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Well, I've decided I'm going to go FT again. But this time, not as a future incarnation of my MT nation, but as an Eldar Craftworld seeking to resurrect the fallen Eldar Empire.

The basic plot line is that, after the birth of Slaanesh and the Fall of the Eldar, instead of sticking around the Milky Way, this Craftworld decided to flee deep into the Andromeda Galaxy. And now, after thousands of years of re-populating them selves and building a vast army, they decide to return to the Milky Way and do battle against the galaxies current occupants for control of of several systems on the fringe of the galaxy.

My first question is if anyone has a problem with me not playing my own nation in FT, and two, if someone would be willing to play the current holders/governors of the systems I plan on invading. WH40K Races are preferred, but not required. Up to two opponents are welcome.

Please? ;_;

What do you mean by not playing your own nation?
Do you mean same name, different backstory/history?

What do you mean by not playing your own nation?
Do you mean same name, different backstory/history?

You know, an FT Tocrowkia.

I could populate one of the systems if you dont mind...

You know, an FT Tocrowkia.

Ah, so a different IC name/history than your account name/MT history?
Don't think there would be a problem with that.

I could populate one of the systems if you dont mind...

And what race is your population made up of?

I dont see a problem with it (if my countenance means much here.) My holdings are deeper inside the Milky Way anyway, plus I'm deep in a war anyway presently.

Still I'll keep an eye out here for the future. =^^=

And what race is your population made up of?

Our Race is called Eborian... we are humanoid in looks and nature but have slight differences like our eyes glow white andour skin has been infused witha biometal that gives use a shimmer in the right light and we are about 7 foot tall on the average. That and our civilization is heavy into solid light based infrastructure and material. So our building, cloths, even our otthbrushes would be made from solid light, all of which can be controled and altered by simple mental manipulation. All in all we are a peaceful race with strong ties to some very unworldly techs. But dont let the peaceful looks be all that you see.

see link for eye example...
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:qUMGp96whrb04M:http://chrisnolan.ca/photos_loc/blog/00000269/thumbs/tn__Hayden%27s-Eyes-White.jpg

I might point out that Eldar cannot breed, due to that whole "children are still born soulless" catch from Slaaneshs birth.

Stop being so downing all the time. Maybe he can breed... No one said he has to follow the boundries of that people...

Stop being so downing all the time. Maybe he can breed... No one said he has to follow the boundries of that people...

Except, he is that people, so he does. Eldar cannot breed. Their children are born soulless. There is no evidence that Slaanesh lacks influence beyond the milky way, thus their children would be born soulless outside it as well. It's not a good way to do things.

what tech? if you pick ST i know a site with a whole bunch of non-canon designs!!!

what tech? if you pick ST i know a site with a whole bunch of non-canon designs!!!

Sorry, but if so, post anyway. I'm curious, since I'm considering a bit of such for my Confederacy Alliance Defense Fleet after the Counterattack War finishes (relatively..)

I.e. my interest... at the very least send a TG please. =^^= Thanks in advance.

as am I, would like to see what you got.

woops double

http://www.treknology.org/starships.htm

Sweeto, meessa like bombad. =^^= (Or thanks, in non-warped JarJareese...)

Except, he is that people, so he does. Eldar cannot breed. Their children are born soulless. There is no evidence that Slaanesh lacks influence beyond the milky way, thus their children would be born soulless outside it as well. It's not a good way to do things.Well, actually according to how you read it the Warp itself seems only to be affected by the Milky Way and in a way is a copy of it and there seems to be a ‘shadow’ galaxy for all galaxies in the universe.

Sweeto, meessa like bombad. =^^= (Or thanks, in non-warped JarJareese...)



DIE INHUMAN DIE!!!!! *SWINGS AXE AT JARJAR*

DIE INHUMAN DIE!!!!! *SWINGS AXE AT JARJAR*

*Ducks* Hey, I just warp the human language, I don't do the cosplay crud. *Puts up some JarJar cutouts to have as dummy targets and scoots away*

Except, he is that people, so he does. Eldar cannot breed. Their children are born soulless. There is no evidence that Slaanesh lacks influence beyond the milky way, thus their children would be born soulless outside it as well. It's not a good way to do things.

And yet, there is no evidence Slaanesh has influence beyond the Milky Way, either.

Well, actually according to how you read it the Warp itself seems only to be affected by the Milky Way and in a way is a copy of it and there seems to be a ‘shadow’ galaxy for all galaxies in the universe.Yeah, I do agree as the Warp has no proven affect outside the Milky Way.

Eldar can breed, fact remains in point, new Eldar have been born since the creation of the Eye of Terror, since the Eldar refer to those who caused the fall as our "Ancestors" rather then "Fathers" from the Quote:

In the Spring Storms of Youth, it is common amoungst our people to question the validity, and indeed sanity, of our ways, most expecially the pursuit of perfection in but one field of endeavour at a time: The Path, as it has been callled since our ancestors created it. While the Young are intellectually capable of studying the tragic lessons of the Fall And the great Enemy Unleashed by our ancestors...

Bold By me. This passage shows they do breed. The Problem with them is that their population is on a decline, because they breed very slowly, but their not dead.

Anyways, corse its fine if its not a FT version of your nation, so long as its a FT nation, no one minds.

Love Anisarian, the Singing Lady.

One would wonder how they returned (Or got to andromeda in the first place). They can't use the warp, don't have access to necron-scale FTL, the technology (Magic) to expand the webway from inside the same was lost...

And seriously. The eldar 'Theme' is that of a small, endangered minority that just so happens to be advanced as hell, thus balancing the problem out (Sorta... They do decline in numbers, after all. Well. In 40K fluff, anyway. In NS... *Peers at Tor Yvresse* not so much. Happens when the lopears start cooperating with 'crons...).

Anyway. If you're going to play 'em, maybe, just maybe it'd be a good idea to follow that theme and go the way of a 'Lost' craftworld somewhere in the milkyway going active again? 's long as the craftworld's position is secret (Easy - could've been hidden in the webway), the lack in numbers is mildly irrelevant. Particularly when considering the methods of deployment available through the webway - 'course, it requires sneakyness, not mass assaults.

Incidentally, I'd suggest making a new nation for such... It just looks better, and is vastly less confusing, nevermind vastly more in character.

One would wonder how they returned (Or got to andromeda in the first place). They can't use the warp, don't have access to necron-scale FTL, the technology (Magic) to expand the webway from inside the same was lost...

And seriously. The eldar 'Theme' is that of a small, endangered minority that just so happens to be advanced as hell, thus balancing the problem out (Sorta... They do decline in numbers, after all. Well. In 40K fluff, anyway. In NS... *Peers at Tor Yvresse* not so much. Happens when the lopears start cooperating with 'crons...).

Anyway. If you're going to play 'em, maybe, just maybe it'd be a good idea to follow that theme and go the way of a 'Lost' craftworld somewhere in the milkyway going active again? 's long as the craftworld's position is secret (Easy - could've been hidden in the webway), the lack in numbers is mildly irrelevant. Particularly when considering the methods of deployment available through the webway - 'course, it requires sneakyness, not mass assaults.

Incidentally, I'd suggest making a new nation for such... It just looks better, and is vastly less confusing, nevermind vastly more in character.

The FTL is something I acknowledge, and haven't fully figured out yet. I figured I'd just explain it with something cheesy, like they managed to find hidden Webway paths or something.

And while the near-extinction theme of the Eldar is cool and all, the entire point of this RP would be, as I mentioned for significantly powerful Craftworld to attempt, and somewhat succeed in restoring the glory of the old days. Too much of the whole whole "Fading race" thing is too depressing, anyways.

As for making an entirely new nation, I've also been considering that, and noting in it's signature that it has Tocrowkia's population or something to that effect.

*Shrug*

"Ahhh, our ancient enemies endure! Fear not, old one, Slaanesh still hungers for your soul...We shall be happy to appease our lord"

Good to see some Eldar kicking about :D

I have a few factions, that could get you the tech needed to travel the distance. I could get the full specs for you but the tech is used by me and Bolagga(SP?)...( I cannever spell his name right..sorry dude)

Meh, the Soviet Imperium will rise above all, witches and heretics shall be burnt in holy fires of doom set by the Immortal Emperor of Mankind himself!

Yes, he's an arsonist.

I have a few factions, that could get you the tech needed to travel the distance. I could get the full specs for you but the tech is used by me and Bolagga(SP?)...( I cannever spell his name right..sorry dude)

speaking of specs...where does one get specs for technology like FTL and Partical Accelerators and stuff like that?

One must look at the all powerfull google. Plus the tech I am refering to has very little Scifi specs, and a lot is based upon the ideas of its creator, I used Dime tech not many people use it becaue it isso hrd to explain.

The best way to put it with out sounding completely stupid is like this:

A dime user can command a rip though the known and unknwn Dimensional planes allowing the user to travel unlimited distances within mere seconds. ths tech also allows the user to travel without the treat of detection unlike slipspace, hyperspace, and or light speed users, this is possible becuase the uer of the dime tech is no longer present in the known reality. allowing the dime user to slip past defenses and fleets without being noticed, or at least until he returns then a massiv break in reality occurs and everyone wih in 3oo light years can know we are there. Dime teh can also be used as a weapon in some instantes but that not part of the program. Now the massive rip only ocurs if the user is traveling with any thing larger then a frieghter, if the users travels with anyhting smaller the rip is containable and is controlled.


Now I could try to go more indepth but that would take me all day.

Oh, and Miehm you're wrong. Eldar, at least those strong willed enough to resist the lure of Chaos, are/were able to breed. Thats why they're referred to as "Ancestors" I have the latest Codex, I am keeper of secret knowledge! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I have a few factions, that could get you the tech needed to travel the distance. I could get the full specs for you but the tech is used by me and Bolagga(SP?)...( I cannever spell his name right..sorry dude)

Thanks, but for now I want to try and stick to 40K Tech as much as possible.

Oh, and Miehm you're wrong. Eldar, at least those strong willed enough to resist the lure of Chaos, are/were able to breed. Thats why they're referred to as "Ancestors" I have the latest Codex, I am keeper of secret knowledge! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
He's got the latest Codex? Gods help us..... *prepares the Tenfold Tradition for some Chaos Busting* Now, if only I didn't owe you for that stupid Cassiopeian incident :P Anyways, I'd agree with Chrono and Anisarian, they know their WH40k. (Chrono might actually practice Chaos though...)



Just watch out for galaxy sized relativistic wank (everything in FT is bigger and faster)

Oh, and as for population, in FT you have a little bit more fudge room with population (assuming you're smart/sane about it) I'd say have an IC pop of whatever you think is right, but base your military off your NS pop. You /could/ go with a totally made up population, but make sure you're smart about it.

He's got the latest Codex? Gods help us..... *prepares the Tenfold Tradition for some Chaos Busting* Now, if only I didn't owe you for that stupid Cassiopeian incident :P Anyways, I'd agree with Chrono and Anisarian, they know their WH40k. (Chrono might actually practice Chaos though...)



Just watch out for galaxy sized relativistic wank (everything in FT is bigger and faster)

Oh, and as for population, in FT you have a little bit more fudge room with population (assuming you're smart/sane about it) I'd say have an IC pop of whatever you think is right, but base your military off your NS pop. You /could/ go with a totally made up population, but make sure you're smart about it.

I might go with that as well, depending on how people react. Considering most FT entities in pop-culture have militaries with billions of personnel, who knows.

Here's the FT IC account, by the way. Terribly uncreative name, I know, but it's the best I could come up with. Now, about that invasion....

Oh, and Miehm you're wrong. Eldar, at least those strong willed enough to resist the lure of Chaos, are/were able to breed. Thats why they're referred to as "Ancestors" I have the latest Codex, I am keeper of secret knowledge! MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I was as right as my knowledge allowed. The Lexicanum should be revised to reflect the new information. At present it still says that all Eldar children are born soulless. And that's still going to be a next to nothing minority, since the statement from the Lexicanum must hold true for the majority. If it didn't, they'd be in less of a fix than they're in. Or they'd retreat, breed up to a decent level, and return to fight another day.

I might go with that as well, depending on how people react. Considering most FT entities in pop-culture have militaries with billions of personnel, who knows.

Here's the FT IC account, by the way. Terribly uncreative name, I know, but it's the best I could come up with. Now, about that invasion....

Idunno, I like it.

As for military, don't go for billions of personel, it's too expensive. Go for a few million tops to start, and build up. I personally just concentrate on the Navy with planetary militias being my army. That way, you have an overwhelming Navy that can destroy enemy navies and orbital platforms, then Ortillery enemy space ports. Then the enemy system is strategically worthless, it can't attack anywhere else for an extended period of time, long enough for you to start rampaging elsewhere, and maybe force a capitulation. Long ground campaigns just wear your soldiers down.

Except, he is that people, so he does. Eldar cannot breed. Their children are born soulless. There is no evidence that Slaanesh lacks influence beyond the milky way, thus their children would be born soulless outside it as well. It's not a good way to do things.


It's NS. Absolutely nobody follows canon perfectly. It's her natoin, she's free to do whatever.

*Mind boggles at the image of billion- (Or million, come to think of it) strong eldar armies*

Yeah, because they just love throwing away the souls of a couple million keigh in a mass-assault.

Ah well. Maybe they've pity with Slaanesh? Hasn't had much to eat over the last ten-thousand years... Slaanesh-Kitty wants cookies ;_;

Much, much saner to assume that they enslaved/ convinced/ cheated/ misslead some humans or whatever for their purpose, and use 'em as cannonfodder. Which they do, ya'know, canonically, too.

Whats this nonsence about Eldar Children being born Soulless? If the Eldar where born soulless they wouldn't need Spirit Stones, since they would have nothing to fear in Death from She-Who-Thirsts. The problem the Eldar have is they have lost the ability to reincarnate, this was taken from them by Nightbringer when he fought Khaine. Then things got worse, Slaanesh was born and feeds on Eldar souls as they float around the Warp.

still this only occurs when they die, nothing stops new souls being created much in the way it occurs with humans, ie it's the act of being born that generates the presence. The problem for the Eldar is that they have a much stronger 'Soul' if you like than humans so they remain self aware upon death.

As for Billion plus armies... Why, if your eldar you want a smaller elite force, a force that is highly mobile, if your army is too big you'll have problems taking advantage of the Eldar's main weapon speed. You want an army that is fast to deploy, and pull out, that can strike where your foe is weakest and then get away before they can reinforce. You have the advantage of only really caring about the Craftworld, everything else is bonus that you can afford to sacriface for the eventual victory. So give ground and have your foe weaken himself as he advances then strike where YOU choose. An Eldar army has to control when and where to fight, and the best way to do this, is have that nice small Elite force.

If your army is too large to easily fit within your transports it's too big. The eldar army must remain Mobile, look at the way it s built. Falcon Grav Tanks, Troop Transport, Wave Serpent-Troop Transport, the Vampire Fighter-Troop transport. Warp Spiders, Jet-Bikes. You have to stay Mobile.

Oh and a free hint to explain rising Craftworld populations. I go with, 'Outcasts find Tor Yvresse a tempting craftworld to go to when they decide to rejoin the Path system' feel free to use it if you want.

Always good to have the veritable Black Library of Tor appear to save us. I couldn't find anything about the whole soulless kid thing either, just that the strong, not debased pleasure cultist, Eldar were able to bear normal healthy Eldar children.

Way I see it, Dying Race is just because theres so few left compared to the losses they must still take. Not that they can't give birth

Always good to have the veritable Black Library of Tor appear to save us. I couldn't find anything about the whole soulless kid thing either, just that the strong, not debased pleasure cultist, Eldar were able to bear normal healthy Eldar children.

Way I see it, Dying Race is just because theres so few left compared to the losses they must still take. Not that they can't give birth


Part of the problem is that the Eldar where always a slow reproducing race, even before the fall. Triple Helix DNA needing multiple.... 'encounters' between the sexes to produce offspring. This hasn't been helped by the fall, and the troubles of the 40K universe. They can and do have offspring, but the number of children per generation is lower than the number needed to maintain their pop levels...

Usually, kinda, well GW has decleared it so, so it shall be.

IIRC, some Eldar children, like Human children, are born soulless. The whole Pariah thing. The Eldar ones just become Solitaires. Of course, I'm operating from older fluff, and I haven't checked out the new codex and it's info on Solitaires (does it have Solitaires even?), so I could be wrong.

IIRC, some Eldar children, like Human children, are born soulless. The whole Pariah thing.
Nope. The old Assassins codex goes out of the way to say that such a thing is alien to the eldar, and they'd kill any such monstrosity at birth, not raise it to kill. Makes sense, of course, as when the necrons/C'tan implanted it, they did so only (as far as we know) to humans.
The Eldar ones just become Solitaires.
That's a ritual involving the Laughing God, that strips them of their souls. Their souls are essentially doomed to Slanessh. But anyway, that's something that happens to them later in life.
Of course, I'm operating from older fluff, and I haven't checked out the new codex and it's info on Solitaires (does it have Solitaires even?), so I could be wrong.
I believe not. Harlequins are in there, but only a basic troupe, rather than an entire band of them.

*Mind boggles at the image of billion- (Or million, come to think of it) strong eldar armies*

Yeah, because they just love throwing away the souls of a couple million keigh in a mass-assault.

Ah well. Maybe they've pity with Slaanesh? Hasn't had much to eat over the last ten-thousand years... Slaanesh-Kitty wants cookies ;_;

Much, much saner to assume that they enslaved/ convinced/ cheated/ misslead some humans or whatever for their purpose, and use 'em as cannonfodder. Which they do, ya'know, canonically, too.

Bah, we have no use of mulish Mon-Keigh! >.>

...But yeah, I'm going to stick with the "Classic" style of Eldar warfare. Also, I'll post that thread either tonight, tommorow or the day after, and we can go from there.

Bah, we have no use of mulish Mon-Keigh! >.>

...But yeah, I'm going to stick with the "Classic" style of Eldar warfare. Also, I'll post that thread either tonight, tommorow or the day after, and we can go from there.

Hehe TG me a link when you do. Always good to have another Keigh around, we can sit and swop insults and laugh at the lesser species... That and I can send Iyanna to you, to try and convince you to accept some of our expansions as to what classes as Keigh these days.

As for cannon Fodder Mon-Keigh, remember this every Mon-Keigh you can convince o take up arms at your side, and die for you, is one less Keigh that had to die in his place. If a Thousend Mon-Keigh must die to save one Keigh's life then the deal was a bargain ;)

Oh and Eldar language guide (http://www.teuton.org/~stranger/ELDAR/) It's far from complete and is a few years old now, but it does have many a word to use. where it falls down it at least gives you clues as to what might be suitable in it's place. I use it a lot.

Hehe TG me a link when you do. Always good to have another Keigh around, we can sit and swop insults and laugh at the lesser species... That and I can send Iyanna to you, to try and convince you to accept some of our expansions as to what classes as Keigh these days.

As for cannon Fodder Mon-Keigh, remember this every Mon-Keigh you can convince o take up arms at your side, and die for you, is one less Keigh that had to die in his place. If a Thousend Mon-Keigh must die to save one Keigh's life then the deal was a bargain ;)

Remind me not to ask you a question, or offer you mercenaries without sopme kind of serious down payment. Like the souls of a generation of your firstborn children or something similar. The Terrans would make wonderful cannon fodder, if you'd pay us enough, and be less willing to get us all killed.

Remind me not to ask you a question, or offer you mercenaries without sopme kind of serious down payment. Like the souls of a generation of your firstborn children or something similar. The Terrans would make wonderful cannon fodder, if you'd pay us enough, and be less willing to get us all killed.

Note; you're not expected to know when you're being their pawns. By the time you realise it, your Terrans are already dead. Such are the wonders of inferior beings ;)

Note; you're not expected to know when you're being their pawns. By the time you realise it, your Terrans are already dead. Such are the wonders of inferior beings ;)

But we're sexy, and better looking than the other Mon-Kiegh. And we have the guns that makes the peoples fall down.

But we're sexy, and better looking than the other Mon-Kiegh. And we have the guns that makes the peoples fall down.

Nah, you're too generic. And theres ALWAYS a bigger gun :P

Nah, you're too generic. And theres ALWAYS a bigger gun :P

I'm not generic enough you mean. And there's only a bigger gun if you're seriously massive.*coughspacemarinescough* or a spaceship. Or a tank. Well, no, my tanks have pretty big guns, but other than that...