NationStates Jolt Archive

Knowing: Of the knowledge of Slavery in the nation known as The Heavily Armed Empire of Clandonia Prime.
Witnessing: as the nation suspended all democracy and put the nation under a military junta.
Understanding: That the war on Sovistan is no longer about defending your nation but instead a plan to mass abduct the people of Sovistan for slavery.

In a 13 to 4 vote, The Lone Alliance Demands that all Slaves in the nation of Clandonia Prime will be released from this unlawful actions.

Failure to comply will leave us no choice but to forcably rescue all slaves from your nation.

-Lone Alliance

Bishop Daivd Uriah, President: We in Edwardis understand your zeal for ending unjust slavery around the world. However, we would like to remind the Lone Alliance that democracy is not necessary for morality and request that she amend her demands to only include the emancipation of slaves in Clandonia Prime.

Please understand that this is an executive request, and that the President does not speak for the Senate, which determines policy for our nation.

How about I paid you five billion to shut up and not mess with Clandonia forever? It will save you some lives of your men and give you five billion to blow on something like women and drugs. As you have started a war with the Dominion Commonwealth, not only Clandonia.

~ The Lord Marshall

OOC: It's right becasue you attack one, you attack us all.

Bishop Daivd Uriah, President: We in Edwardis understand your zeal for ending unjust slavery around the world. However, we would like to remind the Lone Alliance that democracy is not necessary for morality and request that she amend her demands to only include the emancipation of slaves in Clandonia Prime.

Please understand that this is an executive request, and that the President does not speak for the Senate, which determines policy for our nation.

Very well then. The reasoning behind the second demand is that until recently the Junta was supposedly only an intermn government. But we will remove that demand. -Response

How about I paid you five billion to shut up and not mess with Clandonia forever? It will save you some lives of your men and give you five billion to blow on something like women and drugs. As you have started a war with the Dominion Commonwealth, not only Clandonia.

~ The Lord Marshall

We will need to discuss this, all military actions by our nation are on hold in the meantime. Diplomatic discussion may continue however.

OOC: I've never planned a war really, more of a grab and run by Black Operators.

Official Clandonian Response

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This talk of slavery is all lies and the internal affairs of a country have nothing to do with you. Your communist lies and your actions to support terrorist forces in Sovistan have already shown that you are prepared to steep low in support of those who have killed thousands of Clandonian citizens in the violent and bloody civil war that erupted after the death of Lord Governer Lancer.

There are no slaves in Clandonia, migrant workers flock to the country for its democratic qualities and its high wages. You are just trying to threaten our existence as a principle of Clandonias aspired free market economy, your men will die in any attempt to land on Clandonian soil.

Lone Alliance Response

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We would like to remind the ignorant dictatorship currently running the former free market democratic nation, that our nation now pratices limited but increasing Free Market Economics, the pure socialist system was reformed and limited in a vote over 3 years ago, further more our 'lies' can be proven using public and private intercepted messages from the very war in which you speak of. However, if you can provide proof that these are 'migrant workers' or at least simply 'second Class citizens' with a sub standard wage, instead of slaves. If you have nothing to hide then you have no reason to refuse.
-Lone Alliance

We would like to remind ignorant dictatorship currently running the former democratic nation, that our nation pratices Free Market Economics, the pure socialist system was reformed and limited in a vote over 3 years ago, further more our 'lies' can be proven using public and private intercepted messages from the very war in which you speak of, if you can provide proof that these are 'migrant workers' or at least simply 'second Class citizens' with a sub standard wage, instead of slaves then we have no qualm.

-Lone Alliance Response

Official Clandonian Response

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The very fact that you tax your citizens at 100%, your GDP per capita is a measly for a nation of your size showing the economic oppresion that you place on your people. You are welcome any day to view the pleasent workers housing camps at the uranium mines at Kirkland or the ship builders at Danskeran and talk to the happy workers who earn a good $30,000 a year.

OOC: Actually in my nation there is no Salary. Hence the 100% tax rate.
"Tax Free Bonuses" are the means of income, and since bonuses are determined by the quality of work, the lazy get less money and therefore less benefits. Plus my nation gets bad luck when it comes to pro-business issues.

OOC: Actually in my nation there is no Salary. Hence the 100% tax rate.
"Tax Free Bonuses" are the means of income, and since bonuses are determined by the quality of work, the lazy get less money and therefore less benefits.

OOC: Oh right, even more justification to label you IC'ly a commie :p

OOC: Oh right, even more justification to label you IC'ly a commie :p
OOC: I thought the largest complaint of communism is that the slackers are treated just as good as the hard workers.

Communism: You don't work you still get paid.
Capitalist: You don't work, you get fired.
Mine: You don't work, you don't get paid, if it repeats you get fired.

OOC: I thought the largest complaint of communism is that the slackers are treated just as good as the hard workers.

Communism: You don't work you still get paid.
Capitalist: You don't work, you get fired.
Mine: You don't work, you don't get paid, if it repeats you get fired.

OOC: Mines more like uber capitalism, people who don't work die on the streets because they can't afford healthcare or to buy food.

OOC: Mines more like uber capitalism, people who don't work die on the streets because they can't afford healthcare or to buy food.

And people who work get shot for having a cold?

ooc Guys, if you're going to go into the whole "ZOMG NSTRACKER PENIS" mode, I bring you *drumroll* this (http://nstracker.retrogade.com/index.php?nation=clandonia+prime&nation2=catalasia). /ooc

The room was darkened, the curtains unclosed. Donovan Ladd sat at his massive bay window, staring out at the lights of the city two hundred metres below, his mind unfocused. He was thinking of the Divisions as usual. Since becoming leader of the Divisions, a few weeks ago, he had been envisioning an entirely new foreign policy.

Years ago, or so the stories went, the Archipelago had been held under the tyrannical rule of the nation of Czardas, before its defenders could fight a valiant civil war to free off the yoke of the oppressors and all their Sovereign League allies stood for, except maybe the libertarian capitalism part. While historians agreed that this perception of history could be a little bit slanted—and in fact the real truth was that the Archipelago (then Catalasia) had simply grown too large, so when it requested independence on threat of violence, Czardas had simply let it secede, with then-Foreign Minister Caverra's comment, "A fat lot of good those islands were doing us anyway."—Divisions politicians had always advocated spreading freedom and democracy to oppressed peoples worldwide.

"Had" was the key word. Since approximately twenty years ago, an increasing trend towards isolation had been seen amongst Divisions leaders. And Ladd was concerned with this trend. Recently, he had read of nations which actually still practiced slavery—of all things; this still made him shudder. Ladd's earliest memories were of working in the POW camps of occupied Kharkih Island, which had only been freed after the arrival of the Isselmere-Nielander designed Division Navy and its Marines; he vividly recalled watching those around him die of contagious diseases, the bodies of the dead covered with blood and welts, the cries of anguish and pain from behind the walls of poorly constructed torture chambers. It was an experience that had left him with severe mental trauma, including manic depression.

But what made Ladd particularly angry was that because, by proxy of several questionable mutual defence pacts and alliances, no-one was willing to challenge this disgusting, outdated practice. Quite simply, they feared that if they called Clandonia out Clandonia would in turn call its allies in the Dominion Commonwealth, who would call in their allies in Gholgoth, leading to -- in effect -- the biggest Gholgoth-related clusterfuck since Hellfire.

It was as he pondered these things that he heard a light tapping at his door and turned, bronze hair plastered to his forehead with sweat. It was his Defence Minister who entered, a dossier in hand.

"Good evening Premier... I trust I do not disturb you?"

"Not in the slightest, Gregor," Ladd said, waving his hand aside. "Sit down. Something to drink?"

"I'll have a water, no ice, thank you," Gregor Lyubovtsey said, seating himself and steepling his thick fingers, over his dark suit which nonetheless seemed to reflect even the sparse light streaming from the open window.

Ladd hit a button, opening a cabinet near his desk; without moving from his swivel chair, he reached in and pulled out a pitcher, pouring the transparent liquid within into a pair of glasses. "So what have you come for?"

Lyubovtsey leaned forward slightly, unlocking his hands and putting them back on the armrests. "Well, as you know our economy is having a bit of trouble managing with all that we spend on defence... you need something to galvanise your image as a young leader in the minds of the people... and my men need some work."

"Yes?"

"So I've been thinking... we should go to war. It'll be a useful political tool."

"Against whom?" Ladd was interested. One could tell because his eyes were twinkling.

"Well, against this nation," Lyubovtsey consulted his dossier, "Clandonia Prime. It has a terrible human rights record, the UN's labeled it a dictatorship, and it frequently goes about engaging in wanton acts of warfare and using nuclear weapons without regard for the consequences. Just such a nation as could be a real threat if it gets too much larger and more powerful -- a bit like Feline Catfish or Fascist White States. And look what happened to them."

Ladd was eager now. "I must say that's a quite good idea. Although, there is the problem of their allies... the Dominion Commonwealth claims that it will reinforce Clandonia no matter what the cost, and they can conceivably get Gholgothian backing..."

"I'm sure that if we explain our reasons to many of these 'allies' they will understand why we think of Clandonia as a threat, and possibly even support us," Lyubovtsey said. "For instance, a good number of Gholgoth and Dominion Commonwealth nations are actually democratic and free, and more are opposed to such forms of government and rule as--" he tapped the dossier. "Slavery, imperialism, warmongering dictatorship."

"Very well, you may begin mobilising," Ladd said. "But as a warning... I'm not all too sure you're right."

Official Message from the Unified Divisions of the Catalasian Archipelago
From: The personal laptop of Premier Donovan Ladd, Capitol Towers, Getthehelloutofourcountryevilforeignpigdogsdiediedieatopia, Wassermann Island

Let's make this brief.

The Archipelago government has had its eye upon the nation of Clandonia Prime for quite some time now. Clandonia has routinely engaged in pointless warmongering and imperialism, casting itself into all manner of wars and frequently using nuclear weapons without regard for the consequences.

However, this discovery of rampant human rights abuses -- such as the archaic, barbaric practice of slavery -- is simply too much. We fully support the Lone Alliance's demands, and are willing to back them up with our rather significant military forces. We would recommend that Clandonia Prime accede to the demands now, or it could potentially wind up in a good deal of trouble.

As for those nations which would back Clandonia Prime -- do you really wish to support this hotbed of imperialistic, warmongering barbarism? If so, you'd probably belong on our watchlist, too. National sovereignty is not the issue here -- not when Clandonia is seeking to add the populations of other nations to its slave workforce like a poor imitation of the Kraven Corporation.

Think on this. You have 48 hours.

~ The Archipelago Defence Council ~

And people who work get shot for having a cold?

OOC: The Corporation shoots people for being ill sometimes so perhaps...

Official Clandonian Response

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The communist nations of Catalasia and The Lone Alliance publish lies of how Clandonia has used nuclear weapons when we have never deployed them since the admision under the Dominion Commonwealth. Imperalism and warmongering? We have never gone to war with a nation that has not posed a threat to Clandonian matters, Sovistan was invaded due to its involvement in supporting communist forces in Clandonia durring the civil war.

You are welcome to see our fine workforce happy in their jobs in the mines and ship yards to see our nations excellent democratic values combined with a totally free market economy of which we are nothing like the evils of the Kraven Corporation.

SIC:

Official Diplomatic Telegram
To: Clandonia Prime
From: President George Lincoln, Nova Brittanica
I'll be blunt. Our nations have gone against each other, although never militarily. My nation's people believe that Nova Brittanica has no dealings with you. This is not true. All of the corporations in Nova Brittanica cannot break the embargoes on your nation. However, my government sells our undesirables, those who would be killed if we allowed capital punishment, those who know to much, and those who are traitors to the nation. Thus if an act of war against Clandonia Prime by the Communist nations of The Lone Alliance, Catalasia, or any of there allies should happen, we will pledge our support to Clandonia Prime. We will help repel the Communistic Imperialist "Liberators", and assist in the conquest of their nations. In return we ask for half of one of the invaders territory, of your choosing.

Official Clandonian Response

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Secure communication to Nova Brittanica:

Your support is glady accepted we are glad to see there are still some nations in the world that want to stop the rise of communistic evils that nations try to impose on Clandonia and other free and democratic nations. If the war goes on to the invaders land, you are more than welcome to keep their lands once we have finished our mass clensings of their civillian population.

Response to Clandonia

I'm glad you brought your usual communist label out. Despite our status as a non-free market, undemocratic country as you have labeled us, our GDP per capita is in fact close to NS$50,000, or approximately NS$18,000 higher than Clandonia's. The Archipelago's economy is one of the freeest markets in the world, with every citizen granted the same economic rights from birth and a higher degree of competition than many other nations out there today. Monopolies are almost unheard of and tariffs and taxes are very low. Accusing us of being a communist nation is like accusing Automagfreek of excess pacifism.

And prior to Clandonia's entry into the Dominion Commonwealth we have records of nuclear weapons being deployed, with some frequency. There is no indication that Clandonia will not do this again if it sees fit. Likewise, Clandonia is the one that defines "threats" to its nation and that can be practically anything that it decides to invade.

Finally, we have gathered from satellite evidence that in certain areas of Clandonia there are aggregations of the population living in quite poor conditions, or so it would appear to us; these areas are especially located around certain mines, and from what we can see there seem to be inordinately large police concentrations in these areas (i.e. multiple buildings that may well be police stations). Housing in these areas looks very much like slums and, in some cases, tents -- habitations that could easily be the sign of, if not slavery, extreme poverty, which runs contrary to your claims of prosperity.

~ The Archipelago Defence Council ~

Official Clandonian Response

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We would like to see this so called 'evidence' that has proberly been fabricated by someone who has a 98% tax rate and lives in a drain hole. These slums were proberly temporary housing durring the slum clearance programe when new houses were built after the influx of migrant workers.

ooc I don't go by NSTracker stats at all, as I claim a GDP/capita of over $50,000, a tax rate of around 13-14% maximum, and thus a proportionally smaller defence budget (closer to $16 trillion than the $86 trillion it currently is); I was just pointing them out to show how inaccurate and unrealistic the stats can be. In real life no nation with 100% tax would have a GDP even close to one with 20%, and no-one could spend very much more than 10% of the total GDP on defence without running into very serious economic, social, and political problems. My nation as NSTracker puts it is an anachronism. /ooc

Response to Clandonia

98% tax rate? Wherever you have found this information you are sadly misinformed. Attached is a copy of the latest tax code, which specifically states that the government may not claim more than 12.5% of any organisation's income, and no more than 10% for individuals. In addition, we have attached timecoded satellite pictures of these areas of "temporary" housing; the oldest of the pictures dates back more than sixteen months, while the newest is from several weeks ago. Admittedly, there have been changes over this time; we are willing to admit to that. However, these areas do not seem to have shared in the increase in prosperity that you claim for the rest of your nation.

If you would consent to allow Archipelago inspectors to examine these areas freely, perhaps we will change our minds about the state of Clandonian human rights. Otherwise, we will stand by our assertions.

~ The Archipelago Defence Council ~

We will need to discuss this, all military actions by our nation are on hold in the meantime. Diplomatic discussion may continue however.

OOC: I've never planned a war really, more of a grab and run by Black Operators.


There is nothing to talk about. You take my deal and back off. I don’t think you want blood on your hands because you listened to the words of man that had his nation attack by Communist terrorists. Those terrorist were supplied by the fools of that nation about to be destroyed by the big bad evil nation. In which that nation is worst then Clandonia. Clandonia is a puppy compared to that other nation. You back up and everything will be seen as a bad dream.

Think about it, it is a good deal. Five billion tax free for whatever you want to do with it. Build the biggest…whatever you want.

Do the smart thing because the Dominion Commonwealth comes first over everything. The Dominion Commonwealth will stand by Clandonia, our brother, over anything else.

~ The Lord Marshall

TO Catalasia:

You know what is stopping them to use their nuclear arsenal. Me! Now, do I have to buy you off too? How about a cool five billion tax free and signed picture of Big Bird?

~ The Lord Marhsall

Response to the Lord Marshal(l)

I don't appreciate jokes, unless I make them.

And no, I cannot be bought out; I would like proof that the claims of the Clandonian government are true, preferably proof reported through the eyes of Archipelago inspectors permitted to wander freely through Clandonia to discern any possible proof or falsity of the reports of slavery and exploitation.

~ The Archipelago Defence Council ~

Well, if you want to go after the real bad guy, go after Doomingsland. The things they do are ten times as worst as the ‘things’ said about Clandonia. Everything you somehow got reports on was from the regime of Lancer. There is a new man in charge of Clandonia, whom has done good things for the Clandonian people.

~ The Lord Marshall

Republic of the Red Islands

We stand by our allies in Clandonia Prime and will send a fleet with the Dominion once they go on the offensive.

On the defensive standpoint, we shall send up to 5 divisions of coastal artillery, and will help lay down tank traps, trenches, pillboxes, barbed wire, and concrete dragons teeth onto the beach. We'll also deliver the 75mm Ultralightweight artillery gun with HESH rounds for antiarmor use by anyone with minimal training.

[END]

For now, we will withdraw our ultimatium and we request that we be allowed to send people to witness these mines and production facilities. As for the Red Islands, keep your nose out of others business, we know who you are and we suggest you stick to the sidelines like you are famous of doing. -Response

For now, we will withdraw our ultimatium and we request that we be allowed to send people to witness these mines and production facilities. As for the Red Islands, keep your nose out of others business, we know who you are and we suggest you stick to the sidelines like you are famous of doing. -Response

Republic of the Red Islands

When you are in someone else's house you best remember not to raise your voice or else you'll find yourself on the street. We decide what is our business, since we are the businessmen.

[END]

Official Clandonian Response

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Your are welcome to inspect the worker housing projects and inspect our mines we thank our allies for the support in these troubling times, we have nothing to hide.