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Its come to my attention that FT has alot more to give to the universe than we're currently seeing. The flood of intro threads, be they amazing or slightly wanting...We need some epic RPs, some campaigns and epics that put the old RPs to shame. We need things like the Shivan War, or the ESUS/GFFA war.

This was one of the many reasons I began "Charybdis"
For that reason I thought this thread might be a good idea, as a feeding ground for ideas. We can bring together various ideas and work on ways to make them NS practical.

For example, I've been discussing the idea of a Flood Infection RP of sorts. Or perhaps a Genestealer infestation and subsequent Tyranid Hivefleet. Theres the ever reliable and fun Orkish WAAAGH. Or perhaps an outbreak of HMHVV

We want to hear your ideas!

Thus Gathered:

Flood
Orkish WAAAAAGH
Tyranid Hivefleet
HMHVV
Posleen
Megarachnid
Jenova
Alt. Universe
Black Crusade
Godular's "Nemesis"
No Endorse's "Empire."
Cosmic Balance's "Dune-esque"
Bal's "Alternates" and "Unbeatables"
Pirate Wars.

How about a posleen swarm? Highly advanced, but totally moronic as a general rule. Kills and eats...everything. Breeds like nothing else can(time from conception to adulthood is some 18 months) and all of them are fully functioning hermaphrodites. Seeing as they are kindof like a giant Mongol Horde in space, they have similarities to both a WAAAAAAAAAGH! and a Hivefleet. If we can't get the Posies, I want a hivefleet, as they're cooler than Orks. And they can't defy the laws of physics simply because they want it to work. If you paint it red, it really does go faster...

I agree, however what we need more than an idea is a poster willing to accept and write from the perspective of the great menace. In times past that has been me, however due to my, eh, popularity with some people it has been impossible to restart a great war that we've seen in the past.

But you never know.

I would begin by advising

Megarachnid swarm - I know I do love them.

Alternate Universe - Say we throw the NS world upside down and inside out and create a universe where mankind is struggling to survive against a great threat. For example Sith and Jedi, Empire and GFFA all having to work together to fend of this threat. As to what it is I'm unsure.

Jenova type scenario -

All of the above are cliche' I know but meh, I gave some input.

Alternate Universe - Say we throw the NS world upside down and inside out and create a universe where mankind is struggling to survive against a great threat. For example Sith and Jedi, Empire and GFFA all having to work together to fend of this threat. As to what it is I'm unsure.




Sithy old friend, I have the perfect scenario for you, to build upon your idea:

Another Black Crusade, hosted by our very own Lords of Chaos (Chron, you, me, etc)

We move out with our Demonic Legions of Hell, to seize control of the Universe for the Dark Gods.


It would be epic to say the least.....

If I get a few things sorted out (both IRL and rooting out all the n00biness that now plagues Relative Liberty), I might participate.
My vote's for teh WAAAGH!, though I wouldn't mind a Hive Fleet either. An extra-galactical first encounter might be something too. Like really aggressive von Neumann probes that consumes everything they encounter.

If I get a few things sorted out (both IRL and rooting out all the n00biness that now plagues Relative Liberty), I might participate.
My vote's for teh WAAAGH!, though I wouldn't mind a Hive Fleet either. An extra-galactical first encounter might be something too. Like really aggressive von Neumann probes that consumes everything they encounter.

Orks would rock. I vote for the WAAAGH!!!! As soon as the ESUS/GFFA mess is done with...

I like all of the ideas, and would be willing to partipate just as long as the Eldar get to kick ass...:D

I wouldnt mind RPing as my newly created Kraeton race which are Tyranid-esque. Itd be fun, once we finish up in Charybdis

I agree, however what we need more than an idea is a poster willing to accept and write from the perspective of the great menace.

I might be willing to GM/RP_the_swarm some of these horrors. Always fun.

I might return to the FT realm. Not sure yet, though.

I'd been thinking up an epic-type RP for a while that could possibly involve bloody near everybody in FT if they wanted to. Tad difficult to describe but it'd also give me the opportunity to RP the bad guy(s) and whatnot.

Look to the skies when the Nemesis comes...

if we do the flood I was planning on making them to use as a weapon.

A possible idea, thought it violates canon in the worst ways, is either an assimilated/merged swarm super-race(all/most the good, none of the bad) or an alliance of swarm species.

Wanderjar, that rp would be so hard to get together and would take months to get going....But hey, sounds fun.

Hmmm...I would mention something about the Zerg, but it looks like we have plenty of the Zerg Swarms here. Hmmmm....how about something more...Star Wars-ish. Though it's presentation may have been a little off in some people's eyes, the whole way Palpatine caused the Clone Wars and stuff like that sounds good. Countries not happy with a certain thing and they break off, forming some group and fight who they broke off from. And then all kinds of nations could either gets involved or use the distraction to attack an enemy unnoticed etc etc.

But no matter the rps, I would gladly rp in any of them.

Wanderjar, that rp would be so hard to get together and would take months to get going....But hey, sounds fun.

Hmmm...I would mention something about the Zerg, but it looks like we have plenty of the Zerg Swarms here. Hmmmm....how about something more...Star Wars-ish. Though it's presentation may have been a little off in some people's eyes, the whole way Palpatine caused the Clone Wars and stuff like that sounds good. Countries not happy with a certain thing and they break off, forming some group and fight who they broke off from. And then all kinds of nations could either gets involved or use the distraction to attack an enemy unnoticed etc etc.

But no matter the rps, I would gladly rp in any of them.

Been done, most notably by Sith in his Second Clone Wars, with me and Doomingsland as the Seperatists. That was when I virus bombed Naboo, scourged Yavin and shattered the moons of Tenetia :D

I'd like to see a custom thing. I don't think that massive space battles between juggernaut nations is necessarily the end-all be-all. (as AWESOME as they are) What do you think of this idea?

Location: massive decadent empire on the downhill slide

premise: various internal political entities are vying for power in a climax/decaying civilization, with the corrupt central authority trying desperately to keep its hold on everything. Possible external threats, internal factions breaking away, and the inherent fun-ness of political infighting. Twould need a lot of OOC legwork in the form of mappage and a description of the political/military system. However, it would certainly be fun.

Possible positions:
Emperor and assorted cronies
State Religious official (if needed :P)
Military officer(s) who could incite revolt or something (just to have the military as a separate entity)
Intelligence office
Assorted vassal states, either attempting to break away or staying loyal
External threat (most likely an NPC, portrayed through either the Military officer(s) or a news agency)
Generic internal threats (rebels, gangs, et cetera)



Or, we could just declare a crusade against the demon chaos-worshipers and hope that the glory of the Forge Master sheathes us in immortal flame as we ride to war....

As something of an elaboration on my previous post. It's essentially a failed experiment that goes out of control due to... multiple errors in the programming. The error basically causes it to consider absolutely every form of civilization as an 'Enemy Target'.

The nice thing is that it would allow for two primary angles: Those who seek to destroy the experiment, and those who seek through whatever convoluted means to gain control over it. Haven't quite been able to figure out the exact nature of the experiment though, hence the somewhat vague nature of the initial mention. All I can say for certain is that its called 'The Nemesis'. Nemesis Project, Nemesis Strain, something...

I do like this idea, and, time allowing, I'll participate in something!

I have two suggestions.

The first involves the scenerio of the Alternates. Each person would play the most twisted, nightmareish version of themselves doing things they would not ever dream of with their real nations. This would provide overpowered enemies we would have to team up against to take care of. Also, who can play alternate versions of ourselves then us?

I am currently doing something like this in the White Tower Thread. Since a number of Thread participants are already FT it could conceviadly bleed over into FT without modification other than scope.



The other idea is harder to do and I don't know how to do the details but how about an invasion where battles and fighting is futile? It would force us to become creative and imaginative to come up with a solution to defeat the enemy (whatever it is). This would involve a lot of planning and communication between players. There could be a group of players playing the antagonists or we again could RP "THEM" beating the snot out of our forces.


It could even be a combo of both options if the alternates have to be healed/regenerated to cause damage to their vessels. Since all our weapons cause damage, it is reversed into repairing their vessels. I know it sounds silly but AD&D made a creature called a Nilbog that you had to heal to death but damage caused them to get better. I think they reasoned it was a goblin living backwards in time or something silly like that. If TSR/WotC can get away with it then we could too.

Sithy old friend, I have the perfect scenario for you, to build upon your idea:

Another Black Crusade, hosted by our very own Lords of Chaos (Chron, you, me, etc)

We move out with our Demonic Legions of Hell, to seize control of the Universe for the Dark Gods.


It would be epic to say the least.....

I'd be right along behind ya. mmmm hell legions

Bal, the only reservation I'd have about your ideas pertain to NPCs. I know I have a bear of a time with them, and I'm sure that many others do as well. It's hard to give an NPC a personality distinct from your own.

I mean, it's doable, but it's REALLY hard to RP against yourself.

The other idea is harder to do and I don't know how to do the details but how about an invasion where battles and fighting is futile?
Sounds like the prospects of the GFFA right now :P yeah yeah, cheap shot I know. But would the point be the impossibility of holding them off due to firepower?

I have two suggestions.

The first involves the scenerio of the Alternates. Each person would play the most twisted, nightmareish version of themselves doing things they would not ever dream of with their real nations. This would provide overpowered enemies we would have to team up against to take care of. Also, who can play alternate versions of ourselves then us?

I am currently doing something like this in the White Tower Thread. Since a number of Thread participants are already FT it could conceviadly bleed over into FT without modification other than scope.



The other idea is harder to do and I don't know how to do the details but how about an invasion where battles and fighting is futile? It would force us to become creative and imaginative to come up with a solution to defeat the enemy (whatever it is). This would involve a lot of planning and communication between players. There could be a group of players playing the antagonists or we again could RP "THEM" beating the snot out of our forces.


It could even be a combo of both options if the alternates have to be healed/regenerated to cause damage to their vessels. Since all our weapons cause damage, it is reversed into repairing their vessels. I know it sounds silly but AD&D made a creature called a Nilbog that you had to heal to death but damage caused them to get better. I think they reasoned it was a goblin living backwards in time or something silly like that. If TSR/WotC can get away with it then we could too.

Bal, two responses.

first, since Kajeenith is already me doing horrible twisted things does that mean that I would actually RP him being just the nicest soul you ever did meet?

Secondly, I've matured and added alot more to Kajeenith, and come to understand the beast I made a whole lot better than when I first wrote him up, possibly because I refused to admit that aspect of myself.

In combination with an Idea I had, I could concievably be the unbeatable enemy you spoke of, with part of the goal being to obtain the secret in Om and destroy him.

With a little discussion and planning, we could have possibly the greatest RP the forums have seen in awhile. It would go along with what you had in mind, AND what I had in mind, in destroying Kajeenith. I have both science and Fantasy to add. But, like I said, it would just require a little discussion and planning is all.

I'd be right along behind ya. mmmm hell legions

So would I, but not because I follow Chaos, but for the dark god part. Chron knows and understands why.

Having had some time to think, I have been mentioning to several people (you know who you are) that the Copen Galaxy contains a sizeable Ork population, and that it is on the verge of breaking loose.

There are well over one hundred trillion Orks within the Copen Galaxy itself, and I was thinking that the mighty Ork Waagh! scenario could take place within, and spread out from, the Copen Galaxy.

I am also gung-ho about the Tyranid Hive Fleet, but we should make it so much better and put the Zerg, Flood, and Aliens in there for kicks, and have the Tyranid Hive Fleet assimilate them into their Hive, thereby gaining their traits and such. Imagine! A Hive Tyrant fighting side by side with an Alien Queen! It would be awesome!

Even better! Combine the Hive Fleet and Ork Waagh! scenarios. Oh, the awesomeness.

Another awesome idea would be pirate wars. Space pirates fighting each other, or the government for some kind of valued commodity would be an interesting idea.

Orks sound interesting. Something original, however, (and not those annoying two-dimensional god-thingies Rian uses) could make for a truly unique RP here. Chaos Crusades have been done a hundred times, and invincible enemies are ten-a-penny.

I like the idea of creating nations, and weaving a complex tapestry of politics, soft powers, and relatively low technology, the epicness stemming from the fact that conflict is rare, and diplomacy and trade winning the day, for the most part. Cleverness and charisma versus big-ol' sloggin' fleets.

Orks sound interesting. Something original, however, (and not those annoying two-dimensional god-thingies Rian uses)

You've read things I've written? I had no idea I had a non-participant audience. I'f I'd known, I would've actually tried. Well, thanks. Now I actually have reason to make what I write better. I might even bother using a spell checker on occasion.

..isn't the entire point of RPing to read the stories of others? Anything that interests me, I'll read. I tend not to read most stories to their conclusion (although Chron's thread with Remiel taking on Daniel, and a planet caught in the crossfire would be a very firm exception to that rule), but, yes, I enjoy reading. I enjoy writing too, but I'd much prefer to read a well-written story, than, well, write one.

one that could be interesting could be where each person who wants to RP (a sensible maximum should be set) rp's a political party in a hyperthetical nation. one person who doesn't RP a party decides what events happen, each party comes up with a point of view, have polls to find out who wins elections (which should happen every 2 weeks to a month) people get to vote and then you rp having the government you could have coalitions of parties and what happens would be based on what the majority voted.

while not FT specifically if done seriously and without vote rigging (i.e. getting all your mates to vote for you because of you rather then what the parties are saying) it could be interesting and quite fun.

if anyone likes this telegraph my nation and i'll set it up.

How about something analogous to Dune: a world with a resource of such inestimable value that everyone wants to control it, but one which - for whatever reason - cannot be directly fought over? Thus byzantine power struggles involving alliances and betrayals, sabotage, assassination, even private wars in other nearby systems, all aimed at gaining the leverage needed to monopolize the planet.

It doesn't need to be a drug like spice; maybe the world's biosphere contains the genetic answer to effectively immortality or transhuman ascension; this could explain the need to not fight over the world directly (we don't know what it is that makes the ecosystem unique, so we're trying to leave it pristine. Maybe there are ancient ruins of incredible fragility, or maybe a divine race of largely apathetic superbeings who might be persuaded to do somebody a godlike favor under the right (and highly esoteric) circumstances, and who won't allow fighting in their system.

As far as I know, while the “treasure planet” scheme has been done, I don't think its been done under the limitation that you can't just show up with you omigod megafleet of irresistible pwnage. That would be a change, and might be fun.

Of course, if it is not some ravening horde of lunatics bent on some obscure objective that multiple nations inherently respond to with 'Oh no! We must stop them!' or some godlike entity bent on the same objective, or some political force with a stranglehold on some specific resource held as universally critical, it becomes rather evident that it is not the forces that makes an epic rp truly epic, but the story.

A truly epic series of RPs emphasizes multiple aspects of roleplay, combat scenes, negotiations, political intrigue, the occasional bout of romance, psychological introspection...

It ain't just a story where you bring in some holy crap overpowered force that is either trite, godlike, or both, and fling it against the armies of various others who said 'Meh, looks like a pleasant little war to me!' Its all well and good to ask for a list of what we want the next big invasion to be and who we want to be the perpetrators, but is there actually any point in considering such a tale any more than the equivalent of a barroom rumble?

There are very significant problems that come with even attempting to establish an epic RP of any form, and those can be summarized into just a few small concepts: "Attention Span", "Duration", "Plotline", and "Dedication".

'Attention Span' of course points out the difficulty in getting the proper RPers to participate in what one would wish to be an Epic RP. A great many folks on the boards nowadays are more interested in the relatively simple rp involving two fleets taking potshots at each other and in the end one side is declared the winner, less because of any real quality to the RP and more because of which side gives up first. An Epic RP is a lengthy venture, far above and beyond the scale of a simple combat engagement or diplomatic meeting. If somebody wants to get into an 'Epic RP' it is important to understand that it is not any other RP. One cannot pop in out of nowhere, blow things up, and pop back out. The fact that it is epic in and of itself throws any semblance of Simplicity out the window. It will be long. It will be convoluted. It will be pretty blood hard to keep up with.

Can you be certain that you will be able to participate in a meaningful manner for a significant amount of time? Can *I* be certain?

'Duration' points out another aspect of an epic RP: It is LONG. When it begins, it does so with the understanding that an ending will very likely not be reached in the foreseeable future. Chances are those who initiate it don't even know what the ending will be!

But while the Epic RP plods along with its convoluted, detailed, epic-scale plot... things outside the thread are changing. Allegiances change. Players have RL stuff come up and cannot post for large amounts of time. New technologies are 'developed'. New ships and new characters and new governments are introduced. When an RP begins and when it ends I can guarantee that very little will be unchanged in those folks who seek to participate. And such would run a very high risk of collapsing simply because some folks realize/decide that they have little to no reason to keep up that particular RP...

*Sigh... RIP Sivv'Nakh... you held so much promise...*

'Plotline' of course points out that an Epic RP also needs to have a great many twists and turns, with relatively apparent, though HIGHLY daunting goals, but little to work with in terms of actually achieving them. Take the example of the 'Lord of the Rings' series. The big all-consuming goal? Throw a ring into a pit of lava. But holy crap how it managed to make what would have been a simple little errand into one of the most celebrated works of literature today.

It plays into the attention span and duration aspects, as a good plot will do much to remedy the situation. A good plot keeps attention. A good plot keeps people coming back for more. A good plot keeps them from moving on to check out other threads. And much though I hate to say it, war doesn't make for a good plotline.

Oh, don't get me wrong. War makes a dull thread interesting, such is true. And what would the Lord of the Rings have been without the battles at Helm's Deep and Minas Tirith? When worlds hang in the balance it is foolishness to think that nobody will open fire. It is a very important and very effective plot addition, but it should not be the plot in and of itself. A backdrop, yes. A sudden spurt of explosions to get the sleeping moviegoers attention, yes. Things blowing up for little to no apparent reason and people trying to act all valorous for even less of a rationale? Such is a recipe for monotony, and as such inherently doomed...

*Sigh again... RIP Heroes and Villains... A Star Wars Cold War could have been so much more...*

And finally... 'Dedication'. An extension of Attention span and Duration. If you want in on a purportedly 'Epic' Rp... for the love of whatever upper level deity you happen to worship... be in it for the long haul! It is something of a committment beyond the simple RP of moving in and filling a group of enemy ships full of holes and cheering with sadistic glee. It is a simple fact that ya need to RP Characters, first and foremost, and forces a significant second. RPing characters is generally a bit more difficult than RPing fleets. You can't numberwank on a spy mission. You can't blow everything to smithereens in a story of political intrigue. You need to honest to goodness play roles.

Now, I will comment that I have been guilty of a goodly amount of the things I railed against above. And I can only shake my head at such things and hope that I remember the stupid bloody things I have done the next time I get into some RP. I tried to change my Kythons into a unified consciousness. What happened? I lost the ability to actually RP CHARACTERS. I lost the ability to have internal dialogues and byplay. I lost the ability to RP fallibility. And I am not afraid to admit that such actions have burned a great many bridges, though I would like to mend such things at some point. I want to get back into the immense spinnings of tales from the perspectives of a ragtag band of everyday folks rather unceremoniously dumbed into world-spanning plots of intrigue and machiavellian machinations...

(not getting rid of my Kythons though... I love those guys...)

In the end though, what makes an 'Epic' RP? First and foremost its supposed to be a DAMN good read. One where the reader can actually immerse him/herself into the story and join in on the ride. But then, does not any average character RP turn into that very thing?

We can throw out suggestions of Flood, Orks, Demons, Borg, Vong, Zerg, Killer Clowns, Ori, Insert-psychopathic-demigod-here, or even the somewhat more resilient Kythons I myself mentioned... but that's not gonna lead to an epic RP. All its gonna lead to is people sitting around thinking that an invasion of some type is the only thing that an 'Epic RP' consists of.

If we want epic RPs, we should just have more Character based RPs. Get people RPing away from their bigass fleets of uberdoom. Bring the 'Roleplay' back into 'Roleplaying'. Make things human again, and we might actually get some good stories going.

Having had some time to think, I have been mentioning to several people (you know who you are) that the Copen Galaxy contains a sizeable Ork population, and that it is on the verge of breaking loose.

There are well over one hundred trillion Orks within the Copen Galaxy itself, and I was thinking that the mighty Ork Waagh! scenario could take place within, and spread out from, the Copen Galaxy.

I am also gung-ho about the Tyranid Hive Fleet, but we should make it so much better and put the Zerg, Flood, and Aliens in there for kicks, and have the Tyranid Hive Fleet assimilate them into their Hive, thereby gaining their traits and such. Imagine! A Hive Tyrant fighting side by side with an Alien Queen! It would be awesome!

Even better! Combine the Hive Fleet and Ork Waagh! scenarios. Oh, the awesomeness.

No....Just....No. The fact that each of those species would attempt to draw the other into itself to improve upon itself (Or in the case of the Xenomorph merely propogate the species). No. Crossover, in that scale and sense is pointless and sad. And the fact it wouldn't be an alien queen anymore. It'd take a few iterations to extract the relevant DNA and integrate it into new Tyranids, which as a rule are tougher than the Xenomorphs by way of having those traits that are desirable already.

The only idea here that holds water is the Hive Fleet/WAAAGH as it would end up just like Octavius at the end of Leviathan

Then let's do as Godular suggested and undertake a massive Character RP.

I am willing to do this. You can place my name on the list of participants.

Just what are we going to RP? We don't want to resort to the same old fleet battles although we can use an element of preventing it as one of the reasons for the plot. Using the Lord of the Ring as an example, we could have to work together to prevent a massive war by destroying the ability to wage war.

Any suggestions?

I'm not implying that its the only thing for Epic Rp, but they are vectors thereof. We can implement everything you say in one of those scenarios and have it count as epic. It would be equal parts massed combat as well as chracter and development thereof.

The invasion by whatever is only one idea, and acts as a vector by which the story shifts from passive to active.

I wouldn't mind doing one, although Im still doing the Charybdis Cluster with my Tyranid-esque race. I don't really agree with Godular when he says that an army like the tyranids or anything that is *OMFG A SWARM!!* is bad as long as you know how to rp them right. It isnt entirely impossible to have a character RP with these creatures. The rules are just different and a bit more difficult (actually alot more difficult as I have come to learn) but still very doable and very good. Ive been doing it in the Charybdis Cluster RP, Rping as a hive fleet of my swarm aliens called the Kraetons, but their leader is an actual sentient person similar to Sarah Kerrigan from Starcraft. I haven't posted yet cause I have..writers block (NO!!) but im going to developp him more and more. Plus the idea of certain strains of these creatures becoming sentient sounds to me like an interesting and philisophical plot device for when these creatures are given mental freedom from the hive swarm.

But hell we should totally try something epic. I'd like to RP as my swarm of aliens and I can even make the planets for you guys.

Star Wars vs. Warhammer 40K?

Think about it, Stormtroopers fending off Imperial Guards, Darth Vader pwning some Space Marines, the emperor fighting off Chaos's advance on his mind! AT-ATs crushing Leman Russes!

Star Wars vs. Warhammer 40K?

Think about it, Stormtroopers fending off Imperial Guards, Darth Vader pwning some Space Marines, the emperor fighting off Chaos's advance on his mind! AT-ATs crushing Leman Russes!

Russes and Baneblades would be breaking Legs. You could expect this if me and Sith ever went to war :P Guard own Stromies, Vaders nothing next to a whole Legion, and the Emperor's too corrupt to resist the Gods. :D

Russes and Baneblades would be breaking Legs. You could expect this if me and Sith ever went to war :P Guard own Stromies, Vaders nothing next to a whole Legion, and the Emperor's too corrupt to resist the Gods. :D

The only way the guard could beat a group of determined Stormtroopers (like the 501st) is by sheer numbers, plus, the Empire has the Death Star and all the cool battleships, like Vader's Executioner.
Vader can pwn anything, even a whole legion of Space Marines, he's just that way.
And the emperor sucks anyways, so I dont care :p

And the AT-ATs would be stepping over the russes like they are only cockroaches.

The only way the guard could beat a group of determined Stormtroopers (like the 501st) is by sheer numbers, plus, the Empire has the Death Star and all the cool battleships, like Vader's Executioner.
Vader can pwn anything, even a whole legion of Space Marines, he's just that way.
And the emperor sucks anyways, so I dont care :p

And the AT-ATs would be stepping over the russes like they are only cockroaches.

We should talk. One as loyal to the Empire as yourself should surely be a friend of mine.

*Extends wrinkly grey hand crackling with power and deceit.*

We should talk. One as loyal to the Empire as yourself should surely be a friend of mine.

*Extends wrinkly grey hand crackling with power and deceit.*

I actually believe in a mix of both =p

But sure.

*Shakes hand, gets shocked*

Anyways, use droid armies, the guys from the WH40K are afraid of any souless machine.

The only way the guard could beat a group of determined Stormtroopers (like the 501st) is by sheer numbers, plus, the Empire has the Death Star and all the cool battleships, like Vader's Executioner.
Vader can pwn anything, even a whole legion of Space Marines, he's just that way.
And the emperor sucks anyways, so I dont care :p

And the AT-ATs would be stepping over the russes like they are only cockroaches.

Russes have the range and the decent firepower to knock out legs, Baneblades and Shadowswords more so. Once again you fall back on "because they are" as an excuse for your lack of actual comprehension.

Get some Kasrkin in and they'll show Stormies what for.

The Death Star has weaknesses in terms of speed, while the average Imperial ship can frag a planet. The Planetkiller by itself, or even a Blackstone would match the Death Star.

Next?

Russes have the range and the decent firepower to knock out legs, Baneblades and Shadowswords more so. Once again you fall back on "because they are" as an excuse for your lack of actual comprehension.

You assume that they're going to hit the legs. Last time I checked they were very small.

At long ranges an Imperial AT-AT has height as a vast advantage. She will be able to fire on a baneblade with greater potency than vice versa.

Get some Kasrkin in and they'll show Stormies what for.

Depends. The storm troopers in the expanded universe are a gizillion times better than the horrors from the movies. :( Either way, yes there will be a spammage war. But droid armies count for something.

The Death Star has weaknesses in terms of speed, while the average Imperial ship can frag a planet. The Planetkiller by itself, or even a Blackstone would match the Death Star.

The Blackstones are no longer a factor, I believe they were all destroyed, stolen or captured in the Gothic war and finally in the 13th Crusade.

The Empire however has the schematics and capability to produce the loveable suncrushers, far more potent if you ask me as a superweapon. Their schematics and weaponry are capable of a destruction incapable for the Imperium to match. Far superior than some ancient artefacts if you ask me. The Death is a crappy super weapon, including the second one. It's more of a statement and a political point than anything else.

An Imperium V Empire war would devolve into this.

GRIND.

Both are too vast to knock out in an all out war, both have vast manufacturing capabilities and planet killing weapons. Both have enough forces for countless ground wars.

Though I would have to say that the ability of Hyperspace providing the Empire gets good maps of the Milky Way, would hurt the Imperium considerably. Though the warp, has the edge of appearing from no where against Imperial forces. In both cases it results in mutual self destruction. There would be no clear winner. Only War.

Being "new" to the FT realm, comparatively speaking anyway, I realize that any opinion I might offer may not carry as much weight. I'll offer an opinion anyway. :p

I am all for something epic in scale. In fact, if this was something that encompassed most if not all of FT, that would be incredible. I particularly like the idea of a Tyranid hive fleet. One of such mammoth proportions that even enemies would need to band together just to survive. Not only could the written battles be truly breathtaking (with the talent here) but the infighting and distrust between "allies" would be a blast.

I also like the Cosmic Balance's suggestion of a single world or system that everyone wants for some reason but is so delicate that it can't be physically fought over. At least not by massive fleets and uber weapons. Politcal machinations, sabotage, assassinations, deals, and double crosses would be the tools of the trade in this kind of RP. Bring it on I say.

I hesitate to speak out in favor of crossover type scenarios simply because every kind of tech has its own adherants (I happen to be a firm believer in the might of the Adeptus Astartes). That being the case, the odds of the RP degenerating into a 'but insert tech here is better because.....' flame fest increase exponentially. Apples to oranges I say and not conducive to a great RP.

I am basically here to read a great story and participate in that story when the opportunity presents itself. My role in the current Charybis Cluster crusade is a very small one. A single planet preparing for the imminent Chaos invasion. Even so, I am having a blast being a part of it and reading the great writing.

You assume that they're going to hit the legs. Last time I checked they were very small.

At long ranges an Imperial AT-AT has height as a vast advantage. She will be able to fire on a baneblade with greater potency than vice versa.



Depends. The storm troopers in the expanded universe are a gizillion times better than the horrors from the movies. :( Either way, yes there will be a spammage war. But droid armies count for something.



The Blackstones are no longer a factor, I believe they were all destroyed, stolen or captured in the Gothic war and finally in the 13th Crusade.

The Empire however has the schematics and capability to produce the loveable suncrushers, far more potent if you ask me as a superweapon. Their schematics and weaponry are capable of a destruction incapable for the Imperium to match. Far superior than some ancient artefacts if you ask me. The Death is a crappy super weapon, including the second one. It's more of a statement and a political point than anything else.

An Imperium V Empire war would devolve into this.

GRIND.

Both are too vast to knock out in an all out war, both have vast manufacturing capabilities and planet killing weapons. Both have enough forces for countless ground wars.

Though I would have to say that the ability of Hyperspace providing the Empire gets good maps of the Milky Way, would hurt the Imperium considerably. Though the warp, has the edge of appearing from no where against Imperial forces. In both cases it results in mutual self destruction. There would be no clear winner. Only War.

Abaddon still has one Blackstone, and I was talking about if other factors, like say Chaos, got factored in. besides, Shadowswords are used to going up against height advantages, being Titan killers and all.

It's a moot point as the Imperium would trump the Empire on the ground, there'd be bitter stalemates in space and the whole thing would become a meat grinder

Why do just one? I keep hearing about the good old days of massive multi-thread plotlines.

Lets think about this carefully, and add a central backplot to them all.

Lets start off with the orc idea. Its a great starting point, we all go jump in on that, and follow its storyline.

However, midway through, its found out that something else is behind the orc thread.

The orc thread finishes, everyone goes home and investigates this other power.

Meanwhile, The wh40k and Star Wars worlds collide in a destructive manner.

Over the course of the war it becomes evident that the same devious mind behind this was also the same one behind the orcs, and that the WH40K Vs. Star Wars thing was a diversion tactic because it didn't want to be found out.

Ok, so the powers that be are upset by this point over however many threads it is devised to fill up the storyline. Its decided to go after thi entity and stop them once and for all.

As a sort of shield, This same power uses the Chaos Pantheon to invade anything and everything not already a loyal follower of Chaos. There could even be refrences back to the whole Starwars vs. WH40K thing, with Chaos again trying to invade the emperors mind. The concept of some sort of a mutant chaos/sith emperor hybrid is kinda frightening. Anyways, the Chaos pantheon is beaten back, and seizing the chance, everyone rushes off to destroy the one behind it all, before something else happens, only to find that its someone or something far stronger than they ever imagined.

Thus, they have to find a way to stop him, since a direct confrontation would be very destructive, and that's why the devious entity flees to the last place he/she/it feels safe, and its there that its safely destroyed, after an epic battle the likes of which Hollywood never has, nor ever will see.

Why does it have to be a crossover? Why do we have to use already made races? Lets have an epic of our own races, our own ideas, even if they are base on an existing race. Why just RP as the Empire or the Imperium of Man or the United Federation of Planets, or what SciFi thing when we can just create our own races, alliances, universe, worlds, even technology. I think that is the most fun of FT RPing. Making things yourself. I also agree with Ri-an about multiple threads with different characters from the same race. That would help the feel of this being a galaxywide (or dare I say universal) epic. Sure it would be cool to see 'Nids vs Klingons or The Empire Vs. The Gaul or even the Flood Vs. the Zerg. But would it really be a fun epic? I really think it would be better if we use our own races, even if they are based on an existing race in another SCIFI(like mine Kraetons = Nid/Zerg) or completely original.

Why does it have to be a crossover? Why do we have to use already made races? Lets have an epic of our own races, our own ideas, even if they are base on an existing race. Why just RP as the Empire or the Imperium of Man or the United Federation of Planets, or what SciFi thing when we can just create our own races, alliances, universe, worlds, even technology. I think that is the most fun of FT RPing. Making things yourself. I also agree with Ri-an about multiple threads with different characters from the same race. That would help the feel of this being a galaxywide (or dare I say universal) epic. Sure it would be cool to see 'Nids vs Klingons or The Empire Vs. The Gaul or even the Flood Vs. the Zerg. But would it really be a fun epic? I really think it would be better if we use our own races, even if they are based on an existing race in another SCIFI(like mine Kraetons = Nid/Zerg) or completely original.

Good Idea, I made my own, original races and technology designs, but never actually tested them. As long as it isn't a Gareen in an intelligence test, I'm for it.

What about this? Large nation X (say Chron, Godular or Sith) gets invaded by Orks/'Nids/whatever, and just barely fight off the invasion force, leaving the empire devastated.
In an effort to rebuild the nation, large amounts of money are printed. A great recession follows, in which the value of X's currency decreases dramatically. All foreign investments is therefore useless, trade ceases and starvation follows. Effects on foreign economies is dramatic, and the universe faces a Great Depression of enourmous proportions.
Trying to re-balance their economies, all nations begin trying to acquire large amounts of goods and commodoties (as well as different means of buying things, such as gold and other valuable metals). This is done by conquering planets which produce such goods, and spending huge sums on producing tanks, ships and the like. Skirmishes between the nations ensues, things spiral out of control and all out war follows. Forge worlds and the like are unharmed, as no factions want to destroy them; but population centres are mercilessly bombarded, blown to smithereens and conquered. The war transforms from a purely economical necessity, to a total war without any limitations or hope of peace.
Meanwhile, the economy has stabilized somewhat and some companies and independant traders begin to make money once again. Smuggling is at an all time high, as is piracy. The smugglers and pirates want the war to continue, as it has made their lives so much easier; but many larger companies, seeing that the economy has been stabilized and wanting a larger market (they can hardly trade within other countries in a total war) struggle to affect the (often corrupt) politicans. Some of the generals though, resist the crooked politicians' demands for peace, and the war carries on. Some of the companies set up their own armies, and civil war and chaos commences as peace-keeping corporations' armies tries to bring order to the universe, while smugglers and generals resist their attempts.

If not, I'll go with Ri-an's proposal.

Using your own tech is good and fun, but how do you keep people from going all "OMG! MY DEATH LAZER OF D00M CREATES A WARP-TIME CONTINUM HOLE AND SAWLLOWS YOUR SHIP AND NOT MINE COZ' IT HAZ TEH 1337 SHIELD!"?

What about this? Large nation X (say Chron, Godular or Sith) gets invaded by Orks/'Nids/whatever, and just barely fight off the invasion force, leaving the empire devastated.
In an effort to rebuild the nation, large amounts of money are printed. A great recession follows, in which the value of X's currency decreases dramatically. All foreign investments is therefore useless, trade ceases and starvation follows. Effects on foreign economies is dramatic, and the universe faces a Great Depression of enourmous proportions.
Trying to re-balance their economies, all nations begin trying to acquire large amounts of goods and commodoties (as well as different means of buying things, such as gold and other valuable metals). This is done by conquering planets which produce such goods, and spending huge sums on producing tanks, ships and the like. Skirmishes between the nations ensues, things spiral out of control and all out war follows. Forge worlds and the like are unharmed, as no factions want to destroy them; but population centres are mercilessly bombarded, blown to smithereens and conquered. The war transforms from a purely economical necessity, to a total war without any limitations or hope of peace.
Meanwhile, the economy has stabilized somewhat and some companies and independant traders begin to make money once again. Smuggling is at an all time high, as is piracy. The smugglers and pirates want the war to continue, as it has made their lives so much easier; but many larger companies, seeing that the economy has been stabilized and wanting a larger market (they can hardly trade within other countries in a total war) struggle to affect the (often corrupt) politicans. Some of the generals though, resist the crooked politicians' demands for peace, and the war carries on. Some of the companies set up their own armies, and civil war and chaos commences as peace-keeping corporations' armies tries to bring order to the universe, while smugglers and generals resist their attempts.

If not, I'll go with Ri-an's proposal.

What about people that are comepletly self-reliant, like me? would we then just worry about getting invaded? (provided someone's ambitous enough to come all the way to andromeda to get me of course.)

What about this? Large nation X (say Chron, Godular or Sith) gets invaded by Orks/'Nids/whatever, and just barely fight off the invasion force, leaving the empire devastated.
In an effort to rebuild the nation, large amounts of money are printed. A great recession follows, in which the value of X's currency decreases dramatically. All foreign investments is therefore useless, trade ceases and starvation follows. Effects on foreign economies is dramatic, and the universe faces a Great Depression of enourmous proportions.
Trying to re-balance their economies, all nations begin trying to acquire large amounts of goods and commodoties (as well as different means of buying things, such as gold and other valuable metals). This is done by conquering planets which produce such goods, and spending huge sums on producing tanks, ships and the like. Skirmishes between the nations ensues, things spiral out of control and all out war follows. Forge worlds and the like are unharmed, as no factions want to destroy them; but population centres are mercilessly bombarded, blown to smithereens and conquered. The war transforms from a purely economical necessity, to a total war without any limitations or hope of peace.
Meanwhile, the economy has stabilized somewhat and some companies and independant traders begin to make money once again. Smuggling is at an all time high, as is piracy. The smugglers and pirates want the war to continue, as it has made their lives so much easier; but many larger companies, seeing that the economy has been stabilized and wanting a larger market (they can hardly trade within other countries in a total war) struggle to affect the (often corrupt) politicans. Some of the generals though, resist the crooked politicians' demands for peace, and the war carries on. Some of the companies set up their own armies, and civil war and chaos commences as peace-keeping corporations' armies tries to bring order to the universe, while smugglers and generals resist their attempts.

If not, I'll go with Ri-an's proposal.

Wow, very well thought up. I like a war that has many faces and many sides

Using your own tech is good and fun, but how do you keep people from going all "OMG! MY DEATH LAZER OF D00M CREATES A WARP-TIME CONTINUM HOLE AND SAWLLOWS YOUR SHIP AND NOT MINE COZ' IT HAZ TEH 1337 SHIELD!"?

Well first of all I doubt that anyone here is going to go all "ZOMFG!! I HATH TEH LAZAR OF ULTIMATE D000MZ!!!1!!shift+1!!eleven I PWN3D ALL COZ IM A HAXXOR THAT ROXXORZ YOR SOXXORZ" if we were to create such an epic. We have alot of older people here that have done more RPs than I have posts. And Im not a bad RPer either. At least I try not to be.

Also, when making technology you do your research. For example, when choosing between a Railgun and Gauss Coilgun, look it up. Railguns are more powerful but are less durable and use less energy, while Coilguns are more durable but are less powerful and use more power to use*. Most people on NSFT do this. I personally stick with the evolving swarm since I know a bit more about biology and genetics than technology.

*Don't quote me on this

btw 950th post!! :)

Wow, very well thought up. I like a war that has many faces and many sides



Well first of all I doubt that anyone here is going to go all "ZOMFG!! I HATH TEH LAZAR OF ULTIMATE D000MZ!!!1!!shift+1!!eleven I PWN3D ALL COZ IM A HAXXOR THAT ROXXORZ YOR SOXXORZ" if we were to create such an epic. We have alot of older people here that have done more RPs than I have posts. And Im not a bad RPer either. At least I try not to be.

Also, when making technology you do your research. For example, when choosing between a Railgun and Gauss Coilgun, look it up. Railguns are more powerful but are less durable and use less energy, while Coilguns are more durable but are less powerful and use more power to use*. Most people on NSFT do this. I personally stick with the evolving swarm since I know a bit more about biology and genetics than technology.

*Don't quote me on this

btw 950th post!! :)


Sorry to hijack, but anytime you want to begin, please tell me (I.e, Charybdis Cluster war). If you already have posted, please TG me a link and I'll respond. Thanks!

What about people that are comepletly self-reliant, like me? would we then just worry about getting invaded? (provided someone's ambitous enough to come all the way to andromeda to get me of course.)

I didn't actually consider the possibility of totally self-reliant nations, since those don't exist in reality. I'm sure we can think of something that either takes away this self-reliancy, or somehow makes this a threat to you.
Maybe you would see an opportunity to expand and to conquer new worlds and try to take advantage of the situation; or maybe you are also ravaged by this Ork/'Nid/whatever invasion and thus forces you to begin trade with other nations. As a very large amount of trad eis made in X's currency, you too are affected by the depression. Perhaps this invasion is really your machination, or maybe you get caught in the middle between the different sides in the chaos that follows.
Let's say parts of this invasion force reaches your lands. Not being at full strength, it cannot overwhelm you. However, you cannot, for some reason or another (civil unrest, economical weaknesses, recent involvment in a large war or other domestic troubles) beat them back but only contain the threat. Outer systems are completely overrun, but the inner defesive perimeter holds while you gather strength. Now, fast forwarding theough X defending himself, recession and such, someone of us, seeing a target whose planets have not yet been ravaged by this total war, decides to invade. You are caught between the remnants of the invasion, and the new enemy.

Sorry to hijack, but anytime you want to begin, please tell me (I.e, Charybdis Cluster war). If you already have posted, please TG me a link and I'll respond. Thanks!

I havent posted it on the forum yet, but You can start it now on the Charybdis Thread. Ill be on tonight. Right now Im doing C++.

I didn't actually consider the possibility of totally self-reliant nations, since those don't exist in reality. I'm sure we can think of something that either takes away this self-reliancy, or somehow makes this a threat to you.
Maybe you would see an opportunity to expand and to conquer new worlds and try to take advantage of the situation; or maybe you are also ravaged by this Ork/'Nid/whatever invasion and thus forces you to begin trade with other nations. As a very large amount of trad eis made in X's currency, you too are affected by the depression. Perhaps this invasion is really your machination, or maybe you get caught in the middle between the different sides in the chaos that follows.
Let's say parts of this invasion force reaches your lands. Not being at full strength, it cannot overwhelm you. However, you cannot, for some reason or another (civil unrest, economical weaknesses, recent involvment in a large war or other domestic troubles) beat them back but only contain the threat. Outer systems are completely overrun, but the inner defesive perimeter holds while you gather strength. Now, fast forwarding theough X defending himself, recession and such, someone of us, seeing a target whose planets have not yet been ravaged by this total war, decides to invade. You are caught between the remnants of the invasion, and the new enemy.

I like the whole this invasion is my idea part, but Ri-an isn't completly back to full strength yet either and so concievably, the orcs could turn on me as well which would lead to the fighting, which would lead to people wanting me for my natural resources. (I have a lot, since I own multiple worlds.)

People could also seek the legendary world of Om. Om is a world, but, like Eon of the fantastic Four series, is a living being of its own. It has vast resources to plunder enough to rebuild any one nation, but being the sentitent world it is, also repels outsiders. The hardest part is creating the conditions to get to Om, because its completely outside the STC.

Actually, there is some amusement that I draw from that suggestion... not about the economic recession part... but for one amusing little thing that the Godulans might attempt just for S&G's...

Gun Running. A massive campaign of gun running, and training, and generalized military support... to every seditionist and revolutionary element known to the universe as a whole. Does anybody understand the amount of chaos that would be put forth if little terrorist groups suddenly started popping up not with secondhand blasters and bolters but with far more advanced weapons, and with highly advanced combat tactics, and inside information out the wazoo?

It'd throw things into utter pandemonium... Chronosia would be blissed out.

Actually, there is some amusement that I draw from that suggestion... not about the economic recession part... but for one amusing little thing that the Godulans might attempt just for S&G's...

Gun Running. A massive campaign of gun running, and training, and generalized military support... to every seditionist and revolutionary element known to the universe as a whole. Does anybody understand the amount of chaos that would be put forth if little terrorist groups suddenly started popping up not with secondhand blasters and bolters but with far more advanced weapons, and with highly advanced combat tactics, and inside information out the wazoo?

It'd throw things into utter pandemonium... Chronosia would be blissed out.

hehe, we would get to see Chron show us the very meaning of too much of a good thing. poor man would never be the same again.

There can never be too much of a good thing! :D We'd make good use of all pandemonium, revel in it. It makes us stronger, after all

Both sets of Ideas are good though. Why don't we do relative liberty's idea first, as a sort of way to make sure we all have at least icly met. Maybe not on favorable terms, but we have met icly. Like an Ice cream social, only bigger, and with guns and knives, instead of Ice cream and cones, and lots of unneccessary gratuitous violence instead of flirting.

This way, when we get to the gigantic massive multi-thread plot we're all aquanted.

Both sets of Ideas are good though. Why don't we do relative liberty's idea first, as a sort of way to make sure we all have at least icly met. Maybe not on favorable terms, but we have met icly. Like an Ice cream social, only bigger, and with guns and knives, instead of Ice cream and cones, and lots of unneccessary gratuitous violence instead of flirting.

This way, when we get to the gigantic massive multi-thread plot we're all aquanted.

agreed. Ill gather some information about my swarm aliens and post them eventually on NS Wiki and here for reference and help.

I must say, I do rather like Ri-an’s idea (not least because I was thinking of something similar), and would like to suggest some elaborations. First, I’m a big believer in the dramatic worth of personal villains, even if unseen ones. And good villains have to have intellectual power and, oddly enough, generally sympathetic motives, a favourite being the urge to order the universe – Palpatine (well, not the psychotic, and literally comic book, clone), Sauron, and so on, lots of memorable villains have this as their objective – almost invariably with them at the top of the resulting order, mind. This is something that’s reflected in part in reality – there’s little doubt that Lenin and Trotsky, and to some degree Mao, Stalin, Hitler and Pol-Pot (in declining order of my estimation of their ideological commitment), for example, believed firmly in what they were doing in creating a ‘better order’ no matter how perverse it happened to be.

Oddly enough, I have a rarely used (and vastly more wanktastic than my main nation, which is saying something) puppet (based off of the original series {and to a lesser extent the new series} Dr Who) that should have just such a character, with all sorts of powers, but without being too impressive in person, but rather dependant on his intellect.

I see the antagonist here as wishing to establish a universal order for the good of all people, and not much caring how many eggshells he has to break to get it done, and at least at first, inducing things like crossovers and swarm-events and such, as well as civil wars and so forth, according to his plan for doing away with oppressive or over-independent regimes, to replace them with his own design.

Of course, it’s a madman’s endeavour to try and do that, even over the course of centuries or millennia, and he will doubtless fail and be cast down or destroyed. Retaining the ‘living world’ idea, I can think of a fair few things for that, too.

I must say, I do rather like Ri-an’s idea (not least because I was thinking of something similar), and would like to suggest some elaborations. First, I’m a big believer in the dramatic worth of personal villains, even if unseen ones. And good villains have to have intellectual power and, oddly enough, generally sympathetic motives, a favourite being the urge to order the universe – Palpatine (well, not the psychotic, and literally comic book, clone), Sauron, and so on, lots of memorable villains have this as their objective – almost invariably with them at the top of the resulting order, mind. This is something that’s reflected in part in reality – there’s little doubt that Lenin and Trotsky, and to some degree Mao, Stalin, Hitler and Pol-Pot (in declining order of my estimation of their ideological commitment), for example, believed firmly in what they were doing in creating a ‘better order’ no matter how perverse it happened to be.

Oddly enough, I have a rarely used (and vastly more wanktastic than my main nation, which is saying something) puppet (based off of the original series {and to a lesser extent the new series} Dr Who) that should have just such a character, with all sorts of powers, but without being too impressive in person, but rather dependant on his intellect.

I see the antagonist here as wishing to establish a universal order for the good of all people, and not much caring how many eggshells he has to break to get it done, and at least at first, inducing things like crossovers and swarm-events and such, as well as civil wars and so forth, according to his plan for doing away with oppressive or over-independent regimes, to replace them with his own design.

Of course, it’s a madman’s endeavour to try and do that, even over the course of centuries or millennia, and he will doubtless fail and be cast down or destroyed. Retaining the ‘living world’ idea, I can think of a fair few things for that, too.

You scare me, have you been reading my mind?

Seriously, that's part of Kajeenith's ideology, he's not hurting people, he's helping them, making them better.

His ultimate goal, is the complete and utter destruction of all things so that he himself can obtain his ultimate and mosrt perfect form, which is of course, to not exist at all. He knows destroying everything will destroy him, and that's what he wants.

The living world of om.

I could use help for that. Yes its outside the Space/time Continuum, having its own self contained variation, but its also a part of our creation, and things there effect things here, and vice versa. Its earth like, but with native american style civilization, from both north and south america, enstead of the european and asian cultures we're so used to.

Also, there's a really big gigantic huge temple no one has ever been able to get into, at least according to known history.

First off. The horde idea is old. The horde comes and ravages the planets. Where did the horde come from? Idiots don't make spaceships-- they have to have a master. The plot could be finding the source of the horde and destroying it. Berserkers could pave the way for a machine civilization that takes over the conquered planets.

Or it could be that the hordes are terraforming equipment designed to kill everything off so the real nasties can show up. It is a better plot device. Bad then badder.

You scare me, have you been reading my mind?
No, but the monster never sees a monster in the mirror, and it's a fairly common human theme.
Seriously, that's part of Kajeenith's ideology, he's not hurting people, he's helping them, making them better.

His ultimate goal, is the complete and utter destruction of all things so that he himself can obtain his ultimate and mosrt perfect form, which is of course, to not exist at all. He knows destroying everything will destroy him, and that's what he wants.

The living world of om.
This seems contradictory. Helping people and destroying them are generally mutually exclusive except in some form of schitzophenia. It might interest you to know that, speaking of Tolkien, as before, this was Melkor's canonical intention, save that he longed to possess the 'Secret Fire' and so become God, and wished to destroy all creation in so doing, in order to eventually replace it with something of his own design. In comparison, his servant, Sauron, was out to order the world for the benefit of everyone else, but lacked the skill to understand the ways of mortals, treating them instead as machines. Sauron thus, was rather less insane.
I could use help for that. Yes its outside the Space/time Continuum, having its own self contained variation, but its also a part of our creation, and things there effect things here, and vice versa. Its earth like, but with native american style civilization, from both north and south america, enstead of the european and asian cultures we're so used to.
In that case, with a pseudo-scientific explanation, I'd have it exist as a tesseract, a four-dimensional object, with a three-dimensional imprint in reality; rather like the footprint of a boot. Hence, if three dimensional people enter it, it's like two dimensional people getting into a football. The aperture could appear very small, but the 'interior' vast. Multiple simultaneous entrances could exist, with their apertures too small and sophisticated to allow starships and superweapons to enter.

This would explain how the sacred world was so difficult to find, and also allow for different physical laws and such therein, and allow destruction to be contained.

This is, incidentally, how the aforementioned uber-puppet's starships work. Perhaps it could be some work of theirs in the distant mythical (and hell, they've forgotten much of their history) past or future to some unknown end.
Also, there's a really big gigantic huge temple no one has ever been able to get into, at least according to known history.
I'd put it vice versa, using the method suggested above, with the Imperishable Edifice's (temple, but I like the term edifice) gateway actually being the entrance.

This is, incidentally, how the aforementioned uber-puppet's starships work. Perhaps it could be some work of theirs in the distant mythical (and hell, they've forgotten much of their history) past or future to some unknown end.
I'd put it vice versa, using the method suggested above, with the Imperishable Edifice's (temple, but I like the term edifice) gateway actually being the entrance.

Again, your completly correct about the temple. Oh how do I explain my line of thinking. The Maya and the Aztecs were notable temple builders, and for the most part, that's how the temple looks, with some egyptian influences, and the top resembles Ankor Wat design. There is a Key to getting into the Temple of Om. without the key, its impossible to even Godmod your way in. the temple figures heavily into the world of Om though, because at least 50% of the resources, are in other entrances into the temple. Entrances heavily guarded by creatures that do not exist elsewhere, except in legend, or on fantasy heavy worlds.

these other entrances lead into rooms sealed off from the temple, unless of course, you have the Key.
One of my characters has this key, one of my good characters, and only certain characters can convince him to open the door, only one of which is actually one of my characters. The others are controlled by other players, who know, or can guess who they are.

But beyond that, these rooms, their like massive underground chambers, stockpiled with things offered as gifts, both to the world, to the temple, and, other things not relevant to the thread in which om would be reached, unless you just want to go explore om.

These caverns, the Temple was carved out of them, and Om itself. That's why the other doors.

for generations the native peoples worshiped at these caverns, mining the resources themselves. until cave ins and such buried them.

In response to C'tan's suggestion about the bad guys needing to have 'good intentions'

For Godulan Gun running, in their mind it IS for a good cause. They are always on the quest for knowledge, so in all honesty they would be doing it just so they could learn all they could about the resulting conflagrations. They are relatively callous about the nature of those who die in such engagements, caring only about the acquisition of information and learning all there is to know about insurgent elements and guerrilla tactics.

In their minds, or at least the minds of various renegades, the pursuit of knowledge makes anything into a good cause. They seek to expand their horizons, to widen their understanding, and they do not care who suffers in the process.

That wasn't quite what I was aiming for; such good goals make a villain memorable by showing how they could be heroes in another light or with a slightly changed history. The pursuit of knowledge for its own sake is generally not perceived as good, especially not if it causes widespread harm. Therefore, villains with that as an objective are, while different and original, not generally as emotive as those with ostensibly altruisitic goals.

I must say, I do rather like Ri-an’s idea (not least because I was thinking of something similar), and would like to suggest some elaborations. First, I’m a big believer in the dramatic worth of personal villains, even if unseen ones. And good villains have to have intellectual power and, oddly enough, generally sympathetic motives, a favourite being the urge to order the universe – Palpatine (well, not the psychotic, and literally comic book, clone), Sauron, and so on, lots of memorable villains have this as their objective – almost invariably with them at the top of the resulting order, mind. This is something that’s reflected in part in reality – there’s little doubt that Lenin and Trotsky, and to some degree Mao, Stalin, Hitler and Pol-Pot (in declining order of my estimation of their ideological commitment), for example, believed firmly in what they were doing in creating a ‘better order’ no matter how perverse it happened to be.

Oddly enough, I have a rarely used (and vastly more wanktastic than my main nation, which is saying something) puppet (based off of the original series {and to a lesser extent the new series} Dr Who) that should have just such a character, with all sorts of powers, but without being too impressive in person, but rather dependant on his intellect.

I see the antagonist here as wishing to establish a universal order for the good of all people, and not much caring how many eggshells he has to break to get it done, and at least at first, inducing things like crossovers and swarm-events and such, as well as civil wars and so forth, according to his plan for doing away with oppressive or over-independent regimes, to replace them with his own design.

Of course, it’s a madman’s endeavour to try and do that, even over the course of centuries or millennia, and he will doubtless fail and be cast down or destroyed. Retaining the ‘living world’ idea, I can think of a fair few things for that, too.

That is the entire purpose of the Empire and Unified Sith as a whole. Her entire foreign policy for the past 2 Real Life years has been to pull nations in and enforce a common order upon NS. And yet they still call me evil, when all I want is the greater good!

I'm all for that idea. I'm also interested in throwing the Empire into a Depression having large implications for the Milky Way as a whole.

What if we morphed the 'massive invasion' into some sort of devastating plague instead? Something along the lines of the bio weapon the decimated the 4th Imperium in David Weber's Dahak trilogy? Something so terrible that entire systems are quarantined in an effort to contain it. Empires and Republics alike fracture as interstellar travel comes to a near stand still. Perhaps the source of the plague is unknown. Maybe we need to go in search for it at the source in order to formulate a vaccine.

Just a thought..........

What if we morphed the 'massive invasion' into some sort of devastating plague instead? Something along the lines of the bio weapon the decimated the 4th Imperium in David Weber's Dahak trilogy? Something so terrible that entire systems are quarantined in an effort to contain it. Empires and Republics alike fracture as interstellar travel comes to a near stand still. Perhaps the source of the plague is unknown. Maybe we need to go in search for it at the source in order to formulate a vaccine.

Just a thought..........

That's actually quite interesting.

That wasn't quite what I was aiming for; such good goals make a villain memorable by showing how they could be heroes in another light or with a slightly changed history. The pursuit of knowledge for its own sake is generally not perceived as good, especially not if it causes widespread harm. Therefore, villains with that as an objective are, while different and original, not generally as emotive as those with ostensibly altruisitic goals.

I would agree on that, and in most cases they would be something like silent lookers-on as most of the fighting took place, though if you mean a truly emotive villain, I'm gonna be introducing a character into one of CW's threads who is gonna be doing some rather heinous things simply because he wishes to understand the concept of 'Beauty' and what constitutes beauty for different people...

In the case of the Gun Running scenarios, the involved Avatars would be studying the concepts of fear, foremost among the various subjects, and how multiple nations deal with terroristic elements and overcome that fear. If they can understand fear, they can better approach similar situations in the future that might attempt to crop up, and provide assistance with defeating it.

The renegade Godulans would just have a small issue with... scale...

What if we morphed the 'massive invasion' into some sort of devastating plague instead? Something along the lines of the bio weapon the decimated the 4th Imperium in David Weber's Dahak trilogy? Something so terrible that entire systems are quarantined in an effort to contain it. Empires and Republics alike fracture as interstellar travel comes to a near stand still. Perhaps the source of the plague is unknown. Maybe we need to go in search for it at the source in order to formulate a vaccine.

Just a thought..........

Considering this, we could make up a disease. I have one in mind, with absolutly no science behind it. I'm sure someone can make up science to go with it, but basicly, its a disease that affects all form of life.

It is communicated by touch, by breath, by fluid by food. It can survive for months at a time without infecting a host.

It rots the flesh, jellies the bones, and crystalizes the bodily fluids. It doesn't matter if your sentient, what your species is, or if your a wild beast. It will infect you either way.

The disease has a few stages. In the beginning, the flesh becomes weak, and easily ruptured. Sometimes people fall for no reason.

Then, the symptoms begin. a little bit at a time.

If, within three weeks, the entity is not cured, then the disease becomes unstoppable.

At the end, the body burts open, with noxious gases carrying the disease.

At any stage of development, it can be transmitted.

It is called, The Void curse.

Being "new" to the FT realm, comparatively speaking anyway, I realize that any opinion I might offer may not carry as much weight. I'll offer an opinion anyway. :p
Considering how effective some of the newest members of FT are, and how damn dysfunctional some of the older ones are, I'd say that "age" has nothing to do with competence. Opinion away! Oh, and welcome to FT!

Using your own tech is good and fun, but how do you keep people from going all "OMG! MY DEATH LAZER OF D00M CREATES A WARP-TIME CONTINUM HOLE AND SAWLLOWS YOUR SHIP AND NOT MINE COZ' IT HAZ TEH 1337 SHIELD!"?
By having (a) Game Master(s) to hoist morons atop their petards in the name of beating the crap out of stupidity. Plus, it would have to be clear that the point wouldn't be to ZOMG WIN! It would be to make a story.



As for all of these crossover/generic random scifi invasion/ZOMG SWARM!! ideas, are we seriously going to look back and think "wow, it was a lot of fun to try to smash together some already pre-packaged stuff!"? Let's come up with something original, something that's not pre-packaged. It will mean a lot more, and will avoid the horrid "MY LAZERZ BEAT YOUR PHAZERZ" problem.

EDIT: here's a fun disease: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leishmaniasis No vaccine yet, and quite fun symptoms.

Would we really need to find a scientific (or pseudo-scientific to be more precise) explanation for this disease? Wouldn't it create an atmosphere of mystique if we just described the symptoms, leaving the ways of contamination and the very nature of the disease up to the imagination of the reader?

Would we really need to find a scientific (or pseudo-scientific to be more precise) explanation for this disease? Wouldn't it create an atmosphere of mystique if we just described the symptoms, leaving the ways of contamination and the very nature of the disease up to the imagination of the reader?

I was just talking about not having science, because alot of people it seems want some scientific basis for everything.

As for the other stuff, I was just offering up an idea for the disease.

I weren't criticizing you in any way, I were merely offering suggestions. I think we'd do better to leave the strictly scientific part out of this, as I don't think any of us knows enoguh about the inner workings of bacteriae (if indeed the disease is caused by bacteriae) to come up with a satsifactory explanation (satisfactory that is, to a biologist). The second reason for leaving it out, is a purely literal one; namely that I think it would create ''an atmosphere of mystique'' if we did.

Well, knowing the info oocly couldn't hurt. As for the cause, its a mutant hybrid of a bacteria with a virus in it. I learned somewhere once that since viruses are smaller than bacteria, that bacteria can get sick with a virus. This seems like a decent reasonable cause, because then, normal medicene cannot get rid of it. But the largest stumbling block, is Medical nanites.

But once the thread actually starts, we could RP researching this information.

Probably hazarding my ego a bit (or just carple tunnel for my fingers..) but there's my slowly building up Dark Ascendancy War idea coming off the heels of a bunch of diplomacy and personal event threads that would set up a series of events that lead the Gaian leaders to become a bit strained of each other, the Sphere to feel a bit of doubt, and one ancient family member actually dying, leaving a 'lacking' state that feels like the tase of something rotten in the mouth that all wont go away.

All the while the Dark Ascendancy finally find a way to breach the Dimensional barrier between both Dimensions, our own and the DA (relatively) dominated one, leading to a rather huge cross dimensional war that ends up seriously changing many things. Plenty of backstabbing on 'both' sides of the line, moments that make the survival from the Eternal War and two DE wars look like a picnic.

Always did wonder if the Gaians were 'forced' to fight forces like the Abh, Chronosia, CW, GE nations or others depending. Worse if Gaians and Angels had a major falling out. Plenty of things that can go badly wrong, before lessons are learned and resolutions made.

Lots of TGs needed to get it all done, lots of work. Depending on the willing that is. =^^=

Well there is, as a last resort the Shivans. :eek:

I had a dream once where we started a new alliance hellbent on forcibly converting all good nations to darkness and evil and eliminating any troublemakers.

II think we'd do better to leave the strictly scientific part out of this, as I don't think any of us knows enoguh about the inner workings of bacteriae (if indeed the disease is caused by bacteriae) to come up with a satsifactory explanation (satisfactory that is, to a biologist). The second reason for leaving it out, is a purely literal one; namely that I think it would create ''an atmosphere of mystique'' if we did.Truth is stranger than fiction.

The Black Death took three forms and spread two ways. Rodents carrying parasites carried bubonic and septicemic plague; the former made you break out in deadly boils, with death taking weeks, while the latter produced blood poisoning and killed you overnight without symptoms. Separate from this was pneumonic plague, which spread through saliva and fluids, coughed up or sneezed; this caused the lungs to hemmorage, leaving victims to drown in their blood.

Forget the exact symptoms and look at the pattern: if the pandemic has multiple forms, with multiple symptoms and multiple vectors, then it creates confusion, defies prognosis, and spreads fear.

Truth is stranger than fiction.

The Black Death took three forms and spread two ways. Rodents carrying parasites carried bubonic and septicemic plague; the former made you break out in deadly boils, with death taking weeks, while the latter produced blood poisoning and killed you overnight without symptoms. Separate from this was pneumonic plague, which spread through saliva and fluids, coughed up or sneezed; this caused the lungs to hemmorage, leaving victims to drown in their blood.

Forget the exact symptoms and look at the pattern: if the pandemic has multiple forms, with multiple symptoms and multiple vectors, then it creates confusion, defies prognosis, and spreads fear.

That's why mine can spread so many ways and can infect more than one species.

I figure if pandemics are confusing like what you discribed, than an intergalactic epidemic should be even more so. I regularly use creatures that live in space. one type in particular, the Space Mambo, can still enter atmospheres.

This could be one way the disease spreads.

First let me tip my hat to Chron for creating this thread. *tips hat*

Second, let me quote two ideas that I thought genius and worth rereading and combing.

How about something analogous to Dune: a world with a resource of such inestimable value that everyone wants to control it, but one which - for whatever reason - cannot be directly fought over? Thus byzantine power struggles involving alliances and betrayals, sabotage, assassination, even private wars in other nearby systems, all aimed at gaining the leverage needed to monopolize the planet.

It doesn't need to be a drug like spice; maybe the world's biosphere contains the genetic answer to effectively immortality or transhuman ascension; this could explain the need to not fight over the world directly (we don't know what it is that makes the ecosystem unique, so we're trying to leave it pristine. Maybe there are ancient ruins of incredible fragility, or maybe a divine race of largely apathetic superbeings who might be persuaded to do somebody a godlike favor under the right (and highly esoteric) circumstances, and who won't allow fighting in their system.

As far as I know, while the “treasure planet” scheme has been done, I don't think its been done under the limitation that you can't just show up with you omigod megafleet of irresistible pwnage. That would be a change, and might be fun.

I must say, I do rather like Ri-an’s idea (not least because I was thinking of something similar), and would like to suggest some elaborations. First, I’m a big believer in the dramatic worth of personal villains, even if unseen ones. And good villains have to have intellectual power and, oddly enough, generally sympathetic motives, a favourite being the urge to order the universe – Palpatine (well, not the psychotic, and literally comic book, clone), Sauron, and so on, lots of memorable villains have this as their objective – almost invariably with them at the top of the resulting order, mind. This is something that’s reflected in part in reality – there’s little doubt that Lenin and Trotsky, and to some degree Mao, Stalin, Hitler and Pol-Pot (in declining order of my estimation of their ideological commitment), for example, believed firmly in what they were doing in creating a ‘better order’ no matter how perverse it happened to be.

Oddly enough, I have a rarely used (and vastly more wanktastic than my main nation, which is saying something) puppet (based off of the original series {and to a lesser extent the new series} Dr Who) that should have just such a character, with all sorts of powers, but without being too impressive in person, but rather dependant on his intellect.

I see the antagonist here as wishing to establish a universal order for the good of all people, and not much caring how many eggshells he has to break to get it done, and at least at first, inducing things like crossovers and swarm-events and such, as well as civil wars and so forth, according to his plan for doing away with oppressive or over-independent regimes, to replace them with his own design.

Of course, it’s a madman’s endeavour to try and do that, even over the course of centuries or millennia, and he will doubtless fail and be cast down or destroyed. Retaining the ‘living world’ idea, I can think of a fair few things for that, too.



Now, here is my idea for the epic war/rp/any other name.

As Cosmic Balance said, there is a world (Like Frank Herberts Dune) that has a comodity that is vital to the advancement of life and or the key to healing human beings of genetic frailties for all time; or it could have a vital substance (ie gold, spice, dragonite, some genie in a bottle).

Now the universe in which this world exists in is made of several hundred systems and planets. All is ruled by the Grand Emperor, a man who has little real power and is only a puppet. The factions which vie for control of this planet each much court the other, for they cannot legally claim this planet unless they have the Grand Emperor's mandate, and should a faction be declared "illegal" or "disgraced" by their actions, they can be excommuticated in a fashion and all other factions are given a free hand at conquering them.

However while all this political in-fighting is taking place is a much larger threat. From the depths of the unknown and from the greatest extent of the galaxy is coming forth a swarm of monsters unlike any before. (in comes tyranid, zerg, etc hive fleet)

Some other out-universe factions (Eldar, etc) also arrive to proceed this threat to all and are either believed or turned upon as new enemies.

In the end, it comes down to who will support their fellows against this threat of total annihilation, who will protect their own interests, and who will even in the face of such insanity still grasp at their private goals to attain power...

some genie in a bottle).


Well, we could have Jeanie, after all, who doesnt want a hot blonde ready to make your every wish come true? :p

Now, here is my idea for the epic war/rp/any other name.

As Cosmic Balance said, there is a world (Like Frank Herberts Dune) that has a comodity that is vital to the advancement of life and or the key to healing human beings of genetic frailties for all time; or it could have a vital substance (ie gold, spice, dragonite, some genie in a bottle).

Now the universe in which this world exists in is made of several hundred systems and planets. All is ruled by the Grand Emperor, a man who has little real power and is only a puppet. The factions which vie for control of this planet each much court the other, for they cannot legally claim this planet unless they have the Grand Emperor's mandate, and should a faction be declared "illegal" or "disgraced" by their actions, they can be excommuticated in a fashion and all other factions are given a free hand at conquering them.

However while all this political in-fighting is taking place is a much larger threat. From the depths of the unknown and from the greatest extent of the galaxy is coming forth a swarm of monsters unlike any before. (in comes tyranid, zerg, etc hive fleet)

Some other out-universe factions (Eldar, etc) also arrive to proceed this threat to all and are either believed or turned upon as new enemies.

In the end, it comes down to who will support their fellows against this threat of total annihilation, who will protect their own interests, and who will even in the face of such insanity still grasp at their private goals to attain power...

As for the world part, why not combine combine the world part with Om. Om contains many things, Resources just being one of them. I could open parts of the temple, and you could try and find the secret of the elixer of Immortality, which is contained within the legendary fountain of youth.

The no large armies part comes in because the world activly repels outsiders, but a couple of small groups under the shadow of the key could get on and go looking.

But the releasing the seal unleashes said invasion, which while everyone's stabbing each other in the back for the secrets of Om, comes in and distracts them.

Going on even further, and combining a third excellent idea, as a last ditch effort to repel the intruders in the temple, Om releases the Void curse, causing massive wide spread disease, chaos and strife.

Its one thing after another, and it presents an oppurtunity for someone like Chronosia to step in and thoroughly take advantage of the situation.

Well, we could have Jeanie, after all, who doesnt want a hot blonde ready to make your every wish come true? :p

Me, that's who.

Now, a hot redhead, that's another story.

Me, that's who.

Now, a hot redhead, that's another story.

You can always wish for her to be redhead :D

Not that its particularly intresting compared with everything else posted here, if you would like, you can come to my coronation.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12048595#post12048595

I need to do this though, before I do anything else. Chron, you've been looking for a legit excuse to come see me ICly. Here you go.

If you want a disease, the "nemisis" could flood the STC around certain thrown worlds that infect the people. The dormant infection would be harmless until the carrier leaves the STC and returns. The infection would cause the viri in the carrier to mutate into various diseases that infect that species. The infection would not active every time and several ships could easily escape without even knowing they were transporting a carrier.

This would paralyize international travel aflicting goverments and corperations with depressions. The diseases would be seemingly random and based upon the racial and enviromental factors so it would be hard to trace them to a single cause other than ship travel.

Armies would be stranded in inconvienant places and if you risked travel, you could end up with plagues ravaging your armies. I imagine several forces out there would welcome this like those associated with a certain Chaos entity and they might even get the blame for it...

First off. The horde idea is old. The horde comes and ravages the planets. Where did the horde come from? Idiots don't make spaceships-- they have to have a master. The plot could be finding the source of the horde and destroying it. Berserkers could pave the way for a machine civilization that takes over the conquered planets.

Or it could be that the hordes are terraforming equipment designed to kill everything off so the real nasties can show up. It is a better plot device. Bad then badder.


Unless of course the horde in question was genetically tinkered with(zergesque), destroyed the tinkerers, and stole technology that they were genetically programmed to be able to construct, but not understand, or use effectively. When the average IQ for a foot soldeir is something like 70-odd, but they can still operate hightech weapons, and construct facilities for the production of further FT assets, then it can be assumed that somebody fucked up. And when you include things like your allies appearing from nowhere to warn you of the impending threat just 5 short years in advance of having something like 5-6 billion rapidly reproducing and cannibalistic aliens with better guns hammer your homeworld, add in the fact that you wouldn't buy a used car from said allies, and toss in the fact that they're clogging the pipeline of vital war materials so that you get butchered, all while sending troops to fight on other worlds to get the money to buy the war materials that you aren't getting from your supposed allies....

Yeah. Who says the horde has to be smart, or have a master?

As for the world part, why not combine combine the world part with Om. Om contains many things, Resources just being one of them. I could open parts of the temple, and you could try and find the secret of the elixer of Immortality, which is contained within the legendary fountain of youth.

The no large armies part comes in because the world activly repels outsiders, but a couple of small groups under the shadow of the key could get on and go looking.

But the releasing the seal unleashes said invasion, which while everyone's stabbing each other in the back for the secrets of Om, comes in and distracts them.

Going on even further, and combining a third excellent idea, as a last ditch effort to repel the intruders in the temple, Om releases the Void curse, causing massive wide spread disease, chaos and strife.

Its one thing after another, and it presents an oppurtunity for someone like Chronosia to step in and thoroughly take advantage of the situation.



Me, that's who.

Now, a hot redhead, that's another story.

Or we could try having an RP that isn't a repitition of half a hundred trite plot devices.

I would like to do a future tech zombie plague. There are your standard plague zombies, your standard mutant plague zombies-- extra arms, tentacles, beast men-- these can use weapons, and carriers or Liliths-- basically, a human with heightened senses, sexual musk, and an overriding urge to travel and infect people. Basically it is an RNA or DNA based alien protein that can rewrite the humanoid genomes gone out of control. It makes the zombies travel and infect. Your carriers and beasts want to get to as many solar systems as possible and infect as many creatures as possible.

Obviously, a galactic emperor is incompatible with the extant FT NS setting, unless one sets it in some distant galaxy

I would like to do a future tech zombie plague. There are your standard plague zombies, your standard mutant plague zombies-- extra arms, tentacles, beast men-- these can use weapons, and carriers or Liliths-- basically, a human with heightened senses, sexual musk, and an overriding urge to travel and infect people. Basically it is an RNA or DNA based alien protein that can rewrite the humanoid genomes gone out of control. It makes the zombies travel and infect. Your carriers and beasts want to get to as many solar systems as possible and infect as many creatures as possible.

Maybe, although a zombie plague is a bit outdrawn. Actually, I had been playing this race a while back that were these black symbiotes that took over dead corpses and reanimated them and turning them into regenerating soldier of the undead (think Organic Necrons). There were other interesting creatures in this race I was making like the Homonculus which are failed clones that died after birth. The symbiote is then injected into the clone's body before they rot and they are reanimated with heightened agility. It had started as a race of zombies but after a couple of failed RPs they had become an interesting race of the undead that were fast and agile and could regenerate. Unfortunately, they had to be put in the back burner because of a new race I am trying out. Still I wouldn't mine bringing them into the fray.

Obviously, a galactic emperor is incompatible with the extant FT NS setting, unless one sets it in some distant galaxy

Which is what I meant. We just transplant our nations to act as individual Houses, or dukedoms. So we are all a bunch of power hungry nobles or something. If you seen or read Dune, then you get the idea.

Allow me to present Na'tulcain.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=491151

A Necromancer type Mage, Na'tulcian is traversing the Galaxy in search of some greater power for his master. Who this master is, is unknown. What he is, is also unknown. The quest of Na'tulcian will probably be taking him to the eye of terror within the heart of the Milky Way, where he intends trap the swirling mass of warp demons and undead eldar. These, enslaved to Na'tulcian will be unleashed upon the NS verse at random in his quest to find the planet Daerwen.

Accompanied by an army of undead Orks, Balrogs, Megarachnids, Trolls, Space and Chaos Marines, Walking Skeletons and other terrors, he will harvest the souls of millions in his effort to obtain immortality.

Insert random destruction/ HUGE ammounts of character RP as well. Since he only starts off with one ship, I would think, say certain worlds he inflicts and infects with his blight could be heavily populated, forcing nations to fight against themselves in a giant Galactic civil war. Living against Dead. Trapped Vs the Free.

Allow me to present Na'tulcain.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=491151

A Necromancer type Mage, Na'tulcian is traversing the Galaxy in search of some greater power for his master. Who this master is, is unknown. What he is, is also unknown. The quest of Na'tulcian will probably be taking him to the eye of terror within the heart of the Milky Way, where he intends trap the swirling mass of warp demons and undead eldar. These, enslaved to Na'tulcian will be unleashed upon the NS verse at random in his quest to find the planet Daerwen.

Accompanied by an army of undead Orks, Balrogs, Trolls, Space and Chaos Marines, Walking Skeletons and other terrors, he will harvest the souls of millions in his effort to obtain immortality.

Insert random destruction/ HUGE ammounts of character RP as well. Since he only starts off with one ship, I would think say certain worlds he inflicts and infects with his blight could be heavily populated, forcing nations to fight against themselves in a giant Galactic civil war. Living against Dead. Trapped Vs the Free.

Interesting to say the least.

I agree, I read that rp and I am loving it right now, very well written. Anyways, I agree, I really do want to do more character rp, as I want to explore my nations culture and add bits to it, make it real. The military is all fleshed out and ready, if needed. But unless the situation needs it, I am more of a skirmish guy, fighting small, critical battles. I do best in those, as it is what my nation is suited for. That and mobile firepower but that is beside the point.

I personally would like something that had a lot of elements in it, religion, politics, personal struggles, romance, all key factors in the movies we watch. Battles, like someone said in this thread, should be like Helms Deep and Minas Tirith. They can be large and whatnot, but few and far between, and only when things come together to make it.

Thats just me though.

Reminds me of the Night's Dawn trilogy...

I havent posted it on the forum yet, but You can start it now on the Charybdis Thread. Ill be on tonight. Right now Im doing C++.

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If you need some help, TG me. I've used MSVC and bcc, under their respective environments.

On Topic:

Am thinking about the possibility of using characters like Marvel or TMM in a situation like this. I prefer to RP characters rather than institutions.

I have an idea, and it seems rather good, but only because I'm exausted after a full day of nothing but jolt and nationstates.

What about an RP, character based, where this great intergalactic entity with powers unexplainable by current science, takes and traps everyone on a random planet to fight to the finish, to decide who gets to live. The people trapped on the world would be cut off from all things off the planet, and would arrive with nothing, save for the clothes on their back, and a single dagger, made of, oh, say, steel sounds good. Their all deposited in the same general area and it takes off from there.

One person would refrain from particpating with a character, to serve as both the intergalactic entity, and to describe the environment, the creatures of the world, and its resources. The intergalactic entity would not however participate beyond initial RP in bringing the particpants to the world, and providing any neccessary interaction with the outside world, like if say for instance someone managed to find the world and attempted a rescue option, which is why that role would be doubled with environmental duties.

There would of course be diffrent possible ending scenarios with the most obvious two being one person killing the rest

OR, everyone banding together in the name of peace and refusing to kill.

The reason the intergalactic entity brings the characters in the world in the first place, is because he/she/it has been observing everyone and feels that so far, all civilizations are anything but civilised, and feels that in truth, everyone is just a bunch of highly intelligent primitives that show no promise in evolution, being that everyone has a history of violence in their nation. Violence of course being wrong for a species that is truely evolved and civilised.

After all, why do all RP's have to be explainible by logic, reason, or science?

OK...a few tidbits.

1) The disease and Medical Nannites: what if at least part of the disease IS Medical Nannites that have gone horribly wrong? Perhaps these can destroy other MN's...OR..."convert" them. There was a recent episode of Dr. Who where something similar (but much more correctable) happened. "Converted" MN's would be VERY difficult to detect because they would be difficult to tell apart from the MN's that would naturally be in a carrier's body. It's even possible that no one would even notice that there were such things, especially if they start building other diseases that...in another, ancient species, enhanced the species' abilities...(the bad guy with good intentions thing, only on a different (and much more mindless) scale)?

What if the disease started out as a Phage, a disease that does not attack the body directly, but produces toxins that cause harm? Phages are difficult for an immune system to react to because they don't cause any damage directly. The immune response to the phage toxins could trigger a change in the disease, turning it into something deadlier.

Someone wanted(?) :) a scientific explanation--well, there it is.

2) I like the idea of harbingers, of someone trying to warn the greater galaxy of what's coming. Maybe a little of The Cassandra Effect, too.

3) I think I wouldn't mind throwing away all my goodie-two-shoes characters and exclusively RPing someone who's decidedly evil. Will have to mull that over. :) :) :)

I have an idea, and it seems rather good, but only because I'm exausted after a full day of nothing but jolt and nationstates.

What about an RP, character based, where this great intergalactic entity with powers unexplainable by current science, takes and traps everyone on a random planet to fight to the finish, to decide who gets to live. The people trapped on the world would be cut off from all things off the planet, and would arrive with nothing, save for the clothes on their back, and a single dagger, made of, oh, say, steel sounds good. Their all deposited in the same general area and it takes off from there.

One person would refrain from particpating with a character, to serve as both the intergalactic entity, and to describe the environment, the creatures of the world, and its resources. The intergalactic entity would not however participate beyond initial RP in bringing the particpants to the world, and providing any neccessary interaction with the outside world, like if say for instance someone managed to find the world and attempted a rescue option, which is why that role would be doubled with environmental duties.

There would of course be diffrent possible ending scenarios with the most obvious two being one person killing the rest

OR, everyone banding together in the name of peace and refusing to kill.

The reason the intergalactic entity brings the characters in the world in the first place, is because he/she/it has been observing everyone and feels that so far, all civilizations are anything but civilised, and feels that in truth, everyone is just a bunch of highly intelligent primitives that show no promise in evolution, being that everyone has a history of violence in their nation. Violence of course being wrong for a species that is truely evolved and civilised.

After all, why do all RP's have to be explainible by logic, reason, or science?


I thought that was implied with Na'tulcian and his mage like abilities? Legions of the undead, and trapped eldar souls doing his bidding...

I think we should go for Na'tulcian!

One of the advantages of say a disease or conversion monster is that it doesn't have to be evil, it just wants to infect everyone that is all. It could even be nice to everyone infected. The horror would be the fear of being infected or changed into the new race. They could even believe they were being benevolent-- extending peoples lives, converting them to their religion, etc. Maybe they believe that the infected are superior and live better lives.

You could do a religious war where a group decides they want to convert everyone to their weird alien religion because they can't comprehend any other belief system.

You could do a religious war where a group decides they want to convert everyone to their weird alien religion because they can't comprehend any other belief system.

Well, its just a cryin shame we don't have any of those. The Chaos Pantheon, my Pantheon, Other various religons I made up to go along with RP's if they were needed.

Other nations and their pseudo religons.

Why didn't we think of this sooner?

One massive intergalactic religous war.

we could even write up our various religous texts to go along with our fake religons.

I don't even think its been done before.

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If you need some help, TG me. I've used MSVC and bcc, under their respective environments.


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I got help from a GSA but thanks. My teacher is being a douchebag and failing me now because I got his help, even though that is was the GSA is there for. And consiodering my teacher doesnt have office hours (he doesnt even have an office) I couldnt ask him for help. So now Im kinda fighting him with the dean.

On topic.

I definately would love to try this epic out. I can be either my Tyranid-esque race that I am trying out right now or my old undead race (although I think Unified Sith wants to do that so its all good amigo). But I would love to do a character RP, whatever the plotline is.

I think I'm just going to start a thread and have everyone who is interested post in the OOC. I don't really see anything getting done until someone gives the old push onward and starts something.

The reason why I advise the Na'tulcian idea, is for two reasons. I love writing from the characters perspective. Nations will be fighting with themselves and against each other making it very interesting from a point of roleplay and well there is a degree of mystery involved.

No ones knows who this master is?
Will nations throw together a band of heroes to defeat this menace?
Will the Chaos Gods rejoice in this attack, or resist the threat to their dominion?

So many questions so much options. Either way I've already got a character and plotline on the motion and would love to swing it for more people to get involved.

Cool. I think I may use my undead race, the Xjhum'bii, since I think most people here are against the massive swarming of Tyranid wannabees. Ill load up my character and tech sheets and Id like to join in. What is the IC/OOC thread?

I think I'll join in, using a gareen as a character. No intelligence, very strong, easily manipulated, what's not to love?

No, seriously, gareens fall for every trick in the book, repeatedly. I have a feeling I'll end up somone's slave, provided they have a psionic leash. Otherwise, Gareens have little to no paitence at all.

hehe remember the orion station RP you had I was RPing that one dead looking dude? Well hes coming back with his entire race. And this time, he has his memory

hehe remember the orion station RP you had I was RPing that one dead looking dude? Well hes coming back with his entire race. And this time, he has his memory

I'm glad I can help. OOCly, what is his story? I mean, how did he end up like that at my station?

I'm glad I can help. OOCly, what is his story? I mean, how did he end up like that at my station?

That will all be revealed in this RP...once Sith gives us the IC thread

Ok. I'm going to use a four armed Gareen, they have slightly more paitence than normal gareens, and their slightly stronger.

Aye aye. Then I shall be X'atl, the Fateseer of the Xjhum'bii race. I got up my bio of them and their units. Now I just need to make an army.

The Xjhum'bii are a dead race, the bodies of a long extinct species that once ruled over a massive galactic empire. The Xjhum'bii bodies are in fact two different creatures. The first is the carcass, while the second is the alien symbiote known as the Blyt. It is black and can only inhabit the bodies of the dead. Once it is in, it begins regeneratiing the body enough to where it could walk and move, thus keeping the dead appearance. The symbiote and creature have a shared consciousness now and are capable of regenerating rapidly. The symbiote itself is weak against fire. On the other side of the spectrum, tachyon waves increase their growth exponetially, causing them to spread rapidally into the nearest dead body. This is why the Lich has inside his rod a container of the Blyt as well as a Tachyon Emitter that makesthem spread and resurrects fallen comrades and enemies alike under the Scythe of the Xjhum'bii. The Xjhum'bii have a multitude of units and vehicles. One suce vehicle is the Bone Collector, the cornerstone in Xjhum'bii weaponary. It is a massive hovertank with twin Iota Mass Stream Batteries and Twin-linked Guass Coilbolters along with several nanotech tendrils that pick up the dead and place them inside for reassembly and deployment.

There are many more but for now I need to work on how many of every unit and vehicle I am taking with me into battle. Im gonna need some help from everyone cause Im no good at logistics.

Aye aye. Then I shall be X'atl, the Fateseer of the Xjhum'bii race. I got up my bio of them and their units. Now I just need to make an army.

The Xjhum'bii are a dead race, the bodies of a long extinct species that once ruled over a massive galactic empire. The Xjhum'bii bodies are in fact two different creatures. The first is the carcass, while the second is the alien symbiote known as the Blyt. It is black and can only inhabit the bodies of the dead. Once it is in, it begins regeneratiing the body enough to where it could walk and move, thus keeping the dead appearance. The symbiote and creature have a shared consciousness now and are capable of regenerating rapidly. The symbiote itself is weak against fire. On the other side of the spectrum, tachyon waves increase their growth exponetially, causing them to spread rapidally into the nearest dead body. This is why the Lich has inside his rod a container of the Blyt as well as a Tachyon Emitter that makesthem spread and resurrects fallen comrades and enemies alike under the Scythe of the Xjhum'bii. The Xjhum'bii have a multitude of units and vehicles. One suce vehicle is the Bone Collector, the cornerstone in Xjhum'bii weaponary. It is a massive hovertank with twin Iota Mass Stream Batteries and Twin-linked Guass Coilbolters along with several nanotech tendrils that pick up the dead and place them inside for reassembly and deployment.

There are many more but for now I need to work on how many of every unit and vehicle I am taking with me into battle. Im gonna need some help from everyone cause Im no good at logistics.

No worries here, Gareens are too stupid for even basic rudimentry logistics. They can't even comprehend the concept of gravity. But that's why I'm using them, a refreshing point of stupidity among so much scheming, plotting and planning.

I have an idea, and it seems rather good, but only because I'm exausted after a full day of nothing but jolt and nationstates.

What about an RP, character based, where this great intergalactic entity with powers unexplainable by current science, takes and traps everyone on a random planet to fight to the finish, to decide who gets to live. The people trapped on the world would be cut off from all things off the planet, and would arrive with nothing, save for the clothes on their back, and a single dagger, made of, oh, say, steel sounds good. Their all deposited in the same general area and it takes off from there.

One person would refrain from particpating with a character, to serve as both the intergalactic entity, and to describe the environment, the creatures of the world, and its resources. The intergalactic entity would not however participate beyond initial RP in bringing the particpants to the world, and providing any neccessary interaction with the outside world, like if say for instance someone managed to find the world and attempted a rescue option, which is why that role would be doubled with environmental duties.

There would of course be diffrent possible ending scenarios with the most obvious two being one person killing the rest

OR, everyone banding together in the name of peace and refusing to kill.

The reason the intergalactic entity brings the characters in the world in the first place, is because he/she/it has been observing everyone and feels that so far, all civilizations are anything but civilised, and feels that in truth, everyone is just a bunch of highly intelligent primitives that show no promise in evolution, being that everyone has a history of violence in their nation. Violence of course being wrong for a species that is truely evolved and civilised.

After all, why do all RP's have to be explainible by logic, reason, or science?

This sounds like a great idea! I have a character I'd love to use for this, but I'm not quite ready for him to die yet. (I have planz.... yes, planz.... they involve Chaos more than likely.... and possibly pizza)

I have an idea, and it seems rather good, but only because I'm exausted after a full day of nothing but jolt and nationstates.

What about an RP, character based, where this great intergalactic entity with powers unexplainable by current science, takes and traps everyone on a random planet to fight to the finish, to decide who gets to live. The people trapped on the world would be cut off from all things off the planet, and would arrive with nothing, save for the clothes on their back, and a single dagger, made of, oh, say, steel sounds good. Their all deposited in the same general area and it takes off from there.

One person would refrain from particpating with a character, to serve as both the intergalactic entity, and to describe the environment, the creatures of the world, and its resources. The intergalactic entity would not however participate beyond initial RP in bringing the particpants to the world, and providing any neccessary interaction with the outside world, like if say for instance someone managed to find the world and attempted a rescue option, which is why that role would be doubled with environmental duties.

There would of course be diffrent possible ending scenarios with the most obvious two being one person killing the rest

OR, everyone banding together in the name of peace and refusing to kill.

The reason the intergalactic entity brings the characters in the world in the first place, is because he/she/it has been observing everyone and feels that so far, all civilizations are anything but civilised, and feels that in truth, everyone is just a bunch of highly intelligent primitives that show no promise in evolution, being that everyone has a history of violence in their nation. Violence of course being wrong for a species that is truely evolved and civilised.

After all, why do all RP's have to be explainible by logic, reason, or science?

Because you just described an episode of Star Trek. Or, near enough to it.

It's the one where Kirk and the Gorn was trapped under the same scenario you described except they were weaponless. They had to devise their own weapons. Kirk made gunpowder.

Remember it now?



US, please post your link to the Thread you said you would make so others can read it.

It's the one where Kirk and the Gorn was trapped under the same scenario you described except they were weaponless. They had to devise their own weapons. Kirk made gunpowder.

Remember it now?



US, please post your link to the Thread you said you would make so others can read it.

Another, similar episode was the Good Vs Evil one. Which was actually the first one that came to mind.

Because you just described an episode of Star Trek. Or, near enough to it.

*wasn't going to call him on it, because the idea sounds fun so long as it doesn't become people trying to out-magic each other*

But that's just me and my love of using normal, mortal, fallible people as characters, and my loathing for people who can't make a character that can make mistakes, or have irrational moments :P

I'm interested. An FT Rubbish and Trash handling corporation that present a happy and nice facade where in reality we don't mind dabbling in the mud. Probably even could have two types of responses to foster whatever intergalatic disaster and make money from it... or protect our current markets and participate in the international effort.

I don't see any real reason why one secret section inside the TGM could cause problems as well...

I'm going to have the thread up tonight, sorry about the delay guys but have to finish of an essay for University first. Then I'm home free for several weeks. :D

Take your time then.

RL always comes first.

The Galactic Imperium (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12063687#post12063687)

I got bored with all the talky-wavy stuff here. So I decided to make something, instead.

*wasn't going to call him on it, because the idea sounds fun so long as it doesn't become people trying to out-magic each other*

But that's just me and my love of using normal, mortal, fallible people as characters, and my loathing for people who can't make a character that can make mistakes, or have irrational moments :P

Most of my characters are at least mentally imbalanced to some degree. Obsessives, psychotics, one schizo... Coupla paranoids...

..join in the Galactic Imperium! My first character's an paranoid, power-obsessed hedonist! And he's the nominal ruler of the damn galaxy!