NationStates Jolt Archive

This is the OOC thread. Please keep as much OOC talk related to this RP in here as possible!

Current IC thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=528378)

Old IC thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=505452)

A few things...

-This RP is OPEN!! There is no "Can I join?" It's "Get your ass in here and don't godmod!"
-The occupying forces are located in ViZion's Italia claim (see maps below) They are primarily: Doom, Quester, Prae, and MP. However! MP is currently unable to RP, so you can essentially mark him off this RP.
-Should you godmod (cheat), you MIGHT be given a second chance if the players on this RP allow it... if not, then you'll just be ignored and asked to leave. If you dont, we may ask a mod to delete all your posts and remove you from it.
-If you have any questions, please ask! Rather it's on something ICly about this RP, or if you need help w/ your RPing skills, we're more than willing to help you as well all want a good, fun RP! :)

MAPS:
http://www.freewebs.com/vizionpics/ItalyMap.JPG < ViZion Italia
http://www.freewebs.com/vizionpics/mapafrica.JPG < ViZion Africa - Tunisia, Angola, Zambia, and Tanzania
Doom, Jarridia, and Quester, Prae, other major players - Please post up your maps and I'll add them to this.

Some background...
Back about six years ago (NS time) ViZion was thrown into a bloody civil war with then-President Villian deciding to take over ViZion. He stormed the capital, however failed at killing off the Congress as they were saved (most of them) by allied forced and evacuated out of the country. While the loyalists fought great and bravely, the entrance of multiple outside forces caused them to crumble under all the opposition.

ViZion Italia has since, for the past five years, been occupied by four primary nations: Prea, Quester, MP, and Doom. Recently, however, the rebels began attacking the ViZion in Africa - which has remained free and under the old government. The loyalists began to rally, and Hiro Ando V - great great great grandson of ViZion's greatest President ever, President Hiro "Chiefy" Ando - quickly came to the forefront and has begun to lead the ViZionarians, as the loyalists have begun to organize and prepare for all-out war to reclaim their land, as Doom and others have begun plotting to take over all of ViZion.

Click here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=461880) to see the thread for the first half of the civil war pre-5 year cold stand-off in which ViZion Italia has been occupied by outside forces and ViZion's African claims have remained untouched.

Other threads related:
Hiroism is a Term (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=504740)
The Return to Power (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=505247)

Thanks! Have fun RPing! :)

I'll be putting a post up in the not to distant future

Alright :) Hopin to get alotta nations - on both sides - both new and old involved... I haven't RP'd much at all since the begining of 06 back when the first half of this war essentially ended so I haven't RP'd w/ alotta the new guys... plus a bit rusty obviously due to this... Oh well, this'll be fun. C'mon people - new and old - come and join, this'll be a goooood war/RP, old school style. I promise. :)

OK, so the blue diamonds are ViZ. Where on the map of Italy are the main rebel forces, and where is Medit City?

And what is the status of Corsica, Sardinia, and Cyprus? In a very old post, my Templar Knights have possession of three Cyprian towns.

Btw, its Questers, not Quester.

[OOC: Er, Dismiscus is a 7 million nation, he has pledged a GIGANTIC military force for his size...]

OK, so the blue diamonds are ViZ. Where on the map of Italy are the main rebel forces, and where is Medit City?

And what is the status of Corsica, Sardinia, and Cyprus? In a very old post, my Templar Knights have possession of three Cyprian towns.

Templar Knights? Lol, you should be allied to me: I'm a Catholic theocracy.

Templar Knights? Lol, you should be allied to me: I'm a Catholic theocracy.


Sounds good. But right now, we're on opposite sides of the fence. Invasion imminent..............

BTW, this is as good a place as any to post this: My main nation is Xeraph. I'm using Auralinia for posting things Xeraphian because of the JOLT link mess. I haven't been able to log Xeraph onto the forums for almost 14 weeks.

Also, I want to say here that I now have direct control of all of the nations in my region (Mercenary Lands) except Vhammpyr. Previously, I had only one other nation (WRM). No, I will no "dogpile" anyone. I will match nation for nation. The White-Robed Monks and Sybese Oasis are non-military nations.
So that leaves the Black Katanas, Black Shadows, the Grey Legions, the Grey Phoenix and the Isles of Xeraph. Black Shadows and The Isles are out of this thread as they are basically HomeLand Security Forces. So you'll probably just see Auralinia (as Xeraph), the Katanas, the Legions, and the Phoenix.

Also, I've noticed that there are several GAPTS nations involved. I'd prefer this not become a GAPTS oriented thing. It would be over way too quickly.

Jagite OOB:

-=First Grand Fleet=-
Commander: Admiral Miyabe Daijirô Kazunori
3 Storm Class-Dreadnaughts
20 Genesis-Class Battleships
9 Rikou-Class Heavy Carriers
30 Warlord-Class Battlecruisers
38 TaeKwonDo-Class Destroyers
55 Tournament-Class Attack Cruisers
28 Tenchi-Class Missile Cruisers
35 Sidestreamer-Class Frigates
60 York-Class Corvettes
45 Silence-Class Nuclear Attack Submarines
14 Sweeper-Class Mine Sweepers

-=Fifth Grand Fleet=-
Commander: Admiral Yanagizawa Ryôgorô Takechika
3 Storm Class-Dreadnaughts
20 Genesis-Class Battleships
9 Rikou-Class Heavy Carriers
30 Warlord-Class Battlecruisers
38 TaeKwonDo-Class Destroyers
55 Tournament-Class Attack Cruisers
28 Tenchi-Class Missile Cruisers
35 Sidestreamer-Class Frigates
60 York-Class Corvettes
45 Silence-Class Nuclear Attack Submarines
14 Sweeper-Class Mine Sweepers

-=Seventh Grand Fleet=-
Commander: Admiral Ôtomo Matashirô Hiramoto
3 Storm Class-Dreadnaughts
20 Genesis-Class Battleships
9 Rikou-Class Heavy Carriers
30 Warlord-Class Battlecruisers
38 TaeKwonDo-Class Destroyers
55 Tournament-Class Attack Cruisers
28 Tenchi-Class Missile Cruisers
35 Sidestreamer-Class Frigates
60 York-Class Corvettes
45 Silence-Class Nuclear Attack Submarines
14 Sweeper-Class Mine Sweepers


Any sort of invasion forces will come after naval surpremecy has been established and a note of them will be made here.

Sounds good. But right now, we're on opposite sides of the fence. Invasion imminent..............

BTW, this is as good a place as any to post this: My main nation is Xeraph. I'm using Auralinia for posting things Xeraphian because of the JOLT link mess. I haven't been able to log Xeraph onto the forums for almost 14 weeks.

Also, I want to say here that I now have direct control of all of the nations in my region (Mercenary Lands) except Vhammpyr. Previously, I had only one other nation (WRM). No, I will no "dogpile" anyone. I will match nation for nation. The White-Robed Monks and Sybese Oasis are non-military nations.
So that leaves the Black Katanas, Black Shadows, the Grey Legions, the Grey Phoenix and the Isles of Xeraph. Black Shadows and The Isles are out of this thread as they are basically HomeLand Security Forces. So you'll probably just see Auralinia (as Xeraph), the Katanas, the Legions, and the Phoenix.

Also, I've noticed that there are several GAPTS nations involved. I'd prefer this not become a GAPTS oriented thing. It would be over way too quickly.
Ummm, no. Just no. Puppet wanking is about as n00bish as it gets. I can garuntee you that Vizion will probably throw you out of the RP if you use puppets. Use only one nation.

Jagada, you have MSN/AIM?

Sounds good. But right now, we're on opposite sides of the fence. Invasion imminent..............

BTW, this is as good a place as any to post this: My main nation is Xeraph. I'm using Auralinia for posting things Xeraphian because of the JOLT link mess. I haven't been able to log Xeraph onto the forums for almost 14 weeks.

Also, I want to say here that I now have direct control of all of the nations in my region (Mercenary Lands) except Vhammpyr. Previously, I had only one other nation (WRM). No, I will no "dogpile" anyone. I will match nation for nation. The White-Robed Monks and Sybese Oasis are non-military nations.
So that leaves the Black Katanas, Black Shadows, the Grey Legions, the Grey Phoenix and the Isles of Xeraph. Black Shadows and The Isles are out of this thread as they are basically HomeLand Security Forces. So you'll probably just see Auralinia (as Xeraph), the Katanas, the Legions, and the Phoenix.

Also, I've noticed that there are several GAPTS nations involved. I'd prefer this not become a GAPTS oriented thing. It would be over way too quickly.

...No, you don't use puppets. It's not 2003, Xeraph. or should I call you Whittier?

By the way, I wouldn't be so confident about GAPTS if I where you.

Well unlike other nations who most of you all seem to be in multiple wars at once. I can pull everything I have.

Well unlike other nations who most of you all seem to be in multiple wars at once. I can pull everything I have.

Which doesn't look like much, or enough, at this point.

Which doesn't look like much, or enough, at this point.

I've barely pulled 10% of what I can get. So far I've deployed the first strike and 3rd world engagers. The ones I always have ready for Noob enemies.
I'm going to add at least 3 more ship flleets and 2 sub fleets.
And at least a full Mechinized Army and an Infantry Group.

And?

And? For me all that together is around
4 Million soldiers, over 8000 Vehicles. At least 2000 ships and around 5000 Aircraft. Without a sweat...

With a sweat (Hurting my country's morale and ecnomy)... Double or triple it. That and I can have others open up a second front using piracy.

Well, considering good relations with Questers and this takes place after the Last Good War I'm either gonna sit this one out or support Doom/Questers/Praetonia, aka the occupiers.

Well, considering good relations with Questers and this takes place after the Last Good War I'm either gonna sit this one out or support Doom/Questers/Praetonia, aka the occupiers.

As there is a 100% chance that my government will change radically during the Last Good War, and about a 25% thereof that it will end up a Doomish colony or puppet, I might have to participate on pain of really bad things, but I can't until that RP is prosecuted to a successful conclusion. So I'm in a bit of a quandary. Perhaps I could participate retroactively after that RP is over (i.e. depending on the outcome, we could say "The occupying powers of Doomingsland, Questers, Praetonia, The Silver Sky, and Czardas" instead of just the former four).

For me all that together is around
4 Million soldiers, over 8000 Vehicles. At least 2000 ships and around 5000 Aircraft. Without a sweat...

With a sweat (Hurting my country's morale and ecnomy)... Double or triple it. That and I can have others open up a second front using piracy.

And you're going to use all of that in a single conflict to help a rebellion in a nation? Ask yourself, woulda government really donate THAT much percentage of its armed forces (not that I care, the numbers are still irrelevant) to help free a nation?

And you're going to use all of that in a single conflict to help a rebellion in a nation? Ask yourself, woulda government really donate THAT much percentage of its armed forces (not that I care, the numbers are still irrelevant) to help free a nation?
Not unless they have something REALLY BIG to gain.

Would it be possible for my nation to offer to aid in evacuation and/or to provide covert financial assistance to ViZion? I ask because I play Krioval as FT, and while I feel I could fudge MT relations outside of war, I'd be crap at playing a MT army.

Ya, you can help evac... also sry guys, really busy today and tomorrows pretty busy, if I got time in the morning, then I'll post, if not, looks like it'll likely be Mon before I'm gonna be able to continue the RP...

Well, since my method of occupation is a tad bit unorthodox, I should probably explain it so everyone has a clear idea of what's going on in my sector.

When I originally occupied South Vizion, I rounded up 'undesirables' (homosexuals, atheists, pagans, non-Catholics incapable of working) along with about 2/3rds of the population (mostly non-Catholics, if there were that many; if there aren't that many then its done on a basis of people most likely to resist; if a city is predominantly non-Catholic then they'd just spare all the Catholics and leave the 3rd or so of the population least likely to resist and take the other 2/3rds) of every city. Undesirables were summarily executed (sent off to thermal depolymerization plants) while all the other random people were sold into slavery (just about all of them have been dispersed to other provinces throughout the Empire following reconstruction, in which their labor was used, so don't worry about a rescue operation in that area).

The whole genocide thing was done in total secrecy, of course.

The people I spared execution and slavery were all herded into cities, but separated from people they would know and mixed with random people; these groups were further segregated into tiny walled ghettoes (200-300 people per section), which area thoroughly policed by Imperial troops, closed circuit cameras (both visible and hidden), hidden microphones, and other stuff. Not only that, but because of the way I mixed groups, I infiltrated my own agents into the population to act as informants. All radio signals going into these sections are jammed, so they have no idea what's going on outside. Then, of course, the populations are subjected to massive amounts of brainwashing daily.

I did, however, keep immediate families together.

Yeah, its basicly like a prison. The insurgent groups are all people who managed to hide from my forces when they were rounding everyone up.

Of course, none of you would actualy know this ICly, but just posting this for the record.

OOC: If you don't mind, I'll be joining Questers/Praetonia/Doom/MP's side in this one (got approval from Questers). I'll work out how I'm going to enter it with them on mIRC or something.

...No, you don't use puppets. It's not 2003, Xeraph. or should I call you Whittier?

By the way, I wouldn't be so confident about GAPTS if I where you.


OK, I bow to concensus. Xeraph only. No, I'm not, nor have ever been Whittier. And what is your problem w/GAPTS?

...No, you don't use puppets. It's not 2003, Xeraph. or should I call you Whittier?

By the way, I wouldn't be so confident about GAPTS if I where you.

http://test256.free.fr/UN%20Cards/wrath.jpg

I couldn't resist....

OK, I bow to concensus. Xeraph only. No, I'm not, nor have ever been Whittier. And what is your problem w/GAPTS?

How exactly can you afford to field a 75-million man army with such a crappy economy?

How exactly can you afford to field a 75-million man army with such a crappy economy?

Perhaps the crappy economy is the result of fielding a 75 million man army?

(In which case the 75 million men would be armed mainly with Soviet-era rifles, armoured in pure oxygen mixed with small amounts of nitrogen and other gases, and be accompanied by very large toy tanks with BB cannons.)

How exactly can you afford to field a 75-million man army with such a crappy economy?


The only viable excuse I have is that due to the nature of my RL job (I'm gone a LOT) I have never paid much attention to the finer details of finance, etc. And I'm not fielding 75 million, I'm fielding 4.5 million, to include all branches. And quite frankly, after nearly three years of playing this game, the subject hasn't ever been brought up.

Well, since my method of occupation is a tad bit unorthodox, I should probably explain it so everyone has a clear idea of what's going on in my sector.

When I originally occupied South Vizion, I rounded up 'undesirables' (homosexuals, atheists, pagans, non-Catholics incapable of working) along with about 2/3rds of the population (mostly non-Catholics, if there were that many; if there aren't that many then its done on a basis of people most likely to resist; if a city is predominantly non-Catholic then they'd just spare all the Catholics and leave the 3rd or so of the population least likely to resist and take the other 2/3rds) of every city. Undesirables were summarily executed (sent off to thermal depolymerization plants) while all the other random people were sold into slavery (just about all of them have been dispersed to other provinces throughout the Empire following reconstruction, in which their labor was used, so don't worry about a rescue operation in that area).

The whole genocide thing was done in total secrecy, of course.

The people I spared execution and slavery were all herded into cities, but separated from people they would know and mixed with random people; these groups were further segregated into tiny walled ghettoes (200-300 people per section), which area thoroughly policed by Imperial troops, closed circuit cameras (both visible and hidden), hidden microphones, and other stuff. Not only that, but because of the way I mixed groups, I infiltrated my own agents into the population to act as informants. All radio signals going into these sections are jammed, so they have no idea what's going on outside. Then, of course, the populations are subjected to massive amounts of brainwashing daily.

I did, however, keep immediate families together.

Yeah, its basicly like a prison. The insurgent groups are all people who managed to hide from my forces when they were rounding everyone up.

Of course, none of you would actualy know this ICly, but just posting this for the record.

Doom, been a while since we interacted. (I covertly wired a load of money to the rebels, the least I could do since I'm under a Kraven invasion and can't send troops.)

You take away 2/3 of every city, and nobody knows it ICly? I think if the population disappears by such a radical amount, there will at least be suspicion, sort of like the Amestrian occupation where their war crimes were secret. http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Occupation_of_Torontia if you aren't familiar with it. Created a lot of good RP between me and Amestria, I can tell you.

What are these thermal depolymerization plants like? Certainly rumors of their purpose would spread, and given the reputation of Doomingsland as a human rights abuser (judging from its UN rankings) people would level serious accusations against the Holy Empire with little or no evidence. Also, how would the Imperial soldiers know who people knew and who they didn't? In other words, how to keep someone from finding a neighbor they knew and getting some ideas?

Although it's not part of the RP, how has Doomani policy changed (foreign policy, internal policy, occupational policy) with the death of Helldawg and ascension of Caesar Maximus? What is their view of Kahanistan? These were questions that were asked ICly in the thread where Helldawg died and that thread just died without the answers. Some general information on Kahanistan might help you answer.

(Kahanistan has millions of Catholics in it, and they are allowed to practice their faith freely. While some people in Kahanistan don't like Catholics because they associate the religion with the Holy Empire, and some dislike Zoroastrians because it is associated with Parthia, members of the Catholic and Zoroastrian minorities, as any other religion, are legally protected by freedom of religion in the Constitution of Kahanistan, which is linked to in my sig. For example, Mohammed bin Yusuf al-Za'if, who was President of Kahanistan when we fought, is Catholic, though he refers to God as Allah because he is an Arab and Arab Christians refer to God as Allah. Prominent Zoroastrian Kahanistanians include Fleet Admiral Raghad Nazmareh (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Raghad_Nazmareh), who commanded the defensive fleet that fought MassPwnage and was seriously wounded in the battle, and Dr. Mohammed Kareem al-Qadala, the controversial Minister of Health. The current President, General Marcellus Valens (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Marcellus_Valens), is a pagan.)

Latin is an official language of Kahanistan, I'll explain further on MSN, but most Kahanistanian people with Latin names, e.g. President Valens, are of European descent. Latin was made official because it was deemed easier to teach to European immigrants of various linguistic backgrounds than the Semitic languages of Kahanistan, Arabic and Hebrew, and many of these immigrants and their descendants took Latin names. Among some of the Latin revivalists, the Roman religion was revived, but is very much a minority. Religion plays a minimal role in Kahanistanian politics.

Most Kahanistanian Catholics have no more a favorable view of Doomingsland than the average Kahanistanian, who hates Doom even more than MassPwnage despite the fact that MP did most of the damage to Kahanistan. There are ideological differences between the Soviet Republic and Holy Empire that do not exist between Kahanistan and MassPwnage, both of which are liberal states, though Kahanistan is less anarchic.

BTW, Kahanistan is not Communist, it is social democratic (think Norway or Sweden) with emphasis on worker's rights and high personal freedom. I could understand you thinking IC and OOC that it was Communist from the word "Soviet" in the long form name ("Democratic Soviet Republic of Kahanistan") and the large hammer and sickle on the flag.

Point of clarification: are the rebels currently attacking ViZion's African territories backed by Questers, Doom, Pac?

[SIZE="1"]Doom, been a while since we interacted. (I covertly wired a load of money to the rebels, the least I could do since I'm under a Kraven invasion and can't send troops.)

You take away 2/3 of every city, and nobody knows it ICly? I think if the population disappears by such a radical amount, there will at least be suspicion, sort of like the Amestrian occupation where their war crimes were secret. http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Occupation_of_Torontia if you aren't familiar with it. Created a lot of good RP between me and Amestria, I can tell you.

What are these thermal depolymerization plants like? Certainly rumors of their purpose would spread, and given the reputation of Doomingsland as a human rights abuser (judging from its UN rankings) people would level serious accusations against the Holy Empire with little or no evidence. Also, how would the Imperial soldiers know who people knew and who they didn't? In other words, how to keep someone from finding a neighbor they knew and getting some ideas?

Although it's not part of the RP, how has Doomani policy changed (foreign policy, internal policy, occupational policy) with the death of Helldawg and ascension of Caesar Maximus? What is their view of Kahanistan?

Well, no foreigner has exactly been allowed in my zone of occupation for five years, so it'd be kinda hard for anyone to know, not to mention I transported the people in increments in between hostile satellite sweeps (of course some satellites are going to see some of the transporting, but not enough to know exactly what's going on). As for the thermal depolymerization plants, no one would even know of their existance. They're all mostly underground as it is. But yes, thermal depolymerization is basicly the process of turning organic matter back into petroleum through heat and pressure...I know there's a Wiki article on it somewhere...

As for the new emperor, he's probably even more of a fanatic than his father, although his foreign policy is probably friendlier than his father's: Notice the people I'm allied to, now. He still hates Kahanistan as a whole and doesn't care that there's Catholics there. As far as Doomingslanders are concerned they're all heretics: the fact you have Satanists and Pagans in government positions totally alienates you from my government and people as a whole. They'd celebrate the day your capital burned to the ground.

Point of clarification: are the rebels currently attacking ViZion's African territories backed by Questers, Doom, Pac?

That's a good question, actualy...I'm not even sure about that, I guess they would be (Vizion sorta started this whole rebellion thing outa the blue)

Posts are coming today. Yes, they're attacking my African claims.

Ok, me and ViZion did out the math, and I executed approximately 200 million people (give or take a dozen million or so) in the genocide and enslaved roughly 1.1 billion more people. That's a new record for me, I think (I could very well be wrong, but I don't feel like going back and checking other numbers...)

The RP is looking pretty good so far. Unfortunately I cannot RP in it as I've given up on mainstream NS RP'ing in MT era considering that I can't be assed to deal with NS-ified numbers, budgets, weapons, technology, etc. The only MT RP's I would participate in would be ones with no NS equipment or uber-numbers.

Currently, my NS nation is essentially post-MT (roughly 2030 - 2050 era) as it gives me quite some flexibility and leeway to devise interesting and exciting ideas and technologies, like hovercraft or colonies on Mars.

I'd help you out, Vizion, but I doubt I'll be able to RP in this RP because of reasons stated above. Stuff like Superdreads and 20 million combat soldier army crap turn me off from RP's.

All of those rusting ships I listed were once in the Real Soviet Black Sea fleet. I did research on it. Most were considered scrapped so I took some creative liberties. The plan is to confuse the hell out of everyone with a WTF are those things doing there? Perhaps I'll disguise one as a 'Ghost' ship. Never know.

TLA, why are you making the assumption I would let a ship anywhere within 30 miles of my blockade? Furthermore, as soon as we saw the ship turn away, it would be fired upon and active countermeasures engaged to discover and destroy whatever it launched. Why are you making such tactically inept decisions?

Any ship that is approaching Gibraltar and does not change its course will be turned back and fired upon. That's the point of a blockade.

Can I please get a general idea of where everyones fleets are at the moment?

Can I please get a general idea of where everyones fleets are at the moment?

I have 4 CBGs off the coasts of ViZ and Tunisia in support of Jarridian forces.

I will shortly have fleets off the coasts of Angola and Tanzania, with bases on Madagascar.

This in addition to the standard CBGs in the MedSea Region, approximately another 17 CBGs.

TLA, why are you making the assumption I would let a ship anywhere within 30 miles of my blockade? Furthermore, as soon as we saw the ship turn away, it would be fired upon and active countermeasures engaged to discover and destroy whatever it launched. Why are you making such tactically inept decisions?

They are subs not ships. Small subs. Very very small subs. Unmanned small subs. You haven't dispatched Sonar buoys either.

Yallak, My fleet is in a scattered position around 70 miles west from Gibraltar.

Yeah...Dismiscus, how exactly do you manage to field 25 million men (not to mention planes, tanks, and ships, but the men alone) when your gross domestic product is smaller than defense budget of the RL USA...and you only have twelve million people in your whole country? I think that sorta defies the laws of physics or something...

Oh, and for the record...IT'S DOOMANI, NOT DOOMINI!!!

Tag in support of occupiers. If they OK me.

I have 4 CBGs off the coasts of ViZ and Tunisia in support of Jarridian forces.

I will shortly have fleets off the coasts of Angola and Tanzania, with bases on Madagascar.

This in addition to the standard CBGs in the MedSea Region, approximately another 17 CBGs.

I will be making a post shortly that will concern your fleets, so exactly how far away are they. (Mine will be arriving off the coast in like 8-12 hours, or about 400-600km west southwest.)

Oh, and for the record...IT'S DOOMANI, NOT DOOMINI!!!
Ooo, Ooo, Doomini! Doomini! lol :-p

They are subs not ships. Small subs. Very very small subs. Unmanned small subs. You haven't dispatched Sonar buoys either.

Yallak, My fleet is in a scattered position around 70 miles west from Gibraltar.

OK. And why on Earth would I let you get that close without engaging you? Did you just forget about RORSATS, OTH RADAR, and AWACS?]

Secondly Dimiscus, if you didn't read, I launched a rather viciious assault on your fleet.

It's 70 miles and as of yet I have made NO open declaration of war against you. Sure Violate International Law and attack someone in international Waters for no good reason. The only evidence that The Lone Alliance is in battle was an UNconfirmed news report.

If you remember there was a report that the US was going to send Marines to fight in Lebanon, it turned out not to happen except for them landing to evac civilians.

Hey Doom: Obviously such a massive missile launch from Sicily will be picked up by the constant satellite surveillance the Empire has in the area. What would we see of the missile bases though? What kind of defences do they have? Etc.

Also does anyone in this RP have/own Spain, or have any defences there?

Oh, and for the record...IT'S DOOMANI, NOT DOOMINI!!!
Ah, I feel your pain, Doomingsland.....

I will be making a post shortly that will concern your fleets, so exactly how far away are they. (Mine will be arriving off the coast in like 8-12 hours, or about 400-600km west southwest.)


Let's say for the sake of conversation that I'll be off the coasts of Tanzania and Angola in 6-8 hours, just ahead of you. I'm already off the coasts of ViZ and Tunisia.

BTW, as an FYI, my CBGs consist of: 4 Carriers w/55-70 aircraft eact
3 Destroyers
3 Battleships
4 Missile Ships/Missile Destroyers
3 Subs
5 FA Boats
2 Attack Cruisers

ViZion, do I just assume you received those suits you put an order in for, or should I RP the delivery? There should be a rather steady stream of red and black C-130s and escorts heading into one of your airstrips either way.

Hey Doom: Obviously such a massive missile launch from Sicily will be picked up by the constant satellite surveillance the Empire has in the area. What would we see of the missile bases though? What kind of defences do they have? Etc.

Also does anyone in this RP have/own Spain, or have any defences there?

I really would suggest you don't invade a Crown Colony... I think Tyrandis does anyway.

Hey Doom: Obviously such a massive missile launch from Sicily will be picked up by the constant satellite surveillance the Empire has in the area. What would we see of the missile bases though? What kind of defences do they have? Etc.

Also does anyone in this RP have/own Spain, or have any defences there?

You'd see the missile bases that actualy launched...those are scattered all over. Other than that, all of my strategic and tactical surface-to-air missiles and another few thousand other missiles are still unaccounted for. You wouldn't see those bases until it was too late.

Then of course I have my ungodly amount of tripple-A, all either extremely well camoflaged (with infrared deflecting shrouds and camo netting).

Those are just the air defenses on Sicily. My portion of Italy has a very good amount of SAMs easily capable of hitting aircraft inbound to Sicily.

As for RADARs, I've got a few OTH RADAR arrays (on Italy and Sicily) that should technically be picking up your bomber formation right now while they're in the Black Sea (the Australian Jindalee OTH can see like 3,000 km, and that's not even the best one fielded...). I've got a few constantly active for monitoring stuff going on around and I have a few more back-ups in case they fall victim to ARMs (and a few more in bunkers ready to be wheeled out in case those get toasted, as well...). Along with those I have at least a dozen AWACS birds up at all times patroling around Italy and Sicily in peace time alone, so it's more then that now, and there's more ready to be scrambled in the event the others are shot down.

Then of course I have a crapload of other RADARs on the ground, some active, some turned off in the event of a sudden ARM strike, and I also have some high powered land-based IRST set-ups.

But yeah, I'll go ahead and go attack your fleet now or something (since mine's somewhere south of Greece as it is). You have MSN/AIM?

Let's say for the sake of conversation that I'll be off the coasts of Tanzania and Angola in 6-8 hours, just ahead of you. I'm already off the coasts of ViZ and Tunisia.

That won't be a problem, I revised my fleet times in my post, they're steaming 1500km from the coast at a steady pace of 50km/hour, or 27knots. They should arrive in about 30 hours, well, take away some for the time since my post, probably like 24 hours now.

Let's say for the sake of conversation that I'll be off the coasts of Tanzania and Angola in 6-8 hours, just ahead of you. I'm already off the coasts of ViZ and Tunisia.

BTW, as an FYI, my CBGs consist of: 4 Carriers w/55-70 aircraft eact
3 Destroyers
3 Battleships
4 Missile Ships/Missile Destroyers
3 Subs
5 FA Boats
2 Attack Cruisers

I attacked your fleet (along with everyone else's) off of Tunisia...rather overwhelmingly, I must say.

Yallak, can I question you about a few things?

One of the first is that you have your own metal. Wouldn't it be nice if we all had our own special metal to use in our stuff. The is MT and your building this stuff at the molecular level too. Not only is the metal itself a wank, but even producing enough of it would cost more then you entire GDP.

I also want to touch on the fact that your DD has 12" ETC cannons on a hull smaller than an Alaska-Class Large Cruiser of WWII. Oh and you also mount many 8" ETC cannons on it aswell. Do you want this to sink when it first fires? Your FF is worse with a hull only 150 meters in length and it has 10" ETC.

Oh and you gotta love Turbofans that can do mach 5!


To everyone else: Does anyone have an objection with me having bases in the Maldives? I traditionally have a few there but I'm not sure if anyone has claim to that already.

I don't actually, um, have a tech thread. I kind of forgot to make one. But if anyone has any questions about what I'm using, ask me and I'll try to explain it.

I'll post an OrBat pretty soon.

Also, Yallak, can you explain to us OOCly what your special alloy is made of, even if it's classified IC? If you can't, we're calling you out on this. Likewise, explain your, uh, interesting-looking destroyers, frigates, and engines as USSNA has said. And I'd recommend not being so arrogant in a factbook next time, unless it's intended to be propagandist, as there are militaries more highly trained and powerfully equipped than the Yallakian Army.

For anyone interested in my military tech, go here:

s3.invisionfree.com/SU_Defense_Industry

http://z14.invisionfree.com/TSSTechCentral/index.php?act=idx <<<< Tech Thread, although I'm in the process of updating my naval stuff, especially my dreadnoughts, so don't take the navy at face value.

As for RADARs, I've got a few OTH RADAR arrays (on Italy and Sicily) that should technically be picking up your bomber formation right now while they're in the Black Sea...

You have MSN/AIM?

Just to point out, the bombers are over the Baltic Sea not the Black Sea. And yes i've got MSN: caracas_gottunterwelt@hotmail.com

Yallak, can I question you about a few things?

One of the first is that you have your own metal. Wouldn't it be nice if we all had our own special metal to use in our stuff. The is MT and your building this stuff at the molecular level too. Not only is the metal itself a wank, but even producing enough of it would cost more then you entire GDP.

I have no problem with you asking questions or pointing out mistakes I may have made in doing something, in fact I encourage it so I can fix those mistakes, but please refrain from making credulous patronizing statements with bad grammar.

My alloy is perfectly MT, mainly because of the fact IT ALREADY EXISTS.

Also, Yallak, can you explain to us OOCly what your special alloy is made of, even if it's classified IC? If you can't, we're calling you out on this.

Sure. As I said, it is an already existing, and fairly well-used alloy made of Titanium, Aluminium and Nitrogen (that is the basic form mix, though there are multiple other more advanced versions that contain different added elements). Its main RL function is as coatings on drilling equipment to increase the life of a drill by a very large amount.

It extremely simple to make, given the material is self assembling and is also therefore quite cheap to manufacture, even in bulk (especially given NS budgets).

I also want to touch on the fact that your DD has 12" ETC cannons on a hull smaller than an Alaska-Class Large Cruiser of WWII. Oh and you also mount many 8" ETC cannons on it aswell. Do you want this to sink when it first fires? Your FF is worse with a hull only 150 meters in length and it has 10" ETC.

Those are old designs in the previous version of my factbook, and should be ignored. And in any case, the Alaska-class had 12" guns itself, nine of them, while my old destroyer only had six. Having the 8" ones as well was abit of overkill though.

Oh and you gotta love Turbofans that can do mach 5!

Well, I haven’t had the time of day to go and do proper research on such things, though I’ll be changing that to some form of solid propellant rocket when I’ve the chance.

Actually talking about speed, we should be asking Questers how exactly his torpedoes can do 600 knots?!

And I'd recommend not being so arrogant in a factbook next time, unless it's intended to be propagandist….

Arrogance in one of the most widely perceived Yallakian traits, and is not going away anytime soon.

Sorry I haven't posted lately, sales has been pretty busy, plus having alot to do this week, so it might not be til the weekend before I get to post again... sorry for delay!

I attacked your fleet (along with everyone else's) off of Tunisia...rather overwhelmingly, I must say.


shit...sorry...I didn't notice as I was concentrating on Africa. I'll post something later today.

Actually talking about speed, we should be asking Questers how exactly his torpedoes can do 600 knots?!

Yay for rocket torps / ASROC torps.

My alloy is perfectly MT, mainly because of the fact IT ALREADY EXISTS.

Sure. As I said, it is an already existing, and fairly well-used alloy made of Titanium, Aluminium and Nitrogen (that is the basic form mix, though there are multiple other more advanced versions that contain different added elements). Its main RL function is as coatings on drilling equipment to increase the life of a drill by a very large amount.

It extremely simple to make, given the material is self assembling and is also therefore quite cheap to manufacture, even in bulk (especially given NS budgets).

Yes, but a metal that works as a drill bit is not going to make really good armor, because in order to cut well it needs to be dense and very hard, but, the alloy you're using is not ductile, meaning it is similar to diamond, very hard but shatters and or chips away quite easily. And by definition, something dense is very heavy, thus making it a bad body armor, do you have any idea how much normal steel body armor already weighs?

But still, congratulations, you just made an extremely heavy and unwieldy body armor that would shatter (much like ceramics) when hit and thus be easily penetrated by armor piercing bullets, which penetrate by shearing the material apart, not bending the material until it breaks.

Your material sounds like it would make a good ceramic replacement, but it needs to be confined by something with better ductility (such as tungsten titanium alloy or depleted uranium).



Those are old designs in the previous version of my factbook, and should be ignored. And in any case, the Alaska-class had 12" guns itself, nine of them, while my old destroyer only had six. Having the 8" ones as well was abit of overkill though.
I won't comment on your older ships, but a look at your new ships would be appreciated.

Actually talking about speed, we should be asking Questers how exactly his torpedoes can do 600 knots?!
Look at the Shkval, it's a russian supercavitating torpedo powered by a rocket engine and capable or reaching 200 knots, and even the Iranians, being backwards as they are, were capable of building a similar torpedo. With NS Wank(TM), improved propellants and larger engine I'm sure 600 knots is possible.

Yallak, titanium nitride (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium_nitride), what I think you are referring to, is a ceramic, not an alloy. It is used in RL only in very thin layers. Even on drills and knives (RL applications of TiN) TiN is used only as a very thin coating on top of another metal. The metal itself is not a problem in itself (if RPed correctly, using it everywhere as you are will make your military less, not more, effective) so much as how cheaply and easily you claim to make it, and what you claim it can be used for.

The process you appear to be describing (please correct me if I'm wrong, but you haven't exactly provided much information) is called Chemical vapour deposition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_vapor_deposition). This method deposits a thin layer a few molecules thick on top of another substance, which is fine for coating drill bits but useless for making armour plates. More importantly, titanium is fundamentally not cheap and easy to make. Regardless of how you combine it with other things to create a ceramic, you still have to make the titanium, which largely has to be done in batches using a very complex and expensive method called the Kroll process.

In conclusion, using this everywhere would not only bankrupt your military, but would leave it less effective than before.

I have no problem with you asking questions or pointing out mistakes I may have made in doing something, in fact I encourage it so I can fix those mistakes, but please refrain from making credulous patronizing statements with bad grammar.

Oh well excuse me, I made one spelling mistake. Big whoop. It's not like I was speaking in 1337.

Well, I haven’t had the time of day to go and do proper research on such things, though I’ll be changing that to some form of solid propellant rocket when I’ve the chance.

If you cannot do the research then don't design it. You obviously had time to design it. And if you don't have time for research then you shouldnt design your own and just buy from someone else.

If you cannot do the research then don't design it. You obviously had time to design it. And if you don't have time for research then you shouldnt design your own and just buy from someone else.

Turbofans can already allow Mach 4 missiles, so an improved NS one should be a simple matter to reach Mach 5. Especially if it's fine for a MT 200 knot torpedo to be 'NS wank[ed]' as put by TSS to 600 knots.

Yallak, titanium nitride (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titanium_nitride), what I think you are referring to, is a ceramic, not an alloy. It is used in RL only in very thin layers. Even on drills and knives (RL applications of TiN) TiN is used only as a very thin coating on top of another metal. The metal itself is not a problem in itself (if RPed correctly, using it everywhere as you are will make your military less, not more, effective) so much as how cheaply and easily you claim to make it, and what you claim it can be used for.

The process you appear to be describing (please correct me if I'm wrong, but you haven't exactly provided much information) is called Chemical vapour deposition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_vapor_deposition). This method deposits a thin layer a few molecules thick on top of another substance, which is fine for coating drill bits but useless for making armour plates. More importantly, titanium is fundamentally not cheap and easy to make. Regardless of how you combine it with other things to create a ceramic, you still have to make the titanium, which largely has to be done in batches using a very complex and expensive method called the Kroll process.

In conclusion, using this everywhere would not only bankrupt your military, but would leave it less effective than before.

Yes, but a metal that works as a drill bit is not going to make really good armor, because in order to cut well it needs to be dense and very hard, but, the alloy you're using is not ductile, meaning it is similar to diamond, very hard but shatters and or chips away quite easily. And by definition, something dense is very heavy, thus making it a bad body armor, do you have any idea how much normal steel body armor already weighs?

But still, congratulations, you just made an extremely heavy and unwieldy body armor that would shatter (much like ceramics) when hit and thus be easily penetrated by armor piercing bullets, which penetrate by shearing the material apart, not bending the material until it breaks.

Your material sounds like it would make a good ceramic replacement, but it needs to be confined by something with better ductility (such as tungsten titanium alloy or depleted uranium).

That’s it. I called it an alloy because it sounded better and a majority of it components are metal. Given NS budgets and the other wank I see from MT nations I just went with the idea that I could adapt the process to allow for mass production ability instead of creating layers on a substrate (the process to make it is still relatively cheap).

However, TSS makes a good point, one that didn’t occur to me while I was doing this alloy. The weights not a problem because it would be able to be used with greatly reduced thickness, but damn for the shattering part.

Ignore that then, I will have to find a replacement (which I may already have if it proves cheap enough).

Turbofans can already allow Mach 4 missiles, so an improved NS one should be a simple matter to reach Mach 5. Especially if it's fine for a MT 200 knot torpedo to be 'NS wank[ed]' as put by TSS to 600 knots.

Your thinking of a Turbojet my friend. And if you want it to go Mach 4, then you would actually be better off with a solid booster and then a ramjet engine.

Your thinking of a Turbojet my friend. And if you want it to go Mach 4, then you would actually be better off with a solid booster and then a ramjet engine.

I was just about to delete that post when i realised what I wrote but the forums went down.

Would a ramjet be better than a long burning solid fuel rocket engine?

Depends. If you are looking for a rocket with a range <150 or 200 kilometers then solid booster rockets are your best bet. But for the more expensive, long-range missiles, a Ramjet is better. Only downside is you either have to be going supersonic or you have to boost the rocket to supersonic speeds are ramjets need to be going fast in order to start.

Depends. If you are looking for a rocket with a range <150 or 200 kilometers then solid booster rockets are your best bet. But for the more expensive, long-range missiles, a Ramjet is better. Only downside is you either have to be going supersonic or you have to boost the rocket to supersonic speeds are ramjets need to be going fast in order to start.

Thanks.

Yes, but a metal that works as a drill bit is not going to make really good armor, because in order to cut well it needs to be dense and very hard, but, the alloy you're using is not ductile, meaning it is similar to diamond, very hard but shatters and or chips away quite easily.

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Your material sounds like it would make a good ceramic replacement, but it needs to be confined by something with better ductility (such as tungsten titanium alloy or depleted uranium).

Ok, I did some more research just to make sure I wasn’t entirely insane…

“Ductility is the physical property of being capable of sustaining large plastic deformations without fracture …..”

“Brittle materials, like ceramics, do not experience any plastic deformation and will fracture under relatively low applied tensile stress. Materials such as metals usually experience a low amount of plastic deformation before failure”

“The tensile strength of a material is the maximum amount of tensile stress that it can be subjected to before failure.”

*(All from Wikipedia as that seems to be the source to use (that and the good engineering site I found wouldn’t’ let me copy it!)*

Given this, that would mean that a ductile material will have a good tensile strength and therefore be able to resist facture or plastic deformation under stress.

Now, TiN, TiAlN and all its other derivatives are actually metal-ceramic composites, and the values I’ve obtain show that it has a tensile strength of practically twice that of the best strength steels (~2 for steel to ~3.7 for TiAlN).

From the above that would mean TiAlN is less brittle than steel, would it not? (Not rhetorical… if I’m somehow being delusional here I’d love to know how. Obviously making the alloy/ceramic in bulk (which can be done by powder metallurgy) would result in a decrease in these properties, but they still would be greater than those of steel.

And by definition, something dense is very heavy, thus making it a bad body armor, do you have any idea how much normal steel body armor already weighs?

The alloy/ceramic actually has a lower density than steel: ~6 g/cm cubed while steel is ~ 7.8). Surprised me, I assumed the opposite too.

Yes, but a massively higher density than kevlar.

But all of this is purely academic - you would not be able to afford to make everything out of this metal anyway. Steel is used most often in RL because it can be smelted cheaply and in bulk. This is not true of titanium and even less true of titanium alloys and cermets.

Oh and I'm talking about this:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=432994

Thomish was the noob that forced the thread to be moved.

I am retconning any history of my action here, assume I handed my section of ViZion over to Praetonia straight after the last war. Officially I have had nothing to do with this RP in any way, shape, or form.

By the way The Lone Alliance, I find it very amusing you call Thomish, whoever he is, a noob. Your roleplaying posts, in this thread and others have been about 6 lines long, lacked any form of flair, character development, or in fact anything interesting to read, as well as being tactically and strategically worthless to the point of being annoying. Furthermore they are terribly formatted and I must say I find you one of the worst roleplayers to inhabit this forum.

Good day to you, sirs, and have "fun" with what is left of this RP.

Touchy... Touchy... You must not read much then. Did I strike a nerve or something?

Seriously read the thread, Thomish was just horrible. I haven't bothered making any "Real" posts because nothing has happened yet. Besides the less I describe something the less it can be used against me.

And BTW Questors, considering how fast you just abandoned this, I think you were actually afraid of losing.

Teh Loen Alliernce (I am under no obligation to spell your name right if you can't mine) I have lost multiple wars in the past, been defeated by various RPers such as MassPwnage and Doomingsland, been horribly crushed in a giant war with Juumanistra but what I am opposed to is losing to someone who a.) can't spell my name right b.) cannot roleplay for all the rope around Saddam's neck.

Roleplaying is about telling a story, not winning, and I have no intention of telling this story, because I don't find 'Ship X deploys weapon Z. End post.' fun, I have too much other stuff to do, and I will duly avoid contact with a number of the roleplayers in this thread again.

TLA, Questers, guys calm down. TLA, no offense intended, but Questers is right: your posts do need more depth.

Questers, try getting the same point over in a more diplomatic manner, there's no need for friction here. Chill out, people.

TLA, Questers, guys calm down. TLA, no offense intended, but Questers is right: your posts do need more depth.

Questers, try getting the same point over in a more diplomatic manner, there's no need for friction here. Chill out, people.
I don't have anything worth posting to make huge posts about yet. And I don't intend make large posts full of filler. As of right now all my posts are on waiting around, nothing worth writing about. I'm basicly just trying to bump the thread without using the actual BUMP.

Sorry guys, sales has just been so crazy and stressful this month, it'll probably be the begining of next month before I have time to commit some serious RPing time again. Sorry for the hold up.

I don't have anything worth posting to make huge posts about yet. And I don't intend make large posts full of filler. As of right now all my posts are on waiting around, nothing worth writing about. I'm basicly just trying to bump the thread without using the actual BUMP.
But still, Questers has a point: they do need more effort. And fillers can be used and done well if written appropriately....and ViZion, hope you can return to gaming ASAP.

OOC: Talked to Doom, he talked me into trying to finish this RP up. It's just gonna go plenty slow due to my RL time issues. Most time I got is spent at work right now, and the spare time is usually spent w/ friends when possible. So it'll go slow, but assuming that's fine, we can finish it up.

Can someone update me on what I did miss so that I can respond and we can revive this RP? Thanks :)

You really didn't miss anything, to my knowledge, I think I just shot a crapload of torpedoes at your fleet to finish off what's left (off Tunisia), though. I'll probably be landing within 2 posts...

I was about to land troops in Angola, Tanzania, and Zambia. I'm not really sure who had the upper hand there.

I've posted and no one else has responded. Though I'd like to change a little something... the end result (however long it is) I'd like Hiro to end up in the Presidental seat... thx and I await your guys' responses...

I posted in there. This looks interesting.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11915979&postcount=98

There you go, ViZion, my latest attack on your fleet off Tunisia (I think I killed a big chunk of it already in my previous attack). Looks like I still have to reply to the insurgents so I'll get on that ASAP, but there you are.

From other thread
[OOC: Then maybe you shouldn't revive the RP. You are right that your RL takes priority over NS, and I don't particularly want this RP to drag on and on for months with replies only every week or two, so unless you think you enough time to commit to both your RL and the RP as you would like it would probably be best to leave it until you do have enough time.]

I was asked to, which is why I have revived this thread. And while I wont be able to post all the time as before, I can still post more than once weekly.

I'm gonna be reviving this RP soon. Any questions on the RP for those who want to get involved but weren't in it before... ask here. I will have more time in the coming week or so to be able to get this RP back into full swing... for those previously involved, sorry it's been on and off and on again.

I'm gonna play it safe and say it'll be a week before we get it back into full swing. Hopefully it'll be sooner.

A heads-up; my government is about to write your nation off, pull out our remaining diplomatic missions, expel your ambassador and tell any refugees to either apply for citizenship or leave.

I'm still here.

I'm still here.

There's your problem!

j/k >.>

Heh, ya, no worries, we're getting it started up (and finishing it this time 'round) pretty quickly here

To Doom and all others currently involved/want to get involved:

Either tomorrow (tues) or the next day (wed) this RP will resume.

Wish you coulda given me a heads up on this, I'm rather preoccupied with other RPs at the moment. You gonna be on MSN or AIM later today? I need to clarify some things about the occupation...I've pretty much executed or enslaved everyone and repopulated it with my people...

Doom... Hiro55cool is my AIM

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=528378 Continues here - not in the original thread everyone!

Can someone please enlighten me as to where Mediport is located? If it's in Italy, I would love to know how you shipped 5 million men there without passing through airspace claimed by us...and how you're supplying them without constant flights there...through our airspace...