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Thank you HT, and besides, I'm more than confident that we can take you all ;)

Oh, I'll be sure to disabuse you of that. ^_^

Oh, I'll be sure to disabuse you of that. ^_^

You can try. And you shall fail old friend ;)

If you were Chron, I'd be inclined to believe you. Luckily for me, you're not. ^_^

OOC: Hmmm.... Interesting to see what TAP thinks, isn't it? After all, you were perfectly happy to dogpile him before CW and I came along. I'm sorry to say, little man, but you don't have control over who's in and who's out of an invasion. Post #15, anybody? Wanderjar, MB, you, and 1010102? Let me put it this way. If TAP wants to go one-on-one, he's more than welcome to do so, and I'll be happily on my way.

Until then, quit yer bitchin.

Oh, and so that we can stop this annoying little OOC dialogue, here's the thread.
I'm gettin' sick of you. You have no reason, whatsoever, to join. You not affliated with any groups, any players, you just seem to just pop in and piss me off. You're so self-righteous, just like my wrestling coach. I hate him, and I hate you.

Stay out. I know I have no control over who does, and doesn't get involved. It is a suggestion, that, although repeated in a much more forceful way, that I believe came from CW. It's 1010102's and TAP's war. And, if I do continue posting, which I probably won't, I will ignore you. I will ignore all damage from you. I will ignore all posts from you. I will ignore you in any other thread. I will ignore you, because all you have shown me is that you are a self-righteous basterd. If you can show me, prove to me in some way, that you are not actually as pretentious and bastardy as you seem to make your-self out as, then I will gladly RP with you. I will fight you to the ends of the Multiverse. But, seeing as how all you'e shown me is that you cannot go two posts without insulting some one, then I will loathe you.

And don't call me little men because A) I'm 5'10, and B) It makes you sound even more pretentious then you already do. I was also perfectly happy to fight even after CW, TLO, NN, and SoT had joined him. But now, it would be six on three. Not to mention that most of us are wankers. You have double our numbers, and with you, about five times our wankery.

I'm gettin' sick of you. You have no reason, whatsoever, to join. You not affliated with any groups, any players, you just seem to just pop in and piss me off. You're so self-righteous, just like my wrestling coach. I hate him, and I hate you.

Wow. There's some strong emotions right there. And I think you're blurring the line between self-righteous, and 'bored with noobs pulling shit out of 200 different dimensions, and then proclaiming their superiority to one and all'. Although, I'm glad to know that you told me about your wrestling coach. After all, it's completely relevent to the discussion at hand, right?

And the thing is, I am affiliated with groups and players - Wanderjar, Coreworlds.. both in this war, funnily enough. And I'll think that you'll find that I have IC justification for doing this - as I always do. I'm not joining for shits and giggles. I'm joining because, despite the wankery that is so often displayed, with CW and SoT in here, it does have the capacity to be a good RP. Maybe brothers-in-arms will weep over one another's losses. Maybe new heroes will arise, showing character above the rest, weaving a brilliant storyline.



It's 1010102's and TAP's war. And, if I do continue posting, which I probably won't, I will ignore you. I will ignore all damage from you. I will ignore all posts from you. I will ignore you in any other thread.

Congratulations. You can now work the ignore. Although most people generally have reasons beyond 'I DUN LIEK YOU!' to use it, that's fair enough. I accept your right to ignore who you wish.

I will ignore, because all you have shown me is that you are a self-righteous basterd. If you can show me, prove to me in some way, that you are not actually as pretentious and bastardy as you seem to make your-self out as, then I will gladly RP with you.

Y'know, this is coming from someone who launched a whole lot of vitriol at Chron the first time he entered NS. And that was because he suggested things like grammar - and less of.. what you call technology.

I don't have to prove myself, luckily enough. There are plenty of great writers who already RP with me, and keep a lot of my RPing time occupied. but, as I said, you can ignore who you like. It doesn't particularly bother me.

I will fight you to the ends of the Multiverse. But, seeing as how all you'e shown me is that you cannot go two posts without insulting some one, then I will loathe you.

So? What you're saying here is based on the presupposition that I care. This is the internet. If you loathe someone because they're mean to you on the internet... I shudder to think of just how touchy you'd have to be in real life.

And you'd be surprised. The people I tend to insult are the people who are insulting themselves. Not the people who return courtesies, listen, and refrain from hypocrisy.

And don't call me little men because A) I'm 5'10, and B) It makes you sound even more pretentious then you already do.

A) There is more than one kind of littleness. But I am happy to hear that you're fairly tall. It's always nice to hear positive things about people.
B) Good, you're forming your own opinions! I'm ever so happy for you.

I was also perfectly happy to fight even after CW, TLO, NN, and SoT had joined him. But now, it would be six on three. Not to mention that most of us are wankers.

So? You were happy, in the previous war, and, at the start of this one, to outnumber him significantly. As I said. TAP was willing to accept shitty odds. If you want to complain about six on three, go ahead. I'll be right over in the old thread, seeing how you measure up against TAP.

You have double our numbers, and with you, about five times our wankery.

Awwww.... calling me a wanker, now, eh? Oh, don't worry. I can take it. I'm a big boy, after all.

So, Wanderjar, do you think we should get a mod to decide wether is should be just 1010102's and TAP's war, or do you think those two can decide? Did I spell "wether" wrong? How do you spell it anyway?

So, Wanderjar, do you think we should get a mod to decide wether is should be just 1010102's and TAP's war, or do you think those two can decide? Did I spell "wether" wrong? How do you spell it anyway?

I think that the mods would laugh at you, and tell you to go away. They don't, and, never will, police RP. And you spelled whether wrong. It's spelled whether. You also spelled "it's" wrong. There's supposded to be a T in there. And an appostrophe, since I'm assuming that is supposed to be "it is" instead of "its" possessive, or just is, which makes no sense. Yes, I am an asshole, no, I don't care.

And for your information, Grunts, TAP contacted me for assistance against a known foe (ie, 1010102) who also happens to be an enemy of Coreworlds, especially after the cancelled Mationbuds invasion. To not come to his aid when called would be seen as a lack of trust in me, which would be very bad diplomatically and politically as I'm a major goody-two-shoes around here.

So ignore me if you want, I don't really give a rat's ass so long as I can defend my ally against our major enemies.

I think that the mods would laugh at you, and tell you to go away. They don't, and, never will, police RP. And you spelled whether wrong. It's spelled whether. You also spelled "it's" wrong. There's supposded to be a T in there. And an appostrophe, since I'm assuming that is supposed to be "it is" instead of "its" possessive, or just is, which makes no sense. Yes, I am an asshole, no, I don't care.

QFT all over this.
MM's right, it's up to the players to decide on their own terms.
Look, if you can ignore HT, GAE, than TAP has the right and justifiability to also ignore you.
Be careful, it's a two-edged sword.
In addition, I contacted TAP about getting involved agaisnt 1010102 (I've assisted TAP before against him), and then asked SoT, a long-time RPer with me, to join my own forces. SoT and I have done this quite a few times. Plenty of will right there.
And I'd watch who you call wanker.

Hey, CW/Tap/HS/etc... would y'all be needing me to jump in if necessary? Allies with CW and Hyperspatial Travel, and the Godulans would jump at the chance to smish some Imperials with liberal amounts of malice and forethought.

Just askin' though. I won't show up if ya think I'd make it unsporting :p

If I am needed, you can also call upon me. I am allied with HT through more than one way and I am also allied with CW, especially if he uses his Thrid Fleet in the operation.

Guys! This is a fucking Game! Chill out. :mad:



HT: I don't want to fight you. Last time I checked, we were allies.

Everyone else (not TPA members): I have no problem with you all supporting TAP. Thats what allies are supposed to do. If you were my ally, I'd expect it. However, I do agree with GAE in the sense that some of you do appear to believe yourselves gods merely do to your national age. Fight me on the ground: I assure you, you will lose. Maybe not in space, I have no Naval experiance, but the ground is my territory.

I don't assume myself to be a god just cuz of my national age. The Godulans are just the type that have a distinct preference towards completely annihilating any military forces with an imperial logo anywhere near them.

And dun be so sure about the fighting on the ground bit... hee... hee... hee...

Admittedly the full impact of what would happen would be somewhat lessened by several dozen other people posting at a time, but hey. I'm also kind of curious as to how my forces would operate under their new... outlook.

...I really don't have any allies, apart from the ESUS. As the Realm, perhaps. As the Maker-Mind? I'll happily stab you in the back if you have the poor foresight to turn around. But, in essence, if Godular and Bal want to come in, I'll even give GAE a bit of his respect back, and leave the thread. After all, they have far more reason to smash Imperials than I do. And I wouldn't want to see this overly marred by ignores.

Oh, and we don't believe ourselves gods. We're merely annoyed when others, (Crystals from dimension 112-A-S-S S-P-A-C-E, that can resist 20,000 degrees of heat, anyone?) do so, and disregard our experience entirely. We don't expect you to fall down and worship us, but we do expect a bit of respect, for both our experience and age.

And I think, you'll find, given that, most, if not all of us, are willing to return it in kind.

Guys! This is a fucking Game! Chill out. :mad:



HT: I don't want to fight you. Last time I checked, we were allies.

Everyone else (not TPA members): I have no problem with you all supporting TAP. Thats what allies are supposed to do. If you were my ally, I'd expect it. However, I do agree with GAE in the sense that some of you do appear to believe yourselves gods merely do to your national age. Fight me on the ground: I assure you, you will lose. Maybe not in space, I have no Naval experiance, but the ground is my territory.

At the last part:

The O RLY owl says: O RLY?

Not if you use AT-ATs.

Could GruntsandElites be a doll and search his subscriptions for the event which HT described involving me?

We really want to see it, and all need a laugh

At the last part:

The O RLY owl says: O RLY?

Not if you use AT-ATs.

I've never used them before. I've suggested that I have them in previous RPs, but never used them.



I'm an infantry man meself. ;)



@HT: As far as respect due to your age: Never. I am incapable of that. I give respect to those who have earned it. Since I have known you for months now, and happen to like you, yeah, you've earned my respect. But I never give respect without a deed I deem worthy (i.e, being cool with me, having a good RP with me, etc)

Just do to age? I don't work that way.

I've never used them before. I've suggested that I have them in previous RPs, but never used them.



I'm an infantry man meself. ;)



@HT: As far as respect due to your age: Never. I am incapable of that. I give respect to those who have earned it. Since I have known you for months now, and happen to like you, yeah, you've earned my respect. But I never give respect without a deed I deem worthy (i.e, being cool with me, having a good RP with me, etc)

Just do to age? I don't work that way.

Of course, age does have its part to play. Most nations do actually mature as they play the game longer (Subjective, of course. We still have Hataria's and Sephrioths.).

I respect ability, but I won't not RP with a person because of his age.

I try my best, resoundingly, to ignore no one. No matter how they might annoy me.

Of course, age does have its part to play. Most nations do actually mature as they play the game longer (Subjective, of course. We still have Hataria's and Sephrioths.).

I respect ability, but I won't not RP with a person because of his age.

I try my best, resoundingly, to ignore no one. No matter how they might annoy me.

As do I.


And I have the utmost respect for you, as with HT, because you've been cool with me for many months now.


(And I hope to god you all deem me more mature than Hataria)

As do I.


And I have the utmost respect for you, as with HT, because you've been cool with me for many months now.


(And I hope to god you all deem me more mature than Hataria)

I don't think ANYONE is as bad as Hataria.

Hey, CW/Tap/HS/etc... would y'all be needing me to jump in if necessary? Allies with CW and Hyperspatial Travel, and the Godulans would jump at the chance to smish some Imperials with liberal amounts of malice and forethought.

Just askin' though. I won't show up if ya think I'd make it unsporting :p

I've met you before. I'm sure of it. Damn, what was that...... Oh, was it the Toop-1010102 War thread, ya know, the one where you joined, and then it died. Just like when HT joined, and the thread died. There seems to be a comman theme there. No, you wheren't from the Toop-1010102 war. Where you? Damn, I feel like an old guy.

About the age thing, I mean, I, personally, will RP with anyone, as long as they don't wank too much, as I am a wanker myself, though what people don't realize about my stuff is that it all has weaknesses, that if you exploit, they will lead to the virtual destruction of my fleet. I will NOT tell you. You have to guess it. I believe SoT is on the right track. Also, don't butt in in the middle of an RP. It invariably leads to arguements and such. That has happened to me quite a few times.

Bit of a jump to suggest that someone joining is the reason for the RP dying. Theres as much chance of a thread getting zerged by n00blets as there is it getting wtfpwned into submission by the faintest hinting of a big nation.

This thread is a key example of how complex alliance systems, much as in the World Wars, create quagmireish cluster fucks :D

NB: Telling people how to join an RP is usually a bad idea. If its open, its open. Admittedly this was closed and got out of hand, but regardless. Unless your the thread starter its an idea to keep an open mind.

Also, branding yourself "a wanker with weaknesses" isn't the best way to set out since people will point out the fact that you wank repeatedly and thus cannot be trusted. Rather, be defeatable in any circumstance and let your strengths and weaknesses evolve naturally. For example, my strengths are armour, weapons and logistics, while my failings are (In larger ships) speed, and an unwieldy FTL system, coupled with the fact (Which I don't see as a weakness) that I have slave gangs running around loading and reloading guns, which paces my shots and makes for awesomeness...

Firstly, I have to agree with Chron's statement. I shouldn't have to figure out how to beat your forces. This isn't a Nancy Drew book. It's freeform roleplay.
Sure, strengths and weaknesses are another thing entirely.

Let me put it this way. My forces are short-ranged, weak, poorly co-ordinated, are completely boned if they spend too much time in an FTLi field, are fragile, and break apart at the touch of a mass-driver shell. On the flip side, they're numerous as all hell, they can be replenished easily, and they jump around like jackasses constantly on the battlefield. You don't need to study them carefully to discover my Achilles Heel.

But I digress. The Toops/1010102 thread was where you met Godular, his Externals, and his amusement at your statement that threads like that didn't need, y'know, description, or grammar, or anything like that.

In any case. I think I'll leave my former offer open to Godular. My reasons for being in this thread are a lot less solid than his are (I'm there because I'm insane and capricious. He's there because he likes killin' dem Imperials), and clagging up the thread with both of us would most likely send you into some sort of apoplexy, GAE.

That was a long time ago.....

And why shouldn't you have to find my weaknesses? This is supposed to be a simulation of actual nations, and any actual nation would never reveal their weaknesses. And pay attention to what I said. "SoT is on the right track." Talk to him. Use your imagination.

And actually, people joining threads and because of them, the thread dies, that has happened quite frequently to me. When I joined. Hehehe.

Also, HT, about your earlier comment: I have just as much experience as you. We both started our nations in November 2003. Or did I start mine in 2004? Damn, I'll have to check.

So because your entry has killed threads that means anyone entering a thread will kill it? Oi, I think thats a disprovable hypothesis right there. The point is, that weaknesses and strengths develop over time. You don't just go "My tech is unbeatable wank! Except for....Something. I'm not going to tell you. You can figure it out for yourselves. So, I'll wait over here while you debate and ostracise. Gotcha"

My weaknesses speak for themselves, but I regard myself as having no weaknesses. The Chosen of the Gods know not weakness or shortcoming. We're perfect in every way :P

I'd honestly have to say that HT has been here and active for much longer than you, hence why he's....oh 4 billion larger than ya

Actually, my population and supposed "date of entry" are because for about two years, I never played Nationstates. My population stalled at about 500 million for two years. I restarted it after awhile.

No, no. I'm saying that when certain people with certain attitudes go into certain threads with people who have not-so-assholish-attitudes, threads stop.

My weaknesses are not going to be appearent, they shouldn't have to be. And I will keep saying this: SoT is on the right track. Talk to SoT (Sons of Tarsonis.) Seriously. If you find out my weakness, you'll cripple my fleet. Really. My weakness is so utterly devastating that I will have to retreat to my worlds (only one of which are located in this dimension). I will have to destroy the one in this dimension until I can rebuild my fleets with better stuff. So think. Use your imagination.

So, you didn't play for two years. Thus, if you started in November '03, you'll have been here for about a year. My point about experience still stands.

My weaknesses are not going to be appearent, they shouldn't have to be.

Logic says that, in battle, you'll discover these weaknesses. Whether they be kinetic weaponry, relatavistic shotgun-projectiles, or thumbing your nose rudely at the enemy, people are going to experiment. They may not be transparent, but they shouldn't require a pair of youthful crime-solving detective brothers to discover.

And I will keep saying this: SoT is on the right track. Talk to SoT (Sons of Tarsonis.)

And I will keep saying this. This is Nationstates, not a Nancy Drew novel.

Seriously. If you find out my weakness, you'll cripple my fleet. Really. My weakness is so utterly devastating that I will have to retreat to my worlds (only one of which are located in this dimension)

So your weakness is so devastating that you'll have to abandon one world, and retreat. You fool! Why would you give us the oppurtunity to let us do such a powerful thing to you as force you to retreat unharmed, to your worlds where you can safely refit your fleet!

If it was a devastating weakness, we'd be seeing your entire fleet crippled, worlds burnt, and your weapons rendered ineffective. Being forced to retreat isn't the kind of penalty I'd imagine to be crippling.

I will have to destroy the one in this dimension until I can rebuild my fleets with better stuff. So think. Use your imagination.

We have. That's why we have nations. If all of your stuff was based off hard science, if every weapon you used could be explained reasonably within the realms of physics, I'd accept having to figure it out. If it followed the laws of physics no matter what, I'd take the time to understand the mechanism behind your weaponry, and then read up on such things, in order to counter your weaponry. If you're willing to pour effort into your weaponry to make it fun to discover things about, I'll willingly try and discover them.

As it is, you just use stupidly pumped-up dimensional technology, and spam the word 'positronic' without having any idea of what it entails.

And I will keep saying this. This is Nationstates, not a Nancy Drew novel.

wait. it isn't? damn i'm on the wrong site.

Actually, my population and supposed "date of entry" are because for about two years, I never played Nationstates. My population stalled at about 500 million for two years. I restarted it after awhile.

No, no. I'm saying that when certain people with certain attitudes go into certain threads with people who have not-so-assholish-attitudes, threads stop.

My weaknesses are not going to be appearent, they shouldn't have to be. And I will keep saying this: SoT is on the right track. Talk to SoT (Sons of Tarsonis.) Seriously. If you find out my weakness, you'll cripple my fleet. Really. My weakness is so utterly devastating that I will have to retreat to my worlds (only one of which are located in this dimension). I will have to destroy the one in this dimension until I can rebuild my fleets with better stuff. So think. Use your imagination.

Or we could just use what works on every other nation, and shoot you till you die alot. And if your ships aren't killed that easily, we'll fall back on the old standby of shooting you alot more until you die once.

And your weaknesses will be apparent, because there are 2 broad classes of weapons in FT, ballistics(missiles, rockets, slugs, shells) and energy(lasers, particle beams, plasma, $dimensional force, chaos magick if that's your thing). You may be highly resistant to one, but the other will logically rape you, or rape your resistance to the first. When that happens, you will then be assfucked by said immunity. And, might I point out that if you are highly resistant to all modes of attack(even my buffest ships have trouble with high powered Grasers and the like), you'll have to be slow as all hell, meaning tat there is no way you'll be anything other than an RKV magnet. Which presents its own problems.

The American Privateer, if you decide to apply for it IC, you are pre-approved for assistance from the Arsenal program (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=507623).

GAE: Be so kind as to recall that the 'Toops-1010102' thread died because Toops just stopped posting with no explanation as to why. With no indication of response to the entrance of my Externals, and for several posts ahead of my entrance, it is wrong of you to lay the blame solely on me.

Admittedly it was not assisted by the big honking argument with Mationbuds over the fact that he was chattering on and on about his fleet firing guns over the course of an hour while I was charging him...

Sitting there like a wailing baby with a building about to fall on top of him... geesh.

HT, stop having fits.

Godular, thanks for reminding me

MM, I really don't care.

My computer must hate you guys, cause whenever I respond to you guys, it gives me an error message.

I have just this to say: If you don't like how I RP, then, just don't RP with me. I try to be nice, but I, I just am getting so sick of you guys, it's not even funny. So, if you don't like how I RP, just don't RP with me. That's really all I have to say. We won't RP with you guys, you guys won't RP with us, and it'll all work out fine. That's all I'm saying on the matter. I'm not talking about it any more.

My computer must hate you guys, cause whenever I respond to you guys, it gives me an error message.

Or maybe it's trying to tell you something about the posts you're writing.


I have just this to say: If you don't like how I RP, then, just don't RP with me. I try to be nice

Hey, so do I! Oh, wait. Trying and succeeding are two different things. You have the argumentation skills of SQ, which amount to saying 'I don't care', or 'go away', whenever you can't come up with a coherent answer to a good argument.

I've never cared about 'nice'. This is the internet. No-one's going to cry if they feel a bit offended over an online forum. Don't flame, and no-one will care whether you're abrasive as MM, or as soft-spoken and friendly as Xanthal.

The simple matter of the fact is that, if you wank, we can call you out on it. Sure, you can ignore us for that. Hell, I'm pretty sure, as you said earlier, I already am. I'm sure no-one here would be unhappy to see you retreat to your cadre of nooblets who make up a hundredth of FT, and just slog out ten-word posts with them.

Oh, and we're not required to respond to your defensive maneuvers in the IC thread. Y'know, seeing as we're not in orbit around your worlds, or in your systems. Once you start doing something we have the ability to know about, and respond to, we'll start responding.

HT, stop having fits.

Godular, thanks for reminding me

MM, I really don't care.

My computer must hate you guys, cause whenever I respond to you guys, it gives me an error message.

I have just this to say: If you don't like how I RP, then, just don't RP with me. I try to be nice, but I, I just am getting so sick of you guys, it's not even funny. So, if you don't like how I RP, just don't RP with me. That's really all I have to say. We won't RP with you guys, you guys won't RP with us, and it'll all work out fine. That's all I'm saying on the matter. I'm not talking about it any more.

I do hate to ignore anyone, anyone at all. It should be noted that I tried with SQ, I tried with MB and I find 010102 rather pleasing in that he at least has some promise. You don't have to ostracize yourself from FT. I'm sure everyone here would rather you just listened. Its nothing to do with how you RP, its to do with you taking into account the general etiquette of NS and how things are done.

No one wants to sit around and watch people sling ten word posts at each other. They want story, action, character development, story building. If you just listened and stopped being so arrogant in the face of everything, you might learn something from people who've been here alot longer and defined the RP environment more than most.

I used to be just like you, a little fish with delusions of grandeur, but I listened. (Like when C'tan told me no I couldn't have a Blackstone ;) :P) My first wars were for Sith against TFU and from my involvement in the arcs that comprise the Sith Wars, I've grown in stature and gained respect. Now I have no delusions as to my might or grandeur ;)

My point is, listen and people will be more inclined to listen to you.

I do hate to ignore anyone, anyone at all. It should be noted that I tried with SQ, I tried with MB and I find 010102 rather pleasing in that he at least has some promise. You don't have to ostracize yourself from FT. I'm sure everyone here would rather you just listened. Its nothing to do with how you RP, its to do with you taking into account the general etiquette of NS and how things are done.

I will listen when they say something when a way that doesn't make them seem like an asshole.. And, I will listen when some one actually doesn't insult me. Like, right now. You're not insulting me. I'll listen to you. BUT, I am not going to remake my nation, just because a few people don't like the way I have it. They complained about SoT; he had reasons for doing stuff, and so do I. He didn't change his nation.

No one wants to sit around and watch people sling ten word posts at each other. They want story, action, character development, story building. If you just listened and stopped being so arrogant in the face of everything, you might learn something from people who've been here alot longer and defined the RP environment more than most.

Yes, I like that too, but it's harder for me to do that. My army is made of sub-living, things (what they hell are Phyrexians anyway?), and my navy is made of robots. It's kind of hard to do character developments with robots, and, uh, things. And when I do bring actual characters into play, people complain.

And, don't even call ME arrogant, when you believe that you, and MM, and Godular, and especially HT, aren't arrogant. Having an older nation than me doesn't make you better. Participating in threads that have done stuff to nations doesn't make you better. It justs makes you more experienced. And more experienced doesn't make you better either. It just makes you more able to understand the going ons, and the why is whatever happening. And, it definitely doesn't qualify you to insult some one who RPs different than you.

Not everyone RPs the same. I mean, why can't some people RP as nations that are bigger than the one that pops up when you log on? Is it because it is stupid? Or is it because people like you, who when you RP with them, insult s them, and tells them to change their nation? Being more experienced doesn't mean shit.

I used to be just like you, a little fish with delusions of grandeur, but I listened. (Like when C'tan told me no I couldn't have a Blackstone ;) :P) My first wars were for Sith against TFU and from my involvement in the arcs that comprise the Sith Wars, I've grown in stature and gained respect. Now I have no delusions as to my might or grandeur ;)

I am not delusional. At least not right now. I think.

My point is, listen and people will be more inclined to listen to you.

I do listen, when there is something to listen to. But, when I first met HT, I tried to have some fun, make a joke, and he just started spouting insults at me. That's why I don't listen to him; I don't believe he has anything worth saying. That's why I don't listen to those other people: because they just spout insults, and tell me to completely change my nation.

And, you know, I'll take their attitude. Fuck you all. There's no way in hell, you guys are gonna make me change my nation. I like it the way it is. I mean, really, what are you gonna do, huh? Insult me? Fine, I really don't care. I just think people should be nicer to each other. You gonna, IGNORE me? THANK GOD! I hope you do that. I really, really, hope you do. And, we'll never have to RP with each other! What else are you gonna do? Report me to the mods? I haven't broken any rules, so they can't do anything. Well, they can, actually, but, I hadn't done anything wrong, so, then, long and complicated stuff will happen. I really don't want to describe it.




Or maybe it's trying to tell you something about the posts you're writing.

Probably that they're too long. Yeah. Definitely.

Hey, so do I! Oh, wait. Trying and succeeding are two different things. You have the argumentation skills of SQ, which amount to saying 'I don't care', or 'go away', whenever you can't come up with a coherent answer to a good argument.

You guys just use insults. "Well, since you did something I can't answer too, I'll just insult you." That's what most of you guys are like. In fact, most everyone here is like that. Damn. I never really noticed that before.

I've never cared about 'nice'. This is the internet. No-one's going to cry if they feel a bit offended over an online forum. Don't flame, and no-one will care whether you're abrasive as MM, or as soft-spoken and friendly as Xanthal. Don't, don't flame? Oh my FUCKING God. I cannot believe you just said that. 'Don't flame'.

The simple matter of the fact is that, if you wank, we can call you out on it. Sure, you can ignore us for that. Hell, I'm pretty sure, as you said earlier, I already am. I'm sure no-one here would be unhappy to see you retreat to your cadre of nooblets who make up a hundredth of FT, and just slog out ten-word posts with them.

Go ahead. What are the consequences? As you said, this IS the internet. Now, if I have to, I am willing to change some, just some, aspects of my nation. If I HAVE to change my ships, I will. I like this forum. That's why I play on it.

Didn't you say "don't flame"? Follow your own goddamn rules.

Oh, and we're not required to respond to your defensive maneuvers in the IC thread. Y'know, seeing as we're not in orbit around your worlds, or in your systems. Once you start doing something we have the ability to know about, and respond to, we'll start responding. Whatever. What I want, is for you guys to do your preperations and shit. That's all I want.

And, you know, just to settle this arguement, I'll say my weaknesses. Ok? If I say them, will all of you stop bitching, and get on with the RP? Will you please?

Okay, here are my weaknesses:

1) Energy drainers. The armor on my ships, once drained of energy, crumple in and themselves and would destroy my ships.

2) Blocking power coming in from other dimensions. Right now, only SoT can do that.

3)Viruses. I use ROBOTS, which are basically, big, fancy computers. Virus>computers.

There. Are your egos satisfied? You couldn't figure out my weaknesses in one battle, so you complain? Your fucking egos, are getting in the way of you guys actually thinking, and using your fucking imagination. Big, fucking deal if you've been on here for THREE YEARS! Whoop-de-fucking-do! Who cares if you write in florid prose or use simple posts. I don't. As long as the posts make sense. Really? I mean, not every response to every post can be a short story.

You guys insult me (big deal. Your opinions don't matter to me), and say that every post should take fourteen thousands gigabytes of data, but they shouldn't! I mean, yeah, you should always have a few, long, descriptive posts, but most shouldn't be. Not even half. An eighth to a fourth should be like that. You don't have to write a three thousand word post to "The ships fired missiles at your navy."

You mistake advice for orders and become quite uncouth in the face of hearing thigns you clearly don't wish to be told. You can't have a nation larger than when you log on, because *shock horror* thats the population the game has given you. The forums are nothing without the baseline statistics of nationstates game and the various offshoots thereof (Such as economy generators, etc)

Character development is something that defines your nations, it makes them interesting to actually get involved with. Just because you have robots doesn't mean they need to be dry and uninvolving, look at AI's like Cortana in Halo, or Andromeda in Andromeda. Hell, even Droids can be interesting. Using what you've created as a basis for your lack of development is something that should be evident that you yourself can change and fix.

I try my best to accept everyone, you on the other hand seem content to dwell with your gaggle of noobs and newbs, eschewing the larger NS as arrogant bullies who want to make you change. The fact is that being part of a community means cooperating and compromising, it means working for a common good rather than playing by your own rules.

I'm not going to insult you, you do enough of a job of paving the path before you with an unsavoury reputation than any childish display of mockery I could conjure. I'm not going to ignore you, because I'm not in the habit of ignoring anyone. I'm not going to report you to the mods, because I have no reason to.

You say you don't need a whole host of words to say "the ship fired missiles." The point of RPing, of storytelling in general is to take bare bones and flesh it out into something that people are astounded by, something that people will enjoy.

Now, are you willing to at least consider being civil? Or are you going to post another tirade?

*walks into the room and stumbles upon the conversation*

Ah, yet another one; eh Chron?

Hello there Grunt. I've been reading through this thread quite carefully and as far as I can tell, no one has been that insulting to you. All anyone has done is show you your faults and give you advice on how you can change that, so you become a better role player and member of NS.

Of course its easy to just press the "IGNORE" button on everything they and I are saying. However does that change anything? No. You'll be stuck in an endless cycle of self proclaimed martyrdom where you are the innocent victim being bullied by the old guard of FT. No one wants to deal with that. The last guy who did that got his planet turned to a ball of glass and had the victors building casinos on it.

As Amazonian Beasts said, its a double-edged sword when it comes to the thin line you're walking.

If anyone should talk about unfairness of an rp, it would be me when I had to lose my home system, more than half my entire collection of fleets, two prized flagships, and a lot more besides against a very big and angry Death Star. Yet did I say "hey that's not fair" or "I'm ignoring you", etc? No. Its part of role play. Just like Chronosia said: you have to give a little to get a little (ie compromise).

And like everyone has been saying, mentioning the name "Hataria" (shivers), about your stance here: just listen. Pride in this matter is a negative not a plus in this equation.

About the age thing, I mean, I, personally, will RP with anyone, as long as they don't wank too much, as I am a wanker myself, though what people don't realize about my stuff is that it all has weaknesses, that if you exploit, they will lead to the virtual destruction of my fleet. I will NOT tell you. You have to guess it. I believe SoT is on the right track. Also, don't butt in in the middle of an RP. It invariably leads to arguements and such. That has happened to me quite a few times.

And, upon this note, I have to point something out that everyone has weaknesses. And you do have to point them out sometimes. I use SW tech mostly and everyone knows most of the weaknesses of that tech. However they also respect the power that tech holds. The same goes for how I consider Chron's 40k tech and Godular's Bastard tech. Its a mutual agreement of sorts to realize that tech is not about NS or that NS is about tech.

Tech is merely a tool for creating story. Its more interesting to say that "my Imperial Star Destroyer just went ass over head into a nebula" than to say "my space ship ran into a nebula". Get what I mean?


Actually, my population and supposed "date of entry" are because for about two years, I never played Nationstates. My population stalled at about 500 million for two years. I restarted it after awhile.

Below you name it says June 2005. That means you entered NS in the month of june...in the year 2005. It is now 2006, nearly 2007. That means you've been on NS for about a year and 3/4s. Thats not 2 years. No matter what you say about your nation being some ancient race that has billions of life forms or that you were really here for longer...doesn't matter. You are judge according to what that date, under your name, says.



In ending, before I step off my soap box, I merely say that I have hope for you. You seem to be a bright if simply too proud and misguided a young man. If there is one thing you need to do, to improve yourself, is to open your ears, swallow that big pride of yours, and actually listen to what older members are telling you. They are actually trying to help you. Not ridicule you. Hopefully you will heed my words.

You mistake advice for orders and become quite uncouth in the face of hearing thigns you clearly don't wish to be told. You can't have a nation larger than when you log on, because *shock horror* thats the population the game has given you. The forums are nothing without the baseline statistics of nationstates game and the various offshoots thereof (Such as economy generators, etc)
No, I mistake orders for orders. There was no advice about it. Now saying "You should chang blank, blank blank" is advice. No of you have done that.


Character development is something that defines your nations, it makes them interesting to actually get involved with. Just because you have robots doesn't mean they need to be dry and uninvolving, look at AI's like Cortana in Halo, or Andromeda in Andromeda. Hell, even Droids can be interesting. Using what you've created as a basis for your lack of development is something that should be evident that you yourself can change and fix. I suppose your right. *Sighs*

I try my best to accept everyone, you on the other hand seem content to dwell with your gaggle of noobs and newbs, eschewing the larger NS as arrogant bullies who want to make you change. The fact is that being part of a community means cooperating and compromising, it means working for a common good rather than playing by your own rules.

There's a difference between trying and succedding. And, I don't eschew larger NSers for being bullies, I eschew bullies for being bullies. If the only way you think you can get me to change is to insult me, than you are a bully. And, also, when people "compromise" it doesn't mean the smaller person doesn't do what the bigger person wants, it means work something out, something that both parties are happy with. I am willing to compromise and cooperate, but I will not, be forced, to change my nation, just because you think I should. Now, if you were to say, "If you changed this, I think everyone would be happier."

I'm not going to insult you, you do enough of a job of paving the path before you with an unsavoury reputation than any childish display of mockery I could conjure.

Thank you, you are very polite. /sarcasm. And remember, this is the internet. And, the only reason I have an "unsavory reputation" is because of you guys! If you, Godular, HT, and whatever his name is hadn't interfered, we would have been able to work out whatever problem we had. But you guys interfered and screwed it up. So please, just stop it.

Also, you already have insulted me. So there was really no point to saying that.


I'm not going to ignore you, because I'm not in the habit of ignoring anyone. I'm not going to report you to the mods, because I have no reason to.

Well, good. Than, if we have no problem, which we obviously do (have a problem), then stop, whining. Please. I mean, if you want me to change, say "You should change this, this and this". That is one of the points of advice. It is optional. You can take it or leave it.

You say you don't need a whole host of words to say "the ship fired missiles." The point of RPing, of storytelling in general is to take bare bones and flesh it out into something that people are astounded by, something that people will enjoy. What people? Really? I don't care if you hate my RPs or if you love them. I really, just don't. Rping is for having fun with friends (which, we obviously aren't), so it shouldn't matter. I do recognize that long descriptive posts are good, but you shouldn't have to write a frickin story for every post!

And, it's a lot easier for guys like you, who use stuff from other games, or books. Who have the descriptions to look at. I have to make mine up. Do you realize how hard it is to make a ship that doesn't look dorky? You probably don't.


Now, are you willing to at least consider being civil? Or are you going to post another tirade? I am being civil. But, to humor you, I'll act just like you want me to. I'll do everything you want. Should I surrender my ships to you? Bomb my worlds, destroy my nation? If you want me too, I should, because you are obviously so much better and more experienced that I am.

And also, I recognize the good intent in your words, it's the way you display them that makes me not want to do it. You haven't asked me to compromise, you haven't asked me cooperate, you have merely told to do stuff. If you would ask (that's your part of the compromise. Sacrificing a bit of your ego) than I would be happy to change my nation (that's my part of the compromise). But, since not ONE of you asked asked me, just told me to do stuff, I haven't done anything. Just ask. Sacrifice a bit of your ego to ask someone with less experience to do something.

And, would you please ask HT to be civil, because I know he is going to be ticked.

it would be me when I had to lose my home system, more than half my entire collection of fleets, two prized flagships, and a lot more besides against a very big and angry Death Star.

Actually, seeing as I was the one doing the destroying, you lost them against a not particularly big and rather timid transport full of WMDs ramming your homeworld... ;)

Thank you, you are very polite. /sarcasm. And remember, this is the internet. And, the only reason I have an "unsavory reputation" is because of you guys! If you, Godular, HT, and whatever his name is hadn't interfered, we would have been able to work out whatever problem we had. But you guys interfered and screwed it up. So please, just stop it.

Also, you already have insulted me. So there was really no point to saying that.


Your faults are entirely your own. You won't escape them by simply blaming their cause upon others. You have an "unsavory reputation" because you act in a manner that underlines that. I myself am not perfect and have apologized many times to players for having been an asshole.

Like I did when I insulted MM on the GFFA boards.

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@ Mini Miehm: *takes hat off* Mini, I really do apologize for that incident. Blame it on drugs or what you like, but I was being an ass and a jerk and a git and bastard, and a whole list of other expletives. If I haven't already does this, then here it is. If I have, then here it is again.
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Do you see how easy it is? I don't have much pride to swallow in admitting that I was wrong, simply because I know I was. Self denial or whatever else you want to call it is no defense either. Just admit it to yourself then to others.

Actually, seeing as I was the one doing the destroying, you lost them against a not particularly big and rather timid transport full of WMDs ramming your homeworld... ;)

*wacks Otagia over the head with a big, big wiffle bat* "Ah, I feel better." ;)

Believe me, if I want you to do something ICly its alot more fun than asking you to try something OOCly. Rping here is about having fun with a community, because like it or not there may very well be people who like or loathe your RPs, who want to enjoy a good story, or be entirely turned off by horrible, terrible, abysmal writing.

Now I'm trying to be nice, I didn't neccesarily screw up this thread. If memory serves my involvement was rather limited, more along the lines of 010102 is now a legitimate part of the military command structure I have overall command of, I ought to help.

Regardless, its clear that you aren't for making any form of compromise as to what we're trying to drum in. So I'll reiterate, you should do everything we've been rabbiting on about, and if not, well, you'll just have a lot less possibility for RP. No skin off my nose, but I do hate to ostracize burgeoning talent. I try to get on with the ones that have potential, in my eyes, like 010102. Hell, even Seaquest had potential.

I just hope you can see past your issues and work towards being a nice, active and jovial member of NS FT :)

*walks into the room and stumbles upon the conversation*

Ah, yet another one; eh Chron?

[QUOTE]Hello there Grunt. I've been reading through this thread quite carefully and as far as I can tell, no one has been that insulting to you. All anyone has done is show you your faults and give you advice on how you can change that, so you become a better role player and member of NS.

Hello.
One of us is delusional. No one most have called me "idiot" (HT), "stupid" (HT), "arrogant" (HT, Chron). I must be insane.

They said it in a way that seemed insulting though. If you want to help some one, say it in a friendly, nice way. Not in an insulting way. They may not have insulted me in words, but the way they presented their

Of course its easy to just press the "IGNORE" button on everything they and I are saying. However does that change anything? No. You'll be stuck in an endless cycle of self proclaimed martyrdom where you are the innocent victim being bullied by the old guard of FT. No one wants to deal with that. The last guy who did that got his planet turned to a ball of glass and had the victors building casinos on it.

I am a martyr? I never said that. I kept saying "HT is insulting me." And he was. That's not a martyr. I'm not trying to "press the ignore button". I'm trying to make you understand my position, even if you don't agree with it.

As Amazonian Beasts said, its a double-edged sword when it comes to the thin line you're walking.

Okay.

If anyone should talk about unfairness of an rp, it would be me when I had to lose my home system, more than half my entire collection of fleets, two prized flagships, and a lot more besides against a very big and angry Death Star. Yet did I say "hey that's not fair" or "I'm ignoring you", etc? No. Its part of role play. Just like Chronosia said: you have to give a little to get a little (ie compromise).

I didn't. I just didn't like the fact that people were jumping in for no reason. I mean, if HT, Godular, and the other person joined in, it would have been at least 7 against 3, with three of the 7 being very big, experienced players. Now, was the person you were RPing against the relatively the same sixe and experience?

And like everyone has been saying, mentioning the name "Hataria" (shivers), about your stance here: just listen. Pride in this matter is a negative not a plus in this equation.

Ok. I get it.

And, upon this note, I have to point something out that everyone has weaknesses. And you do have to point them out sometimes. I use SW tech mostly and everyone knows most of the weaknesses of that tech. However they also respect the power that tech holds. The same goes for how I consider Chron's 40k tech and Godular's Bastard tech. Its a mutual agreement of sorts to realize that tech is not about NS or that NS is about tech.

I never said I didn't. I just challenged people to find them. They wouldn't, so they complained. And, I just revealed them. You may not have noticed though.

Tech is merely a tool for creating story. Its more interesting to say that "my Imperial Star Destroyer just went ass over head into a nebula" than to say "my space ship ran into a nebula". Get what I mean?

I do tech for it's own sake.
I think it's fun creating tech. I have shit I would never use, because people would just scream "GODMOD! GODMOD!"

Below you name it says June 2005. That means you entered NS in the month of june...in the year 2005. It is now 2006, nearly 2007. That means you've been on NS for about a year and 3/4s. Thats not 2 years. No matter what you say about your nation being some ancient race that has billions of life forms or that you were really here for longer...doesn't matter. You are judge according to what that date, under your name, says.

I don't have billions of life forms. I have about 2.5 billion. 500 million humans, about 1.5 billion robots and 500 million Phyrexians. I have to agree with you, really because no matter what I say you're just going to say "That's wrong." So, whatever.

In ending, before I step off my soap box, I merely say that I have hope for you. You seem to be a bright if simply too proud and misguided a young man. If there is one thing you need to do, to improve yourself, is to open your ears, swallow that big pride of yours, and actually listen to what older members are telling you. They are actually trying to help you. Not ridicule you. Hopefully you will heed my words

1)If they are trying to help me, they have to do it in a way that is helpful, not insulting.
2)Older doesn't mean better
3)When two people compromise, it isn't one person loses two things and the other person loses nothing. It means both people lose 1/2 of something to come to and agreement.
4)If I lose my dignity and pride, you should too, by asking. I will do something if you ask, I will not do anything if you command. So, ask me to lose my pride, don't tell me. Compromise. We both lose some of our pride and ego, and I'll change.

*sigh*

This isn't my job: trying to convince you of anything. I'm just restating what everyone else here said. I am not commanding you to do anything. I am asking you to listen. Just because I don't use the word doesn't mean that I am commanding you to do so.

Just get over it, is all I can say. You just said that you'll change if someone asked you. Why not take that self admittance and do it without being asked. That shows far more character and moral fiber, etc, than pouting about how you won't change until someone says "pretty please" to you.

So..."get over yourself?"; "stop being arrogant!"; "listen!"; "learn to compromise!"; I am asking you to do those things. In return, since you say there is an equivalent exchange here (which in the real world and online there are most times not), I will say sorry for having seemed rude and trying to order you around.

Believe me, if I want you to do something ICly its alot more fun than asking you to try something OOCly. Rping here is about having fun with a community, because like it or not there may very well be people who like or loathe your RPs, who want to enjoy a good story, or be entirely turned off by horrible, terrible, abysmal writing.

Now I'm trying to be nice, I didn't neccesarily screw up this thread. If memory serves my involvement was rather limited, more along the lines of 010102 is now a legitimate part of the military command structure I have overall command of, I ought to help.

Regardless, its clear that you aren't for making any form of compromise as to what we're trying to drum in. So I'll reiterate, you should do everything we've been rabbiting on about, and if not, well, you'll just have a lot less possibility for RP. No skin off my nose, but I do hate to ostracize burgeoning talent. I try to get on with the ones that have potential, in my eyes, like 010102. Hell, even Seaquest had potential.

I just hope you can see past your issues and work towards being a nice, active and jovial member of NS FT :)


Ok.
How should I change my nation?
Hmm.
Get rid of Planeswalkers, Positronic Battleships, Phyrexians, Dimensional technology, what else?
Restart nation.
Hmm. I think I shall go as Fufflebumpkins.
Little creatures that look somewhat like the Fuzzles from Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee, excpet pink, and when angry, transform into Mechs.
What else?
How about using rail guns as main weapons. Relatively powerful shields, but slow ships.
Main source of production: Beef.

How does that sound?

So..."get over yourself?"; "stop being arrogant!"; "listen!"; "learn to compromise!"; I am asking you to do those things. In return, since you say there is an equivalent exchange here (which in the real world and online there are most times not), I will say sorry for having seemed rude and trying to order you around.

I just want people to ask me shit, instead of ordering. I get enough of it at home.

Apology accepted.

I am sorry for seeming arrogant, not listening, not willing to compromise, and not getting over myself.

No need to be snide. Perhaps if I apologise as well, since I never intended to force my will upon you, you would instead listen instead of wasting both our times with petty flights of fancy, hm?

I just want people to ask me shit, instead of ordering. I get enough of it at home.

Apology accepted.

I am sorry for seeming arrogant, not listening, not willing to compromise, and not getting over myself.

Good and may that be a lesson to you. Now, why not try that same apology to Chron?

Why is it, that no matter what game I get into, people always find a need to flame? About a game?

Look, GAE, no one is ordering you to change your nation, to bastardize your nation inhabitants and accept bio-engineered slugs as your sentient lifeforms. However, they do want you to simply accept to play along with people.
Look at it this way. If you keep ignoring everyone, no one's going to play with you. Would you simply like to RP with 1010102 forever? That'd get kind of boring, no? The point of other RPers is to actually have competition and to have alternative viewpoints. You've got to accept some of what people say to actually progress anywhere. Change is inevitable, in everything-you can't just have your nation that way it is for eternity, that's likely going to send a message not to RP with you to others. To beat that obstacle, try makign improvements, utlizing ideas, coming with a better whole that appeals to everyone, and you'll find yourself having more fun on these boards too, as an accepted member of NS society.

No need to be snide. Perhaps if I apologise as well, since I never intended to force my will upon you, you would instead listen instead of wasting both our times with petty flights of fancy, hm?

I am sorry for seeming arrogant, not listening, not willing to compromise, and not getting over myself.

And also, I am listening. You wanted me to change. I am.

I actually have many ideas for new nations. A Knight's Templar nation, a nation contained solely within a Dyson Sphere, a nation entirely on one gigantic ship, a nation of one black knight with awesome magic who extends control over the souls of the dead. That sorta stuff.

I am sorry for seeming arrogant, not listening, not willing to compromise, and not getting over myself.

And also, I am listening. You wanted me to change. I am.

I actually have many ideas for new nations. A Knight's Templar nation, a nation contained solely within a Dyson Sphere, a nation entirely on one gigantic ship, a nation of one black knight with awesome magic who extends control over the souls of the dead. That sorta stuff.

All very interesting ideas. Especially since the Knights Templar inspired the Black Templars, enabling you to have groups of militia and hospitaliers and Sword Brethern spread out across rhe galaxy.

And awesome banking, :P

Why is it, that no matter what game I get into, people always find a need to flame? About a game?

Look, GAE, no one is ordering you to change your nation, to bastardize your nation inhabitants and accept bio-engineered slugs as your sentient lifeforms. However, they do want you to simply accept to play along with people.
Look at it this way. If you keep ignoring everyone, no one's going to play with you. Would you simply like to RP with 1010102 forever? That'd get kind of boring, no? The point of other RPers is to actually have competition and to have alternative viewpoints. You've got to accept some of what people say to actually progress anywhere. Change is inevitable, in everything-you can't just have your nation that way it is for eternity, that's likely going to send a message not to RP with you to others. To beat that obstacle, try makign improvements, utlizing ideas, coming with a better whole that appeals to everyone, and you'll find yourself having more fun on these boards too, as an accepted member of NS society.


I never planned on keeping my nation one way. I planned to have it change slowly through RPs, but, since everyone apparently hates it the way it is now, I might as well change it.

Bio-engineered slugs? Hmmm. That'd be funny. Slugs with laser cannons. Haha.

and, about the first comment, I never planned on flaming anyone. It turned into a flame-fest when HT started bitching about my nation, and then Chronosia and Thrashia got involved, so now I am changing my nation to Fufflebumpkins.

And, I actually might. I always thought it would be a good idea. Thousands of little pink fuzzies charging across a plain, with the enemy laughing until the pink fuzzies turn into giant mechs and destroy them. Heheheh.

no offence but that is the most retarded idea i have ver heard. i and i have some prety stupid ideas.

You say that until my Fufflebumpkins rip our enemies to shreds.

If you weren't Imperial, I'd actually offer to sell you some of my 'Insidiously Cute' line of mechanoids.

Vorpal Kittens and Thermonuclear Penguins, sir.

"Slide!" *kablooie*

he's not. I am.

Then I shall replace "If you weren't Imperial" with "If you weren't Imperial-Affiliated"

I never planned on keeping my nation one way. I planned to have it change slowly through RPs, but, since everyone apparently hates it the way it is now, I might as well change it.

Bio-engineered slugs? Hmmm. That'd be funny. Slugs with laser cannons. Haha.

and, about the first comment, I never planned on flaming anyone. It turned into a flame-fest when HT started bitching about my nation, and then Chronosia and Thrashia got involved, so now I am changing my nation to Fufflebumpkins.

And, I actually might. I always thought it would be a good idea. Thousands of little pink fuzzies charging across a plain, with the enemy laughing until the pink fuzzies turn into giant mechs and destroy them. Heheheh.

Except that mechs suck. You fail. Do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars. It's an old and worn argument, and in the end the only Mechs that don't get laughed out of capability are Titans. Simply because they're so damned big.

...damn. Y'see, this is exactly the kind of thing that all the other people I get annoyed at never do. Which is, I suppose, why I get angry at them.

It's really the attitude, not what you RP as. Mationbuds and Unified Sith both use Star Wars technology, Sith, and just about everything from the Star Wars galaxy. One is smug in his self-given superiority, and wanks horrendously, and prefers to put his tech forward over the story, and to hell with what anyone else things, and the other writes a Palpatine who could be directly put into the movies without missing a beat, and brings the Galactic Empire, with all its maneuvering, intrigue, and wonder to NS.

As I recall, the first time you I saw you, you were saying something to the effect of 'fuck you'. To Chron. Upon first impression, you seemed to be a raging n00b. This was really only compounded in that other thread.. no, I digress.

1)If they are trying to help me, they have to do it in a way that is helpful, not insulting.

Most people here aren't here to help people. They're here to enjoy an RP. If they think that telling someone something will aid the quality of the RP, they'll do it.

2)Older doesn't mean better

No, it doesn't. But experience means that people do tend to know more. It's like that with, well, anything. The carpenter who's worked for five years may be less skilled than the carpenter who's only just started, but he's still got five years experience under his belt. Experience does not mean everything, but, by the same measure, it doesn't mean nothing.

One of us is delusional. No one most have called me "idiot" (HT), "stupid" (HT), "arrogant" (HT, Chron). I must be insane.

"asshole", "fuckwit", "fuck off".. sound familiar? We could get into the game of saying 'you called me this', and then have fun playing 'no, he started it', but neither of those games are productive.

I didn't. I just didn't like the fact that people were jumping in for no reason. I mean, if HT, Godular, and the other person joined in, it would have been at least 7 against 3, with three of the 7 being very big, experienced players. Now, was the person you were RPing against the relatively the same sixe and experience?

Ah, yes. Reminds me of that time when I was a nation of a wee five million, and three or four Shivan players jumped in to my only system (on account of the fact that I sent sensor-ships to aid my allies), sent my sun into a state of nova, destroyed my entire fleet and space-faring capabilities, and then calmly hunted down those who managed to escape, leaving me with a bare few thousand survivors. Most of whom then died due to the fact that they couldn't survive off-world.

Being outnumbered is something you have to deal with. And, dealt with in the right way, it's immensely fun. You only lose if you refuse to lose, in RP.

I never planned on keeping my nation one way. I planned to have it change slowly through RPs, but, since everyone apparently hates it the way it is now, I might as well change it.

Hating a nation for what it is doesn't tend to happen. It's the way the nation is played. If you bring the technology and 'omguberpower' of the nation to the forefront, and focus on that, people are going to be duly annoyed. You focus on your positronic equipment, your extradimensional travel, your planeswalkers... no-one cares about the made-up stuff. Honestly, the ships and the technology matter jack. When people try to make as if they do matter, it's really quite boring. It's one of those things I got told off for in my younger days, and something, from time to time, I do occasionally even now.

After all, we all like to have people marvel at our creations. But it's characters that are paramount. Antagonists and protagonists, plot and story, how the characters interact with the technology that's there that matters.

Let me cite an example, if I may. There's two players who play together often, Coreworlds, and Chronosia. One is a Jedi/ninja/god knows what else nation, the other, as we all know, is pure Chaos.

Recently, the two of them clashed. Chron's Emperor, Remiel, set a trap for Coreworlds's leader, Daniel Masaki. They utilised the Warp and the Force, fighting, their ships battling, and kicking all-around butt. But none of that mattered. What was actually interesting within the RP was the struggle of the two characters - they both had desires, and personalities, and they weren't merely faceless enemies who hit each other, over and over again. Their struggle, the hate they had for each other, the belief they both had that they were right.. it made for a story worth reading.

On the other hand, the recent ESUS-GFFA war has been spotty. When ships battle, without the characters inside giving their view of the war, of the battle, it's plain and boring. When war forces people to make choices, to make them consider things they'd never do in peace, to witness their personal struggles.. that's worth reading.

It has nothing to do with how many words you write. Coreworlds tends to write shorter posts, (although he does have an insane amount), but his posts are rich in character.

And I wasn't bitching about your nation. I was annoyed about the fact that we needed to study your nation, to discover these weaknesses. Combat weaknesses show up immediately, like mine, for instance. Of course, mine are immensely simple. I'm hugely vulnerable to kinetic weaponry, and nigh-invincible against energy weapons. I'm not saying weaknesses should be apparent before combat, at least not ICly. But forcing people to study your ships, simply to gain an advantage, is demanding they spend extra time studying your fleet just to be on an equal footing with you.

I've been an arsehole, I'll admit. When I get frustrated with people, I quickly degenerate into insults, and don't stay calm, like Chron would. For that, I apologise.

We don't want you to change your nation. Well, we all would prefer that other's nations were more to our liking, but we live with that. It's how you use your nation that we're complaining about, not what you have.

The arguement has been over. I have admitted the weaknesses of my ships. I have even offered to completely revamp my nation. No one accepted that. And, now we have solved our problems, lets get on with the thread.

You know, I think a lot of this problem is a problem of miscommunication. When writing, it is very hard to convey meaning. Like, for instance the sentance "He died." Meaning, a response to the phrase "What happened to him?" But, let's see what happens when you put emphasis on the words. "He died", meaning some one of importence died. Or "He died!", as in disbelief of him dying. Or, "He died!" as in a disbelief of of some one of importence dying. So, emphasis can change meaning, but most people don't put emphasis on words.

Very hard to mistake the phrase "he died" since I think everyone would place some sense of disbelief on someone of importance dieing. What I think is that you're blaming miscommunication for whats gone on, when really you've tried to ward off any form of argument with a "yeah yeah, I'll change attitude." If you change in the sarcastic fluffykin manner you've suggested, we'll be pissed. If you pursue some of the more valid ideas, we might be more willing to consider you.

Regardless, this issue is over, you've said you'll change. Hopefully we'll see a positive improvement.

Very hard to mistake the phrase "he died" since I think everyone would place some sense of disbelief on someone of importance dieing. What I think is that you're blaming miscommunication for whats gone on, when really you've tried to ward off any form of argument with a "yeah yeah, I'll change attitude." If you change in the sarcastic fluffykin manner you've suggested, we'll be pissed. If you pursue some of the more valid ideas, we might be more willing to consider you.


Dear god.....

Exactly. You have just proven my point. Thank you.

And, by the way, what would the "more valid ideas" be?

Very hard to mistake the phrase "he died" since I think everyone would place some sense of disbelief on someone of importance dieing. What I think is that you're blaming miscommunication for whats gone on, when really you've tried to ward off any form of argument with a "yeah yeah, I'll change attitude." If you change in the sarcastic fluffykin manner you've suggested, we'll be pissed. If you pursue some of the more valid ideas, we might be more willing to consider you.


Dear god.....

Exactly. You have just proven my point. Thank you.

And, by the way, what would the "more valid ideas" be? The 17 kilometer long ship? The evil dark Knight? (I've actually been developing a backstory for him, how he got so incredibly powerful; what he was before; what his weaknesses are. You know, that kind of stuff.) The Knight's Templar? Or just changing my attitude and keeping my nation as it is?

Very hard to mistake the phrase "he died" since I think everyone would place some sense of disbelief on someone of importance dieing. What I think is that you're blaming miscommunication for whats gone on, when really you've tried to ward off any form of argument with a "yeah yeah, I'll change attitude." If you change in the sarcastic fluffykin manner you've suggested, we'll be pissed. If you pursue some of the more valid ideas, we might be more willing to consider you.


Dear god.....

Exactly. You have just proven my point. Thank you.

And, by the way, what would the "more valid ideas" be? The 17 kilometer long ship? The evil dark Knight? (I've actually been developing a backstory for him, how he got so incredibly powerful; what he was before; what his weaknesses are. You know, that kind of stuff.) The Knight's Templar? Or just changing my attitude and keeping my nation as it is?

The ideas like the Knights Templar, yes. Interesting ideas that make your nation actually fun to RP with and not just a hodge-podge of god-moddish ideas with weaknesses tacked on.

Weaknesses evolve naturally based on the canon you chose and the ideas you put forward, not as excuses to have the largest most wanktastical ships you can. Too many people make that mistake to justify what they have rather than letting tech flow as a background to a decent story.

If you alter your attitude and compromise more on your nation, theres no end to what you could achieve.

Yup, just like Chron said. Find a tech that suits you and one you really enjoy. I'm a Star Wars fan, so SW tech + my own tweaks to it makes up my tech. It's fun to take in that tech you like and enjoy and make it your own. Just as Unified Sith and Chron both have, SW and WH40k respectively.

Can't wait to see what you come out with.

But, see, that's going to be a problem for me. I'm already involved in several RPs with my stuff. Now, I could quit out of all that, but that wouldn't be any fun, would it?

I'm probably going to go with the Templars and the Black Knight (who I have decided to name Vorian), and have them vying off at every available oppurtunity, the Templars trying to assassinate Vorian, Vorian trying to wipe out the Templars. You get the idea.

Another interesting idea is a nation of mages who fight with ideas. They turn their ideas into reality. That'll probably create some cool stuff. I need to develop this one some more.

And then there's the nation of werewolfs. Or, Lycans, to be more specific. They can change into werewolf form at will. But, if they change into their wolf form too much, they can be stuck.

But, again, to the top part, what would I say "I have to stop RPing because I was told my nation would never be any good, unless I change it, so I have to stop RPing with you, blah blah blah"? Really.

Also, Thrashia, I have have found a tech that suits me and I enjoy using. It's just, well, it doesn't suit you guys, and you
guys don't enjoy me RPing with it.

And, you know, I'm just not the kind of person to use basically one source. I like to use several; for this nation, I used my brain, Halo, Space Empires, Isaac Asimov's "Robots" universe, and Mtg. It might be fine for you guys to use one or two sources, but not me.

And, if you really have to know, just before you guys started yelling at me, I was going to have a group of rebel Planeswalkers tell you what to do to defeat my nation. In my old nation, there is a planet near the edge of the Galaxy, a very large planet, riviling Sol in the number of cultures and nations it harbors. It is called Galaxia. The ruler of Galaxia is a entity called the Lady of Death. She is a god, or possibly more powerful than one. My Planeswalkers shit their pants at the mention of her name. They tried to attack her once, half the Planeswalkers in the universe were wiped out.

If you would had sent an emissary to talk to her, she would have stopped my nation from participating in any future war against you guys until we could convince her to let us, which we probably wouldn't.

And, you won't believe me of course. Waste of time. Just like my weaknesses. I mean, they really are simple when you get down to it. You guys, especially should have easily been able to figure those out. You guys have been RPing for like, three, four, years, right? You should be experienced enough to have dealt with something like my nation.

And also, whoever said it, when you said "Coreworlds and Mationbuds had potential", did you mean the potential to be a good RPer, or the potential to be your ally? Just because you don't like the way some one RPs or, they don't have as high-quality RPing skills as you do (and don't get me wrong, you do), or just because you don't like them, or whatever, doesn't make them a bad RPer. It just makes them, yeah.


And by the way, there are three basics guidelines to if some one is god-modding or not:

1.Refusing to take any damage (Yes I did take damage)
2.Having uber-large armies (No, I don't.)
3.Having uber-technology (That's the only one I would violating, and that's dabateable.)

So, in essence, I nevergod-modded, you guys either A)Didn't want to face my fleets, or B)Have that god-modder phobia, and scream "GOD-MODDER!!!" at anyone who comes close to doing anything close to actual god-modding.

Thats hardly all there is to god-modding, theres also the use (and specifically the overuse) of god-like beings, but I think the argument of god modding is moot, mostly because I don't recall bringing it up. We're only trying to advise you as to what might be better for your nation in the long run, rather than being a hodge podge of techs, genres, card games and what nots.

Peronsally I regard Sol as hardly anything worth topping, the galaxy at large possesses far more potential in cultures. Lady of Death sounds like the Lady of Pain, who Gods fear (And with better and better defined reasons :P)

Ultimately every piece of advice sanctioned towards you is for your own good, whether you see it or not. Coreworlds is a good Rper, 010102 has the potential to improve. And MB....Well, MB seems to have a problem with me stemming from my position of power within the Empire, but he'd have potential too if he was more like 010102 and was willing to compromise and be at least civil about matters.

CW will never be my ally, because he's all Light and he smells :P

Also, I doubt anyone here fears your fleets. I certainly don't, but then Chronosians are without fear. Especially in battle.