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As our great nation is reforming its military we need contracters for about anything. We expect to end up with an 120.000men strong standing army (combat strengh) and about 200.000men in support and service functions.
What we need

-4 mechanized divisions (internal security)
-2 Republican guard divisions 1 mech+1armoured division (presidents personal army and elite force)
-1 Rapid Deployment force Divison size.
-3 Police brigades
-3 Mobile launcher brigades
-2 antitank brigades
-2 airassault brigades
-2 air defensbrigades
-4 air defense squardons
-4 airtransport squardons

Divisions are expected to have between 10000 and 15000men
Brigades between 300 and 1000men.

The contracts can be split up in Equipment, logistics, traing and foreign instructors, and tech.
this is a huge project we need anything From hospital systems ,communication tech, logistic systems, small arms ammunitions,Vehicles of all kind tanks planes armouredcars.
(Instructors from nations with war experience will be preferred)
Litteraly anything

What do we have 150000 drafted servicemen and 150000 standing personnel
16armybases and 4 airbases 1 millitary acadamy
We expect to finish the reformation of the army over a 5 year period. That means that we should have the capability to train and maintain our army without help.

Minister of defense Lord Jesper B.Bækdahl

What is your county's current standard equipment? (if any?)

Offers a brief tour of PROHT storefront.

CM-26
A general purpose gun, low recoil, accurate right out of the box, inexpensive, large magazine, a bit heavy for an assault rifle though, and insanely light for a LMG, about the same heft as a Designated Marksman's rifle.

Fires 6.5 x 50 and 6.5 x 55 mm ammunition, which is getting somewhat common due to its capabilities (ballisticly it is better than 7.62 x 51 NATO, with less recoil -both terminally and externally)

HM-320
Underbarrel grenade launcher/man-portable mortar

Fires 40 x 46 mm grenades, rifle grenades, and some rockets with oversize warheads up to 155 mm*

Comes with 5 pound baseplate for use as short range heavy mortar

*WARNING* This weapon has issues with recoil when firing anything bigger than a 60 mm rifle grenade. You have been warned.

(My storefront caused many others to drop prices considerably or offer cheaper guns in reaction to the prices, as few are willing to match both my prices and quality in the same weapons, if you want cheaper, look at leafthansian's store...)

I also have some vets from Chitzeland RP, along with numerous 'black bag' operations.

We have none, we start from scratch, we have just finished buikding the bases and main facilities...we cant afford the newest, but welcome used equipment or of an older standard.

We offer you nineteen hundred officers of the Grand Imperial Jimuhn that have seen combat in our large civil war.

Cost: 500 Million possiblity of negotations.

OOC: I'm the storefront you seek. Thanks for the plug Hurtful Thoughts.

Encrypted Transmission from the Leafanistani Red Mafia

We offer the cheapest weapons in the world, along with complete secrecy about your weapons, no serial numbers, no questions asked.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=489651

Buy now and we'll throw in 6 Toyota Dyna 1 ton trucks, and 5 KPV 14.5mm Heavy Machine Guns.

Call us.

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I suggest checking my storefront, I have cheap and realiable weaponry at low prices.
All of them are of prime quality and Im sure you'll find them useful. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497107)

OOC: I'd hardly call vintage Soviet equipment "prime quality," but hey, whatever floats your boat. ;)

IC:
Pale Rider Arms would like to take this opportunity to showcase its extensive line of small arms (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9822853#post9822853) and body armor (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=505383), as well as the new Nezumi Oni Infantry Fighting Vehicle and its variants (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=506698) (currently only the Kinezumi Minelaying Vehicle). We believe that our products are perfectly suited to today's battlefield, and offer soldiers a distinct advantage over the competition.

Yours,
Daniel Quetzal
CEO of Pale Rider Arms

Doesn't limiting the type of ammo Pale Rider uses to being exclusive to only themselves hurt sales?

(6 x 50 mm HV in particular, as no other storefront offers any gun with this loading available)

Then there is the 60 mm Gyrojet...

Doesn't limiting the type of ammo Pale Rider uses to being exclusive to only themselves hurt sales?

(6 x 50 mm HV in particular, as no other storefront offers any gun with this loading available)

Then there is the 60 mm Gyrojet...

OOC: My storefront offers the UR-XX, send ammo and they simply rechamber a solid bullpup design to that round. It is a bit overpowered isn't it?

OOC: My storefront offers the UR-XX, send ammo and they simply rechamber a solid bullpup design to that round. It is a bit overpowered isn't it?

Nope, if anything, the 6.5 x 55 is overpowered.
Yet, in practical use, everybody says it has mild recoil.
Even on full auto.
Yet ballistics state that it has roughly 20% greater muzzle energy than the .308, and holds that lnger due to a better ballistic coefficent.
Bullet drop is also minimal due to the high velicities involved (sometimes surpassing even the .270)
Hence why I like the 6.5...

The Nation of -Outer-Heaven- has several surplus aircraft we would be willing to go of for an amaising price, we have;
F-16D Fighting Falcon - 400,000 USD per craft (4,500 units in surplus)
C-130J-3D - 100,000 USD per craft(250 units in surplus)
A-10 Thunderbolt II - 200,000 USD per craft (4,500 units in surplus)

we also have
Challanger II MBT - 400,000 USD (1,505 Units in surplus)


All these units were formally Asgarnuieu property and were aquirred legally, These units have not seen use since the purchase and are collecting dust in our facilities.

Ammunition can not be supplied

OOC:
Leafanistan: Belive me, you wouldn't be able to drop 6mm HV into an existing rifle, not only is it caseless but it is a highly over bore design that has some excruciating preasure issues.

HT: there is nothing wrong with using your own propriety ammo, with the sizes of armies in NS it is perfectly affordable to design a round that provides the optimal solution for your nations requirements and individual roudns tend not to be a major draw back once you persuade people away from the usual suspects. as for 6.5mm HV if Otagia really wanted i am sure he could find some people to offer alternative platforms.

IC:

To: Lord Jesper B. Bækdahl, Minister of Defence, Ruthenberg.
From: Karen Jenkins, Head of Sales, Crookfur Arms
Re: your requirements

Dear Lord Bækdahl,
On behalf of Crookfur Arms allow me to offer my warmest greatings. Currently Crookfur Arms feels able to offer equipment solutiosn for your Internal security mechanised divsions. For this requirement we would offer divsional equipment packages based around our Kudu Wheeled Armoured Fighting Vehicle platform. We propose the use of a wheeled platform due the the reduced logisitcal footprint such vehicles posses and the fact that for internal duties heavier armoured elements may not be required.

As an illustration each divsional package would contain:
CFCV-43 Kudu AGS: 232 (Armoured Gun system)
CFCV-42 Kudu AT: 86 (Anti tank=ATGM vehicle)
CFCV-40 Kudu IFV: 660
CFCV-41 Kudu SPG: 96 (105mm gun)
CFCV-39 Kudu APC: 71
CFCV-44 Kudu AA: 88
CFCV-41 Kudu LRA: 124 (light rocket artillery=24 tube 90mm launcher)
CFCV-25 Kudu C: 30
SAM8L batteries: 9
Other Vehicles: 400 (mix of land rovers, pinzaguer light trucks a and various 5ton trucks)
Goth Gunships: 16
Vandal helicopters: 8

As you can see such a formation while light and mobile would offer very amounts of fire power and if required we can ammend the equipment lsit to inlude heavier equipment if required.
Total cost for each divsional package would be $4billion.

I look forward to hearing back from you.
Your Sincerly
Karen Jenkins
Head of Sales
Crookfur Arms.

[OOC: Check out Portland Iron Works (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=457777) for whatever contract you wish to fill in.]

-2 airassault brigades
-2 air defensbrigades
-4 air defense squardons
-4 airtransport squardons

Greetings.

Aerospace Logistics can fill up all of these positions.

Assault brigade equipment will consist of a mixed complement of the best available aircraft for reasonable cost. All use license-produced airframes, but are equipped with our unified avionics suite, derived from F-22 fighter. It includes highly automated control, glass cockpits, AESA radars and EMCON system, all integrated inside the aircraft and providing link to central AWACS.

* Su-34M Fighter/Bomber (http://www.warfare.ru/?catid=257&linkid=1615) (see also detailed article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Su-34)). This highly agile multipurpose aircraft with low RCS can serve as the frontline striker and fighter for the most dangerous missions. Payload of 8 tonnes can be delivered for 800 km, and combat radius reaches 1200 km with lowered payload. Cost 35 millions per unit, crew of two.
* Tu-22M4, an improved Tu-22ME Long-Range Supersonic Bomber (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu-22M). With speed over Mach 2, payload up to 22 tonnes of bombs or missiles, and combat radius of 2400 km this supersonic bomber can fill in the heavy strike role, as well as anti-ship role with long-range missiles. For cost of 50 millions per unit it highly improves payload capacity at longer ranges.
* E-3 Block 45 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-3_Sentry), AWACS aircraft, will provide coordination and command, and reqiure 280 millions to purchase.
The unit may also be reinforced with dedicated fighters:
* F-22 Raptor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-22_Raptor), while incapable of general strike role due to very low payload, can not only help in SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defence) missions, but be highly useful for defense against other fighters and covert missions. If you have such needs, it will cost 110 millions each. It can be replaced with cheaper Su-35M, for 40 millions; however, note, that, while possessing competitive combat capabilities, it doesn't provide the brigade with stealth strike ability. Since all aircraft have unified avionics, introduction of F-22 may considerably improve performance under some conditions.

The recommended brigade complement is:
* 24 x Su-34M
* 12 x Tu-22M4
* 4 x F-22
* 1 x E-3
* 150 flight crew officers (48 in Su-34M, 48 in Tu-22M4, 4 in F-22, 18 in E-3, 32 in reserve)
* 850 ground crew
Total cost of aircraft will be 2160 millions with F-22, or 1880 if F-22 is replaced with Su-35M.
This doesn't include associated equipment. Since it is less complicated, most can be manufactured domestically, but compatible electronics suites for your airbases will cost 40 millions. Essential replacement parts and maintenance equipment for 5 years of operation will add 620 millions to the cost, or 540 without F-22, totaling 2820 and 2460 millions correspondingly.
Additional ground equipment for airbases would add extra 160 millions, although this may be cut by domestic production.

Total cost for 2 brigades therefore will be 5,960 millions in full complement, or 5,800 without ground equipment. Substract 760 millions if Su-35M will suffice for you instead of F-22. The lowest cost will be 5,040 millions.
This shipment would include all aircraft fully armed. All armanent can be provided for the next 15 years. Aircraft will be transported with mid-air refueling, ground equipment by airlift. Total transfer will take 1 day.


Note that, while some countries will offer you obsolete equipment they have decommissioned, it will require even higher maintenance costs, and in the long run will only cost more. Since pilot training is very expensive, cheap aircraft will not make the air force proportionally cheaper. All the equipment we offer is new and best suited for the designated missions. With much higher efficiency, this purchase will actually save you money in the long run.



For air transport squadrons we can offer:
* An-124-100M-300 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An-124), featuring 40,000 hours service life, our avionics, and improved fuel efficiency. Despite lifting up to 150 tonnes and having a range of 6,000 km with 120 tonnes of cargo, at 800 km/h, this aircraft is very rugged and undemanding, capable of takeoff and landing from unprepared terrain, and fits for both strategic and tactical airlift. Flight crew complement is 6 officers, with up to 100 passengers additionally, and service requirements are about 30 men per airframe. Unit cost is 180 millions.
* Mi-26M2 heavy transport helicopter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi-26). It is not only refitted with unified avionics, but has modular airframe, where the cargo/passenger section can be removed. It carries up to 20 tonnes of cargo internally, with cruise speed of 270 km/h, or, without the cargo section, up to 28 tonnes, at 240 km/h. Having flight crew of 4, it is a low maintenance helicopter, requires only 4 men in service crew. Unit cost is just 12 millions.

A strategic airlift squadron of 250 men will fit 6 An-124-100M-300, at cost of 1180 millions in aircraft plus 100 millions in essential replacement parts for 5 years of service, totaling 1280 millions. Tactical squadron can fit 28 Mi-26M2 helicopters, for cost of only 336 millions for helicopters and 64 in replacement parts, for 400 millions total.
Please specify how would you prefer to fit the squadrons.
Our suggestion is two tactical and two strategic/tactical airlift squads.


All the prices are listed without scale discounts. Purchase of both packages will save you about 340 millions. In this case all fighters will be carried by airlift, and we will fully conduct the operations.

For air defense, please specify whether you need ground-based or mixed airborne/ground air defense brigades and squadrons.

The first two contracts can be signed right now, to facilitate more operative equipment of your forces. Total cost in recommended configuration would be 8,980 millions, discount included.



With best regards,
Steven Kaufman,
Aerospace Logistics Sales Department.

OOC:

IC:

To: Lord Jesper B. Bækdahl, Minister of Defence, Ruthenberg.
From: Karen Jenkins, Head of Sales, Crookfur Arms
Re: your requirements

Dear Lord Bækdahl,
On behalf of Crookfur Arms allow me to offer my warmest greatings. Currently Crookfur Arms feels able to offer equipment solutiosn for your Internal security mechanised divsions. For this requirement we would offer divsional equipment packages based around our Kudu Wheeled Armoured Fighting Vehicle platform. We propose the use of a wheeled platform due the the reduced logisitcal footprint such vehicles posses and the fact that for internal duties heavier armoured elements may not be required.

As an illustration each divsional package would contain:
CFCV-43 Kudu AGS: 232 (Armoured Gun system)
CFCV-42 Kudu AT: 86 (Anti tank=ATGM vehicle)
CFCV-40 Kudu IFV: 660
CFCV-41 Kudu SPG: 96 (105mm gun)
CFCV-39 Kudu APC: 71
CFCV-44 Kudu AA: 88
CFCV-41 Kudu LRA: 124 (light rocket artillery=24 tube 90mm launcher)
CFCV-25 Kudu C: 30
SAM8L batteries: 9
Other Vehicles: 400 (mix of land rovers, pinzaguer light trucks a and various 5ton trucks)
Goth Gunships: 16
Vandal helicopters: 8

As you can see such a formation while light and mobile would offer very amounts of fire power and if required we can ammend the equipment lsit to inlude heavier equipment if required.
Total cost for each divsional package would be $4billion.

I look forward to hearing back from you.
Your Sincerly
Karen Jenkins
Head of Sales
Crookfur Arms.

To:Karen Jenkins, Head of Sales, Crookfur Arms
From:Minister of defense Lord Jesper B.Bækdahl

I think your offer looks great..maybe a bit expensive.
My suggestion is that we make you our main supplier for the next 30years,
if we can get the total cost for each divsional package down to $3.5billion
and buy one divisional package every year the next 4 years, and you would get exclusive rights to equip our amoured divisions if you feel capable.

Kind regards
Minister of defense Lord Jesper B.Bækdahl

To:Karen Jenkins, Head of Sales, Crookfur Arms
From:Minister of defense Lord Jesper B.Bækdahl

I think your offer looks great..maybe a bit expensive.
My suggestion is that we make you our main supplier for the next 30years,
if we can get the total cost for each divsional package down to $3.5billion
and buy one divisional package every year the next 4 years, and you would get exclusive rights to equip our amoured divisions if you feel capable.

Kind regards
Minister of defense Lord Jesper B.Bækdahl

To:Minister of defense Lord Jesper B.Bækdahl
From:Karen Jenkins, Head of Sales, Crookfur Arms

My Lord,
Such a deal is acceptable to Crookfur Arms and as additional sweeteners we would like to offer interest free payment plans extending to 5, 10, 20 or even 30 years in addition to provding training to your troops in the operation of the supplied vehicles including the allocation of training and qualification places for Officers and Airmen within Crookfur's own Defence Education System.

If this agreement meets with your approval then shipment of the first vehicles shall begin within 6months with each divsion being completed at 1 year intervals after that date.

Yours Sincerely
Karen Jenkins

oops

To:Karen Jenkins, Head of Sales, Crookfur Arms
From:Minister of defense Lord Jesper B.Bækdahl

DEAL ACCEPTED

We would like to Congratulate you and bid you welcom as one of our trade partners.

We Would like to pay you for one divison each year starting this year...
The training of our main personnel we would appreciate if taht could be located at our own armybases. The first 8 classes of officers and airmen we can accept are being trained outside our nation after that we hope that we are capable of training them ourselves.

Is it possible to get an offer on our elite amoured divisions.

Yours Sincerely
Lord Jesper B.Bækdahl

Greetings.

Have you reviewed the offer from Aerospace Logistics? We've got a variety of aircraft, and all details can be changed. Please respond with your requirements.



With best regards,
Steven Kaufman,
Aerospace Logistics Sales Department.

From:Minister of defense Lord Jesper B.Bækdahl
to:Steven Kaufman,
Aerospace Logistics Sales Department.


Yes it looks great please make an all inclusive offer....

our air defense brigade are groundbased.

kind regards
Minister of defense Lord Jesper B.Bækdahl

To:Karen Jenkins, Head of Sales, Crookfur Arms
From:Minister of defense Lord Jesper B.Bækdahl

DEAL ACCEPTED

We would like to Congratulate you and bid you welcom as one of our trade partners.

We Would like to pay you for one divison each year starting this year...
The training of our main personnel we would appreciate if taht could be located at our own armybases. The first 8 classes of officers and airmen we can accept are being trained outside our nation after that we hope that we are capable of training them ourselves.

Is it possible to get an offer on our elite amoured divisions.

Yours Sincerely
Lord Jesper B.Bækdahl

To:Minister of defense Lord Jesper B.Bækdahl
From:Karen Jenkins, Head of Sales, Crookfur Arms

Many thanks for choosing Crookfur Arms, as your partner in this matter.
I can certainly understand your prefference for home based training and I shall undertake to esure that arrangements are made for this, of course should you wish meebers of your officer corps to attend Well Meadow Military College in the future then they would be welcomed.

As for your elite divsions we can offer 2 alternative types of heavier Mechanised divsions, called simply medium and heavy.
A medium Mechanised divsion would consist of:
T-14 Hector MBT: 232
T-7BII Gilgamesh II+: 58 (heavy tank destroyer)
CFCV-23 Jager IFV: 624
CFA-3 Bowman: 96 (SPG)
CFCV-215 Odin: 20 (command vehicle)
CFRV-217 Athena: 36 (recon vehicle)
CFA-5 Naga MLRS: 24
CFCV-39 Kudu APC: 35
CFCV-40 Kudu IFV: 36
CFCV-42 Kudu AT: 28
CFCV-24 Jager AA: 88
CFCV-115 Scoundrel LA: 100 (SPG)
CFCV-25 Kudu C: 10
SAM8L batteries: 9
Other Vehicles: 400
Goth Gunships: 16
Vandal helicopters: 8

While a heavy Divsion would consist of:
T-12 Agamemnon MBT: 232 (heavy tank)
T-7C Gilgamesh III: 58 (super heavy tank destroyer)
CFCV-123 Custodian HIFV: 624
CFA-3 Bowman: 96
CFCV-215 Odin: 20
CFRV-217 Athena: 36
CFA-5 Naga MLRS: 24
CFCV-39 Kudu APC: 35
CFCV-40 Kudu IFV: 36
CFCV-42 Kudu AT: 28
CFCV-24 Jager AA: 88
CFCV-115 Scoundrel LA: 100
CFCV-25 Kudu C: 10
SAM8L batteries: 9
Other Vehicles: 400
Goth Gunships: 16
Vandal helicopters: 8

Prices would be in the region of $6.5billion for the medium and $8billion for the heavy package

Once again my thanks,
Yours Respectfully
Karen Jenkins

Accepted our deal. Alright then. Have a nice time with our officers.

OOC: EDIT: Deleted, useless

IC: Illiorian arms would be glad to fill any aerospace needs of the Ruthenbergian people. To get you started, we suggest the F-12 Dart (http://z7.invisionfree.com/Illiorian_Arms/index.php?showtopic=27) as your primary aircraft, as it is a relatively cheap fighter, or Cost-Effective Air Superiority fighter as we like to call it. IF you're looking for something with a bit more "UMPH" we suggest the F-33B "Caid" (http://z7.invisionfree.com/Illiorian_Arms/index.php?showtopic=31) Fighter, as it is the next step up from the F-12, being better maneuverable and faster, and can have a longer maximum range. For your transport needs, we suggest The IAL-6 (http://z7.invisionfree.com/Illiorian_Arms/index.php?showtopic=47) aircraft, or any of its variants for other uses. This is the smallest frame for cargo aircraft that IA offers, and is carrier capable like the F-33, making it ideal for long term usage once your navy is sufficiently large enough to have a carrier. If you need something larger, there is the IAL-4 (http://z7.invisionfree.com/Illiorian_Arms/index.php?showtopic=39) Long range Cargo craft.

We Suggest to start off, you purchase 32 F-12 Darts, and 8 F-33 B variant Caids. For your transport needs, we suggest purchasing 18 IAL-6 A variants and 6 IAL-4 A variants.

OOC: Using current western definations an Air assault brigade would be a helicopter transported light infantry formation also soemtimes know as an Air Mobile unit, Paratroopers are generally listed as being "airborne" units, although some armed forces mix both air mobile/air assault light infantry and airborne troops under the single "air assault" catagory.

Greetings.

The cost/performance optimized air defense system we suggest consists of three defense levels: long-range, medium-range and close-range. Brigades will include all three, and squadrons the last two.

The smallest, close-range distributed defense is based on two systems:
* Panzer-S1 (http://www.shipunov.com/eng/zencom/panz.htm), a development of
Tunguska (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunguska-M1) gun/missile vehicle is the core defense. The twelve 57E6-M missiles have range of 20 km and speed of Mach 3.4, using both optical and radar guidance from vehicle or independently if communications are lost. The gun armanent consists of two double 2A38M 30 mm high-accuracy cannons with 4,800 rounds per minute fire rate, which allow near-absolute kill probability once the targets enters their range of 4 kilometers.
The system is mounted on tracked chassis, and serviced by combat crew of 3 and maintenance of 4. A battery contains 4 main vehicles, 2 loaders, Ranzhir-M2 main command post, and 3 service/fuel trucks. Cost is 40 millions per battery, and personnel requirement is 40 men and officers.

* Igla-S2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igla) Man-Portable Air Defense. While the total weight of this missile with launch tube is 23 kg, Igla-S2, the improved and extended version of Igla, offers the best kill probability among all MANPADs, featuring range of 7000 meters and speed of 900 m/s, or Mach 2.7. Igla provides air defense completely invisible to aircraft and therefore immune to SEAD attempts. Each missile has a cost of 120,000.
To facilitate mobility and avoid attention, a light car should be used. We recommend to use Toyota Land Cruiser in military modification for urban, rural or mountainous terrain, HumVee for desert terrain, UAZ-3159 with ALC tuning for most difficult conditions, or UAZ/ALC ATV4 (All-terrain Vehicle, 4-wheeled) for highest performance in any terrain and better stealthiness. ATV4 also features communications equipment, powerful computer and decoy command system. The car will add 50, 55, 30 or 80 thousands correspondingly. For forest environments other transport can be used.


* The medium-range system is built around Buk-M1-3, a development of Buk-M1-2 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K38_Buk-M1-2) (which was based on Buk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA-11_Gadfly)). Radar/Command and Transport/Erector/Launcher vehicle are split and joined by a communication network. The system has proven most capable in pursuit capabilities, and, with newer computers, the tactical problems have been eliminated. Missiles fly at up to Mach 4, for up to 60 km.
A battery consists of 6 RC vehicles, 6 TELs, 1 command post, 3 reloaders, 6 support trucks, 1 AL-SDR/L (see below) and has cost of 100 millions. It requires 100 men and officers to service.


* The SDR, or Stealth Detection Radar series is specialized Aerospace Logistics equipment, featuring P-band, meter-wavelength radar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RADAR#Frequency_bands). While generally obsolete and inferior in everything to modern X-band and mm-band radars, former Soviet P-band radars have capability to detect aircraft with little regard to stealth measures applied. This is due to the fact that most stealth measures work with fine shaping in range of decimeters, and radar-absorbent materials layer has thickness of millimeters at most. In contrast, P-band radars have only resolution of more than one meter, and therefore their waves are neither considerably absorbed, nor reflected as designed, since waves "see" a very blurry image of the aircraft. It should be noted, though, that B-2 and somewhat F-117 still retain part of their stealth advantage due to inherently stealthy design, applying even to these bands.
P-band radars have been resurrected by Aerospace Logistics, powered up to provide considerable range, and coupled with conventional X-band radars to distinguish stealth aircraft from other targets and decoys. The three major systems are AL-SDR/L, AL-SDR, and AL-SDR/H, for light, normal and heavy. SDR/L are mounted on chassis of Tunguska-M1, and, due to small size, have limited capabilities and offer only 25% of normal aircraft detection range for stealth aircraft, which is still a major improvement over 10% range provided by other radars. Normal SDR, using heavy tank chassis, offer an average of 45% range for stealth aircraft compared to similar normal radars. Heavy SDR detect even true stealth aircraft almost as well as normal, and are believed to have 65% range against them compared to non-SD radars against normal aircraft, detecting planes at ranges up to 900 km.


* S-400V Triumph (http://www.astronautix.com/lvs/s400.htm), tracked vehicle based on older S-300 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SA-10_Grumble), provides reliable long-range defense. The L-band radars have detection range of 700 km for normal, 500 km for low-RCS and 200 km for stealth aircraft. Reinforced with AL-SDR, it can detect, though not identify or engage stealth aircraft at 450 km. The missiles can engage targets at 400 km, with target speed up to 3 km/s (Mach 10), and can intercept theater ballistic missiles. However, the best engagement range is 300 km, where all radars and sensors can work in coordination, and missiles have good range reserve. Having that reserve, the missiles can exploit their agility. Their velocity of 2500 m/s or Mach 8, combined with maneuverability and acceleration of up to 100 g, as well as heavy 150 kg warhead and distributed AI guidance make kill probability exceed 0.96 against most targets, including stealth aircraft, and 0.85 against theater ballistic missiles.

The system is highly distributed, and a team consists of Target Acquisition Ragar, ABM (Anti-Ballistic Missile) Radar, Stealth Detection Radar, 2 Tracking Radars, Command Center, 6 main TEL, 3 reloaders, 2 auxilliary TEL and 8 support vehicles. Each battery carries 24 main missiles active, 24 in reloaders, and 32 mid-range missiles. Two extra full loads of missiles are included. Cost of the battery is 300 millions, and required crew complement is 140 men and 100 officers.


Structure:
* A squadron will include one medium-range battery, two short-range, and 200 MANPADS with 3 per vehicle. The cost, command center and support trucks included, will be 240 millions, and complement will require 200 men and 40 officers.

* Recommended complement for brigade is two long-range batteries, two squadrons, and one stationary Heavy Stealth Detection Radar AL-SDR/H unit. Cost of each brigade will be 1250 millions, and the complement will consist of about 700 men and 300 officers. It is recommended to provide separate ground defense.

All of the systems, except for MANPADs, feature full high-speed datalinks, either by encrypted radio or optic fiber cable. This allows only one of the radars to work on tracking the targets, and any radars to turn off when needed. A radar-simulating decoy can be used for additional protection against radar-homing missiles without losing the targets. Even destruction of all radars would only switch all missiles into self-guidance mode, so the system is very resistant against SEAD operations and ground strikes.


Totally the air defense contract of 2 brigades and 4 squadrons will be 3,460 millions. Together with the air attack and transport groups it will bring scale discount up to 520 millions. The total value of two contracts will be, therefore, 12,280 millions. This will include full transportation by airlift in 2 days, installation of two stationary SDR/H, and two-month training course which will familiarize your personnel with the equipment.


With best regards,
Steven Kaufman,
Aerospace Logistics Sales Department.

Greetings.


Totally the air defense contract of 2 brigades and 4 squadrons will be 3,460 millions. Together with the air attack and transport groups it will bring scale discount up to 520 millions. The total value of two contracts will be, therefore, 12,280 millions. This will include full transportation by airlift in 2 days, installation of two stationary SDR/H, and two-month training course which will familiarize your personnel with the equipment.


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How about a payment plan as we cant afford to pay the total sum at once, but we would like to pay over 4 years if that is possible..with reasonable intrest of course.

Yours Respectfully
Jesper B Bækdahl

Yes, we can work it out. For 4-year plan, the payment can be split into even parts, with just the nominal bank interest rate of 8% per year, so the first payment will be 3070, second 3315, third 3580, and the final 3870 millions.


With best regards,
Steven Kaufman,
Aerospace Logistics Sales Department.

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Yes, we can work it out. For 4-year plan, the payment can be split into even parts, with just the nominal bank interest rate of 8% per year, so the first payment will be 3070, second 3315, third 3580, and the final 3870 millions.


With best regards,
Steven Kaufman,
Aerospace Logistics Sales Department.

Deal accepted we are proud to welcome you as one of our supplieres...we will
turn to you when starting to build our navy and airforce.

Yours Respectfully
Jesper B Bækdahl

Thanks. We have received the initial transfer. The aircraft, air defense systems, and associated equipment is being transported right now, and installation will be done shortly.



With best regards,
Steven Kaufman,
Aerospace Logistics Sales Department.