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Hey, listen up. We need someone who is good at designing machine guns to built a weapon for the CA. It should fire the 7.62mm WARPAC round, not be too heavy, have a high rate of fire, you know all them good things. I would also prefer if there was a picture. Any takers?

Official Clandonian Corporation Communication

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The Corporation recomends the Shukon 7.62mm K-80 light machine gun, an excellent weapon for any military or security force.

CC Shukon 7.62mm K-80 LMG

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The Shukon K-80 Light Machine Gun provides invaluable support to assault operations through unrelenting suppressive fire. Firing standard 7.62 rounds it can be mounted on a vehicles or carried by a fireteam. No longer required a secondary operator by carefull automated ammo belt feeding. Each drum carrys 200 rounds of ammo.

By 7.62m WARPAC Do you mean 7.92x39mm M1943 (also known as 7.62x39mm russian or 7.62mm short russian) or 7.62x54mm R

Clandonia, do you produce that weapon yourself? If so, we are very interested in it.

Crookfur, we currently use the 7.62x39 mm, as the current machine gun is the RPK.

The Clandonian Corporation Shukon K-80 is use in the Corporations security force and in the Clandonian military. A weapon used to great sucess in the current Galation occupation.

The Clandonian Corporation Shukon K-80 is use in the Corporations security force and in the Clandonian military. A weapon used to great sucess in the current Galation occupation.

Can you give us some more stats on it?

Clandonia, do you produce that weapon yourself? If so, we are very interested in it.

Crookfur, we currently use the 7.62x39 mm, as the current machine gun is the RPK.

As i said before that is a bit silly when you use 5.56x45mm NATO for your rifles, your LMG should generally speaking use the same ammo as your rifle

As i said before that is a bit silly when you use 5.56x45mm NATO for your rifles, your LMG should generally speaking use the same ammo as your rifle

5.56 is too weak for a LMG, you need something with a bit more punch.

ya in the states the LMG SAW uses 7.62 nato, the rifles use 5.56 nato.

This (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM8) is what I would like to see us to use.

5.56 is too weak for a LMG, you need something with a bit more punch.

7.62x39mm isn't hugely better, in fact at longer ranges 5.56mm has the advantage.


Morvonia: The Current US army LMG: the M249 SAW fires 5.56mm, its is the much larger and heavier M240 GPMG that fires 7.62x51mm

For a LIGHT machien gun you can indeed have true full power .30 cal ammo (7.62x51mm or 7.62x54mm RL) but you will likely find yourself firing from 20 or 30 round magazines (like the Bren gun or the FN-FALO) as opposed to a proper belt fed weapon.

You cna also of course deploy MEDIUM or GENERAL PURPOSE machine guns at the squad level but these are some what heavy.

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Pale Rider Arms would like to submit the M32 for review by the CA. While using it's own proprietary caseless round, the M32's ballistic performance is superior to all NATO-standard rounds, and with it's caseless round, rates of fire unheard of in conventional weapons are possible. With it's integral SmartGun system, the M32 is incredibly accurate, even when firing from the hip. All these features combined put the M32 LMG light years ahead of it's competition.

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Replacing the volatile M30 SAW, the M32 is based primarily on the M26 assault rifle, sharing over 50% of its components. Like the M26, the M32 LMG features a top mounted magazine and bullpup design, as well as PRA's signature integral SmartGun system. The M32 is the standard LMG of both the ORA and Pale Rider Arms' Red Samurai.

Length: 990mm
Barrel Length: 900mm
Mass:
Cartridge: 6.5x40mm Caseless (7.5 gram bullet)
Ammunition: 80 round box magazine (extended magazines available in 100, 120, 140, and 160)
Muzzle Velocity: 910 m/s
Muzzle Energy: 3243 joules
Rate of Fire: 800 RPM cyclic (2200 on 3 round burst)
Modes of Fire: Safe, semi-automatic, 3 round burst, full auto
Aiming: Iron sights, integral smartgun system
Cost: 6000 USD

thanks for the clear up crook

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Pale Rider Arms would like to submit the M32 for review by the CA. While using it's own proprietary caseless round, the M32's ballistic performance is superior to all NATO-standard rounds, and with it's caseless round, rates of fire unheard of in conventional weapons are possible. With it's integral SmartGun system, the M32 is incredibly accurate, even when firing from the hip. All these features combined put the M32 LMG light years ahead of it's competition.

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The AR-550 was originally a caseless rifle until the Board of Directors decided that it wasn't what the Leafanistani Government was interested in.

And technically it did use a 6.5 x 43mm Caseless round. It wouldn't be that much of a stretch to adapt it for the 6.5 x 40mm. The problem is that the GASN are using the 6.5 x 55 Arisaka++.

We want to know if Pale Rider Arms would tell us why we should adopt the 6.5 x 40mm Caseless instead of using a copy of the GASN LMG?

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OOC: Then there is the MG-560 using the 5.56 NATO, and the Kraven GMPG using the 7.92 Kurz.

OOC: Well, besides the following, I'd really need more data on the 6.5x55mm round and the AR-550, which I'm assuming is cased, yes?

IC: The M32 LMG uses PRA's patented SmartGun system, providing accuracy superior to that of the AR-550, and it's rate of fire is superior as well. The 6.5x40mm is interchangable with the 6.5x43mm with minimal modifications to the firing weapon, and it's caseless design drastically reduces the weight of ammunition compared to cased cartridges of similar dimensions, allowing individual soldiers to carry far more ammunition for their weapons, increasing staying power.

There is also the school of thought that says to deny your opponent the ability to scavenge ammunition from the field of battle. By using a different cartridge than your enemy, they will not be able to recover usable ammunition from your defeated soldiers (unless, of course, they also scavenge their opponent's weaponry as well). Of course, this does work both ways.

OOC: Well, besides the following, I'd really need more data on the 6.5x55mm round and the AR-550, which I'm assuming is cased, yes?

IC: The M32 LMG uses PRA's patented SmartGun system, providing accuracy superior to that of the AR-550, and it's rate of fire is superior as well. The 6.5x40mm is interchangable with the 6.5x43mm with minimal modifications to the firing weapon, and it's caseless design drastically reduces the weight of ammunition compared to cased cartridges of similar dimensions, allowing individual soldiers to carry far more ammunition for their weapons, increasing staying power.

There is also the school of thought that says to deny your opponent the ability to scavenge ammunition from the field of battle. By using a different cartridge than your enemy, they will not be able to recover usable ammunition from your defeated soldiers (unless, of course, they also scavenge their opponent's weaponry as well). Of course, this does work both ways.

The Griffincrest Corporation backs the proposal by PRA. Leafanistans decision will make or break the deal.

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The AR-550 was originally a caseless rifle until the Board of Directors decided that it wasn't what the Leafanistani Government was interested in.

And technically it did use a 6.5 x 43mm Caseless round. It wouldn't be that much of a stretch to adapt it for the 6.5 x 40mm. The problem is that the GASN are using the 6.5 x 55 Arisaka++.

We want to know if Pale Rider Arms would tell us why we should adopt the 6.5 x 40mm Caseless instead of using a copy of the GASN LMG?

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OOC: Then there is the MG-560 using the 5.56 NATO, and the Kraven GMPG using the 7.92 Kurz.



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Cept Leaf decedied to go over your head and procure (illegally but fairly) a few CM-26 Light machine guns*, and HM-320s...

Among other odd weapons...

*Two M-26 firearms (Otagia's and mine)... both fire 6.5 caliber, but different cartridges... FUN...

OOC: Well, besides the following, I'd really need more data on the 6.5x55mm round and the AR-550, which I'm assuming is cased, yes?

IC: The M32 LMG uses PRA's patented SmartGun system, providing accuracy superior to that of the AR-550, and it's rate of fire is superior as well. The 6.5x40mm is interchangable with the 6.5x43mm with minimal modifications to the firing weapon, and it's caseless design drastically reduces the weight of ammunition compared to cased cartridges of similar dimensions, allowing individual soldiers to carry far more ammunition for their weapons, increasing staying power.

There is also the school of thought that says to deny your opponent the ability to scavenge ammunition from the field of battle. By using a different cartridge than your enemy, they will not be able to recover usable ammunition from your defeated soldiers (unless, of course, they also scavenge their opponent's weaponry as well). Of course, this does work both ways.

OOC: Otagia is a well known weapon's designer, and the PMT version of his rifle is supposed to be exceptional. I can update the AR-550 back to its original caseless version, rechamber it for the 6.5 x 40mm. Probably will call it the CRO-65 Caseless Conscript or something. It'd be slightly more expensive though.

The switch to the 6.5x40 is better than using the GASN 6.5x55 Arisaka++ as I heard that thing was ridiculously overpowered. And we can keep the Conscript's spray and pray thing with it.

So I support the switch to the M32 LMG and M26 AR (PMT Version) and we'll probably want the domestic production rights to both. One for Blackhelm and another for me. Otagian Arms will flood the battlefields and soon the world will tremble! TREMBLE I SAY!

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Cept Leaf decedied to go over your head and procure (illegally but fairly) a few CM-26 Light machine guns*, and HM-320s...

Among other odd weapons...

*Two M-26 firearms (Otagia's and mine)... both fire 6.5 caliber, but different cartridges... FUN...

OOC: I didn't think of reverse engineering your damn CM-26s until you told me to. It is your fault.

OOC: It's mostly the PMT version of the M25, as it uses a more powerful round, the 6x50mm HV round. The M26 is still a solid weapon (and far less prone to the catastrophic barrel failures that the M25 suffers from if the barrel is mistreated), although intended primarily for security purposes (security in Otagia involves defending against exceptionally well armed criminals though). I'm going to be releasing a more military-oriented 6.5x40mm assault rifle soonish (the M27, includes integral underbarrel GL), so you might consider that.

OOC: I didn't think of reverse engineering your damn CM-26s until you told me to. It is your fault.

Wait, where did I suggest you reverse engineer the thing?

It isn't hard, but still... why? When there are better choices for your consumers (once ypu consider they aren't GASN, and that such ammo isn't really everywhere, yet).

In the end, I veiwed the risk of you reverse engineering it as minimmal, otherwise I wouldn't have offered 10 of them on a trial basis for your eccentric tree hunter to play with...

Reverse engineering the CM-26 is like saying you reverse engineered a board with a nail in it... Why bother?

I'm exagerating a bit...
It's more like reverse engineering sock or shovel, it is a basic weapon... Nothing for anyone to get into a fit about...

It only sounds terrific if you didn't have any before you reverse engineered a pair...

If that is the case, I OOCly wish your alliance the best of luck, as it is clearly from downhill...

(Reverse engineering the enemy's weapons is a clear sign of desparation, as depicted when the Germans copied the SVT-40, the T-34, and M1A1 Bazooka; the Bitish and Americans likewise copied the MP-38/40, the Russians copied the Panzerfaust, B-29, and A-bomb [Assault rifle is a toss between USA (M1 carbine) Germany (Stg-44) and Russia (AVT-36)])

To Pale Rider Arms CEO David Quetzal,

Your weapon has impressed us at the Griffincrest Corporation, as well as our friends over at the Leafanistani Red Mafia. We have decided to use your product as the primary weapon of not just the Griffincrest Security Forces, but we will make it standard for all Corporate Alliance members. We look forward to the multi-billion dollar contracts to come between our two companies, and would like to place the first purchase on behalf of the entire CA for ten million M32 machine guns. These weapons will most likely be distributed to nations around the world. We eagerly await your price.

From,
Claudius Griffincrest

Mr. Griffincrest,

We would be happy to fill your order. While ten million M32s is a very large amount of ordnance, we believe that our factories can produce a sufficient amount to have your weapons to you within a week. The overall fee for this comes to sixty billion USD. As soon as our company processes your payment, we will begin to manufacture and ship your weaponry.

Yours,
Daniel Quetzal
CEO of Pale Rider Arms

OOC: Wrong Quetzal. David is his brother, and is in charge of the Creative Weapons Division. :D

The money will be wired to your account immediatly. We eagerly await the arrival of the guns.

OOC: My bad, I knew I saw that name on one of your companies.