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Attention all members of the Corporate Alliance or just people who like our guns! The Griffincrest Corporation is putting out the opportunity to upgrade your military forces, allowing them to fight on par with other nations of the world. With all organizations of the CA using a standard weapon, it will make trade and battlefield resupply much easier. This is not a requirement for nations of the CA, nor must nations accept every trade, but it is suggested that members take in the weapons Griffincrest is providing. So now this is officially an open storefront to anybody out there, not exclusivly CA nations. Also, remember that you are more than welcome to exchange your current weapons for discounts here. Have a nice day!

*Note - disregard prices on posts. Proce posted next to item is the cost here.*

Small Arms
9mm Berreta (http://www.usd.edu/msc/sounds/9mm_beretta.htm) - $200
AR-550 assault rifle (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11575172&postcount=466) - $200
G36E assault rifle (http://world.guns.ru/assault/as14-e.htm) - $600
M26 assault rifle (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12306988&postcount=542) - $1400
M32 LMG (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12004541&postcount=12) - $6000
Javelin anti-tank system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javelin_anti-tank_missile) - $10,000
Officers Katana (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11515834&postcount=447) - $200

Armor & Artillery
G7 105mm Howitzer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G7_howitzer) - $100,000
Mongoose 165mm Artillery Gun - $1,600,000
Mercury Class APC (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11952570&postcount=361) - $3,400,000
Mars Class LBT (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11963610&postcount=1) - $650,000
RG-20 remote controlled 20mm machine gun - $600,000
BM-21 Grad 120mm multiple rocket launcher (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-21) - $800,000
Canon de 75mm Modele 1897 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canone_de_75_mle_1897) - $25,000
T-55I MBT (Iragia) - $2,400,000 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12409439&postcount=1)
INE-101 APC/LAV (Iragia) - $800,000 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12513398&postcount=1)
U-3A2 Main Battle Tank (Urcea) - $450,000 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12091724&postcount=1166)

Aircraft
Upgraded Folland Gnat (http://www.folland-gnat.com/)equipped with AIM-120 AMRAAM's - $150,000
F-4 Phantom II (http://www.combataircraft.com/aircraft/ff4.aspx) - $8,000,000
An-225 (Iragia) - $280,000,000 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12507664&postcount=1)

Ships
Um al Maradim Fast Assault Ship (http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/combattante/) - $10,000,000
Charon Class Frigate (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12123521&postcount=1) - $20,000,000
Neptune Class Cruiser (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12129565&postcount=1) - $200,000,000

Other
Kevlar vest (Ceramic inserts) (Black) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11785416&postcount=496) - $500
Cyanogen Chloride shells (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanogen_chloride) - $3,000
Lewisite shells (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewisite) - $1,500
Bladerunner Torpedo (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11875647&postcount=1)
TALON Defense System (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12026631&postcount=1) - $5,000
Skynet SAM (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12901255&postcount=1) - $500,000

The Grand Duchy of Beiraq will take in one thousand Mercury's and seven hundred Mars's to supplement our forces.

Small Arms Ammunition Standards
5.56mm NATO for Assault Rifles and Light Machine Guns
9mm Luger for Pistols and Submachine Guns
7.62mm NATO or 7.62mm WARPAC for machine guns
FGM-148 Javelin for ATGM use

Heavier Ammunition Standards
105mm Shell
165mm Shell
75mm Shell

Autocannon Standards
30mm Round
35mm Round
20mm Round

Rocket Standards
122mm Rocket (The BM-21 fires 122mm rockets)

Torpedo Standards
Bladerunner

Every CA nation is expected to convert from various different calibers and stick with our standards, along with stock a significant supply of them in order to make battlefield resupply easier.

AFAIK, the M60 wasnt very popular, and tended to jam, so why use it?

Anyhooters, the Bladerunner Torpedo is just a Chainsaw with a propeller, am I right?

The Britannic Empire of British Londinium would like an additional 2,000 bladerunner torpedoes.

AFAIK, the M60 wasnt very popular, and tended to jam, so why use it?


Yeah, the M60 was a pretty crappy gun. Good job the US replaced it with the '249.

Yeah, the M60 was a pretty crappy gun. Good job the US replaced it with the '249.

It is cheap and kills people.

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O yea, Beiraq and Brit, you got your stuff.

AFAIK, the M60 wasnt very popular, and tended to jam, so why use it?

Anyhooters, the Bladerunner Torpedo is just a Chainsaw with a propeller, am I right?

the new mk.4 though has fixed all of the problem and is supposed to be a better that the replacements (i matter of fact i have seen it on choppers, trucks in iraq and even special forces units keep the Mk.4, but is now the minority to the m240 GPMG and the m249 saw.

OOC:
Oh dear what a horrible mess:
Not 1, not 2 but three different rifle/MG rounds?
I relaly have to ask what is the point of using the RPK when you could make things so much easier by just using the LMG-36? or if you wanted a proper supressive LMG the Minimi, Negev or Mini-SS? or you wanted the power of 7.62x39mm why not use decent hundred series AKs as opposed to G36s?

As for the Machinge gun, well there is a wide range of cheaper and more reliable guns out there (FN-MAG, PKM(or rather the MG-1 7.62x51mm NATO version) or the SS-77).

For auto cannon ammo if you have 20 and 35mm rounds then you don't need 30mm ammo

Finally is there a particular reason for using a 19th century feild gun? and why if you are so kean on standardisation does the Mars use a 90mm gun (i assume Cockerill Mk3)when you specify a 75mm round?

Really if you are going to push for standardisation you should put some thought into it as opposed to just using one person's ill informed choices and designs because as it stands you are behind most of the NS world.

The Empire is willing to adapt to some of your standards. Our military including reserves is roughly two million men at the moment. If you care to send us an appropriate amount of equipment from the following list, we will accept.

9mm Berreta
Javelin anti-tank system
Upgraded Folland Gnat equipped with AIM-120 AMRAAM's
F-4 Phantom II
Kevlar vest (Ceramic inserts) (Black)
Cyanogen Chloride shells
Lewisite shells

The Empire has extensively studied the weapons the world has to offer. If you care to hear our opinion on the ideal weapon systems to be adopted for standardization, we will gladly render it.

The Empire is willing to adapt to some of your standards. Our military including reserves is roughly two million men at the moment. If you care to send us an appropriate amount of equipment from the following list, we will accept.

9mm Berreta
Javelin anti-tank system
Upgraded Folland Gnat equipped with AIM-120 AMRAAM's
F-4 Phantom II
Kevlar vest (Ceramic inserts) (Black)
Cyanogen Chloride shells
Lewisite shells

The Empire has extensively studied the weapons the world has to offer. If you care to hear our opinion on the ideal weapon systems to be adopted for standardization, we will gladly render it.

The equipment has been sent. I would like to hear your opinion.

Attention all members of the Corporate Alliance! The Griffincrest Corporation is putting out the opportunity to upgrade your military forces, allowing them to fight on par with other nations of the world. With all organizations of the CA using a standard weapon, it will make trade and battlefield resupply much easier. This is not a requirement for nations of the CA, nor must nations accept every trade, but it is suggested that members take in the weapons Griffincres is providing.

Small Arms
9mm Berreta
G36E assault rifle
M60
RPK
Javelin anti-tank system
Officers Katana

Armor & Artillery
G7 105mm Howitzer
Mongoose 165mm Artillery Gun
Mercury Class APC
Mars Class LBT
RG-20 remote controlled 20mm machine gun
BM-21 Grad 120mm multiple rocket launcher
Canon de 75mm Modele 1897

Aircraft
Upgraded Folland Gnat equipped with AIM-120 AMRAAM's
F-4 Phantom II

Other
Kevlar vest (Ceramic inserts) (Black)
Cyanogen Chloride shells
Lewisite shells
Bladerunner Torpedo

Ok. Here are my thoughts.

For an assault rifle I like the M8. It comes in a number of variants (sniper rifle, submachine gun, and light machine gun) that all use the same ammunitiion. Its kinetic rounds have a lot of stopping power.

For artillery, I recommend the PzH 2000. It is a self-propelled and uses 155mm rounds. It has a good rate of fire and a reasonable crew requirements. 155mm rounds are pretty common, so people using other 155 howitzers (like the Paladin) can use our ammo.

The Barreta 9mm seems fine enough.

I don't think I want my officers carrying a katana unless it is in a parade or something. In battle, I don't want enemy soldiers to be able to identify my officers by looking for katanas.

Javelin anti-tank missiles are fine. I don't think we need to worry too much about standardizing things like that... mostly just weapons with ammunition requirements.

I'm not so keen on the Gnat and Phantom II. For standardization purposes, I think people should use whatever aircraft they like so long as they are able to carry AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles. Nations will get a bit of freedom of choice while we still are able to use each other's ammunition.

As far as main battle tanks go, I can't say I am up to date on what all the storefronts offer. I'm sure there are plenty of tanks available that are better than the Abrams, Challenger II, and Leopard II.

Ok. Here are my thoughts.

For an assault rifle I like the M8. It comes in a number of variants (snifer riflet, submachine gun, and light machine gun) that all use the same ammunitiion. Its kinetic rounds have a lot of stopping power.


Well the XM8 (i never left the experiemntal "stage") is basically a G36 with new furniture and the ability to accept M16 magazines and there are kits to convert G36s to do just that.

And as for the round's stopping power, well that is eternally debatable.

The artillery that I have layed out are both towed. Nations can feel free to build their own self proppelled artillery. The two I presented, however, are actually very powerful pieces of machinery.

The G7 105mm Howitzer is capable of heaving a shell up to thirty kilometers, farther than any other cannon of its size, as well as most 155mm guns. It is also relativly light, and easy to set up, and can fire a large variety of ordnance.

The 165mm Mongoose is produced by a CA member nation The Royal Code.
Main feature:165mm Mongoose.
Main purpose: This weapon system is designed to fill the role of an all-purpose long-range artillery gun. It uses innovated technologies to keep it in working condition for a extended period of time, with only minimal matenence. It is an effective army stopper. Its incredibly loud impacts demoralize enemy troops, and can cause concussions (high explosive rounds only) from well over 120 feet away from the point of impact. The shells it fire are just as unuiqe as the cannon itself.
Effective range (w/o rocket assist) : 16miles
Effective range (with rocket assist) 28 miles
Ammo: High Explosive-self explanatory, makes a huge 'boom' when it air bursts or hits the ground. This round is effective at all ranges, and can be equipped with rocket assist. This round can be used to clear obstacles, destroy buildings or take out enemy artillery batteries. It is by far the loudest of the collection of shells the Mongoose can fire, making it a demoralizing weapon. It has also been very effective at damaging sub-surface vassals, forcing them to surface.
Armor piercing- This is a short range shell that can deliver either a titanium rod, or
depleted uranium rod impact projectile, with almost twice as much kinetic energy as
the typical SABOT tank round. Fragmentation: This is a round that can be set to air burst, detonate on contact, or at low
trajectory, explode up to 15m underwater. This round is extremely effective at close-to- medium ranges. Borrowing ideas that have been used for centuries, the shell is packed full of tiny subunit rounds. But unlike standard fragmentation shells, this shell also can be
emptied and filled with the special miniature high explosive bomblets, making this shell
ideal for killing mass infantry, or disabling an enemy airstrip or fuel depot.
Recoil: 14" hydraulic return.
RPM: 8-9 shots per minute sustainable for the first half hour, 4 shots per minute sustained there after.
Weight: 7,500lbs
Accuracy: within 50feet first shot
Muzzle velocity: 3000-3300 feet per second (depending on shell fired)
Features: Laser rangefinder, windage meter, self-lubing delrin hydraulic piston return recoil system (that's right, no oil needed),light enough to be transported by any typical transport helicopter (ex Chinook), electrical gun pivot system with manual backup. Infrared, ultra violet, and night vision scopes.
Service life: 200,000 shells until breach section needs swapping. 100,000 shells per hydraulic piston replacement.Two Forward wheels, on a pivotable chassis. Gun elevation is controlled by a electrical gear system, or in emergencies, by a leverage manually operated control system.

Griffincrest also uses the RMW-120, also produced by The Royal Code
RMW-120
Purpose: Lightweight infantry explosives delivery system, used for direct infantry support.
Effective range: 8,000 meters., Minimum range: 190 meters.
Ammo: 120mm High explosive, air burst (shrapnel), bomblet delivery shot.
Weight: 84lbs
Accuracy: based on calculations of crew and windage.
Recoil: 1-2"
RPM: 25 rpm for the first 10 minutes, 9-15 rpm sustained.
Features: Rapid cooling for rapid fire salvos, crew of 2 or 3, accurate to within 10 yards.

I don't think I want my officers carrying a katana unless it is in a parade or something. In battle, I don't want enemy soldiers to be able to identify my officers by looking for katanas.


Reagan:- So, do you have any advice for the boys out there?
Sgt. Shaftoe:- Yeah, shot the one's with the swords first
R:- Because they are the officers, right? Go for em' cause' they are the officers
S:- No, you shoot them because they have fucking swords, have you ever seen anyone running at you waving a fucking sword?!

Ah, that book was good.

Reagan:- So, do you have any advice for the boys out there?
Sgt. Shaftoe:- Yeah, shot the one's with the swords first
R:- Because they are the officers, right? Go for em' cause' they are the officers
S:- No, you shoot them because they have fucking swords, have you ever seen anyone running at you waving a fucking sword?!

Ah, that book was good.

They don't actually use the swords. Well, actually once we did when I got stuck in vicious hand to hand fighting in Kamasha. Then those blades came in handy.

If any CA naval utility is caught in New Aushan waters, the ship will either be sunk, or the crew taken captive. Just too give warning.

-NA Naval Command

If any CA naval utility is caught in New Aushan waters, the ship will either be sunk, or the crew taken captive. Just too give warning.

-NA Naval Command

I still have special forces in your naval base.

Just too give warning.

I still have special forces in your naval base.

Just too give warning.

Uh, huh...

And I've got 6 rather well armed men muddling around Griffencret headquarters... Plus a lunatic out for Griff's cute lil bald head...

Just a reminder...

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Oh dear what a horrible mess:
Not 1, not 2 but three different rifle/MG rounds?
I relaly have to ask what is the point of using the RPK when you could make things so much easier by just using the LMG-36? or if you wanted a proper supressive LMG the Minimi, Negev or Mini-SS? or you wanted the power of 7.62x39mm why not use decent hundred series AKs as opposed to G36s?

As for the Machinge gun, well there is a wide range of cheaper and more reliable guns out there (FN-MAG, PKM(or rather the MG-1 7.62x51mm NATO version) or the SS-77).

For auto cannon ammo if you have 20 and 35mm rounds then you don't need 30mm ammo

Finally is there a particular reason for using a 19th century feild gun? and why if you are so kean on standardisation does the Mars use a 90mm gun (i assume Cockerill Mk3)when you specify a 75mm round?

Really if you are going to push for standardisation you should put some thought into it as opposed to just using one person's ill informed choices and designs because as it stands you are behind most of the NS world.

They're shooting for 7 different LMG rounds...
5.56 x 45 NATO
7.62 x 51 NATO
5.56 x 39 Soviet
7.62 x 39 Soviet
7.62 x 54 Soviet
6.5 x 55 PROHT/GASN
6.5 x 40 PRA

Tis going to be funny when they get bunched up in a fire-fight...

"Gimmie some AMMO!"
...
"Not that ammo, the other ammo!!!!!"
...
"Yes, that ammo, give it ere!"
[Bang, whit, zoom]
-Too late...-
...

GASN has settled for something like:
Meduim:
7.62 x 51 NATO

Light/DP:
6.5 x 55 PROHT
6.5 x 50 Carbandian
(There are a few oddballs, but eh...)

HT, your information is dreadfully wrong. For one thing, Mr. Griffincrest is not bald.

Second, the reason I made this thread is to replace the M60 and RPK with the more powerful machine gun and and also so that we can use one round for it. And where did you get the idea that we would use the 6.5 x 55 PROHT/GASN?

Read Leaf's first reply to Otagia in MG design thread.

He later changed his mind, considering the 6.5 x 55 as 'overpowered' which it isn't, it kicks about the same as the .30 Carbine... (More than .223, but less than .30-06/.308 [different cartridges, similar recoil]), it also is just capable of ruining some of those expensive battle armors some armies march in (Parthians and Pudites in particular).

Also read the war with CA thread, linked in my sig, those guys are still waiting for a response...

Attention all members of the Corporate Alliance! The Griffincrest Corporation is putting out the opportunity to upgrade your military forces, allowing them to fight on par with other nations of the world. With all organizations of the CA using a standard weapon, it will make trade and battlefield resupply much easier. This is not a requirement for nations of the CA, nor must nations accept every trade, but it is suggested that members take in the weapons Griffincres is providing.

Small Arms
9mm Berreta
G36E assault rifle
M60
RPK
Javelin anti-tank system
Officers Katana

Armor & Artillery
G7 105mm Howitzer
Mongoose 165mm Artillery Gun
Mercury Class APC
Mars Class LBT
RG-20 remote controlled 20mm machine gun
BM-21 Grad 120mm multiple rocket launcher
Canon de 75mm Modele 1897

Aircraft
Upgraded Folland Gnat equipped with AIM-120 AMRAAM's
F-4 Phantom II

Other
Kevlar vest (Ceramic inserts) (Black)
Cyanogen Chloride shells
Lewisite shells
Bladerunner Torpedo
Why doesn't the CA take on more... or atleast better standard aircraft? To my knowledge, the F-4 Phantom II, even with modern weapons systems installed and such, is a low tech last century airplane. Why not take on atleast F-16's, maybe even F-15's or a few Harriers? As for the Folland Gnat, I am unfamiliar with this craft.

Why doesn't the CA take on more... or atleast better standard aircraft? To my knowledge, the F-4 Phantom II, even with modern weapons systems installed and such, is a low tech last century airplane. Why not take on atleast F-16's, maybe even F-15's or a few Harriers? As for the Folland Gnat, I am unfamiliar with this craft.

They are very cheap to produce.

OOC: I would just like to point out that the GSF uses a 12.7mm round for the Kord mounted on its Mercury, and still uses a 7.62mm round on its new Chariot MBT.

As for the Folland Gnat, I am unfamiliar with this craft.

OOC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folland_Gnat There you go.

I'll probably regret this, but why not replace those old rusty katanas with these:
Chainsword (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/%C3%89p%C3%A9e_tron%C3%A7onneuse.jpg) PMT, Powered by batteries
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3c/%C3%89p%C3%A9e_tron%C3%A7onneuse.jpg
Weight: Aproximately 13,2 Kilos
Price: $3,000 USDs
Description: A chain weapon is a weapon that has motorized biting teeth that saw and slash through the enemy, in a similar fashion to chainsaws. The teeth themselves are fashioned to be incredibly sharp, in some cases carrying a monomolecular edge, and are capable of slicing through steel bulkheads.
Perfect for Close Quarters combat, special units can be trained to use these weapons along with SMGs. making them great for Urban Combat.

I think I can sell you guys a few without comprimising myself or anything.

I dont know about that chainsword, seems too heavy and expensive

They are very cheap to produce.

Not true at all actually, more modern aircraft are designed to be significantly cheaper to produce and much much easier to maintain and support.

The Constitutional Monarchy of the United Ed States, to keep our militaries up to date and as modern as possible, wishes to replace our entire armament of M-16's with new up to date G-36's. We also wish to have as many Kevlar Vests as we have M-16's for our men. This means that we will need about 12,000,000 G-36's and 12,000,000 kevlar vests. This is quite a large order, so the UES will of course be willing to pay generously of course (as long as it is within our defence budget ;) ).

Not true at all actually, more modern aircraft are designed to be significantly cheaper to produce and much much easier to maintain and support.

I defy you to find a cheaper, easier produced post 1950's fighter than the Folland Gnat.

The Constitutional Monarchy of the United Ed States, to keep our militaries up to date and as modern as possible, wishes to replace our entire armament of M-16's with new up to date G-36's. We also wish to have as many Kevlar Vests as we have M-16's for our men. This means that we will need about 12,000,000 G-36's and 12,000,000 kevlar vests. This is quite a large order, so the UES will of course be willing to pay generously of course (as long as it is within our defence budget ;) ).

As a fellow member of the CA, we will give you a discount cost of 100$ per unit.

As a fellow member of the CA, we will give you a discount cost of 100$ per unit.
Very good. Thank you greatly.

Also, if you have any use for my 11-12 million replaced M-16's, you are welcome to them.

I defy you to find a cheaper, easier produced post 1950's fighter than the Folland Gnat.


You mena appart from the Hawk, Skyhawk, M-311 and M-346.

Really by the time to attempt to cram in a decent BVR radar, a modern databus, a datalink, new engine and the completely new hydralics and control systems a gnat would need to be even half competitive today you would be hard pressed to come in under $10-15million.

The Gnat would only stay cheap if you were content to keep the original 1950s layout and equipment and if you did that you would be as well just using Super Tuncanos or PC-9Ms for all the use it would be.

The Phantom was never a cheap fighter, its big, heavy and uses lots of expesnive and difficult to maintain parts.

You mena appart from the Hawk, Skyhawk, M-311 and M-346.

Really by the time to attempt to cram in a decent BVR radar, a modern databus, a datalink, new engine and the completely new hydralics and control systems a gnat would need to be even half competitive today you would be hard pressed to come in under $10-15million.
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I've never heard of the last two, nor the Hawk but I know that a Skyhawk cost much more than a Gnat. Also, my Gnats carry a crappy short range radar, and rely on the F-4 of their formations to spot targets. They also carry a mere two AIM-120's and the ADEN cannon. Believe me, its cheaper than anything else out there.

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We will need Mars Class LBTs and Javelin Anti-Tank systems.

We will need Mars Class LBTs and Javelin Anti-Tank systems.

How many of each?

How many of each?

10,000 Mars and 15,000 Javelin.


What is the price?

If you give us whatever you are currently using and planning on replacing, we can sell you these for a total of 15 billion dollars.

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The Ministry of Defence would like to procure 12 Mercury class APCs for testing purposes.

The Ministry of Defence would like to procure 12 Mercury class APCs for testing purposes.

Sure, you're CA, so give us 1.2 million and ya got em.

Sure, you're CA, so give us 1.2 million and ya got em.

I'll cover that *Errikan industrial tycoon wires $1.5 million*

Plus a little extra for yourself.

Would you be interested in finding a large scale manufacturer to mass produce your products for you? If so, Weapson can do it very cheaply and efficiently. The price of materials on Errikan markets are dirt cheap, especially if you buy in large quantities, and our systems are almost completely mechanized (like slave labor, only cheaper and more efficient), allowing us to shave off most of the cost and drive down prices for the consumer, or the middle man, like you.

Well..I suppose we can out source out Gnat and G36E production to Weapson. How much?

Well..I suppose we can out source out Gnat and G36E production to Weapson. How much?

Despite the fact that we will have to adapt our equipment for the Gnat, we can immediately reduce costs by about 10-15%, or up to 20-25% if in very large quantities.
The rifle is far easier, as we already produce similar products on a large scale. Savings are likely at 25% up to 30-35% on large quantities.

OOC: How do you usually find out how much something would cost? My normal pages for research, including wikipedia, which provides good basic background, provide almost nothing on cost.

Despite the fact that we will have to adapt our equipment for the Gnat, we can immediately reduce costs by about 10-15%, or up to 20-25% if in very large quantities.
The rifle is far easier, as we already produce similar products on a large scale. Savings are likely at 25% up to 30-35% on large quantities.

OOC: How do you usually find out how much something would cost? My normal pages for research, including wikipedia, which provides good basic background, provide almost nothing on cost.

Thats what I have Leaf for :p

Thats what I have Leaf for :p

I take it he is an expert? If so, I may seek his services in the future . . .

The AFIR would like to make an emergency request for 4 cruisers, 16 frigates, and six fast attack ships.

Also, we would like to procure 30,000 G-36Es as well as 30,000 kevlar vests (with inserts), and 648 Mercury APCs as well as 216 Mars class LBTs. Trainers to help our personnel familiarize themselves on the equipment would also be needed.

OOC: I can't come up with a cost as there's no cost for the Maradims, G-36s, or Mercuries posted.

The AFIR would like to make an emergency request for 4 cruisers, 16 frigates, and six fast attack ships.

Also, we would like to procure 30,000 G-36Es as well as 30,000 kevlar vests (with inserts), and 648 Mercury APCs as well as 216 Mars class LBTs. Trainers to help our personnel familiarize themselves on the equipment would also be needed.

OOC: I can't come up with a cost as there's no cost for the Maradims, G-36s, or Mercuries posted.

There is no cost on anything posted is there? The deal here is you exchange what you are currently using for this stuff, than we charge you for the transaction. So we will await your AK's, T-55's and BTR's. The transaction fee will be twenty million dollars. I am going to have to post up prices though shouldnt I?

As for now, the equipment has been sent, along with Griffincrest trainers. Also, on the kevlar, above the left breast are the letters CA in gold thread.

There is no cost on anything posted is there? The deal here is you exchange what you are currently using for this stuff, than we charge you for the transaction. So we will await your AK's, T-55's and BTR's. The transaction fee will be twenty million dollars. I am going to have to post up prices though shouldnt I?

As for now, the equipment has been sent, along with Griffincrest trainers. Also, on the kevlar, above the left breast are the letters CA in gold thread.

Dude, I wouldnt exchange a T-55 for a Mars LBT even if you payed me!

Seriously, the Mars is not a very good vehicle.

Dude, I wouldnt exchange a T-55 for a Mars LBT even if you payed me!

Seriously, the Mars is not a very good vehicle.

The Mars is made to be para dropped and used to scout the area ahead of the army. It is pretty tough to paradrop a T-55.

Whoa whoa whoa, obviously I didn't fully understand the purpose here. I would like to purchase that equipment, not exchange. I'm keeping all my shiny T-55Is are my standard MBT (soon to be complemented with a smaller number Czechalrus provided T-72s upgraded to T-72I standard). I merely want the Mars as a supplement to our own Cavalry fighting vehicles in the first armoured division.

As for para-dropping T-55s, if I ever get strat lifters that might be an interesting experiment...

Dude, I wouldnt exchange a T-55 for a Mars LBT even if you payed me!

Seriously, the Mars is not a very good vehicle.

Leaf's homade HT-201s* and modified HT-101s are better for airborne ops.

*The Hurtians also used an AFV designated HT-201, but it denoted a tracked open topped cargo truck... Leaf uses the '2' to mean it is an improvement over the 101s he made.

To prevent confusion, I've pretty much stopped marketing the [Hurtian] HT-201.

Anyways LBT < MBT any day...

The advantage of LBTs is tactical and strategic mobility (you can shove more on a boat/plane)

The effectiveness of a tank comprises of the folowing factors:
Survivability, Lethality, quantity, and availability.

If one sends 1000 PT-76s, but the other team has 2000 T-90s, but can't deploy them for 1 day (or more accurately, a month if this is an overseas op), those PT-76s are going to have some fun...*

Just my reasoning on what Light Armored Vehicles are for.

*A PT-76 armed with a Sagger/Kornet will kill a T-90 as well as any other tank, and the 76 mm HEAT shell was designed to be capable of killing MBTs of its time (though composite armor makes this rather useless in head on attacks)

Still, troops operating with 1000 support tanks without similar opposition for a month are going to have a field day. A good example being the early days of the Korean war.

And the BMP/D-3 owns the PT-76...

Whoa whoa whoa, obviously I didn't fully understand the purpose here. I would like to purchase that equipment, not exchange. I'm keeping all my shiny T-55Is are my standard MBT (soon to be complemented with a smaller number Czechalrus provided T-72s upgraded to T-72I standard). I merely want the Mars as a supplement to our own Cavalry fighting vehicles in the first armoured division.

As for para-dropping T-55s, if I ever get strat lifters that might be an interesting experiment...

Oh, well than that is different. It is 3 million dollars a Mercury, 1.5 million dollars for the Mars, and 300 dollars for the G36E/Kevlar combo. Since you are CA, and I like to arm my buddies, Illl give it all to you for 700 million bucks.

With the boats lets make it an even 800 million, hows that sound.

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THe HT-201 project was canceled due to budget overruns. Turns out there are already vehicles that do those jobs and a new chassis and everything isn't necessary.

Which reminds me, the BMD's do need to arrive at Universal Exports eh?

You know the Peoples Republic of Hurtful Thoughts still owns a Platinum Market Card on Universal Exports?

You know the Peoples Republic of Hurtful Thoughts still owns a Platinum Market Card on Universal Exports?

Yes, I know, I'm still wondering what I'm going to do with it, I already have a good standard service rifle, a line of indiginous AFVs, though my air force and navy could use some work, your [Mafia] storefront seems lacking in those aspects.

The BMD is a fine IFV for nations not tied down to a 'universal chassis' concept like myself.

Which is a blessing and a curse. Since everything is based on pretty much the same chassis over here, aside from the HT-5 truck chassis and HT-106 HBT chassis... My Air Force/Navy is more diverse...

Blackhelm, the money has been wired. Thank you muchly, this will help the first armoured become something resembling a modern fighting force. I plan on using the Mars simply as a wheeled gun, as I said before, to complement our cavalry vehicles with their ATGMs. Over the next couple days I'll make posts detailing my handful of indigenous vehicles.

Blackhelm, the money has been wired. Thank you muchly, this will help the first armoured become something resembling a modern fighting force. I plan on using the Mars simply as a wheeled gun, as I said before, to complement our cavalry vehicles with their ATGMs. Over the next couple days I'll make posts detailing my handful of indigenous vehicles.

Yea that is a good use for it. When I use them, I use them to hold an area with paratroopers until reinforcements can get there.

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No Taxes Defense Industries (NTDI) has been looking for a suitable light tank and APC that it could market to the Army of No Taxes. The Mercury and Mars Classes appear to meet our needs. Thus, we would like to enquire as to how much it would cost to buy domestic production rights for the Mercury Class APC and Mars Class LBT.

No Taxes Defense Industries (NTDI) has been looking for a suitable light tank and APC that it could market to the Army of No Taxes. The Mercury and Mars Classes appear to meet our needs. Thus, we would like to enquire as to how much it would cost to buy domestic production rights for the Mercury Class APC and Mars Class LBT.

For fellow CA members, production rights are 10 times the cost, non-CA members is 100. Since your CA, you get both rights for a total or $40,500,000.

We can also throw in a hundred canon de 75mm Modele 1897's, free of charge. They are good, cheap anti-infantry weapons.

For fellow CA members, production rights are 10 times the cost, non-CA members is 100. Since your CA, you get both rights for a total or $40,500,000.

We can also throw in a hundred canon de 75mm Modele 1897's, free of charge. They are good, cheap anti-infantry weapons.
The money has been wired, but you can keep the Modele 1897s. We prefer more...modern artillery.

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We'd like to order one Mercury APC for the lulz.

We will take 1 million Officer's Katanas for 20,000,000 USD

Sure, the swords have been sent to your country. Thanks, and come back soon. By the way, you still have that storefront right? I may stop by there soon for some coastal defenses.

Sure, the swords have been sent to your country. Thanks, and come back soon. By the way, you still have that storefront right? I may stop by there soon for some coastal defenses.


Thank you. The money has been wired. And yes, I still have the storefront (which I've been neglecting a bit since I was busy for a long while with school)

New Crom wishes to express intrest in up grading its navel forces and would like to know if you can supply CV-67 type Carriers, SSN and SSBN type Submarines.

New Crom wishes to express intrest in up grading its navel forces and would like to know if you can supply CV-67 type Carriers, SSN and SSBN type Submarines.

I can't, but I believe my associate (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=489651)can.

And NE, there should be an order soon. Very soon.

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Blackhelm, perhaps this arms trade should be upgraded, there's only a handful of products offered, yet many nations in the CA manufacture/export weapons, so why not turn this into a consolidated CA arms bazaar where the exports of every nation can be made readily available for memers, and the general market. It would make arming CA nations much easier if they had a single consolidated market with all CA weaponry made available.

Blackhelm, perhaps this arms trade should be upgraded, there's only a handful of products offered, yet many nations in the CA manufacture/export weapons, so why not turn this into a consolidated CA arms bazaar where the exports of every nation can be made readily available for memers, and the general market. It would make arming CA nations much easier if they had a single consolidated market with all CA weaponry made available.

Do you have any weapons to offer?

Well, I have the An-225 (what other plane can haul 5 tanks?), the INE-101 (HT-101), the IK-1 (AK-47 rebuild, upgraded with picatinny rails, six position stock, sights, etc, available in various calibers, thoguh 7.62x39mm is standard), an amphib assault ship/light carrier inspired by the HMS Ocean, the T-55I and T-72I tanks, not the best in the world, but a modest, low-cost alternative. Also, an entire family of light armoured vehicles, the I-- series, though these are hardly top of the line and would probably do poorly on the international arms market. I have a post for the An-225, the T-55I, the T-72I post is in the works as is the I-- and carrier posts. My Armed Forces of the Iragian Republic thread (mil reference thread) has a pic and some mention of the IK-1 but no details.

Well, I have the An-225 (what other plane can haul 5 tanks?), the INE-101 (HT-101), the IK-1 (AK-47 rebuild, upgraded with picatinny rails, six position stock, sights, etc, available in various calibers, thoguh 7.62x39mm is standard), an amphib assault ship/light carrier inspired by the HMS Ocean, the T-55I and T-72I tanks, not the best in the world, but a modest, low-cost alternative. Also, an entire family of light armoured vehicles, the I-- series, though these are hardly top of the line and would probably do poorly on the international arms market. I have a post for the An-225, the T-55I, the T-72I post is in the works as is the I-- and carrier posts. My Armed Forces of the Iragian Republic thread (mil reference thread) has a pic and some mention of the IK-1 but no details.

If you make reference posts and prices for each, I would gladly advertise your products here.

Okay, here's the An, the T-55I, and the INE-101

T-55I Main Battle Tank- $2,400,000 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12409439&postcount=1)
An-225 Strategic Airlifter - $280,000,000 for CA nations (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12507664&postcount=1)
INE-101 Armoured Personnel Carrier/Light Armoured Vehicle family - $800,000 base model (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12513398&postcount=1)

Alright Iragia, your stuff is up.

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I can revise my Wolf IFV and post it on here.

Go for it

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We'd like 600 Charon Class vessels. Wiring $12,000,000,000 upon confirmation.

Also, we'd like to know if we could provide you with some of our cheap products. The one we can supply right now is the U-3A2 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12091724&postcount=1166) tank. We would like you to sell this for $450,000.

We'd like 600 Charon Class vessels. Wiring $12,000,000,000 upon confirmation.

Also, we'd like to know if we could provide you with some of our cheap products. The one we can supply right now is the U-3A2 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12091724&postcount=1166) tank. We would like you to sell this for $450,000.


Shipyards will be working overtime for this one, ships should arrive in a few months, thank you.

And did you mean you want me to sell the U-3A2 here?

Yes. It's cheap and easy to make, and a relatively good war fighter.

Yes. It's cheap and easy to make, and a relatively good war fighter.

Alrightey, I'll put it up.

I would like to order 20 million M26 assault rifles and 5 million M32 LMG's for a price of 58 billion dollars.

I would like to order 20 million M26 assault rifles and 5 million M32 LMG's for a price of 58 billion dollars.

OOC: But you can only field an army of 19,000,000 :confused:

OOC: But you can only field an army of 19,000,000 :confused:

Surplus stock, duh.

I mean, do you really expect your weapons NEVER to break up?

Armies do need spares.

My thoughts exactly

I would like to order 20 million M26 assault rifles and 5 million M32 LMG's for a price of 58 billion dollars.

Weapons have been kicking around in the warehouses just waiting to be sold. They should all be delivered in a short amount of time, thank you for your business.

Let's see... I'll make it relatively simple.

5 million of everything in the "Small Arms" category,
300,000 of everything in the "Armor and Artillery" category,
5000 of every aircraft,
20 of every ship,
10 million Kevlar vests,
1000 Bladerunner Torpedoes.

Money wired.

OOC: VISA, are you sure that your budget can buy all of that? I suggest that you check that.

OOC: VISA, are you sure that your budget can buy all of that? I suggest that you check that.

What budget?

What budget?

http://www.sunsetrpg.com/economystatistics.php?nation=VISA+Corp

Check specifically the Defence and Law budgets.

VISA Corps:

Defence (4%): $142,662,961,955
Law and Order (25%): $891,643,512,216


I don't know if he can afford all of that.

http://www.sunsetrpg.com/economystatistics.php?nation=VISA+Corp

Check specifically the Defence and Law budgets.

Still I ask: What budget?

I already looked at that many, many times. It looks okay.

And anyway, RP as a multinational corporation, I've always had a tonnage of money that was never on the books.

And if that doesn't work, I'll siphon the money from the rest of my puppets. All thirteen of them.

And anyway, RP as a multinational corporation, I've always had a tonnage of money that was never on the books.

And if that doesn't work, I'll siphon the money from the rest of my puppets. All thirteen of them.

Your first option is generally accepted as godmod.

Your second one is puppetwank.

*groan*

Never mind then.

Your first option is generally accepted as godmod.

Your second one is puppetwank.

Lulz @ puppetwank....

Yea, no weapons for you unless you drastically drop that order.

*groan*

Never mind then.

I'll tell ya what, I'll set ya up.

I'll give you three million G36E's, Berreta's, and Kevlar vests
Eight hundred Mercury's and a thousand Mars LBT's
Twenty Charon's and five Neptune's

Give me $100,000,000 and I'll call it a day

I'll tell ya what, I'll set ya up.

I'll give you three million G36E's, Berreta's, and Kevlar vests
Eight hundred Mercury's and a thousand Mars LBT's
Twenty Charon's and five Neptune's

Give me $100,000,000 and I'll call it a day

You just made my day.

Have a brownie.

(Money Wired)

You just made my day.

Have a brownie.

(Money Wired)


Glad to do it.

We'd like 150 Bladerrunner torpedoes, if they're available.

We would like to purchase 2 An-225's for 560 million dollars, to expand our heavy lift capability.


John Macked
Calizorinstan

We'd like 150 Bladerrunner torpedoes, if they're available.

We would like to purchase 2 An-225's for 560 million dollars, to expand our heavy lift capability.


John Macked
Calizorinstan

Both orders are accepted, expect delivery soon

300 TALON defense systems - $1,500,000,000
15 An-225 - $4,200,000,000
1,000 INE-101 APC/LAV - $800,000,000
200 BM-21 Grad 120mm multiple rocket launcher - $160,000,000
10,000 U-3A2 Main Battle Tank - $4,500,000,000
250 Mercury Class APC - $850,000,000
10 Charon Class frigates - $200,000,000

Total: $12,210,000,000

You got yourself a deal, equipment should be arriving in a few weeks. Thanks.

We would like to purchase 500 TALON defence systems. Money will be sent once order is confirmed.

You got it, stuff will be there soon.

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I would like to purchase 150 kevlar vests.

you got em. thats all?

I guess, for now anyways.

alrightey.

So how big is your army anyway?

Well, it isn't huge, but it's growing.

Here are the figures
(1) T-11 Light Tank:
Manufacturer: Falkasian Armored Designs
Crew: 3 (Driver, Loader/Gunner, Commander)
Weight (pounds): 31 tons
Length: 25'4"
Width: 12'6"
Height: 12'6"
Armor Thickness: 1/2 inch of Steel Plate, 1/4 inch of Depleted Uranium Tiles, 1/4 Reactive Armor Tiles. 1/4 inch Reinforced Titanium Alloy Plate inside Crew Compartment
Forward Speed (Paved): 65 mph
Forward Speed (Cross-Country): 45 mph
Reverse Speed (Paved and Cross-Country): 30 mph
Engine: AGT-1500 turbine engine
Allision TG-250-2A powershift cross drive transmission with 4 forward /2 reverse
Fuel Tank: 317 Gallons
Fuel Consumption: 2.3 MPG
Vertical obstacle climb: 51 in
Maximum width ditch: 110 in
Fording Depth: 48 in
Main Gun: 152mm cannon; 20 Sabot rounds and 15 AP Piercing Rounds
Missile Launcher; 5 TOW Missiles
Coaxial machinegun: M240 - 7.62mm
Commander's machinegun: M2 - .50 cal
Sensors and Fire Control: M140 Gunner's Ranging and Firing Computer, IR SACLOS data link, Radio/GPS Command Link, MK3 IPD (Incoming Projectile Deflection) Computer
Price: 3,000,000 USD

350 MP5K-N Submachineguns
1,000 Ketsveer .45 Semi-automatic Pistols
100 GLARRM-37 Grenade Launchers
100 MG7 Machine guns
100 MP8 PDW
900 AK48 Assault Rifles
100 PanzerFaust 4T Recoilless Rifle
20 PanzerFaust BunkerFaust Bunker Destroyer Rocket
20 MG-G2 Grenade Machine Guns

(5) F-35 Lightning II Fighter Jets

Oh, and I forgot to add your 150 kevlar vests.