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//:: The G2A4 Standard Issue Infantry Rifle ::\\

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Now available in two different Purchase Variants
Thumb-hole, and Pistol-Grip Stocks

They also may be purchased separately and assembled in-feild depending on users preference.

Caliber: 6mm x 49 mm Caseless Ammunition
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Operation: Semi Automatic / 2 Round Burst / Automatic
Overall length: 38.58 inches
Barrel length: 22.80 inches
Weight: 7 Pounds Empty
8.2 Pounds Loaded
10.1 Pounds W/ Weight Rods Inserted (Discussed near the end of the abstract)
Reliability: The G2A4 has fired 40,000+ rounds without cleaning, nor failures and retained a perfect finish from when inserted in our lab tests.
Though battlefield conditions estimate 10,000- before needing to be cleaned, expect failures and jams.
Rate of fire: 800 RPM/1100 RPM
Effective Range: 800 Meters
Feeding: 30 round black polymer straight compact magazine (illustrated above), 50 round transparent polymer 6mm x 49mm straight magazine, or a 100 round transparent polymer 6mm x 49mm beta C mag.
Taking a step back into a more simple design, the G2A4 is a combination of G36K internals, HK53 externals, some bits from the G3 rifle, as well as original SL8 casing all rolled into one package that is able to fire 6mm x 49 mm, or 6.8x49mm (Popular Caseless round type) with a few field changes to the barrel and has a Safe-Single-Double-Auto Trigger Group. Also because it uses casless ammunition rates of fire as high as 1100 RPM are attainable though are never encouraged as misfires are constant due to heat build-up in the chamber causing the bare heat of the weapon to cause the bullet to fire rather than a strike of the case. Also a thin plastic laminate covers all bullets to make sure they are not fouled by water or other natural obstacles. So when fired this plastic laminate evaporates and is flushed out of the chamber as the gasses expand either out the barrel or above the barrel around the fore-grip gas release area.
Price for Export: 1,800 USD

//::Abstract::\\

This weapon was designed as the older G2A2 design was much to complicated for its small size. It was also decided that a more reliable, higher caliber, as well as larger capacity weapon per magazine would be required. Field stripping the older G2A2 was an extremely slow and hard process to the springs and complex roller recoil dampening system. Integerian Arms R&D was contacted again with these specifications to be done away with. They were, instead a super soft polymer butt stock pad was added to both the top for ones cheek and back for the arm. A much simpler method which dissipated much felt recoil. A more comfortable pistol grip was incorporated as well, and along with that; the G36 Bolt & Carrying mechanism was also incorporated simply because of its reliability. The gas used to operate the action is vented in the forearm, and not blown back into the action like the 'exhaust pipe' of the M16 gas tube; thusly expanding gasses, nor the evaporated laminates used in the caseless bullets acclimated by this weapon do not collect upon the bolt causing jams.

Also this weapon includes a small tungsten rod in the fore grip with a cast iron rod on the left side of the fore grip (Not in the illustrations above) which keeps the balance of weight in this weapon directly in the center, or with a turn of the knob distributes weight evenly to the front or back for the users preference/liking.

The weapon also sports a Picatinny/RAIL/Weaver mount along the top for a variety of accessories to be applied to the weapon including telescopic sights of ones choice. The iron sights are also revolutionary. Also note four prong flash hider reminiscent of the HK53 series, which hid its flash very effectively and it continues doing its job of effectively mitigating muzzle flash in the G2A4. As shown in the preview below, they make repetitive automatic, or single shot shooting a breeze because while the target is always in sight and because the crosshairs are always there to guide not obstruct view to the target.
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Hmm..looks an awful like an SL8. :D

Look beautiful, and if I was in need of a new rifle I would buy one :-/. Maybe the MayFlower Corporation would like to buy some from you, but most likely not.

1. Can you get me a picture of the Caseless Ammuntion? 2. Is this a perfected version or not?

Hmm..looks an awful like an SL8. :DYou would be right.

Except I edited the flash hider, the sights, and the expanding gas ejection ports in the foregrip in Photoshop....

Del Agua, it's almost to pefrect, and heres a visual reference for the ammo.

Here (http://www.hkpro.com/image/g11round5.jpg)
and Here (http://www.hkpro.com/image/g11round3.jpg)

Looks cased to me... But anyways thank you, and nice job.

Looks cased to me... But anyways thank you, and nice job.Del, a spent bullet casing looks like THIS (http://www.hoboes.com/html/NetLife/POV/Bullet/icon_big.jpg) these bullets are encompassed by only their explosive grains and nothing more. So when the bullet is fired the chamber doesn't need to be opened for the casing to fall or be ejected out the side and then another loaded. Which makes the entire process nearly twice or three times as quick depending on the ammunition being used. So higher RoF's in the ares of 1800, to 2200 are easily attainable except for the fact that the heat buildup in the barrel causes the bullets casing of grains to explode on contact with the chamber. Though; despite that downside it also attributes to higher reliability, because external causes of jams cannot get in other than the expanding gas build up. Though that is also gotten rid of effectively with the use of the G36 Bolt and Carrying mechanism.

Update:

Changed to 50 bullet straight Mag's
Reason: Same size as a normal 30 round magazine, just now it has more rounds.

100 Bullet Beta C's
Reason: Size of a 50 round Beta C, takes up less space than a 50 round straight mag, and simply looks more aesthetically pleasing.

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Integer;11958162']Update:

Changed to 50 bullet straight Mag's
Reason: Same size as a normal 30 round magazine, just now it has more rounds.

100 Bullet Beta C's
Reason: Size of a 50 round Beta C, takes up less space than a 50 round straight mag, and simply looks more aesthetically pleasing.

OOC: You seem familiar Integer, Asperitas?

General Resources

We wish to obtain production rights, and would like to open the bidding at 750 million USD.

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OOC: You seem familiar Integer, Asperitas?

General Resources

We wish to obtain production rights, and would like to open the bidding at 750 million USD.

[END][And you'd be correct good sir.]

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Integer;11958959'][And you'd be correct good sir.]

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OOC: These plans have gone to the Mafia and the government. Oh those sneaky Mafia boys.

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Understood, we are downloading and have wired the money.

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Pointleess rant followed by opinion on gun:

I find it funny, that when a company makes you a design you are not pleased with, you ask the same company to design its replacement.

Not much competition in your state run arms industry is there?

Even more funny, and a bit sad, is that RL nations do the same thing...*

Think about this from the consumer's point of view, if you were not pleased with the brand, why are you still buying it?

And if you aren't buying it, why are you paying them?

You are paying your employees to fail... repeatedly. No matter how bad they mess up, you'll still ask them to make your weapons.

It is quite possable, that your arms industry can produce a weapon your country won't ever use.
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Nice gun though.

A radical 'improvement' over its predecessor

Impressive actually, had it not been drowned out by the competition of 'spam' (threads that limit visibilty of your design).

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*USA (F/A-18 vs F-16 controversy, just for starters)

Pointleess rant followed by opinion on gun:

I find it funny, that when a company makes you a design you are not pleased with, you ask the same company to design its replacement.

Not much competition in your state run arms industry is there?

Even more funny, and a bit sad, is that RL nations do the same thing...*

Think about this from the consumer's point of view, if you were not pleased with the brand, why are you still buying it?

And if you aren't buying it, why are you paying them?

You are paying your employees to fail... repeatedly. No matter how bad they mess up, you'll still ask them to make your weapons.

It is quite possable, that your arms industry can produce a weapon your country won't ever use.
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Nice gun though.

A radical 'improvement' over its predecessor

Impressive actually, had it not been drowned out by the competition of 'spam' (threads that limit visibilty of your design).

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*USA (F/A-18 vs F-16 controversy, just for starters)Haha I actually quite enjoyed that rant. Though my only explanation for that is a small nation. Then again that is an oxymoron in the fact that a small nation is going to have quite a few companies striving to be on top. (Though the always holds true regardless of nation size.) So really, that was my fault for being careless in thought of gun company R&D. Hah, nice of you to point it out in your rant though. No point in editing it though so I'll leave it as it is. Lets just regard it as a second chance for them, yes?

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OOC:
On your rate of fire issue:
Yes Caseless Ammunition does permit the possibility of higher rates of fire by removing the need for the extraction stage. But to do that you need an entirely new mechanism/action not simply a rotatiing bolt short stroke gas piston mechanism. Using that mechanism, modified for caseless ammo with a heavier bolt and proper obituration system, likely isn't going to give you the RoF you really want, you might be able to push it to the 1000-1200rpm region but not much faster.

As for your magazines they are going to be some what bulky and the prospect of trying to fit rectangular ammo into beta C magazine would be enough to give most engineers a fit, so i would just repalce it with a 100 roudn linkless feed box.

ppart from that as ncie as ever M8.

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On your rate of fire issue:
Yes Caseless Ammunition does permit the possibility of higher rates of fire by removing the need for the extraction stage. But to do that you need an entirely new mechanism/action not simply a rotatiing bolt short stroke gas piston mechanism. Using that mechanism, modified for caseless ammo with a heavier bolt and proper obituration system, likely isn't going to give you the RoF you really want, you might be able to push it to the 1000-1200rpm region but not much faster.

As for your magazines they are going to be some what bulky and the prospect of trying to fit rectangular ammo into beta C magazine would be enough to give most engineers a fit, so i would just repalce it with a 100 roudn linkless feed box.

ppart from that as ncie as ever M8.[Yes but the retangular ammo has feathered/smoothed edges which in my opinion would be enough to stop and friction from reducing performance of a Beta C magazine.

Though you are right the RoF does need to be reduced.]

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Hmm..looks an awful like an SL8. :D

It is the SL8. I use the SL8 as my M80 Assault Rifle. It's a sweet weapon. Nice weapon design man, I like it a lot.

It is the SL8. I use the SL8 as my M80 Assault Rifle. It's a sweet weapon. Nice weapon design man, I like it a lot.

Right, and while the weapon's design is nice, you need a whole storefront. Full of 'Premium weapons'.

Everyone wants a storefront, and you are a very capable weapon's designer. Produce a line of armoured vehicles.

It is the SL8. I use the SL8 as my M80 Assault Rifle. It's a sweet weapon. Nice weapon design man, I like it a lot.[Thanks guys, so so far not real other criticisms? Surprising that with all these positive comments and compliments towards me weapon I've only made a single purchase.
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Not much need for a battle rifle. If it was me back in the day, you know crazy, I probable would have made it my standerdized infantry weapon. I suggest creating an armoured vechile if your really want to make some moneys off of your design. But none the less, great job.

[Thanks, I'm already starting on a special operation carbine =], after that I'll move onto an IFV.]

Lol, what's the expected cost of the production rights for your esteemed IFV?

Lol, what's the expected cost of the production rights for your esteemed IFV?[Dunno, a good 500,000x its cost. And I still don't know its cost, haha.

So far I'm thinking since its not going to be fighting other than other IFV's, lightly armored vehicles and of course infantry I'm thinking of simply slapping a 30mm Gatling gun to the top with a mess of sensors to it could also act as AA. That or dual 30mm cannons instead of them being configured in a Gatling configuration. Still unsure of which to go with.]

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Right, and while the weapon's design is nice, you need a whole storefront. Full of 'Premium weapons'.

Everyone wants a storefront, and you are a very capable weapon's designer. Produce a line of armoured vehicles.

Is that to me or to?

Is that to me or to?[I'm pretty sure it was directed towards you originally. =]]

Integer;11965119'][I'm pretty sure it was directed towards you originally. =]]

That's what I thought but I have one (LOL). Just look in the siggy.

Oh no, I saw it, your M80 is just like my G2A4. Its just I put a bit more research into mine. =]] You did a great job with the design too nonetheless.

OOC:
There are a few problems with your design. I will list them, working from your technical and abstract writeups you have provided.

The first major problem is that you seem to be working with caseless ammunition. Problems with caseless ammunition include extreme heat buildup and extreme pressure buildup. The advantage is that it can produce a higher ROF because you do not have the case-ejection stage of the action, however the case-ejection stage involves opening at least one port, unlocking the bolt, and cycling air through the action (though not as a concious design consideration; it just happens.) The effect is that the weapon cools itself and vents gas and pressure that would otherwise become rather dangerous.

I don't quite understand your design. I assume the "Foregrip gas-release area" is a moniker for something that will reduce pressure buildup in the chamber while allowing the action to continue functioning; and the fouling you'd get from leftover laminate protective casing would prohibit a 40,000 round without-cleaning-without-failure operation. Yes, the laminates and powder fouling do not collect upon the bolt, however they would continue to accumulate in the gas rods and the "Foregrip Venting Area."

The other major issue I see here is that you're saying you can switch the barrel out and use 5.45x39mm or 7.62x39mm ammunition. That, is a load of bullshit. You have a caseless rifle; caseless rifles don't require an extracting mechanism, with an extracting mechanism and port you cannot have an effective caseless design with the 1100 RPM ROF you stated in an Assault Rifle type weapon. 5.45x39mm or 7.62x39mm "Soviet" are not caseless rounds; you need a different magazine, different magazine lip, different action, you need an ejection port, you need a different bolt design to accomodate ejecting rounds. You need a different barrel, which you've noted.

Other than that it's a fairly good design. I'm a big fan of the two-round trigger grouping myself, I'd like to see that on more weapons instead of that damnable "Three round."

OOC:
There are a few problems with your design. I will list them, working from your technical and abstract writeups you have provided.

The first major problem is that you seem to be working with caseless ammunition. Problems with caseless ammunition include extreme heat buildup and extreme pressure buildup. The advantage is that it can produce a higher ROF because you do not have the case-ejection stage of the action, however the case-ejection stage involves opening at least one port, unlocking the bolt, and cycling air through the action (though not as a concious design consideration; it just happens.) The effect is that the weapon cools itself and vents gas and pressure that would otherwise become rather dangerous.

I don't quite understand your design. I assume the "Foregrip gas-release area" is a moniker for something that will reduce pressure buildup in the chamber while allowing the action to continue functioning; and the fouling you'd get from leftover laminate protective casing would prohibit a 40,000 round without-cleaning-without-failure operation. Yes, the laminates and powder fouling do not collect upon the bolt, however they would continue to accumulate in the gas rods and the "Foregrip Venting Area."

The other major issue I see here is that you're saying you can switch the barrel out and use 5.45x39mm or 7.62x39mm ammunition. That, is a load of bullshit. You have a caseless rifle; caseless rifles don't require an extracting mechanism, with an extracting mechanism and port you cannot have an effective caseless design with the 1100 RPM ROF you stated in an Assault Rifle type weapon. 5.45x39mm or 7.62x39mm "Soviet" are not caseless rounds; you need a different magazine, different magazine lip, different action, you need an ejection port, you need a different bolt design to accomodate ejecting rounds. You need a different barrel, which you've noted.

Other than that it's a fairly good design. I'm a big fan of the two-round trigger grouping myself, I'd like to see that on more weapons instead of that damnable "Three round."Shit, totally forgot about that '5.45x39mm or 7.62x39mm' listings. I copied and pasted the abstract from an old design of mine that I trashed half way through being my original G2. Then I went to the G2A2, now the G2A4. The two older versions used cased ammunition which is why it was listed. I need to get rid of that crap.

The first major problem is that you seem to be working with caseless ammunition. Problems with caseless ammunition include extreme heat buildup and extreme pressure buildup. The advantage is that it can produce a higher ROF because you do not have the case-ejection stage of the action, however the case-ejection stage involves opening at least one port, unlocking the bolt, and cycling air through the action (though not as a concious design consideration; it just happens.) The effect is that the weapon cools itself and vents gas and pressure that would otherwise become rather dangerous.

Thats why the normal clock is 800 RPM.

I don't quite understand your design. I assume the "Foregrip gas-release area" is a moniker for something that will reduce pressure buildup in the chamber while allowing the action to continue functioning; and the fouling you'd get from leftover laminate protective casing would prohibit a 40,000 round without-cleaning-without-failure operation. Yes, the laminates and powder fouling do not collect upon the bolt, however they would continue to accumulate in the gas rods and the "Foregrip Venting Area."
You ever seen the G36K? See those holes on the foregrip? When the expanding gasses make rotating bolt work, instead of fouling the barrel and bolt mechanism they are vented through the foregrip.

Also, 40,00 rounds seems reasonable? Though I'm betting your knowledge on the subject is more than mine so what would you suggest would be a realistic and reasonable amount? 30,000 Rounds?

OOC:

Ah, I see. Okay, you're forgiven for that then. For a second I thought you'd gone bloody insane. (RE: Cased rounds in a caseless rifle.)

I noticed the original clock of 800 RPMs, I figured that 1100 was your cyclic rate. That's a reasonable clock, but still beware pressure and heat buildup; it's a problem unique to caseless weapons. You have to balance the force you need to operate your action, with the velocity you want to get that round out to 800 meters with an effective meters-per-second velocity, and still bleed enough off that firing short bursts on automatic doesn't cause so much pressure buildup in the chamber to fracture the weapon's chamber, barrel, etc.


You ever seen the G36K? See those holes on the foregrip? When the expanding gasses make rotating bolt work, instead of fouling the barrel and bolt mechanism they are vented through the foregrip.

Also, 40,00 rounds seems reasonable? Though I'm betting your knowledge on the subject is more than mine so what would you suggest would be a realistic and reasonable amount? 30,000 Rounds?


Yeah, I've actually handled G-36A and G-36K, they're sweet rifles. Wasn't given the opportunity to fire them though. And I understand what you're trying to say, but you're still going to get powder fouling in the vents, in the gas-tube, etc, you just won't get powder fouling on the bolt. There is a difference.

40,000 rounds seems reasonable if you're in a laboratory, with clean ammo, with a clean rifle, in perfect conditions. Under battlefield conditions this would want a thorough cleaning every 10,000 rounds or so, or even less, depending on how muddy / cold / humid / whatever it is. Another problem you have are the Beta C-Mags, they jam even with standard ammunition, caseless would make the problem worse. A lot of troops were killed during Operation Iraqi Freedom trying to unjam stopped up C-Mags.

OOC:

Ah, I see. Okay, you're forgiven for that then. For a second I thought you'd gone bloody insane. (RE: Cased rounds in a caseless rifle.)

I noticed the original clock of 800 RPMs, I figured that 1100 was your cyclic rate. That's a reasonable clock, but still beware pressure and heat buildup; it's a problem unique to caseless weapons. You have to balance the force you need to operate your action, with the velocity you want to get that round out to 800 meters with an effective meters-per-second velocity, and still bleed enough off that firing short bursts on automatic doesn't cause so much pressure buildup in the chamber to fracture the weapon's chamber, barrel, etc.



Yeah, I've actually handled G-36A and G-36K, they're sweet rifles. Wasn't given the opportunity to fire them though. And I understand what you're trying to say, but you're still going to get powder fouling in the vents, in the gas-tube, etc, you just won't get powder fouling on the bolt. There is a difference.

40,000 rounds seems reasonable if you're in a laboratory, with clean ammo, with a clean rifle, in perfect conditions. Under battlefield conditions this would want a thorough cleaning every 10,000 rounds or so, or even less, depending on how muddy / cold / humid / whatever it is. Another problem you have are the Beta C-Mags, they jam even with standard ammunition, caseless would make the problem worse. A lot of troops were killed during Operation Iraqi Freedom trying to unjam stopped up C-Mags.

Thanks for the info man! Man, that helps a lot, let me edit the front page. Also, would you suggest a banana box style feed? Or normal straight magazine?

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No problem man, if you want more help on other projects like this, toss me a TG sometime and we'll work something out design-wise.

As to magazine type, well, we've got some problems. Most magazines are what we refer to as "Double Column" or "Double Stack" magazines. That means that the rounds don't sit in a single column in the magazine, being fed straight up into the action, they kinda go in staggered, so if you were to pop the back plate off the magazine, it'd look like two columns.

The problem is that caseless ammunition is typically square. So we can't do a double-stack magazine because it would keep getting caught on itself. Typically what we see are single-column magazines. But we've got large rounds here. If you had the single stack in a 30 round configuration, it'd be a pretty long mag, with a 50 round configuration it's too long to go prone with comfortably. Now you mentioned earlier that you'd "feathered" the edges of the caseless ammo to facilitate use in C-Mags, so if these things are "tubular," then we can potentially see use of a double-stack magazine here. Which is probably your best bet.

Edit: As to magazine type, straight box works fine. The 'banana' magazine takes a long magazine and curves it so that it takes up less vertical space at the cost of increasing the horizontal space consumption. With caseless rounds I'd be hesitant to put them into a curved magazine.

OOC:
No problem man, if you want more help on other projects like this, toss me a TG sometime and we'll work something out design-wise.

As to magazine type, well, we've got some problems. Most magazines are what we refer to as "Double Column" or "Double Stack" magazines. That means that the rounds don't sit in a single column in the magazine, being fed straight up into the action, they kinda go in staggered, so if you were to pop the back plate off the magazine, it'd look like two columns.

The problem is that caseless ammunition is typically square. So we can't do a double-stack magazine because it would keep getting caught on itself. Typically what we see are single-column magazines. But we've got large rounds here. If you had the single stack in a 30 round configuration, it'd be a pretty long mag, with a 50 round configuration it's too long to go prone with comfortably. Now you mentioned earlier that you'd "feathered" the edges of the caseless ammo to facilitate use in C-Mags, so if these things are "tubular," then we can potentially see use of a double-stack magazine here. Which is probably your best bet. The only problem with using a tubular caseless round is it would be longer for the same amount of grains, no? Then again it would have the same amount of grains of that of a cased bullet for same volume so there wouldn't be a problem... Hmmm; sounds good.

I'll start photoshopping some images of tubular caseless ammo to go along in the abstract when I get the chance. Thanks again man =]

OOC:
Not a problem. I'll just repeat my above edit here so I actually answer your question instead of actually going on a tangent about magazine and ammunition feed types and issues. Whoops.
Edited portion:
"As to magazine type, straight box works fine. The 'banana' magazine takes a long magazine and curves it so that it takes up less vertical space at the cost of increasing the horizontal space consumption. With caseless rounds I'd be hesitant to put them into a curved magazine."

You may want to check the ergonomics of this rifle again; SL-8 is a civilian sporting rifle with what's referred to as a "Thumbhole Stock." It may not be the best type for an assault weapon; though at this stage ergonomics are a matter of personal preference, and this would work fairly well.

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Not a problem. I'll just repeat my above edit here so I actually answer your question instead of actually going on a tangent about magazine and ammunition feed types and issues. Whoops.
Edited portion:
"As to magazine type, straight box works fine. The 'banana' magazine takes a long magazine and curves it so that it takes up less vertical space at the cost of increasing the horizontal space consumption. With caseless rounds I'd be hesitant to put them into a curved magazine."

You may want to check the ergonomics of this rifle again; SL-8 is a civilian sporting rifle with what's referred to as a "Thumbhole Stock." It may not be the best type for an assault weapon; though at this stage ergonomics are a matter of personal preference, and this would work fairly well.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/KGBFaTaLsHoT/G2A4.png

What do you think? It was a quick photoshop...

OOC:
That is a smooth bit of photoshopping there. The pistol grip may work better, watch the underside of the stock though, since if it gets too large on you, you'll have issues. Overall I think you're probably good to go with something like that. It's just the stock, so it would be possible to offer G2A4 in different models; 'Thumbhole' and 'Pistol-Grip' stocks.

Integer;11965288']Oh no, I saw it, your M80 is just like my G2A4. Its just I put a bit more research into mine. =]] You did a great job with the design too nonetheless.

Trust me I put a lot of research into mine.

Trust me I put a lot of research into mine.Yeah, that was a pretty stupid thing for me to say, I take that back. Its kinda like saying I was raised better than you were; haha. Naw man I can clearly see you did your research.

Update:

Vast revisions made to abstract,
Rifle also updated with two different stock variants.

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OOC: The original comment was directed at Integer/Asperitas, but I must have made a mistake in quoting. An Integerian Premium Weapons storefront would be great.

As for the APC, Gatling Guns use ammo too quickly, I suggest a chain gun, or perhaps a rotary cannon.

Try to stay away from Aluminum armour, while it is much lighter, it has a tendency to burst into flame

OOC: The original comment was directed at Integer/Asperitas, but I must have made a mistake in quoting. An Integerian Premium Weapons storefront would be great.

As for the APC, Gatling Guns use ammo too quickly, I suggest a chain gun, or perhaps a rotary cannon.

Try to stay away from Aluminum armour, while it is much lighter, it has a tendency to burst into flame

I concur.

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Integer;11972591'][Bump]

Press Release

Despite original protests that the KF15 'Fulcrum' wouldn't be effective as the KF11 'Higgs' 7.62 Caseless, the extra length which means extra propellant, along with the development of a Tungsten round amazed researchers by showing nearly 75% improvement in penetration of human flesh at medium ranges, and a 58% gain in penetration of Kevlar with ceramic inserts at all ranges.

Infantry men like its reduced weight, increased ammo capacity, good flash hider, and comfort.

"Most comfortable rifle I've ever used. Many say this should be an ancillary concern, but it is extremely important to the ground pounder who has to use this thing."

- Private Uqbar, 104th People's Guard

Many are extremely pleased and believe its increased cost is a non-issue, as the improvements are entirely worth it.

Elite units and foreignly deployed units will receive this new rifle first, and this will trickle down.

People's Guard units report that even if the KF15 isn't better than the KF11, it will push the removal of ancient AK-74s, and -47s from Civil Defense arsenals to be replaced with newer AK-104s, or even the KF11 into more important secondary units.

As for the APC, Gatling Guns use ammo too quickly, I suggest a chain gun, or perhaps a rotary cannon.

Try to stay away from Aluminum armour, while it is much lighter, it has a tendency to burst into flame


Yes gatling guns are pointless outside of a pure anti aircraft role as are rotary cannons (since they are the same as gatling guns) and revolver guns. An externally powered gun or "chain gun" is generally a good choice if a little heavy an bulky compared to a decent long recoil cannon.

If you want a very accurate ground target only weapon thena logn recoil mechanism is the way to go but if you want a bit of multirole capability then the dialable rate of fire of a chain gun is prefferable.

Aluminim armour is perfectly fine if you only ever expect to get shot at with say 7.62mm weapons, for heavier armour on a light vehicle you really have to look at composites and possibly titanium and steel if you have plenty of weight to play with.

Press Release

Despite original protests that the KF15 'Fulcrum' wouldn't be effective as the KF11 'Higgs' 7.62 Caseless, the extra length which means extra propellant, along with the development of a Tungsten round amazed researchers by showing nearly 75% improvement in penetration of human flesh at medium ranges, and a 58% gain in penetration of Kevlar with ceramic inserts at all ranges.

Infantry men like its reduced weight, increased ammo capacity, good flash hider, and comfort.

"Most comfortable rifle I've ever used. Many say this should be an ancillary concern, but it is extremely important to the ground pounder who has to use this thing."

- Private Uqbar, 104th People's Guard

Many are extremely pleased and believe its increased cost is a non-issue, as the improvements are entirely worth it.

Elite units and foreignly deployed units will receive this new rifle first, and this will trickle down.

People's Guard units report that even if the KF15 isn't better than the KF11, it will push the removal of ancient AK-74s, and -47s from Civil Defense arsenals to be replaced with newer AK-104s, or even the KF11 into more important secondary units.I sold you production rights, not the right to change the technical designation. =/

Integer;11977142']I sold you production rights, not the right to change the technical designation. =/

The G2A4 conflicts with the G2A4 White Phosphorous Grenade we used. And all previous assault rifles used the KF designation including the AK-104, as the KF7.

I apologize.

Integer;11977142']I sold you production rights, not the right to change the technical designation. =/

Technically he could name it whatever he wants in his own military, that's happened quite frequently. :: sorry just sticking up for him ::

The G2A4 conflicts with the G2A4 White Phosphorous Grenade we used. And all previous assault rifles used the KF designation including the AK-104, as the KF7.

I apologize.Naw its fine, I need to lay off the crack. Layarteb is right.

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I would recommend that you open up a storefront. You now have a basic understanding of small arms design and theory, as evidenced by the G2A4, and you could develop a Light Machinegun and possibly a Marksman's Rifle rather easily, using the G2A4 as a base. That would remove your constant need for "bumping" this thread.

[Hmm, doesn't sound too bad. Only problem is today is Turkey day and I don't really have much time to write up more specs for more successful Light Machine Guns, and Sniper variants of this gun.]

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These things for sale? ;)

These things for sale? ;)[Yessir they are. =]]]

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200 black G2A4s in black please.200 in thumb-hole and 200 in pistol-grip.I'm also willing to pay 820 million USD for the production rights of the weapon.

200 black G2A4s in black please.200 in thumb-hole and 200 in pistol-grip.I'm also willing to pay 820 million USD for the production rights of the weapon.http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/integer.jpg

[:: Official Integerian Government Communications Relay ::]

[:: Body ::]
All weapons are being loaded onto a Cargo Barge as we speak. It will leave port not longer than an hour and we accept your deal for the production rights. Files are attached when received are ready to download from secure 512QKb, VPN, Tunnel, FTP Server. Pleasure doing business with you.

[Attached Files - G2A4 Blueprints]

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OOC: I am probably going to sell the G2A4 as the KF15 'Fulcrum' with a large markup and send you 5% of the purchase price. In the end that will probably be 50% of the profit from the gun. Do you mind?

OOC: I am probably going to sell the G2A4 as the KF15 'Fulcrum' with a large markup and send you 5% of the purchase price. In the end that will probably be 50% of the profit from the gun. Do you mind?[Nope =]]

Oh,and while the others are being produced,can i order a further 8000 in pistol grip and 10000 in thumbhole.I will pay accordigly.

Oh,and while the others are being produced,can i order a further 8000 in pistol grip and 10000 in thumbhole.I will pay accordigly.http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/integer.jpg

[:: Official Integerian Government Communications Relay ::]

[:: Body ::]
Of couse, they are being shipped as requested. We are expecting payment accordingly.


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i'm paying,i'm paying!

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Make a new weapon, perhaps your version of the underbarrel grenade launcher.

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OOC you still in A secret experiment. A deadly virus. A fatal mistake. or are you out