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Official Message from The Fourth Holy Reich to All Arms Dealers


The Fourth Holy Reich offers an Arms Contract to any and all suppliers a 2 trillion reichsmark contract to arm the Reich's 1.5 million man military according to the following criterium:

Naval Equipment to arm 300,000 men

Airforce equipment to arm 100,000 men.

Marine force equipment to arm 100,000 men.

Army equipment to arm 1 million men.

Special emphasis on submarines and tanks. No artillery or helicopters.

***OFFICIAL GOVERNMENTAL PROCLIMATION***
TO: Leadership of All Nations of the World
FROM: Larry Williams, Minister of Foreign Affairs

The Dark Empire of Shazbotdom would like to try and discourage the Nations of the world from allowing their companies to sell to a warmongering nation such as The Fourth Holy Reich. Their tyranical ways have brought them into countless conflicts and their lack of a sufficient brained leader has caused thouands of their military to die in un-needed conflicts.

We hearby ask the nations of the world to decline the sale of arms to this nation. Thank you for your time and paitence.

The Royal Armoury Manufacturing Corporation would like to offer the Fourth Reich our Trafalgar-class submarines. (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Trafalgar-class_submarine)

Official Clandonian Corporation Communication

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/madnukedude/ClandonianCorporationLogo.png

The Corporation could provide your submarine needs easily, we have the following submarines idea for a nation of your size. We are happy to provie other details and training for these submarines for your naval personal, for other shipping needs check out our storefront.

OOC: Storefront is here http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=506990


Cyclone Class Submarine SSK
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/madnukedude/CyloneClassNuclearSubmarine.png
Cost: $300 Million USD
Production Rights: $12.5 Billion USD

An ideal budget submarine for small nations, deadly in the right hands it contains four 20" torpedo tubes and can carry 16 assorted missiles ranging from cruise missiles, anti-ship or anti-air. Running on cheap and good diesel while on the surface its batterys can provide up to four days of submerged running time, dependant on speed.

Dankseran Class Submarine SSBN
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v338/madnukedude/DanskeranClassNuclearSubmarine.png
Cost: $2 Billion USD
Production Rights $60 Billion USD

Made for a true deterent and anti-shipping asset for the Clandonian navy, used in combat in the Naashan war where they launched some of the first shots of the conflict. Carrys eight 20" torpedo tubes, 26 vertical missile tubes ideal for a ballistic deterent. Uses a Corporation Advanced Gas Cooled reactor, refuel is only needed every four years which can be provided by the Corporation. Ideal for blockade enforcement or good old fashioned nuclear war!

OOC:

What I am specifically asking for is for someone to fully equip my army. Er...ie, I want a corporation to give a specific number, like so:

Naval:

X submarines of Y class, each holding Z men
X Battleships of Y class, each holding Z men
X gunboats of Y class, each holding Z men

Total, X ships comprising Z men

Army:

X panzers of Y class, each holding Z men

Do you get what I am saying?

I don't want one particular thing. I want someone to figure out my army for me.

OOC: Well I can do a deal on the submarines for you just tell me how many you want of which type or a mixture.

OOC: Well I can do a deal on the submarines for you just tell me how many you want of which type or a mixture.

OOC:

That's what I am saying. I gave a specific number of men in the first post. I want enough ships to hold approximately that number of men.

We can't sell you much in terms of naval equipment, as we do not manufacture any internally, but we can supply you with aircraft suitable for Air Force and Naval Air Wing (aircraft carrier) use:

Reizajan REI-21 'Raven' Multirole Fighter

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/Rentro/Ryalov_Ry-19.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/Rentro/Ryalov_Ry-19-2.jpg

The Reizajan REI-21 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=509374) multirole fighter (more details in the link). We'd be willing to sell you 400 of these for $5.5bn, a fair price and enough of a potent front-line fighter for a nation of your size - you can get cheaper (say, Soviet-era) aircraft for less, but you want your best squadrons to have quality equipment, right? The REI-21 is designed to be a more potent answer to the F-18 and already sees service with many nations - as a front-line fighter in that quantity for that price you won't do much better anywhere else.

As for army equipment, we can certainly arm your infantry and special forces with small arms - take a look at the two products we currently manufacture and use within our infantry:

MP-68 Tactical Multipurpose Rifle
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/Rentro/fal_dsa_sa58osw.jpg


AP-22 Assault Pistol
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/Rentro/AP-22.jpg

(more information here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=343381)).

The MP68 is a very versatile weapon, able to convert between many roles at once and will save you a bundle on buying machine guns, assault rifles, submachineguns, etc and allow to use one weapon system. 750,000 of these for $600m is a fair price at a significant discount to the normal price, especially as we'll include the full conversion kit with every rifle (usually $50 extra each) and hell, we'll even give you couple of tons of spare parts in case those rifles break (and they shouldn't, but there's always some).

As for the AP-22, you can't really go wrong with a fully-automatic 32-shot pistol no larger than a Beretta 92 for officers and special forces - we'll sell you 500,000 of these for $150m, with complete accessory kit (silencer, screw-in foldable shoulder stock - perfect for airbourne missions - and large-capacity magazine). This ought to give you a decent start at an air force - certainly something to front up whatever else you may buy - and a fully-capable and fully-armed infantry and special forces for a grand total of $6.25bn, availible for immediate transport.


OOC: Don't go for contracts so broad, you're best offering different contracts for different aspects, e.g. some people specialise in small arms, some in aircraft, some in tanks, some in ships, etc - compartmentalise, you'll get better deals, better discounts and other good things - lots of storefronts have good package deals, too, where you can basically buy a prefab military - check some out, I recommend The Soviet Storefront (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497107), both for price and the fact he's an ally of mine, but there are better places for packages out there - check out Clan Smoke Jaguar's deals, they're how I got started out.

check some out, I recommend The Soviet Storefront (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497107), both for price and the fact he's an ally of mine, but there are better places for packages out there - check out Clan Smoke Jaguar's deals, they're how I got started out.

Hey, thanks! :D

The Triumvirate Council of the Revolutionary Government of the Glorious Republic of Leafanistan

Leafanistan hereby sanctions the Fourth Holy Reich from all Leafanistani goods with the exception of corn syrup.

We encourage all nations to do the same and would like to thank our ally Shazbotdom for also criticizing the Fourth Holy Reich and let it be known that profits shouldn't come before morals.

[END]

Hey, thanks! :D

Heh, anything to put money the way of my allies, and hey, you've got some good prices over there :mp5:

OOC: Joygasm!

IC:

Der Fuhrer offers the Kelonian states:

2 billion dollars for 1.5 million MP-68 Tactical Multipurpose Rifles with a supply of ammo.

70 billion dollars for 5000 of the Multirole fighters.

(Btw, how many men go into one fighter?)

Also, thanks for the tip. I'll look into World Soviet States

OOC: Joygasm!

IC:

Der Fuhrer offers the Kelonian states:

2 billion dollars for 1.5 million MP-68 Tactical Multipurpose Rifles with a supply of ammo.

70 billion dollars for 5000 of the Multirole fighters.

(Btw, how many men go into one fighter?)

Also, thanks for the tip. I'll look into World Soviet States

Certainly, orders confirmed:

- $2,000,000,000 for 1.5 million MP-68 units with full conversion kit, with 1x 2,000-round 7.62mm ammo case and 1x 2,000-round 5.56mm ammo case per unit (we've got bullets coming out of our ears, 4,000 bullets per gun should be more than enough to see you well-armed for a long while).

- $70,000,000,000 for 5,000 RAI-21 multirole fighters. They're single-seat aircraft, I was going to make a two-seat fighter-bomber version, but ended up, well, not.

Rifle units and ammunition availible for immediate delivery, delivery of final aircraft unit will be 2 NS weeks from now (we've only got so many pilots able to fly these things to your airbases, then we've got to get the poor guys home again to pick up the next lot, heh)

Official Message from The Fourth Holy Reich to All Arms Dealers
Forth Reich , I Dictator Nikita Hussitini of Bosivia will supply your men. And more My weapons creaters have fashioned the worlds first super rifle.Its a rifle for the snipers. But the front barrel comes of making it a sub-Machine gun for close quarters combat. And it has a grenade attachment. Wait it gets better,You hook a little fuel tank up and under the grenade launch and you have a flamethrower. Do we have deal.

Official Message from The Fourth Holy Reich to All Arms Dealers
Forth Reich , I Dictator Nikita Hussitini of Bosivia will supply your men. And more My weapons creaters have fashioned the worlds first super rifle.Its a rifle for the snipers. But the front barrel comes of making it a sub-Machine gun for close quarters combat. And it has a grenade attachment. Wait it gets better,You hook a little fuel tank up and under the grenade launch and you have a flamethrower I call it the Manzzia I-40. Do we have deal.

Rifle units and ammunition availible for immediate delivery, delivery of final aircraft unit will be 2 NS weeks from now (we've only got so many pilots able to fly these things to your airbases, then we've got to get the poor guys home again to pick up the next lot, heh)

Der Fuhrer offers to send his own men to come pick up his order.

Also, I don't suppose you might have a decent bomber?

Der Fuhrer offers to send his own men to come pick up his order.

Also, I don't suppose you might have a decent bomber?

That's perfectly acceptable, tell them to hop on the transport when we drop off the rifles, it might not be a comfy ride but it'll get them here.

And sorry to say, but no, I don't have any bombers I can part with, as I dont produce any inside Kelonia and only order what I need - storefronting isnt really my speciality, I'm afraid...

That's perfectly acceptable, tell them to hop on the transport when we drop off the rifles, it might not be a comfy ride but it'll get them here.

Groovy, that'll work.

And sorry to say, but no, I don't have any bombers I can part with, as I dont produce any inside Kelonia and only order what I need - storefronting isnt really my speciality, I'm afraid...


Do you know who does?

Do you know who does?

Pudu and Aequatio, both have good planes in their storefronts.

Do you know who does?

Check out this guy (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=310695&highlight=CSMJ), pretty much any air force needs are covered there (it's where I got most of my early air force from, I think, you'll find posts in that thread from me in 2004 :D) - they're real-world stuff, not invented tech, but hey, that's not too important, right?

OOC: If your looking for manpower numbers here's a very basic chart

Infantry 1:3
Tanks 1:5
Naval 1:10
Aircraft 1:25

Basically 1 aircraft may only need one pilot, but it needs around 25 guys to refuel it, reload it and stuff. Infatry, particularily mechanized ones still need 3 noncombat soldiers to maintain the APCs, and to drive up the ammunition to the frontline.

Can someone give me a chart for the number of men usually required to man various naval ships?

IE, the number of men needed to operate...

A submarine
a cruiser
a destroyer
a frigate
a corvette
a battleship
an aircraft carrier

ALSO! How many fighters/helicopters can you fit on one carrier?

etc. Once I get finished with the naval stuff, I've pretty much have my military equipped.

Pretty please?

A submarine
a cruiser
a destroyer
a frigate
a corvette
a battleship
an aircraft carrier

Looking HERE (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/index.html) might help a little bit. it's a list of all the surface ships in the US Navy. They have crew numbers and everything. that might help you to estimate the numbers for each.

Can someone give me a chart for the number of men usually required to man various naval ships?

IE, the number of men needed to operate...

A submarine
a cruiser
a destroyer
a frigate
a corvette
a battleship
an aircraft carrier

ALSO! How many fighters/helicopters can you fit on one carrier?

etc. Once I get finished with the naval stuff, I've pretty much have my military equipped.

Depends on the size of the carrier. Also, if you're looking for a good fighter, might I recommend my own Raven XG/3T?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11670198&postcount=1

Looking HERE (http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/index.html) might help a little bit. it's a list of all the surface ships in the US Navy. They have crew numbers and everything. that might help you to estimate the numbers for each.

Thank you! For your assistance, I shall not invade you! :p

Thank you! For your assistance, I shall not invade you! :p

Your not large enough anyways. My coastal defences would pummel your navy.

Alright! I have everything except for my navy taken care of. This is all that I need now:

50 Aircraft Carriers (Each holding 3,000 soldiers)
18 Battleships (Each holding 5,000 people)
200 Destroyers (Each holding 400 people)
72 Frigates (Each holding 250 people)

Can I get a supplier for this stuff?

This entire message is out of character. I can offer you one of NationState's best tanks, if not the best tank (it would really depend on who you ask). I'm aware of your racist opinions and I'm aware of the fact that my nation's name is that of a prominent Jewish guerrilla movement. Given your opinions I'm not entirely sure if you would be open to purchasing the tank. Although I am by religious law Roman Catholic (my mother is Roman Catholic), I do have Jewish family (my father is Jewish). My roleplays do not consider the religion of another player nor his opinions, whether they be liberal, fascist or anti-semitic. In character, my nation isn't Jewish at all. It was a 'Christian' nation (with its own church and pope; it followed a type of central Roman Catholicism theme), but religion no longer plays a major part since the death of Jonach I and the War of Golden Succession. In character, my nation has no ties to Judaism. You can read about the Nakíl (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=478771) and if you're interested you can place an order in that thread.

Kind regards,

Mac

This entire message is out of character. I can offer you one of NationState's best tanks, if not the best tank (it would really depend on who you ask). I'm aware of your racist opinions and I'm aware of the fact that my nation's name is that of a prominent Jewish guerrilla movement. Given your opinions I'm not entirely sure if you would be open to purchasing the tank. Although I am by religious law Roman Catholic (my mother is Roman Catholic), I do have Jewish family (my father is Jewish). My roleplays do not consider the religion of another player nor his opinions, whether they be liberal, fascist or anti-semitic. In character, my nation isn't Jewish at all. It was a 'Christian' nation (with its own church and pope; it followed a type of central Roman Catholicism theme), but religion no longer plays a major part since the death of Jonach I and the War of Golden Succession. In character, my nation has no ties to Judaism. You can read about the Nakíl (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=478771) and if you're interested you can place an order in that thread.

Kind regards,

Mac

OOC: Dude, I really don't care if you have Jewish family or not. Granted, I don't like Jews. But certainly, I wouldn't let that affect my RP. I am a NAZI, not a barbarian, man.

That said, if you are a Catholic (by belief), then you aren't technically Jewish.

IC: I don't really need any tanks. I have enough now from the Kelonian states. All I need now are the aforesaid ships.

IC: I don't really need any tanks. I have enough now from the Kelonian states. All I need now are the aforesaid ships.

OOC: And the 50,000 T-34s you bought from me =p

OOC: And the 50,000 T-34s you bought from me =p

OOC: Damn, that's right. I didn't get tanks from Kelonia, I got them from you. I got the assault rifles and the fighter jets from Kelonia. :headbang:

Can I interest you in my carrier?

Aquilifer-class Command Carrier

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/5738/cvn21qj6.th.jpg (http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cvn21qj6.jpg)

Cost: 115$ Billion USD
Builder: Krayt Shipyards co
Power Plant: Eight ACVN-12 Nuclear Reactors
Propulsion: Eight T-99 Waterjets
Displacement: 2.5 Million Tons
Length: 800 Meters
Beam: 160 Meters (Primary Hull)
Maximum Speed: 26 Knots
Draft: 27 Meters
Crew: 3,200 Crew, 3,000 enlisted, 200 officers
Armour:
Deck: 90mm Steel/Titanium/Tungsten/ Depleted Uranium Composite
Armament:
2 x 20 VLS Packs
60 x SAM Mounts
60 Laser ABM/AA Turrets
Aircraft:
120 Fighters
40 Medium/Light Bombers
20 ASW Helicopters
Combat Systems:
Hunter-78 Air Search RADAR
Spotter-12 Air Search RADAR
Torch-212 Air traffic control radars
SPN-43B air traffic control radar
Pointman-32 target acquisition radar
Ranger-82 Multi-function Target identification RADAR
Trident-31 ASW Suite
Valkjra-12 AA Electronic warfare suite
Vanguard-TK2 torpedo countermeasures
Vanguard-HG9 ASM Countermeasures
Orca-18 Sea Search SONAR
Meg-19 Sea Search RADAR
MK12-Electronic Warfare suite

Wow, that is incredibly expensive. Where it says...


120 Fighters
40 Medium/Light Bombers
20 ASW Helicopters

Is that Fighters AND bombers AND helicopters....

Or fighters OR bombers OR helicopters?

And if it is Fighters AND bombers AND helicopters, can you give an equivilency of how many fighters equals one bomber, how many fighters equals 1 helicopter, etc?

Wow, that is incredibly expensive. Where it says...


120 Fighters
40 Medium/Light Bombers
20 ASW Helicopters

Is that Fighters AND bombers AND helicopters....

Or fighters OR bombers OR helicopters?

And if it is Fighters AND bombers AND helicopters, can you give an equivilency of how many fighters equals one bomber, how many fighters equals 1 helicopter, etc?

First off, since you're a young nation I'll be willing to cut a deal in regars to the price.

And yes, it is Fighters and bombers and copters', And the way I figure...

2 Fighters = 1 bomber

4 Helicopters = 1 Fighter

...stuff like that.

First off, since you're a young nation I'll be willing to cut a deal in regars to the price.

And yes, it is Fighters and bombers and copters', And the way I figure...

2 Fighters = 1 bomber

4 Helicopters = 1 Fighter

...stuff like that.

That looks good to me. I'm willing to purchase one or two. How much?

That looks good to me. I'm willing to purchase one or two. How much?

I'll give two for 50$ billion dollars, so long as you send me 100,000 (one hundred thousand) of your nations undesirables for genetic experimentation.

Der Fuhrer will pay full price for 1 carrier. Do you by chance have any amphibious transports?

Der Fuhrer will pay full price for 1 carrier. Do you by chance have any amphibious transports?

Nope, sorry. But if you ever need a Super-Dreadnought, or a Super-Capital, I also have designs for those.

Nope, sorry. But if you ever need a Super-Dreadnought, or a Super-Capital, I also have designs for those.

Bring em out! :p

k. Sorry, these don't have pictures, cuz I'm a t3h suck lineartist.

Venator-Class Super Dreadnought

Cost: 200 Billion USD$
Builder:
Power Plant: Four ACVN-12 Tocrowkian Nuclear Reactors
Propulsion: Eight T-99 Waterjets
Displacement: 5.5 million tons
Length: 935m
Beam: 124m (Primary Hull)
Maximum Speed: 34 Knots
Draft: 15 Meters
Crew: 7,000; 6,400 enlisted, 600 Officers
Armour:
Belt: 1300mm Steel/Titanium/Tungsten
Deck: 900mm Steel/Titanium/Tungsten
Armament:
4 x 760mm bore Electromagnectic Quintuple Turrets (2 on Stern, 2 on Bow)
10 Dual Purpose 360mm guns
48 x Quad 76mm Autocannons
15 Dual-purpose 155m guns
2 x 5,000 Cell VLS Tubes (Located on Bow)
24 x Torpedo Tubes
30 x Goalkeeper CIWS Mounts
80 x Laser ABM/AA Turrets
40 x SAM Mounts
Combat Systems:
Hunter-78 Air Search RADAR
Spotter-12 Air Search RADAR
Pointman-32 target acquisition radar
Vanguard-TK2 torpedo countermeasures
Vanguard-HG9 ASM Countermeasures
Orca-18 Sea Search SONAR
Meg-19 Sea Search RADAR
MK12-Electronic Warfare suite

TRS Imperator

The TRS Imperator is the newest, largest and most powerful capital ship ever produced for the Tocrowkian Navy. Recognizing the lack of Ultra-Dreadnoughts(Or Super Capitals, as some people like to call them), the Tocrowkian Navy ordered the construction of a ship that could equal or best enemy ships of comparable size and power in combat. TRS Imperator is the first ship of the new class, having been recently completed and launched, with two other ships of the Imperator-class currently nearing completion also.

Cost: 800$ Billion USD
Builder: Krayt Shipyards co
Power Plant: Ten ACVN-12 Tocrowkian Nuclear Reactors
Propulsion: Thirteen T-99 Waterjets
Displacement: 20.6 Million Tons
Length: 1,890 Meters
Beam: 326m (Primary Hull)
Maximum Speed: 28 Knots
Draft: 45 Meters
Crew: 29,056; 28,000 Enlisted, 1000 officers, 56 Pilots
Armour:
Belt: 1500mm Steel/Titanium/Tungsten/Depleted Uranium Composite
Deck: 1400mm Steel/Titanium/Tungsten/ Depleted Uranium Composite
Armament:
6 x 760mm Bore Quintuple Electromagnetic Turrets
9 x Dual Purpose Twin 380mm Turrets
24 x Dual Purpose 160 mm Turrets
78 x Quad 76mm Autocannons
36 x "Defender" CIWS Mounts
120 x Laser ABM/AA Turrets
40 x SAM Mounts
8,000 VLS Missile tubes
Aircraft:
26 ASW Helicopters
26 VTOL Fighter-bomber Raven XG/3Ts
Combat Systems:
Hunter-78 Air Search RADAR
Spotter-12 Air Search RADAR
Pointman-32 target acquisition radar
Ranger-82 Multi-function Target identification RADAR
Trident-31 ASW Suite
Valkjra-12 AA Electronic warfare suite
Vanguard-TK2 torpedo countermeasures
Vanguard-HG9 ASM Countermeasures
Orca-18 Sea Search SONAR
Meg-19 Sea Search RADAR
MK12-Electronic Warfare suite

Oh, and this is fun too:

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/8014/squidem3.png (http://imageshack.us)

Species: Giant Squid
Method of control: Neural implants, which are linked to a ships computer system, which in turn allows the crew to control the animal.
Length: 13 meters
Armament: Ten tentacles, a beak. Can be have an explosive device surgically implanted for "suicide" attacks.
Purpose: The Squid-class' primary purpose is to track down enemy submarines with their senses, which are naturally equipped for guidance and finding prey in deep waters. Upon finding an enemy submarine, the Squid is then ordered to try it's best to tear apart or disable the enemy submarine with their tentacles. How ever, if they are unable to the crew can usually fall back on the high-explosives surgically implanted in the animal to destroy the enemy submarine with that method.
Cost 200$ Million per unit.

Nice! I'll give you $315 billion for 1 Aquilifer Class Command Carrier and 1 Venator Class Super Dreadnaught.

Nice! I'll give you $315 billion for 1 Aquilifer Class Command Carrier and 1 Venator Class Super Dreadnaught.

w00t! Accepted. The ships are on their way =D

MP-68 Tactical Multipurpose Rifle
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v357/Rentro/fal_dsa_sa58osw.jpg

@Kel:

How much would you want for production rights?

Official Message from The Fourth Holy Reich to All Arms Dealers

IC:

Grace Chief of trade and economics: Ah yes...Old German weapons...we can supply you with much newer things...we even have s sprerical fragmentation grenade that may seize your interest...

New Age Arms Manufacturing is happy too oblige.

Offer:

160,000 Assault weapons

400,000 Grenades

100 Migs

120 Tanks

3000 Armored Vehicles

2000 Artillery pieces

230,000 Pistols

We ask for a 45 Billion reichmark contract in exchancge.

@ Tocrowkia

I'll take 4 Aquilifer-class Command Carriers for 230,000,000,000 Billion USDs as we pacted via MSN =p