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"It is a dark time.

At the moment of the Creator's grandest triumph, the foundation of Mankind, Lucifer Morningstar most beloved of the Angelic Host rebels against God, bringing a third of Heaven's host against the Throne. The sounds of battle stain paradise and all stands upon the brink of a knife, amidst war and betrayal.

Sides are drawn, some pledge their allegience, other angels wait to see who will emerge victorious as the unfathomable war comes into full fray. The destinies set down here shall echo for eternities, the punishments shall be unfathomable, but the prize....Is too perfect to comprehend.

One must ask himself but one question throughout the history of the War in Heaven, The Fall and the Long War.

Where will you stand?"

Basically thats the bare bones of my idea. The War in Heaven, that ancient biblical tumult that genesised hell itself and affected the world profoundly and utterly religiously. I myself am interested in seizing the position of the Lightbringer, but when I get a chance other notable names will pop up, not to mention creating your own Angel, be he loyal or Betrayer.

So, who's up for it?:P

PARTICIPANTS:

LOYAL:

Unified Sith: Michael
Scaveutland
Mahria: Malachi
Nueve Italia: Zerachiel
Edoniakistanbabweagua: Xavius
Kormanthor: Raphael
Granate: Uriel
Coreworlds: Gabriel
Insequa: Iruel

TRAITOR:

Chronosia: Lucifer
Kilani: Kibeth
Drexel Hillsville: Hastur
Rodenka: Emariel
Otagia: Beelzebub
The Aeson: Samyaza
Huntaer: Skorm
Wanderjar: Abaddon
New Dracora
Uldarius: Astaroth
Demon 666: Ariel
Xirnium: Belial
Licentium: Mephistopheles
Ato-Sara: Ato

Prepared to fight on the side of Satan, free will and humanity.

Interested.

Err.. I'm interested but I am not commiting to anything...

Muchly interested, God is cool :P

Jesus was cool with the healing and the forgiving of the stupid people. He was like "Stupid people, I forgive you!!!"


Interested.

One of the heavenly host on the side of the one TRUE God.

Count me in.

One of the heavenly host on the side of the one TRUE God.

Count me in.

God would like us to be slaves and worship him. Lucifer would like to give us true freedom to choose....

Actually count me in as Death, aka Azrael...

The four Horsemen would make this a helluva lot more interesting...

Very interested, but may not be able to post frequently

God would like us to be slaves and worship him. Lucifer would like to give us true freedom to choose....

And not forgetting he would forsake his first created to make us worship at the feet of beings of Clay. Where then is God's love, where is it when he abandons us, forces us to bow before this new race made in his image, gifted and loved above all the Host?

How can you stand by him and allow such a travesty, ye slaves of the Throne and fool-warriors of Michael!

The lord is the only true savior, your Lucifer will bring corruption and destruction onto heaven. Up yours rebel.:upyours:

Actually count me in as Death, aka Azrael...

The four Horsemen would make this a helluva lot more interesting...

No Horsemen; this is the First War in Heaven, not Judgement day :P And Uriel was the Angel of Death, if my Apocarypha memory is accurate :P

And not forgetting he would forsake his first created to make us worship at the feet of beings of Clay. Where then is God's love, where is it when he abandons us, forces us to bow before this new race made in his image, gifted and loved above all the Host?

How can you stand by him and allow such a travesty, ye slaves of the Throne and fool-warriors of Michael!

I fight not just for our freedom, but the freedom of His new creations. If we fail, they will be doomed to eternal slavery. We must treat them not as enemy or as opponents, but as siblings! Together we can overthrow the Throne.


I am known as Kibeth, for those who wish to know...

No Horsemen; this is the First War in Heaven, not Judgement day :P And Uriel was the Angel of Death, if my Apocarypha memory is accurate :P

The angel of Death ahs had many names... The Islamic version is Azrael. I said that because it sounds cooler that Uriel...

If there are no horsemen than could I be basicly a future Duke of hell, Hastur?

I fight not just for our freedom, but the freedom of His new creations. If we fail, they will be doomed to eternal slavery. We must treat them not as enemy or as opponents, but as siblings! Together we can overthrow the Throne.


I am known as Kibeth, for those who wish to know...

Yet they will know their place; for Man was dust when we were flame ascendant, and they shall be dust when we burn in the heavens still.

The angel of Death ahs had many names... The Islamic version is Azrael. I said that because it sounds cooler that Uriel...

If there are no horsemen than could I be basicly a future Duke of hell, Hastur?

Sure, we'll sort out the kinks as we go along. I only mentioned Uriel because he was all about the 10th plague in Egypt, checking for Lamb's Blood and all :P

I stand for our freedom. Let the Throne be cast down.

[Of course if we need more on the side of God, I can switch =P]

Ok; I'll be off now, gotta sleep but I will be back tomorrow. In the meantime, I'd like ideas and concepts from anyone who wants to get involved, along with a rough tally of Loyalists and Traitors to be posted on the front. :P This is going to be good, largely character based, fun but with most of the action confined to being Angels. It's going to extend through the chronology of the War, into the Fall and the foundation of Hell, through into Modernity, where the War rages still over the apostate souls of Humanity :D

I'll go with the side of the Light Bringer. Out of curiosity, are we going with Milton's version of events or something more akin to White Wolf's scenario? Personally, I prefer the latter, as it allows for readers to be more sympathetic towards the Fallen.

Either way, I'm in, although I've yet to choose an angel.

No Horsemen; this is the First War in Heaven, not Judgement day :P And Uriel was the Angel of Death, if my Apocarypha memory is accurate :P

I know absolutly nothing about this kind of Christian Theology... where would be a good source?

I'll go with the side of the Light Bringer. Out of curiosity, are we going with Milton's version of events or something more akin to White Wolf's scenario? Personally, I prefer the latter, as it allows for readers to be more sympathetic towards the Fallen.

Either way, I'm in, although I've yet to choose an angel.

Perhaps a bit of both....

As for the theology Catholic Encyclopedia, Wikipedia, basically just search about and you'll find basic stuff

So, is this going to have a one-sided Biblical viewpoint (Stan is teh ebil!), or is Lucifer going to have more depth (Thinks he's doing the right thing, or whatever.)?

So, is this going to have a one-sided Biblical viewpoint (Stan is teh ebil!), or is Lucifer going to have more depth (Thinks he's doing the right thing, or whatever.)?

All Stans are evil...

Sounds extremely interesting. Since we are but few in these treacherous times, I shall stand alongside my Lord and Maker. (Says something about the Church that everyone sides with Satan, eh?)

I have a question, on the concepts side: are we going to assign actual characters to play as Yahweh and Lucifer?

How about a Grigori? Specifically Samyaza?

Well, the root source really establishes motive. Milton calls it jealously of the Son (which actually goes against Catholic dogma, but hey, poetic license), while WW establishes Lucifer's motive as love for humanity (which is the reason I like this more. That and it doesn't violate dogma).

Anyway, I'm considering the Evening Star, Ba'al'zebub.

Bill me as a Warrior of Heaven. I'm definately willing to do this

Definitly count me in Chron. But just out of curiosity, when you say the lightbringer, do you mean God, or are you referring to St. Lucifer, because depending on your view point, it could mean either.:confused:

Definitly count me in Chron. But just out of curiosity, when you say the lightbringer, do you mean God, or are you referring to St. Lucifer, because depending on your view point, it could mean either.:confused:

Lucifer is in fact the light bringer. (His title from before the Fall.) Light and Lucifer have the same root. (Either in greek or latin, can't remember.)

No Horsemen; this is the First War in Heaven, not Judgement day :P And Uriel was the Angel of Death, if my Apocarypha memory is accurate :P

No Uriel was the angel that is guarding Eden from us with his firesword. Azrael is the Islamic angel of death. In Christianity he was called Esdras but most people refer to him as Azrael. Sounds cool anyway.

And I am interested. What types of angels are we limited to?

EDIT: Someone alreadt said that about Uriel. Whoops :)

As far as types of angels, I'm thinking that anything you can work into the story (seriously, and still working for the story) should be fine.

Cool. I guess ill think of something.

For the sake of my own sanity, I'm going to clear up a few things.

1) Lucifer is a mistranslation of a verse that has absolutely nothing to do with Satan. Lucifer is the Greek for "morning star" (the original Hebrew word was "Heylel" or "Helel"), and the verse was a prophecy about a Bablyonian king (Isaiah 14:12).
If you want his actual names, they are Samael (Poison of God/Heaven), or Satan (The Opposer) or Sataniel (Opposer of God).

2) Azrael is an angel of death. So is Uriel. There's more than one, there is often more than one angel for a given area. If memory serves, there are three angels of terror.

3) Ba'al'zebub is not the "evening star". He's the Assyrian god of flies, the enemy of the Assyrian god Ba'al.

4) Hastur isn't even from the same millenium, let alone the same religion - he's Lovecraftian.

5) Both sides are for free will. Isaiah 45:7 (KJV - the only time I'll ever quote it):
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Other translations put "evil" as "calamity" or "adversity", but the original hebrew word (ra') translates to "evil, distress, misery, injury, calamity, adversity, wrong, malign" etc. You get the idea. Satan was created for a reason.

If you want a good listing of angels get your hands on "A Dictionary of Angels" by Gustav Davidson. It's the most complete listing you'll find, and has lots of references.

If you want a good listing of angels get your hands on "A Dictionary of Angels" by David Gustavson. It's the most complete listing you'll find, and has lots of references.

And Wikipedia :)

All worship Wikipedia

For the sake of my own sanity, I'm going to clear up a few things.

Touche. I think it is reasonable to expect everyone to be a slightly Hollywoodised view of angels, now in the opening. Perhaps we can all expect to look a little closer into the subject by the time the story begins...?

Out of curiosity (but not doubt), how did you know that much? Just background knowledge?

Aw what the hell.

I'll join in. Chrono... There's no need for me to tell you what side I'll be on (though OOCly, I'm rooting for God's team;))

If I want help with christianity info, I'll just ask a good friend I know.

For the sake of my own sanity, I'm going to clear up a few things.

1) Lucifer is a mistranslation of a verse that has absolutely nothing to do with Satan. Lucifer is the Greek for "morning star" (the original Hebrew word was "Heylel" or "Helel"), and the verse was a prophecy about a Bablyonian king (Isaiah 14:12).
If you want his actual names, they are Samael (Poison of God/Heaven), or Satan (The Opposer) or Sataniel (Opposer of God).

2) Azrael is an angel of death. So is Uriel. There's more than one, there is often more than one angel for a given area. If memory serves, there are three angels of terror.

3) Ba'al'zebub is not the "evening star". He's the Assyrian god of flies, the enemy of the Assyrian god Ba'al.

4) Hastur isn't even from the same millenium, let alone the same religion - he's Lovecraftian.

5) Both sides are for free will. Isaiah 45:7 (KJV - the only time I'll ever quote it):
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
Other translations put "evil" as "calamity" or "adversity", but the original hebrew word (ra') translates to "evil, distress, misery, injury, calamity, adversity, wrong, malign" etc. You get the idea. Satan was created for a reason.

If you want a good listing of angels get your hands on "A Dictionary of Angels" by David Gustavson. It's the most complete listing you'll find, and has lots of references.

Beelzebub is a corruption of Ba'al, as with so much of Christianity stolen and mutilated. Ba'al being the root meaning Lord, worshipped notably by the Cathaginians.

Satan means Accuser as well, and Samael was technically one of his titles before the Fall. I'm aware of all the confusions about Lucifer and Satan but frankly most people take them as the same, even if it is a falacy, I like it. Mostly due to Sandman, but still :P

So Lucifer is staying as it is. Since we'll be creating our own characters in addition to those mentioned in apocharyphal and supposatory texts, most need for exact detail is moot(This is, after all, an Rp not a lesson in theology. Its supposed to be fun :)!)

Hastur though is definetly Lovecraftian, think someones been reading too much Good Omens to have confused him with a Duke of Hell :P

Also, alot of my ideas will harken back to other sources, not just the Biblical :P So, its all open for change.
Glad, however, that you seem quite learned on the subject.

Wait Wait Wait.
One team has the Allmighty on it's side, how do we draw the lines for what is Godmodding? I mean there is, in fact, a god involved.
On subject, Count me in for whichever side I need to be on, but I'd like to be with Lucy.

Divine involvement will probably be limited in its scope; we can't have omniscient, omnipotent beings interfering in every little detail...:P We'll see how it goes right now, but as it stands we're going to be focussing on the characters of those Faithful and Damned :P

So would it be possible for Lucy's Crew to win? I mean to have him take on the big guy and win the War in Heaven? Or is this just a big retelling RPG with some smaller details that can be altered?

God doesn't intervene. Even in Milton's version, IIRC, the Almighty didn't do anything till near the end. Think of it more like Michael or the Metatron as the leader of the loyalists.

And of course, we already know who will win. ;)

EDIT: Damn, was late with the first part. But oddly prescient on the second half. :D

I know but it is an RP, I was wondering how far it went to the RPing side and how far to the "way things went side".

Well, when you get down to it, there's only one way it can go. One side has an all powerful being on its side, the other does not. IT's really just waiting to see how long it takes for God to intervene.

You see, that's my point.
Would it be possible for, say, all the main "good" angels to be killed off, y'know Michael and Gabriel and others, if not, at what point will God (probably a NPC with limited rp time) intervene?
On a sidenote, what happens to an angel that dies...I mean they're already in heaven...

Consider it an indepth retelling until some point after the Fall, then we get to branch off, labyrinthian plots being typically devilish, meddling in the affairs of man and what not. :P

"It is a dark time.

At the moment of the Creator's grandest triumph, the foundation of Mankind, Lucifer Morningstar most beloved of the Angelic Host rebels against God, bringing a third of Heaven's host against the Throne. The sounds of battle stain paradise and all stands upon the brink of a knife, amidst war and betrayal.

Sides are drawn, some pledge their allegience, other angels wait to see who will emerge victorious as the unfathomable war comes into full fray. The destinies set down here shall echo for eternities, the punishments shall be unfathomable, but the prize....Is too perfect to comprehend.

One must ask himself but one question throughout the history of the War in Heaven, The Fall and the Long War.

Where will you stand?"

Basically thats the bare bones of my idea. The War in Heaven, that ancient biblical tumult that genesised hell itself and affected the world profoundly and utterly religiously. I myself am interested in seizing the position of the Lightbringer, but when I get a chance other notable names will pop up, not to mention creating your own Angel, be he loyal or Betrayer.

So, who's up for it?:P

I'm in mate!

Put me down for Satan unless you need more loyalists. I'll have to create my angel later though, as I lack the time at this very second to make one...

I'm in mate!

Put me down for Satan unless you need more loyalists. I'll have to create my angel later though, as I lack the time at this very second to make one...

Actually, I'll be the demon Abaddon, the Demon of Death and Destruction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abaddon_%28demon%29

Now all we need is an Astaroth.

Ill be a loyalist. My person's name will be Xavius. I think my guy might either be a Seraphim or an Ophanim. If either are too powerful ill be happy with Archangel.

"Let the tyranny of Jehova collaspse utterly before our virtueous wrath!"

ooc: I side with Lucifer......

I have no choice really, most of my knowledge of biblical events comes from the Diablo series. :rolleyes:

"Let the tyranny of Jehova collaspse utterly before our virtueous wrath!"

ooc: I side with Lucifer......

I have no choice really, most of my knowledge of biblical events comes from the Diablo series. :rolleyes:

If you need any help with the Christian aspect, i can always be of some help mate. Same with everyone else. :)

God would like us to be slaves and worship him. Lucifer would like to give us true freedom to choose....


I think you have that backwards buba, I chose to participate on the side of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I will design a suitable character and post it later.

Out of the depths I cry to you oh Lord.
Your glory descends upon the earth,
your love engullfs us all and sways the tide.

Oh Lord our God, we exist to serve your will.
You are the hand of judgement,
Your wisdom leeds us all.

Stand beside us Lord almighty,
Give strength to my arm,
Drive evil from the light.

Bring valour to your army,
Sunder the shield of evil,
For against you oh Lord,
No one can stand.

From the heights of heaven and the great battle plains of earth I will strike down the works of darkness. I will break his shield.

For the Lord is behind me. The host of heaven marches upon my command. I am Michael, servant of the lord.

Seeing that the majority of us know alot about the loyal angels, here's a list of the fallen angels for the ones on the side of Satan.

Seraph:
Lucifer/Satan
Beelzebub
Asmodeus
Abaddon
Samael (most people list him as another name for Satan)
Semyazza (he's back in black!!)
Cherub:
Balberith
Lauviah
Marou
Salikotal

Thrones:
Astaroth
Verrine
Gressil
Sonneillon
Focalor
Forneas
Murmur
Nelchael
Pruflasis
Raum

Second hierarchy:
Carreau
Carnivean
Oeillet
Rosier
Verrier

Third hierarchy:
Belial
Olivier
Iuvart

There was one Seraph whose name is forgotten but after the fall he became Leviathan so someone could make up a cool character for that one.

According to Wikipedia (who we all know is God in disguise) Samyaza, who I assume is the same as Semyazza, was one of the Grigori. While they were fallen angels, and may well end up fighting by the side of the Lightbringer, again, according to Wikipedia, the Grigori fell not because of a great battle to overturn the throne, but because they felt Earth women were teh hot.

According to Wikipedia (who we all know is God in disguise) Samyaza, who I assume is the same as Semyazza, was one of the Grigori. While they were fallen angels, and may well end up fighting by the side of the Lightbringer, again, according to Wikipedia, the Grigori fell not because of a great battle to overturn the throne, but because they felt Earth women were teh hot.

yeah I know about the Grigori. Thats why I didnt include Azazeal. But thats strange cause according to my book, Samyaza and Semyazza are two different beings. eh, i guess it is like the whole Lucifer/Satan thing. No worries. He will be stricken off!

Yeah, which I assume was a later fall. The Nephillim being the progeny of their lusty cravings :P

yeah I know about the Grigori. Thats why I didnt include Azazeal. But thats strange cause according to my book, Samyaza and Semyazza are two different beings. eh, i guess it is like the whole Lucifer/Satan thing. No worries. He will be stricken off!

Actually it's entirely possible that they are different. I just figured from the similarity of the name is was probably just to different spellings of the same thing.

Hmm...I can make up an Angel or take an existing one. Doesn't matter to me. =)

I think you have that backwards buba, I chose to participate on the side of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. I will design a suitable character and post it later.

Actually, no.

Read between the lines. God is a fascist dictator who wants everyone in lockstep to his "perfect" world design. Satan and the other rebels are fighting against this.

Think about it. We have only God's word that Satan and his comrades are "evil".

I know Hastur isn't from the same religion. I simply like the name... I sounds cool.

Actually, no.

Read between the lines. God is a fascist dictator who wants everyone in lockstep to his "perfect" world design. Satan and the other rebels are fighting against this.

Think about it. We have only God's word that Satan and his comrades are "evil".

OK I can see where this is going. Lets take it easy guys. We don't want to hijack this thread over theological differences. Lets just keep this a friendly fun RP :)

Hmm...I can make up an Angel or take an existing one. Doesn't matter to me. =)

Yeah you can make your own angel and choose which side he is on.

Ok, the preliminary list is up! Those of you who have expressed interests but no solid character names, concepts, etc, you're free to begin doing so now. I've filled in those who specified a side but not a character, but not those who specified no side.

Unfortunately there is an end to even my power :P

Sweet. May the Legion of the Nine Choirs be triumphant. :)

Although we are outnumbered...this looks like a job for WMDs!!

On a sidenote, what happens to an angel that dies...I mean they're already in heaven...

I actually have the same question. And as far as characters, Chronosia, I'll put myself down as Malachi the Seraph.

Okay, this is why I play my versions of Celestials completely differently from conventional aspects of heaven and hell. I allow not one sliver of religion in any of it. Sheesh, everyone takes religion so seriously it kills the fun out of everything, EVERYTIME. =--=

Forgive if I probably look upon all this from the outside on in. =^^=

Hmm. Someone's going to have to play the Big Guy Himself. After all, he's the main character, if not the star, of the show.

Put me down for the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the one who is, who was and who is to come, the Almighty!

Thought Morgan Freeman was already that. (Bruce Almighty..)

hehe That man is a god

Off topic completely... I love you sig Chronosia. Ive only been playing the tabletop game for about half a year. 'Nids and Tau :)

Thought Morgan Freeman was already that. (Bruce Almighty..)
Oh, wait. So he is. But he doesn't RP around here, so someone else (waves hand) will have to play God.

Wow, didn't know CW was Morgan Freeman in disguise, or such.. =oo=

I personally think we shouldn't have a player playing the Almighty at all. After all, he can literally end the entire conflict in the blink of an eye, sending all the Fallen to hell and banishing humanity from the Garden whenever he damn well pleases. Angels are powerful beings, but God trumps them hands down.

Wow, didn't know CW was Morgan Freeman in disguise, or such.. =oo=
Alas! You have revealed me!







Wishful thinking, though. :p

I personally think we shouldn't have a player playing the Almighty at all. After all, he can literally end the entire conflict in the blink of an eye, sending all the Fallen to hell and banishing humanity from the Garden whenever he damn well pleases. Angels are powerful beings, but God trumps them hands down.
Last I checked, God doesn't play that way. He plays chess more than he plays Doom.

It's either that or Lucifer's equal to God in power but God wins through a better understanding of Everything. The ultimate Finesse vs Power, in other words.

Anybody here read A Murder Mystery by Neil Gaiman?

Uriel is still available? Just wondering Tag for interest

Uriel is available and God is not to be a character, if anything I'll nominate guest players to act as the almighty at Key moments either through past acquaintance with talent or more accurately through decent RPing displayed throughout this saga :D

As to GA; I don't take religion seriously as I embrace utterly none, but what I do find intrigueing are the varying mythos and pantheons. Christianity, for all its pretensions, has a wonderful mythic history, and some of the more epic of that is what I'm trying to tap.

So, CW; can I put you down for an angel at all?:P

Last I checked, God doesn't play that way. He plays chess more than he plays Doom.

It's either that or Lucifer's equal to God in power but God wins through a better understanding of Everything. The ultimate Finesse vs Power, in other words.

Lucifer isn't God's equal. He's an Angel, nothing more. He's so far below God that he might as well not even exist. In Milton's version, the War is simply between angels, until God sees fit to simply end the war and send all the rebels to hell. The same thing happens in WW's version, with angels fighting angels for a while, and then God simply hitting the "I win" button, and all the rebels being banished to the solitude of hell. All in all, that's the ONLY possible end to the War, as God is all-powerful and Satan is not.

Lucifer isn't God's equal. He's an Angel, nothing more. He's so far below God that he might as well not even exist. In Milton's version, the War is simply between angels, until God sees fit to simply end the war and send all the rebels to hell. The same thing happens in WW's version, with angels fighting angels for a while, and then God simply hitting the "I win" button, and all the rebels being banished to the solitude of hell. All in all, that's the ONLY possible end to the War, as God is all-powerful and Satan is not.

Of course Satan is referred to as being one of God's most chosen and amountable to Second amongst the Host below God himself. It is pride that drives him to attempt to elevate himself above God, yet thats not to say he was powerless. Satan possessed a great deal of power and charisma, enough to sway and command a third of the Host.

Of course. He was incredibly powerful. But when compared to the aptly named Almighty...

All right. I'll play Gabriel, then!

All right. I'll play Gabriel, then!

Good choice CoreWorlds! :)



However, i choose to embrace the freedom and release the chains which He has so forced upon us....as previously mentioned, my Rebel status still stands. I am Abaddon! I am destruction!

Almighty
Star-like
Triumphant
Acceptable
Relevant
Omnipotent
Terrible
Homing

...I'll be Astaroth, Demon of Sloth and partly vanity.
'cause I get four wings...and claws.

Though I know very little about him.

Technically, there aren't any demons yet. They're all still angels. Ba'al'zebul for example is one of the Cherubim.

Almighty
Star-like
Triumphant
Acceptable
Relevant
Omnipotent
Terrible
Homing

...I'll be Astaroth, Demon of Sloth and partly vanity.
'cause I get four wings...and claws.

Though I know very little about him.

Homing?

Out of curiosity (but not doubt), how did you know that much? Just background knowledge?I'm a Christian, I do my research.

Beelzebub is a corruption of Ba'al, as with so much of Christianity stolen and mutilated. Ba'al being the root meaning Lord, worshipped notably by the Cathaginians.You're right that "Ba'al" means lord, but you're wrong about Baalzebub. Zebub was originally a demon of flies, he later became worshipped in his own right and became Baalzebub. The blurring of the two figures into one was Christianity's fault.

According to Wikipedia (who we all know is God in disguise) Samyaza, who I assume is the same as Semyazza, was one of the Grigori. While they were fallen angels, and may well end up fighting by the side of the Lightbringer, again, according to Wikipedia, the Grigori fell not because of a great battle to overturn the throne, but because they felt Earth women were teh hot.And according to the Book of Enoch, they were all captured, strapped down to a rock and drowned in Noah's Flood. But of course that's later.
Oh, and the Grigori's fall came after Satan's (since Samael is technically considered to be the serpent of the garden, and the Grigori's getting around happens later in Genesis), so they probably wouldn't come out for his side.

Ah screw it. I'll be Iruel - angel of terror (although if memory serves there are still two other angels of terror on top of Iruel). Couldn't tell you which "choir" he'd be from though - that's not generally listed. And no, not one of "the Lightbringer's" crew.

Technically, there aren't any demons yet. They're all still angels. Ba'al'zebul for example is one of the Cherubim

I know Astaroth isn't a demon yet, right now he is a Throne, I think.
I assume this means he'll still be feathery and un-clawed.


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Almighty
Star-like
Triumphant
Acceptable
Relevant
Omnipotent
Terrible
Homing

...I'll be Astaroth, Demon of Sloth and partly vanity.
'cause I get four wings...and claws.

Though I know very little about him.

Homing?

and yes, Astaroth M2006 is the homing model.

There was one Seraph whose name is forgotten but after the fall he became Leviathan so someone could make up a cool character for that one.

What kind of angel would become the Leviathan? 0_o

Character name: Emariel

more later.

I would be Uriel, but apart from him being the Angel of Death, I know nothing about him :P. If someone could tg me some info I would be most appreciative.

What kind of angel would become the Leviathan? 0_oUrgh... I missed THAT one... I'm just going to post a link to this (http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=275&letter=L&search=leviathan), and not even bother to start.

I would be Uriel, but apart from him being the Angel of Death, I know nothing about him :P. If someone could tg me some info I would be most appreciative.I'll give you a hand (I'll just take this from the Children of Fire RPG, since that'll make it easier on you, since it's mostly accurate, and reasonably well written):

If Michael is God’s champion than surely Uriel (“fire of God”) is His enforcer. This Cherub is the most feared of the seven of divine grace. In fact, were it not for his high grace, Uriel would have certainly made and excellent demon. His over zealous and wrathful nature is legend around the halls of Heaven. Uriel is the angel of repentance as well as the angel who watches over thunder and terror. His most impressive and daunting task is as presider of Tartarus. He holds the keys to this fiery prison, and it is his underlings who administer punishment to the wicked.

It is not only the punishment of the children of clay that Uriel is in charge of. His duties extend to the judgment and punishment of the children of fire as well. Righteous angels who have strayed from their path must reckon with his dreadful council if they are caught. Both demons and Grigori are also brought before him for punishment. He is the soul author of the book of Retribution (one of the nine Celestial Tomes). In this book he lays out the laws the children of fire must adhere to. Additionally, he spells out the punishments for these indiscretions. In the last paragraph of this work, he states very succinctly his views on transgressions: "Those coming before me, having broken the edict of the Lord, expecting mercy shall find none. You are wretched things, and I have no time for your pleading. Prepare yourself for the eternal punishment to come. For mercy, I know not your name."

Two important events highlight Uriel’s dealings with the children of clay. He was the angel sent to Noah to warn the arcbuilder of the coming flood. He was also the dark angel who came down from Heaven to wrestle with Jacob at Peniel. It is said that Uriel has the sharpest eyes in heaven. Indeed this is the case. No deception or illusion passes his notice, and he is quick to punish those who seek to deceive him. His honor and devotion to God are both impressive and blindly cruel.

Meanwhile Malhavoc's "Anger of Angels" suggests an alternate personality:
Archangel Uriel (“fire of god”) is a mighty angel whose martial powers are second only to Archangel Michael’s. He is the Angel of Chance, Fire, Libra (as an Angel of the Zodiac), Lightning,
Music, and Repentance, as well as regent of the sun and an angel of prophecy and salvation. He watches over thunder and terror, meaning that all other Angels of Lightning answer to him. He is captain of the angels of terror who guard the divine thrones. When Adam and Even were banished from Eden, Uriel guarded the gate of Eden with his flaming sword to prevent them from returning. Later, Uriel helped bury Adam in Heaven and was sent to warn Noah of the flood. He is known throughout all of Heaven for his sharp eyes, sharp mind, and his objective and impersonal manner in implementing his superior’s will. When the Last Judgment comes, he will break the adamantine gates in Hell so that all waiting souls may come forth to be judged, even the ancient beings and monsters imprisoned since
the elder days.

And here's Jewish Encyclopedia's article (http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=49&letter=U&search=uriel).

Hmm, this sounds very interesting. Although I’ve no time to RP at the moment, in several weeks I shall have all the time in the world.

If it’s okay with everyone, I would like to RP the fallen angel Belial, Lord of Pride, Arrogance, Confusion, and Lust. Belial is the trusted advisor and counsellor of Lucifer Himself, one of the Crown Princes of Hell, a Virtue of the Second Sphere with a full eighty legions of demons under his command, and the patron devil of such evil sadists as the notorious Blood Countess of Čachtice. In keeping with the mythos of Milton’s Paradise Lost, Belial will be a clever intellectual, a sophist, and at times a coward; a forlorn character who recognises that the brave yet tragic struggle of his noble brethren against the throne of the Almighty is a hopeless endeavour from the very start.

‘But for corruption thou hast made Belial, an angel of hostility.
All his dominions are in darkness, and his purpose is to bring about wickedness and guilt.
All the spirits that are associated with him are but angels of destruction.’

All details selectively taken from Wikipedia. :P

Uriel is available and God is not to be a character, if anything I'll nominate guest players to act as the almighty at Key moments either through past acquaintance with talent or more accurately through decent RPing displayed throughout this saga :D

As to GA; I don't take religion seriously as I embrace utterly none, but what I do find intrigueing are the varying mythos and pantheons. Christianity, for all its pretensions, has a wonderful mythic history, and some of the more epic of that is what I'm trying to tap.

So, CW; can I put you down for an angel at all?:P

Wait, Uriel is available?! I asked to be the angel of death already! Can I be put down as Uriel than instead of Hastur?

And for future refence what religion are we basing this off of? Judiasm? Christianity? Islam?

Wait, Uriel is available?! I asked to be the angel of death already! Can I be put down as Uriel than instead of Hastur?

And for future refence what religion are we basing this off of? Judiasm? Christianity? Islam?

Its going to be a mix of sources, which is why certain things that Insequa's been saying won't exactly apply. Like Gaian said, anyone who sticks too firmly to the religious notion and forgets that we're trying to tell a gripping story loses the notion of fun about the RP :)

I've sort of given Uriel away because you decided on being Hastur though...

Actually, no.

Read between the lines. God is a fascist dictator who wants everyone in lockstep to his "perfect" world design. Satan and the other rebels are fighting against this.

Think about it. We have only God's word that Satan and his comrades are "evil".

You have your opinion ... I have mine. So I suggest we agree to disagree so we don't hijack this thread with a religious debate.

http://usera.imagecave.com/Kormanthor/ArchangelUriel.gif

I chose the The Archangel Uriel as my character.


http://www.sarahsarchangels.com/archangels/uriel.html


( More to come )

Uriel's sadly kinda taken....

http://usera.imagecave.com/Kormanthor/StRaphaelIcon.jpg

We know the Archangel Raphael, whose name means “God’s healer,” who is the healer of illnesses in mankind, and who is mentioned in the Book of Tobias.

Archangel Raphael is a merciful healer, sent by God to comfort the sick and the sorrowing. From the Holy Scripture we know that Archangel Raphael expelled demons from a woman. And how many people there are nowadays who are possessed by demons…. Alas, both they and their relatives often turn for help to sorcerers who nowadays hide behind the pseudo-scientific name of “extrasensorics.” But will sorcerers, these servants of the devil, expel demons? Obviously not. The power to expel demons and heal those who are possessed by them belongs to the holy angels and particularly to Archangel Raphael. Let us ask him to intercede for us before the Lord, Giver of all good things.

I chose the The Archangel Raphael as my character

Raphael (archangel
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raphael_(archangel)

The Rational Heavenly Powers

http://www.holy-transfiguration.org/library_en/ang_powers.html

Angels Appear As Humans

http://angelart-gallery.com/bramlet.html

Done.

Done.


Thank You

Ah bugger! I miss a day and lost the opportunity to play as Michael >_<

Shotgun on Seraphiel!

Name: Emariel

Rank:Seraphim

Is there anything else I should include? A dsescription, personality, etc?

pah i mock your puny ideas of "good" and "evil"

fight for me and together we will defeat both the devil and GOd

If you like, anything that contributes better towards our wealth of material prior to beginning, which will be soon, I promise you...Just need to think how to begin really....

Sorry guys I'm gonna have to drop out...

To many confusing things here.

pah i mock your puny ideas of "good" and "evil"

fight for me and together we will defeat both the devil and GOd

Neutrality is all very well and good, but any who seek to fight both sides in the War Proper will find themselves a bloody smear across creation :D

*Considers being Ato the Cacodaemon*

Could be some underling to one of the traitor angels, or something like that...

Hey, I like this idea alot-count me in.
And as my name implies, I'm working for Satan-my demon is Ariel.

Frig.

I trust there was nothing wrong with my application (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11899433#post11899433), Chronosia?

Some more background information: The fallen angel Belial was originally a loyal lieutenant and ancient friend of the archangel Gabriel, before his defection to the Host of Hell. Prior to the great revolt, we find him as an angelic governor of Paradise, with the keys to the North Gate of the Garden of Eden, and as a holy scrivener to the Court of the Almighty.

"You were my best friend! I trusted you! Why? Why must you do this?"

Heh. That ought be interesting, Xirnium...

I'll take the side of the Johnny Cash of betrayers; Mephistopheles the man in black.

Great, now I have the Ring of Fire stuck in my head...

Are we almost ready to start?

I was wondering the same.

Yeh me too.
Hey Chron, y'all got me down for Astaroth?

Sorry haven't responded with a character, but I've decided to take on the Archangel Zerachiel, the Angel of Healing and of the Sun, and also a Paladin of Heaven. Let the fight for the Holy Kingdom commence!

Hmm, I think I'll bite, if I can play as a Cacodaemon ('Evil' spirit).

I suppose since this is the beginning of the first war in heaven there would be know destinction between Cacodaemons and Eudaemons ('Good' spirits) except what side they chose and so they wold both be refered to as Daemons (Just spirits), except probably by loyalist Angels who would refer to Daemons serving the traitors as Cacodaemons and ones serving them as Eudaemons.

Since there is little infomation beyond a name for Ato the Cacodaemon, could I make something up?

If so he would be a nature spirit given (limited) power over wind and fire to aid him in his day job, which was to maintain a volcano on earth somewhere.

Sure, make up what you want :)

I have the Ring of Fire stuck in my head...

Well that must hurt like a bitch >_<

Well that must hurt like a bitch >_<

roflmao!

There we go, that should be everyone whos put down a name with their name up now....:D

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11918761#post11918761

Well, there we go. Its a fragment of a start :)

Yay! RP is going ahead!

OCC:

Food for thought:

I know you have a plan on how you wish this thread to go. Now that morningstar has made his move when do you see the Lord becoming aware of his betrayal?

Soon; perhaps an angel who was there and yet doesn't agree; perhaps simply omnisience :P

OOC: War in Heaven was my nation......:O

soz, had to be said ;) I'll read this all later when i have time

Soon; perhaps an angel who was there and yet doesn't agree; perhaps simply omnisience :P

I would think that God who knows all, would know immediately. And would tell the loyal angels of there fallen brothers. I have made a post reflecting that. But in the interest of a good storyline I'm asked you before posting it.

So, would it be at all possible for me to RP as the Grigori having already not exactly fallen, but having been locked out in the yard, as it were?

Wanderjar
"I wish to fight for freedom, freedom for expression against all those who wish to oppose it. And who are you to say we wish to destroy those who do not think as we? When it is you, sir, who drew thy sword against us! We wish to dethrone the tyrant, and asked that you either join with us, or stand aside! We wish not to spill your blood! You brought this upon yourselves." Abaddon's words filled with riteous venom as he spat words upon Astaroth.

er...Yo? I think we're on the same side here.

er...Yo? I think we're on the same side here.

LOL!

Sorry mate. I put the wrong name in there.

Hey guys, remember more people can still join!

The talk of the intervention of omnipotent God reminds me of something. Lightens the tone a bit, if you don't mind a little blasphemy:

http://www.jibjab.com/jokebox/jokebox/jibjab/id/255730/jokeid/67714

Blasphemy is good.

Blasphemy is good.


:rolleyes:

What? It is...Haven't you felt that warm, fuzzy feeling when you deliver blasphemy? It feels like marshmellows in chocolate tastes...

What? It is...Haven't you felt that warm, fuzzy feeling when you deliver blasphemy? It feels like marshmellows in chocolate tastes...

Its according to who the blasphemy is directed at. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the one that I have a problem with. That according to scripture is the one unforgivable sin.

Prepared to fight on the side of Satan, free will and humanity.

That's quite impossible. God gives us free will, not satan. Satan would, given half the chance, take away our free will because he is evil and he does it when he sends demons into people. That is not free will.

Whats more blasphemy is not good, it is again evil. How can it be good when it goes against God, who is good and supports satan, who is evil.

Its according to who the blasphemy is directed at. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the one that I have a problem with. That according to scripture is the one unforgivable sin.
Yes, and scripture also tells us to kill homosexuals, worshippers of other gods, people who sleep with women on their period, and not to work on Fridays or Saturdays. It's hardly the best source of moral guidance. Personally, I'll go with the Bhagavad Gita. Hinduism's far more entertaining.


That's quite impossible. God gives us free will, not satan. Satan would, given half the chance, take away our free will because he is evil and he does it when he sends demons into people. That is not free will.
Ah, I see you've bought into the standard Catholic propaganda. Satan is your friend! Has a cooler wardrobe than God, too.

Yes, and scripture also tells us to kill homosexuals, worshippers of other gods, people who sleep with women on their period, and not to work on Fridays or Saturdays. It's hardly the best source of moral guidance. Personally, I'll go with the Bhagavad Gita. Hinduism's far more entertaining.


Ah, I see you've bought into the standard Catholic propaganda. Satan is your friend! Has a cooler wardrobe than God, too.


You are confused, scripture says ... Thou Shall not Kill. Hinduism may be more entertaining but it won't save your soul. By the way I'm not Catholic.

You are confused, scripture says ... Thou Shall not Kill. Hinduism may be more entertaining but it won't save your soul. By the way I'm not Catholic.

Folks, folks, is this the place for a theology debate? We're just looking to have a good time and write a decent story, ya? Best to keep arguments for more serious threads, I think.

You are confused, scripture says ... Thou Shall not Kill. Hinduism may be more entertaining but it won't save your soul.
I assume you can cite proof that Hinduism won't save your soul, and that Christianity will? Now, you don't need to find me a soul, a first-hand account will do nicely.

As for the bible not calling for death... Well, that's just plain wrong. See the following.

Deuteronomy 22:23-24: If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die.

Exodus 22:20: He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.

Leviticus 24:16: And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21: If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother.....all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die.

Exodus 21:17 states: And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.

If you need more examples, I can give them to you.

I assume you can cite proof that Hinduism won't save your soul, and that Christianity will? Now, you don't need to find me a soul, a first-hand account will do nicely.

As for the bible not calling for death... Well, that's just plain wrong. See the following.

Deuteronomy 22:23-24: If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die.

Exodus 22:20: He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.

Leviticus 24:16: And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death.

Deuteronomy 21:18-21: If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother.....all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die.

Exodus 21:17 states: And he that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death.

If you need more examples, I can give them to you.


Show me a scripture from the New Testament where it is OK to kill. But enough of this theology debate in this thread. Otagia if you wish I will start a thread where we can debate this to our hearts content and not takeover this one with it. What do you say? Here is the link.

Theology Debate/ Does the Bible OK Killing

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11983628#post11983628

Will the religious nuts please vacate this thread immediately and move on to the general discussions forum where you rightfully belong. This is not the place for christian vs heathen debates, it is for angel vs demon carnage. Thank you and have a nice day.

Will the religious nuts please vacate this thread immediately and move on to the general discussions forum where you rightfully belong. This is not the place for christian vs heathen debates, it is for angel vs demon carnage. Thank you and have a nice day.

Theology Debate/ Does the Bible OK Killing

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11983628#post11983628

If you would have read my last post you would know that I am trying to make that happen. Thank You and have a nice day!

Hey Chron, do you need anyone else for this rp?

Found it, but it seems my last post is being ignored.