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Can cyborgs be allowed in MT. MT is supposed to be anything feasible by 2050 right? Well the cyborgs from SkyNet in terminator started up in 2003, and by 2017 they were well under way pacifying human resistance. So, if I was to make a T-200 "Scarecrow" type of cyborg, would I be able to, or would everyone start crying?

http://www.goingfaster.com/term2029/T200techdata.html

No.

I thought it was by twenty-fifteen?

Precisely, MT usually cuts it between 2010-2015. Then the early stages of PMT start. At least as I understand it.

So... No. Just no. Your endless supply of mercs is bad enough, Blackhelm.

This is a totally fictional thing, anyway. At least people with the pretenses of MT have things in theoretical development right now.

Can cyborgs be allowed in MT. MT is supposed to be anything feasible by 2050 right? Well the cyborgs from SkyNet in terminator started up in 2003, and by 2017 they were well under way pacifying human resistance. So, if I was to make a T-200 "Scarecrow" type of cyborg, would I be able to, or would everyone start crying?

If I were to smack you, would you start crying?

Can cyborgs be allowed in MT.

No.

Actually, I lie. Tis free-form RP. However, they're technologically impossible with MT technology.

Well the cyborgs from SkyNet in terminator started up in 2003, and by 2017 they were well under way pacifying human resistance.

Arnold Schwarzenegger is not a good measure of technological development. Neither are Blue Steel, Captain Magenta, Alien, Transformers, or Battlefield 2142.

So, if I was to make a T-200 "Scarecrow" type of cyborg, would I be able to, or would everyone start crying?

People would point out the painfully obvious facts about cyborgs, mainly that they suck. They run into the same problems as mecha, except they're smaller and lack an intelligent human controlling them. PLUS they are more expensive than a smaller, more compact unit.

Honestly, it's as feasible as Robocop, and as much as I loved the movies, the wankage necessary for Robocop to work makes babies cry.

I think you have a pretty consistent opinion here Blackhelm.

Hell No!!!!

Relax people, I never said I was gong to use them, it was just a question, geez.

Actually, it depends largely on what you want to get out of cybernetics. They've perfected prosthetics that give sensory feedback to their wearer, as well as offering full control. I'll find you a link to the site.

Artificial organs have also been created, such as replacement hearts, joints, etc. They're all expensive, but they can be used. Bone replacements, subdermal armor plating (THIN armor plating), they're all technically possible, although very, VERY expensive.

Full cyber conversion, however, is generally out of the question, and androids are as well.

EDIT: Oh, and there's a VERY large difference between cyborgs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyborg) and androids. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androids) Please, get it right.

I don't think so.

The farthest (IMHO) you can get in MT is Space Colonies.

Cyborgs are possible in labor (as you see in someplaces today), but not in the Army. Of course, this is all IMHO.

Er, No Endorse, cyborgs are humans that are artificially enhanced, not robots. O_o

I don't know why you would confuse them with mecha, unless you're thinking of those silly Warhammer 40k things.

Also, there are no cyborgs in Terminator-- just robots. The infiltrator series were covered with flesh to give themselves a more human apperance, but that was it.

Well the cyborgs from SkyNet in terminator started up in 2003, and by 2017 they were well under way pacifying human resistance.Really? Where are they?

MT doesn't include technology that someone predicted would be around in the present day. Fifty years ago people said we'd all have flying cars and take vacations on the moon by the year 2000. But just try booking a trip on the Pan Am Clipper to Tycho Base and you'll see what those predictions were worth.

Really? Where are they?

MT doesn't include technology that someone predicted would be around in the present day. Fifty years ago people said we'd all have flying cars and take vacations on the moon by the year 2000.

We probably would be if we had *any* competition the space exploration front nowadays.

Summary of an article on prosthetics with sensory feedback and control. (http://www.springerlink.com/content/4552j4q057370606/)
One of the first men to receive controllable prosthetics. (http://www.ric.org/bionic/)

An article by a scientist pioneering the field of MMI (man-machine interface). (http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.02/warwick.html)
More MMI articles. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3186850.stm)

All examples of cybernetic technology. A bit expensive currently (bionic arm is at around $6,000,000), but further development (say, by 2016?) and large scale production would lower the cost drastically. Pale Rider Arms sells the things, although I'll need to dig up the prices...

MT is technology feasible within the next 10-15 years.

Cyborgs, robots, and androids of that nature are pretty much impossible with MT. The technology neccessary just simply does not exist in MT. The grass roots are there, yes, but it would take a PMT conversion on your part, with a couple hundred years research to get the same sort of creation you speak of. If you want to go that root, I'd be more than happy to give you a helping hand, er, tenticle, since my scientists don't have hands.

However, as always, the choice is up to you. Remember though, in PMT, you wouldn't get a high quality version, like arnold, or Data, because in PMT, the technology is still pretty new and has some bugs in it.

Erm. Did you read those links I posted? Cybertech is here, and it's sufficiently advanced to replace human limbs with minimal loss in functionality. Hell, when they finally get the bugs out of the system and get the sensorum up to human standard or higher, I'm most definitely getting as much chrome as I can afford.

Er, No Endorse, cyborgs are humans that are artificially enhanced, not robots. O_o

I don't know why you would confuse them with mecha, unless you're thinking of those silly Warhammer 40k things.

Also, there are no cyborgs in Terminator-- just robots. The infiltrator series were covered with flesh to give themselves a more human apperance, but that was it.

err......

They run into the same problems as mecha, except they're smaller and lack an intelligent human controlling them.
Mecha have:
1) terrible complexity, to rival the delicate cybernetic parts you might shove into someone
2) HORRID power requirements (look at what current artificial arms need.... then multiply it by enough to make it worthwhile for combat applications in cybernetics)
3) impossible to armor surfaces (Let's face it: Mecha, Walkers, Cyborgs, heck, even people are impossible to sufficiently armor. You can do what you can, but you can either armor them, or have them move.)


Cyborgs are worse, because the human inside them not only has to put up with being constantly plugged into a power outlet, but also has to put up with magnets, sand/grit, water, and other nasty things that screw with electronics. I imagine that they'll start to lose some sanity after a while of being cooped up in the can. :P





Otagia, the power requirements are massive, and the strength and control of these limbs is not equal to the original limb. The end result is that the user plugs it in every night, kind of hard for a soldier who may be marooned on a constant battlefield. Also, they're terribly delicate.

You might start getting semi useful stuff in LATE PMT, like heavy lifting suits at harbors. But for now, it's too expensive, too power consuming, too delicate, too weak, and too difficult to use for easy combat adaptation.

We probably would be if we had *any* competition the space exploration front nowadays.

More like we would if a focus wasn't so orientated on finding new ways to blow the hell out of each other....