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Chellis is putting forth a Request for Information(RFI) to military designers around the world. While in isolation, some Chellian militaries were not kept as up to date as Chellis would like. Henceforth, Chellis is requesting information for three major purchases. Ideally, a deal would be made with initial production made by a foreign country, as well as selling the plans to Chellis so it may produce replacement parts and replacements as it needs. We don't have specific numbers of what we need, so let us know how much of the product you can produce in a given amount of time. This will be a quite large purchase, so we are looking for large producers.

Chellis is looking for two new carrier designs for its navy. One design of a larger kind, able to hold at least 100 aircraft with a large enough runway for most regularly designed carrier aircraft to take off, and an escort carrier that can hold at least 40 aircraft and/or helicopters, ideally with a big enough runway for non-STOL aircraft to take off with either catapult assistance, or RTOL assistance(rocket take off/landing). We don't want super carriers, we want numerous ones, so try to stick close to our numbers of planes. We want relatively cheap price with decent capability.

Chellis is looking to improve its artillery in all manners. Stationary, Mobile, and Rocket artillery are all being looked at currently. Few specifications, but again, price is a consideration. Needs to be compatable with commonly found artillery rounds, as well as have the flexibility to use more advanced rounds.

Finally, Chellis is looking towards a new attack helicopter. Ideally, it should be as small as possible while working with other requirements, such as relatively good range, able to carry a variety of weapons depending on the situation, able to work on over land and over the sea, fast, and decent counter-measures against SAMs and Flak.

OOC: As close to MT as possible, please.

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We at Neucom Inc have equipment to fit all of your needs. First for the aircraft carriers is the NQA 1 Farbanti-class (http://z11.invisionfree.com/Neucom_Equipment/index.php?showtopic=13) aircraft carrier. The NM-3 Rhino (http://z11.invisionfree.com/Neucom_Equipment/index.php?showtopic=6&view=getnewpost) is a 203mm self-propelled artillery gun, and the NH-4 Hydra (http://z11.invisionfree.com/Neucom_Equipment/index.php?showtopic=7) is a light attack helo perfect for your requirements. You can click on the logo for the link to the storefront for prices on these and other equipment. Whatever you do, remember to pick what suits you needs.

[These designs are MT]

Signed,
Jonathon Keryan
CEO of Neucom Inc

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We at Neucom Inc have equipment to fit all of your needs. First for the aircraft carriers is the NQA 1 Farbanti-class (http://z11.invisionfree.com/Neucom_Equipment/index.php?showtopic=13) aircraft carrier. The NM-3 Rhino (http://z11.invisionfree.com/Neucom_Equipment/index.php?showtopic=6&view=getnewpost) is a 203mm self-propelled artillery gun, and the NH-4 Hydra (http://z11.invisionfree.com/Neucom_Equipment/index.php?showtopic=7) is a light attack helo perfect for your requirements. You can click on the logo for the link to the storefront for prices on these and other equipment. Whatever you do, remember to pick what suits you needs.

[These designs are MT]

Signed,
Jonathon Keryan
CEO of Neucom Inc

We thank you for your information, but at this point, its unlikely we are considering these. We are ideally looking for artillery in 155m or lower, and we have a... thing... against using american missiles. We don't like them, and it doesn't seem to offer much over the Eurotiger, which we already produce and export.

As for the carrier, we aren't really looking for a stealthy design. Our carriers main purposes will to be, quite simply, launch aircraft, with a fleet protecting it heavily. But we would like to know the price first.

We thank you for your information, but at this point, its unlikely we are considering these. We are ideally looking for artillery in 155m or lower, and we have a... thing... against using american missiles. We don't like them, and it doesn't seem to offer much over the Eurotiger, which we already produce and export.

As for the carrier, we aren't really looking for a stealthy design. Our carriers main purposes will to be, quite simply, launch aircraft, with a fleet protecting it heavily. But we would like to know the price first.

The prices are in the storfront, ummm... nothing is American, it's Neo-Erusean. (I just find a picture that looks nice and use it:D )

The prices are in the storfront, ummm... nothing is American, it's Neo-Erusean. (I just find a picture that looks nice and use it:D )

OOC: The helicopter uses predators and TOW's. Thats what I meant.

EDIT: I actually meant hellfire's, not predators. And 30m is a little expensive, compared to the eurotigers 18.

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For your Artillery requirement, perhaps a range of systems developed from the Crookfur Arms Scoudnrel Light SPG might be worth considering:

Scoundrel Self Propelled Gun
Image (http://www.meatballs.terminator.org.uk/crookfur/images/light%20SPG.jpg)

Combat weight: 24 tons
crew: 4: Driver plus 3 gun crew.
Length (gun lowered): 11.2m
width: (gun lowered): 3.1m
height (gun lowered): 2.8m
Main armament: G341LW 6” (152.4mm) 46 calibre high pressure gun
Secondary armament: Pintle mounting for most light and medium machine guns
Ammo:
Main gun: 6 rounds in magazine plus 30 projectiles stored in armoured boxes each side of gun with propellant charges stored under platform floor in front of gun.
Secondary: 1 box on gun and room for an additional two 200 .50cal boxes in ready storage
Power plant: CFPW T265H Hybrid electric/ multi fuel turbine drive system
Speed: 60kmh
range 600km
Armour: light weight composite over welded titanium body, anti spall liner of armorfelt sandwiched between aramid fibre sheets.
Effectiveness: crew, engine and ammo storage protection rated at STANAG level 3 protection.
Price: $3.6million

Overview
Designed to be fast and mobile, the Scoundrel light weight self propelled gun, offers a highly effective fire support solution for light forces.

Gun:
The Scoundrel uses the G341LW 6” L46 gun which uses a high pressure chamber and heavy propellant loading to achieve performance normally associated with heavier and larger 52-55calibre systems. Capable of up to 65 degrees of elevation the G341LW can attain ranges of over 25km using standard projectiles and over 45km using ERBB munitions. For situations demanding a high volume of fire to be delivered in a very short period of time the G341LW features a special 6 round magazine that can be emptied in about 18seconds. When the magazine has been emptied it can either be removed and then replaced by a resupply vehicle or the gun can revert to manual loading assisted by a pneumatic rammer. In a manually loaded sustained fire scenario a rate of fire of 6-8 rounds per minute can be achieved.

Systems:
The Scoundrel is fitted with a advanced fire control computer which is linked to an automatic hydraulic gun laying system and features both a satellite navigation terminal (supporting most common satellite constellations and can be programmed with a variety of encoding levels to customise it to the customer’s chosen solution) and a muzzle velocity sensor, using both these system the fire control system can be generate very precise fire onto the given target and is capable of relaying the gun between every shot, even in burst mode. The FCC is also linked to a Warsphere data link and can accept both tactical and strategic information and orders allowing for the very best network cooperation with friendly forces.


Survivability:
All important locations bar the actual gun are protected with a light weight ballistic composite scheme that offers STANAG level 3 protection (basically against most small arms apart from HMGs), a bank of 8 defensive munitions launchers is fitted to allow the deployment of smoke and other counter measures.
A Pintle mount is also provided to allow a machine gun to be used as a defensive weapon

Crew:
The driver occupies a compartment on the front left hand side of the vehicle alongside the engine while the gun crew occupies a comfortable air conditioned compartment behind him, which is accessed via a hatch from the gun platform, when using the magazine the entire firing sequence can be carried out from within this compartment although a full set of gun control can be accessed using a remote control device plugged into the exterior of the vehicle.


The G341LW gun is compatable with existing "russian" 152mm ammuntion and if "western" compatability is required a 155mm gun of similar performance can be fitted.

We also have a heavier armoured SPG based on the same chassis if this woudl be prefferable: Image (http://www.meatballs.terminator.org.uk/crookfur/images/mediumSPG.jpg)
Additonally the same chassis can also be adapted to mount a variety of MLRS options including the MA19F Modular launcher assembly (basiclaly astros II).

For your Artillery requirement, perhaps a range of systems developed from the Crookfur Arms Scoudnrel Light SPG might be worth considering:


The G341LW gun is compatable with existing "russian" 152mm ammuntion and if "western" compatability is required a 155mm gun of similar performance can be fitted.

We also have a heavier armoured SPG based on the same chassis if this woudl be prefferable: Image (http://www.meatballs.terminator.org.uk/crookfur/images/mediumSPG.jpg)
Additonally the same chassis can also be adapted to mount a variety of MLRS options including the MA19F Modular launcher assembly (basiclaly astros II).

How much could you produce in a given amount of time?

Probabaly in the region of 2000-3000 per year (NS) after a lead in time of about 6 months.

Probabaly in the region of 2000-3000 per year (NS) after a lead in time of about 6 months.

We are interested, but we aren't sure that we can wait so long. We have around 200 million people in the military, and put a large emphasis on artillery. We like the system, but getting enough of it could be a large issue.

There si a possibility that the rate of production could be increased if a signifcant order volume could be garunteed, with intial orders being delivered at a rate of 100 units per month for the first 3 months with follow orders increasing in pace, reaching a peak rate of 800-900 units per month after 6 months.

As such prduction rates would have to rely on manufacturing space being reassigned from our own domestic requirements substancial financial garuntees would ahve to be provided.

OOC: I am not entirely sure what sort of production rate would be suitable for the roughly 3000th largest arms manufacturer in the world.
Would a total order in the million unit region be totally unrealistic target?

Edit: i would offer examples from existing Crookfur army stocks but they are all out fitted with our indiginous 160mm guns...

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The Corporation can provide packages on an individual basis for a helicopter we recomend our Doragon Gunship, a revolution in the way of attack aircraft technology.

There si a possibility that the rate of production could be increased if a signifcant order volume could be garunteed, with intial orders being delivered at a rate of 100 units per month for the first 3 months with follow orders increasing in pace, reaching a peak rate of 800-900 units per month after 6 months.

As such prduction rates would have to rely on manufacturing space being reassigned from our own domestic requirements substancial financial garuntees would ahve to be provided.

OOC: I am not entirely sure what sort of production rate would be suitable for the roughly 3000th largest arms manufacturer in the world.
Would a total order in the million unit region be totally unrealistic target?

Edit: i would offer examples from existing Crookfur army stocks but they are all out fitted with our indiginous 160mm guns...

OOC: I'm personally trying to figure out how many I want, as I do use a lot of artillery. I love it. I'm thinking somewhere along the lines of, say, 500,000 pieces of self propelled, and a million towed. These numbers are similar to russian numbers, having about 5,000 SPG's for a million troops... so 500,000 for 100m is about the same(I will assume that my conscripted parts of the military will use a good deal less SPG's), and as far as 1.5m towed pieces of artillery.

So as you can see, 4,000 pieces a year... 100 years to equip myself? I'm really looking at maybe 10 years max to do this, buying 50,000 a year... This could be supplemented by building my own, though. How much would production rights be?

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The Corporation can provide packages on an individual basis for a helicopter we recomend our Doragon Gunship, a revolution in the way of attack aircraft technology.

We don't deal with backwards, evil countries like yourself.

OOC: What exactly do you think my response would be? You're part of that anti-communist alliance, I've been prepared to attack you multiple times, my country thinks you would be lucky to design 70's equivilent era of technology, and you likely couldn't produce nearly enough for how many I would want.

Its not gonna happen, CP.

OOC: I'm personally trying to figure out how many I want, as I do use a lot of artillery. I love it. I'm thinking somewhere along the lines of, say, 500,000 pieces of self propelled, and a million towed. These numbers are similar to russian numbers, having about 5,000 SPG's for a million troops... so 500,000 for 100m is about the same(I will assume that my conscripted parts of the military will use a good deal less SPG's), and as far as 1.5m towed pieces of artillery.

So as you can see, 4,000 pieces a year... 100 years to equip myself? I'm really looking at maybe 10 years max to do this, buying 50,000 a year... This could be supplemented by building my own, though. How much would production rights be?

DPRs would probabaly free with a large order.
As i think about things my production capabilties would need to be somewhere near that level just to keep up with own demand so 50,000 a year using my factories aided by a degree of your own domesitic production would liekly be doable.

We don't deal with backwards, evil countries like yourself.

OOC: What exactly do you think my response would be? You're part of that anti-communist alliance, I've been prepared to attack you multiple times, my country thinks you would be lucky to design 70's equivilent era of technology, and you likely couldn't produce nearly enough for how many I would want.

Its not gonna happen, CP.


OOC: Well I was only posting to see what my new logo looks like.

DPRs would probabaly free with a large order.
As i think about things my production capabilties would need to be somewhere near that level just to keep up with own demand so 50,000 a year using my factories aided by a degree of your own domesitic production would liekly be doable.

If you can produce at least 30,000 for us per year, after the first year, and can give us the production plans, we are willing to buy them, up until we reach our goal of roughly 500,000 artillery pieces.

If you can produce at least 30,000 for us per year, after the first year, and can give us the production plans, we are willing to buy them, up until we reach our goal of roughly 500,000 artillery pieces.

Very good, can we consider it a deal?

Very good, can we consider it a deal?

Indeed.

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Don't call us, we'll call you.

OOC: I'm not interested. If I don't reply, thats a good assumption to make.