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In Secret IC:

Allies,
I am sorry to have called on you so many times for help. But after we defended a fellow ally from invasion, we were attacked! Monarch Allies, strike back! We have.

--Emporer Boran III of Demaray

**OOC: This is basically an OOC thread for the war

Good to have an OOC thread, the main bit is getting crowded with... everything.

I wouldn't of nuked us, you have made the corporation very angry. Seeing as they make nukes and mine uranium and do lots of things nucleary its not a good idea to mess with them.

It was the weakest nuke ever, and you're too much of a godmod to RP it. Now stay the fuck out. Know what secret Ic is?

The current arguement revolves around the Denemay nuclear strike which is highly unjustified. We pin-prick his massive (with no stats) ships, and he fires two tactical nukes.

I say that he cannot afford them with the massive navy he has deployed.

Pudu declares that this is all irrelevant, as to hit our fleet, from the submarines he has deployed, the missile can be shot down in the terminal stage, before it even gets close, with ABM systems.

I agree, they say it can't be, for no other reason than it just can't.

Then they declared our fleet destroyed.

So we level the charge of godmoding, and that Pudu can easily take down those missiles and that we should have a fair naval battle.

It was the weakest nuke ever, and you're too much of a godmod to RP it. Now stay the fuck out. Know what secret Ic is?

The weakest nuke every would sink the ships nearby and leave the majority of the fleet floating but irradiated. And besides he said this was an OOC thread:

"**OOC: This is basically an OOC thread for the war"

It was the weakest nuke ever, and you're too much of a godmod to RP it. Now stay the fuck out. Know what secret Ic is?

This is an OOC thread, and your one of the biggest god modders ever. If I recall you got nuked three times totally?

It was the weakest nuke ever, and you're too much of a godmod to RP it. Now stay the fuck out. Know what secret Ic is?

You know that you can respond in OOC to Secret IC (aka SIC)

Demaray got himself involved in this, and is now unhappy that he so confidently declared war on a trio of massive orginizations...

Demaray got himself involved in this, and is now unhappy that he so confidently declared war on a trio of massive orginizations...

4, me, you, GC, and Caldonia

4, me, you, GC, and Caldonia

Me, Leaf, and GC, and then you and Clandonia leapt in after he began the fight.

Demaray got himself involved in this, and is now unhappy that he so confidently declared war on a trio of massive orginizations...

We can make an agreement, now lets go where the problem started:

Counter missiles fired, but not enough, some of the missiles struck the ships. But luckily the navy likes a few big ones instead of lots of dinky ones.

"We must defend our ally!" said the Emporer in a speech. And at the same time, the subs fired two minute (small enough to where it will just blow up the fleet) nuclear missiles straight at the heart of the fleets.

OOC: I'll make a map later

Then comes our OOC protests that Demaray cannot have nukes as he is too young to develop them IC, adn he has yet to produce an order form buying them.

Engaging Demaray Fleet, Pudite 1st SOTF, Nuclear Attack
The twenty helicopters sent to discharge the pair of nuclear-powered and apparently missile submarines quickly detected the large, swiftly rising shape of a ballistic missile, and the fleet was alerted via automated fail safes.

Taking this in quickly, every ship in the fleet, including the stealth carriers as well as the swift corvettes and scout frigates, immediately fired a response. The slow-moving nature and large size of a nuclear missile made it an absolutely delicious target for the nimble missile defense systems of the Pudite fleet, designed to take down much smaller and faster targets...

Launching even before the pair of enemy missiles left the surface of the water, the Pudite countermeasures were moving. Every single fleet-ship instinctively launched twenty-four of their S-300V ship-to-air missiles, a salvo totaling over seventeen-hundred missiles, directed at only two foreign objects. There was no way for them to miss...

It was a good thing these cargo ships were so nearby, after this battle the missile tubes of these ships would need a reloading, badly, if the missile usage continued as it did...

He effectively RPed the destruction of the nukes pointed at us. Now, it is a small nuke, but we are close enough for long-range antishipping missiles, putting us well in range of ABM systems, and since it is so close and such a large target, it would be immensely easy for Pudite countermeasures to destroy them.

Pudu isn't a fleet of scraps and 80's era ships. He is post-modern fleet with highly sophisticated ships and electronics.

What exactly are you after, then? You can forget land

What exactly are you after, then? You can forget land

We can remember whatever we want. We will take whatever we want, pending discussion of this nuke business.

Now I say that he couldn't afford them int he first place, nor could they be domestically developed.

Pudu shot them down.

Both of these are being ignored, and you have godmoded the destruction of our fleet.

So lets stop beating around the bush.

Do you accept the destruction of the nuclear missiles by the Pudite fleet, or do we have to get into the long and nasty discussion about whether or not he could have afforded to develop nukes or buy them.

I am tired of all of this friken nuke bull shit and that is why I always ignore random nuke and chemical attacks.

I am tired of all of this friken nuke bull shit and that is why I always ignore random nuke and chemical attacks.

Unless it is done right, like that latest "Graphic" RP, nukes have no place anywhere outside a MAD situation.

Gas attacks work on a tactical level, and I use non-lethal chemical weapons.

Biological weapons are too nasty to deal with in PMT.

I never nuked you.. that was Demaray. And missiles were fired at all military sattelites.

Is there anything more specific than that?

How many at whose satalites? What makes them go, and what makes them know where to go...

Is there anything more specific than that?

How many at whose satalites? What makes them go, and what makes them know where to go...

In our RL world, there are more than 2500 satellites in orbit. Imagine in NS world, how crowded it could be. Some nations boast 2500 military satellites in orbit. And my nation fields around 1500 if we count ones that are active but not in service.

Boy I missed quite a tiff here eh?

I hate it when people use nuclear weapons, there really should be a rule against it. O wait, there is, month old nations dont get them, sorry Dem.

So we ignore the nuclear launch and continue on our campaign to blast those ships?

Boy I missed quite a tiff here eh?

I hate it when people use nuclear weapons, there really should be a rule against it. O wait, there is, month old nations dont get them, sorry Dem.

Boy I missed quite a tiff here eh?

I hate it when people use nuclear weapons, there really should be a rule against it. O wait, there is, month old nations dont get them, sorry Dem.

Burn.

Damn, looks like the war is gonna end cause of this... And I had a huge force ready too...

Could we give them some sort of proof that the rule exists, just so they can't say we made it up to save our asses?

Could we give them some sort of proof that the rule exists, just so they can't say we made it up to save our asses?

Technically it isn't a real rule, but a guideline, but a strictly enforced guideline.

Nuke development isn't easy and requires years, upon years of technical expertise and trillion of dollars of investment to produce a simple implosion type bomb, and much more time before it can fit in a missile, and even longer time to have it fit in a tiny MIRV warhead, and even more investment and time to have it launch out of a submarine. At least 35 years of development which is more than one month NS time wise, and usually most nations wait for the 3 month mark before they announce they've done it.

Now the 35 year timeline is if the government invests all it can into development, therefore, no fancy ships or guns until the nuke is done. The 3 month timeline is used because you don't put all your eggs into one basket.

Or occasionally you get an oddball like me, who on his first day here announces that he's diverting a large amount of money into nuclear R&D, and then proceeds to discreetly funnel that money into a variety of other projects, such as agriculture, and a fledgling supersoldier program.

Someone mind telling me what is going on? All I picked up so far is someone was nuked (apparantly numerous times) and someone else is mad. And how's the M.A. involved?

Someone mind telling me what is going on? All I picked up so far is someone was nuked (apparantly numerous times) and someone else is mad. And how's the M.A. involved?

GC attacked Galations who called the MA

Someone mind telling me what is going on? All I picked up so far is someone was nuked (apparantly numerous times) and someone else is mad. And how's the M.A. involved?

Nobody nuked anyone.

Demaray tried to use a submarine launched tactical nuclear weapon after he got in over his head, and I shot it down... rather easily.

Me, GC, and Leaf's mafia were passing through his waters, and he objected. Sent a fleet, we were breaking it, and he pulled out a pair of SLBMs.

Now he's complaining.

Sorry to interrupt, but Pudu, check your storefront.

We've got 8 million fighting men... 1 million is a joke. Now I do believe Demaray mini-nuked your fleet, and Mr. Admiral is dead. Now RP before you face the wrath of our 10,000 nukes

Woah, missed this... Where to start, where to start...

We'll go from the beggining of the sentance;

1) No, you don't. You have a population of 73 million, and with 5% of that enlisted, (which is an ABSOLUTE maximum), you could only have 3,650,000 men in the entire armed forces, and realistic logistic force behind this is the ratio 1:7. Now with this ratio, we have a force of 456,250 combat troops. This is divided between your Air Force pilots, Navy crew, and all your soldiers.

2) Don't think I have only a million men, that is but half of a single Army Group. Don't get arrogant, I have a military budget that could buy your nation, many, many times.

3) I do believe that he tried to nuke me, but I shot it down using the missiles DESCRIBED IN THE STATS I HAVE FOR MY SHIPS. You should get some of those. Read the post, it's totaly fair.

4) Do I even have to tell you why a nation with a military budget of 60 billion dollars cannot afford this...

As far as I can tell Galations and Demeray are have a tough time accepting the downing of his nuke before it was able to detonate... Now the nuke would not detonate because first of all if you la8nched the nuke with it being ASAP detonable you run a HUGE risk of having the nuke exploded right on the launch pad. you would have to have a monitoring staff ready to activate the nukes detonation system. To enable its ability to strike. Now how does this tie in with the argument of

" If the nuke hits you..boom, if it was shot down and exploded under water...your fleet is dead."

Well to simply put if your missile was not armed for detonation, no it wont exploded in the water. It want exploded at all.

And mini-nukes doesn't carry the radioactive killing power of a full strength one. the amount of radioactive material used isn't enough. you would get a mini version of a regular nuke. and I stress mini version. we are talking about a 10 sec light show tops.Not really enough to take out a fleet of this size.

and with all of your Fighting force galations is boosting about, not all of them are going to be navy trained. you still need air force and ground forces plus logistics. so out of your 8 million man army you can use about an 8 th of it for the navy.

and with all of your Fighting force galations is boosting about, not all of them are going to be navy trained. you still need air force and ground forces plus logistics. so out of your 8 million man army you can use about an 8 th of it for the navy.

I already went through this, broke it down a ways.

I know I just backed you up....

Woah, missed this... Where to start, where to start...

We'll go from the beggining of the sentance;

1) No, you don't. You have a population of 73 million, and with 5% of that enlisted, (which is an ABSOLUTE maximum), you could only have 3,650,000 men in the entire armed forces, and realistic logistic force behind this is the ratio 1:7. Now with this ratio, we have a force of 456,250 combat troops. This is divided between your Air Force pilots, Navy crew, and all your soldiers.

2) Don't think I have only a million men, that is but half of a single Army Group. Don't get arrogant, I have a military budget that could buy your nation, many, many times.

3) I do believe that he tried to nuke me, but I shot it down using the missiles DESCRIBED IN THE STATS I HAVE FOR MY SHIPS. You should get some of those. Read the post, it's totaly fair.

4) Do I even have to tell you why a nation with a military budget of 60 billion dollars cannot afford this...

Finally! Someone that agrees that Galation is fucking wrong.

Finally! Someone that agrees that Galation is fucking wrong.

So we get D to admit that we shot down the missiles, he has egg on his face, and we launch a massive counterattack with no room for negotiation anymore.

So we get D to admit that we shot down the missiles, he has egg on his face, and we launch a massive counterattack with no room for negotiation anymore.

Indeed.

but why would he agree to that. Were going to have to force him to agree. Through aggressive negotiations.

but why would he agree to that. Were going to have to force him to agree. Through aggressive negotiations.

Very. Fire ze missiles!

I was thinking more along the lines of electrocution of the balls. But missles work just as well.

Nobody nuked anyone.

Demaray tried to use a submarine launched tactical nuclear weapon after he got in over his head, and I shot it down... rather easily.

Me, GC, and Leaf's mafia were passing through his waters, and he objected. Sent a fleet, we were breaking it, and he pulled out a pair of SLBMs.

Now he's complaining.
Ah. Well that's quite... hasty...
USE DIPLOMACY DEMARAY! DIPLOMACY! ESPECIALLY WHEN NATIONS 10 TIMES THE SIZE OF YOU ARE PASSING THROUGH YOUR WATERS! I suggest Demaray recalls the M.A., and send a DIPLOMAT to Pudu and the like.

The Ed has spoken.

I was thinking more along the lines of electrocution of the balls. But missles work just as well.

That would work. If he hadn't had that sex change operation.

Sneaky and smart, he knew this would happen and as such had a sex change operation. Well there are other parts to electrocute.

Finally! Someone that agrees that Galation is fucking wrong.

I'm an empire, got 2 colonies which really brings up the population.

And I'm willing to bet that those "colonies" would happen to have the same IP addresses as you. You see, that's something called puppetwanking, and is very much frowned upon here on NS. So yes, your population is 73 million, give or take a few mil.

unlike me!!!! All my garrisons are under the other poor fools IP...Muhahahahaha.

Also would you happen to have a thread for them?

I'm an empire, got 2 colonies which really brings up the population.

Can I get the pages of these colonies?

And I'm willing to bet that those "colonies" would happen to have the same IP addresses as you. You see, that's something called puppetwanking, and is very much frowned upon here on NS. So yes, your population is 73 million, give or take a few mil.

I've heard from colonies that you don't add conquered territories population to your population, you just use your normal population and their territory for bases. But the same population.

I can draft anyone under the Empire. If you don't believe I have colonies, here:

http://www.nationstates.net/gala_isle
http://www.nationstates.net/new_galation

I'm an empire, got 2 colonies which really brings up the population.

I too have colonies, soon I'll get another one...

Which do you prefer, Pudite Galation, or Foreign District 06?

OOC: Puppetwanker. http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Wank#Colony.2FEmpire_Wank

I can draft anyone under the Empire. If you don't believe I have colonies, here:

http://www.nationstates.net/gala_isle
http://www.nationstates.net/new_galation

Yeah, I can make puppets with the same name as me too...

Give us a thread, where you conquer these nations and I'll believe you, otherwise it's puppetwanking.

I have puppets nearly the size of me, but I use these for different kinds of RP'ing, not defending a hopeless loss...

Gladly. I'll go find them.

EDIT:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=506234&highlight=Interested+in+buying+land
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=505951&highlight=Annexation+of+New+Galation

OOC: I guess this conflict is over...?

I retract my last statment...

I guess this is over then..

the Isle I give you but the New Galation I cant the RP was abaondoned and the was left with people calling you a godmodder. Now if they left by not posting anymore I could let it go, but the exessive use of Godmodding noob shows up a lot in that thread SO I have to refuse it use in our current RP.

you go right ahead thinking that, but I'm using them.

OOC: I guess this conflict is over...?

Why on earth would it be over, I'm invading you!

... I blew you up. Now send more ships if you wish to continue this invasion.

you go right ahead thinking that, but I'm using them.

If you where willing to reRP the taking of the New Galation then I would be more willing to believe that you are th legal owner, but there was to much godmod calling for me to accept it. And Emperor Pudu is right its not over yet.

... I blew you up. Now send more ships if you wish to continue this invasion.

No you didn't you at most damaged them. and took out a few. but not the entire fleet. And not the fleets of all the invading parties. My navy went throgh an alternate route and is sitting in Galation waters. I have more then enough fire power to burn you nation in to the Mantle.

... I blew you up. Now send more ships if you wish to continue this invasion.

First; why do you think you did that, becuase you didn't...

Second; I have thousands of ships, blowing up 72 of them will NOT stop an invasion of anyone.

No you didn't you at most damaged them. and took out a few. but not the entire fleet. And not the fleets of all the invading parties. My navy went throgh an alternate route and is sitting in Galation waters. I have more then enough fire power to burn you nation in to the Mantle.

what's the thread for this invasion?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=507749

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=507749

Note his saying;

"I launch two nukes at your fleet, which then destroy it..."

And my post, easily four times as large, explaining why launching two missiles at a fleet of seventy-two ultra-modern escorts, meant to be used as a missile screen anyway!

More nukes to come your way :) Especially you, British Londinium. Set a ship in our waters and your nation will be a chemical testing zone.

Now I dont want to sound like a dick, but I have to.

Demaray, are you brain dead? Your nuclear attack failed miserably. Hell, you shouldn't even have nukes. Now either grow a set and engage our fleets in an actual battle or let us through.

I know. I am just saying to be generous. Two nukes against a flet of hat size is at best retarded. Easily shot down. I am just saying even if they went through it would not have destroyed the entire fleet.

More nukes to come your way :) Especially you, British Londinium. Set a ship in our waters and your nation will be a chemical testing zone.

You cannot afford nuclear weapons, you have a defense budget of $22,548,626,100.00...

Now, if you launch more missiles at me, missiles I don't believe you can afford, chances are I'll shoot them down, what with you being a billon-dollar baby nation, and me being a nation with a defense budget that can buy your entire economy fifteen times over...

More nukes to come your way :) Especially you, British Londinium. Set a ship in our waters and your nation will be a chemical testing zone.

You are so... arrogant...

Galation reguraly gives Demaray nukes, money, and ships.

Galation reguraly gives Demaray nukes, money, and ships.

You shouldn't be able to afford nuclear weapons either, you're both tiny.

Many real countries w/ populations under 10 million have nukes. We also recieve 5 trillion a day to our government, and most goes to the military.

Galation you've been nuked three times though! Your nation should be glass!

Galation you've been nuked three times though! Your nation should be glass!

And with each nuke you GDP plummited, you ability to rebuild you aconemy would be drasticly crippled by th lasting effects of the nuking. Thus you still couldn't afford the nukes.

Many real countries w/ populations under 10 million have nukes. We also recieve 5 trillion a day to our government, and most goes to the military.

Many real countries have money, and understand that when more than 1,700 missiles move to shoot down two, it works...

It takes many, many years to develop a nuclear program and then many, many more to create a nuclear weapon. Your population has nothing at all to do with your technological level, and as you have existed for very little time...

Many real countries w/ populations under 10 million have nukes. We also recieve 5 trillion a day to our government, and most goes to the military.

From where?

Okay, anyone wanna use logic here?

Galation and Demaray, you are both pitiful in size, what makes you think that we can't crush with the push of a button. Say you have 200 nukes (even though you don't have the technology for one) proportionatly, according to our economy pages seen here (http://nstracker.retrogade.com/index.php?nation=drexel_hillsville&nation2=Demaray&nation3=&nation4=&nation5=&nation6=), I would have more than ten times that. 200 Nukes isn't even enough to cover my entire land, let alone break through to the protective bunkers in which my citizens are herded into once a nuclear lauch has been confirmed. Meanwhile, I have enough nukes to rename your nations cratortopia.

I'm going to totally ignore that, as that's godmodding. We have a top o fthe line navy and shoot down almost all incoming planes. Reword it so you send planes over, not tell me the damage, and I'll RP it.

OOC: How is it you have a top of the line ANYTHING, as well as more than 10,000 nukes, an 8-million man army, and a stable economy? You have about sixty billion dollars to spend, you cannot afford this!

"I'm going to totally ignore that, as that's godmodding."

We're getting a big boost in funds from that island sale. So we can afford it.

We're getting a big boost in funds from that island sale. So we can afford it.

No, everyone said that sale was illegal as imperial isa is a god modder from future tech land.

We're getting a big boost in funds from that island sale. So we can afford it.

No, no you cannot. 100 trillion USD will not pay for the research, development, production, and testing of a functional nuclear missile, submarine launched nuclear missiles, as well as technology on a level with the most advanced nations, the paychecks of 8-million men, as well as the massive depression through lack of a stable ecnomy and industrial force that that would cause.

You cannot afford that.

No, everyone said that sale was illegal as imperial isa is a god modder from future tech land.

That too, in addition; no nation has 100 trillion dollars in spending money... So, either way, what you say cannot be true.

No, everyone said that sale was illegal as imperial isa is a god modder from future tech land.

Imperial Isa just tried to sell me highly purified iridian ore for a suspiciously low price.

I asked where it came from:

"Replicators".

So MT/PMT.

And then, a further operation commensed. A terrorist in Blackhelm. He had in one hand, a vile. In the other, a bomb. He had arrived earlier that week. His plane took out from Galation. A janitor, also in on this, had carried the vile in his cart past security, and placed it in the bathroom where the terrorist later retrieved it. With the vile, which was full of an engineered disease, Galish Influenza V2, that kills it's vistims in several hours by eating their arteries, he was in the Capital. He threw the vile to the ground. A toxic gas came out. People would get infected very soon. An epidemic would now start. And none of this was traceable back to Galation.

First off its vial.

Secondly, we need justification here. Despite being PMT and allowing alloys to be made and genetic engineering to be done on people, this goes too far. I can't imagine a disease that kills its victims in a few hours by 'eating their arteries' spread beyond 3 blocks because it kills too fast.

I also can't see it as a toxic gas. And if you just did that, congratulations viruses can't survive in air and you just slaughtered them. You should have put them in the water supply or something.

Even if we allow it to survive, it still is ultimately the worst virus ever, it eats arteries. You've defeated the purpose of influenza's ability to spread, via the lungs.

Lets say for the sake of argument the toxic gas does do something, instead of putting the viruses on the ground and letting them die. It'll enter through the lungs and begin the replication process inside the arteries. It replicates extremely fast and immediately internal bleeding starts. It'll spread rapidly to the heart and the person's organs will be crushed and lack of oxygen will kill the person.

He has probably not coughed, and he will collapse, and because arteries are deeply embedded in our bodies, the only sign of internal bleeding will be his change in colour and texture. He'll be quarantined, the virus identified, and the terrorist who threw it on the ground will die. Immigration will identify him as a man who arrived on board a plane from Galation. And this will give ample justification for the Blackhelm Confederacy to enter the war.

Outsider's view:

Leafanistan: Bacteria can survive in air. I think multiple people would walk past the place of the gas and thus be infected. Before they are quarantined, they move around and get more people infected, then they move around and so on, thus an epidemic. Also Galation, you also left major gaps in the scheme. Like how did the virus get to the janitor? Terrorism is VERY hard to trace back to a government though, you have a point.

OOC: unfortunately, this isn't a bacteria, it is a virus, so it cannot survive in air.

Hmm, but doesn't bacteria cause diseases? I guess high school biology needs to cover more material.

They both cause diseases...but influenza, or any deriviant thereof, is a virus.

3 Large Battleships
2 Nuclear Subs
200 Medium escort ships
2 Hospital Ships
2 Medium aircraft carriers, 150 F-14s each

3 Large Battleships (assuming Iowa class Battleship, 1980's complement): 5400 crew
2 nuclear subs (assuming Los Angeles class Submarine): 280 crew
200 Medium escort ships, also a supercarrier is a Nimitz which can hold up to 90 aircraft, therefore, a 150 aircraft carrier is your medium, the escort ships must be huge, (assuming Kirov class Cruiser): 142,000 crew
2 Hospital Ships (assuming Mercy class Hospital Ship): 2550 crew
2 Medium aircraft carriers, (assuming 1.5 times the crew of Nimitz including pilots): 17,100 crew

Total: 167,330 crew total on this fleet. Going with the 1:7 logistics ratio of PMT/MT you have 1.2 million sailors supporting this fleet.

With 89 million people that is 4.45 million people in your military. That is with a wartime max of 5% (or else your economy collapses), you cannot support an 8 million man army much less a military, and the fleet you just deployed comprises your entire unbalanced navy, unless your navy comprises of more than 1/4 your possible military.

Outsider's view:

Leafanistan: Bacteria can survive in air. I think multiple people would walk past the place of the gas and thus be infected. Before they are quarantined, they move around and get more people infected, then they move around and so on, thus an epidemic. Also Galation, you also left major gaps in the scheme. Like how did the virus get to the janitor? Terrorism is VERY hard to trace back to a government though, you have a point.

We are not dealing with bacteria. This is influenza, a virus. Also how does it spread? They aren't coughing, they just get dizzy, stupefied, perhaps get a nosebleed and then drop dead. The bacteria are trapped in the blood and on the ground. I can understand it becomes spores but even if we somehow made a bacteria that eats only arteries, reproduces at a ridiculous rate, kills its victims in a few hours, it doesn't spend enough time in someone to spread. Think about how many people you see in 8 hours. Think about how many people you coughed on. Think about how many will actually inhale that air within seconds after it comes out. How many will get enough in their lungs and arteries to overwhelm your innate immunity and kill someone. Not enough time to create an epidemic.

Also from what I understand, the terrorist brought the vial to a janitor. Who took it to a building in the capital of the Blackhelm Confederacy (Not even the Griffencrest Headquarters). Godmoded the janitor, a Confederate citizen, to do his terrorism for him to sneak the vial past security. Then somehow the terrorist on his own gets past security and breaks the vial on the ground, poisoning himself and due to fact that he is a Galation citizen convince the Blackhelm Confederacy that the Griffencrest Corporation's crusade is just and leading an invasion by a far more powerful military.

They both cause diseases...but influenza, or any deriviant thereof, is a virus.

Thank you, if you call it the flu, its a virus.

OOC: Kinda sick and not at home, so updates may be infrequent, British Londinium seems well versed enough to help cover this debate.

yea, why was my attack over looked?

Crossposted from Oil Struck!

OOC: Ok there is a point where politeness completely falls apart in an RP.

You were nuked, beyond belief, it'll take years to repair this damage, at least a decade via Leafanistani Radiation absorbing bacteria. After that, the best I can do is harvest isotopes for medical uses and wait another decade to begin building.

To control an island, you need people and people tend not to survive when they have been either:

A) Vaporized
B) Incinerated
C) Suffocated
D) Irradiated
E) Dead...ed

All of these are symptoms of a nuclear attack.

Face it, you have lost, and there is no chance of survival for your nation. Those who do survive will be brutally enslaved and probably used as slave labor on the islands to rebuild them. Their mutated children will tell stories of their foolish ancestors who blasted their lands to nothingness and forced their race into slavery.

At this point, while it may be bad etiquette while the original owner is still babbling that his world has survived, we might as well claim the land, as there is no way anyone could have survived that.