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So, just some postering that Austria can't really do anything with?

Its been a little while, were's Fleur?

OOC: I'll probably post Saturday

Do you see the problem? It takes no effort or pain by a nation to type the words “Black Flag Class.” I, however, in both my nations, have spent countless hours getting to know the merits of one system over another.
Tsar Wingert the Great.

Hey hey hey, I take offense to that. I'm going to detail my ships later on, but I really haven't had the time and I'm not that knowledgeable about naval technology...(If anyone could help me design an aircraft carrier that'd be dandy)

OOC: Hey, hey, the cruise missiles were specifically mentioned, and they were a type considered obsolete in the real world, by Russia, years ago. Yugoslavia couldn't be expected to take great losses to obsolete Russian missiles just because Russia has lately done a lot of research into missile technology. They still launched obsolete ones from archaic platforms. If Russia used modern cruise missiles then I'm sure Yugoslavia would suffer more damage. Maybe next time, eh?

I think that Yugoslavia's low losses on the eastern front of the air war were down largely to the impression that Russian fighters initially were not going aggressively after the JNA's fighters, which were sitting back and intercepting missiles and firing at stand-off range against bombers (i.e. likely from beyond the range at which fighters can down one another, but at which lumbering cold war heavy bombers can be downed by fighters). They weren't coming out to actively engage Russian fighters, presumably because they knew they'd be outnumbered. As has been said, the war was only a few days old, so any shift to greater aggression by Russian fighters would only just have been begining to tell on Yugoslav fighter losses.

The Russian ships... I'm quite aware of their capabilities, and already posted at length about them. Most of them are totally out of the class of Indian Soviet and some other European and Quinntonian designs. Others are a lot closer. But they're the ones that are slightly behind the opponent's warships. The rest are far behind and almost akin to wooden ships of the line coming up against an ironclad.

I want to... well, I wonder if some people don't buy too much into western cold war propaganda aggrandising the Soviet menace, which in reality didn't ammount to much, either in intent or capability (size -but generally not really quality- of WMD arsenal aside). Q. does play a super power in the first-tier sense. But it isn't Russia. Quinntonia can match just about anybody in just about anything, just about anywhere. Russia isn't the same thing. It has always sucked at fighting 'away from home', and there's little evidence to suggest a change in that. Quinntonia can go head to head with the Indian Soviets, but Russia should stick to fighting Eastern Europeans and Central Asians.

And the Black Flag Class is a fully specified warship which has exhibited shortcomings many times in RP, leading to a run of only two hulls and the decommissioning of one after battle damage in the Coral Sea. I think that the INU has its guns, now. I don't know quite what you're getting at with that particular comment, Q. All my ships are what they are, and I know them well, their systems, capabilities, and complaints. And I've shared much of that information with TCB, who will be leading the naval action off West Africa.

Doesn't the Tsar have 50,000 recently subjugated Estonians under arms? Wouldn't most of them be shooting at him?

I'm probably not the number 1 expert by a long shot, but I would be willing to lend a hand, AC. For the Combine? Perhaps they'd like to pool resources on the Soviet carrier programme, which currently has a couple of hulls building, and come up with a modified Combine version of what is supposed to be a technological match for Britain's currently world-leading Queen Elizabeths.

Sweet Fleur-

Now, this is all fun, but haven't we been over this a couple thousand times? Besides, you're cluttering up the thread...

Kay, the Russians aren't hurling rocks at you guys! If a target is "painted" with laser targeting, that missiles gonna hit it, whether it hits within a foot or a meter, that target's toast! Obsolete or not, it still has a pretty destructive force, don't try to deny that! You seem to be grossly undervalueing these missiles to be WWII bombs!

And BG, did you read Quinn's post on his attack on Yugoslavia, his fighters were seeking out Slav fighters, there were looking for a fight! What all this really comes down to is that you are looking for every way in which you minimize the damage you take to the point where it becomes unrealistic. However, this is something we are all guilty of, but many of us try to make it in the realm of realism. The undervaluing of Russian tech stretches into the realm of being unrealistic.

(Is unrealistic even a word? :confused: )

The only cruise missile that I directly referenced was the KH-22, which is seen as obsolete by today’s standards, though the problems that it faced with undercarriage bounce are again mostly due to poor maintenance and even poor quality control. Nevertheless, the weapon itself was and even still is quite good in that it is a guided missile that is able to find its targets and destroy them with reasonable accuracy. The obsolete part comes with the idea that it is not integratable with in-air computer systems and so on; it is not referencing a loss in accuracy and destructive capability. However, with the targets being painted and guided in from the ground, hey become very accurate, and this is a standard tactic in most modern militaries.

Nevertheless, even this was a mistake, as I meant to be referencing the KH-55, which is far better for various reasons. Normally it would have been used to deliver nuclear warheads, but with conventional warheads it would have been able to deliver a warhead of over 1000 lbs. up to 2500 kms away. It has a CEP of 150 m using conventional methods, but with guidance from the ground it would be able to reduce that to within a few meters. A warhead of that size, even exploding several meters away, would be more than enough to level pretty much anything it was fired at. And, of course these items would be normally fired in clusters at heavy concentrations of (insert name here). For instance, we could fire at Belgrade airfields, and probably be quite effective, but without ground painting we would not be able to hit specific groups of planes. With it, we might be able to destroy a few aircraft on the field or an AA installation.

As for my reference to the “Black Flag Class” it was just the only one that came to mind when I was typing, I was making a generalisation about all made-up techs, not just that one.

Though, again, the comment that my RL ships are like wooden ships compared to ironclads is what I am talking about in the first place. Saying that you “know” your ships is of no comfort to me, because there is simply no objective way that they can be compared with anything else. Also, your claim to “know” the capabilities of these Soviet ships is also of no comfort to me, because I also make this claim and we are at a divergence of opinion, so there seems to be no authority on this matter that we can all agree on.

Do you see the problem? What is to stop me from just tying the word “Tsarist Class Cruiser” when I am replacing the losses to my fleet? And following that with a claim that it is the pre-eminent cruiser in the world, at least two decades ahead of anything anyone else is making. It is that easy. And no one can argue it. After all, I would “know” its capabilities and RPs as such.

Tsar Wingert the Great.

And the thread gets even more cluttered...

OOC: Because, Q, you would then be using future tech in A Modern World, that's what's to stop you. The only reason that Russian ships stand to get plastered against Indian ships is that Indian ships are cutting edge modern and Russian ships are no where near it.

Russia could start trying to turn out modern ships -but not future tech ones- to catch up. (Though I might wonder if they have the capability given that the AMW USSR suffered even more than the RL one, fell harder, lost more, got nuked, evacuated some industry to a country that since turned hostile for years, lost key commercial and marine facilities to Lyong, went through a destructive war on corruption, a coup, a blue-blood threat to the still infant attempt to introduce capitalism, lost a lot of trade with a lot of the world, then flung itself into war, and so on.)

As to the missiles, well, there you go, you claimed to be using the wrong missiles, and the rest of us aren't mind readers, so that's where much of the confusion arose.

On the attack on Yugoslav fighters, that was a change in tactics, wasn't it, some time into a few-days-old war, and may have come, I think, after Yugoslavia's reference to just two L-20 losses on the front, didn't it? I was vaguely aware of the change, but since it can't have been more than a fe days ago, and probably coincided with the arrival of a couple of Soviet squadrons, I assume that Yugoslavia's air force still has a lot left in it.

And you can certainly strike at Belgrade, but not without CS-400 Red Sky going active over the city ;)

I'm just wondering, when was it that the League first invaded Malta? And did they shoot at the Al Khalis while they were doing it?

BG, you should go back and find the post where Quinn stated he was sending airstrikes into Yugoslavia. If you do, you will find that it came about two or three pages before Yugoslavia talked about his L-20 losses.

And actually, I don't have Malta, but I do have an airbase there. Shown here. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeronautica_Militare#Bases)

Hail Caesar!

So, let's continue this on an OOc thread.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12311332#post12311332

Tsar Wingert the Great.

Sounds fine- I'm laying out all my troops at Vienna, what I'm imagining is a untried and lesser equipped Czech army dueling with the confident, mechanized, but smaller force of Drekcsler's Austria over the city. While that is occuring, your commandos are coming down in and trying to nab Drekcsler before he can get away.

I see some of my troops as having as much experience as Austrian troops, who fought in Africa. They gained this experience by fighting with Quinntopia. You probably have more veteran troops. However, this advantage is balanced out by my far larger numbers. Sure most of the troops are conscripts and don't have good weapons. But this doesn't really matter at this very second because most of the troops around Vienna are Regular or Reserve troops equipped with pretty good weapons. Even conscripts are not too horrible and have weapons from the cold war era. They are heavily mechanized as they kept much of the tanks left in Czech Republic from Soviets. In addition, they upgraded some of the old tanks to newer generations in my one elite division. I do not think it is possible for Austria to repulse the Czechs without the Tsar's support. You might be able to do a swift attack and penetrate my lines and try and get him out though.

Rooftop battle

In Combat Helicopters
The “Devil’s Chariots” as nicknamed by Afgan rebels proved their worth as their heavy armament resisted small arms fire like oil sheds water. 2 machineguns aimed at the door and cut down scores of Austrians who came out through the while the last two worked at eliminating any remaining Austrians on the rooftop. As soon as the troop transports unloaded the helicopters rose into the sky far above the range of any of the Panzerfaust 5 missiles and left the men to some very bitter fighting.

In Transport Helicopters
As the Czech helicopter missiles exploded on the rooftop, they cleared most of the resistance on the top of the roof but mainly succeeded in alerting the entire building to their arrival, hardly a fitting start for a covert operation. The Czechs started unloading their 96 men onto the rooftop when bullets begin hitting the transport as bearded men begin pouring out of the rooftop entrance. The Czechs see scruffy pasty white men with yellow sweat stains underneath the armpits of their uniforms and it is obvious they have been living in this building for quite some time. The Czech elite troops cross themselves and prepare themselves for what will be one difficult fight. They empty out their transports and immediately engage what is left of the Austrians. The smoke provided them some protection but already a tenth of their unit was dead clearing the rooftop.

As the helicopters fly into the sky the elite troops wait for the Austrians to stop pouring out of the door and then enter into the building. They know some of the buildings layout from intel gathered, but it was far from perfect and many surprises likely await them. The basic layout, as the Czechs understand it, top levels heavily guarded followed by a couple of floors adapted for feeding Drekscler’s men. After these floors, Drekscler office was just behind, although it was any mans guess whether Drekscler was now after the whole building had been alerted to the Czech’s presence.

In Vienna

“Orders have changed boys!!!” The loud and obnoxious staff sergeant yells over the radio. “Apparently Drekscler has found out about our troops coming to hang his scrawny little neck and is preparing to flee. Our job is prevent that from happening. Lets see how arrogant he is with one of us dog lovers tying a rope to his pretty little neck.”

The troop convey travels behind 5 MBT with a 5 following behind. The T-72s are virtually invulnerable with reactive armor to any of the antitank weapons in Vienna. However the APCs are vulnerable from attacks from above. So far surprise carried them far into Vienna, but they would find it very difficult to get out in a city full of Austrian malcontents. They have gotten close to Drekscler’s headquarters but would they, and other transport be able to get there before he left? The troop transports were forced to split up into smaller groups to prevent Drekscler from getting out. It made them vulnerable but was necessary even though Klaus would be cursing afterwards for the loss of equipment adding to the already enormous cost of this war.

OOC: K that’s all for now. Lets do a couple more posts within Vienna before worrying about outside of it. Its just too distracting.

Rooftop battle

In Combat Helicopters
The “Devil’s Chariots” as nicknamed by Afgan rebels proved their worth as their heavy armament resisted small arms fire like oil sheds water. 2 machineguns aimed at the door and cut down scores of Austrians who came out through the while the last two worked at eliminating any remaining Austrians on the rooftop. As soon as the troop transports unloaded the helicopters rose into the sky far above the range of any of the Panzerfaust 5 missiles and left the men to some very bitter fighting.

As the Czech attack helicopters sped off from the confrontation zone, they should have been praying that the considerable Osterreichische Luftstreitkrafte presence in Innsbruck would for some reason fall asleep at the wheel, per say, and let the undefended helicopters a chance to escape. Sadly, their prayers went unheeded as a dozen Eurofighters screamed of their runways to intercept the helicopters beating a hasty retreat to Czech air-zones and the few still twittering at Drekcsler's residence of choice.

To make matters 'better' for the Czechs, Drekcsler's mode of transportation would get there within a few minutes. 10 Eurocopters would be approaching the building from the north, 4 from the south, 2 from the east and 5 from the west.

At this point, you give a slaute to the brave Czech assasins, because now the chance of actually escaping looks very slim.

=Fleur]
In Transport Helicopters


Ballhausplatz 2:
After losing about half a dozen men in their ill-fated charge to repulse the initial landing, and another dozen shot on the roof the Iron Fist decided to play it safe with their reamining troops. So no more charges, no more casualty inducing firefights, just some good hit and run tactics as they stalled for time.

One of the first things to do was block and reinforce several of the doors against the Czechs. Spreading themselves out would hardly do them good, and so they made sure the Czechs' only entranceways were ones they could easily defend against.

In the bowels of the building Drekcsler started his escape, the garage*, which contained a selection of highly valuable Mercedes and AMW cars, had new occupants: A specially designed group of Dpkz IIIs (Leapord 2A6) who had sacrificed speed for armor and firepower. With a rumble, one of strength and power, they started up and left the building, their destination was another building, formerly thought to privately owned, which was to be the destination for a select few of the Eurocopters.


In Vienna

((I'm more then a little confused as to why they have broken up, before they have even reached Ballhausplatz square.))

Any military planner could tell you cities ate tanks for breakfast, lunch and dinner. They ate a tank as fast as they ate whole regiments, that is to say, they ate all in the blinking of an eye. Especially European cities, all narrow and tall they were the prime location for any sort of anti-tank weapon, and now matter how many times theY army convinced itself that their tanks were 'impenetrable' the enemy will always prove them wrong. Especially if they did a stunt like this.

Within a handful of minutes a detachment of anti-tank artillery pieces, merely regular 155mms with armor piercing shells, a platoon of Panzerfaust laden Bundesheer ground troops and several Dpkz III's converged on the main and prepared to do battle at the Rufgasse-Nussdorfer Strasse intersection.

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/779/250pxdscf1154ls8.th.jpg (http://img254.imageshack.us/my.php?image=250pxdscf1154ls8.jpg)
Picture taken by a amatuer photographer-
A Dpkz III advances down one of the few open streets of Vienna, ready to engage the infidels at a moment's notice.

OOC: My Czech soldiers broke up to try and get Drekscler. They have no reliable intel on where he is and are trying their hardest to catch them, even if it means high casualties. I was just giving you a chance to have Drekscler escape and hide in the city. I’m am going to have to read up on some of the military tactics before replying with my surface to air missiles and 30 Gripens and 100 Aeros

EDIT: Aeros... who, as previously stated, are currently circling the city.

OOC: My Czech soldiers broke up to try and get Drekscler. They have no reliable intel on where he is and are trying their hardest to catch them, even if it means high casualties. I was just giving you a chance to have Drekscler escape and hide in the city. I’m am going to have to read up on some of the military tactics before replying with my surface to air missiles and 30 Gripens and 100 Aeros

EDIT: Aeros... who, as previously stated, are currently circling the city.

So, basically, you send troops straight to him the first time, and when you send a second wave you don't know where he is, even though you do? That's what I don't get.

Then it wouldn't be any fun if Drekcsler disappears, this is some good character driven RP that AMW China says we ned around here.

Well, that brings up some interesting questions. If all 100 of your Aeros are circling the city, how hard would it be, you think, for a surface to air missle, or some more conventional ack-ack, to hit them? It seems like the Austrians would have a harder time not hitting anything then hitting a Czech plane.

Also, what about flight time and logistics, you can't just say 'My whole airfoce is around Vienna, deal with it.' Your planes must land, take on more fuel, and fly back and they all can't do that at the same time.

OOC: I intended 5 attacks to be a diversion while the elite people come and take him out. But then I screwed that up and didn't want to start god moding and pretending my guys have more information than possible. But I probably screwed up with the Panzerhaust 3 which can penetrate reactive armour. But its not like you would have 1 million of the Special forces weapon in Vienna.

My Aero L-159s fly above the range of Panzerfaust 3, which are normally anti tank weapons. Yeah you might be able to get with shipping in a couple of tanks but I don't think you would have been able to get any large surface to air weapons into the city as the front was crumbling.

The Aero L-159s aren't great and are basically trainers although they can be used as fighters. They can be deployed from pretty much any airstrip. Gripens apparently are pretty cheap to maintain and are "Capable of operating from simple road bases and dispersed bases with the minimum of maintenance personnel and ground support equipment" so they can probably be deployed from any remaining conquered air strips. Vienna is only about 50 km from the Czech Republic and Gripens have a range of over 1200km so deploying them for a couple of hours over Vienna should not be a problem. The other half of my air force is on the ground in case they need to be called up.

Prague

The Dassault Martel, the Kingdom of France’s stealth terror-bomber, the finely made prototype, slipped over Prague during a moonfleet night. A massive sonic boom announced its arrival from mach speed.

Unless the Czech’s had a first line satellite or radar system unoccupied with their near total commitment against the brave Austrians it is nearly impossible that it would even be detected. Certainly no one could link it with any state. At any rate discovery of the craft would be irrelevant, for it would only stay above Prague for half a minute.

Sliding over the city the bomb bay doors opened, and a shiny carousel dropped down with six laser guided bombs in its tubes, 5,000 lbs a piece. The pilot and bombardiers face were hidden by thick black visors and an oxygen unit over the chin fitted for extreme high altitudes, but reflections of the targeting computers glittered against the obsidian masks. When they reached the point of release, the carousel began to spin impossibly quick, sending all six bombs down like glittering Cherubim diving down from on high. It took only about a second for all six bombs to be released, and they zipped down in an eerily precise formation straight away.

The Martel was at mach speeds again before the bombs had reached the half way point, leaving with the same massive and technologically induced sonic boom with which it had arrived.

Soaring down impossibly, blindingly, fast now the bombs zoomed towards their targets. Two hurtled down at the Czech Parliament, the combined 10,000 lbs of enhanced explosives would do more than upset the illegal gathering of the bellicose Czechs. One hurtled down towards the cities main water treatment facility, while they other crashed toward the electric plant. Of the remaining two one was targeted at the center of the city’s
sprawling rail yard, packed with trains no doubt to support the war effort. And the last bomb careened toward no less a target Prague’s communications relay hub.

As one, the bombs would hit and detonate.

Sorry about not getting back, this fell through the cracks. I didn't even notice you replied until NG posted his bombing raid.

The southern bits of the city are still happily, just forget about the artillery shells and air strikes occurring every now and again, bustling along. I know you try to imbue your posts with as many mentions of 'crumbling' as you can, but I still don't see it. The southern half of the city is fine, pretty much everything south of the Danube is in fine shape, and new, hardened men are coming from Hungary. Yes, you have a numeric superiority, but in the, if not rugged, then at least hilly ground to the north of Vienna and Vienna itself you can only have so many of your men on the offense. You could try to make only standing room in your portions of the city, and have your attacks with men shoulder to shoulder, but I hardly think the casualties resulting from that would be, in an way, comparable to how much ground you take.

As mentioned above, I feel that you have only a slight grip tot he north of the city, and maybe some of the eastern portions (if you look on Google Earth, there is to main highways, north-east and north which are the ones I summarize your advancing from). Meaning I can just funnel supplies into the city, in the form of missiles for my Matra Mistral's and any repaired ones fixed near the Swiss-Austrian border. That is, of course, not mentioning the anti-air craft weapons already blanketing the city. You cannot honestly try to make anyone believe that the Austrians decided to do without all their air defense measures for their capital just because it is being fought over. So, really, post some Aero losses or something, because, like you said, they're just trainers anyhow.

OOC- C’mon Austria, your nation is basically a series of craters, with burning and crumbling building punctuating the landscape. I think Fleur might be slightly underestimating your ability to mount a defence, but you are WILDLY overestimating it. You have pretty much zero industrial capacity at this stage, and you have had almost one soldier for every citizen trying to kill each other in your very, very, small nation for a couple of weeks. I think that you can still fight this thing, and maybe even pull it out of the pooper, but you need to start playing as a desperate government with their backs to the wall and no options left, not as someone who still holds all of the cards. I think that would make for a more interesting RP anyways, especially with your skill at character development, so why not run with it.

I am not saying that you lose, but right now you ARE losing. So, play it from that angle. Claw your way back into this thing with tenacity and grit. The Czechs can be pushed back, but you need to take seriously the bad position that you are in, and respond accordingly. You may even need to mount a retreat and launch a counter-attack from a stronger position, because with all of the movement that your military has done, and the non-stop, without rest fighting that has been going on since they invaded Hungary, they are tired, hungry, low on ammunition and supplies, and disorganised. They need a morale boost in a big way, but the French may have just supplies that to you.

WWJD
Amen.

OOC: A base in Malta? Well, the Royal Navy might have a thing or two to say about that. But we'll see.

OOC: A base in Malta? Well, the Royal Navy might have a thing or two to say about that. But we'll see.

Wrong thread? But anyway, feel free to TG me with your thoughts.

No, he's talking about me, a few pages back I said I had an air base in Malta.

OOC- C’mon Austria, your nation is basically a series of craters, with burning and crumbling building punctuating the landscape. I think Fleur might be slightly underestimating your ability to mount a defence, but you are WILDLY overestimating it. You have pretty much zero industrial capacity at this stage, and you have had almost one soldier for every citizen trying to kill each other in your very, very, small nation for a couple of weeks. I think that you can still fight this thing, and maybe even pull it out of the pooper, but you need to start playing as a desperate government with their backs to the wall and no options left, not as someone who still holds all of the cards. I think that would make for a more interesting RP anyways, especially with your skill at character development, so why not run with it.

I am not saying that you lose, but right now you ARE losing. So, play it from that angle. Claw your way back into this thing with tenacity and grit. The Czechs can be pushed back, but you need to take seriously the bad position that you are in, and respond accordingly. You may even need to mount a retreat and launch a counter-attack from a stronger position, because with all of the movement that your military has done, and the non-stop, without rest fighting that has been going on since they invaded Hungary, they are tired, hungry, low on ammunition and supplies, and disorganised. They need a morale boost in a big way, but the French may have just supplies that to you.

WWJD
Amen.

Okay, okay, I'll take it to heart.

Quinn knows how I roll, just need to bring me back to Earth every now and again.

OOC: Are you using a city map of Vienna? Can you give me a link? How many of the disposable Panzerfaust 5 do you presume to have? Yeah I know what you mean about Quinn, he does have that tendency to ground a person in reality.


Eurofighters attacked by CAP
As the Eurofighter close in on the copters, ignoring the 30 Gripens and 100 Aeros in the air, the Gripens and the two SA-6 and one SA-8 batteries remain silent until the last moment to allow all three batteries and Gripens to fire at the same moment. While the 10 Eurofighters approach the copters seemingly oblivious to nothing else but their rage, the Czechs fire their missiles. The SA-8 capable of tracking 2 Eurofighters simultaneously fire four 9K33M3 missiles and the two SA-6 fire eight 3M9 KUB missiles. Half of the Gripens(10) proceed to attack the Eurofighters and fire 15 Meteor missiles at the rage blinded Eurofigthers. The other half of the Gripens and all the Aeros are held in reserve for any remaining Austrian attempts to penetrate the Czech cordon around the city.

In total the Austrians face 27 missiles.

Inside the Eurocopters the Czech assassins wait nervously and hope they will be alive to see their families at daybreak.

Land battle

The ground behind the Czechs was littered with the remains of many tanks and hundreds of dead Czechs. The Czech soldiers sacrificed many their lives and their comrades in the pursuit of only one man, Herr Drekscler. They were determined to make sure their sacrifice did not go in vain and only the death of Drekscler would appease their mighty wrath. Still, the Czechs tryied to minimize the casualties by sending the occasional Javelin or RPG-7 into a building. Gone were the days of Czech niceties. The death sounds of Austrians, although far fewer, accompanied the death groans of the Czechs.

The Czechs proceed to Ballhausplatz, taking heavy casualties when they, beyond the scream of dying Czechs and the sound of gunfire, hear the rumble of a tank. This surprises the Czechs but they are beginning to be surprised less by the artifices of the Austrians after weeks of fighting and living among them. The Czech begin to experience heavy resistance and slow down significantly. The Czechs, according to plan, slowed down and began to proceed slowly and for the first time entering and clearing building before proceeding. Any Austrian carrying a firearm, or caught in the possession of a firearm would be shot, no matter the excuse. All the Czech soldiers had committed the face of Drekscler to memory and were determined that he would not escape in the city. The Czechs now posted men at regular intervals to prevent from being hit in the backside and also to prevent any of Dreksclers men from escaping. Anyone found moving on the streets was shot.

The rumble of the tanks is heard by a company of Czech soldiers slowly proceeding towards the square via the Rufgasse-Nussdorfer Strasse intersection. They radio their findings. They are told to stay put and wait for a company of Jan Huss with a couple of FGM-148 Javelins. When the Jan Huss arrive they continue their path to the intersection. Upon sighting the tank they use the tactics of their Austrian rivals and infiltrate the buildings. They lay a guard a bottom and proceed to take over one of the buildings. When they see the few Austrian tanks rumbling towards the intersection they repeat a lesson they were taught about the survivability of tanks in the city. The Czechs would eat those tanks for breakfast, lunch and dinner. They would fire one Javelin missiles and then run to the next room and repeat.

OOC: I look forward to your next post. Take your time, its going to be another week before I post so you don’t have to rush.

I got grounded, and still am to a certain extent, so I'm not going to reply till this weekend. Oh, and please, try to hold in your attitude, I'm pretty done with your thinly veiled insults.

Huh? Can someone explain to me what he is talking about?

I got grounded, and still am to a certain extent, so I'm not going to reply till this weekend. Oh, and please, try to hold in your attitude, I'm pretty done with your thinly veiled insults.

Sorry to hear that, but what did you mean? Were you talking to me, him, THE VOICES? LOL!

Yeah, bummer on the grounded thing, I think Fluer told me he is crazy busy anyways, so you shouldn't be worried, this conflict will go as slowly/as fast as you want it to.

WWJD
Amen.

Sorry to hear that, but what did you mean? Were you talking to me, him, THE VOICES? LOL!

Yeah, bummer on the grounded thing, I think Fluer told me he is crazy busy anyways, so you shouldn't be worried, this conflict will go as slowly/as fast as you want it to.

WWJD
Amen.

It's the voices, for sure.

I've somehow lost my writing ability, so sorry for the even more continued delay, but I'm just here to say my hiautus is officially up and I am able to touch my computer, once again.

On the Austrian Front

A cold breeze spread across the nape of the Czech soldier. He had been sent to this area many months ago and he wondered if he would ever go back home. Like so many other nights prior, this night was also quiet. Dreadfully quiet. There was no sign of anything stirring. The Czech yawned and rubbed his eyes. He frowned and tried to remember why they were still here. The war was still going on but the real fighting had ended months ago.

The Czechs invaded the North and managed to surround the major Austrian cities just south of the Danube before the eventual counter attack occurred. They took losses but managed to hold onto their possessions. The battle of Vienna ended in a decisive success for the Czechs as Drekscler and his high ranked commanders were captured despite extremely heavy Czech casualties. Numerous monuments were built all over the Czech Republic to commemorate what later became known as the Battle of the Bloody Streets. With the death of their leader, the Austrians were demoralized and Trugen was unable to restore order and throw out the Czechs. The attacks against the Czechs diminished daily while they continued to entrench around the major cities. The cities eventually surrendered due to lack of food. They were embraced into the newly proclaimed Austrian Republic headed by none other than Maxen when they delivered all the Drekscler supporters to the Czech forces. Attacks became less frequent and the Czech began a slow demobilization procedure. Due to government incentives and land grants, many of the former soldiers stayed in the Austrian North where they could be called up at a moments notice. Attacks on the government gradually decreased and life in North gradually settled back to normal.

A sharp sound interrupted the quiet of the night and brought the soldier back to reality. He looked around anxiously and then relaxed as he saw a stray cat that had just stepped on a stick.

Vaclav Klaus Final Speech

Klaus gripped the podium with his hand and shook his other hand shaped in a fist into the sky. The cheers of the crowd reverberated back up to him.
“Sons and daughters of the Czech Republic. We were a broken people. Oppressed! Repressed! But no longer. In the time you have given me we have thrown off our oppressors and proclaimed a republic. We have rebuilt our armies. We have rebuilt our pride and we have freed our brothers! The Russian army has been kept at bay and out of our great country. We have defied great powers and have become stronger for it. Much has happened in my time in office.”

Klaus paused and the crowd roared. A countless multitude of Czech flags waved in the hands of the multitude below. The crowd cheered and began chanting Klaus…Klaus…Klaus . Klaus smiled and raised his hand. The cheer quieted down although the chanting could still be heard.

“And it is with great sadness that I now step aside. There is still much to be done but I have brought you as far as I can and it is up to you the people to finish the journey.”

Klaus shook his fist one final time and walked off the stage. The crowd cheered, although less this time. They were upset that their great leader was gone from politics.

OOC-I may have missed something, did Moor leave AMW/capitulate?

WWJD
Amen.

I do not know what Moorington is up to. His nation has disappeared and he has not posted for 2 months.

OOC-In that case we really need to discuss what is happening here. I think right now we still have Tsarist troops over half of Hungary and Czech troops over half of Austria, with the Yugoslavs pulled back, am I right?

I think that if Moor truly is gone, the Czech Republic is justified in claiming victory, though to what extent remains uncertain.

WWJD
Amen.

Well its hard to know if he is gone for sure or not. He could show up again in a couple of months or maybe not at all.

We could procede with the assumption that the Czechs took most of Austria and the Tsars continue to occupy half of Hungary. And we could leave him some of Austria and Hungary to have just in case he does come back.

Hannes

An elderly man was sitting behind a desk slouched over some papers. It was dark outside and the rest of the office staff had gone home hours ago. His secretary, a old dear, stayed longer than the rest but even she left once it became apparent the immense volume of work still left. It was not an easy matter getting people to agree, much less the uncompromising Russians. The transfer of power from one nation to another was not easy but he was hopeful that given enough time even the Russians could be persuaded to leave. After all, they say that all you need is perseverance and you can piss through stone. He shook the cobwebs out of his head and continued to study the charts, diagrams and maps in front of him.

In the morning his staff found him hunched over the desk sleeping. The young girls looked at each other and oohed and awed over him. They were quite smitten with their gentle and kind boss and apparently found it cute to find him nestled over his desk snoring gently. His staff tried not to disturb his sleep and quietly went to their cubicles and began working. One young lady went into his office and laid a blanket over him, closed the drapes, and then quietly closed the door on her way out. She even placed several blankets in front of his door to cushion the sound of his staff working.

It was noon by the time he woke up and like every day the office was busy with telephones ringing and the sound of people typing. He woke up abruptly and wiped the drool off his face with the backside of his hand. He wiped the cobwebs out of his eyes and began making a pot of coffee.

Later

His door opened and the same young lady who asked him a question opened the door.

"Yes Gretel. How can I help you?", he asked from behind the desk.

"Mr President", she began speaking but was quickly interrupted.

"Please Gretel call me Hannes", the old man told her.

Gretel smiled, curtsied, and continued talking. "Hannes, the press conference is in one hour. Is there anything that I do to help you get ready?", she asked politely.

He smiled warmly as only grandfathers can and began showing her several things that needed to be done.

Press Conference

Hearing his introduction, Hannes cleared his throat, took his cane, and walked up to the podium. Military personnel, all wearing distinctive uniforms of the three confederate states, were waiting behind the podium.

"Dear brothers and sisters. Cultural, national, and local differences threaten to separate us as they once did in the past. The Austro-Hungarian empire fell because of the decisive rise of nationalism and the failure of the elites to keep the people satisfied. Their failure to compromise and allow people freedom was a failure which destroyed their empire. This breakdown of political accommodation will not be repeated because today we come together as equals and as people looking for fresh start and a new future.

We must take each day as a new day and strive to overcome the failures and obstacles of our forefathers. I believe that we have learned from our mistakes and that we will not repeat them going forward. We must treat each day as separate from the last and realize that disunity and disorder are not part of the fundamental human condition. Humanity has a choice between the Dreksclers and Hitlers of the world, who try to excite and enflame differences and the Jesus Christs of this world who attempt to bring people together and provide for a meaningful and lasting world peace. We have an opportunity to rise above our baser natures and I implore you to join me in this endeavor." Hannes pauses, stretches his arms out wide, raises his voice slightly and asks his people to support him.

Hannes lowers his arms and returns to his previous position at the podium. He clears his throat and continues. "Let us now continue with more mundane matters. During my tenure as President of the Independent European States I have restored stability and order to previously war stricken areas. The Czech Republic has been most generous in the rebuilding efforts of Austria and Hungary and for that we all thank you. After the successful assassination of Drekscler I helped Klaus ensure that the Austrian army under Trugen would be integrated into the new armed forces of the IES. As Joint Chief of the General Staff, Trugen was invaluable in stabilizing the borders of the IES and ensuring that all peoples benefit from the reconstruction efforts of the broken Austrian state. For that I applaud Trugen and praise him for his selfless devotion to his people.”

Hannes claps his hands and the crowd joins in. Hannes continues, “Under my watch the borders have been stabilized and rebuilding of a great nation has begun. We have begun negotiating for land back and we hope to soon reclaim lands that were held by our ancestors for generations.

This is an important time for us. We must compromise and only through compromise can we hold off the baser human natures from destroying us. A house divided against itself cannot stand and we must be united in our intention to reform a prosperous and law abiding society. Begin anew my people and nothing is impossible.”

Hannes smiled, took his cane and walked off the stage.

OOC: As previously discussed Russia has half of Hungary. Does Italy still occupy any Austrian land? Yugoslavia has withdrawn right? I deliberately left the RP vague to accommodate those possibilities. I know people do not care too much about this RP anymore but it would be nice to finish it off and not have to worry about it anymore. But the way that I see it the new Independent European States (IES) would incorporate the Czech Republic, most of Austria and half of Hungary.

OOC: Italy is not occupying any land, but was going to leave once Yugoslavia trotted off.

OOC: Oh okay. I wanted to get your input on that. It would be good to get Yugoslavia's input but its looking fairly safe for me to assume control of all of Austria.

OOC Post on this, hopefully a prelude to an IC post.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread....2#post12311332

Tsar Wingert the Great.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12311332#post12311332

OOC: Alive, and well, if anyone was wondering.

Can the same be said of A Modern World? To me, I think not, it seems rather dead; however, I see no reason why I should not conclude/extend its life in one last (or first, depending on how optimistic you're feeling) post.

I know I should be playing as Spain, but that is entirely to Spanish and main-stream for me, besides, Maxen has a great body, and what's his face has stuffed himself with too many of those little jelly-donuts. Bourbon or not, there is something the Spanish king is missing when compared to my cast of, if not exactly well-written or creative, then at least entertaining characters.

Uh, this should answer some questions, and I hope this works with everyone. I'm attempting to find a good middle ground, and achieve everything which has already been agreed upon, but with my own, only somewhat, unique flair.

Just some idle comments-

Does anyone know if I ever mentioned Trugen's first name? I'm going to Wikipedia it and see what I get. Because usually, I take a historical name for my characters. Von Bismarck, obvious, Drekcsler is a different spelling of the first leader (before Hitler) of the Nazi party ect al...

IC:


Austria was occupied, Drekcsler was on the run, after narrowly avoiding capture at the hands of the Czechs in Vienna, Trugen was maintaining something of a defensive perimeter south of the Danube and right outside Graz. Maxen was coming back, to Vienna, as the newly created Volkstag elected him as new temporary leader of Austria. Chancellor was the position they promised him, but to everyone else, they were saying he was a 'People's President.' Obviously, they were keeping him slightly out of the dark as to what sort of political ideology he was going to be, supposedly, commanding. In the midst of all of this, a member of both Drekcsler's and Maxen's parliaments, widely considered the best 'smoke-filled backroom' player in Austria, if not all of Europe, Fürst Klemeins Wenzel von Metternich, has called a meeting between the both of them, and Trugen, in a attempt to get his beloved Ossterreich back on track.



Drekcsler was all pomp, Maxen was all intelligence, and Trugen was all pain. Fürst von Metternich was more than the happy host, skillfully managing a rather engaging exchange of small talk, while at the same time dancing around the rather large elephant of in the room. The fake calm of the room was ripped away, however, when a trio of Eurofighters streaked across the city's sky, their sonic-booms echoing across the tortured landscape.
"Mein friends," started von Metternich, "as you can see, our beloved Austria is not what it could be, is not what it should be, no one could have seen this happening to our once just and devote nation, no one wanted this to happen, and no one could have foreseen such devastation. Austria still has life, however, it needs a leader, it needs no more bickering, and more action, less talk, and more action. Less spectacular stunts and more energy spent helping the people. Less focus on what others think, and more what we shall think, years from now, looking back."

Maxen von Bismarck, more than a little accustomed to the long winded Metternich, cut him off before he could build much steam. "I agree, I agree, we must undoubtedly consider focusing less on flippant statements that accomplish little, and useless wars that are even worse." With a pointed look at Drekcsler, Maxen von Bismarck continued, "personally, I-"

"Shut up dummkopf, you treasonous viper! I can barely listen to your lies, and not order your execution at once!" Drekcsler spat, "I need not to suffer
your presence!"

Standing up, Drekcsler regarded Trugen and Metternich, "you two our fools to think I can discuss anything with this morally bankrupt soul, his life is forefeet, shall God have mercy on his soul!"

Trugen, who had until now, even through the almost normal small talk, had a starry, far off look to him, visibly pulled himself back to reality. "I would say the same to you Anthony, but I fear he will not be lenient, nor-"

Turning an odd, purplish, color Drekcsler screamed, "Do you not know who I am? I am God! I am the light for Austria! I am!-"

"I" finished Trugen.

"I am! I am! I am victory, I am the force of Austria, I will have victory, I will prevail, I will make Austria prevail, Austria prevails! Austria! Prevails!" Drekcsler was shouting now, his left hand twitching. "I shall have justice, I shall have order, and I shall have-"

One shot rang out, and Drekcsler was silenced. Surprise etched on every feature. He took one step, and toppled.

"Death" was all Trugen said, as he lowered his pistol.
"Mein Gott!" Exclaimed Maxen, "I believe even more heard this shot, than the one from the American Revolution. Thank goodness he is out of the way..." Noticing that Trugen had yet to set down the pistol, Maxen, finally realizing that he was not entirely pleased by the glint in his eye, decided that mortal danger was a great antidote for fixed ideas. "Trugen, I believe we should talk about this... Really. I could... Eh, become your spokesperson, or something in a low position."

"Maxen, you're not very convincing, or intelligent, when you blather." Said Trugen. "We both know what is going to happen, and what will happen, this pistol I have has only one more round, and I already know what brain it is going into."

"What happens if I say I don't? Don't know, that is."

Trugen only continued to look at Maxen, no reply was offered. He slowly raised his pistol.

"Trugen, why aren't you laughing?" Maxen asked.

Metternich couldn't help but rise to the bait, "what in hell to do you mean?"

"You cannot have slaughter, without laughter." Were Maxen’s final words to Trugen.

OOC:
Okay, I'll stop there-

Who should I kill? Maxen or Trugen? I am so undecided...