NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC: Intro thread was http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=499319.

IC:

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The Democratic Republic of Hamilay is pleased to announce that, despite an unfortunate incident, the first phase of the Global Strategic Missile Defence Project is ready to proceed. The Hamilayan government and the Hamilayan Department of Aerospace wish to thank all the nations who have provided funding, and in particular the Coordinator of Vault 10 for the generous contribution of rockets. All participants are invited to a conference in our capital of Sayenna to discuss the details involved in construction. From there, the dignitaries will be taken to a site to supervise the launch of the program. We note the kick-off is taking place in Hamilay, to reflect that most construction efforts will be based from here. However, we will still be happy to utilise other facilites in Those weird people, for example, provided these offers are still available.

Bump. If no one can be bothered with this, shall we just ignore it and consider the system constructed?

The Britannic Empire of British Londinium would appreciate some statistics regarding armament and orbital locations of the GSMDP.

We would also like to discuss future expansion plans for GSMDP.

While the work is on the first block is being done, we suggest to consider complementing the treaty part with some requirements for members to use their own defense systems, if they can assist.

To: British Londinium
The Republic wishes to inquire just exactly why British Londinium is specifically requesting information on the system, considering they have been labeled as 'oppressive unfriendly' by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and were denied from participation in the project.

To: Vault 10
Nations' own orbital systems would help to bolster the capabilities of the project, but our reason for not including them within the treaty were along grounds of maintaining neutrality. The international nature of the project ensures that none of the participants will be forced into hostilities unwillingly, as the treaty is not intended to be an alliance. Nations' own ICBM defence systems do not have that neutrality, and use of them would be more likely to be considered an act of war.

A good point.

However, I guess some people would like to take cooperation in missile defense further (basically this already happened), so let's mention that such nations may form a deeper pact to use their systems in mutual defense if they want, but that is not required to join the GSMDP.


P.S. Of course, anyone can always form additional pacts, but I wonder if you'd enter it.

Our facilities are very much available, and we would be more than happy to produce and launch equipment from our stations and provide security for incoming equipment with our experimental strike craft. Our technicians and pilots could use the experience in this venture. Simply say the word and send the plans, and construction will begin.

Many thanks. We are currently starting with the first construction space station, and from there plan to move to the launch of the laser-based satellite systems. Plans for the construction of space station modules, as well as the laser-based satellites, are being sent now.
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Unity-1 has recieved the plans for your construction station and has microwaved them over to Unity-2 and -3. The plans look sound enough to our engineers, however, Unity-1 is unavailable for construction at the time due to it's current project, which is classified. ((OOC: Nothing to do with this here, so no need to worry.)) We're going to be lifting off necessary supplies within the week, and construction with what's currently available will begin tomorrow. Estimated construction time on the station is... 8 months minimum. This is mainly due to the complex electronics systems in the station itself. A workable shell should be ready in about 5 months, at which point crew can begin working inside without pressure suits. A framework can be figured within 3 months, although it won't be pressurized, or have proper power systems. As for the satellites, we can probably make the first one within a month, although from we will have to add the necessary facilities for laser construction on Unity-3 before we can begin actual construction. Should there be any changes, just tell us.

Station Commander Ralph Hidalgo
Unity-1

OOC: In case you were wondering, Unity-1 through -3 are the construction platforms. Just to clear up confusion. That, and lasers were never in the original plans of my stations, since we use almost exclusively kinetic weapons. And are those times accurate enough?

To: British Londinium
The Republic wishes to inquire just exactly why British Londinium is specifically requesting information on the system, considering they have been labeled as 'oppressive unfriendly' by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and were denied from participation in the project.

To: Vault 10
Nations' own orbital systems would help to bolster the capabilities of the project, but our reason for not including them within the treaty were along grounds of maintaining neutrality. The international nature of the project ensures that none of the participants will be forced into hostilities unwillingly, as the treaty is not intended to be an alliance. Nations' own ICBM defence systems do not have that neutrality, and use of them would be more likely to be considered an act of war.

Communiqué to Hamilay

The Londinian Government feels that this missile defence programme is a threat to our sovereignty, and being assured that the satellites can only be used to shoot down missiles, as well as being assured that these satellites are nowhere near our nation, would prevent us from taking hostile action to destroy the programme.

SIC:
By Order of the Ministry for Defence

All Royal Starfleet vessels are to assume full military alert in preparation to take out the GSMDP.

TO: Esteemed Leader, British Londinium
FROM: T. Hane, Acting King, Barbarosea

It would be unwise to fire upon the Global Strategic MDP satellites as they are considered joint property of all the signatory nations of the GSMDP, and thus would be considered an act of war by us. We shall remind you also that unless fired upon, you would be attacking a purely defensive outpost in international space, and the potential political backlash could be somewhat damaging to your nation's facade of democracy. Also note that you will be killing civilians of nations engaged in the MDP by firing upon said installations, there by invoking total warfare tactics if blows should be exchanged. Our own defensive satellites are currently moving into position to defend the GSMDP from anything from asteroids to delusional leaders such as yourself. Consider yourself warned.

With Caution,
Trivium Hane
Acting King
The Neverending Dictatorial Land of Barbarosea
Gholgoth

OOC: I don't RP FT, so if you are purely FT I suggest you stay out of this thread, which is PMT.

OOC: How long is one real life day here?

OOC: Between 1 NS Year and 1 NS Week.

OOC: But there isn't a specific time set in this thread... just whatever we happen to go with?

OOC:
Those Wierd People,
In threads that you RP on here, you tend to rollplay in "Fluid Time". Such as going with your instincts. Although you have to make sure that you let other people have time to respond to your posts before you do something later on.

FROM: Ministry of Foreign Affairs
TO:: British Londinium
We will assure British Londinium that the satellites are for missile defence only and are not positioned above their nation. However, we question the authority British Londinium has to dictate this. They are in no position to dictate whether Hamilay decides to launch satellite-based orbital weaponry or other offensive uses for satellites, and as space is essentially free territory unclaimed by any nation, they also have no jurisdiction over where the satellites are placed. Of course, they do not need to be placed over the British Empire and we will respect their government's wishes in this matter, but the Republic wishes to make this point.

OOC: Yeah, fluid time. The length of an RL day really depends on what you're doing, whether it's a war or buying stuff from a storefront etc. And NS space is free territory, right? <.< >.>

[OOC:
All Royal Starfleet vessels are to assume full military alert in preparation to take out the GSMDP. Actually, in this timeline pretty much all the starfleet you can have is a pack of armed Shuttles.]

IC:

Let me advise you that we consider attacking our anti-missile defense or GSMDP to be, in part, a preparation for an attack against or a threat towards our nation. While it doesn't necessarily warrant an immediate retaliation, please remember that our nation has consists of survivors of a nuclear war, and we don't take such threats lightly.
Our doctrine allows for response action by our department in such a case.


With best regards,
Kirill Leonov,
Aerospace Logistics Nonconsensual Delivery Department Coordinator.

Communiqué to Hamilay
All Royal Starfleet vessels are to assume full military alert in preparation to take out the GSMDP.

With this threat in the air, TWP Orbital Naval forces have been bumped to DEFCON 3, and the squadron of the experimental XFi-1000's has been split into 2 flights and is currently patrolling the area around the satellites for defensive purposes only. Orders are to hold fire unless fired upon. Conventional and strategic terra based systems are unchanged from DEFCON 4. Also, XO-6 "Rolling Thunder" missile platforms and the XO-7 "Bolt From the Heavens" ion beam cannon are also unchanged, and are currently disabled due to their experimental nature.

OOC: If you were wondering, the XFi-1000 is the new designation for those experimental fighters earlier on that were poorly used in missile intercept. If you haven't read that, you will be pleased to know that they are far from being wanked, and are grossly buggy, and incapable of atmospheric flight. However, they are specifically made for the purpose of combat in orbit, so something like a regular space shuttle quickly modified for combat won't be the most efficient thing to use against them. As for the XO-6 and -7, they've been declared in my factbook, and will NOT be used due to their highly experimental nature.

Ralph Hidalgo looked over what had been finished that week for construction. The framework was completed, and it was quite the site. Much more pleasing to the eye than most of his stations. #Why don't the planners on the ground ever make these things good looking??# he thought to himself. He sighed as he finished writing the report for the Hamilayan engineers to look over. Giving it to the armed gaurd (who had recently been brought in due to the DEFCON 3 alert), it was brought over to the communications array and beamed back to Hamilay.

Encryption Key: Romeo Bravo Charlie

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The Head of the Hamilayan Dept. of Aerospace looked over the TWP report on the project's progress, somewhat distilled for more concise viewing by the top brass. Very impressive. He gestured to a nearby communications officer.
"Get me the Defence Minister on the line. Tell the Minister construction of the stations is proceeding on schedule, and the Weird People engineers expect to have the central space station operational in five months or so. Also, inform him that we can expect to see the first batch of laser satellites launched within the next week."

OOC: So... nobody else want's to get in on this? Maybe some random terrorist attack, or some nation getting pissed.... nothing? Not that I'm complaining of course, but it would be cool for RP purposes.

OOC:

What about the project extension? We could accept a few nations... in exchange for assistance in capability extension, of course.

Or does anyone wish to enter the optional additional agreement on mutual missile defense?

OOC: Well... is this purely based in satellites? Because like I said in another post, my nation is experimenting with station based strike craft... maybe turn those into a warhead interceptor? When they're in the middle stage of their launch of course, nothing atmospheric since a strike craft like that is pushing even late late PMT tech. Any ideas? And how come no one else is getting involved...

OOC: A nice idea. Is there a thread to see? Or just post here the IC offer, so we all review it. For instance, our Aerospace Logistics company can provide space launch, and some other nations could assist in the station construction.

OOC: I didn't make a thread about it anywhere, but I have a little section in my factbook for it. I'm not amazingly technical, so pretty much any information about it I give is going to be as a rating (1-10), and I'm not an artist so how they look is going to be up to your imagination.

Those weird people would like to present a modification of our XFi-1000 Orbital Fighter Craft. This is a Ballistic Warhead Interception craft, designed to intercept and destroy warheads while they are in their transit stage above the Earth. They are essentially the same craft as the XFi-1000, but with several changes to the pilot's computer and tracking systems to track the small numerous warheads. The craft itself has lighter armor and a more efficient engine to make it faster for interception purposes. Also, the calibre of the weapon has been decreased for the purpose of carrying more ammunition. Here is a basic overview of the craft.

XFi-1100 "Fly Swatter"

(All ratings are on a scale of 1-10, 10 being the best)

Class: Strike Craft
Purpose: Warhead Interceptor
Status: Experimental
Maximum Velocity: 1.5 km/s (0.93 mi/s)
Acceleration: 35 m/s^2 (114.8 ft/s^2)
Mass: 33 metric tons (36 tons)
Armament: 1 rotary 20mm Mass Driver
Maximum Effective Weapon Range: 20 km (12.4 mi)
Drive System: Plasma Torch
Manueverability Rating: 6
Armor Rating: 1

This craft, code-named "Fly Swatter" by it's designers, is aesthetically quite similar to it's base design, the XFi-1000 Orbital Fighter Craft. The primary differences are it's decresed armor, decreased weapon calibre, and a more efficient, faster engine. The purpose of this strike craft is the interception of ballistic warheads, in the event of an ICBM launch. The tracking computers have been upgraded to track the small warheads, and distinguish warheads from their decoys. Also included in the upgraded suite is a fire interception, so that the pilot knows how much to lead the targets to impact on the warheads. The mass driver itself, although surrounded by the ship, can be slightly adjusted by the computer so that the pilot does not have to allign his ship exactly along the path, which would be a nearly impossible feat for even the GenMod pilots. In the armor department, a full 6 metric tons (6.6 tons) of armor for maximum acceleration and speed, at the loss of armor reduction similar to the lightly armored stations. The plasma torch engine has been more thoroughly researched since its implementation in the XFi-1000, and has been made more efficient in its workings. The last major change is the weapon calibre. While the larger 40mm ammunition was necessary for penetrating and destroying ships with thicker armor, the warheads are very lightly armored targets, and the 20mm ammunition can be made to travel faster and have more carried than its larger counterpart.

Our engineers believe that these craft would be most useful alongside a system such as this, as they would be unable by themselves to completely halt a massive full-force launch of ballistic missiles, and the craft themselves are unable to achieve atmospheric flight, and are also unable to hit targets that have not yet escaped the atmosphere, since the ammunition would simply burn up in the atmosphere. We await the signatories evaluation, and currently have 3 completed craft for demonstration. Only one is fully mission capable.

[ OOC: You might want to correct the acceleration. Anything beyond 1g is already serious, and 100g acceleration is just insane. I'd suggest to keep the acceleration within 2-3g (20-30m/s^2) for PMT, transverse up to 10g (more than 11-12 kills the pilot anyway, even though 12-15 may be OK for the frame). ]


Greetings.

We have received the information on your craft, and our Economy Science Department is studying the economic feasibility of their application. We would like to receive a unit for studying, possibly with the more classified parts removed. The information will remain confidential and will be used to develop possible improvements.


Respectfully,
Victor Neumann,
Aerospace Logistics Space Engineering Department.

[ OOC: You might want to correct the acceleration. Anything beyond 1g is already serious, and 100g acceleration is just insane. I'd suggest to keep the acceleration within 2-3g (20-30m/s^2) for PMT, transverse up to 10g (more than 11-12 kills the pilot anyway, even though 12-15 may be OK for the frame). ]


Greetings.

We have received the information on your craft, and our Economy Science Department is studying the economic feasibility of their application. We would like to receive a unit for studying, possibly with the more classified parts removed. The information will remain confidential and will be used to develop possible improvements.


Respectfully,
Victor Neumann,
Aerospace Logistics Space Engineering Department.

OOC: Ok. For future reference, what's the coversion to figure out how many g's you get for each m/s^2?

IC

We would be more than happy to allow your engineers to study one of our test models, however, we believe that a group study would be much more cost effective, and we will wait to see if any of the other signatories would like to study them. If there seems to be no other interest, we will ship out one of the test models.

[ OOC: 1g=9.81m/s^2. As a rule of thumb, just ten.
In space it's best to use m/s^2, though, as SI and ISO standarts are more prevalent there, and g is actually a variable in space rather than a constant. ]

[ OOC 2 All: The project is still mostly open to join. ]

OOC: Seeing as no-one responded to the Byrrilic People's communication in the previous thread ( http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=499319&page=5 ) Are we allowed to post here?

Official Bulletin from Unity-1 to all GSMDP Treaty Members


Nations of the GSMDP Treaty:

The hour is near for the estimated completion of the Command and Control station that will control the satellite systems for the system. Estimated day of completion is within the week, and better late than never. It took nearly a year to complete due to a bug with some of the electronics, but nevertheless it was solved. We invite your leaders aboard the newly constructed station for its final activation and the ushering in of a new era of safety and international cooperation. We eagerly await your arrival.

Signed,
Station Commander, Ralph Hidalgo
The Overlord of TWP, Zachary Schiess

OOC: I'm back from holiday. Sorry everyone, since I left just after Christmas I didn't find the time but I probably should have posted of the fact. -.- Oh well, unsurprisingly the thread seems to be going much more efficiently in my absence. The interceptor looks good, but what do you think the tech level is? I try to stay low PMT and it looks a bit fancy for that.

OOC: Well... I'm sort of late PMT for space tech, only because my nation has been doing space stuff for quite some time. That, and the interceptor is essentially that light fighter w/ even less armor and a better tracking system, the latter of which would be well within the limits of PMT. And lastly, that's why it's only experimental. :P

OOC: Sorry to barge in lads, but... Hehe, whats going on? *thouroughly confused by all this ooc x.x*

Blech. Anyway, ill be waiting till other nations can join.. ill be watching this board...