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With news that Duckquackmuse and various other nations have annouced that they are Going Green, the Freeland of Duckquackmuse would like to annouce that we are holding a conference. We hereby invite all nations to come to a Conference in the Venoire Centre of the Capital City of Duckquackmuse.

We would like to discuss various options and practicallities in "Going Green" and hopefull encourage other Nations to follow in the footsteps of green nations. The Environment is a global issue, something which is increasingly effecting our daily lives: This is not about unpractical Environmentalists. We wish to put foward and discuss some phesible solutions for the future. Such as:


Methanol Gas Plants
Bio-fuels and Ethanol Powered cars
Solar Energy
Hydro-Electric Energy


All of these options seem to be the best solutions, but remember we are here to discuss please put foward more suggestions.

Hopefully by the end of the Conference we shall have come to some conclusions and drawn up a plan of action, if you will.

The President of The Freeland of Duckquackmuse

The Imperial Democratic Republic of Nova Brittanica would like to send the Deputy Minister of Economy and Environment to the meeting. As we've already "Gone Green", our experience will be quite helpful to other nations at the Conference.

The Imperial Democratic Republic of Nova Brittanica would like to send the Deputy Minister of Economy and Environment to the meeting. As we've already "Gone Green", our experience will be quite helpful to other nations at the Conference.

Thank you for your support. If your flying in please ensure you plant 2 trees somewhere before or after you fly.

Hydro-electric plants have certain problems, they require damming of rivers. Some of the newer models on a smaller scale, hydro-turbines are more distributed and do not block off rivers or damage fishing.

You might also look at development of regenerative fuel cells for the future, and development of solar electrolysis of water to produce hydrogen fuels.

Wind Energy is currently the most developed of alternative energies and also the most profitable. Wind turbines can be designed so they do not damage bird populations.

We are sending,

Barbie Ohyay, Minister of the Environment to the conference.

My nation went green a long time ago.
Not as an environmental measure, my country cares little for that, but as a sustainability measure.
We use Geothermal and hydroelectric power to deal with all our energy needs, though we do use oil to create fuel for our military.
But seriously, geothermal is the way to go.

Geothermal is not the way to go. Geothermal is only available in mountainous areas or near hot springs in modern tech. Geothermal works in countries like Iceland, and other places with lots of volcanic activity. It could provide part of a countries power, but far from all of it.

If you are talking about PMT or Future Tech, then you would be able to make deep geothermal taps, but not with the current state of modern technology. Add 20 years and it would be able to provide almost limitless energy with deep drilling equipment.

That's not entirely true, Commonalitarianism. The sort of technology you're talking about is well within modern technological reach, it just isn't commercially viable yet. Basically, if coal weren't so cheap and heavily subsidized, we'd have them. But then we'd also pay more for energy. Technological viability and commercial viability are different. And you're assessment that it may take a full generation for it to become commercially viable is probably pretty accurate, given the lack of consistent and concentrated research in this field.

The Enivironment Minsiter Charl Wanindon stood on the speaking platform and spoke regarding the topics that had risen during the day.

"Duckquackmuse would not be a suitable place for geothermal [ its situated in the south of France.] Also geothermal is not an endless supply, if you use the hot rocks to make steam (by taking them out of the ground etc), as the rocks run out. In our area there are not many good places for dams, and we do not want to deface the Alps.

We think Methanol is our best options and we have already built suitable plants in the country. We are also installing wind turbines and have started an iniative for the public to design what they look like (in the specifications) and then vote on it for PR purposes.

Now we would like to invite those countries that have "Gone Green" to stand and speak on how they became the way they are now"

He sat down.

Northern Coal Industries is interested in purchasing all, if any, remaining fossil fuel companies and their assets in Duckquackmuse or in fact any green nation.

The Enivironment Minsiter Charl Wanindon stood on the speaking platform and spoke regarding the topics that had risen during the day.

"Duckquackmuse would not be a suitable place for geothermal [ its situated in the south of France.] Also geothermal is not an endless supply, if you use the hot rocks to make steam (by taking them out of the ground etc), as the rocks run out. In our area there are not many good places for dams, and we do not want to deface the Alps.

We think Methanol is our best options and we have already built suitable plants in the country. We are also installing wind turbines and have started an iniative for the public to design what they look like (in the specifications) and then vote on it for PR purposes.

Now we would like to invite those countries that have "Gone Green" to stand and speak on how they became the way they are now"

He sat down.

Deputy Minister of Economics and the Environment, Alex Green, stood up. " I agree that geothermal energy is not the way to go. My nation uses four in patricular to power itself. Solar, tidal, dams, and wind. My nation's government has worked with corporations in order to find the lowest priced land, which also happens to have high winds. In combination with that, we sell miniature wind turbines to vehicle makers. When ever the vehicle goes fast, the wind pushes the wheels."

"However, many people don't like so wind turbines so we also use tidal energy. You place bouys (sp?) in the water, connect them to the turbines on the ocean floor with a chain. When ever a wave pushes the buoy up, the turbine rises from the bottom. When the wave leaves, the turbine goes back down."

"Since you don't like dams, I'll skip to solar power. We have researched solar panel technology quite a bit, and made a relativly cheap model. We sell them to home owners, businesses, automobile manufacturers, ship makers, all sorts of people! They put them on their roofs, parking lots, car tops, ship sides, and all sorts of other places, and produce energy. Now, this is all my nation has to say about energy production."

The deputy minister sat down.

There are several technologies fundamental to Sunya's energy system. However, one cannot declare Sunya as a totally "green" economy because of our heavy reliance on nuclear power for electricity generation. But a lack of petroleum has prompted our nation to develop several technologies that may be of interest.

The first is Ocean Thermal Energy Conversion technology. Essentially, the temperature variations between deep ocean water and surface water is utilized as a heat source to vaporize a liquid coolant, usually some sort of flourocarbon. The vapor is in turn used to turn a turbine before the cycle completes again. Fundamentally, this allows us to use the ocean as an enormous energy collector. This technology has been crucial to our development of a hydrogen economy. Electricity generated by OTEC is used to electrolyze water perviously superheated in a solar collector. Electrolysis is a far more efficient process in hot water than it is in cooler waters, thus allowing us to collect more hydrogen.

This technology has been deployed in offshore farms, which also act as anchors for the farming of giant kelp. The kelp is in turn subjected to anaerobic digestion, producing a gaseous hydrocarbon fuel similar to natural gas. Gas and hydrogen are the mainstay fuels of our transportation infrastructure, as well as being used as energy sources in remote locations, as we find it more efficient to transport gaseous fuels than to transport electricity over great distances, as piping does not have the associated resistance losses. Renewable energies, such as solar power and wind, are in common use in remote areas, thus reducing the overall demand on gas and hydrogen.

Another often overlooked endeavor is energy conservation. Through the use of geothermal source heat pumps as our means of heating and cooling, coupled with better building practices and the incorporation of photovoltaics into our construction, we've been able to substantially reduce our demand for electricity, insuring that existing supplies of fissionable fuels, our only real nonrenewable fuel for electricy, will be more than sufficient to meet our electricity demands into the future.

Deputy Minister of Economics and the Environment, Alex Green, stood up. " I agree that geothermal energy is not the way to go. My nation uses four in patricular to power itself. Solar, tidal, dams, and wind. My nation's government has worked with corporations in order to find the lowest priced land, which also happens to have high winds. In combination with that, we sell miniature wind turbines to vehicle makers. When ever the vehicle goes fast, the wind pushes the wheels."

"However, many people don't like so wind turbines so we also use tidal energy. You place bouys (sp?) in the water, connect them to the turbines on the ocean floor with a chain. When ever a wave pushes the buoy up, the turbine rises from the bottom. When the wave leaves, the turbine goes back down."

"Since you don't like dams, I'll skip to solar power. We have researched solar panel technology quite a bit, and made a relativly cheap model. We sell them to home owners, businesses, automobile manufacturers, ship makers, all sorts of people! They put them on their roofs, parking lots, car tops, ship sides, and all sorts of other places, and produce energy. Now, this is all my nation has to say about energy production."

The deputy minister sat down.

Alex Green quickly rose again. "I forgot one thing, Nova Brittanica uses dams in the sewage system. No one cares that the sewage system is dammed, and no one sees it either."

The Sovereign Commonwealth of Ontario within a United Canada, in an effort to move to more environmentally friendly energy production, is preparing to begin uranium mining. While mining itself is never environmentally friendly, atomic power is clean and produces a lot of energy. Atomic power should feed the growing power demands of a burgeoning population without the cost of harmful emissions from hydrocarbon based power, the risk of flooding & mass environmental destruction from hydroelectric power, or the vast tracks of land that have to be set aside for large scale solar and wind generation.

In short, Ontario within Canada is preparing to implement and recommends to all nations a switch to atomic power.

This goes back into the past. During the 1930s the Commonalitarianism was a community of floating refugee barges. During that time, they were eventually driven out to sea in international waters. It was a harsh time which forced the Commonalitarianism to become partially self-sufficient during the period of 1935-1945. First wind was developed as an energy source. This was readily available. Then solar concentration mirrors were developed to drive steam turbines. This was before the era of photovoltaics so over time the solar concentrators became superior to most modern photovoltaics. This is true today, solar concentrators are both cheaper and produce more energy than photovoltaics. During the 1950s, a Doctor Sung developed the first wave generators which were similar to wind generators except for they ran using currents underwater. During the period of 1950-1970 kelp and algae were developed as biofuels replacing oil. During 1975, the first kelp biofuel refinery was built producing kelp biopolymers, vitamins extracted from kelp, and kelp biofuel. Further developments in energy were the production of the first scaled Ocean Thermal Electric Generators during the 1980s.

Recent research has started on the development of Deuterium-Deuterium Fusion generators using deuterium extracted from sea water. Also low ocean bed thermal sea vent generators are being developed. There has been some talk about launching solar power satellites from the equator. Most boats are run on a biofuel electric system. Recently some small boats have started running on hydrogen energy extracted from sea water. Boats are a much better candidate for hydrogen fuel than cars. There has been a breakthrough in solar electrolysis of water into hydrogen and oxygen using cheaper solar concentrators. Also clear solar glass for skyscrapers and city domes has been recently developed.

Cruon Commercial House, RFS-- Registered Family Syndicate is a large exporter of alternative energy products all over the world.

The Commonalitarianism in many ways is tied in with the development of ecotechnic technology, or a wind and water based civilization.

"On the issue of Nuclear power, we find this a very interesting source and we do currently use it a lot, Uranium Mining is our biggest industry. It adds a lot to the economy. However this is not an ideal situatioon and I'm sure everyone is aware of this risks it brings about.

The idea of damming the sewage system is also something we have considered, but we came to the conclusion that our sewage pipes are not big enough to create any energy from this, and also holding back sewage is not hygenic and would smell (there was a breif laugh in the hall)."

After the speach Charl Wanindon went over to the delegate of Nova Britainica, "Delightful to see you here I hope you are having a good time, I've been impressed by some the ideas you have put across. Also I have a proposal, our lead Envirnmental scientist has at the moment a new protege who has been showing great promise in the field. He is currently looking for a suitable place to go research the Environment more throughly and away from Duckquackmuse, to get away from his mentor for a while and study independantly. Would you be interested in having him come over and help your research into various alternative enrgy sources?"

"On the issue of Nuclear power, we find this a very interesting source and we do currently use it a lot, Uranium Mining is our biggest industry. It adds a lot to the economy. However this is not an ideal situatioon and I'm sure everyone is aware of this risks it brings about.

The idea of damming the sewage system is also something we have considered, but we came to the conclusion that our sewage pipes are not big enough to create any energy from this, and also holding back sewage is not hygenic and would smell (there was a breif laugh in the hall)."

After the speach Charl Wanindon went over to the delegate of Nova Britainica, "Delightful to see you here I hope you are having a good time, I've been impressed by some the ideas you have put across. Also I have a proposal, our lead Envirnmental scientist has at the moment a new protege who has been showing great promise in the field. He is currently looking for a suitable place to go research the Environment more throughly and away from Duckquackmuse, to get away from his mentor for a while and study independantly. Would you be interested in having him come over and help your research into various alternative energy sources?"

Alex Green looked at Charl Wanindon, and replied, "Yes, my nation would be willing to have the protege over for a period of time. When can we have him over? It would be nice to get some advice on other energy sources we could use."

Alex Green looked at Charl Wanindon, and replied, "Yes, my nation would be willing to have the protege over for a period of time. When can we have him over? It would be nice to get some advice on other energy sources we could use."

"Can he some this summer, as this would be the best time for him to study the weather? It's interesting you ask that because at the moment he is complying a list of energy that have not been considered closely, obviously I've not a clue what he's going to come up with, but I believe one does involve the use of old electrical equipment."

"Can he some this summer, as this would be the best time for him to study the weather? It's interesting you ask that because at the moment he is complying a list of energy that have not been considered closely, obviously I've not a clue what he's going to come up with, but I believe one does involve the use of old electrical equipment."

"Yes, summer would be the perfect time to have him over. I cannot wait to here what he has to say about our energy production methods. After all, I'm the only balance between the hard left environmentalists and the hard right buisnessmen. His advice will be a welcome relief to all the criticism."