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Hello everyone, Just me asking who would be interested in a RP set in 1895, that unless stated otherwise would go until 1945(don’t have a game speed system atm). And to avoid the race that normally plagues RPs set in this time our militaries can only use tech after certain events. For example we cant come up with the idea for a Dreadnought without first witnessing a major Pre-Dreadnought battle that shows how effective they would be(like the Russo-Japanese war IRL), Tanks would need a stalemate of armies in trenches and time for engine to develop well enough…Planes don’t come out until 1903 and for about 10 years after that can only be used as scouts. Get the point?

Map of the world as is
http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/8213/worldalternatehistoryiii1de.png

nations list:

Africa:
Ashanti Confederacy
Burundi
Liberia
Zanzibar
Abyssinia
Morocco
Transvaal

Asia:
Oman
Afghanistan
China(Brazilam) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12043475#post12043475)
Japan(Pyschotika)
Korea
Siam
Arabia
Persia
Hawaii

Europe:
Ottoman Empire(Shakal) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=509889)
Austria-Hungary(Candistan)
Belgium
Bulgaria(Kroando)
Serbia(Chivas Reg) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=509848)
Montenegro
Romania
Greece
Denmark(Waldenburg 2) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12063980#post12063980)
France(Persecution and Hatred)
Germany(Wanderjar)
Italy(Elite Battle Hordes) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12072279#post12072279)
Luxembourg
Moresnet
Netherlands
Portugal
Andorra
Monaco
San Marino
Switzerland
Russia(New Bonzawaniia)
Spain(Nebarri_Prime)
Sweden-Norway
United Kingdom(The Scandinvans)

N. America:
United States(Vietnamexico)
Mexico
Canada(Canland)
Costa Rica
Dominican Republic
El Salvador
Guatemala
Haiti(Linus and Lucy)
Honduras
Nicaragua

S. America:
Brazil
Argentina(No Taxes)
Bolivia
Chile
Ecuador
Paraguay
Peru
Uruguay
Venezuela
Columbia

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I am interested and would therefore like to claim China please. I'll set up a factbook as soon as possible.

Heil Deutschland!


I want Germany

hmm...I might want the Ottomans or Austria-Hungary. Depends on my mood at the time. I'll be back soon with the answer.

United States please

Vietnamexico
Wanderjar
Brazilam

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Candistan

alright

May I please have the U.K.?

The Scandinvans added as U.K.

I'll have Austria Hungary

and added as such

The Scandinvans added as U.K.Alright, I thank you for adding me. As for the tech thing good idea, but I think it would be wise to allow nations like the U.S. to have a large tech advantage over a nation like Abyssinia.

I would like serbia please

I'll play as Haiti.

I'll take Russia

Alright, I thank you for adding me. As for the tech thing good idea, but I think it would be wise to allow nations like the U.S. to have a large tech advantage over a nation like Abyssinia.

well for starters Abyssinia has mostly spears for weapons at this time and the US has a fairly modern military

also the US would most certainly have more funding ability and experiance with that type of thing

and a bump for now, wish i had time to do more like seting up an offical time frame

Can I be the Ottomans?

added as such...

as i am currently unexpectedly busy i ask if anyone else here would like to come up with a game time speed system or toss in any nuber of other ideas they think are good

Could I sign up as Denmark?

Could I sign up as Denmark?

done


right...we should all start making factbooks to...i have mine at home on paper so once i get back there i'll put it on

I've got mine up, though I could REALLY use some help on where to find info about China in the Manchu period. Any suggestions and corrections would be very appreciated. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12043475#post12043475

I've got mine up, though I could REALLY use some help on where to find info about China in the Manchu period. Any suggestions and corrections would be very appreciated. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12043475#post12043475

Im having the same problem with the Ottoman Navy. I can get the army easily enough along with the economy and such, but the damn navy is a pain. Can someone tell me a good site for info on the Ottoman navy in 1895?

May I join this as a national group in South Dagestan, Most of Azerbyijan, and Parts of Armenia and Georgia. If you need more information, I can give you a map and history

i put up a fatcbook for serbia
I could not find the GDP nor the GDP per capita
someone has to help me out and give me an educated guess
heres the link

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=509848
check it out

Im having the same problem with the Ottoman Navy. I can get the army easily enough along with the economy and such, but the damn navy is a pain. Can someone tell me a good site for info on the Ottoman navy in 1895?

if you dont mind counting down a list then this may be good

http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/

it sometimes has "info gaps" in the less well known navies though

I've got mine up, though I could REALLY use some help on where to find info about China in the Manchu period. Any suggestions and corrections would be very appreciated. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12043475#post12043475


if you don't know already, China is at this time somewhat fractioned yet are still one nation

on of your larger and more modern military groups is the Beiyang Army and the Beiyang Fleet...

it should be noted(just to make sure you know as i know not if you do) that as i plan to start this RP on Jan. 1 1895 that China would be in the First Sino-Japanese war and already loseing badly...but pending others opinions i might just let one alteration in where your military was not hit so badly...

you could also use the link i gave the Ottomans to find your fleet...

389,872,000 is your population as shown from http://www.library.uu.nl/wesp/populstat/Asia/chinac.htm

a site thats rather good with populations

if you don't know already, China is at this time somewhat fractioned yet are still one nation

on of your larger and more modern military groups is the Beiyang Army and the Beiyang Fleet...

it should be noted(just to make sure you know as i know not if you do) that as i plan to start this RP on Jan. 1 1895 that China would be in the First Sino-Japanese war and already loseing badly...but pending others opinions i might just let one alteration in where your military was not hit so badly...

you could also use the link i gave the Ottomans to find your fleet...

389,872,000 is your population as shown from http://www.library.uu.nl/wesp/populstat/Asia/chinac.htm

a site thats rather good with populations

Yeah, I kinda knew that China was fractioned around this period, I'm just hoping to turn around China's luck. I'm overall trying to keep China's royal family from falling from power, or if neccessary a new one rise to power.

I request Japan. I know little of history beyond high school text book but I know how to RP.

Edit: I'll probably get alot of stuff wrong, but I'm willing to google, though help would be greatly appreciated. I'll try my best as i've only done an extreme few history RPs.

I could be Japan...

I know a bit too much about this era -

China isn't exactly fractioned, it is just being occupied politically by the world *in all basicness of saying that China is sort of, yes, fractioned*

Japan took advantage of this and went to war with them, eventually winning and China ended up ceding Korea, Eastern Manchuria, and Liaodong Peninsula to Japan. Taiwan tried to become a Republic during this time, dubbing it self the Republic of Formosa but Japanese *mainly Cavalry Forces* swiftly ended that.

Anyways, I'd be glad to help with a lot of historical things and keeping everyong sort of in-tune if that's fine.

And, to China, I promise I won't be extremely harsh in our war :-P.

Now, that's assuming I'm not too 'old' nation wise...

Oh and, if it's January of 1895...

So far, Japan basically controls Korea, conflicts currently exist in Eastern Manchuria, and Japanese forces have already conducted the 'Port Arthur Massacre'.

If so, then the war 'Historically' ends April 17th of 1895. The Taiwanese Incursion doesn't exactly happen until May 29th of 1895 *Of course, again, Historically*.

I'd image the Imperial Japanese Fleet has already routed the Beiyang Fleet for the most part.

I have my factbook ready to go.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=509889

hey there may I sign up as the French empire?

I would like to request to play as Canada.

Oh and, if it's January of 1895...

So far, Japan basically controls Korea, conflicts currently exist in Eastern Manchuria, and Japanese forces have already conducted the 'Port Arthur Massacre'.

If so, then the war 'Historically' ends April 17th of 1895. The Taiwanese Incursion doesn't exactly happen until May 29th of 1895 *Of course, again, Historically*.

I'd image the Imperial Japanese Fleet has already routed the Beiyang Fleet for the most part.

all true, but the Beiyang Fleet still has its two Battleships

as for Canland; added, Hatred; added. and now i must choose between what seems to be two people wishing to claim Japan...

rather then deny one of you the right to be Jaapn im first going to ask you if either of you would be willing to be a different nation

What was left of the Beiyang fleet routed southward to the islands between the Ryukyu Chain and Taiwan, where they met their destruction when the Imperial Navy later invaded those islands.

Anyways, I don't know. I'd say it's up to you, Experience of "Youthful" Ambition.

I personally wouldn't mind, I guess. Although I don't know what else I'm quite good with...as Italy rather does suck from here on out :-P.

I think the number for Serbia's military is a bit high. Unless you are including conscripts or reserves or something. China had only 840,000 according to their factbook.

If it's still open, I would like to claim Bulgaria.

If it's still open, I would like to claim Bulgaria.

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Pyschotika: i'l wait for Dalsus before deciding who gets Japan. in the mean time. i'll say having an Italy would be nice

im just using the numbers from the serbian military in world war 1

im sure it includes reserves and all

im not completely sure about everything else

Just to throw this out there Serbia. You're using numbers from multiple years of war, Serbia never fielded that number at one time. Second of all, by the time the war came around, Serbia was geographically larger, and populationally larger. Serbia in 1875 is much smaller than that of 1916.

Just wondering before I start my thread. Mali, Mauritania, Chad and Burkina Faso were also part of France. Im not to sure when France conquered them in R.L. history though, I think it was before 1895. Not to sure though.

can some one verify this.

thanks.

Just wondering before I start my thread. Mali, Mauritania, Chad and Burkina Faso were also part of France. Im not to sure when France conquered them in R.L. history though, I think it was before 1895. Not to sure though.

can some one verify this.

thanks.

I found the following info on wikipedia:

Mali (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mali) was conquered in 1893, Burkino Faso (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Burkina_Faso) in 1896, Chad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Chad) in 1900, and Mauritania (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Mauritania#French_colonization) in the begining of the 20th century.

I was just wondering what you meant when you said, "my thread"? Do we each start our own for out country?

Can I have Italy?

i have just read that during WW1 the Serbia had 1,264,000 casualties

so what is a good number to start with
arent we beginning near 1895?
im thinking if I start with a force of 100,000 that will be fair
what do you think

It depends on the popultaion of Serbia in 1895. you are still a vassal state of the Ottomans and my geuss is your population is only about 3 Million to 5 Million. So mathematically 100 000 is fine but i just meant pop vs military numbers.

EX:Ottoman Empire Population Roughly 30 000 000.
Total Regular forces is only 400 000 or about 1 In 75 People are in the regular army.

Serbia's population at this time seems to have been about 2.35 million.

http://www.tacitus.nu/historical-atlas/population/yugoslavia.htm

I'm currently making a factbook for Imperial Russia, but it probably won't be as in depth as the others. Also I was thinking what sort of conditions were likely to result in a communist revolution, an upopluar regime, social inequality and...

Factbook up for Denmark

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12063980#post12063980

sorry everyone. i was a bit busy over the weekend


What was left of the Beiyang fleet routed southward to the islands between the Ryukyu Chain and Taiwan, where they met their destruction when the Imperial Navy later invaded those islands.

Anyways, I don't know. I'd say it's up to you, Experience of "Youthful" Ambition.

I personally wouldn't mind, I guess. Although I don't know what else I'm quite good with...as Italy rather does suck from here on out :-P.

i think i'll grant you Japan

Elite Battle Hordes: Italy is yours

the map may be lacking some French colonies that they should have in 1895..

Heh, I've had the flu for the past few days. So I thought me not being around would've gotten rid of me lol. Anyways, cool. Won't disappoint ya, please TG me when the IC elements are starting up. May not be able to catch it this week.

Before WW1 Russia had 1,400,000 soldiers and expanded to over 5,000,000 soldiers when fully mobilised, but only had 4.6 million rifles.

So I think it would be fair if I started with about 1million soldiers, agreed?

Russia sported about a few hundred thousand 'Professional' soldiers. And, anything that was 'Grenadier' was pretty damn professional for the Russian Army. In times of war, they'd always pull out the Patriotic Act *not to be confused with the Patriot Act* and would pull a number of it's forces from Siberia. Siberia sported a lot of youth, who was naturally strong, and knew a lot about survival. Even in WWII, they pulled mostly from Siberia because of those reasons and the fact they made excellent marksmen.

But the Rifle thing is sort of a problem. Ever play Call of Duty or watch Enemy at the Gates? It illustrates that even in WWII *although it is at Stalingrad, so they are more desperate and have less ammunition*, the Russian Army *well in WWII the Red Army* had to do it in a fasion of 'You, the rifle, you, the ammo.'

meh.

My Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12072279#post12072279)

I know I included all ships Italy owned at the time that were still afloat; I have no idea which ones were capable of combat operations. Anyone have any ideas?

In times of war, they'd always pull out the Patriotic Act *not to be confused with the Patriot Act* and would pull a number of it's forces from Siberia.

a bit like UK/Scottish Highland
Thanks, I think I'll do good with armies of mostly peasnats armed with broken bottles

I would like to join as Argentina, if possible.

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if anyone wants to take up any setting up needed your welcome to as im busy atm and dont get on much

Woo, an RP just in time for me to get some free time to actual give it an attempt.

I haven't quite decided what I want to play though. I'll get back to you once I decide what i want to do.

When are we starting?

Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12081097#post12081097) is my factbook.

My Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=510842)

My Diplomacy Thread will be up soon, under the name The State Department

Nebarri have you considered my proposal?

Arabia isn't taken, is it?

have you started the rp yet?

No, it hasn't started yet. It is as I suspected... nevertheless, don't give up hope; more people might join.

well how many more people do we need?
i think we could have a nice one with this many people

Bump

Does anyone know where I could find info on America's military duringg this time, all I can find is for the spanish american war.

Yeah, I have the same problem with WW1 and the Russo-Japanse War.

The amount of soldiers before 1915 was 1,400,000, should I just reduce this by 100,000?

Take your population in 1895 and divide it by your population during World War One, multiply the result by the World War One Military numbers. So, if you have a population of 15 million in 1895 and a population of 20 million in 1914, 15 million/20 million = .75 or 3/4. If your military numbers in world war one are 1 million soldiers, well, 3/4 of 1 million is 750 thousand. This isn't perfect, but it will work.

So, is this just going to die out before it even started?

i agree with you No Taxes. I think we should get started asap then if more ppl want to join let them.

Yes, we should definitely start. Everyone who hadn't already; make your factbooks.

I'm still here too, just waiting on Nebarri and maybe a few more members before we kick off. Without the major nations filled it is very difficult to do Imperialism Rp's, but I'll give it a try.

I thought the major nations were filled. Or are those who haven't yet made their factbooks gone?

I thought the major nations were filled. Or are those who haven't yet made their factbooks gone?

Well those who haven't posted since claiming, mainly factbooks, but I could be wrong.

im still here, I have just been too busy to post a factbook

I'm making my factbook, probanly won't be that detailed though

I say we just start this thing before it never gets started. We have all the major players anyway.

I are the hearest...

Osterreich-Hongary ist still heir

Serbia is still here

uh yeah, Is this earth dead, Im still here if it aint