Procedure like the back of his hand, I shall remain presiding officer.

We are of the opinion that if that infact is the reason then it should be changed because it goes against the equality that this League seemed to promise when we joined.

Then when you propose an addition you, yourself will not be able to be the leading officer, nor change the ammendment to get others to accept.

OOC: Again, I DO NOT lead. I DO NOT make laws. I DO NOT add amendments.

What I do:

I DO ensure fair debate.
I DO ensure that there is order.
I DO ensure that parliamentary procedure is maintained.

OOC: Now, let's get back to debate.
IC:

The plenipotentary from British Londinium would like to ask all nations standing in opposition to this legislation to voice their concerns, so that they may be properly addressed.

Bump, spike, set, score.

Cortellen has already voiced their conserns. For many reasons we do not wish to give up our current currency. If you wish our support make the adoption volentary.

Cortellen, you can not say that you will vote if x, y, and z are fulfilled. Either you vote for the bill in its entirety, or you fail it in its entirety. The only way to change the bill is to write an amendment, which requires a majority approval.

We are very well aware of that and are ready to vote to fail the bill. We were however pointing out that if you really want it to pass we would be willing to vote for it if the adoption of the currency was not required. We will not propose an amendment because a central bank, while helpfull, is not seen by Cortellen as something needed for this League.

Very well. Now, if you wish to begin voting before 0300 gmt, you may make a motion for the previous question, which requires a 2/3 vote.

The vote is already occuring at 0300. Do you wish to vote earlier than that? If so, call the previous question.

Since we see no farther debate needed we propse the vote start at 2200 GMT.

The motion is recognized. You must have three other members vote for your motion.

The government of British Londinium votes against the motion.

Gold is a very unreliable substance. It is in short supply. It's heavy and unconvieient. It would be hard to change currencies. Therefor we need to keep the current currencies!

Nova Aquaria, please vote on the motion to begin voting at 2200 GMT, or 1700 EST.

Gold is a very unreliable substance. It is in short supply. It's heavy and unconvieient. It would be hard to change currencies. Therefor we need to keep the current currencies!

This is not true bu... you know what. These arguements against gold are completely un-founded and are just going around in circles. I give up, your ignorant stubborance is annoying me.

OOC: Reminder - one hour and ten minutes until voting begins.

The Government of British Londinium votes for this legislation.

Cortellen votes against this.

The Democratic Constitutional Monarchy votes against the legislation.

The Democratic Constitutional Monarchy votes against the legislation.

Cortellen would like to thank the Democratic Constitutional Monarchy in its support.

The Imperial Republic votes against this.

As does Laquasa. Therefor, a 2/3 majority has been obtained. The legislation did not pass.

Ambassador Xavier Fey's Proposed Legislature:

We devide the Alliance into two branches.

One Branch would be our military fist, they must be the second to fourth strongest nations in the alliance.

The Second Branch would wage the war, they would be the most cool-headed and intelligent nations.

A member of One Branch and be a member of Second Branch. The Branches' names may change.

The Reason Why: I proposed this as I've seen countless war-mongering nations in alliances attack outsides, and would cause to massive alliance wars. Even if the originial aggressor had been expelled from the alliance, the other alliance usually goes for more land, now that they have a politically sound reason to not have to worry about a counter attack by other nation alliances.

Next on the docket would be to start debate on my propsed bill would it not?

Yes. Debate is to begin immediately. Voting shall begin at 2100 hrs EST tomorrow unless noted otherwise.

Ok the proposed bill is this

Diplomatic Relations Bill:
I The League's members will help smaller nations with little to no army and a small or nonexistant defence budget by giving money or troops to the nations.
II All of the League's members will have embassies in each member country.
III The League's members will try to solve any conflicts any member nations get in to by diplomacy.

The reasons behind the sections and why Cortellen thinks such would be important is this.

"I The League's members will help smaller nations with little to no army and a small or nonexistant defence budget by giving money or troops to the nations." That is important because of two reasons, one if say British Londinium goes to war the League will support them and every nation with a military will lend forces but nations with no military like Cortellen will only be able to say Sorry here have some money. That is an insult that we will be one of the only nations not sending men from our country to fight in aid of our allies. The other reason is if a nation with little to no military is attacked the nation will have to call for help to this League and watch the League fight its battles for it which is also an insult.

"II All of the League's members will have embassies in each member country." is a diplomatic relations token. Although most diplomatic relations will happen here sending a diplomat to other member nations is a gesture of friendship.

"III The League's members will try to solve any conflicts any member nations get in to by diplomacy." Cortellen realizes that not all nations wish to solve problems diplomaitly. The point of this is if possible save lives and shorten wars by trying to come to a diplomatic solution while the war is raging. Shortening wars will help keep infrastructure intact, save civilian lives, and distrupt a country less.

The Government of British Londinium points out that Clause IV is far too vague. Under the vague terms given, this legislation could prevent the League from going to war. After all, war status is considered "bad diplomatic relations".

The Government of British Londinium points out that Clause IV is far too vague. Under the vague terms given, this legislation could prevent the League from going to war. After all, war status is considered "bad diplomatic relations".

Cortellen realizes this is true, and as such will amend the bill by taking IV out.

Can our ambassador vote?

Whilst I would be willing to allow this, it is not my decision. A vote is required, so all nations must vote on this proposal to allow the Gente Del Aguan ambassador to vote.

Cortellen votes no. Gente Del Agua is not a part of the League so they should get no say in League bills.

Whilst I would be willing to allow this, it is not my decision. A vote is required, so all nations must vote on this proposal to allow the Gente Del Aguan ambassador to vote.

Gente Del Aguan = The Ambassador of the Socialist Militaristic Empire of Latica, or simply the Latican Ambassador

Cortellen votes no. Gente Del Agua is not a part of the League so they should get no say in League bills.

Yes, but we've funded your league the most, and have a large army behind your back. ALL of yours, even you. You military blunder of a nation.

OOC: I like you, but my nation look down on gov't w/ little or no defence funding.

Yes, but we've funded your league the most, and have a large army behind your back. ALL of yours, even you. You military blunder of a nation.

OOC: I like you, but my nation look down on gov't w/ little or no defence funding.

OOC: Don't worry I don't take offence to it. In fact I am trying to figure out a way to get defence funding that the people of Cortellen would accept.

IC: If we remember correctly the league never once asked for those things, therefore to hold that over our heads is a very low thing to do. If we had known you would do such a thing when you gave this we would have fought to have the league not accept it. Cortellen is thankfull for your support, don't get us wrong but if your support means you try to force your way into a league you do not qualify for we would rather not have your support.

We're not trying to force our way into the league, we want to help build the league. We want our voices to be heard and made a difference. We have never tried to get into the league, not even tried to change the constituiton (Which you need to update, Nova) to allow our kind of goverment in. We realize that our kind of goverments are bad for your kind of alliance, on the average. This is one of the few alliances we have positive relationships with and we intend to keep this alliance strong.

OOC: Cortellen, in fact, has a defence budget of $0.00.
IC:
The Londinian plenipotentiary votes in favour of the motion.

OOC: Cortellen, in fact, has a defence budget of $0.00.
IC:
The Londinian plenipotentiary votes in favour of the motion.


What did you vote for? For me to vote, or the other bill he proposed? BTW Cortellan we would vote in favor of your new bill.

We're not trying to force our way into the league, we want to help build the league. We want our voices to be heard and made a difference. We have never tried to get into the league, not even tried to change the constituiton (Which you need to update, Nova) to allow our kind of goverment in. We realize that our kind of goverments are bad for your kind of alliance, on the average. This is one of the few alliances we have positive relationships with and we intend to keep this alliance strong.

We are glad for the support but Cortellen sees allowing you this ability to have a say as a weakening for the simple fact that if we let one do it it would be hipocritcal to say no to other nations who wish the same as you.

What did you vote for? For me to vote, or the other bill he proposed? BTW Cortellan we would vote in favor of your new bill.

OOC: I know and thats a hard thing. I want this passed, Cortellen wants this passed but as it was just stated Cortellen does not want to see other nations attempt to buy their way into having a say. So if you can build a strong enough case you might be able to sway Cortellen to say yes.

:D We are glad for the support but Cortellen sees allowing you this ability to have a say as a weakening for the simple fact that if we let one do it it would be hipocritcal to say no to other nations who wish the same as you.

Not if they have showed a degree of support and loyalty to your cause as we have. It would not be hypocriticial so say to other nations, like mine, that wish to be allowed to VOTE, nothing else, and say "Sorry, but you must prove your self as the Socialistic Militaristic Empire of Latica has." If they are a sober a cool-headed nation they will understand.

OOC: As you can see, I love to debate :D

OOC: I know and thats a hard thing. I want this passed, Cortellen wants this passed but as it was just stated Cortellen does not want to see other nations attempt to buy their way into having a say. So if you can build a strong enough case you might be able to sway Cortellen to say yes.

Working on it, Bro. I like the way you keep IC and OOC feeling seperate. -OOC

:D

Not if they have showed a degree of support and loyalty to your cause as we have. It would not be hypocriticial so say to other nations, like mine, that wish to be allowed to VOTE, nothing else, and say "Sorry, but you must prove your self as the Socialistic Militaristic Empire of Latica has." If they are a sober a cool-headed nation they will understand.

OOC: As you can see, I love to debate :D

OOC: I love debating as well; done it for eight years, each year rocked out loud. :D

IC:
Seeing Latica's immense support for the league, and noting that this alliance would be far weaker without Latica, British Londinium urges an affirmative vote.

:D

Not if they have showed a degree of support and loyalty to your cause as we have. It would not be hypocriticial so say to other nations, like mine, that wish to be allowed to VOTE, nothing else, and say "Sorry, but you must prove your self as the Socialistic Militaristic Empire of Latica has." If they are a sober a cool-headed nation they will understand.

OOC: As you can see, I love to debate :D

Cortellen concides that Latica has a point. We see several pluses to you being allowed to vote but we must stop to wonder what would be best for the league. At this moment Cortellen still stands unconvinced that allowing Latica to vote would in the end be for the greater good of the league.

OOC: Keeping them seperate is something I learned to do long ago. I give each thing I roleplay its own little life and go at every situation thinking ok how would (insert what I am roleplaying as here) react to this situation? For example while the Head of State of Cortellen and over half the members of the People's Council recoinze the need for a military a large part of Cortellen's population will be angry.

Cortellen concides that Latica has a point. We see several pluses to you being allowed to vote but we must stop to wonder what would be best for the league. At this moment Cortellen still stands unconvinced that allowing Latica to vote would in the end be for the greater good of the league.

OOC: Keeping them seperate is something I learned to do long ago. I give each thing I roleplay its own little life and go at every situation thinking ok how would (insert what I am roleplaying as here) react to this situation? For example while the Head of State of Cortellen and over half the members of the People's Council recoinze the need for a military a large part of Cortellen's population will be angry.


When you start off any orginizations, you must think of the present. Although, the future is important, you need to get off your feet. How about such as this. You allow us to vote in the next two or three bills and see how you like our decisions, and if we fail to show you at such time the results you are so eager to see we shall discountinue our voting privelage. We will not whine, infact I will leave myself (Xavier Fey) one of Empire's best ambassador's as a hostage if we resist even slightly.

OOC: Lol, I get hott tempered sometimes, so it's a trait I admire in others.

Nova Aquaria proposes that The Latican Empire join the LFR, and be able to provide a vote.

Nova Aquaria proposes that The Latican Empire join the LFR, and be able to provide a vote.

Look at our goverment type though, my loyal allie, Nova Aquaria. It will not work.

OOC: Up date your constituiton, a few times eh? Or maybe British Londium should do so on the HC of LFR

A "Capitalist Paradise" is fully compatible with the LFR.

Cortellen agrees to Latican offer, but only on the condition that they do not join. If Latican agrees to our condition we will change our vote to yes.

Cortellen agrees to Latican offer, but only on the condition that they do not join. If Latican agrees to our condition we will change our vote to yes.

We agree fully and whole-hearidly. *Reaches for a handshake* You're a very hard costumor, but non-the-less you were a fun one to work with. Have a nice day, and may our two nations prosper, and the alliance, from this treaty.

We wish for only the best for the league. Cortellen changes its vote to yes, now one more yes vote and we can get back to debating the Diplomatic Relations bill. Cortellen would like to hear the Lactian position on this bill is.

The Democratic Constitutional Monarchy agrees with the Diplomatic Relations Bill for the most part, except for the part where it says a member state must give money or soldiers to a smaller member state. The Democratic Constitutional Monarchy does not believe it should be forced to give monetary assistance and soldiers to a nation simply because of their lack thereof. The Democratic Constitutional Monarchy itself lacks a military, despite its 4.011 billion population.

The Democratic Constitutional Monarchy agrees with the Diplomatic Relations Bill for the most part, except for the part where it says a member state must give money or soldiers to a smaller member state. The Democratic Constitutional Monarchy does not believe it should be forced to give monetary assistance and soldiers to a nation simply because of their lack thereof. The Democratic Constitutional Monarchy itself lacks a military, despite its 4.011 billion population.

Cortellen would like to point out that debate on this bill is closed until we get at least one more vote to allow The Latican Empire the ability to vote.

The Democratic Constitutional Monarchy agrees with the Diplomatic Relations Bill for the most part, except for the part where it says a member state must give money or soldiers to a smaller member state. The Democratic Constitutional Monarchy does not believe it should be forced to give monetary assistance and soldiers to a nation simply because of their lack thereof. The Democratic Constitutional Monarchy itself lacks a military, despite its 4.011 billion population.

Nuevo Acatico also lacks a military force. However, we propose that we give a choice to give new members several billion USD, and several nuclear missiles, as larger bully nations tend to use nuclear weaponry as an advantage.

As we are not apart of this alliance we will not be forced to devote any aid, but we do see a very good point. I believe that (If you see a bill I requested to be debated on on page 6 or 5) One Branch should devote military aid to the nations and Second Branch should provide the money. On all the other sections in this bill we agree. We would also request that our bill and your bill be combined to make a satifactory option for the members of the alliance, particularly, Maraque.Those are our views.

Ambassador to the League of Free Republic's High Council,
Ambassador Xavier Fey

The Democratic Constitutional Monarchy agrees with the motion to allow the Latican Empire to vote.

The Latican plenipotentiary is hereby allowed to vote.

As do we.

As we are not apart of this alliance we will not be forced to devote any aid, but we do see a very good point. I believe that (If you see a bill I requested to be debated on on page 6 or 5) One Branch should devote military aid to the nations and Second Branch should provide the money. On all the other sections in this bill we agree. We would also request that our bill and your bill be combined to make a satifactory option for the members of the alliance, particularly, Maraque.Those are our views.

Ambassador to the League of Free Republic's High Council,
Ambassador Xavier Fey

Does anyone agree with this proposal to ammend that part of the constituinol several of you seem to deem flawed? If so, than it shall be as killing to birds with only one stone.

His and Her Majesties' Government supports this amendment.

Additionally, all constitutional amendments will be posted on this thread. Nova Aquaria must update the constitution as needed.

We, as the proposed ammenders of this bill also vote yes.

The Democratic Constitutional Monarchy votes yes.

Only one more vote is necessary for the amendment to pass.

Wow, is it me, or have a done good in this alliance? :cool: :D

Wow, is it me, or have a done good in this alliance? :cool: :D

OOC: You have, and we love you :p

OOC: You have, and we love you :p

Yay :Starts dancing and like twenty chicks come over, then invites the rest of LFR to dance w. the gurlzz: :p :D

Cortellen will vote yes on the amendment but wishes to be sure that the amendment will partain only to a military of the League and not any present or future military of any member nation.

Cortellen will vote yes on the amendment but wishes to be sure that the amendment will partain only to a military of the League and not any present or future military of any member nation.

OOC: Layman's terms please. Kind of confused me.

OOC: Layman's terms please. Kind of confused me.

OOC: Pretty much this would only apply to a military the League may have and not all militaries of all member nations.

We agree with the bill that has our additional ammendment.

So to be clear Cortellen and the Latican Empire vote yes with no no votes correct?

So to be clear Cortellen and the Latican Empire vote yes with no no votes correct?

Yes, and I believe everyone who voted yes to the ammendment basically voted yes to the bill with the added ammendment. This SHOULD be true, but one of the nations that voted yes, may have second thoughts about the bill as a whole.

The amendment has passed and as soon as we get two more clear yes votes the bill will also be passed.

The amendment is hereby passed. The constitution is to be amended to add an additional article, to read as follows:

In order more effectively to achieve the objectives of this Treaty, the Parties, separately and jointly, by means of continuous and effective self-help and mutual aid, will maintain and develop their collective capacity to resist armed attack.

Two councils shall govern the League. The first is the Military High Command, which shall have four military officers from each member nation in the command. The second is the Civilian Committee, which is in charge of all things not of a military nature.


OOC: I made a judgement call, seeing the widespread support for the bill and amendment. If more than 1/3 of members object, than I shall reverse my decision.

Apologies in advance.

The amendment is hereby passed. The constitution is to be amended to add an additional article, to read as follows:

In order more effectively to achieve the objectives of this Treaty, the Parties, separately and jointly, by means of continuous and effective self-help and mutual aid, will maintain and develop their collective capacity to resist armed attack.

Two councils shall govern the League. The first is the Military High Command, which shall have four military officers from each member nation in the command. The second is the Civilian Committee, which is in charge of all things not of a military nature.


OOC: I made a judgement call, seeing the widespread support for the bill and amendment. If more than 1/3 of members object, than I shall reverse my decision.

Apologies in advance.


I was thinking that the Military High Command would be lead by One or Two Nations, these two nations would give their full military support or atleast 50% of it (unless at war) to the protection of the attacked nation.

OOC: Well, I envisioned the MHC controlling the entirety of the armed forces in times of unified action, but as you are the author.

Name which nations ought to be on the council.

OOC: Well, I envisioned the MHC controlling the entirety of the armed forces in times of unified action, but as you are the author.

Name which nations ought to be on the council.

Simply take a census of the military capabilities of every member of the League of Free Republics. My nations shall of course send its military in the name of your nation where ever it is needed.

I think it would be me and you, seeing as we're the largest...

I think it would be me and you, seeing as we're the largest...

But since he is not part of the league he isnt eligable.

He is - the motion was to grant him representation, therefore, he is.

Furthermore, he has the second largest military of all of us.

He is - the motion was to grant him representation, therefore, he is.

Furthermore, he has the second largest military of all of us.

No that was to allow him voting rights and thats it.

Our military strength would be severely impaired without Latica.

Our military strength would be severely impaired without Latica.

We know that but we voted for his voting rights with the knowladge that it was only for voting. He offering his military eather way.

We know that but we voted for his voting rights with the knowladge that it was only for voting. He offering his military eather way.

This is true. May I ask who has the largest military?

OOC: Going off the ".05 of your population can be in the armed forces" maxim, I would.

OOC: The military budget matters more, IE Equipment and Gear and such.

I'm small, but have a decent enough military. I spend over 100 billion, which is good for a nation of 62 million.

OOC: Going off the ".05 of your population can be in the armed forces" maxim, I would.

Remeber: 5% is usually your males ages 18-30. So, after a while that can have serious economic impacts. So in peace time, I would keep it at about 2.5%, so you have some to fall back on and not have a bad economy.

Our military strength would be severely impaired without Latica.

I am the third largest. I spend quite close to the amount that Latica does.

Yes, but the strogest one in the LFR is Brydog. Let's do something. Like topple a nazi regime! I suggest Atopiana. He seems like a real threat.

Laquasa: Funding wise, you spend the same. Size-wise, you are smaller.

Nuevo Acuatico: I would recommend not doing so, as Atopiana is a) massive and b) prone to launching thousands of nukes.

I think we should think about some sort of internation intervention. Get the League's name out there.

Under no circumstances can the League perform an intervention or engage in military action just for "advertising" purposes.

Of course not. The entire purpose would not to be just to say look here is the League. We suggested it for two reasons. The first and most important is to right a wrong. The second reason and the second prioity is to show people where we stand on issues.

Very well - but we must select a good target.

Whilst nations such as Atopiana and Skgorria do stand against what the league believes in, it is impractical to believe that that we can take them on, as they have a combined population of 10 billion.

Cortellen would like to see the fall of a Communist nation. Or maybe Cotenshire.

The Democratic Constitutional Monarchy would like to know why Cotenshire should be considered?

OOC: Die, Cotenshire!
IC:

If you could list a few reasons as to why Cotenshire is a viable target, we could begin voting.

OOC: Yes Cotenshire should.

IC: 1. Their selfless promotion of their religion no matter what goes against the freedom that this League stands for.
2. Their allowing of their religion to control them also goes against the freedom this League stadns for.
3. Their threats towards Nova Brittanica which if war breaks out would put Cortellen citizens at risk. Both our embassy and the scientists located in Nova Brittanica's Lunar Colony.

We are now in line to begin debating the following:

Whereas, Cotenshire poses a clear and present danger to League citizensm and,
Whereas, Cotenshire stands against the fundamental values of this League,
Be it resolved by this Council here assembled that: military action be taken against the nation of Cotenshire.

The first two points are illegitimate. The last point, however may be reasonable once I receive and understand the situation better. Care to elaborate?

Cotenshire attempted to spread their religion to Nova Brittanica's space colony. Saying they would acnologe the claim and they talked about how "a claim made in god's name was a legaly binding claim". Once Nova Brittanica refused to allow them to spread their religion. Cotenshire became very mad and started talking about how the claim that Nova Brittanica has on their Lunar Colony is not legally binding and so on. They then hinted at military action against both Nova Brittanica and their Lunar Colony. Cortellen currently has 10 scientists on this colony and any military action agains said colony will most assuridly not only kill these scientists but destory their research. Also if a war starts and military action is seen in the capital the Cortellen Embassy may be damaged and Cortellen emassaries may be killed.

The Democratic Constitutional monarchy thanks Cortellen for the information and will be voting no on the legislation on the grounds that promoting religion is not a crime, just a nuisance, and that the 2nd point of their "allowing religion to control them" is none of our business and initiating an attack upon them for such a reason is a violation of their sovereignty, and out of the bounds of our alliance on the grounds that they are not bound by our laws since they are not a part of said alliance. However, on the 3rd point we believe a quintilateral (e.g. five nations: Cortellen, Cotenshire, Nova Brittanica, British Londinium and myself) diplomatic meeting in a neutral territory would resolve this rather than going to war and wasting away lives that do not deserve to die under something so trivial as this.

That is a possible idea Maraque. Let us see how the rest of the League feels about this.

Also to make clear: If Cotenshire were to attack, the Democratic Constitutional Monarchy will not hesitate to attack them in defense for one of its allies.

That is very reassuring. Thank you.

The Government of British Londinium supports such a diplomatic meeting.

We would like to say that the Socialist Militaristic Empire of Latica will NOT help you in offensive wars, unless they fire nuclear warheads, or any WMD. Also if it looks as if you are going to lose we will intervene.

Also, don't pick/start wars unless you have an incredible solid reason to, reason is it could turn into a large alliance war. Make sure this nations has NO connections with larger nations or smaller nations that have connection to larger nations.

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OOC: I think this kinda died.

How, it's your High Council, as long as LFR Lives this must stay alive too, anyways post in our Neo-Panzer Pro. Line thread.

Cortellen wishes the aid of the League. Our scientists on Nova Brittianica's moon colony Are effectivly being held hostage. All the data they have collected is going to be forcably taken from them before they are allowed to leave in a few months. Cortellen does not wish this and as soon as the law allowing us defence funding goes through which should be very soon we intend to do something about it but we can not do anything alone and we need the aid of the League. Will anyone help us?

OOC: I'll send the forces, but im too lazy right now, and have a few personnal problems to deal with. So you'll have to RP them.

IC: We will send a Corp of Grand Imperial Jimuhn troops in your name to take back the station. You will need to take them there via space craft as we do not have any spacial programs other than our satelites.

OOC 2: If you need more, you can have up to 200,000 troops, sorry but I just have to much on my plate right now.

OOC: Its ok I understand. I am not going to send them now though. Also I would like as many as I can get becuase I have little doubt that such actions will lead to a war.

IC:
Cortellen is thankful for the support already being shown. We do wish for more help because we expect this to lead to all out war. Cortellen faces a long road all because Nova Brittanica could not share something as large as the moon.

OOC: Only if WAR breaks out you can you... ehh lets say six million of my troops, plus my whole Bulshivok corps. (just search Bulshivok, and you'll see it) Again you'll have to RP them

IC: We understand, if WAR breaks out we will devote six million troops to your cause and the entirety of the Bulshivok corps to your cause. Please, do not go war craving, as we understand this new rush of power can be over-whelming and yes we know, we felt it once too.

OOC: Thank you.

IC:
Cortellen does not wish a war. We wish the safe return of our scientists and their research and that is all. Since it does not look like they will be given peacefully we are going to drastic measures which will proably be met with armed force. Even more since they think we are pushovers.