NationStates Jolt Archive

This RP is set in the world created by Harry Turtledove, while his name may not be inspiring as his books, you should consider reading this all out and considering if you want to join.

Basically, there is a Confederate States of America that got its independence from America. Because historically General Lee had some of his orders, Special Directive 191, fall into Union (Federal, US) hands (wrapped around some cigars no less!). This time, General Meade is completely overmatched and is promptly destroyed at Union Mills.

My rules aren't all that intricate, just some minor notes on being good and don't get to wrapped up in god modding, and keep your ideas within the time period. Most of your countries outlooks are historical, and Mr. Turtledove has only made social viewpoints different mainly in the Americas.

This RP starts in 1910. Now don't be dissuaded and think this is one of those one breath RPs. I am starting it on the brink of WWI because I do want to see you RP competently. No little posts about this and tht without any grammer; no US for you, and if you are the US, you may lose the position. So post neatly, and in good detail.

So with a independent CSA there is several interesting bits and pieces that have fallen differently, some significant occurences include:

-Quadruple Entente: CSA, Britian, France and Russia.
-Quadruple Alliance: USA, Germany, Austria-Hungary and Italy.
-Philippines is under Japanese control.
-Cuba is under Confederate control.
-Oklahoma is called Sequoya
-Whigs dominate CSA politics, instead of dying out.
-Sandwich Islands are in British hands.
-Imperial Germany is good friends with the United States.
-Alaska is still Russian.
-Monroe Doctrine, shot between the eyes.
-Maximilians control Mexico.
-Socialists replace Republicans as the Democrats' main opposition party.
-Statue of Rememberance (With sword) instead of Lady Liberty (With torch).
-Rememberance Day as a US holiday.
-Tanks are (will be) commonly named as barrels.

Some General Countries:

Great Britain- Lroon
France- Abream
Italy-
Islamic Tribes in Russia- Buristan
Russian Empire
Indian Tribes of Sequoyah- Horde of Doom (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508293)
Belgium
Japan- Daehanjeiguk (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508325)
China
Confederate States- Ezaltia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508106)
Dominion of Canada- Lroon
Empire of Mexico
Argentina
Mormon Rebels- Canadstein
Austria-Hungary- Moorington (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508080)
Bulgaria
Serbia
Germany- Candistan (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508397)
Ottoman Empire- Voxio
Irish Rebels- Veelis
Norway- Granate (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508287)
United States- Florida Oranges (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508396)
Armed Socialist African American groups
Chile
Paraguay
Brazil

Assorted Hyperlinks:

Wikipedia Article on Timeline 191 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_191)
Map of The World (http://turtledove.wikia.com/images/0/02/World_of_1914_%28TL-191%29.png)

Ooh! Likey Hary Turtledove. When's this set?

Well, my factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11981836&posted=1#post11981836)(for inspiration) and this is set in 1910. My first post is a touch garbled, sorry.

At the moment I am letting anyone recive any country, but to make sure m RP doesn't suffer the same depressing fate of a lot of others, you need to at least post once every 2 days, or your off the nation list and an be replaced.

Let us not get into minor details like that, what country is your desire?

Great Britain FTW!

Great Britain FTW!

Okay added, don't feel it very necessary to have a factbook. Especially if you stay active, but if you have some free time on your hands, make a bare bones one and add details and info whenever.

I'll be the Confederacy. Harry Turtledove kicks ass.

Oh yeah, you forgot to mention that the sides.

Quadruple Entente: CSA, Britian, France, Russia

Quadruple Alliance: USA, Germany, Austria-Hungary, Italy (later replaced with Ottoman Empire)

I'll be the Confederacy. Harry Turtledove kicks ass.

Oh yeah, you forgot to mention that the sides.

Quadruple Entente: CSA, Britian, France, Russia

Quadruple Alliance: USA, Germany, Austria-Hungary, Italy (later replaced with Ottoman Empire)


Thank you, Turtledove's world is more complex the longer your mind works on it.

Sorry for the delay, for I had to have dinner, you are added.

Freedom! (Even though that doesn't appear later.)

Come on you Harry Turtledove fans, I know you are out there!

Could I have Germany? If not, I guess Italy or the Ottomans are Okay with me, too.

Could I have Germany? If not, I guess Italy or the Ottomans are Okay with me, too.


I am perfectly fine with you having Imperial Germany, have a fun time RPing!

Okay. Thanks for letting me. Do I need to make a factbok immediately? And are there any major events from 1865-1910 other than the CSA winning the Civil War that would effect Imperial Germany?

Okay. Thanks for letting me. Do I need to make a factbok immediately? And are there any major events from 1865-1910 other than the CSA winning the Civil War that would effect Imperial Germany?

Not especially, activity, more than a silly factbook that may not be used is more wanted. Yet if you find time on your hands, it is appreciated.

Imperial Germany is in the hands of Kaiser Wilhelm II, he is literally in boots that swallow him whole. His predeccesor and father, Wihelm I, has literally made Germany within his generation. So Junior is really feeling the strain of trying to live up to the reputation.

So when America comes along, he jumps at the chance to become allies, as he sees this could be a way to further his ambitious goal of being the dominate power in Europe.

Somewhat basic run down, cover all the bases?

Hmm..I'm making my factbook for the CSA, it should be posted within the hour. You might need to help me a bit, I only read 'Breakthroughs,' 'American Empire,' and 'Settling Accounts.' I dont know too much about the CSA in the Great War, so you'll have to help me out.

Hmm..I'm making my factbook for the CSA, it should be posted within the hour. You might need to help me a bit, I only read 'Breakthroughs,' 'American Empire,' and 'Settling Accounts.' I dont know too much about the CSA in the Great War, so you'll have to help me out.

Basically everything about it is "old school". Its political, military, and social higher echelons are pretty much the same since the Civil War. II's, III's and IV's dominate. The Whig party itself is made mostly of those kind of old military families.

Slaves and plantations are in wide, if not wider abundance than before the Civil War, the South is almost expecting victoy, having defeated America once again during the book "How Few Remain". (Which is uber good, one of his better works.) It was a war over the Mexican provinces of Sonora and Chihuana (sp?). The map doesn't show it, but you do have a country spanning from sea to sea.

Culturally south is still the stereotypical (in a good way) sleepy humid days of the good old days. Urbanization or industrialization hasn't really occured anywhere in big numbers such as in New York. Richmond is big, so is Birmingham, along with some other state capitols but it is essentially a lot more rural and easy going that the Remeberance north.

Your army is pretty good, bunch of soldiers if not more educated, then at least more intelligent and braver then your northern counterparts [bullets really don't make a quibble about those differences though]. Your officers actually do their craft well, and even though they may find their way at the top faster than they normaly should, they aren't really incompetent-incompetent.

Allies are all good and friendly. Britain, you and France have been buddies since the Civil War. Almost by defacto Canada, who has a exceptionally competent, if not large military, and Mexico. Who loves you for buying the pieces of desert to get her out of debt, and because you protected her against the Monroe Doctrine (Maximilian is a Habsburg, aka European).

Actually, I think slavery was abolished by the 1890s due to pressure from Britain and France. Blacks were still heavily segregated and abused, though, and could not be citizens.

We have less than half as many soldiers as the US, but our philosphy is 'quality over quantity.' Officers and enlisted alike are trained better than the US counterparts (especially officers) and I believe that, unlike the US, enlistment is voluntary in peacetime.

Seen the maps. The CSA's pretty big, but still way smaller than the US.

Actually, I think slavery was abolished by the 1890s due to pressure from Britain and France. Blacks were still heavily segregated and abused, though, and could not be citizens.

We have less than half as many soldiers as the US, but our philosphy is 'quality over quantity.' Officers and enlisted alike are trained better than the US counterparts (especially officers) and I believe that, unlike the US, enlistment is voluntary in peacetime.

Seen the maps. The CSA's pretty big, but still way smaller than the US.

Yeah, the US of A always wins because it just has more stuff to go around.

Slavery was abolished technically in 1890 to get British and French involvement into the Mexican War [Forgot the exact title] but slavery in one form or another was still very much alive. It won't be until a CSA defeat, and the Congree Socialist Republic uprising that really forces slavery to be stopped.


Here is your wage niger, 5 dollars-
Bills:
Room and Board: 3.50
Clothes: 1.00
Non-essentials: 50

despite this being my first post with this char, I'm very interested in this RP - although I must lament that I have not yet heard of 191 or its subsidiary tales. I'd like to know more before I make any commitments.

[if you need any proof of my experience, I only need cry "Allahu Akbar" and Moorington ought to recollect well from his position in Hong Kong...]

If I find this very interesting, I might join in. But it won't be until after Thursday that I make any sure commitments to this RP. If I can get a quick reply, I'd greatly appreciate it!

Coincidentally, we're studying the Civil War is my history class right now. It's funny cuz I know way more (from good ol' Harry) than the rest of the class.

Also, do you mind if the Confederate Army uses green-gray uniforms like the US? I know that in 191 they use tan, but tan is so ugly. You can still tell the two sides apart by their helmets.

US helmet:http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/28/Stahlhelm.jpg

Confederate helmet:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/89/M1917helmet.jpg

Plz?

I guess I'll make a play for the U.S., although I'll need some time to research this Turtledove stuff before I can get up a factbook.

despite this being my first post with this char, I'm very interested in this RP - although I must lament that I have not yet heard of 191 or its subsidiary tales. I'd like to know more before I make any commitments.

[if you need any proof of my experience, I only need cry "Allahu Akbar" and Moorington ought to recollect well from his position in Hong Kong...]

If I find this very interesting, I might join in. But it won't be until after Thursday that I make any sure commitments to this RP. If I can get a quick reply, I'd greatly appreciate it!

The map moderator who isn't a moderator. Is that it? I think so, but I am only somewhat sure. Please, let the words come forth, like a good bottle of Smirknoff.


Sure, you can have green-gray, your right. Tan is pretty ugly, and I never could understand why in the world the Brits loved the color for so long.

I really never could turn down a position Florida, so the US is yours. Sadly, if you show any lack in time, or skill. Your position could become, tenous.

Well, that is all for tonight, Ezaltia, take it away for the graveyard shift!

I don't want to step on anyone's toes, but hwo in the hell are the CSA gonna be able to tell it's soldeirs apart form the USA if they are both wearing the same color uniform?

Will do, Moorington. See you later.

I don't want to step on anyone's toes, but hwo in the hell are the CSA gonna be able to tell it;s soldeirs apart form the USA if they are both wearing the same color uniform?

Different helmets, and different uniform cut. Besides, my uniform will have more gray than green, and the US has more green than gray.

The map moderator who isn't a moderator. Is that it? I think so, but I am only somewhat sure. Please, let the words come forth, like a good bottle of Smirknoff.

aye...

[edit - having reviewed the TIMELINE on this website: http://turtledove.wikia.com/index.php?title=Category:Southern_Victory&until=Order+of+Lee

I have decided that I would be interested in joining as Japan - but I will not be able to post until Thursday at the earliest, so I hope that it comes with great expectations :D]

In trying to stick with the continuity of the books, I've had problems finding information about this particular year. Does anyone happen to know if Turtledove mentioned who was president of the States in 1910? I can't find any given U.S. presidents from 1900-1910 through wikipedia or other sites I've been browsing. I do know Roosevelt was elected in 1913, and Custer was his rival, but there is no mention of the president preceding Rosey.

Make it up. You're right, it doesn't say.

bump

aye...

[edit - having reviewed the TIMELINE on this website: http://turtledove.wikia.com/index.php?title=Category:Southern_Victory&until=Order+of+Lee

I have decided that I would be interested in joining as Japan - but I will not be able to post until Thursday at the earliest, so I hope that it comes with great expectations :D]

Good to have you on board Alif Laam Miim.

Hope Japan turns out to be exciting.

Oh yeah, I'm back!

I don't want to step on anyone's toes, but hwo in the hell are the CSA gonna be able to tell it's soldeirs apart form the USA if they are both wearing the same color uniform?


Adding; there is also, to a certain degree, battlefield tactics which dictate that CS troops on one side, and US troops on another. So if a US soldier is charging the trenches of their opponents, and sees a guy, he is going to shoot first and ask questions later. Questions like "what color was his uniform?". Even if CS troops (or US) were running around in hot pink, it would just reaffirm that they had just killed an opponent.

Not especially, activity, more than a silly factbook that may not be used is more wanted. Yet if you find time on your hands, it is appreciated.

Imperial Germany is in the hands of Kaiser Wilhelm II, he is literally in boots that swallow him whole. His predeccesor and father, Wihelm I, has literally made Germany within his generation. So Junior is really feeling the strain of trying to live up to the reputation.

So when America comes along, he jumps at the chance to become allies, as he sees this could be a way to further his ambitious goal of being the dominate power in Europe.

Somewhat basic run down, cover all the bases?

Yup, thanks Moorington. Is there a time in which you think the RP will start or are we just waiting for more people?

More people, because right now it would b pretty hard to figure a way out for this all to work, unless I dropped Austria-Hungary on someone else and took all the NPC nations. Which could work if no more interested players appear.

I would hope Russia, the US, Canada, and another Europe country to be filled (France, Belgium, Netherlands, Italy) before we start. A lot of vital holes in our patchwork of nations.

I'll take Italy if that's okay.

Also, what is the stance on the Panama and Suez canals? In the old T191 RP they didn't exist. Is it the same now?

Does the CSA have those Mexican states that it had in the books or did you do away with them again?

I'll take Italy if that's okay.

Also, what is the stance on the Panama and Suez canals? In the old T191 RP they didn't exist. Is it the same now?

Does the CSA have those Mexican states that it had in the books or did you do away with them again?

I knew you couldn't resist the temptation of being Italy.

Yes it is the same, there was (in 191) a attempt to make a canal in Nicuraga or somewhere, but after the threat of war from America, nothing ever became of it.

No, they have the Mexican states, I just need to fix the map, and post up.

Bumpity-boppity-boo!

Sadly I've chosen to withdraw my bid for the United States. I don't feel I can roleplay this role actively, and that it would be unfair to take this spot with so many talented writers available.

You could be a lesser player, like Mexico or one of the South American countries.

Actually, I think I'd like to be the Ottoman Empire. I've been Italy the last few RPs and I think I'd like something different.

Do we have a set schedule for how time passes?

Actually, I think I'd like to be the Ottoman Empire. I've been Italy the last few RPs and I think I'd like something different.

Do we have a set schedule for how time passes?

Sweet, I'll change you over to the Ottoman Empire.

I was thinking something similiar to E20. 1 day is one month, and the weekends are the build and consalidation days. Special time is allowed for wars and the whatnot.

Florida Oranges, you seem to have a good grip on grammer, and basic English. So I hope you stay in this RP, would you care to be Canada, Mexico, or maybe a Low Country?

Could I play the state of Sequoya?

Could I play the state of Sequoya?

Well, as being the Commaches it is a yes. As the independent state of- your going to need to work it out with Ezaltia (CSA player).

Playing as the Commaches could be a interesting spin, never actually thought of it. If you would like to use the Commaches a run down would be that you appreciate the easy going Southerns, who have been kind and polite to you, as long as you do what they want.

Your northern neighbors and you have been fighting on and off for about close to a century now, with lots of massacres, and other fun items being used against each other.

Herr Turtledove hasn't done to much with them (to my knowledge) since How Few Remain. So you have a unique free rein of what your people associate with (before remarks mainly inspiration).

That is, of course, dependent on whether you were mentioning the Indians.

Hmm..Sequoyah..You could be a band of Comanches harrassing US soldiers. I think the US might come to me through you, though.

Bumpity, I know there are Turtledove fans out there!

Yes I plan on being the tribes of the State of Sequoyah, and I even have a mpa of the tribes that inhabited it. But let me think about it

This RP intrigues me. Although I have no experiance reading any of books in this time line.

This linky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_191) would be the best place to read up on.

Wikipedia forever!

Being US or a European country I hope you will first and foremost.

I know you can handle any country, so have fun!

I think I would like a country where I wouldn't have center stage. I dunno where to go though.

Sign me up as the tribes of Sequoyah

I think I would like a country where I wouldn't have center stage. I dunno where to go though.
Well that could be either Belgium, Switzerland, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Netherlands, Mexico, and to a certain extent Canada or Italy.


Sign me up as the tribes of Sequoyah

Will do and welcome aboard!

Give 'em [Northerners] hell!

I think I'll be Norway. That way I am atleast near the Action and could join if I felt like it.

Basically everything about it is "old school". Its political, military, and social higher echelons are pretty much the same since the Civil War. II's, III's and IV's dominate. The Whig party itself is made mostly of those kind of old military families.

Slaves and plantations are in wide, if not wider abundance than before the Civil War, the South is almost expecting victoy, having defeated America once again during the book "How Few Remain". (Which is uber good, one of his better works.) It was a war over the Mexican provinces of Sonora and Chihuana (sp?). The map doesn't show it, but you do have a country spanning from sea to sea.

Culturally south is still the stereotypical (in a good way) sleepy humid days of the good old days. Urbanization or industrialization hasn't really occured anywhere in big numbers such as in New York. Richmond is big, so is Birmingham, along with some other state capitols but it is essentially a lot more rural and easy going that the Remeberance north.

Your army is pretty good, bunch of soldiers if not more educated, then at least more intelligent and braver then your northern counterparts [bullets really don't make a quibble about those differences though]. Your officers actually do their craft well, and even though they may find their way at the top faster than they normaly should, they aren't really incompetent-incompetent.

Allies are all good and friendly. Britain, you and France have been buddies since the Civil War. Almost by defacto Canada, who has a exceptionally competent, if not large military, and Mexico. Who loves you for buying the pieces of desert to get her out of debt, and because you protected her against the Monroe Doctrine (Maximilian is a Habsburg, aka European).

Actually, if I remember correctly, Britain and France extracted emancipation during How Few Remain. Oh, and by the by, the CSA controls Cuba as well.

Actually, if I remember correctly, Britain and France extracted emancipation during How Few Remain. Oh, and by the by, the CSA controls Cuba as well.

Emancipation in the sense of The Congo Free State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congo_Free_State)had no slaves. I am not saying having slavery is a bad thing, I am to much of a capitalist to think to much about the poor little proletarians, but disregarding the fact that Africans in CSA weren't slaves in every sense except the word is editing a large something out.

Norway, I don't know to much about, so you have a free rein to do as you please. No invasion of Denmark or Sweden, or somesuch. Unification through royal bloodlines; a much more plausible yes.

Or you can RP a revivant Norway, actually feeling nationalism along with the biting cold, who does help Britain out.

It is, as you say, not the center, but can enter the Action .

Norway it is then. I'll try the Revivant Route. I like that idea the most.

Norway it is then. I'll try the Revivant Route. I like that idea the most.

Imperial Navy will be duking it out with The Royal Navy within a few years I am sure.

So I am against the British if I go this way? Sorry if I didn't get it.

So I am against the British if I go this way? Sorry if I didn't get it.

It was meant to be a comment that looked different, as you considered it in different light.

Royal could be yourself, and Imperial Germany.
Royal could be England, and Imperial yourself.
Royal could be England, and Imperial Germany (yourself nowhere).

Hmmm.... as always the Norwegians support the British. How Foolish of me to think otherwise. Now I need to find out what Norway's population was in 1910

The Start of my Norway Factbook. Note it's not done as I have dinner now.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508287

Emancipation in the sense of The Congo Free State (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congo_Free_State)had no slaves. I am not saying having slavery is a bad thing, I am to much of a capitalist to think to much about the poor little proletarians, but disregarding the fact that Africans in CSA weren't slaves in every sense except the word is editing a large something out.

Norway, I don't know to much about, so you have a free rein to do as you please. No invasion of Denmark or Sweden, or somesuch. Unification through royal bloodlines; a much more plausible yes.

Or you can RP a revivant Norway, actually feeling nationalism along with the biting cold, who does help Britain out.

It is, as you say, not the center, but can enter the Action .

Not every sense except the word. They did have marginally more freedoms. And in any case, it's definitely worth noting for the sake of the RP. Incidentally, I see you didn't include the Utah seperatists.

Hmmm.... as always the Norwegians support the British. How Foolish of me to think otherwise. Now I need to find out what Norway's population was in 1910

Glad to hear it. Let's go beat up the Swiss! Er... USians, anyways.

*hereby makes a motion to call residents of the USA USians and members of the CSA Confederates OOCly, for ease of reference*

I just say Americans and Confederates.

Just a couple more notes. Socialists replacing Republicans as major opposition to Democrats.

Statue of Rememberance with a sword, instead of Lady Liberty with a torch.

Rememberance Day USian holiday. Scary nationalist vibes.

Barrels, not tanks (at least in the books).

Very handy. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institutions_in_the_Southern_Victory_%28Timeline-191%29_series#Presidents)

Thank you, all of those changes I will post up.

Very handy-

Thank you, all of those changes I will post up.

Very handy-

There's all sorts of 191 information on wikipedia.

You have me listed as playing both Italy and The Ottoman Empire. I'm assuming this is some sort of mistake.

Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508293)

You have me listed as playing both Italy and The Ottoman Empire. I'm assuming this is some sort of mistake.


Yes, I was under the impression you are just playing the Sublime State.

Factbook added.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508287
Just saying that it's there.

So, can we start being all diplomaticy? Because, personally, I'd like to get my ducks in a row as far as alliances go before major conflict starts.

I think I would be correct in guessing that Norway uses British Equipment?
So that would mean Lee Enfield's and the such for me?
What would my navy be?

So, can we start being all diplomaticy? Because, personally, I'd like to get my ducks in a row as far as alliances go before major conflict starts.

You've already got your alliances. You're part of the Quadruple Entente, which also includes Russia, France, and the CSA. Other allies include Canada, Mexico, Japan, and Argentina.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508325

I may be ashamed of it now, but I promise that it is only a work in progress, and once time avails me this weekend, I will update it to shame even the most detailed historian of its awesomeness. :D

I've just got some questions:

- How are we doing economy here?
- How are we doing time lapse?
- Can I assume that this map is accurate for our time?
http://turtledove.wikia.com/images/0/02/World_of_1914_%28TL-191%29.png

what is a good site to find out Imperial German Military Numbers?

You've already got your alliances. You're part of the Quadruple Entente, which also includes Russia, France, and the CSA. Other allies include Canada, Mexico, Japan, and Argentina.

Yes. I know that. On the other hand, I've got big ole friendly Norway looming above Britain, and I'd like (ICly and OOCly) to ensure that they are in fact friendly. I've also got Imperial China (one we get a player for them) rather close to my Indian holdings.

So, can we start being all diplomaticy? Because, personally, I'd like to get my ducks in a row as far as alliances go before major conflict starts.

Yeah, you can start posting some diplomatic cloak and dagger action. Especially with nations not really covered by Harry Turtledove.


what is a good site to find out Imperial German Military Numbers?

General facts- (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Germany#Bismarck.27s_founding_of_the_Empire)
Army- (http://users.hunterlink.net.au/~maampo/militaer/milindex.html)
Colonial Possesions- (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_colonial_empire)



I may be ashamed of it now, but I promise that it is only a work in progress, and once time avails me this weekend, I will update it to shame even the most detailed historian of its awesomeness.

I've just got some questions:

- How are we doing economy here?
- How are we doing time lapse?
- Can I assume that this map is accurate for our time?
http://turtledove.wikia.com/images/0...8TL-191%29.png

Added the factbook, and am assured the factbook will become a pinnacle of awesomeness in due time.

The economy, uncertain to say the least, a build(s) version like E20 is not out of the picture. Time is 2 days for each month, and Sunday consalidation. The map is exccedingly accurate, I'll post it on the main thread.


Norway, I would guess, uses British equipment. Its navy, I don't know, wikipedia has all the answers though, sift through there.

Updated the Factbook with the equipment. Now all I need to know is how to do the economy.

Updated the Factbook with the equipment. Now all I need to know is how to do the economy.

In the meantime, care to do a Britain/Norway meeting?

Sure, sure. I just need to think up a Emissary Name.

Sure, sure. I just need to think up a Emissary Name.

So do I actually. Hmm...

Travis Thompson. Nod nod. Your turn.

*for help with names* (http://babynames.com/Names/search.php)

You can search by nationality, gender, first couple of letters, last couple of letter, etc.

Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson.

Nordic Enough? Oh and your name generator didn't have Norwegian Nationality.

Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson.

Nordic Enough? Oh and your name generator didn't have Norwegian Nationality.

It's got Scandinavian though.

Arrgh! The tribes need to rp!

Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson.

Nordic Enough? Oh and your name generator didn't have Norwegian Nationality.

So you want to start it or shall I?

Go ahead, I've got a few things to do.

If anyone is peeking in, The United States nor France is claimed.

If anyone is peeking in, The United States nor France is claimed.

Are they the only major ones we're missing?

Russia possibly a few others.

Cmon people! Russia, the United States, and France are still open! You know you want to play!

I suppose I can try my hand at the U.S. as I've already got a rough sketch of a U.S. factbook that I can have up today. I can probably stay active, it's just a matter of me putting forth some effort I guess.

If we don't get a Dominion of Canada, can I RP them as well, seeing as they were pretty much under British control at this time?

By teh by, Norway/Britain Diplomatic Thread is up. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11991772#post11991772)

I suppose I can try my hand at the U.S. as I've already got a rough sketch of a U.S. factbook that I can have up today. I can probably stay active, it's just a matter of me putting forth some effort I guess.

Okay, cool, you are accepted!

If we don't get a Dominion of Canada, can I RP them as well, seeing as they were pretty much under British control at this time?

By teh by, Norway/Britain Diplomatic Thread is up. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11991772#post11991772)

Yeah, you can be them for as long as no one else comes up witht he idea to play Canada.

I suppose I can try my hand at the U.S. as I've already got a rough sketch of a U.S. factbook that I can have up today. I can probably stay active, it's just a matter of me putting forth some effort I guess.

Hurrah! I look forward to invading you. Er...

That came out a little wrong. What I meant to say was RPing with you. Yeah... nodnod.

Allright, now that we have a US the war comes closer. I think i might rp a powwow of the different tribes, speaking on the role between them and the confederacy. This should establish me as the most rebellious of the states.

Also, since you said this is more then a one shot rp, so I assume once the big war begins, it's up for grabs on who wins?

Yeah, this RP should hopefully last at least until 1960 or somesuch; then we will restart it, or consider it a fun time and leave on our own seperate ways.

But I think I am a little ahead of myself- a powow of Indians and Confederates seems to be in order, and then after your done with that I think I can start the RP.

Since the only other Continental Europe power is Germany, I think I will content myself for the time being with any other NPC nations, and the like.

Powwow is up (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508372)

If any confederates want to ride in and interrupt, go ahead.

Hmmmm... what to do first?

The King's of Norway have a legitamate claim to Denmark.... and Greece.....
Weird? Yes I know.

Hmmmm... what to do first?

The King's of Norway have a legitamate claim to Denmark.... and Greece.....
Weird? Yes I know.

Greece? The Ottomans might have something to say about that. If they ever get played, that is.

What's the story with Greece anywho?

The House of Oldenburg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Oldenburg). Which is the House which Rules Norway, Denmark, and Greece at this time in history. The King of the Hellenes is the Greek one. It also has ties to the Swedish and British.

Europe had some kinky stuff in its royal families, there seemed to be a higher level of aristocracy that made a living being the kings of countries.

I always considered the House Oldenburg to be a smaller Version of the Hapsburgs. Man, those Hapsburgs were into some wierd stuff.

Kinky Europeans!

Anyhow, anyone out there looking for a Harry Turtledove RP? We have France, Russia, Sweden, Belgium, and a slew of other countries open!

May I join as Buristan, I am currently working on a History for it, I ask if I may join once it is complete. It is an Islamic nation in the Caucaus Mountains, however, they know them as the Fokok Mountians.

May I join as Buristan, I am currently working on a History for it, I ask if I may join once it is complete. It is an Islamic nation in the Caucaus Mountains, however, they know them as the Fokok Mountians.

Real nations, or those created as part of the official Timeline 191 I believe.

Greece? The Ottomans might have something to say about that. If they ever get played, that is.

Greece?! I've never heard of this Greece...you must be making up this nation.

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BTW, your map is incorrect. Libya, Most of greece, part of serbia, all of macadonia, all of albania and part of bulgaria belong to me.

I have a map and would be willing to take care of all map-making if you would like...I'd be doing it so I'd have a personal map anyways.

Greece?! I've never heard of this Greece...you must be making up this nation.

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BTW, your map is incorrect. Libya, Most of greece, part of serbia, all of macadonia, all of albania and part of bulgaria belong to me.

I have a map and would be willing to take care of all map-making if you would like...I'd be doing it so I'd have a personal map anyways.

You could be our map maker, that's great! Until you finish your map though, we'll keep the first one, for reference outside of the Balkans.

*Prods Moorington*

Factbook is up. I'll tweak it later. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508396

You could be our map maker, that's great! Until you finish your map though, we'll keep the first one, for reference outside of the Balkans.

Oh, my map is pretty much done. I just need to choose the colors. I'll post it later for you.

*Prods Moorington*
*Wakes up* Huh? What?

Factbook is up. I'll tweak it later. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508396
Will post up on the big board.

Oh, my map is pretty much done. I just need to choose the colors. I'll post it later for you.
Sweet, and thank you.

So who wants to start an rp with me? It can be diplomatic, a conflict, whatever.

^ Deutschland can

I was wondering, if I could somehow dispose of the Danish Ruler and then have my King, who is related to the Danish Royal Family as well the Swedish, British, and Greek Royal Families, be instated as the ruler. This would not only garner me control of Denmar, but also Iceland and Greenland.

But how to go about this...

Your settlers can raid Sequoya...and be massacerd

All right, I have to ask. Are you planning to revolt against the CSA? cuz we treated you waaay better than the US ever did.

No, we indians just...hate white folks and like to rule ourselves. Honestly, after so many years of Genocide....can you blame us. It's basically a survivalist culture, as many people in Sequoya are always worried that Confederates might pull a Wounded Knee.

Now if I'm mistreated, you can bet I'll secede. If Sequoya is treated as equals and generally allowed to "do it's own thing" we'll be fine.

Imagine Sequoya as one big Indian Reservation, full of angry, paranoid, armed natives.

Florida Oranges: How about you, Germany, and I start a meeting in Wein where we will assure each other that our intentions to defend each other are still valid, fitted in and around some nation chest pounding.

Rings a bell, does it not?

Granate: How about we start this first war off with a [attempted?] assassination of your new ruler by crazy, wide-eyed Iceland fanatics who are obsessed with keeping their nation out of the bonds of aristocracy? Funded of course by the Austrio-Hungary empire who saw the rise of another great European family threatening.

Then a swift chain of reactions will ensure, with officially unsanctioned Indian tribesman going out and killing, plundering, and all that nonsense on the plain of Kansas.

Those two events should, and are, enough to send the world towards a cataclysmic war that will be quite enjoyable.

Whooo Hoo! I get to plunder, rape, and pillage!

Florida Oranges: How about you, Germany, and I start a meeting in Wein where we will assure each other that our intentions to defend each other are still valid, fitted in and around some nation chest pounding.

Rings a bell, does it not?

Granate: How about we start this first war off with a [attempted?] assassination of your new ruler by crazy, wide-eyed Iceland fanatics who are obsessed with keeping their nation out of the bonds of aristocracy? Funded of course by the Austrio-Hungary empire who saw the rise of another great European family threatening.

Then a swift chain of reactions will ensure, with officially unsanctioned Indian tribesman going out and killing, plundering, and all that nonsense on the plain of Kansas.

Those two events should, and are, enough to send the world towards a cataclysmic war that will be quite enjoyable.

Sounds absolutely dandy to me. I'm game for anything. Do you want to start the thread or would you rather me?

It would require me to get ahold of Iceland, which is under Danish Control, but if I can dispose of the Danish King, My King's brother, my King should have a pretty good claim.

Well, I've started working on my factbook, so I'd like a quick critique on how it's going. I'm still looking at population stats, and military equipment, but judging that I'd have a lot of stuff from Britain and France [along with a growing contingent of "home-grown" ships and equipment, I just want to make certain that all is well.

That said, I haven't read too much about 191 Timeline, but from what I read, I apparently have a lot of room to maneuver, which I intend to do.

ASIA FOR ASIANS!

but seriously, I'd like to know if what I'm doing right now is alright. And I'd also like to know how I can manage the economic and diplomatic blocs as it stands now, since I understand that things have changed quite a bit since the last time I knew of things.

Bump for the Topic.

I'll get the assasination attempt (that sparks WWI) going once I know who exactly your okay with killing, and if the assasination should even be successful.

If I had to do it right now I would say that your current king is peacfully put down, and with your new inter-related one attains power crazed Icelanders attack him with guns and bombs. They don't actually manage to kill him, but kill his brother and maybe another relative.

Dispose of my King and install the Danish King, it's different.... might work better I dunno...

The RP, (http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/7785/sealqe7.th.gif) I don't think it has been my best work, butit suits the purpose and I am getting anizous to start this thing.

Ok first, nice Symbol. Don't know why it's called The RP.

Second. My king died? If so, I am ok with it. This means that I have legitamate way to unite Denmark and Norway, but with Military means.

The Empire of Japan, while nominally under-developed oocly, is icly ready to tackle the challenges of the Empire.

Can I take the Mormon rebels?

Ok first, nice Symbol. Don't know why it's called The RP.

Second. My king died? If so, I am ok with it. This means that I have legitamate way to unite Denmark and Norway, but with Military means.
It is The RP, because I was at a loss of what else to call it. The actual title is of course "The Plunge".

The Empire of Japan, while nominally under-developed oocly, is icly ready to tackle the challenges of the Empire.
From the get go invading German over seas possesions?

Can I take the Mormon rebels?
Of course, a factbook is nominal, so you can start RPing your rebellion from he get go.

I saw the RP and I am at a loss of what to do next... gimme a few.

well, I'll wait for a reason to do so... unless of course Deutschland can be convinced in a sale [once I figure out how to get an economy...]

I saw the RP and I am at a loss of what to do next... gimme a few.

I thought I killed your Norway born king, not the next in line Danish one, if I accidentally typed something else, please give me the heads up.

Yea you killed the Norwegian one. So this means a Danish-Norwegian War...

Yea you killed the Norwegian one. So this means a Danish-Norwegian War...


Or, more likely, you follow the investogators leads and declare war on Austria-Hungary, which then gets Germany in the war, always looking for a reason to invade Denamark and Norway, which then gets Russia and France in the war (Germany is unable to do only partial mobilization) when she declares war on them, which then leads to Britian, Serbia, and everybody else.

Sound like a good plan?

That was one of the two options I had for myself.

I write something up, gimme a while.

Or, more likely, you follow the investogators leads and declare war on Austria-Hungary, which then gets Germany in the war, always looking for a reason to invade Denamark and Norway, which then gets Russia and France in the war (Germany is unable to do only partial mobilization) when she declares war on them, which then leads to Britian, Serbia, and everybody else.

Sound like a good plan?

Actually, Britain's going to support Norway from the get-go, as the post I just made indicated.

Also. It would appear I goofed. Haakon's Father is still King in Denmark. Oh well, that means I can name the next Danish King as the Norwegian Regent.

Also, I setting the date in the RP to around September. Dunno why, just am.

Added my own post to "The Plunge" to set the stage for my raids on kansas

I posted. Hope I didn't miss the mark.

Abream: Hello all...Has France been taken?

Hobo on the street: (No.)

Abream: Perfect! Then can I be France! I promise I won't let the country spiral into a bleak black depression or anything. ;)
I have had some experience RPing as New Switzerland in AMW, and Nippon in Earth: Turtledove (another short-lived RP based on Harrymiester's books.)

Cool. Write up a factbook. I will need France's aid soon.

Abream: Hello all...Has France been taken?

Hobo on the street: (No.)

Abream: Perfect! Then can I be France! I promise I won't let the country spiral into a bleak black depression or anything. ;)
I have had some experience RPing as New Switzerland in AMW, and Nippon in Earth: Turtledove (another short-lived RP based on Harrymiester's books.)

Hey Abream, venerable resident of Cologne and I remeber you from our last Herr Turtledove adventure.

Good to see you around, France is expected to fufill its obligations to Britian and the CSA, and will be expected to do whatever Britan does.

Moorington, about the proposal

I think that it was a no. Considering it's our timeline with a few slight alteration that Turtledove noted, like the CSA and tthe control of certain areas.

I think that it was a no. Considering it's our timeline with a few slight alteration that Turtledove noted, like the CSA and tthe control of certain areas.

Oh, well, sorry for the trouble

May I join as Buristan, I am currently working on a History for it, I ask if I may join once it is complete. It is an Islamic nation in the Caucaus Mountains, however, they know them as the Fokok Mountians.

Sorry Buristan, I didn't see this, and if you have a accurate and plausiable enough history I'll let it in. The idea has just enough imagination for me to say yes, but I don't want it executed poorly.

I would like to join as the Irish Rebels if that is ok.

If it is could i possibly get some background information and maybe an idea for the factbook?

Thank you Moorington, I have not finished yet, but here is the thread, it is a work in progress, so tell me if this is good, I will write it up to the date in which I finish.

Buristan Timeline (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11997107#post11997107)

I would like to join as the Irish Rebels if that is ok.

If it is could i possibly get some background information and maybe an idea for the factbook?

All I know is from the article on RL Ireland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Ireland), Republic of, and that it mentioned in Timeline 191 that it comprimised of modern Ireland and Ulster (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster).

Thank you Moorington, I have not finished yet, but here is the thread, it is a work in progress, so tell me if this is good, I will write it up to the date in which I finish.

Buristan Timeline (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11997107#post11997107)

It looks good; I am imagining that Russia considers your tribal homelands Russia, while you consider yourself an independent country. So this could form into a Chechnya for the Russian player (who we don't have yet).

So I'll add you, but I don't know what you’re going to do until we fill in some of the blanks.

Thank you Moorington, I have not finished yet, but here is the thread, it is a work in progress, so tell me if this is good, I will write it up to the date in which I finish.

Buristan Timeline (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11997107#post11997107)

Since I'm doing the map could you describe the nation to me or draw a sketch of where it's supposed to be and how it is shaped?

So what exactly are the irish rebels? I can draw a conclusion based on the name and the history but is that all?

here (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b400/ShortPoett/Caucasus-map-D2.gif) is map, Buristan is the shaded part. If you need to, you can modify the borders slightly in order to make it easier to RP with, I am fine with that.

Here (http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b400/ShortPoett/Caucasus-map-D.gif) is the original map, for your reference

I'm having difficulty finding the RP - where is it?

Also, have we figured how we're going to do a lot of the stuff for the RP - notably economy?

And I'd like to know some specs for some British equipment, seeing as they would have been the typical ally for Japan during this period.

I'm having difficulty finding the RP - where is it?

Also, have we figured how we're going to do a lot of the stuff for the RP - notably economy?

And I'd like to know some specs for some British equipment, seeing as they would have been the typical ally for Japan during this period.

nvm, here is the thread [I found it :D]:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508506

Bump *prods Moorington to change name to Buristanian Tribes* will you guys please check the history, I am unsure of weather I have the Mongol history accurate to the time period. Also, would a crusade have been viable, and for the Papacy to form it into a Crusader state?

I think I have lost most of my inspiration for this RP, if you guys want to continue it you can. Sadly- I am moving on and hope I can RP with you guys again.

I think I have lost most of my inspiration for this RP, if you guys want to continue it you can. Sadly- I am moving on and hope I can RP with you guys again.

I think that I would have to agree with you that this RP is dying, I think I will move on as well, I woiuld have been active, I felt however that it was my duty to write the history first, before I could RP it properly. Moorington do you know any places that would take me in, as I feel now that I have written this history and researched so much for nothing at all

I think that I would have to agree with you that this RP is dying, I think I will move on as well, I woiuld have been active, I felt however that it was my duty to write the history first, before I could RP it properly. Moorington do you know any places that would take me in, as I feel now that I have written this history and researched so much for nothing at all

Generally speaking no, you could try out Earth V, or Earth II, but other than those I don't think so.

@Buristan: Join Earth V as a nation in Africa. I'll help you if your an African Nation. And if you do join as an african country, join the PAC (Pan-African Conference)

@Buristan: Join Earth V as a nation in Africa. I'll help you if your an African Nation. And if you do join as an african country, join the PAC (Pan-African Conference)

Once again, I can't join as an african nation, that would cause me to have to write the entire history again, and that is not something I am willing to do right now. I guess I could RP in the general NS world, but I had read some of the stuff out there and it seems very uninspired. Do you think that the EV and EII bosses (I am not sure what to call them) would let me join in as the Buristan of history, with the map that I had posted up on this thread

Buristan: You can use the history for General NS RP's and make a new one for EV(it doesnt have to be great, My nation doesnt even have a history.) You cant have the Caucasus region in EV because the UCR owns that land.

Buristan: You can use the history for General NS RP's and make a new one for EV(it doesnt have to be great, My nation doesnt even have a history.) You cant have the Caucasus region in EV because the UCR owns that land.
And a large portion of Persian Plateau

Buristan: You can use the history for General NS RP's and make a new one for EV(it doesnt have to be great, My nation doesnt even have a history.) You cant have the Caucasus region in EV because the UCR owns that land.
I will pass in that case, for now at least.
And a large portion of Persian Plateau

Jesus, how big is a country in this game? Are all countries that big

I'm actually one of the smallest. Considering I only Control Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, and a large portion of northwestern Iran. My largest city is Tehran which is along my east and southern border.

I'm actually one of the smallest. Considering I only Control Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, and a large portion of northwestern Iran. My largest city is Tehran which is along my east and southern border.

Smallest, that is gigantic

On this map. No it isn't
http://www.freewebs.com/ducdesaintlazare/ALM_world.PNG

Seems to me much to big for fun

Mine is the yellow one in West africa. But I got half of it through conquest which is pretty easy to accomplish(as long as you give a "legitimate" excuse)

Still, much to big to allow any fun. I do not want to be involved in a war-bsed RP, more a trade based, and diplomacy-based one. One like the real world, where you need a extremely good excuse to invade someone

Heres my Factbook:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=505640&goto=nextnewest