NationStates Jolt Archive

This is the OOC thread for the Jaredo-Errikan War (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=506533). All OOC-ness goes here.
[will edit this post to show progress of war later]

Here are the stats according to NSTracker for several of those who may be involved as of 11/09/06. I have divided them up clearly, and have calculated for differences in currency. This was mostly easy, though it took some time (especially for empires with colonies). These shall be the official numbers of the RPs, I guess.

All monetary amounts are USD, and have a 1% margin of error.

Errikan Empire:
Total Pop: 1,811,000,000 people
Total Budget: $20,197,228,391,010.00
Defense Budget: $11,512,420,182,875.70
Rachkldite Pop: 1,057,000,000

Jaredcohenia:
Total Pop: 4,052,000,000 people
Total Budget: $6,285,508,389,973.96
Defense/Law&Order Budget: $4,022,725,369,583.33

Wanderjar:
Total Pop: 1,518,000,000 people
Total Budget: $97,102,622,769,230.55
Defense Budget: $28,159,760,603,076.86

Clandonia Prime:
Total Pop: 346,000,000 people
Total Budget: $3,239,112,450,965.85
Defense Budget: $ 1,133,689,357,838.05

Maldorians:
Total Pop: 946,000,000 people
Total Budget: $ 37,348,143,414,042.41
Defense Budget: $5,975,702,946,246.79

Lactian Empire:
Total Pop: 62,000,000 people
Total Budget: $125,374,617,737.00
Defense Budget: $62,687,308,868.50

Jaymeland:
Total Pop: 1,097,000,000 people
Total Budget: $2,736,127,908,261.96
Defense Budget: $547,225,581,652.39

Albu-querque:
Total Pop: 1,121,000,000 people
Total Budget: $1,358,295,317,894.14
Defense Budget: $271,659,063,578.83

The Blackhelm Confederacy:
Total Pop: 941,000,000 people
Total Budget: $7,004,956,157,514.90
Defense Budget: $2,241,585,970,404.77


I realize that you may divide your budget up differently than NSTracker did (I did, and JC had me merge his Defense/Law and Order funds into one), so I provided your total budgets as well. The number I use for your defense budget is based off the percentage in NSTracker, so if you want it to be different just tell me.

Lactian Empire:
Total Pop: 62,000,000 people
Total Budget: $125,374,617,737.00
Defense Budget: $21,313,685,015.29


I love u for having my name written the right way. Oh and 50% of our budget goes to Defence

I love u for having my name written the right way. Oh and 50% of our budget goes to Defence

Okay, I will change that now.

BTW Um, I have a probable that I can't get no new Issues, and the current one is staying no matter what I do.

BTW Um, I have a probable that I can't get no new Issues, and the current one is staying no matter what I do.

I think I know the problem, but let us solve this in TGs, leaving this thread for stuff dealing with the war.

Alright, lets make our strategic moves over TG also.

Alright, lets make our strategic moves over TG also.

Yes. :)

whoa wtfs goin on

I could set up a temporary Forum for your side to use for battle planning. Or it could be for the other side as well.


I have the web space plus 8 free MySQL Databases

I could set up a temporary Forum for your side to use for battle planning. Or it could be for the other side as well.


I have the web space plus 8 free MySQL Databases

Sounds good, but some people might find the website, and would expose our plans. TG and Instant Messenger are kind of safer, I believe. And since you are kind of my allie, can you enter the war on Latican Empire/Errikan Empire? Please.

I doubt anyone would figure it out. Not if I TG the information to anyone on your side and create some random subdomain like "kkdfhjasdlfjlasdf44328" or something similar.

I can be sneaky when it comes to stuff like this.

Can someone please explain to me why a bunch of nations are listed and I have no allies listed here?

I doubt anyone would figure it out. Not if I TG the information to anyone on your side and create some random subdomain like "kkdfhjasdlfjlasdf44328" or something similar.

I can be sneaky when it comes to stuff like this.

Well it's up to Errikan. But how do you hold up on joining our side?

Well it's up to Errikan. But how do you hold up on joining our side?

OOC:
If i do join, i'd have to join on the side of Jared seeing as he's an ally of mine through the Commonwealth of Indepenent Nations. I'd get involved as part of that mutual defence pact. And just cause we exchanged Embasies doesn't make us allies per say. The only way I consider someone an Ally is if they are part of an Alliance that I am with. Thats how my government rolls.

OOC:
If i do join, i'd have to join on the side of Jared seeing as he's an ally of mine through the Commonwealth of Indepenent Nations. I'd get involved as part of that mutual defence pact. And just cause we exchanged Embasies doesn't make us allies per say. The only way I consider someone an Ally is if they are part of an Alliance that I am with. Thats how my government rolls.

Alright, but I must ask you to not join.

OOC:
If i do join, i'd have to join on the side of Jared seeing as he's an ally of mine through the Commonwealth of Indepenent Nations. I'd get involved as part of that mutual defence pact. And just cause we exchanged Embasies doesn't make us allies per say. The only way I consider someone an Ally is if they are part of an Alliance that I am with. Thats how my government rolls.

This is the OOC thread, Shaz. you don't need to use OOC XD but anyways, thanks for the help. the numbers are really stacked up against me

and no nukes what gives?! *stares at his 1gts*

If I join, I'll be joining Jaredcohenia.

No offense, Errikland, and I'd like to be your ally, but if I do join, I want it to be a fair game. Jared is getting a massive group against him, and what large war is without betrayals? :p

He's annoying? Lol

Can someone please explain to me why a bunch of nations are listed and I have no allies listed here?

I asked you about your allies and you did not list anyone. Just TG me a list of people who will help you and I'll get their numbers up there.

Alright, but I must ask you to not join.

Numbers are stacked against Jared. And per the Alliance Constitution i am obligated (along with the rest of the membership) to send assistance per Article 1 of the Consitution. And per article 2, i am obligated to not come up in arms against any other member of the CIN.


I: Should one nation in the C.I.N. fall prey to an attack, all nations in the C.I.N. shall rise as one to defend the nation under attack. Should the attacking nation need to be occupied to end hostilities, that nation shall become a protectorate of the C.I.N., subject to the Constitution of the C.I.N.
Amendment I: This article only comes into effect if the CIN nation has fallen prey to an attack, and is not the aggressor of the current engagement.
Amendment added on January 31st, 2006 C.E. to Article I
II: No C.I.N. nation shall show hostilities against another C.I.N. nation. Should a C.I.N. nation fall under attack by another C.I.N. nation, the attacking nation shall be ejected from the C.I.N., and Article I shall come into effect.

Although per Article 8 of the constitution, Jared may deny any help in this conflict.

VIII: Any nation engaged in conflict in which the C.I.N. constitution would normally come into effect may, if the nation so wishes, refuse C.I.N. assistance for the duration, or any time less then the length, of the engagement.
Article added on September 8th, 2005 C.E.

Zukariaa;11927033']If I join, I'll be joining Jaredcohenia.

No offense, Errikland, and I'd like to be your ally, but if I do join, I want it to be a fair game. Jared is getting a massive group against him, and what large war is without betrayals? :p

I do not join for game. I join for reasons.

I did not want this to be some huge, multi-continental war. I was hoping for a primarily localized African conflict, mainly between myself and JC with some allied support, if possible.

Zuk, I see how you cannot enter the war without betraying someone, so please remain a spectator. Think of the fortune you can make by selling to both sides.

He's annoying? Lol

You will be the first to be crushed for that note.

I'm formulating allies as we speak. And why is Blackhelm listed? Is he going against me too?

EDIT: And Errik, Zuk said he wanted to be on my side. Why should everyone be against me?

You will be the first to be crushed for that note.

I'm formulating allies as we speak. And why is Blackhelm listed? Is he going against me too?

No, I listed him since he is in the area and may eventually want to get involved.

Numbers are stacked against Jared. And per the Alliance Constitution i am obligated (along with the rest of the membership) to send assistance per Article 1 of the Consitution. And per article 2, i am obligated to not come up in arms against any other member of the CIN.




Although per Article 8 of the constitution, Jared may deny any help in this conflict.

No. This war is not going to have that many people.

As I said, it should mostly stick to Africa . . .

I do not join for game. I join for reasons.

I did not want this to be some huge, multi-continental war. I was hoping for a primarily localized African conflict, mainly between myself and JC with some allied support, if possible.

Zuk, I see how you cannot enter the war without betraying someone, so please remain a spectator. Think of the fortune you can make by selling to both sides.

I can make some reasons. It could be like World War I. I'd be Germany, JC'd be Austria. :p

But really, what fun is a war with such huge numbers if it is without betrayal, surprise, lots of death, nukes, and multi-continental suffering? :p

Zukariaa;11927080']I can make some reasons. It could be like World War I. I'd be Germany, JC'd be Austria. :p

But really, what fun is a war with such huge numbers if it is without betrayal, surprise, lots of death, nukes, and multi-continental suffering? :p

Quick blitzkriegs that kill a lot of the enemy and take a lot of his territory, with no WMDs and very little outside involvement.

Duh. :D

So who exactly from the list of nations in the 2nd post is committed to helping Errikland?

No. This war is not going to have that many people.

As I said, it should mostly stick to Africa . . .

From the most part of it, looks like theres several billion against me. Not many, huh?

So who exactly from the list of nations in the 2nd post is committed to helping Errikland?

Me, probable everyone. Ackistan, please join the side of Errikan/Latican/Other Empires.

So who exactly from the list of nations in the 2nd post is committed to helping Errikland?

Myself, Wanderjar, the Lactians, Jayme and Albu.

However, Jaymeland never directly posts (just sends aid if I ask, lazy), and Albu has had very little involvement in the International Community lately, and will likely do the same thing as Jayme.

Maldorians may help, though he already has his hands full, and CP is there as well.

The reason that the odds seem so "stacked" against JC is because my diplomats have been scurrying around, working their tails off to be sure that a war with such a huge power is winnable. It is a work of diplomacy and foresight on my part. Sort of realistic, if one looks at times leading up to major wars (WWI especially).

From the most part of it, looks like theres several billion against me. Not many, huh?

I was initally hoping for minor support from them, but if your allies get involved . . .

I'm seriously looking for a WWI like war. I love World War I. XD

Basically, I think me joining in with JC will even things out, since my empire and his nation add up to 7 billion altogether. Really, though, I'll need a reason to join JC in the war.

Oh comeon, join us.

Zukariaa;11927145']I'm seriously looking for a WWI like war. I love World War I. XD

Basically, I think me joining in with JC will even things out, since my empire and his nation add up to 7 billion altogether. Really, though, I'll need a reason to join JC in the war.

Come on, Zuk. There is no need for you to get involved. This will actually be very different than WWI (which I love too), and I really would like to maintain my alliance with you.

Oh comeon, join us.

GENTE. STOP IT

THE NUMBERS ARE ALREADY IN YOUR FAVOR. I AM GOING TO LOSE. The war is stacked against me in SUCH A FREAKING GODMOD that it is not funny. You did not even give me time to retaliate to your post, Errik, and you ALREADY DECIDE TO DESTROY MY SHORES

I had a shitty day today and this is JUST what I need. Good job Errik.

GENTE. STOP IT

THE NUMBERS ARE ALREADY IN YOUR FAVOR. I AM GOING TO LOSE. The war is stacked against me in SUCH A FREAKING GODMOD that it is not funny. You did not even give me time to retaliate to your post, Errik, and you ALREADY DECIDE TO DESTROY MY SHORES

I had a shitty day today and this is JUST what I need. Good job Errik.

This is not a godmod at all. I did not state any damage against you, and even waited off invasion until you respond (critical to my plan is blitzkrieg, so this is a real sacrifice). I negotiated all of these allies fair and square. I invested time and kindness in making friends with several (Gente, you know what I'm talking about), being ever tactfull. I pounced as soon as I saw that you moved to alienate Clandonia Prime (the enemy of my enemy is an asset). All of this being diplomacy to swing the eventual war in my favor.

I'm sorry about your bad day, though. I really am.

Come on, Zuk. There is no need for you to get involved. This will actually be very different than WWI (which I love too), and I really would like to maintain my alliance with you.

I would, too, but I feel like testing out my new technology a bit, and it has been a long time since I was in a huge war. I'm itchin' for a war, since the CA war ended and my forces have all been freed up.

Zukariaa;11927184']I would, too, but I feel like testing out my new technology a bit, and it has been a long time since I was in a huge war. I'm itchin' for a war, since the CA war ended and my forces have all been freed up.

There will be plenty of chances for such a conflict without hurting our current diplomatic situation, my friend.

There will be plenty of chances for such a conflict without hurting our current diplomatic situation, my friend.

Come on Errik, can't deal with having someone against you? Wanted an unfair conflict, hate it when there's a bit of fairness in one?

To: Christian I

You had the intent to kill my men over something they thought was wrong in your nation, and are thus declaring war on my entire nation over the group of one hundred some odd angry kids?

You, my friend, are the traitor, not I. I was defending my own men because they thought your religious persecution of them was wrong. If it is a war you want, then it is something you will get. I hope you enjoy things up your anus, Chrissy. 'Cuz I got an entire stockade of missiles that can hold one gigaton nukes. Or something like that.

I will see to it that you are executed by my nation's blade. Goodbye.

That belongs in the Riots thread, not the War one, and your other call belongs in a TG. Please edit them out and put your opening moves in.

There will be plenty of chances for such a conflict without hurting our current diplomatic situation, my friend.

True, but not ones quite like this. I like being faced with a tough decision like this. It puts the pressure on me, and people do impulsive things under pressure. It would explain my reaction if I were to get involved.

This is why I need a map of Mucro. So I can have a map of Zukariaa in case of some sort of invasion or large war. You almost done? XD

Come on Errik, can't deal with having someone against you? Wanted an unfair conflict, hate it when there's a bit of fairness in one?

My use of foresight and diplomacy are entirely fair, Jared. Please do not confuse that with cheating.

This is not a godmod at all. I did not state any damage against you, and even waited off invasion until you respond (critical to my plan is blitzkrieg, so this is a real sacrifice). I negotiated all of these allies fair and square. I invested time and kindness in making friends with several (Gente, you know what I'm talking about), being ever tactfull. I pounced as soon as I saw that you moved to alienate Clandonia Prime (the enemy of my enemy is an asset). All of this being diplomacy to swing the eventual war in my favor.

I'm sorry about your bad day, though. I really am.



So i was just a tool of war! Our relation ship was useless! My gosh. J/p j/p. Alright, no one has posted in the main thread....

Me, probable everyone. Ackistan, please join the side of Errikan/Latican/Other Empires.

Nah. You guys don't need my help. I was just curious to know who was helping who before answering the poll :)

Also, it would be a cold day in hell before my nation sided with Clandonia Prime in any war (even if I have some friends on the Errikland side).

So i was just a tool of war! Our relation ship was useless! My gosh. J/p j/p. Alright, no one has posted in the main thread....

:D Do not be so melodramatic. I truely like you, and established our alliance out of that. I am just giving examples of being how being diplomatic before a war can lead to the outcome of the war, and the JC and the others should stop citing this as unfair, as if I whipped my advantage out of thin air.

Then Don't flip out if Jar's allies with their Armies of doom show up in under a month.

Nah. You guys don't need my help. I was just curious to know who was helping who before answering the poll :)

Also, it would be a cold day in hell before my nation sided with Clandonia Prime in any war (even if I have some friend on the Errikland side).

Even if you were fighting in an entirely different theater?

I can totally understand that you want to stay out of it, and I probably don't want almost anyone else joining anyway.

Then Don't flip out if Jar's allies with their Armies of doom show up in under a month.

Um . . . okay . . . that was just a little random.

Just so you (JC and all o' y'all) know, I spent a very long time in the Africa thread building up my forces and logistical support, which JC did not. Is it going to be cheating if I have an advantage there?

Are you ignoring me? D:

Haha, sry.

Zukariaa;11927299']Are you ignoring me? D:

Wait, are you talking to me?

If so, I am not currently ignoring you, though the thread remains closed.

Wait, are you talking to me?

If so, I am not currently ignoring you, though the thread remains closed.

Refering to this:

True, but not ones quite like this. I like being faced with a tough decision like this. It puts the pressure on me, and people do impulsive things under pressure. It would explain my reaction if I were to get involved.

This is why I need a map of Mucro. So I can have a map of Zukariaa in case of some sort of invasion or large war. You almost done? XD

sooo what now?

Zukariaa;11927356']Refering to this:

True, but not ones quite like this. I like being faced with a tough decision like this. It puts the pressure on me, and people do impulsive things under pressure. It would explain my reaction if I were to get involved.

This is why I need a map of Mucro. So I can have a map of Zukariaa in case of some sort of invasion or large war. You almost done? XD

Oh, sorry, I didn't see that.

And Zuk, in all seriousness, please do not get involved. As I said, I was hoping to keep this war small, and seriously do not wish for my alliance with you to be scrapped.

The second part is a little off topic, but okay. I already told you that I cannot get to the map at the moment (and I am currently honestly considering scrapping the whole thing, as it is crap). However, since you want to design your nation yourself, just know that I leave a space for you on the easternmost coast (think southern China for Eurasia), so you can design your nation anyway.


To everyone else: Your IC people would not get involved in a war just to "make it fair." They would do it for some reason. And, if you look at the riots thread as well as the message and Errikan viewpoint explained in the war thread, then most nations that base their actions on a moral ground would support me; those involved in the global market would see far more to gain by supporting me, a nation involved in heavy trading, than JC, a communist nation with a poor economy; and, of course, my characters have always been polite and diplomatic, something that people find attractive, whereas Jaredcohenia's people, especially his main leaders, tend to be impulsive and fluent in very colorful language. Thus, unless you have some specific reason to support JC, as some of you do, the tendency would be to go the other way. Still, I don't want this war getting too many people and too spread out. Dang, I probably should have just closed the war between myself and JC when I had the chance.

Oh, sorry, I didn't see that.

And Zuk, in all seriousness, please do not get involved. As I said, I was hoping to keep this war small, and seriously do not wish for my alliance with you to be scrapped.

The second part is a little off topic, but okay. I already told you that I cannot get to the map at the moment (and I am currently honestly considering scrapping the whole thing, as it is crap). However, since you want to design your nation yourself, just know that I leave a space for you on the easternmost coast (think southern China for Eurasia), so you can design your nation anyway.


To everyone else: Your IC people would not get involved in a war just to "make it fair." They would do it for some reason. And, if you look at the riots thread as well as the message and Errikan viewpoint explained in the war thread, then most nations that base their actions on a moral ground would support me; those involved in the global market would see far more to gain by supporting me, a nation involved in heavy trading, than JC, a communist nation with a poor economy; and, of course, my characters have always been polite and diplomatic, something that people find attractive, whereas Jaredcohenia's people, especially his main leaders, tend to be impulsive and fluent in very colorful language. Thus, unless you have some specific reason to support JC, as some of you do, the tendency would be to go the other way. Still, I don't want this war getting too many people and too spread out. Dang, I probably should have just closed the war between myself and JC when I had the chance.

Oh how fucking silly you are.


Jaredcohenia:
Total Pop: 4,052,000,000 people
Total Budget: $6,285,508,389,973.96
Defense/Law&Order Budget: $4,022,725,369,583.33

VS

around 6,842,000,000

Errikan Empire:
Total Pop: 1,811,000,000 people
Total Budget: $20,197,228,391,010.00
Defense Budget: $11,512,420,182,875.70
Rachkldite Pop: 1,057,000,000

Wanderjar:
Total Pop: 1,518,000,000 people
Total Budget: $97,102,622,769,230.55
Defense Budget: $28,159,760,603,076.86

Clandonia Prime:
Total Pop: 346,000,000 people
Total Budget: $3,239,112,450,965.85
Defense Budget: $ 1,133,689,357,838.05

Maldorians:
Total Pop: 946,000,000 people
Total Budget: $ 37,348,143,414,042.41
Defense Budget: $5,975,702,946,246.79

Lactian Empire:
Total Pop: 62,000,000 people
Total Budget: $125,374,617,737.00
Defense Budget: $62,687,308,868.50

Jaymeland:
Total Pop: 1,097,000,000 people
Total Budget: $2,736,127,908,261.96
Defense Budget: $547,225,581,652.39

Albu-querque:
Total Pop: 1,121,000,000 people
Total Budget: $1,358,295,317,894.14
Defense Budget: $271,659,063,578.83

The Blackhelm Confederacy:
Total Pop: 941,000,000 people
Total Budget: $7,004,956,157,514.90
Defense Budget: $2,241,585,970,404.77


PRETTY DAMN SMALL WAR HUH ERRIK?

Now you're making your Muslim hating nation such a lovely place, ain't it Errik? Oh, and times have changed. Ain't communist anymore, Errik. Maybe you should read up.

[B]To everyone else: Your IC people would not get involved in a war just to "make it fair." They would do it for some reason.


I said why I would get involved dammit. In order to abide by the CONSTITUTION of the mutual aid pact of the Comonweath of Independent Nations. Thus helping an ally of mine in a hard time. If thats such a problem then I suggest that Jared ignore this whole war as it is about 8 v. 1 which is unfair as hell.

Oh, sorry, I didn't see that.

And Zuk, in all seriousness, please do not get involved. As I said, I was hoping to keep this war small, and seriously do not wish for my alliance with you to be scrapped.

The second part is a little off topic, but okay. I already told you that I cannot get to the map at the moment (and I am currently honestly considering scrapping the whole thing, as it is crap). However, since you want to design your nation yourself, just know that I leave a space for you on the easternmost coast (think southern China for Eurasia), so you can design your nation anyway.


To everyone else: Your IC people would not get involved in a war just to "make it fair." They would do it for some reason. And, if you look at the riots thread as well as the message and Errikan viewpoint explained in the war thread, then most nations that base their actions on a moral ground would support me; those involved in the global market would see far more to gain by supporting me, a nation involved in heavy trading, than JC, a communist nation with a poor economy; and, of course, my characters have always been polite and diplomatic, something that people find attractive, whereas Jaredcohenia's people, especially his main leaders, tend to be impulsive and fluent in very colorful language. Thus, unless you have some specific reason to support JC, as some of you do, the tendency would be to go the other way. Still, I don't want this war getting too many people and too spread out. Dang, I probably should have just closed the war between myself and JC when I had the chance.

I'd prefer my nation be in a European kind of area, not Chinaland. <_<
And I can't make a map if I don't have a map of Mucro. It's easier with a regional map. :\

You should get back on MSN. It would help a lot.

Oh how fucking silly you are.


Jaredcohenia:
Total Pop: 4,052,000,000 people
Total Budget: $6,285,508,389,973.96
Defense/Law&Order Budget: $4,022,725,369,583.33

VS

around 6,842,000,000

Errikan Empire:
Total Pop: 1,811,000,000 people
Total Budget: $20,197,228,391,010.00
Defense Budget: $11,512,420,182,875.70
Rachkldite Pop: 1,057,000,000

Wanderjar:
Total Pop: 1,518,000,000 people
Total Budget: $97,102,622,769,230.55
Defense Budget: $28,159,760,603,076.86

Clandonia Prime:
Total Pop: 346,000,000 people
Total Budget: $3,239,112,450,965.85
Defense Budget: $ 1,133,689,357,838.05

Maldorians:
Total Pop: 946,000,000 people
Total Budget: $ 37,348,143,414,042.41
Defense Budget: $5,975,702,946,246.79

Lactian Empire:
Total Pop: 62,000,000 people
Total Budget: $125,374,617,737.00
Defense Budget: $62,687,308,868.50

Jaymeland:
Total Pop: 1,097,000,000 people
Total Budget: $2,736,127,908,261.96
Defense Budget: $547,225,581,652.39

Albu-querque:
Total Pop: 1,121,000,000 people
Total Budget: $1,358,295,317,894.14
Defense Budget: $271,659,063,578.83

The Blackhelm Confederacy:
Total Pop: 941,000,000 people
Total Budget: $7,004,956,157,514.90
Defense Budget: $2,241,585,970,404.77


PRETTY DAMN SMALL WAR HUH ERRIK?

Now you're making your Muslim hating nation such a lovely place, ain't it Errik? Oh, and times have changed. Ain't communist anymore, Errik. Maybe you should read up.

First off, there is no reason to be angry.

As I said before, I had hoped that my allies would have limited involvement, mostly naval support (aside from one operation). As I also said, Blackhelm never said he would support me, I merely added him in there incase he later wished to get involved.
And why do you think that my nation is "Muslim hating"? And what do you mean by "making [it] such a lovely place, ain't it Errik?"?

I did not hear that you had changed your ways. When did this happen?

Erriklan, whats your MSN?

I said why I would get involved dammit. In order to abide by the CONSTITUTION of the mutual aid pact of the Comonweath of Independent Nations. Thus helping an ally of mine in a hard time. If thats such a problem then I suggest that Jared ignore this whole war as it is about 8 v. 1 which is unfair as hell.

I made that note specifically to fit your situation.

And it is not "unfair" as you say. It was my political manuvering that allowed me this advantage. And it was HIS people that attacked MY embassy, and then HIS leader that refused my Emperor's repeated requests to be allowed to reinforce my people, sparking this thing. Thus, he brought this down upon his head.

Erriklan, whats your MSN?

I do not currently have access to it.

Zukariaa;11927434']I'd prefer my nation be in a European kind of area, not Chinaland. <_<
And I can't make a map if I don't have a map of Mucro. It's easier with a regional map. :\

You should get back on MSN. It would help a lot.

Well it would not be Chinaland, exactly. The climate and geography would be as you saw fit. The reason I was thinking of you so far south was the thing you said about lots o' palm trees, and that pic that you had in your wiki.

How is it fair? 8 v. 1 with your joint militaries more than twice the size of his? When i do get involved, i'll bring quite a bit of firepower with me to help defend my ally. And I will notify the CIN membership and they will probably send monitary aide to mine and his nation for the conflict.

How is it fair? 8 v. 1 with your joint militaries more than twice the size of his? When i do get involved, i'll bring quite a bit of firepower with me to help defend my ally. And I will notify the CIN membership and they will probably send monitary aide to mine and his nation for the conflict.

I have been stressing that issue for a while. :/

How is it fair? 8 v. 1 with your joint militaries more than twice the size of his? When i do get involved, i'll bring quite a bit of firepower with me to help defend my ally. And I will notify the CIN membership and they will probably send monitary aide to mine and his nation for the conflict.

Did you just skip everything I said? Please go back and reread my post, then try and argue against those points, rather than restating your original argument.

As for your bringing in all that cash and what not, aside from the dramatically expanding scope of the war, I have no problem with that.

Well it would not be Chinaland, exactly. The climate and geography would be as you saw fit. The reason I was thinking of you so far south was the thing you said about lots o' palm trees, and that pic that you had in your wiki.

They were introduced, they weren't already there. Zukariaa is European-like. Think Germany.

I have been stressing that issue for a while. :/

Tell you what: despite the fact that I have pointed out how that is untrue and you have yet to have a single real counter-argument (stating your original argument to which that was a counter argument does not count), how about we just close this between the two of us? It will shut up all this pointless bickering.

Zukariaa;11927477']They were introduced, they weren't already there. Zukariaa is European-like. Think Germany.

Hmm . . . how about farther north, like Germany latitude wise, but still on the east coast?

EDIT: also, palm trees need to be in an enviornment in which they can survive, regardless of if they were introduced

Tell you what: despite the fact that I have pointed out how that is untrue and you have yet to have a single real counter-argument (stating your original argument to which that was a counter argument does not count), how about we just close this between the two of us? It will shut up all this pointless bickering.

Actually I happen to like it now. I now have allies in the war, I'll report them to you momentarily.

Tell you what: despite the fact that I have pointed out how that is untrue and you have yet to have a single real counter-argument (stating your original argument to which that was a counter argument does not count), how about we just close this between the two of us? It will shut up all this pointless bickering.

If I may, I'd really like to continue sinking your stuff, that post took a darn long time to write. And attacking merchant shipping with nuclear subs is fun.

Hmm . . . how about farther north, like Germany latitude wise, but still on the east coast?

EDIT: also, palm trees need to be in an enviornment in which they can survive, regardless of if they were introduced

Depends. Which coast are you and all those guys on? I want to be in that area.

And, that isn't something I care about, but it doesn't matter because the Zukariaans kicked their asses because they fux'd up their German look. :0

If I may, I'd really like to continue sinking your stuff, that post took a darn long time to write. And attacking merchant shipping with nuclear subs is fun.

Just incase you did not read the top, the thread is closed. So please delete your post. Thank you.

Just incase you did not read the top, the thread is closed. So please delete your post. Thank you.

It's open now. I'm half of this RP, and you decided that it would be 6B against me, I'll decide that I want allies.

Just incase you did not read the top, the thread is closed. So please delete your post. Thank you.

Invite by Jaredcohenia. I produce IRC as evidence:
[12:16am] Jaredcohenia: ros
[12:16am] Jaredcohenia: don't delete your post
[12:16am] rosdivan: jared, no problem with me sinking his stuff?
[12:16am] Jaredcohenia: none
[12:17am] Jaredcohenia: sink as many as you want d00d

I'm going to start doing a mass TG campaign for funding tonight starting at midnight. Tomarrow i expect a few trillion dollars in an account to help with this.

I'll also post what I will be sending sometime in the next 30 minutes (after I check a few things and run the numbers first). So prepare for that.

Zukariaa;11927494']Depends. Which coast are you and all those guys on? I want to be in that area.

And, that isn't something I care about, but it doesn't matter because the Zukariaans kicked their asses because they fux'd up their German look. :0

This is important to me. ;_;

I regret to inform you that, due to my recent falling out with Jaredcohenia, this topic is to die. I apologize for any inconvienience that this may be to you.

(Damn. In the middle of typing this and it ends)

Errik.. you ejected him and banned him from Mucro? What the fuck?

Looking for a new home. *holds up a sign*

I put up a whole huge ass amount of military for this operation and suddenly it ends. That sucks big time...