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Galveston Bay
31-10-2006, 18:02
The Great War

OOC
This is a closed RP for those involved in the E20 alternate history RP.

IC
In June 1912, the war between alliance of Russia and Imperial China, and the Coalition of Austria, Germany, Bulgaria, the Ottoman Empire, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland and Finland has expands. France, Italy, Spain, Serbia, Rumania, and Greece have entered the war (or will be forced to enter the war) on the side of the Alliance, while Japan and Siam enter the war on the side of the Coalition.

The Great Eastern War becomes a World War.

OOC
the peace talks
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11958787

Eastern War thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=502984

Major events
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread....1#post11642926

Economics thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.ph...23&postcount=1

military thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498004

Main thread
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=497568

Divided China
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread....1#post11718108

a handly list of national threads
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.ph...&postcount=231

useful map links
http://files.photojerk.com/dumelow/europe.PNG

http://files.photojerk.com/dumelow/scandinavia.PNG

http://files.photojerk.com/dumelow/asia.PNG

http://files.photojerk.com/dumelow/africa.png

world sea zones
http://files.photojerk.com/dumelow/Newworldmap.png

frequent discussion occurs here
http://www.chatzy.com/921930878279

1913 schedule as follows:
November 9 - 10 is Nov / Dec 1912
November 11 - 13 is for builds
see economic or main thread for the rest
Galveston Bay
31-10-2006, 18:03
death toll and economic and other damage (ongoing as time allows)

resource changes
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11942871&postcount=527

casualties so far
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11928562&postcount=155

ooc
also take into account any shipping losses and factories destroyed or damaged

General rules regarding casualties in this era
for Germany, Poles, Balts, France, Italy (and if they enter, the US, British Empire, Belgium, Netherlands, Scandinavian countries)

10% killed in action, 10% die of wounds, 10% missing (unidentified dead usually), 30% permanently crippled, 10% POW, 30% wounded or injured and able to return to duty within 6 months.

Half of the permanently crippled can be returned to duty if you go to 15% mobilization, although they can only be used for garrison, fortress or militia type service or police service

other European countries and Japan, Siam
10% killed in action, 15% die of wounds, 10% missing, 30% permanently crippled, 10% POW, 25% wounded and able to return to duty

all other nations
10% killed in action, 25% die of wounds, 10% missing, 25% permanently crippled, 10% POW, 20% wounded and able to return to duty

ooc
levels of care are reflected, as well as availablity of long term care, medical expertise and infrastructure, general cultural attitude regarding wounded, and other factors. Casualty results will vary from war to war, and also on tech level. Reflects this war only at this time.

In addition to your military casualties, you also have to deal with this
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11953546&postcount=114
Galveston Bay
31-10-2006, 18:04
Military forces 1913

Overall rules
Wartime military sizes
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11621353&postcount=1

Ground forces
Cost of ground units (Peacetime) and capabilities
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11621357&postcount=2
cost of ground units (wartime)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11801199&postcount=3


Naval forces
Naval capabilities
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11801195&postcount=2
naval costs and units
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11621363&postcount=3

Air forces
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11621365&postcount=4

New units 1913
flak division cost 2. maintenance .5 (2 wartime), build time 4 months
provides anti aircraft defense for critical areas
wartime flak division 2 points, maintenance 2, 4 months (movement by rail only)

air units
effective 1913, Germany, France, Italy, Russia, the US, and the UK (only) can build fighter plane units. Cost is 3, maintenance 1, range 2 hexes, build time 4 months (100 aircraft). Air combat rating is 2, no bombing or naval rating.

in addition, the nations above can also build light bomber units
cost is 3, maintenance 1, range 2 hexes, build time 4 months (100 aircraft),
air combat (1), bombing 1 or naval 1 (designate either as bomber or naval bomber),

Seaplane naval bomber, cost is 4, maintenance 2, range 4 hexes, build time 4 months (100 aircraft), air combat (1), bombing 1, naval bombing 1, US only for 1913

Nations may purchase air units from nations that build them if they lack an aviation industry of their own.

To acquire an aviation industry costs 100 points (which can be spread out), and referee approval. You must be tech level 5, and not be at war.
Galveston Bay
31-10-2006, 18:06
Nations at war
The Alliance
France and its Empire
Italy and its Empire
Spain and its possessions
Serbia (conquered)
Rumania (government in exile)
Greece (government in exile)
Russia
Imperial China

The Coalition
Germany and its Empire
Austrian Hungarian Empire
Ottoman Empire
Finland (government in exile)
Bulgaria
Estonia
Lithuenia
Latvia
Poland (former Russian Poland)
Japanese Empire
Siam
Albania
Ukraine
Sukiaida
31-10-2006, 18:12
RECUERDEN ALFONSO!!!!

Our brave Allies have gone to war with Germany, and many Spanish may ask why Spain should honor it's Alliance with Italy and France. Many ask, what will we be fighting for.

The answer is simple. It has been kept quiet enough, this newspaper has been kept quiet enough. THe government realizes it can no longer keep it secret.

In 1906, the Kaiser ordered the creation of the bomb that killed our beloved king. THe boy king was murdered by the same treachery that cost Anastatsia of Russia her family. We have lost our family because of the Germans. Germany wishes to put the Kaiser on the throne of all of Europe. From Spain to Russia. THey want nothing but the subjugation of Europe. And the Kaiser will murder all others in cold blood.

VENGEANCE
Germany must have blood soaking it's fields. Our innoccent boy king and his wife must be avanged. May every Spanish man rise to the challenge. May we hook arms and arms with our Italian and French brothers. May the Catholic cry of Sic Semper Tyrannus be sent into the fields against the evil murdering Kaiser.

Socialists, Conservatives, Monarchists, now is our time to unite. No longer should our local disagreements hold us. May we cry with one voice that we are Spain, and destroy the evil German horde.

WHen going through the RUssian territory the Germans bayonetted Slavic Babies. Will we let this happen tot he rest of Europe? Too long has RUssia fought alone. Too long has Germany lorded it'self on the European people.

May God in heaven give us victory. And "Remember Alfonso."
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A state of war is declared on Germany, Austria-Hungary, and the Ottoman Empire. (Japan is left out as in truth, Spain has no real concerns with Asia.)
Sukiaida
31-10-2006, 19:43
OOC: By the way, the Canary Islands are alot farther from the coast than that map shows. It's no where near that close to Spanish (Or former in this case.) Sahara.
[NS]Parthini
31-10-2006, 19:50
OOC: By the way, the Canary Islands are alot farther from the coast than that map shows. It's no where near that close to Spanish (Or former in this case.) Sahara.

Actually, they're only 108 Km from the coast.
Galveston Bay
31-10-2006, 20:59
The Battle of Alsace Lorraine June 1912

With the declaration of war, the French Army mobilizes and puts into effect Plan 18, the invasion and liberation of Alsace Lorraine.

The Battle of Alsace
The French open the campaign on June 6 by launching a massive attack against southern Alsace aimed at reaching the Rhine and threatening the German flank. Assaulting with 9 infantry and heavy infantry corps, and supported by siege artillery, observation aircraft and General Joffre himself, the attack drives the Germans across the Rhine in a week of heavy fighting but at a heavy cost.

German losses: 52,000 casualties, 1 fortress corps destroyed
French losses: 77,000 casualties, 2 infantry corps destroyed

Having won a victory, the French then shift their attack to clear the Germans from northern Alsace. Here they attack with 2 heavy infantry corps, 5 infantry corps, 2 siege artillery brigades, General Joffre and aircraft. In costly fighting, the French destroy the German forces defending the area, and threaten Strasbourg.

German losses: 80,000 casualties, 2 fortress corps destroyed
French losses: 80,000 casualties, 2 infantry corps destroyed

Battle of Metz
The French then commit their reserves and make an all out effort to take Metz, the key to the German defense west of the Rhine. Happy with their victories so far (although a bit concerned about the cost), the French hope to take Metz and open the way into the Rhineland. They attack with 2 heavy infantry corps, 4 infantry corps, 4 siege artillery units, aircraft and General Joffre. The Germans commit their artillery ammunition stockpile in a determined effort to hold the city. The French manage to take the city, but a strong counterattack by 3 corps of German heavy infantry takes it back, and by the end of June the French offensive has ended for now.

French losses 128,000, 3 infantry corps destroyed
German losses 93,000, 2 fortress infantry corps destroyed

No resources or production from Alsace Lorraine for remainder of 1912

Meanwhile, addition French reserve corps are assigned to the theater for continued operations next month and to act as a possible threat to Germany via Belgium (and coincidently defend that border just in case)

Situation Western Front June 30, 1912
German forces and deployment
Army Group West
Metz – 1 fortress infantry corps, 3 heavy infantry corps, General Faklenhayn
Hex northwest of Zurich – 1 fortress infantry corps
Hex southwest of Stuttgart – 1 heavy infantry corps
Strasbourg – 1 fortress infantry corps, 1 observation plane unit
Saarbrucken – 1 fortress infantry corps

French forces Western Front
Resource Hex west of Metz (Verdun) -2 Siege Artillery Brigades, 2 Heavy Infantry Corps, 1 fortress infantry corps,
Hex west of Verdun - 1 HQ,
Hex southwest of Metz-1 Infantry Corps, 1 Fortress Corps, 2 siege artillery brigades, General Joffre
Wooded hex southwest of Strasbourg – 4 infantry corps
Wooded hex northeast of Bern – 2 heavy infantry corps
Two hexes northwest of Berne-1 HQ,
Three hexes northeast of Vichy-1 Fortress Division
Two hexes southwest of Brussels-2 Cavalry Corps
Wooded hex 2 hexes northeast of Vichy – 4 infantry corps
Lille – 4 static infantry corps
Resource hex southeast of Lille – 4 static infantry corps

Belgian defenses (should it come up)
Leige - 1 fortress, 1 infantry corps
Antwerp - 1 fortress, 1 static infantry corps, 1 motor torpedo boat flotilla
Brussels - 1 static infantry corps
resource hex southeast of Brussels - 1 cavalry division
Belgian Congo - 1 garrison unit, 1 light infantry division, 1 river gunboat flotilla

Dutch Forces (should that come up either)
Amsterdam - 1 static infantry corps (when mobilized)
Rotterdam - 1 garrison unit, naval yard

Dutch Home Fleet - CL Aruba, Borneo, 1 tech 5 destroyer flotilla, 1 coast defense submarine flotilla
Batavia (NEI) - 1 coast defense unit, 1 garrison unit, naval base, CL Java, Sumatra, 1 tech 5 destroyer flotilla
Surubaya (NEI) - 1 garrison unit
Palambang (NEI) - 1 garrison unit,
Aruba (Caribbean) - 1 naval base, 1 light infantry brigade

nearly completed are BC Tromp, De Ruyter, Witte de With, William of Orange
Galveston Bay
31-10-2006, 21:01
In Britian, Parliament pressures the government to drop the treaty defending Greece as has become part of the war (by allowing French forces to operate from there) without being attacked.

However, Parliament does pressure the government to offer guarantees to the Dutch preserving the Dutch East Indies, Aruba and the Netherlands itself from attack.

OOC
Royal Dutch (Shell Oil today) is jointly owned by the Dutch and British governments, and so is all that oil in the Dutch East Indies
Galveston Bay
31-10-2006, 22:16
Morocco June 1912
With announcement of the start of the war, the German fleet immediately sorties from Tangiers (as it was already on alert). The French 11th Fleet, which sortied first and is loitering nearby launches an immediate pursuit and a running battle develops.

Battle of Cape Lagos
On June 7, the French fleet manages to overall the Germans some 200 miles of the Portuguese coast and opens fire. In a running gun battle, interspersed with a torpedo attack by French destroyers, the German fleet under Admiral Hipper manages to avoid any significant damage while sinking 4 French destroyers that get too close. .

However, the Germans are forced to burn off a lot of fuel and expend most of their ammunition and over the next 2 weeks are forced to return to base in Germany (avoiding French protected cruisers already arriving on station to begin a blockade in the process).

The French pursuit, although unsatisfying, does manage to drive the German fleet out of the Atlantic for now however, and prevent them from doing any damage to shipping.

Along the way, the French 11th Fleet, and the French 7th Fleet captures a significant number of German merchants ships on their way home or fleeing to American and British ports for safety.

French losses: 1 destroyer unit damaged (will require 1 point to repair, takes 6 months)
German losses: CLs Konigsburg, Graudenz are both damaged (.25 points each, 2 months to repair), 1 merchant shipping unit captured (goes to France)

Meanwhile, as the chase continues at sea, a fight occurs at Tangiers. Spanish forces quickly mop small German garrisons elsewhere in Morocco but face a fight at Tangiers, where a garrison division guards the important naval base there. The Spanish take the city in a short fight however, inflicting 20,000 German casualties at little cost to themselves.

German losses: 1 garrison unit, 20,000 casualties (including 23,500 POWs)
Spanish losses: 2,000, no unit losses

Among those captured is the Sultan of Morocco, who goes into Spanish captivity.

French plans to reinforce their troops in West Africa are postponed due to shipping shortages (ooc not enough transports to send troops everywhere you want at the same time)
Sukiaida
31-10-2006, 22:30
Spain commends it's fighting men for the attack against Tangier's. The small SPanish victory shows that Spanish troops can defeat Germans if SPain fights smart.

Neutral countries are requested to take the Sultan of Morroco off Spanish hands. Spain does not believe he has done anything execution worthy, and would desire he be place in safe exile for the moment. Great Britian and the United States are the first offered.

Spain also states that it will not be adding the former German Enclaves into Spanish territory, except the port in Tangiers. It would like to have the Morrocan government elected, with Spanish help, so that it may keep the area peaceful. The resource points given to Germany and SPain from Morroco are suspended, and to be used to meet this end.

(This way Spain panders to it's anti-colonial factions, and make sure that the bad blood between Morrocans and Spanish is lessened during the war. In general Spain is saying Morroco doesn't owe SPain anything, while keeping it's enclaves of Ceutra, the Rif, and Melila: and only adding the port of Tangiers, which it considers a plus anyways. The other colonies are majority Spanish settlers anyways. Majority of the Morrocans in these areas were kicked out in 1906 during the siege of the Rif.)
Galveston Bay
31-10-2006, 22:40
Spain commends it's fighting men for the attack against Tangier's. The small SPanish victory shows that Spanish troops can defeat Germans if SPain fights smart.

Neutral countries are requested to take the Sultan of Morroco off Spanish hands. Spain does not believe he has done anything execution worthy, and would desire he be place in safe exile for the moment. Great Britian and the United States are the first offered.

Spain also states that it will not be adding the former German Enclaves into Spanish territory. And would like to have the Morrocan government elected, with Spanish help, so that it may keep the area peaceful. The resource points given to Germany and SPain from Morroco are suspended, and to be used to meet this end.

(This way Spain panders to it's anti-colonial factions, and make sure that the bad blood between Morrocans and Spanish is lessened during the war. In general Spain is saying Morroco doesn't owe SPain anything, while keeping it's enclaves of Ceutra, the Rif, and Melila. WHich is majority Spanish settlers anyways. Majority of the Morrocans in these areas were kicked out in 1906 during the siege of the Rif.)

Conservative elements in Spain press strongly for Spanish control over more then these small enclaves (ooc want what the Spanish held historically as of 1925). They even threaten to hold up the budget next year if need be to get their way
Sukiaida
31-10-2006, 23:14
(Spain didn't own Tangier in 1925. It does here, but I can add the few cities left. After all they aren't Rabat. Spain didn't have Rabat and in truth the only cities Spain doesn't have at this moment of 1925 Spanish Morroco is Arcila, Aulef, Larache, and Alcazarquiver. Also the conservatives make up a minority, the majority of Spainards are fiercly anti-colonial at this time.)

The Spanish government states that it will compromise by adding the cities of Arcila, Aulef, Larache, and Alcazarquiver with Tangier in being annexed into the Spanish sphere. Spain can't maintain Rabat at this time. It's an impossibility. The conservative faction is also reminded with the war with Germany, that budget withholding would not be held in a positive light by the people, or the media. It also would interfere with French Casablanca.

All those living inside the annexed areas are given the choice of returning to their areas of origin, or being made Spanish citiziens. Those are their choices.

Rio Muni has already been ceded to France, and SPain can not bicker with it's ally. Therefore it will not be included.
Galveston Bay
01-11-2006, 00:12
The Balkans, Mediterranean Sea and Aegean June 1912 (part 1)

Austria and Germany continue their invasion of Rumania, while Bulgaria and Turkey get into combat with French and Greek forces, while the Austrians and Serbs clash, while Italy, Austria and Germany take up defensive positions. The French move in substantial forces by sea, while the French and Italian main fleets assemble at Suda Bay, Crete. The Germans and Austrians of course move to prevent this, and a major naval battle occurs as a result

Battle of the Aegean Sea June 16
Combined Battle Fleet (French/Italian)
French 2nd Fleet (Admiral Guéprette)(16 BB1)
BB1 Suffren, Jena, St. Louis, Gaulois, Bouvet, Massena, Jaureguiberry, Democratie, Justice, Libertie, Verite, Republique, Patrie, Charlemagne, Charles Martel, Carnot

Italian 4th Fleet (5 BB1, 11 BB2)(Admiral Luigi di Savoia)
BB1 Napoli, Regina Elena, Roma, Vittorio Emanuele, Regina Margherita,
BB2 Ammiraglio di Saint Bon, Emanuele Filiberto, Re Umberto, Sicilia, Sardegnia,
Andrea Doria, Ruggerio di Lauria, Francesco Morosini, Italia, Duilio, Dandolo
Greek forces: 2 tech 4.5 destroyer flotillas

German / Austrian combined fleet (Admiral Scheer) (4 DNs, 8 BB1)
DNs Nassau, Helgoland, Ostfriesland, Thuringen
BB1s Schwaben, Mecklenberg, Kaiser Friedrich III, Kaiser Wilhelm II,
Austrian BB1s Ferdinand Max, Wien, Monarch, Budapest (Admiral Horthy)
CA Prinz Heinrich, Furst Bismarck
2 destroyer flotillas plus 1 Turkish destroyer flotilla

The German / Austrian fleet is heavily outnumbered by individually has much more effective ships and the advantage of unity of language.

The action begins early in the day, and lasts for nearly 2 hours before both sides stagger off. The French concentrate their fire on the 4 German dreadnoughts, and inflict severe damage, leaving 2 German dreadnoughts burning wrecks that have to be abandoned and scuttled and inflicting serious damage on the other 2. But the French pay a heavy price for engaging these superior ships as German fire destroys or sinks 8 French predreadnoughts in return, and forces another to limp away. Meanwhile, the Austrian and German predreadnoughts engage their Italian opposite numbers, and 1 German and 2 Austrian ships go down, but the Italians lose 3 sunk in exchange. In addition, 1 German and 2 Austrian predreadnoughts are knocked out of action, as are 2 Italian predreadnoughts.

In the meantime, a determined attack by Greek destroyers is beaten off, and 20 of them are sunk by German destroyers and cruisers.

Over the next couple of hours both fleets regroup and take stock. Admiral Scheer, concerned that he is down to a mere 3 intact battleships, 2 cruisers and his destroyers, decides to order a retirement, while Admiral Gueprette, still game although he is down to 8 French and 11 Italian battleships and has lost his escort, decides to pursue. The German, Austrian and Turkish ships suffer more damage, and 8 German and 12 Turkish destroyers are sunk, but they in turn sink 4 Italian and 2 French battleships, and leave another 3 Italian battleships are forced to limp away. Among the thousands of dead and wounded is Admiral Horthy, wounded severely when several shells hit the bridge of the Budapest, his flagship.

Both sides having essentially shot off their entire ammunition supply, they retire, each claiming victory.

German losses
Sunk: DN Helgoland, Ostfriesland, BB1 Swaben, 8 destroyers,
Damaged: Nassau (4 points to repair, 6 months at a naval yard), Thuringen (same), Kaiser Wilhem (.5 points to repair, 1 month naval base), CA Prinz Heinrich (1 point, 4 months at naval yard)
Casualties: 3500 dead
Austrian losses
Sunk: BB1 Ferdinand Max, Wien
Damaged: Monarch (.5 points, 1 month at naval base), Budapest (same),
casualties: 1400 dead
Turkish losses
Sunk: 12 destroyers, casualties: 1200 dead
Greek casualties: 20 destroyers, 2000 dead
French losses:
Sunk: BB1 St. Louis, Gaulois, Jaureguiberry, Deocratie, Justice, Libertie, Verite, Republique, Patrie, Garnot,
Damaged: Bovet (3 points, 6 months at naval yard)
Casualties: 6000 dead
Italian losses:
Sunk: BB1 Vittorio Emanuele BB2 Ammiraglio di Saint Bon, Sicilia, Sargagnia, Andrea Doria, Italia, Duilio
Damaged: Napoli (1 point, 4 months at naval yard), Re Umberto (same), Roma (same), Regina Elana (same)
Casualties: 6500 dead

German / Austrian fleet available for action June 30 (based at Istanbul)
German BB1 Mecklenberg, Kaiser Friedrich III, Kaiser Wilhelm II,
German CA Furst Bismark
1 German destroyer flotilla, 1 Turkish destroyer flotilla with Admiral Scheer

French 2nd Fleet available for action (forced to retire to Toulon as lacks escorts)
BB1 Suffern, Jena, Massena, Charlemagne, Charles Martel withAdmiral Guéprette

Italian 4th Fleet available for action (assigned to 6th Fleet for convoy duty)
BB2 Ruggerio de Lauria, Francesco Morosini, Dandola with Admiral Luigi di Savoia

OOC
Essentially the Germans and Austrians weren’t able to break out, but they still have a viable fleet in the Aegean, but the Allies are able to keep the sea lanes open so they can continue to supply Greece. The Turks still have their sea lanes open for coastal shipping but are effectively blockaded from the Mediterranean side. However Turkey still has access to the Persian Gulf and from there the Indian Ocean so are not facing severe problems yet.
Galveston Bay
01-11-2006, 01:44
The Balkans (part 2) June 1912
Albania declares its neutrality (ooc no player orders), while French and Italian forces flood into Greece, and Greek forces attack into Bulgaria. Austria attacks Serbia and Serbia attacks Bulgaria as well. Rumania attacks south into Bulgaria in hopes of linking up with the Allies coming up from the south.

Battle of western Thrace
The Greeks attack Bulgarian forces defending the border with 4 mountain divisions and 6 static infantry corps, while a mere 2 Bulgarian Mountain divisions and 1 Bulgarian infantry corps are available to defend the border. Nevertheless, the Bulgarians fight hard and manage to hold the border, preventing the Greeks from penetrating far. The Turks attack in order to provide breathing space for the Gallopolli area, and push a little ways into Greece.

By the end of the month, French and Italian forces are approaching the border to assist the Greeks and things are looking grim for Bulgaria and Turkey.

Bulgarian losses: 25,000, 1 mountain division destroyed
Greek losses: 53,000, 3 mountain divisions destroyed
Turkish losses: 5,000, no units

Greek / Bulgarian / Turkish border
Turkish forces
Wooded hex 3 hexes south southwest of Burgas: 2 militia cavalry corps, 2 cavalry divisions
Gallopolli (clear hex at entrance of Dardenelles on European side) 1 coast defense divisions, 1 light infantry division
Bulgarian Forces
Bulgarian resource hex: 1 Bulgarian infantry corps
1 hex west of that: 1 Bulgarian mountain division

Greek forces:
Mountain hex southeast of Bulgarian resource: 2 Greek static infantry corps
Mountain hex southwest of Bulgarian resource: 2 Greek static infantry corps
Wooded hex northeast of Salonica: 1 Greek static infantry corps, 2 French mountain divisions, 1 French LE light infantry brigade (ooc LE means Legion Estranger, or French Foreign Legion)
Mountain hex 2 hexes west of Bulgarian resource: 2 Greek static infantry corps, 1 Greek mountain division, 1 Greek cavalry division

Other Greek Forces in area:
Crete: 1 Greek light infantry brigade

Other Turkish forces in area:
Adrianople: 1 garrison unit
Istanbul: 1 garrison unit, 1 static infantry corps, 1 coast defense fortress, 1 light infantry brigade
French forces in Italy not on front
Salonica: 3 infantry corps, General Castelnau

Italian forces in Italy
Athens: 1 HQ, 3 infantry corps, General Diaz
Korkya: 1 infantry corps, 1 theater supply unit
Patrai: 1 infantry corps, 2 cavalry divisions

ooc
French and Italian forces arrive, but are unable to move until next month. Shipping required to move this massive force works out to be 6 transport units. So France and Italy between them need to come up with 6 transports, or 6 liner units and / or merchant shipping units or the combination needed to meet this requirement are now permanently transports until end of war (and thus not available for 1913 commerce).
Samtonia
01-11-2006, 02:07
Working through diplomatic channels, the Norwegian foreign service quietly informs Spain that the King of Morrocco could be sent to Norway, a neutral nation decidedly far away from Africa and with no Moroccan emigre population to speak of. The sources make it quite clear that Norway is willing to take him and keep him at least somewhat quiet (which won't be too hard, owing to geographic distance, lack of anyone who might fund the King's activities, and no world-wide read newsdpaper) to protect his life and the life of his family.
Sukiaida
01-11-2006, 03:47
OOC: What if SPain provides it's 1 transport unit. I'd be more than willing to make that available.

IC: Spain makes the issue of future Moroccan territory to be left in question for the future. Spain will hold onto the current territories, and be responcible for them militarily. As for their future, that shall be left for after the war. As all nations should have treat Finland and others before. We will decide after the war has ended. Currently Spain will use Morocco as a base of operations. (Even if it is highly costly in manpower.)

Spain informs Norway that it shall think about this, but would prefer a non-European country.
Malkyer
01-11-2006, 04:09
In France, the "crushing victory" in Alsace Lorraine is touted with much pomp, as are the claims of victory in the Aegean, though the phyrric nature of the latter is left largely undiscussed in newspapers.

French Army Charges Forward in Alsace-Lorraine!
Germans defeated and pushed back! Mulhouse taken, French troops threaten Strasbourg and Metz!

Excerpt: The Imperial German Army suffered nearly 300,000 casualties in the first days of the war against France, losing several of its vaunted fortifications in the occupied territories of Alsace and Lorriane in the face of superior French strategy, artillery, and fighting men. French forces under General Joffre pushed far to the south, carrying the Tricolor to the Rhine itself. Even now, the French Army is poised for a renewed offensive, as our Italian and Spanish allies send troops to aid us in the fight against the Hun militarist...


Very quietly, the French government contacts its allies in Madrid, requesting that the Spanish transfer the former Sultan to French custody in Algeria. It is felt that better detainment facilities will be available to the former Sultan and his family in Algiers.
Middle Snu
01-11-2006, 04:33
Gunpowder and Fixed Nitrogen

Before the advent of the Haber-Bosch process (which involves compression to make ammonia), the world's supply of gunpowder was dependent entirely dependent on the hard-to-find fixed nitrates. While nitrogen is a very common element, it is hard to get nitrogen into a fixed form. Prior to the Haber-Bosch process, most fixed nitrogen came from Chile and Germany, especially Chile. In this time period, three methods of nitrogen fixation exist:

The Haber-Bosch process, the nitrogen fixation method in use today, is a recent innovation in Germany. Germany can use the Haber-Bosch process to fix nitrogen fairly easily, although at some extra cost.

The other two processes, Cyanamid and Electric Arc, are possible to implement. However, they are extremely energy-intensive and would be hard for Russia to pull off.

Unfortunately for Russia, Russia has very little fixed nitrogen reserves. (http://www.pafko.com/history/h_n2_13.gif). Note that Chile has the biggest reserves, but Germany had the second-biggest reserves.

Emulating the Haber-Bosch process will be very hard if not impossible for Russia, as even British and American scientists failed to duplicate the method through World War 1.

Suggested results: Russia, Rumania, or any other country that suffers blockade (except Germany), must choose two of the following three penalties:
1. A 10% reduction to agricultural output, resulting from the total loss of nitrate fertilizers
2. Paying 20% extra maintenance on its armed forces, to reflect the extremely high cost of synthesizing nitrogen through the electric arc or cyanamid processes.
3. A significant reduction in the efficacy of its armed forces, resulting from "gunpowder rationing"

Additionally, it cannot build ammunition stockpiles as these are simply impractical.

Endnote: in real life WW1, Germany and Austria-Hungary were able to circumvent this problem by using the Haber-Bosch process. However, it should be noted that it is possible that the war might have been over within a few months had it not been for the discovery of 20,000 tons of Chile saltpetre in the docks of Antwerp.

Sources: http://www.princeton.edu/~hos/mike/texts/readmach/zmaczynski.htm
http://nsm1.utdallas.edu/bio/Reitzer/Lecture/Spring2002/BIO_3362/The%20Big%20Bang-abbrev.htm
http://www.pafko.com/history/h_s_n2.html
Galveston Bay
01-11-2006, 06:14
Gunpowder and Fixed Nitrogen

Before the advent of the Haber-Bosch process (which involves compression to make ammonia), the world's supply of gunpowder was dependent entirely dependent on the hard-to-find fixed nitrates. While nitrogen is a very common element, it is hard to get nitrogen into a fixed form. Prior to the Haber-Bosch process, most fixed nitrogen came from Chile and Germany, especially Chile. In this time period, three methods of nitrogen fixation exist:

The Haber-Bosch process, the nitrogen fixation method in use today, is a recent innovation in Germany. Germany can use the Haber-Bosch process to fix nitrogen fairly easily, although at some extra cost.

The other two processes, Cyanamid and Electric Arc, are possible to implement. However, they are extremely energy-intensive and would be hard for Russia to pull off.

Unfortunately for Russia, Russia has very little fixed nitrogen reserves. (http://www.pafko.com/history/h_n2_13.gif). Note that Chile has the biggest reserves, but Germany had the second-biggest reserves.

Emulating the Haber-Bosch process will be very hard if not impossible for Russia, as even British and American scientists failed to duplicate the method through World War 1.

Suggested results: Russia, Rumania, or any other country that suffers blockade (except Germany), must choose two of the following three penalties:
1. A 10% reduction to agricultural output, resulting from the total loss of nitrate fertilizers
2. Paying 20% extra maintenance on its armed forces, to reflect the extremely high cost of synthesizing nitrogen through the electric arc or cyanamid processes.
3. A significant reduction in the efficacy of its armed forces, resulting from "gunpowder rationing"

Additionally, it cannot build ammunition stockpiles as these are simply impractical.

Endnote: in real life WW1, Germany and Austria-Hungary were able to circumvent this problem by using the Haber-Bosch process. However, it should be noted that it is possible that the war might have been over within a few months had it not been for the discovery of 20,000 tons of Chile saltpetre in the docks of Antwerp.

Sources: http://www.princeton.edu/~hos/mike/texts/readmach/zmaczynski.htm
http://nsm1.utdallas.edu/bio/Reitzer/Lecture/Spring2002/BIO_3362/The%20Big%20Bang-abbrev.htm
http://www.pafko.com/history/h_s_n2.html

the game result will vary according to nation, but Russia will get through this year. I agree with Middle Snu on this. Agricultural output will drop in the warring powers also. On the other hand, income from Agriculture will go up in some nations that are exporting lots of food, and Chile is going to get a nice boost too (all that bird poop made into ammo)

When 1913 starts, specific economic penalties will be posted. In addition, commerce is what you earned the previous year, not what you are earning in the current year to make life simple. That way commercial shipping losses, blockades, merchant shipping made into transports etc can be deducted without us having to constantly adjust budgets.
Whittlesfield
01-11-2006, 12:12
The Balkans (part 2) June 1912
Albania declares its neutrality (ooc no player orders), while French and Italian forces flood into Greece, and Greek forces attack into Bulgaria. Austria attacks Serbia and Serbia attacks Bulgaria as well. Rumania attacks south into Bulgaria in hopes of linking up with the Allies coming up from the south.

Battle of western Thrace
The Greeks attack Bulgarian forces defending the border with 4 mountain divisions and 6 static infantry corps, while a mere 2 Bulgarian Mountain divisions and 1 Bulgarian infantry corps are available to defend the border. Nevertheless, the Bulgarians fight hard and manage to hold the border, preventing the Greeks from penetrating far. The Turks attack in order to provide breathing space for the Gallopolli area, and push a little ways into Greece.

By the end of the month, French and Italian forces are approaching the border to assist the Greeks and things are looking grim for Bulgaria and Turkey.

Bulgarian losses: 25,000, 1 mountain division destroyed
Greek losses: 53,000, 3 mountain divisions destroyed
Turkish losses: 5,000, no units

Greek / Bulgarian / Turkish border
Turkish forces
Wooded hex 3 hexes south southwest of Burgas: 2 militia cavalry corps, 2 cavalry divisions
Gallopolli (clear hex at entrance of Dardenelles on European side) 1 coast defense divisions, 1 light infantry division
Bulgarian Forces
Bulgarian resource hex: 1 Bulgarian infantry corps
1 hex west of that: 1 Bulgarian mountain division

Greek forces:
Mountain hex southeast of Bulgarian resource: 2 Greek static infantry corps
Mountain hex southwest of Bulgarian resource: 2 Greek static infantry corps
Wooded hex northeast of Salonica: 1 Greek static infantry corps, 2 French mountain divisions, 1 French LE light infantry brigade (ooc LE means Legion Estranger, or French Foreign Legion)
Mountain hex 2 hexes west of Bulgarian resource: 2 Greek static infantry corps, 1 Greek mountain division, 1 Greek cavalry division

Other Greek Forces in area:
Crete: 1 Greek light infantry brigade

Other Turkish forces in area:
Adrianople: 1 garrison unit
Istanbul: 1 garrison unit, 1 static infantry corps, 1 coast defense fortress, 1 light infantry brigade
French forces in Italy not on front
Salonica: 3 infantry corps, General Castelnau

Italian forces in Italy
Athens: 1 HQ, 3 infantry corps, General Diaz
Korkya: 1 infantry corps, 1 theater supply unit
Patrai: 1 infantry corps, 2 cavalry divisions

ooc
French and Italian forces arrive, but are unable to move until next month. Shipping required to move this massive force works out to be 6 transport units. So France and Italy between them need to come up with 6 transports, or 6 liner units and / or merchant shipping units or the combination needed to meet this requirement are now permanently transports until end of war (and thus not available for 1913 commerce).
This doesn't match my army posted in my thread...GB, orders have been sent...
Sukiaida
01-11-2006, 17:13
Hmm 10% loss of agriculture? Hmm I can still manage that. Yep I sure can. And still have lots of food. Anyways, wait I see one little question.

If this nitrate was so hard to find, then how come Britain, France, and their allies still had massive week bombardments with lots of fighting and only an ammunition problem in the first months of the war? Important question.

Either way I am not under a blockade so I don't think I have this problem at the moment.
Galveston Bay
01-11-2006, 19:15
This doesn't match my army posted in my thread...GB, orders have been sent...


ooc
this will be discussed one time only. You give orders, other people give me orders, combat is resolved, forces then move according to results of combat and maneuver. You as a player are not a general, you are the government. Generals may or may not necessarily be able to do what you ask depending on situation. In some situations, orders do not match the reality of the situation. In addition, other people are acting sometimes on your country and in this case that is what occured.

Bottom line, results stand as gamed out.
Galveston Bay
01-11-2006, 19:16
Hmm 10% loss of agriculture? Hmm I can still manage that. Yep I sure can. And still have lots of food. Anyways, wait I see one little question.

If this nitrate was so hard to find, then how come Britain, France, and their allies still had massive week bombardments with lots of fighting and only an ammunition problem in the first months of the war? Important question.

Either way I am not under a blockade so I don't think I have this problem at the moment.

ooc
they had access to foreign supplies throughout the war due to Britiannia ruling the waves
Galveston Bay
01-11-2006, 19:18
The Balkans June 1912 (part 3)

Battle of Sofia
Serbian forces invade Bulgaria, aiming to capture Sofia and knock it out of the war. The Serbs have 2 static infantry corps and 3 mountain divisions facing 2 German mountain divisions and 1 Austrian mountain division and German General Von Bothmer (who was present as a military advisor to Bulgaria). The Austrian and German force halts the Serbs and then throws the Serbs right back across the border in heavy fighting that wrecks both armies.

Serbian losses: 80,000 casualties, 3 light infantry divisions, 1 static infantry corps destroyed
German losses 20,000 casualties, 1 mountain division destroyed
Austrian losses 20,000 casualties, 1 mountain division destroyed

Battle of Bucharest
The Rumanians attempt to push south into Bulgaria to link up with advancing Allied forces and leave a rear guard to slow or halt the Coalition forces pushing into Rumania from the north, east and west.

The 3rd Army, with 2 static infantry corps and 1 fortress corps holds Bucharest while the rest of the Rumanian Army attacks south. The Germans attack with 5 heavy infantry corps and General Von Mackensen, along with 2 Bulgarian infantry corps and 1 Austrian HQ storms the city. The Rumanians fight hard but are overwhelmed and the capital of Rumania falls.

German losses 40,000 casualties, 1 heavy infantry corps destroyed
Bulgarian losses 9,000 casualties
Rumanian losses 150,000 casualties including 100,000 POWs, 2 static infantry corps, 1 fortress corps

Breakout of the Rumanian Army
The Rumanians attack south toward Bulgaria with 3 infantry corps, 3 static infantry corps, 1 mountain division, 1 observation plane unit and General Averescu against little opposition initially. A pair of Bulgarian cavalry divisions are pushed into Varna and with that the Rumanians get across the Danube and push south, taking undefended Burgas.

With the fall of Bucharest, German and Bulgarian forces follow in hot pursuit and are right behind as June comes to an end.

Invasion of Serbia
Meanwhile, the entire Austrian Army switches from its attack on Rumania and joins up with other Austrian forces to move into Serbia, hoping to knock it out of the war quickly.

Serbian General Putnik defends Belgrade with 2 fortress infantry corps and 2 light infantry divisions which are attacked by 4 Austrian infantry corps and 4 Austrian static infantry corps along with General Dankl and 1 HQ unit. Another Austrian infantry corps drives out of Sarejevo, and comes up from the south, and facing encirclement, General Putnik orders elements of the army to break south but is overruled by the government and thus the last 2 mountain divisions and a militia corps are ordered to Belgrade to join in the defense. The city falls, and desperate efforts to take it back by the remnants of the Serbian Army in the area fail. On June 27, General Putnik and the survivors of his command are forced to surrender. The government, trapped during the encirclement is also forced to surrender and the survivors of the Serbian Army that attacked Bulgaria also march into captivity.

Serbian losses: 350,000 casualties including 150,000 POWs, all Serbian units are eliminated, as is General Putnik and Serbian government
Austrian losses: 70,000 casualties, 2 static infantry corps

OOC
Serbia is no longer a PC country for the time being. Player may pick another that is available but will not be able to start until 1913 (earliest).

Military situation Balkans June 30, 1912
Austrian forces
Belgrade – 1 HQ unit, 2 static infantry corps, 1 police unit (only police unit needed to occupy Serbia)
Hex east of Belgrade - 2 Infantry corps, General Dankl
Hex west of Belgrade – 2 infantry corps
Hex South of Belgrade – 1 infantry corps
Sarejevo – 1 fortress corps

German Forces
Bucharest - 1 heavy infantry corps,
Ploesti – 1 heavy infantry corps
Hex northwest of Burgas – 3 heavy infantry corps, 1 HQ, General Von Mackensen
Sofia – 1 mountain division

Bulgarian Forces
Varna – 2 infantry corps, 2 cavalry divisions, 1 light infantry brigade
Wooded hex southeast of Bucharest – 1 infantry corps
Bulgarian resource hex: 1 Bulgarian infantry corps
1 hex west of that: 1 Bulgarian mountain division

Serbian forces – eliminated
Rumanian Forces
Burgas – 4 infantry corps, General Averescu
Wooded hex west of Burgas – 2 static infantry corps

ooc
this was a confusing mess, but luck, skill, initial deployments and some effective die rolling for the Austrian Army and pitiful die rolling for the Serbian Army made the difference. Sometimes the breaks fall unevenly.
Galveston Bay
01-11-2006, 22:47
War in the Far East (part 1)

The Japanese enter the war and launch a massive invasion of Siberia, while at the same time sending their fleets, along with a German squadron that joins them, into action to sweep the Far East and Western Pacific of Allied shipping and warships. Siam also joins the war and invades French Indochina, while the French send their fleet to destroy the Siamese Navy and bombard Bangkok. The Italians, massively outnumbered, join up with the French in an effort to survive.

This French plan is thwarted when a Japanese fleet shows up, and the French are forced to make a desperate run for Singapore, hoping to refuel and pass through the Straits of Malacca to the Indian Ocean, then French held Pondicherry (India) to refuel before joining up with the Italian fleet in Italian East Africa.

Battle of the South China Sea
On June 15, a fleet under the command of Admiral Prince Higashifushimi Yorihito sweeps south. A force of 2 BCs and 10 CLs gets ahead of the French, cutting them off, while 4 CA, 8 CP, 20 destroyers, and 40 torpedo boats closes in from the north and west.

The combined Allied 8th Fleet, with 7 CA, 9 CP, 20 DD, 20 MS, is trapped and forced to fight. It turns on the slower fleet coming in from the north and west, hoping to overpower it and break toward the Philippines. The faster Japanese pursuit force closes the range even as the two fleets engage one another in a slugfest. At a heavy cost of 2 CA, 1 CP and 10 destroyers sunk, the Allies manage to break through, leaving 1 Japanese CP sinking. However, with a significant speed advantage, the Japanese light cruisers and battle cruisers again overall the retreating Allied ships, while the slower protected and armored cruisers, along with the destroyers and torpedo boats catch up with slower damaged Allied ships.

In the end, the Japanese simply overrun and overpower the Allied ships. Only the French armored cruiser Dupetit-Thouars and 3 Italian destroyers manage to make it to Manila and seek internment. The Japanese capture 20 Italian minesweepers and the rest of the fleet is either sunk or scuttled to prevent capture.

Italian losses: 1 CA, 1 CP, 1 destroyer flotilla, 1 minesweeper flotilla, 3500 casualties (2000 POW)
French losses: 6 CA, 8 CP, 6000 (4500 POW)
Japanese losses:
sunk CA Izamo, Asama CP Niitaka, Suma, Akashi, 1 torpedo boat flotilla
damaged: CA Iwata, Tiakiwa, 1 torpedo boat flotilla, 1 destroyer flotilla damaged (4 points needed to repair and 6 months total time all ships)
plus 4,000 casualties

As the naval pursuit is under way, Japanese forces blockade the Italian held islands of Quemoy off the coast of China. These Italian troops, now cut off from ammunition and spares from home, are now essentially a self supporting POW camp.
Sukiaida
01-11-2006, 23:21
OOC: AHem, how does the United States embargo on Japan work? If I remember that Japan can go 6 months on it's fuel supplies without any problem, but after that they start to hurt.

IC: Spain once again is forced to show distress over the defeats in Asia, but says a silent thanks to the United States for taking away the Philippines because it has left Spain with no Asian interests.
Galveston Bay
01-11-2006, 23:25
ooc
that was an oil embargo.. at this point, nearly the entire Japanese Navy burns coal, and it has lots of it in Japanese Manchuria

IC
Fighting in the Far East and Pacific June 1912 (part 2)

Invasion of French Indochina
Siamese forces cross the border, and rather then fight outnumbered in Cambodia, the French abandon it and pull back to Saigon. However, the French do make a stand in Laos.

The Siamese attack Laos first, with 4 light infantry divisions, 1 static infantry corps and supported by an observation aircraft unit. The French are defending with a garrison unit, and reinforce that defense with a brigade of LE light infantry. Although the French garrison fights bravely, it is overrun, and the survivors, 1 brigade of the LE, and a brigade of light infantry created from the survivors of the garrison, retreat into northern Laos.

Siamese casualties 26,000, 1 static infantry corps destroyed
French casualties 11,000, 1 garrison unit reduced to light infantry brigade

Meanwhile, the Siamese march through Cambodia unopposed and also occupy Hue, also unopposed, capturing the imperial capital and finding the Emperor Duy Tan is very willing to accept Siamese help. Duy Tan calls for insurrection against the French and independence, and requests a formal alliance with the King of Siam in the name of Asian brotherhood.

The Siamese then attempt to assault Saigon, joined by untrained Vietnamese insurgents (an untrained militia unit). The French, defending with 2 garrison units, fight hard against an assault by 2 Siamese static infantry corps, 2 Siamese infantry corps, and 1 untrained Vietnamese militia corps and are overrun and forced to surrender.

Siamese losses: 37,000 casualties, 1 static infantry corps
Vietnamese insurgent losses: 31,000 casualties, 1 militia corps
French losses: 30,000 casualties, 2 garrison units, 1 naval base destroyed

Situation French Indochina June 30, 1912
French forces
Hex west of Hanoi: 2 light infantry brigades (1 is LE)
Hanoi: 1 garrison unit, 1 light infantry brigade (LE)

Siamese forces
Saigon: 1 static infantry corps, 2 infantry corps
Viet Tiane: 4 light infantry divisions
Galveston Bay
02-11-2006, 00:39
Battles in the Baltic and Atlantic June 1912
Germans assume control of 4 just completed dreadnoughts that were being built for Japan, and also hurry to completion 3 dreadnoughts. Crews are provided by demobilizing 5 predreadnoughts. The dreadnoughts planned for the Japanese are different from the ones planned for the German Navy (German are 3 attack, 5 defense, 3 speed, 2 range, Japanese design was 3 attack, 4 defense, 3 speed, 4 range) and pose a real threat to any prospective French blockade of Germany and indeed to French sea lines of communication. The former Japanese ships are called the Kaiser class.

The Germans spend June preparing their dreadnought fleet for action, and send the remaining pre dreadnoughts to deal with a Russian attempted break out into the Gulf of Finland. A series of battles and skirmishes result as Russian naval forces attempt to isolate Finland from German support.

The Germans manage to keep the supply lines open, but the steady fighting costs them heavily.

German losses:
Sunk: BB1 Deutchland, Pommern, Schlesian, Elsass, Preussen, 1 destroyer flotilla
Damaged: BB1 Hannover (1 point, 2 months to repair)
Casualties: 5,000

Russian losses
Sunk: BC John Paul Jones (ooc who served as an Admiral in the Russian Navy under Catherine the Great and is an appropriate name for an American build ship in Russian service), 1 destroyer flotilla
Damaged: BC Borodino (2 points to repair, 4 months), Kutusov (1 point, 2 months), 1 torpedo boat flotilla (1 point, 2 months),

Meanwhile, on land, the Russians attempt to crush Finland, drawing reserves from the defenses of Petrograd and attacking with 2 heavy infantry corps, 2 static infantry corps, and under the command of the Grand Duke himself. Although fighting is heavy, the Finns and Germans are overrun, and Mannerheim and the government are forced to flee to Germany as Russian forces take Helsinki.

Finnish losses: 2 light infantry divisions, 40,000 casualties (including 20,000 POWs)
German losses: 1 light infantry division, 20,000 casualties (including 10,000 POWs)
Russian losses: 2 static infantry corps, 60,000 casualties

Murmansk 1 Mountain division
Petsamo 1 Finnish Mountain division
3 hexes south of Murmansk 2 Mountain divisions
Russians have 1 static corps to defend the vital rail junction, and another to Archengel to firm up this front.

Helsinki: 2 Russian heavy infantry corps

Available Russian Baltic Fleet June 30
BC Borodino, Kutusov , Suvarov, Prince Bagration, Markarov, 1 minesweeper flotilla, CP Aurora, 1 coast defense submarine flotilla

German Home fleets June 30
Ostsee-Flotte (based at Konigsburg)
Battle fleet
DN Oldenburg, Posen, Westfalen, Rheineland,
Gulf of Finland patrol
BB1 Hessen
2 motor torpedo boat flotillas, 1 minesweeper flotilla,

High Seas Fleet (based at Kiel)
DN Kaiser, Friederich der Grosse, Kaiserin, Prinzregent Luitpold
CA Roon, Prinz Adalbert, Friedrich Karl,
CP Gazelle, Niobe, Nymphe, Thetis, Ariadne, Amazone, Medusa, Frauenlob, Arcona, Endine
2 transport groups
1 long range submarine flotilla

Demobilized to provide crews for new DNs
BB1 Lothringen, Wittelsbach, Wettin, Zahringen, Braunschweig,

BB1 Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse, Kaiser Barbarossa, BB2 Hilderbrand, Hagen, Odin, Agir, Siegfried, Beowulf, Frithjof, Heimdall, CP1 Victoria Louise, Hertha, Freya, Vineta, Hansa, Bussard, Falke, Seeadler, Condor, Cormoran, Geier, Hela, Gefion, Irene, Prinzess Wilhelm, Kaserin Augusta, 2 torpedo boat flotillas

(mothball and demobilized naval units can be returned to service at 2 points each, takes 4 months)
Kilani
02-11-2006, 01:15
Any members of the "Finnish government" that are captured are, after speedy trials, hung for treason against the state. All Finnish officers above the rank of major are tried, found guilty and shot for desertion and treason.

The fifty or so bodies are simply buried together in a large, unmarked grave somewhere outside of Helsinki.

In the meantime, Russia reports that the unlawful rebellion in the Finnish provinces has been "quelled" and any Finns still fighting with Coalition forces can and will be charged with treason if captured under arms.
Kordo
02-11-2006, 01:30
All high-ranking Serbian officials that are caught are arrested and placed in 'protective' arrest. While many are sent back to Austria-Hungary proper, many more are killed resisting arrest or are killed when Serbian partisans ambush their convoys.

Outsider observers are also quick to note many of the supply trains going into Serbia carry salt. It is soon leaked to Serbian citizens that current plans call for the razing of the center of Serbia's capital and then the salting of it. Others note that while most former Serbian government buildings are well guarded, the libraries and museums in Serbia are quickly looted and then burned. When AH commanders request orders on what to do about this, AH High Command leaves it to their discretion.
Kilani
02-11-2006, 01:36
All high-ranking Serbian officials that are caught are arrested and placed in 'protective' arrest. While many are sent back to Austria-Hungary proper, many more are killed resisting arrest or are killed when Serbian partisans ambush their convoys.

Outsider observers are also quick to note many of the supply trains going into Serbia carry salt. It is soon leaked to Serbian citizens that current plans call for the razing of the center of Serbia's capital and then the salting of it. Others note that while most former Serbian government buildings are well guarded, the libraries and museums in Serbia are quickly looted and then burned. When AH commanders request orders on what to do about this, AH High Command leaves it to their discretion.

Russia condemns this barbaric treatment of the Serbian people by the Austro-Hungarians and calls for international condemnation of this act.


Back in Finland, the Russian army disassembles the production center in Helsinki and begins shipping it to Petrograd.
Galveston Bay
02-11-2006, 01:48
ooc
that Finnish production center was damaged in the fighting by the way, and will require 12 points to repair (moved or not)

IC
Siberia and China June 1912
The Japanese invade Siberia with 3 armies aiming to capture the entirety of Maritime Russia from Chita to Vladivostok.

The Siege and Assault of Vladivostok
The Japanese attack the strong defenses of Vladivostok with a massive fleet of 16 predreadnoughts for fire support, plus minesweepers, plus an army of 700,000 men plus an amphibious assault force of 30,000 men. The Russian garrison of 250,000, sitting behind powerful fortifications, prepares to fight to the end.

Clearing mines and dealing with coastal guns costs the Japanese 5 predreadnoughts damaged (out for 4 months, cost 1 point each to repair) and 4 others are sunk. However, gradually one by one the Russian guns are silenced , clearing the way for an amphibious assault. Meanwhile, the Japanese spend 2 weeks getting into position around the city, surrounding it on western, northwest and northeastern sides, and cutting it off from home.

Heavy guns pound the city from both the land side and by sea, and under the cover of this, the Japanese launch their amphibious assault by sea while launching another assault by land. The amphibious assault is repelled at a frightful cost to the Japanese, but this ties down nearly 1/3 of the remaining defenders even as the land assault is underway. The Japanese find to their surprise that the Russians are much more tactically capable and efficient then the last war (equal proficiency). The fighting is bitter but after 2 weeks, the Japanese have taken the city and forced the remaining defenders to surrender.

Japanese losses:
IJN
4 predreadnought battleships sunk, 5 damaged, 4 marine brigades destroyed, 28,000 naval casualties
Japanese Army
94, 000 casualties, 3 static infantry corps destroyed
Russian losses
260,000 casualties (including 160,000 POWs), 1 fortress destroyed, 1 fortress infantry corps, 3 static infantry corps, 1 coastal defense unit destroyed

Meanwhile, the Japanese 3rd Army crosses the Amur River and taking Khaborosvk, while the 2nd Army assaults Blagovenshenik, destroying a Russian corps defending that area, before swinging northeast toward Chita. (another 20,000 Japanese casualties and 1 heavy infantry corps destroyed, another 20,000 Russian casualties and 1 static infantry corps destroyed).




Russian forces end of June
Chita: 1 infantry corps, 1 cavalry corps
Ulan Batur: 1 infantry corps, 1 cavalry corps

Japanese Forces
Vladivostok: 3 heavy infantry corps, 2 infantry corps, 1 HQ, 3 seige artillery units, 2 marine brigades, 1 light infantry division
Kharborovsk: 1 heavy infantry corps, 1 infantry corps, 1 static infantry corps, 1 artillery division, 1 HQ
Blagovenshenik; 1 garrison unit, 1 supply unit
Mountain hex west of Blagovenshenik: 1 heavy infantry corps
Mountain hex 2 hexes northwest of Harbin: 10 motorized infantry brigades, 1 heavy infantry corps, 1 motorized HQ, 1 artillery division
Harbin: 4 supply units (available to move as needed), 3 cavalry divisions
Galveston Bay
02-11-2006, 01:51
All high-ranking Serbian officials that are caught are arrested and placed in 'protective' arrest. While many are sent back to Austria-Hungary proper, many more are killed resisting arrest or are killed when Serbian partisans ambush their convoys.

Outsider observers are also quick to note many of the supply trains going into Serbia carry salt. It is soon leaked to Serbian citizens that current plans call for the razing of the center of Serbia's capital and then the salting of it. Others note that while most former Serbian government buildings are well guarded, the libraries and museums in Serbia are quickly looted and then burned. When AH commanders request orders on what to do about this, AH High Command leaves it to their discretion.

ooc
there aren't any Serbian partisans yet. Actual killings are in the low dozens because most AH officers refuse to violate the laws of war, and let police handle that kind of thing, if they allow it at all. Overall the Army refuses to commit any organized atrocities (although frequent unofficial atrocities occur, especially when Slovenian and Croatian troops are involved).
Haneastic
02-11-2006, 02:03
In Japan, the mood is enthusiatic. Smashing victories in Russia and the high seas causing massive casualties to the enemies of Japan were recorded. Emperor Taisho presented the Admirals in charge of the 1st and 2nd Fleet with medals and personally thanked them for their excellent work. The marines are covered in medals for their corageous work in Vladivostock.
Kilani
02-11-2006, 02:06
The Russian papers, on the other hand, point out that massive numbers of the "screaming Japanese hordes" were hurled back for over two weeks with great loss and that the marines were slaughtered attempting to attack Vladivistok from the ocean.

It praises the defenders, telling them that their courage will be remembered forever in Russia.
[NS]Parthini
02-11-2006, 03:10
The United Kingdom issues a statement that no mines will be laid in the English Channel without the consent of Britain. Indescriminant mining will be considered an infringement on Britain's neutrality and Freedom of the Seas.
Haneastic
02-11-2006, 03:13
OOC: what's the status of the Tran-Siberian railroad I control, and what's the status of Vladivostock's port facilities?
Middle Snu
02-11-2006, 03:32
Siam treats all POWs with respect, at least for now-after all, the French troops did fight well and there is no need to antagonize France.

Meanwhile, aid to the Vietnamese and Cambodian people is very large, providing not only level I social services but also infrastruture upgrades (1.5 points for the approximately 10 million people.) In the new primary schools, three languages are taught-Siamese, the local language, and French. Plus, a large sum (.5 points) is handed out as aid to poor Vietnamese, mostly in the countryside (essentially cash payments).

2 points is spent for two light infantry brigades, to include about 40% Siamese, 20% Cambodians, 10% Laotians, and 30% Vietnamese.
Abbassia
02-11-2006, 08:27
Rumanian General Averescu who is held up in Burgas is contacted and informed of the situation:

-Rumania has been overrun.
-You are in Bulgarian Territory.
-You are cut off supplies.
-A superior force is in pursuit.
-To the south lay the mountainous regions.

The General is assured that a breakout attempt is forseen and is assured that it will result in very heavy casualties, no doubt since our ammo stocks can be replenished and his are not.

The General is assuered aswell that Bulgarian docterine in defending this particular area has been perfected by both current and past Greek aggressions in this and the last war; We know every pass, every hill, every chokepoint and every vantage point.

The General must ask himself; how many of his soldiers he willing to sacrifice -how many mothers is he willing to orphan- to reach treacherous Greece. Which will face, in a not too long a while, a combined Coalition Force now that equelly treacherous Serbia has been also pacified.

The General is finally advised to surrender, avoid further Bloodshed and return home knowing that he did his best trying to defend his country from the treachery and incompetance of its leaders.
_____________________________________________

German General Von Bothmer is awarded a highly distinguished medal for his valor on the battlefield against the Serbian's outrageous sneak attack on Sophia despite announcements of neutrality on their part.

German General Von Mackensen is congratulated on his superb victory over the Rumanians.

Congratulations are sent to the Dual Monarchy on their elimination of the Serbian threat.

Finally, The Republic of Albania is contacted and is assured that it will continue to honour its mutual defensive pact with it, should any belligerents decide to violate Albanian neutrality.
Rodenka
02-11-2006, 16:30
General Averescu sends the following reply.

"Dear Sir,

It is with little regret that I reject your call for the surrender of my army. I would do a grave disservice to the valiant defenders of Bucharest who sacrificed themselves so that my army could make good it's withdrawal and to the country I have sworn to lay down my life for. Additionally, I see no reason to surender my force to a nation that the armies of Rumania have consistently beaten on the field of battle.

In short, a Rumanian army shall never surrender to a Bulgarian officer. Your effort to induce me to surrender the courageous men of this army has failed. Rumania shall be liberated. God save King Carol and God save Rumania.

[signed]
General Alexandru Averescu
Rumanian Army of Liberation, Officer Commanding"
Galveston Bay
02-11-2006, 18:25
Eastern Front June 1912
In the Ukraine, Russian forces pull back to the Dnieper River, abandoning Odessa. All available reserves are shifted to this front to rebuild the line. German forces occupy Odessa and move up to the Dnieper line and attack Dnepopetrovsk. Concentrated German heavy artillery blasts the city apart, and the Germans assault and take the rubble with the city falling on June 28.

German losses: 20,000 (1 replacement unit used)
Russian losses: 32,000 (2 static infantry corps destroyed), 1 observation plane unit
Slavic (Yugoslav) volunteers: 35,000 (1 infantry corps destroyed)

Further north, the line also remains inactive but attrition accounts for 30,000 German, 5,000 Polish and 2,000 Baltic casualties, as well as 35,000 Russian casualties.

Forces end of June
German Army Group B
Talinn – 2 Baltic infantry corps, 1 German heavy infantry corps, 2 observation aircraft wings, 1 HQ,
2 hexes southeast of Helsinki – 1 German heavy infantry corps, 1 Polish heavy infantry corps, 1 Polish infantry corps
2 hexes west of Pskov – 1 German heavy infantry corps, 1 Polish heavy infantry corps, 1 Polish infantry corps,
2 hexes east of Riga – 1 German heavy infantry corps, 1 Polish heavy infantry corps, 1 Polish static infantry corps

German Army Group C
hex 3 hexes northeast of Vilna – 2 German heavy infantry corps
Hex 2 hexes west of Vitbsk – 2 German heavy infantry corps
Hex 2 hexes northeast of Minsk – 2 German heavy infantry corps
hex 2 hexes southwest of Vitbsk – 2 German heavy infantry corps,
Hex 2 hexes east of Minsk – 2 German heavy infantry corps
Minsk – 1 German HQ, 1 observation plane unit

Russian Baltic Front
Petrograd – 1 heavy infantry corps, 1 coast defense unit, 1 static infantry corps, 1 fortress infantry corps, 1 observation aircraft wing
forest hex 2 hexes south Vyborg – 2 heavy infantry corps, 1 static infantry corps
swamp hex west of Pskov -- 1 heavy infantry corps, 1 static infantry corps
Pskov – 1 HQ, 2 heavy infantry corps, 1 militia cavalry corps, 1 observation aircraft wing
Southwest of Pskov – 1 infantry corps, 2 static infantry corps,

Russian Central Front
Wooded hex 3 hexes east of Minsk – 3 static infantry corps,
wooded hex 2 hexes south of Vitbsk – 3 static infantry corps, 1 militia cavalry corps,
Hex east of Vitbsk – 1 HQ, 1 observation plane unit
wooded hex west of Vitbsk – 1 infantry corps, 2 static infantry corps, 1 militia cavalry corps

Russian Ukraine front end of May
Forest hex 2 hexes north Kiev – 1 static infantry corps,
Hex 2 hexes west of Kursk – 1 HQ unit
Hex northeast of Kiev – 2 static infantry corps, 2 observation aircraft units
Hex east of Kiev –2 static infantry corps,
Hex 2 hexes east of Kiev – 1 static infantry corps, 1 militia cavalry corps
Hex 2 hexes west of Kharkov – 1 static infantry corps, 1 militia cavalry corps
Kharkov – 3 cavalry corps, 1 HQ,
hex northeast of Dnepopetrovsk – 2 militia cavalry corps
hex east of Dnepopetrovsk – 2 static infantry corps,
Hex – 1 militia corps, 1 heavy infantry corps
Hex – 1 militia corps, 1 heavy infantry corps
Hex – 1 cavalry corps, 1 light infantry division

German Army Group G
2 hexes southwest of Minsk – 1 German heavy infantry corps
3 hexes southwest of Minsk – 1 German heavy infantry corps
4 hexes southwest of Minsk – 1 German heavy infantry corps
hex southwest of Kiev - 1 HQ,
Kiev – 2 heavy infantry corps, 2 observation plane units,
hex southeast of Kiev – 2 heavy infantry corps, Crown Prince
hex 2 hexes northwest of Dnepetrovsk - 1 heavy infantry corps

German Army Group D
Wooded hex northwest of Dnepopetrovsk- 1 heavy infantry corps, 2 siege artillery units
Dnepopetrovsk – 2 heavy infantry corps, 2 siege artillery units, 1 observation plane unit, 1 fighter plane unit
Hex west of Dnepopetrovsk – 1 heavy infantry corps
Hex southeast of Ukraine resource hex – 1 heavy infantry corps
Nikolayev – 1 heavy infantry corps
Ukraine resource hex – 1 HQ
Odessa – 1 motorized infantry brigade, 1 HQ
4 hexes west of Lvov – 1 theater supply unit, 1 Austrian cavalry corps

German Reserves
Warsaw: 4 replacement corps
Lvov: 3 replacement corps

Special note: no more Baltic units can be built except replacement units (1 only)
Sukiaida
02-11-2006, 18:27
A long list of different treaties are made, and sent out. SPanish newspapermen are sent throughout the fronts. To Russia, Rumania, Serbia, and everywhere else the Coalition is sent to. With great danger to themselves, they catergorize, and take pictures of any and all atrocities of the Japanese, Germans, Austria Hungarians, and Bulgarians. Any abuse is reported. Japanese murdering of POW's (Which the player charecter can't prevent as it's ingrained in Japanese culture to hold prisoners in contempt and murder them at any turn. It's nothing the Japanese player could prevent.) All of it is reported. Where newspapermen and cameras are not allowed, they sneak in. Any deaths of SPanish reporters are then hailed even more to the great neutral powers of the United States and Great Britain. The campaign to demonize the Coalition begins.

(Basically SPain is using a huge smatter campaign against the Coalition. THe 2 points I get from Morroco regularly are to be used for this. ANd haven't been using very often. Basically show the hypocrisy to the US and Britain, and any other country.)
Galveston Bay
02-11-2006, 18:40
A long list of different treaties are made, and sent out. SPanish newspapermen are sent throughout the fronts. To Russia, Rumania, Serbia, and everywhere else the Coalition is sent to. With great danger to themselves, they catergorize, and take pictures of any and all atrocities of the Japanese, Germans, Austria Hungarians, and Bulgarians. Any abuse is reported. Japanese murdering of POW's (Which the player charecter can't prevent as it's ingrained in Japanese culture to hold prisoners in contempt and murder them at any turn. It's nothing the Japanese player could prevent.) All of it is reported. Where newspapermen and cameras are not allowed, they sneak in. Any deaths of SPanish reporters are then hailed even more to the great neutral powers of the United States and Great Britain. The campaign to demonize the Coalition begins.

(Basically SPain is using a huge smatter campaign against the Coalition. THe 2 points I get from Morroco regularly are to be used for this. ANd haven't been using very often. Basically show the hypocrisy to the US and Britain, and any other country.)

you are assuming that they let you report such things. Incidently, Japanese ill treatment of POWs didn't start until after the China Incident in 1937. The Japanese officers corps 1900 - 1924 made sure to keep control of the troops and Japanese treatment of POWs was within the letter and spirit of the Geneva Convention up to that point. It wasn't until the Black Dragon Society and its ilk got control of the officer corps that atrocities became normal.

Read the book Soldiers of the Sun to get an excellent view and analysis of the Japanese Army 1870 - 1945
Galveston Bay
02-11-2006, 18:49
Southern Front June 1912
Alliance and Turkish forces readjust their lines to prepare for further operations next month. Armenian resistance is crushed by a Turkish offensive that also results in numerous and extensive atrocities against Armenian civilians. Half the population flees into Russia, but nearly 500,000 are killed or injured.

Turkish 2nd Army Group
4 hexes west of Trabzon – 1 infantry corps, 1 HQ unit,1 Observation planes unit
hex southeast of Batumi -3 light infantry divisions
Kars(Kars is not pictured on map, but is hex located 5 hexes east of Trabzon – 1 fortress division, 1 fortress, 1 Observation plane unit
2 hexes east of Trabzon - 2 infantry corps
2 hexes southeast of Batumi – 1 supply unit, 3 light infantry divisions

other Turkish forces
Regional Garrisons
Garrison units at Mecca, Medina, Baghdad, Jerusalem, Damascus,
Mosul(deployed at each city hex)

Cavalry Corp Deployments
Cavalry divisions at Amman, Mosul,

Tiflis – 4 Chinese light infantry divisions, 2 Russian mountain division, General Yudenich, 1 HQ, 1 cavalry corps
Batumi - 1 static infantry corps
Hex east of Batumi - 1 static infantry corps,
Hex 2 hexes east of Batumi – 1 static infantry corps, 1 light infantry division,
Hex labeled 21 - 1 static infantry corps,

Black Sea fleet (based at Sevastapol)
3 BB1, 3 CP1, 1 destroyer flotilla, 1 torpedo boat
flotilla
1 fortress unit and 1 fortress at Sevastapol

Turkish casualties 10,000
Armenian civilian and military casualties - 500,000
Galveston Bay
02-11-2006, 18:56
other events June 1912

Alliance and Coalition ships make their way into the Atlantic, Pacific, and Indian Oceans to raid each others commerce (ooc losses to be determined at end of August)

In China, Imperial Chinese troops and Japanese troops glare at each other across the border, but neither makes a serious move. The strong Japanese garrison forestalls any hopes Imperial China has of making an offensive, while the Japanese have more urgent matters elsewhere to deal with.

Newspapers world wide report on the wars, and news of Austrian atrocities in Serbia, Turkish atrocities in Armenia and Russian atrocities in Finland make headlines.

(ooc in this age of Yellow Journalism, some are made up, which sadly hides the truth of what is happening in Armenia)
Cylea
02-11-2006, 21:07
OOC: In relation to raiding SPanish commerce, remember that US ships as well as SPanish ships help in convoying SPanish and US shipping to SPain. So there is a chance of Coalition forces attack Spanish shipping that they will sink a US ship.

US ships escort US shipping only, which shouldnt be under attack anyway. US goods on Spanish ships guarded by Spanish ships are in danger though.
Galveston Bay
02-11-2006, 23:24
(By the way, is it possible I could have my ships fly neutral flags? That was a common thing during WWI. Flying neutral ship colors. The British did it quiet often.) .

yes, its possible, but violates Geneva Convention and Hague Treaties and is likely to be counterproductive

By the way, A German cruiser does have the right to stop and inspect an American ship that it suspects is carrying contraband en route to a bellegerent port. And can legally take it into port (with a prize crew) and after a hearing, can indeed seize that ship and its cargo if shown to be a legal target.

Germany could also declare a blockade (using Germany but any warring nation will do) and stop ANY ships headed toward a port or country declared under blockade. Only neutral ships carrying non prohibited cargos (food and medical supplies only for the most part) are then allowed to proceed.

Blockade however must be enforcable under the Hague treaty (have a reasonable chance of working in other words)

Ships and captains shown to be operating under false flags can be sunk on detection (or shot in the case of the captain) under the same rules as espionage

Therefore, its unlikely your average sea captain in the merchant service will go along with flying a false flag
Rodenka
02-11-2006, 23:51
OOC: Couldn't all of that have been done via TG, Sukiaida?
Haneastic
03-11-2006, 00:59
OOC: Couldn't all of that have been done via TG, Sukiaida?

OOC: I agree, also with stuff like atrocities, please check with GB first so he says it would leak and we don't have a bunch of nations acting on false info. And please don't start a running commentary on things GB says to you or discuss the historical viewpoint behind it, which goes out to everyone really (if GB says something, accept it on face and move on, don't make more posts that clog up this thread)
New Dornalia
03-11-2006, 01:21
OOC: ...also with stuff like atrocities, please check with GB first so he says it would leak and we don't have a bunch of nations acting on false info. And please don't start a running commentary on things GB says to you or discuss the historical viewpoint behind it, which goes out to everyone really (if GB says something, accept it on face and move on, don't make more posts that clog up this thread)

Seconded. Seriously, use his e-mail or his TG box to dispute his points, if you must. Otherwise, keep in mind that GB generally knows what he's talkin' about, and be a little more research intensive when you say stuff about the Japanese--being Asian, that bordered on the semi-offensive for me.
Galveston Bay
03-11-2006, 02:11
War at Sea July – August 1912
Pacific
Japanese cruisers sweep the Pacific looking for French, Italian, Spanish, Russian and other allied merchant ships. With no significant Allied warships remaining, it is easy pickings for the Japanese.

OOC
France, Italy and Spain each lose 1 shipping unit (Japan gains 1 transport unit, remainder Allied ships are sunk)

Indian Ocean
German cruisers sweep the seas of Allied shipping as well while the Italian Fleet begins running convoys from the Red Sea to India and Malaysia. By the end of July all of the easy pickings have been taken, and the Germans discover the Italians are running convoys, so hatch a plan. In late August, a German squadron of 8 light cruisers under the command of Rear Admiral Graf Spee sweeps the Arabian Sea and destroys several convoys and their escorts, although not without cost.

OOC
Italian losses: CA Carlo Alberto, Marco Polo, CP Piemonte, Dogali sunk, 1 merchant shipping unit sunk
French losses: 1 merchant shipping unit sunk
German losses: CL Lubeck, Hamburg sunk, CL Hamburg damaged (.5 points needed and repairs at a Japanese naval yard)

Atlantic Ocean
With the announcement of a blockade of Germany by the French, the German Navy sends a small fleet out to sea to smash the French blockading fleet and escort German shipping to North America and the United Kingdom.

In a series of battles at sea, generally far away from land, German warships and French warships clash with each other. German Zeppelins range far out to sea and help the Germans find the Allied ships, while German submarines slip through the Channel undetected and attack Allied ships as they return to port, and even at the entrance of the Straits of Gibraltar. The sacrifices of the Allied and German navies are sufficient however to ensure that neither side suffers the effects of blockade. For now at least.

Losses are heavy
OOC any DN or BC sunk costs 1000 men, all other units are 500 men (in terms of casualties. Damaged ships create 25% of this in terms of casualties)

German losses
Sunk: CP Nymphe, Endise, Arcona
Damaged: DN Kaiser (5 points, 10 months), Prinzregent Luitpold (4 points, 8 months), Kaiserin (2 points, 4 months), CA Prinz Adalbert (2 points, 8 months), Friedrich Karl (1 point, 5 months), CP Ariadne (1 point, 12 months), Amazone (.5 points, 5 months), CL Bremerhaven (1 point, 12 months), Coln (.25 points, 4 months)

French losses:
Sunk: CA Marseilaise, Chanzy, CP Jurien de la Graviere, Chateaurenault, Chasseloup-Laubat, Pascal, Descartes, Protet,
Damaged: BC Tavernier (2 points, 12 months), Fraternitie (1 point, 6 months), CA Gloire (2 points, 12 months), Desaix (1 point, 6 months), 1 destroyer flotilla (2 points, 4 months), CP Alger (1 point, 12 months)
Spanish losses
Sunk: Emperador Carlos V
Sukiaida
03-11-2006, 02:19
TG Galveston. Like right now please. I got a very important one.
Haneastic
03-11-2006, 02:22
Japan sends to following offer to the Italian forces on Quemoy:

I. All Italian forces will immediately surrender

II. Japan will take over all facilites in Quemoy

III. Italian forces will be treated well, according to the Geneva convention
Artitsa
03-11-2006, 04:16
Japan sends to following offer to the Italian forces on Quemoy:

I. All Italian forces will immediately surrender

II. Japan will take over all facilites in Quemoy

III. Italian forces will be treated well, according to the Geneva convention

Italy in response sends the following statement to the People of Mainland of Japan:

I. All Japanese forces will immediatly surrender.

II. Italy will take over all facilities in Mainland Japan

III. Japanese Forces will be treated to Russian Geneva Conventions.


In otherwords, come take it.
Galveston Bay
03-11-2006, 18:14
War at Sea July – August 1912
Pacific
Japanese cruisers sweep the Pacific looking for French, Italian, Spanish, Russian and other allied merchant ships. With no significant Allied warships remaining, it is easy pickings for the Japanese.

Indian Ocean
German cruisers sweep the seas of Allied shipping as well while the Italian Fleet begins running convoys from the Red Sea to India and Malaysia. By the end of July all of the easy pickings have been taken, and the Germans discover the Italians are running convoys, so hatch a plan. In late August, a German squadron of 8 light cruisers under the command of Rear Admiral Graf Spee sweeps the Arabian Sea and destroys several convoys and their escorts, although not without cost.

OOC
Italian losses: CA Carlo Alberto, Marco Polo, CP Piemonte, Dogali sunk, 1 merchant shipping unit sunk
German losses: CL Lubeck, Hamburg sunk, CL Hamburg damaged (.5 points needed and repairs at a Japanese naval yard)

Atlantic Ocean
With the announcement of a blockade of Germany by the French, the German Navy sends a small fleet out to sea to smash the French blockading fleet and escort German shipping to North America and the United Kingdom.

In a series of battles at sea, generally far away from land, German warships and French warships clash with each other. German Zeppelins range far out to sea and help the Germans find the Allied ships, while German submarines slip through the Channel undetected and attack Allied ships as they return to port, and even at the entrance of the Straits of Gibraltar. The sacrifices of the Allied and German navies are sufficient however to ensure that neither side suffers the effects of blockade. For now at least.

Losses are heavy
OOC any DN or BC sunk costs 1000 men, all other units are 500 men (in terms of casualties. Damaged ships create 25% of this in terms of casualties)

German losses
Sunk: CP Nymphe, Endise, Arcona
Damaged: DN Kaiser (5 points, 10 months), Prinzregent Luitpold (4 points, 8 months), Kaiserin (2 points, 4 months), CA Prinz Adalbert (2 points, 8 months), Friedrich Karl (1 point, 5 months), CP Ariadne (1 point, 12 months), Amazone (.5 points, 5 months), CL Bremerhaven (1 point, 12 months), Coln (.25 points, 4 months)

French losses:
Sunk: CA Marseilaise, Chanzy, CP Jurien de la Graviere, Chateaurenault, Chasseloup-Laubat, Pascal, Descartes, Protet,
Damaged: BC Tavernier (2 points, 12 months), Fraternitie (1 point, 6 months), CA Gloire (2 points, 12 months), Desaix (1 point, 6 months), 1 destroyer flotilla (2 points, 4 months), CP Alger (1 point, 12 months)
Spanish losses
Sunk: Emperador Carlos V

Baltic Sea
Russian submarines begin attacking German merchant ships without warning in the Baltic Sea. Initial efforts by the Germans to hunt down these submarines fail (ooc Germany can now start researching ASW warfare)

Global shipping losses May - August 1912
Spain 1 shipping unit
France 2 shipping units
Italy 1 shipping unit
Germany 1 shipping unit

Japan gains 1 transport unit from seized Allied shipping
Sukiaida
03-11-2006, 18:38
Spain outlaws it's ships from trading in the Pacific until the war is finished. Any ship dealing with Pacific products will be siezed by the government. (I'm a dictatorship and I'll try and make this a black market thing. So hopefully I won't be wittled away by a front I'm not even apart of.)

Japan is requested to return Spain's civilian crews. (I know the Geneva Convention has rules on civilians caught during wartime. It at least allows for paroling civilian prisoners.)
Galveston Bay
03-11-2006, 19:39
The Rhineland July / August 1912
The French continue their offensive into Germany and Lorraine, determined to clear German forces from west of the Rhine River.

July – August 1912
The French continue their offensive against Metz, throwing 4 siege artillery brigades, 4 heavy infantry corps and 7 infantry corps into the fray against 4 German corps. The first air battles occur in the West between German fighters and armed French observation planes. The Germans, well dug in, suffer lightly from French artillery fire, and inflict staggering losses on the French, who are forced to bring in 4 corps of static infantry for the final assault. The city finally falls at the end of July, but at a horrific price.

German losses 89,000 casualties, 1 fortress corps, 1 heavy infantry corps, General Faklenhayn
French losses: 227,000 casualties, 1 observation plane unit, 4 static infantry corps, 2 infantry corps, 1 infantry corps reduced to light infantry division,

Battle of Saarbrucken
The Allies then throw the Spanish 1st Army Group into the battle, hoping to take the Saar region and enter the Rhineland. The Spanish attack the defenses of Saarbrucken with 3 heavy infantry corps and 1 infantry corps, supported by 1 artillery brigade. The defenders, 3 corps of German troops, still supported by fighter aircraft, fight just as hard as they did at Metz. Spanish aircraft are driven out of the fight, and the Spanish are easily repulsed. This battle is as much of a bloodbath as Metz, and the Spanish are forced to commit 5 corps of reserve troops to keep the pressure on. The Germans still continue to hold, forcing the commitment of 3 more Spanish infantry corps, and that finally is enough to drive the Germans back.

Spanish losses: 184,000, 5 static infantry corps destroyed
German losses: 100,000, 1 fortress corps, 2 heavy infantry corps destroyed

Hurriedly scrapping up reserves from other parts of the front, the Germans manage to reestablish a line, preventing a Spanish drive further north.

Alsace Lorraine however is finally under French control, and the Germans are facing disaster west of the Rhine. But the cost in Allied blood has been horrific.

Situation Western Front June 30, 1912
German forces and deployment
Army Group West
Aachen – 1 heavy infantry corps
Hex east of Aachen – 1 heavy infantry corps
Karlsruhe – 1 heavy infantry corps, 1 fighter unit
Hex northwest of Zurich – 1 fortress infantry corps, 2 militia corps
Hex southwest of Stuttgart – 2 militia corps
Strasbourg – 1 fortress infantry corps, 2 militia corps, 1 observation plane unit
Frankfurt – 2 infantry corps (regrouped from shattered units)

Spanish forces
Saarbrucken – 3 heavy infantry corps, 1 infantry corps
Metz – 3 infantry corps, 1 siege artillery brigade, 2 observation plane units
hex west of Verdun – 5 cavalry divisions, 1 supply unit,
Vichy - 1 static infantry corps (regrouped from survivors of destroyed units)

French forces
Resource Hex west of Metz (Verdun) - 2 Heavy Infantry Corps, 1 fortress infantry corps,
Hex west of Verdun - 1 HQ,
Hex southwest of Metz-1 Infantry Corps, 1 Fortress Corps, 4 siege artillery brigades, General Joffre
Wooded hex southwest of Strasbourg – 3 infantry corps, 1 light infantry division
Wooded hex northeast of Bern – 2 heavy infantry corps
Two hexes northwest of Berne-1 HQ,
Three hexes northeast of Vichy-1 Fortress Division
Two hexes southwest of Brussels-2 Cavalry Corps
Wooded hex 2 hexes northeast of Vichy – 2 infantry corps
Lille – 4 static infantry corps
Paris - 2 static infantry corps (regrouped from survivors of destroyed units)
Galveston Bay
03-11-2006, 19:41
Japan is requested to return Spain's civilian crews. (I know the Geneva Convention has rules on civilians caught during wartime. It at least allows for paroling civilian prisoners.)

technically correct but depending on Japanese view could be considered legal POWs. Its arguable.
Sukiaida
03-11-2006, 21:01
(That's why I used the word "allowed" not required. Also why I am trying to get US support for it. By the way, which do you consider "static infantry?" Is that my regular infantry or my reserves?)

Journal Entry: August, 1912
Lt. F.F

Went forward today. It seems the generals want us to be batised by fire. A rather odd experience, and we've learned why only a handful of companies in each regiment were given bayonets. They are of no use.

Captain Hernandez knew all of us were green troops. Even our officer corps hasn't been proven in battle. So when I came to him, to sychronize our watches, he pushed a light tan ball onto the ground. He grinned with his large mustache twitching as he stood upon the parapet of our rudimentary jump off trenches. He gave the football a kick as he reached for his rifle, all officers are ordered to carry the 1908 Mauser.

"Men, we'll show these Germans that Spainards are not the defeated rabble of 1898. If a lone football can go forward, so can we." He blew the whistle, ordering the attack. Artillery landed around us. I don't know if it was friendly or enemy fire. I do remember soldiers charging, letting out a yell to relieve the tension of attacking the enemy. Machine guns, rifles, artillery. It all landed into our charge. I saw Captain Hernandez fall from a rifle bullet to the head. Merciful. I had to lead the men forward, giving the ball another kick as we continued to attack.

Our attack stalled outside the enemies defenses. I think the Germans were probably surprised that we fought so tenasiously. But no human flesh could stand that long in the open. We were ordered to retreat back to our parapits. I almost wish the Germans had counter attacked. We still had fight, and would have shredded them. We probably will have to push forward some men in the morning.

(Yep the inspiring football attack was taken by me. The British aren't in this war, so I decided to make it the personal story. But... yeah.)

(Oh by the way, since cavalry is held in such low view. Can you canabalize 3 of the cavalry divisions and have 1 reserve infantry corps? Please? Cavalry is not seen as useful in Spain since the Morocco fiasco.)
Kilani
03-11-2006, 21:35
OOC: YOu can convert them by spending a point and waiting one turn.
Sukiaida
03-11-2006, 21:40
(That tells me what I am going to use my 2 resource points from Morocco for. I was wondering what I would use them for.)
Galveston Bay
03-11-2006, 21:54
static infantry, depending on nationality, are either weak in firepower (have fewer and lighter artillery pieces and automatic weapons) or consist of older less fit troops who do better defending then making long marches. Nations can have static infantry corps formed that way for either reason. They also have fewer supporting arms like engineers, cavalry, signals units etc.

In short, less capable then an infantry corps. A heavy infantry corps has more artillery, of heavier caliber (105s and 155s instead of 75s and 105s), more automatic weapons, more engineers, more signals troops etc.

In short, spending money can upgrade a static unit to infantry then heavy infantry.

Eventually, as the nations fight on and continue to bleed, a larger proportion of their troops are going to be required to be fotress, static or militia infantry, because they will have fewer fit men available who aren't crippled, dead or POWs
Sukiaida
03-11-2006, 22:02
WHat I meant was how do I count it? Are my reserves considered static infantry?

Now this is extremelly important to everyone here. At what time do we reach where we can only have so much heavy and regular infantry. When do we know our country is "Bleed out" as it were. I gather Germany and Russia are getting somewhere close to that mark.
Kilani
03-11-2006, 22:10
WHat I meant was how do I count it? Are my reserves considered static infantry?

Now this is extremelly important to everyone here. At what time do we reach where we can only have so much heavy and regular infantry. When do we know our country is "Bleed out" as it were. I gather Germany and Russia are getting somewhere close to that mark.

Germany isn't yet and neither is Russia (I can call up another 6-10 million).

However, Germany is closer then Russia.

And Sukiaida, please stop cluttering this thread with OOC questions. Take them to the military or main thread.
Galveston Bay
04-11-2006, 07:43
The Balkans July August 1912
The Rumanian Army attempts to link up with Allied armies marching out of Greece, while the Germans and Austrians race south to assist the Bulgarians and Turks. Albania manages to continue to remain neutral.

OOC
On this front, the critical issue was the initiative die roll. The Coalition won, and gets to go first.

IC
Bulgarian and German forces force march down from Rumania to attempt to catch the Rumanians before they can escape. Meanwhile, the Coalition Combined Fleet sorties from Istanbul to cut off escape, and the Russian Black Sea fleet sorties to engage it.

Battle of Sventa Ivan
Russian Fleet
3 BB1 (Potemkin, Evstafi, Ioann Zlatoust, 3 CP1, 1 destroyer flotilla, 1 torpedo boat
flotilla

Coalition fleet
German BB1 Mecklenberg, Kaiser Friedrich III, Kaiser Wilhelm II,
German CA Furst Bismark
Turkish CL MIDILLI , Medjidiye
1 German destroyer flotilla, 1 Turkish destroyer flotilla with Admiral Scheer

In a series of running fights, the Russians manage to drive the Coalition fleet away from the away and get supply ships into Burgas.

Turkish losses: 1 destroyer flotilla sunk
Russian losses: no ships lost

Both sides suffer substantial damage, but nothing that can’t be quickly repaired.

The Bulgarians catch up first, and attack the Rumanian 3rd Army (2 static infantry corps) west of Burgas. The Bulgarians attack with 3 infantry corps, while sending their cavalry around to reinforce their frontier defenses against the Allies. The Rumanians easily rebuff the Bulgarian force, inflicting 23,000 casualties at the cost of 5,000 of their own (1 Bulgarian infantry corps reduced to a light infantry division). Meanwhile Austrian and German forces quickly close the gap and the Austrian Army takes up positions at Skopji and reinforces Sofia.

The Rumanians then break off, leaving 2 static infantry corps to hold Burgas, while the remainder of the Rumanian Army, along with the French 9th Army (3 infantry corps, 2 mountain divisions, 1 light infantry brigade, General Castelnau) and the Greek Army (4 static infantry corps) attack the Bulgarians defending the provinces of Kurdzaly and Smolyan and driving them back in full retreat.
Bulgarian losses: 19,000 men, 1 infantry corps reduced to light infantry division
Greek losses: 5,000 men (no unit losses)
French losses: 15,000 men (1 infantry corps reduced to light infantry division)

The Rumanians link up with the Allies. Meanwhile, the Italians are move up from the Athens area, slowed by poor Greek roads and an overloaded rail system.

The remainder of July sees both sides move up their forces to form a line, and the French assemble their forces to assault European Turkey even as other events occur further south in the Mediterranean.

In August, the French invade Thrace, while the Rumanians, Italians and Greeks form a line to keep the Germans, Bulgarians and Austrians from breaking through to save Turkey.

The Turks are badly outnumbered, and outpowered, and are overwhelmed at Komotini

Turkish losses: 44,000, 2 militia cavalry corps destroyed
French losses: 27,000, 2 mountain divisions destroyed

Further north, the Germans finally reach Burgas, assaulting it with 5 heavy infantry corps and 4 siege artillery units, plus support from 1 observation plane. At the cost of 10,000 casualties they smash 2 Rumanian static infantry corps, and inflict 100,000 Rumanian casualties (including 60,000 POWs) and also retake the wreckage of Burgas (which is no longer a port city until 1913).

Italian forces move up to relieve the Rumanians and to block the Germans while the French continue their full scale assault on the Turks.

The Turks throw everything they have available into Adrianople (ooc hex west of Istanbul) to stop the French (Turks forces: 2 cavalry divisions, 1 light infantry division, 1 garrison unit, 1 light infantry brigade, 1 static infantry corps) but are attacked by the French with 2 infantry corps, 1 light infantry division, 1 light infantry brigade, plus 1 Greek static infantry corps. The Turks are again defeated, and forced to retreat into Istanbul for a final stand at the end of August. Meanwhile, a Greek mountain division overruns the coastal defenses at Gallopolli and in fierce fighting, both sides suffer heavily.

Turkish losses: 47,000 men, 1 garrison unit, 1 coast defense unit
French losses: 10,000 men, 1 light infantry brigade (Legion Estranger)
Greek losses: 10,000 men, 1 mountain division

Military situation Balkans August 31, 1912
Coalition forces
Austrian forces
Skopji: 2 infantry corps, 1 static infantry corps, 1 HQ, General Dankl
Belgrade: 1 police unit
Hex northeast of Skopji: 1 static infantry corps, 1 infantry corps
Sofia: 2 infantry corps, 1 Bulgarian Mountain division
Sarejevo – 1 fortress corps

German Forces
Burgas: 2 heavy infantry corps, 2 siege artillery units
Hex west of Burgas: 1 heavy infantry corps, 1 Bulgarian infantry corps, 2 siege artillery units
Hex 2 hexes west of Bugas: 1 heavy infantry corps, 1 Bulgarian infantry corps
Hex east of Sofia: 2 light infantry divisons, 1 Bulgarian infantry corps,

Other Bulgarian forces
Bucharest: 2 Bulgarian cavalry divisons
Varna: 1 Bulgarian light infantry brigade

Turkish forces in area:
Istanbul: 1 garrison unit, 1 static infantry corps, 1 coast defense fortress, 1 light infantry brigade, 1 light infantry division, 2 cavalry divisions

Allied Forces
Greek forces:
Mountain hex east of Skopji: 2 Greek static infantry corps
Wooded hex northwest of Salonica: 2 Greek static infantry corps,
Mountain hex 2 southeast of Skopji: 2 Greek static infantry corps, ,
Salonika: 1 Greek static infantry corps1 Greek cavalry division

Other Greek Forces in area:
Crete: 1 Greek light infantry brigade

Rumanian Forces
hex east of Bulgarian resource hex – 4 infantry corps, General Averescu



French forces
hex west of Istanbul: 2 infantry corps, 1 mountain division, General Castelnau, 1 Italian supply unit

Italian forces in Greece
hex southwest of Burgas: 3 heavy infantry corps, General Diaz
hex northwest of Bulgarian resource hex: 2 infantry corps, 1 Greek static infantry corps
1 theater supply unit
Bulgarian Resource hex: 1 HQ, 2 cavalry divisions

German / Austrian fleet available for action August (based at Istanbul)
German BB1 Mecklenberg, Kaiser Friedrich III, Kaiser Wilhelm II, Kaiser Wilhem
Austrian BB1 Wien, Budapest,
German CA Furst Bismark
Turkish CL MIDILLI , Medjidiye
1 German destroyer flotilla,
available are Admiral Horthy (Austrian) and Admiral Scheer (German)

semi functional but damaged are the German DNs Nassau, Thuringen, and German CA Prinz Heinrich. They are not fit for sea but can provide fire support at Istanbul itself.
Rodenka
04-11-2006, 08:03
The Rumanian government officials, including His Majesty King Carol I, who fled with the Rumanian army, move to Athens and declare a Government-in-Exile, declaring that any government established in Bucharest without their approval to be a false puppet government.

In addition, General Alexandru Averescu is made Prime Minister of the Government-in-Exile, but will continue for the time being to lead troops in the field.

Prince Ferdinand and his wife Princess Marie of Edinburgh, are dispatched to Britain, and from there, the United States via Italy and France to attempt to raise funds for the Government-in-Exile, along with several heavily armed bodyguards.

General Averescu sends the following dispatch to the Bulgarian Government:

"Sirs,

The Government of Rumania requests the complete and total surrender of all Bulgarian forces currently engaged in the war against Rumania and Her allies. You have been consistently bested in the field by the armies of Rumania, and have failed to achieve one victory so far in this war. There is no reason for your continued resistance. Surrender now, to save the lives of your brave young men.

[signed]
General Alexandru Averescu
Rumanian Army of Liberation, Officer Commanding
Chief of Staff, Rumanian Armed Forces
Prime Minister of Rumania"
Abbassia
04-11-2006, 11:33
The Rumanian government officials, including His Majesty King Carol I, who fled with the Rumanian army, move to Athens and declare a Government-in-Exile, declaring that any government established in Bucharest without their approval to be a false puppet government.

In addition, General Alexandru Averescu is made Prime Minister of the Government-in-Exile, but will continue for the time being to lead troops in the field.

Prince Ferdinand and his wife Princess Marie of Edinburgh, are dispatched to Britain, and from there, the United States via Italy and France to attempt to raise funds for the Government-in-Exile, along with several heavily armed bodyguards.

General Averescu sends the following dispatch to the Bulgarian Government:

"Sirs,

The Government of Rumania requests the complete and total surrender of all Bulgarian forces currently engaged in the war against Rumania and Her allies. You have been consistently bested in the field by the armies of Rumania, and have failed to achieve one victory so far in this war. There is no reason for your continued resistance. Surrender now, to save the lives of your brave young men.

[signed]
General Alexandru Averescu
Rumanian Army of Liberation, Officer Commanding
Chief of Staff, Rumanian Armed Forces
Prime Minister of Rumania"

The offer is as expected declined, however the Bulgarian High command promises that the Romanian 60,000 POWs will be held and treated fairly, in addition to this the Romanians are promised that the Bulgarian army will strive keep order in their precious Bucharest and Ploesti.
Safehaven2
04-11-2006, 21:12
With the fall of both Kiev and Odessa along with all of the Ukraine west of the Dnieper, the independent nation of the Ukraine is declared with its capital in Kiev. One of the Ukraine's first acts is to declare war on Russia and it's allies and sign an alliance with Germany. The Ukraine is also quick to recognize Poland, Finland and the Baltic nations as independent, all of which return the favor.
Kilani
04-11-2006, 21:15
Russia declares the government in Ukraine illegitmate and a puppet of the Germans. Any Ukrainian found in arms against Russia will be considered a traitor and treated as such.

A political cartoon appears showing the Kaiser pushing a Ukrainian peasant holding a stick towards a looming Russian bear while saying, "Go on, fight!"
Sukiaida
04-11-2006, 22:01
Spain writes dozens of cartoons and different articles sent to every country that is neutral to show the strange arrogance that Germany shows. With enemy troops on their soil. WIth Germans starting to show the strain of massive casualties, they choose to put this false state in place. And also continue to recognize a country that has been destroyed with all resistance crushed. It borders on the ludicrous.
[NS]Parthini
04-11-2006, 22:21
Following fierce fighting in the Saar, Britain again points out that any violation of the neutrality of the Lowlands (with special emphasis on Belgium) or any of their colonies (special emphasis on the Dutch East Indies) will result in a strong response by the British Empire.
Cylea
04-11-2006, 22:43
The United States emphasizes its unease at any expansion of the war without provocation. As such, Washington endorses British guarantees of the Low Countries and warns that any belligerents who violate this neutrality may suffer sanctions and other measures from the US...
Kilani
04-11-2006, 23:41
BRAVE RUMANIANS ESCAPE GERMAN TRAP!

Russian supply ships break through to Burgas!

Valiant rearguard action results in total destruction of the city!

Turks driven back into Constantinople!

Spanish and French troops sieze Metz and Saarbucken!

Victory in the West!
Haneastic
04-11-2006, 23:56
Japan recognizes the Republic of Ukraine
Ottoman Khaif
05-11-2006, 01:32
Declaration of Jihad (Defensive)

Caliph Abdülhamid II here by declares a state of jihad urging all Muslims to resist Allied encroachment on their lands. Drive out the western crusaders from the lands of Al Muslimeen, fight to death, do not fall back one step.

In Secret

The Ottoman Government and key members of the General Staff are moved by rail to Ankara for their own protection.
Malkyer
05-11-2006, 06:18
In many French papers, a cartoon is printed showing a trio of Spanish, French, and Italian soldiers helping a woman labeled "Alsace-Lorraine" to her feet as the silhouettes of German soldiers flee into the distance. She has obviously been accosted, and the caption reads, "My heros!"

Another paper prints a cartoon showing a group of French, Greek, Rumanian, Italian, and Russian knights locked in combat with a German, Austrian, and Bulgarian knight, while around the knees of the Allies runs a small Turk wearing a turban and wielding a scimitar, while shouting "Jihad upon you! You will fall before Allah's wrath!"

A third cartoon depicts a pair of Legionnaires and a loyal Montangard soldier standing back-to-back, bayonets fixed, before a pile of dead Siamese troops while Siamese troops stand far back and the Siamese officer demands their surrender. The caption reads: "Désolé, mon ami, mais vous n'avez pas entendu parler de Camarón?"

In news other than cartoons, the French government has promoted General Joseph Joffre, in light of his great strategic successes, to the rank of Marshal of France, and has named him the Supreme Allied Commander of the Western Front. France also pushes for the Rumanian General Averescu to be placed in charge of the Greek corps in the Balkans.

OOC: "I am sorry, friend, but have you not heard of Camarón?"
Kilani
05-11-2006, 06:50
In major Russian newspapers, a cartoon appears. In it a bored looking Russian holds a small, struggling Turk at arm's length while it crys "Death to you, infidel!"

In another, a disgruntled looking German soldier is climbing over a wall (labeled "Ukraine") only to find himself facing another labeled "Dneiper".

In yet a third, a Rumanian boxer is nochalantly dusting himself off as a suprised Bulgarian sits on the ground, trying to staunch the bleeding from his nose.
Malkyer
05-11-2006, 07:50
Meanwhile, aid to the Vietnamese and Cambodian people is very large, providing not only level I social services but also infrastruture upgrades (1.5 points for the approximately 10 million people.)

The French Governor-General of Indochina, currently in Hanoi, issues a statement pointing out the "hollow promises" and "false assistances" of the invading Siamese, noting that France had completed improvements to Indochinese infrastructure in 1909. According to the Governor-General, Siam is merely greasing the palms of local thugs, as barbarism and back-stabbing have replaced the rule of law and justice that existed under the French.
Middle Snu
05-11-2006, 09:11
OOC: My mistake. I didn't realize that Indochina already had infrastructure improvements. Assume that that 1.5 points went instead to Level II social services and small payments to the families of those Vietnamese Nationalists who were slaughtered in the fight to take Saigon.

IC: Siam responds to the Governor-General's accusations by saying that it has only liberated the Vietnamese people from the oppression that they were subjected to under French reign.
Haneastic
05-11-2006, 17:26
OOC: while we're all on the subject on cartoons
IC:

Japan portrays several of their own cartoons

Wild and crazed French legionaires being driven back by Siamese troops while crowds of Indochinese civilians cheer the Siamese

Fearful French businessmen selling Pacific possesions to grinning American businessmen

The Japanese Tiger cutting the Russian bear in half, while the Imperial Chinese Dragon cowers in the corner

A massive Japanese fleet, sailing away from dozens of sinking Allied ships
Kilani
05-11-2006, 18:12
OOC: while we're all on the subject on cartoons
IC:

Japan portrays several of their own cartoons

Wild and crazed French legionaires being driven back by Siamese troops while crowds of Indochinese civilians cheer the Siamese

Fearful French businessmen selling Pacific possesions to grinning American businessmen

The Japanese Tiger cutting the Russian bear in half, while the Imperial Chinese Dragon cowers in the corner

A massive Japanese fleet, sailing away from dozens of sinking Allied ships

In retaliation, another cartoon appers in major Russian newspapers:

A line of Japanese marines, looking somewhat disconcerted, stand by disembarkment ramp. In the distance the fortress of Valdivistok can be seen, spouting machine gunand cannon fire. Several Japanese ships are sinking.

A Japanese officer stands calmly next to the ramp with aclipboard. He calls out, "Next!"


The second shows a tiger taking a bite out of the bear's tail and the bears turns it's head to glare at the tiger. The caption reads: "Bitten off more then you can chew?"
New Dracora
05-11-2006, 18:29
Spain writes dozens of cartoons and different articles sent to every country that is neutral to show the strange arrogance that Germany shows. With enemy troops on their soil. WIth Germans starting to show the strain of massive casualties, they choose to put this false state in place. And also continue to recognize a country that has been destroyed with all resistance crushed. It borders on the ludicrous.

*The arrival of spanish cartoons and news articles in non-spanish speaking Australia inspires the editor of the Sydney Morning Herald to sponsor a light-hearted contest. Numerous satirical cartoons are collected from foreign newspapers around the globe and are posted weekly in the Herald, along with promises of token rewards to any readers who can come up with amusing captions. The contest proves to be popular and results in much sport and hilarity at the expense of those portrayed.*
Safehaven2
05-11-2006, 19:36
OOC: So....what month are we in right now? Has August been fully gamed out and are September orders due?
Kilani
05-11-2006, 19:59
OOC: So....what month are we in right now? Has August been fully gamed out and are September orders due?

OOC: Still July-August. GB has been busy and is going to finish gaming out the rest today (we hope).
Sukiaida
05-11-2006, 22:49
OOC: Yeah AUgust is not done yet. We've done July. Hopefully he'll have time today as Kilani said.

IC: Spanish cartoonist note that alot of Australian newspapers seem to be active after Spanish cartoons are sent there. A few of the newspapers with better government contacts actually get a few of the Australian newspapers.
What an interesting show.
Whittlesfield
05-11-2006, 23:01
Greece invites Spanish journalists over to see the heroic actions of Alliance troops trying to free Rumania and Serbia.
Sukiaida
05-11-2006, 23:02
Spanish journalists accept, though less than might be accepted, as it seems SPain's attention has turned towards something else for the moment.

OOC: I don't have a king. He got assasinated. I have an elderly Queen, with a Military Dictatorship in place. WIth some local republican voting.
Whittlesfield
05-11-2006, 23:06
OOC - Suki, who is your King?
Rodenka
05-11-2006, 23:47
General Averescu is promoted to General of the Army of Romania, and also given the title Marshal of Romania.
Galveston Bay
06-11-2006, 06:12
Assault on an Empire
The Near and Mideast, July / August 1912

While the Turks are dealing with problems near Istanbul, and their fleet is defending its home waters, the way is open for an assault on Lebanon by the Allies.

A fleet consisting of predreadnoughts, cruisers and escorts and numerous transports appears without warning off the coast of Beriut, which is practically undefended. French marines and LE light infantry pour ashore and overwhelm the modest defenses with few casualties. Taking the port intact, and making a secondary landing at Haifa (Palestine) which takes the port as well, the Allies have amble facilities to support a large army.

Which begins pouring in by the third week of July. Turkish mobile forces in the area, based in Amman, launch a desperate counteroffensive with the single cavalry corps in the area and are shattered in the valleys of Lebanon by the LE.

Turkish losses: 20,000 casualties, 1 militia cavalry corps
French losses: 5,000 casualties, 1 LE light infantry brigade

By early August, the French have landed 3 infantry corps, 2 cavalry corps and 1 HQ, and while cavalry sweeps north to take the port of Aleppo, supported by another marine landing, the rest of the army marches on Damascus, which falls after a short but bitter fight as Turkish garrison troops and Syrian untrained militia fight a desperate battle against what they view as a 20th Century version of the Crusades.

Turkish losses: 120,000 casualties including 70,000 POWs, 2 militia corps, 1 garrison division
French losses: 30,000 casualties, 1 infantry corps (Algerian)

With Damascus under Allied control, the garrisons in Palestine and Transjordan are now cut off from reinforcements. French cavalry takes Amman, while infantry drives into the Holy Land. Turkish troops attempt to make a stand at Megiddo (the key pass leading to Jerusalem, also known as Armageddon) but are defeated and the remaining forces in the Holy Land surrender on August 28.

Turkish losses: 170,000, 3 militia infantry corps, 1 garrison division
French losses: 30,000, 1 infantry corps (Algerian)

OOC
By the end of August France controls Lebanon, Transjordan, Syria and Palestine on the WIF map. It also controls the port of Alexandretta and the historic city of Antioch.

Meanwhile, to the east, the Allies send Chinese infantry, and Russian headquarters and cavalry units into Persia (Russian client state), and in late July cross the border into the Ottoman Empire. Russian cavalry deals with the outnumbered garrison at Mosul (4 Russian cavalry corps versus 1 Turkish militia cavalry corps) and routes it, and then drives into Mosul, cheered on by the Kurdish inhabitants who form a militia corps to support the Russian liberation of their homes. Meanwhile, 6 Chinese light infantry divisions drive on Baghdad, capturing it after a costly battle, and then drive on Basra, which falls after another fight on August 29. As August comes to an end Russian and French cavalry patrols are shaking hands with each other in the desert between Amman and Baghdad.

Turkish losses: 220,000, 1 garrison unit, 1 cavalry corps, 3 militia infantry corps
Chinese losses: 45,000, 2 light infantry divisions
Russian losses: 20,000 1 cavalry corps

OOC
Russian forces hold all of Iraq on WIF map

Allied forces
Mosul: 1 Russian cavalry corps
Baghdad: 1 Russian cavalry corps, 1 HQ
Basra: 1 Russian cavalry corps, 4 Chinese light infantry divisions
Alexandretta: 1 French marine brigade
Amman: 1 French cavalry corps
Jerusalem: 1 French infantry corps
Damascus: 1 French cavalry corps, 1 HQ
Haifa: 1 French marine brigade
Galveston Bay
06-11-2006, 06:50
Southeast Asia July – August 1912
Facing destruction, the French decide to withdraw from Hanoi and retreat into Yunnan in hopes the Yunnan will support them. However, as the orders are being given to retreat, a massive uprising occurs, delaying the pull out as French units are forced to fight to survive. That fight is still underway when the Siamese make their final assault and the city and the French Empire in Indochina fall on July 21. The Foreign Legion makes a run for the border though, but is closely pursued even as it has to fight its way through Vietnamese Nationalist militia, and makes a final stand at Lang Son, where it is overrun and the survivors forced to surrender on August 10.

French losses: 35,000 including 10,000 POW
Vietnamese Nationalist Militia losses: 40,000, 2 militia units
Civilian casualties: 50,000
Siamese losses: 20,000, 2 light infantry divisions

Forces in Indochina August 30
Vietnamese militia
Hanoi: 1 corps
Saigon: 1 corps
Hue: 1 corps
Siamese forces in Hanoi: 1 static infantry corps, 2 infantry corps, 2 light infantry divisions

On August 12, when it becomes clear that the French Empire in Indochina has been destroyed, the government of Yunnan declares for the KMT and Republic of China and interns all French and Allied personnel (having already done so to all Coalition citizens at the start of the war). These people are then handed over to the Nationalist Government to deal with.

Meanwhile, the situation in Sichuan worsens for its role in the Republic of China. Considerable disapproval over the proposed treaty with Japan exists in the halls of government and careful arrangements are made.

On August 23, the government of Sichuan secedes from the Republic of China, and takes with it 3 garrison units and 1 cavalry division (which starts marching for home)
Middle Snu
06-11-2006, 07:22
Siam immediately invites all Vietnamese Militia to join the Army of Siam (which includes Vietnam). The main inducement, of course, is a regular wage for the anti-French insurgents, who before now. The Emperor of Vietnam makes a series of speeches in Vietnamese cities on the continued French threat and the necessity of remaining part of Siam, as well as continued praise of the Siamese and Vietnamese troops who liberated Hanoi. Meanwhile, the King of Siam spends significant time in Vietnam as well, assuring Vietnamese leaders that this new empire will be a partnership, not a Siamese domination of Vietnam.

The most promising leaders of the Vietnamese Militia are invited to come to Siamese Military Academies for formal training in the arts of war, where they will be paid a large stipend.

Siamese reserve troops are also demobilized.

The French POWs are taken to work camps in Saigon, Bangkok, Phnom Penh, and Hanoi, where they are treated more than fairly but made to work in the fields like any Siamese peasant.
Galveston Bay
06-11-2006, 07:37
July – August Northeast Asia
Japanese forces overrun northern Sakhalin Island, and also land at the Russian Siberian ports and in Kamchatka against light resistance.

Further south, Imperial Chinese forces and Japanese forces are in contact, but fighting remains at the skirmish level as neither side is willing to make a major attack against the other just yet. Attrition is heavy however and the Japanese Army soon finds it worrisome.

In Siberia, the Japanese continue their advance on Mongolia and Chita. The vast distances are the biggest problem, along with the at times difficult terrain. The end of August sees the Japanese finally reaching the Shilka River opposite of Chita, and although the motorized infantry has reached the area, the rest of the 1st Army is still far behind. Japanese forces are still a long way from Ulan Bator, but have entered Mongolia.

Situation August 30, 1912
Russian forces:
Chita: 2 infantry corps,
Hex southwest of Chita: 1 cavalry corps
Hex east of Chita: 1 cavalry corps
Imperial Chinese Forces
Ulan Bator: 2 static infantry corps
Resource hex east of Peking: 3 static infantry corps, 4 light infantry divisions
Tiayun: 2 infantry corps, 4 light infantry divisions
Tsingtao: 2 static infantry corps
Tsinan: 1 static infantry corps, 2 light infantry divisions

Losses:
Russian forces; 10,000 (attrition and illness, and various small garrisons mopped up)
Imperial Chinese forces: 100,000 (attrition), 2 militia corps broken up for replacements


Japanese forces:
Peking: 4 fortress infantry corps
Hex southeast of Peking: 2 fortress infantry corps, 1 CSDG infantry corps
Tientsin: 2 garrison unit, 4 infantry corps
Hex northwest of Peking: 2 infantry corps
Port Arthur: 1 garrison unit
Mukden: 1 garrison unit
Harbin: 1 garrison unit
2 hexes east of Ulan Bator: 3 heavy infantry corps, 1 infantry corps, 1 HQ
2 hexes northeast of Manchurian fist hex: 1 supply unit, 1 cavalry division
Manchurian fist hex: 1 supply unit, 1 cavalry division
Vladivostok: 1 garrison unit
Seoul: 1 garrison unit
Khaborovsk: 1 garrison unit
Blagovveshchenk: 1 garrison unit
(OOC supply range is halved on the Asian map as hexes are twice as big)
Sakkalin: 1 infantry corps
Kamchatka: 1 marine brigade
Nicolyvesk: 1 light infantry division

hex southeast of Chita: 10 motorized infantry brigades, 1 motorized HQ
resource hex 2 hexes southeast of Chita: 3 heavy infantry corps, 2 artillery corps, 3 siege artillery brigades, 1 observation aircraft unit, 1 supply unit, 1 motorized HQ
mountain hex 2 hexes northwest of Harbin: 1 supply unit, 1 infantry corps

Japanese losses: 80,000 casualties, 2 static infantry corps are broken up to provide replacements

Whereabouts of Japanese fleet is unknown to Allied intelligence, but presumably spread across the Pacific, or in port or blockading Imperial China.
Ottoman Khaif
06-11-2006, 08:00
In Ankara, Turkey, Ottoman Empire(what remains of it)

A group of disillusion officers by the name of Young Turks agree it is time to stage a coup in the efforts of saving their nation from certain death, they march themselves into the Sultan makeshift command center and demanded that he will step down in light of recent events, which he did after realizing it would be more wise not to fight them when his nation needed unity the most. They quickly make the Sultan Brother Mehmed V, the Sultan...but just a simple figurehead, the real power laid in the hands of "The Three Pashas", who were the Ottoman minister of the interior: Grand Vizier, Mehmed Talat Pasha the minister of war, Ismail Enver, and the minister of the Navy, Ahmed Djemal.
Galveston Bay
06-11-2006, 19:55
Eastern and Southern Fronts July – August 1912
Both sides continue to remain on the defensive, with only skirmishes and patrols carried out.

Turkish losses: 11,000, 1 light infantry division broken up to provide replacements
Russian casualties Southern Front: 6,000 (no unit losses)
Russian casualties Eastern Front: 40,000 (1 static infantry corps disbanded to provide replacements)
German casualties: Eastern Front: 15,000 (no unit losses)
Polish casualties: 3,000 (no unit losses)
Balt casualties: 2,000 (no unit losses)

Deployments end of August 1912

Arctic Front
Murmansk 1 German Mountain division
Petsamo 1 Finnish Mountain division
Russians have 1 static corps to defend the vital rail junction, and another to Archengel to firm up this front.
Helsinki: 1 Russian static infantry corps

German Army Group B
Talinn – 2 Baltic infantry corps, 1 observation aircraft wings, 1 HQ,
2 hexes southeast of Helsinki – 1 German heavy infantry corps, 1 Polish heavy infantry corps,
2 hexes west of Pskov – 1 German heavy infantry corps, 1 Polish heavy infantry corps,
2 hexes east of Riga – 1 German heavy infantry corps, 1 Polish heavy infantry corps,
Riga – 1 German heavy infantry corps, 1 observation plane unit

German Army Group C
hex 3 hexes northeast of Vilna – 2 German heavy infantry corps
Hex 2 hexes west of Vitbsk – 2 German heavy infantry corps
Hex 2 hexes northeast of Minsk – 2 German heavy infantry corps
hex 2 hexes southwest of Vitbsk – 2 German heavy infantry corps,
Hex 2 hexes east of Minsk – 2 German heavy infantry corps
Minsk – 1 German HQ, 1 observation plane unit

Russian Baltic Front
Petrograd – 3 heavy infantry corps, 1 coast defense unit, 1 fortress infantry corps, 1 observation aircraft wing
forest hex 2 hexes south Vyborg – 2 heavy infantry corps,
swamp hex west of Pskov -- 1 heavy infantry corps, 1 static infantry corps
Pskov – 1 HQ, 2 heavy infantry corps, 1 militia cavalry corps, 1 observation aircraft wing
Southwest of Pskov – 1 infantry corps, 2 static infantry corps,

Russian Central Front
Wooded hex 3 hexes east of Minsk – 2 static infantry corps,
wooded hex 2 hexes south of Vitbsk – 2 static infantry corps,
Hex east of Vitbsk – 1 HQ, 1 observation plane unit
wooded hex west of Vitbsk – 1 infantry corps, 2 static infantry corps, 1 militia cavalry corps

Russian Ukraine front end of May
Forest hex 2 hexes north Kiev – 1 static infantry corps,
Hex 2 hexes west of Kursk – 1 HQ unit
Hex northeast of Kiev – 2 static infantry corps, 2 observation aircraft units
Hex east of Kiev –2 static infantry corps,
Hex 2 hexes east of Kiev – 1 static infantry corps, 1 militia cavalry corps
Hex 2 hexes west of Kharkov – 1 static infantry corps, 1 militia cavalry corps
Kharkov
hex northeast of Dnepopetrovsk – 2 militia cavalry corps
hex east of Dnepopetrovsk – 2 static infantry corps,
Hex – 1 militia corps, 1 static infantry corps
Hex – 1 militia corps, 1 static infantry corps
Hex – 1 militia cavalry corps,

German Army Group G
2 hexes southwest of Minsk – 1 Polish static infantry corps
3 hexes southwest of Minsk – 1 Polish static infantry corps
4 hexes southwest of Minsk – 1 Polish infantry corps
hex southwest of Kiev - 1 HQ,
Kiev – 2 heavy infantry corps, 2 observation plane units,
hex southeast of Kiev – 2 heavy infantry corps, Crown Prince
hex 2 hexes northwest of Dnepetrovsk - 1 heavy infantry corps

German Army Group D
Wooded hex northwest of Dnepopetrovsk- 1 heavy infantry corps,
Dnepopetrovsk – 2 heavy infantry corps, 1 observation plane unit,
Hex west of Dnepopetrovsk – 1 heavy infantry corps
Hex southeast of Ukraine resource hex – 1 heavy infantry corps
Nikolayev – 1 heavy infantry corps
Ukraine resource hex – 1 HQ
Odessa – 1 HQ
4 hexes west of Lvov – 1 theater supply unit, 1 Austrian cavalry corps

German Reserves
Warsaw: 1 replacement corps
Brest Litovsk: 3 German heavy infantry corps, 1 motorized infantry brigade

Special note: no more Baltic units can be built except replacement units (1 only)

Southern Front June 1912
Alliance and Turkish forces readjust their lines to prepare for further operations next month. Armenian resistance is crushed by a Turkish offensive that also results in numerous and extensive atrocities against Armenian civilians. Half the population flees into Russia, but nearly 500,000 are killed or injured.

Turkish 2nd Army Group
4 hexes west of Trabzon – 1 infantry corps, 1 HQ unit,1 Observation planes unit
hex southeast of Batumi -3 light infantry divisions
Kars(Kars is not pictured on map, but is hex located 5 hexes east of Trabzon – 1 fortress division, 1 fortress, 1 Observation plane unit
2 hexes east of Trabzon - 2 infantry corps
2 hexes southeast of Batumi – 1 supply unit, 2 light infantry divisions

other Turkish forces
Regional Garrisons
Garrison units at Mecca, Medina, (deployed at each city hex) ,

Russian Southern Front
Tiflis – 2 Russian mountain division, General Yudenich, 1 HQ, 1 cavalry corps
Batumi - 1 static infantry corps
Hex east of Batumi - 1 static infantry corps,
Hex 2 hexes east of Batumi – 1 static infantry corps, 1 light infantry division,
Hex labeled 21 - 1 static infantry corps,

Black Sea fleet (based at Sevastapol)
3 BB1, 3 CP1, 1 destroyer flotilla, 1 torpedo boat
flotilla
1 fortress unit and 1 fortress at Sevastapol + 3 light infantry brigades
Galveston Bay
06-11-2006, 19:57
Alpine Front
This area, where the Italian border meets the borders of Austria and Germany remains quiet as neither side is interested in campaigning aggressively in the mountains.

German forces
2 hexes east of Zurich: 1 fortress infantry corps (stripped from Konigsburg)
hex southeast of Munich: 2 mountain divisions
Austrian forces
Trieste: 1 fortress corps, 2 static infantry corps
Hex northeast of Trieste: 1 fortress corps, 1 infantry corps
Sarejevo: 1 fortress corps

Austrian Adriatic Fleet:
BB1 Erzherzog Karl, Erzherzog Friedrich
CL Erzherzog Franz Ferdinand, Radetzky, Zrinyi
CA Sankt Georg, Kaiser Karl IV, KK Maria Teresa
CP KF Joseph I, K Elizabeth, Zenta
1 destroyer flotilla

(Italian minelaying has temporarily sealed this fleet in port)

Italian Forces
Venice: 1 fortress corps, 1 HQ
Hex east of Trieste: 1 fortress corps, 2 static infantry corps
Hex northeast of Trieste: 3 static infantry corps
2 hexes northeast of Milan: 2 static infantry corps

Italian, German and Austrian losses are minimal, about 2,000 each to attrition
Galveston Bay
06-11-2006, 19:59
September 1912
Its a very balmy September, with the weather clear in all theaters of war.

October 1912
In October the rains begin in the Arctic weather zone, bringing mud to that part of the world and operations to an effective halt.

(ooc: time for September / October orders)
Artitsa
06-11-2006, 21:14
Wow, thats crazy! I went from having 7 fortress corps in the alps to 2!
Galveston Bay
06-11-2006, 21:50
Wow, thats crazy! I went from having 7 fortress corps in the alps to 2!

ooc
I specifically asked you 5 days ago for an order of battle, not receiving one, I used an earlier one that you provided and went on what seemed likely. If a corrected OB is provided, I will update
Kilani
07-11-2006, 00:40
Report on the Disposition of the Chinese Soldier


Sirs,

It was with trepidation that I first recieved this assignment, that is the role of liason officer between or forces and the Imperial Chinese troops generously donated to us by the Emperor's government. I expected them to be much like other Asian or colonial auxiliaries: lazy, slothful and with a lack of fighting spirit. However, to my pleasant suprise upon arriving at their positions along the Baltic Sea, during a time when a German assault upon our capital of Petrograd seemed imminent, I found that they were busily employing themselves in the production of breastworks and setting up outposts.

They had dug themselves in nicely and, although they lacked the amount of artillery usual to a European unit, they had an abundance of small-arms, machine guns and other weapons. During drill they responded well to command and morale was high. Their esprit d'corps was phenomenal.

In addition, they braved the elements and the especially harsh winter of 1911 with a solidness normall only expected of our own men or Siberians (I expect it is because they too suffer from harsh winters in their home country).

It was then that we were transferred to the Southern Front. I was wondering how well they would hold under combat conditions. My fears proved groundless. They preformed very well under fire, acting aggressively and moving forward despite losses. They responded extremely well to orders from their officers and our liasons.

They are superb wilderness fighters and are fierce in close terrain.

So, in review the Chinese fighting man, when given equal training and when well-lead by either native or European officers, are excellent in combat, quick to obey orders and able to labor under harsh conditions, despite the size differences.

It is my fervent hope that you will accept my recommendation that the Chinese fighting men under our command be given the highest possible honors and that we hasten to aid our esteemed ally in the East.

[signed]
General Aleksei Maksimovich Kaledin
Middle Eastern Sector, Officer Commanding
Baghdad
Sukiaida
07-11-2006, 03:06
Spain denounces Turkish barbarism towards the Armenians, and states that this is a firm example and definitive proof of the COalition's barbaric savageness towards what is right and civilized.

OOC: I dont know if you looked back, but I don't have a king at this moment nor shall I ever have one. The elderly queen is all that the Spanish noble family has left.
Galveston Bay
07-11-2006, 04:26
News leaks out of the Balkans of widespread and deliberate atrocities by Austrian occupation forces in Serbia. Similar stories come out of Armenia, still under Turkish control. These are followed by stories of Russian atrocities in Finland, and Russian submarines sinking unarmed German merchant shipping without warning in the Baltic Sea, contrary to international law.

Meanwhile, in September, British and American banks raise their interest rates significantly on loans to any nation involved in the war. Now only 1 point is received for every 1.5 points loaned.
Kilani
07-11-2006, 06:02
The Russian government responds by publishing warnings in German and other Baltic nation's newsapers (i.e Denmark, Sweden and Norway) cautioning that any German ships suspected of carrying war material are liable to be sunk without warning.

It also states that Russia is doing this to save the lives of its sailors, as attacking surfaced leaves them vulnerable to enemy ships and they could be rammed while surfacing.

In response to the allegations of atrocities, Russia produces the transcripts of the trials of the fifty Finnish officers killed, showing that they were legally convicted by a military tribunal of desertion in the face of the enemy and treason and states that Russia was within its rights to execute them.

Furthermore, it points out, Russia is not committing widespread atrocities, unlike the Ottomans and Austrians. In fact, the average Finn is not subject to reprisals and it is also pointed out that Russia, which already has a stretched food supply, is still providing the Finns with the neccessary food imports, just like the rest of the nation and that they continue to recieve the social services the rest of the nation does.

The Russians also bring forward Armenian refugees to testify to the atrocities currently being committed in Armenia against the native peoples.
Haneastic
08-11-2006, 02:11
Coalition Casualty Figures:
Germany: 1,941,500
Austria-Hungary: 579,000
Ottoman Empire: 914,000
Japan: 333,000
Bulgaria: 68,000
Poland: 16,000
Finland: 100,000
Baltic: 45,000
Siam: 84,000
Total: 4,080,000

Allied to come shortly, this should be accurate, a few naval battles in which no casualties were ommitted, includes Dead, wounded, POW's
Haneastic
08-11-2006, 02:16
Allied Casualty Figures:
Russian: 3,472,000
French: 909,000 (822,000 Metropolitan)
Italy: 178,500
Spain: 399,000
Imperial China: 293,000
Rumanian: 270,000
Serbian 430,000 (which I belive is over 10% of their population)
Greek: 280,500
Total: 6,231,000
Galveston Bay
08-11-2006, 02:58
War at Sea (part 1) September – October 1912

Pacific Ocean
Japanese forces secure the Spratley Islands, and continue to raid Allied shipping. However, Allied shipping losses are minor as they have retreated from the Pacific and Indian Oceans.

Indian Ocean
Japanese and Siamese forces land and take the practically undefended French India in late September, including the port of Pondicherry, giving them a jump of point for operations even further south. In October, the Japanese land forces at Diego Suarez (Madagascar) and also seize the undefended Comoros Islands, as well as Reunion Island.

Only the garrison on Madagascar is large enough to mount a defense, and it is overwhelmed by a Siamese Infantry corps, Japanese marine brigade and Siamese light infantry division.

French casualties: 24,000 (including 22,000 POWs)
Japanese casualties: a few dozen
Siamese casualties: 1,000 (no unit losses)

South Atlantic and Africa
German forces evacuate East Africa and the entire garrison moves to German Southwest Africa, along with the German Pacific and Indian Ocean squadrons. The German light cruisers then begin raiding Allied shipping in the South and Central Atlantic.

German forces Southwest Africa October 1912
1 garrison unit, 9 light infantry brigades
German forces German Cameron
1 garrison unit
German South Atlantic Fleet (based at Walvis Bay)
Admiral Graf Spee
CL Leipzig, Emden, Dresden, Karlsruhe, Straussburg, Stralsund, Kolberg, Stettin, Stuttgart, Berlin, Munchen, Munchen, Breslau, Nurnburg, 1 shipping unit (functioning as supply ships) 2 ocean liner unit (functioning as supply ships),
1 gunboat flotilla (In Pacific still at Truk)

Under repair in Japan
CL Hamburg
Malkyer
08-11-2006, 03:33
OOC: GB, you have an urgent email concerning a change in French ORBAT. Sorry for the short notice.

IC: French propagandists work diligently to make the loss of France's Indian Ocean possessions seem less important--a purely political move, as both the French Government and Allied High Command expected their loss at some point during the war, and are fully confident of retaking them by war's end.
Middle Snu
08-11-2006, 03:40
The Siamese Flag goes up over Siamese India. In Madagascar, the country is divided into two: North Madagascar, which is Japanese, and South Madagascar, which is Siamese. All other Indian Ocean territories become Japanese.

(OOC: Discussed over Chatzy)
Bazalonia
08-11-2006, 03:42
As news of atrocities reaches the nations of Scandinavia, the Scandinavian Regional Council is convened to express Scandinavia's collective dismay at recent events in the world:

"We have heard of terrible atrocities being afflicted upon areas under the control of occupying forces on both sides in this Great War, specifically verified atrocities in Finland, Serbia and Armenia. Adding to this, the Kingdom of Russia has recently undertaken the purposeful targeting of unarmed merchant shipping in contravention of the Rules of Prize Warfare, striking without warning or verification. We find all such actions abhorrent to the greatest degree and strongly condemn these actions, whether by Coalition or Allied forces. We call upon all nations to immediately cease and desist any and all such atrocities in the name of humanity itself. All such actions are inherently unbecoming of civilized nations and so we implore all civilized nations to reject such barbaric and unnecessary actions and cease pursuing them in an attempt to gain what amounts to an immoral advantage over other belligerents.

Furthermore, in relation to the recent actions against German merchant shipping by Russian naval elements, actions that were thought inconceivable for a civilized power, the Scandinavian Regional Council makes this warning to both Russia and Germany, should the Germans choose to also pursue this immoral course of action: We shall hold the aggressor nation strictly accountable for any loss of Swedish, Norwegian, or Danish life or destruction of shipping. Our neutrality in this conflict is to be respected by both sides."
Kilani
08-11-2006, 03:45
The Scandics are assured that Russian submarines have the strictest orders to target only German shipping and that any sinking of any neutral vessels would be entirely accidental and without malice.
Galveston Bay
08-11-2006, 04:19
Battle of the Rhineland
The Germans evacuate everything they can of value from the Rhineland and prepare to fight to the last. Meanwhile, their militia units are upgraded to static infantry corps as they have earned sufficient combat experience to be more capable.

In September, the Spanish attack toward Cologne, while the French launch a massive attack against Strasbourg.

Battle of Strasbourg September 1912
The Germans defend with 1 militia corps (new), 2 static corps and 1 fortress corps against a French attack force of that eventually reaches 21 infantry corps of all types, plus 2 siege artillery units, 1 observation plane and General Joffre. The Germans commit their fighters to this sector, and the fighting is bloody.

French losses: 139,000 casualties, 1 observation plane unit, 3 heavy infantry corps, 1 infanty corps,
German losses: 60,000 casualties, 1 fortress corps, 1 militia corps,

Battle of Aachen September 1912
Meanwhile, the Spanish attempt to drive north and cut off Aachen and 3 German heavy infantry corps and General Von Hutier meet an attack by the Spanish Army of 8 infantry corps and 2 siege gun units, along with General Terreros.

The Germans are well entrenched and inflict staggering losses on the Spanish, and repel assault after assault until the Spanish switch their attack and attack Aachen directly (which is defended by a mere fortress corps). Aachen falls, but the Spanish are too exhausted to continue the offensive.

German losses: 57,000 casualties, 1 fortress corps, 1 heavy infantry corps reduced to light division
Spanish losses: 212,000 casualties, 3 heavy infantry corps, 3 infantry corps

Although costly, the two battles have however enable the Italians to reach the front, and they relieve the mauled Spanish, along with French reserves, and threaten to attack east of Aachen again. The Germans however fall back to Cologne.

Battle of Cologne
The French and Italians attack 2 German heavy infantry corps and Genera Von Hutier plus 1 militia corps with 3 Italian and 5 French corps, plus 4 siege guns. Again the fighting is desperate, and another German city is left in ruins, but at a horrific cost.

German losses: 70,000 casualties, 1 heavy infantry corps destroyed, 1 militia corps destroyed
Italian losses: 35,000 casualties, 1 infantry corps destroyed
French losses: 89,000 casualties, 2 infantry corps destroyed, 1 ammunition stockpile used

At this point further offensives end as both sides are fought out.

Addition attrition further south as patrol actions occur along the Rhine claims another 20,000 German (1 militia unit destroyed) and 20,000 French casualties (1 French light infantry division destroyed)

German forces October 31, 1912
Dusseldorf – 1 infantry corps, General Von Hutier
Hex southeast of Dusseldorf – 1 static infantry corps, 1 heavy infantry corps
Frankfurt – 1 static infantry corps
Karlsruhe – 1 static infantry corps, 1 heavy infantry corps, 1 fighter unit, 1 observation plane unit
Stuttgart – 1 static infantry corps
Hex southwest of Stuttgart – 1 fortress infantry corps, 1 heavy infantry corps
Hex northwest of Zurich – 1 fortress infantry corps
Nurnburg – 2 infantry corps (regrouping from survivors of dead units), 1 light infantry division

Allied Forces
Italian forces
Cologne – 2 infantry corps

Spanish forces
Aachen – 5 cavalry divisions
Saarbrucken – 2 infantry corps, 1 static infantry corps, 1 siege artillery brigade, 2 observation aircraft units,
Verdun- 1 infantry corps, 1 static infantry corps (regrouped from dead units), 1 supply unit

French Forces
Paris – 2 infantry corps (regrouped from destroyed units)
Hex northeast of Bern- 4 infantry corps
Hex 2 hexes northeast of Bern – 4 static infantry corps
Strasbourg – 3 heavy infantry corps, 4 siege gun brigades, 1 observation aircraft unit
Hex east of Aachen – 4 heavy infantry corps
Metz – 1 fortress infantry corps, 3 infantry corps, 1 HQ, General Joffre
Verdun – 1 fortress infantry corps
Hex southeast of Strasbourg – 2 heavy infantry corps, 1 HQ
Galveston Bay
08-11-2006, 06:55
The Balkans September October 1912
The Germans move 5 corps of infantry, the Crown Prince, and artillery from the Eastern Front and from the homeland to the Balkans to launch an offensive.

Meanwhile, the Allies have command disagreements (OOC I have contradictory orders) as the Greeks are outraged over being placed under the command of the Rumanians, and serious disagreement results over the fate of Istanbul as well.

On September 10, Allied intelligence discovers a massive ammunition stockpile has been sent to the area along the Black Sea coast, indicating a major attack is imminent. What they miss however, is a more ominous buildup in the Skopji area.

The Battle of Macedonia
On September 15, the Germans and Austrians attack the Greek forces in that area with 5 German heavy infantry corps, 2 German artillery corps, 2 observation plane units, Austrian General Dankl and are joined by 3 Austrian infantry corps. Facing them are 4 Greek infantry corps defending in rugged terrain.

The German artillery bombardment is crushing, inflicting severe losses on the Greeks and the Germans and Austrians roll right over the Greek line.

Greek losses 90,000 (including 70,000 POW), 4 infantry corps destroyed
German losses: 5,000 (no unit losses)
Austrian losses: 5,000 (no unit losses)

Meanwhile, on the other end of the line, the Germans attack in the Burgas area
Battle of Burgas (continued)
The Germans have 3 heavy infantry corps, 4 siege artillery brigades and 1 Austrian cavalry corps under the Crown Prince against 2 Italian heavy infantry corps and General Diaz. In bloody fighting, the Italians are thrown back, but the Germans and Austrians are in no position to pursue. But then the attack was meant as a diversion in any case. The Germans and Austrians decline to push forward, but now 3/5s of the Italian Army is on the wrong side of the front from where disaster has struck.

German losses: 83,000, 3 heavy infantry corps reduced to light infantry divisions
Austrian losses: 5,000, no unit losses
Italian losses: 85,000, 3 heavy infantry corps reduced to light infantry divisions

Allied forces hurriedly try to repair the line. The Greeks however are the only forces within range of the area, and they hurriedly try to hold the line north of Salonika, the vital supply port for the Allies.

The Coalition however pushes forward on Salonika, and pushes through and assaults the Greeks in the Salonika area, while mountain divisions and now the Albanian Army invades Greece in the west, overrunning Korkya, and advancing into central Greece.

Battle of Salonika
The Greeks, with 3 infantry corps, 1 motorized infantry brigade, General Constantine, and 1 cavalry division are assaulted by the Germans and Austrians who have 5 German heavy infantry corps, 4 Austrian infantry corps, 2 German artillery corps, and 2 observation plane units. The Greeks are pinned into the port and forced to evacuate, but with the death of General Constantine, the situation collapses. Only 20,000 Greek soldiers manage to be evacuated by sea before the end comes.

German losses: 12,000 (no unit losses)
Austrian losses: 12,000 (no unit losses)
Greek losses: 120,000 casualties (including 80,000 POWs), General Constantine killed, 3 infantry corps, 1 cavalry division, 1 motorized infantry brigade destroyed

With a complete disaster underway, Allied forces have no choice but to retreat as well. However, they still have control of the Aegean as the Coalition fleet is busy in the Black Sea, and they use that control. The remaining Italian, Rumanian and French forces retreat as fast as they can for the beaches of the Thracian coast. There, even as German, Bulgarian and Austrian forces hem them in, they are evacuated by sea. However, they are forced to leave behind all of their heavy equipment and a sizeable number of troops fall by the way side.

Evacuation of Thrace
Rumanians get 8 light infantry divisions, and General Averescu out
French get 5 light infantry divisions and General Castelnau out
Italians get 9 light infantry divisions and General Diaz out
Greeks get 2 light infantry divisions out

Greeks retreat to Crete, Rumanian, French and Italian forces are withdrawn to southern Italian ports (for logistical reasons)

French casualties: 30,000
Italian casualties: 50,000
Greek casualties: 10,000
Rumanian casualties: 20,000
German casualties: 35,000, 1 heavy infantry corps destroyed
Austrian casualties: 23,000, 1 cavalry corps destroyed

Meanwhile, the Greeks have nothing left to defend Athens with, and Albanian and Austrian mountain units march into the city on October 21.

OOC
In game terms, the forces east of Salonika where immediately put out of supply when that port fell. They had 1 supply unit available, which had enough supply to allow the Allies one month to evacuate. An assault on Istanbul was considered, but rejected when it was realized it was chancy at best, and even if successful, would see those forces isolated from the Mediterranean once the Coalition reached Gallopolli. Seriously damaged forces that took Istanbul would be vulnerable to being crushed by all that German artillery anyway.

Sending defeated forces to the Mideast was rejected for logical reasons, and because there isn’t enough port capacity to hold them all or even most in any case. You can always fire the commander involved. General Nivelle makes a nice scapegoat.
Galveston Bay
08-11-2006, 06:55
ooc
Greece still has an army left (1 infantry brigade and 2 light infantry divisions in Crete, plus its navy), so may continue to play as Greek Exile government
Galveston Bay
08-11-2006, 07:34
Northwest Asia September October 1912
In Siberia, the Japanese are finally able to move and they attack at both Chita and Ulan Bator, both of which have received emergency Russian reinforcements.

Ulan Bator
The Japanese attack with 4 infantry corps (3 heavy, 1 regular), against 2 Imperial Chinese static infantry corps and 2 Russian militia corps. The Chinese and Russians fight hard, although outclassed and at a serious disadvantage in firepower. Both sides have equal numbers, but in the end, the Japanese destroyed the Chinese and Russian forces in the area and secure the city in mid October.

Japanese losses: 54,000 casualties, 2 heavy infantry corps reduced to light infantry divisions
Chinese losses: 63,000 casualties, 2 static infantry corps destroyed
Russian losses 40,000 casualties, 2 militia corps destroyed

Chita
Here the Japanese attack across a broad front with 10 motorized infantry brigades, 3 heavy infantry corps, 2 artillery corps and 3 siege artillery brigades plus aircraft and a General (name to be added). The Russians have a General (to be added), plus 2 static infantry corps, 2 militia corps and 2 cavalry corps defending a river line. The Russians also have an ammunition stockpile. The Russians hold through most of September, but are forced out of the city and then evacuate by rail what they can to Irkutsk.

Japanese losses: 37,000 casualties, 2 heavy infantry corps reduced to 2 light infantry divisions
Russian losses: 97,000 casualties, 2 militia corps destroyed, 2 cavalry corps destroyed, 2 static infantry corps reduced to 4 light infantry divisions,

Meanwhile, in China, the Imperials continue their campaign of attrition, hoping that more Russian troops or at least their own troops will come home. With the fall of Ulan Bator it becomes clear that those troops are stuck in Russia until the Allies can complete the railline running across the desert through Sinkiang to Russian Central Asia (in 1914 at current level of Chinese spending, which is looking unlikely at this point)

Chinese losses: 50,000 (1 static infantry division scrapped)
Japanese losses: 40,000 (1 fortress unit scrapped)

Luckily for the Imperial Chinese though, the fall rains begin in Russia, miring the Japanese forces in Ulan Bator and Chita in the mud, and effectively cutting them out of supply for the remainder of the month (ooc: they cannot move until a winter turn or clear turn as supply range is 1 hex now on Asian map during a mud turn)

Japanese forces end of October 1912:
Peking: 3 fortress infantry corps
Hex southeast of Peking: 2 fortress infantry corps, 1 CSDG infantry corps
Tientsin: 2 garrison unit, 4 infantry corps
Hex northwest of Peking: 2 infantry corps
Port Arthur: 1 garrison unit
Mukden: 1 garrison unit
Harbin: 1 garrison unit
Ulan Bator: 1 heavy infantry corps, 1 infantry corps, 2 light infantry divisions, 1 HQ
2 hexes northeast of Manchurian fist hex: 1 supply unit, 1 cavalry division
Manchurian fist hex: 1 supply unit, 1 cavalry division
Vladivostok: 1 garrison unit
Seoul: 1 garrison unit
Khaborovsk: 1 garrison unit
Blagovveshchenk: 1 garrison unit
(OOC supply range is halved on the Asian map as hexes are twice as big)
Sakkalin: 1 infantry corps
Kamchatka: 1 marine brigade
Nicolyvesk: 1 light infantry division
Chita: 10 motorized infantry brigades, 2 light infantry divisions
Hex southeast of Chita: 2 artillery corps, 3 siege artillery brigades, 1 HQ, 1 air unit, 1 General
resource hex 2 hexes southeast of Chita: 1 supply unit,
mountain hex 2 hexes northwest of Harbin: 1 supply unit, 1 infantry corps

Russian forces:
Irkutsk: 4 light infantry divisions, 1 General, 2 militia corps (regrouped from survivors), 1 cavalry corps (regrouped from survivors)

Imperial Chinese Forces
Resource hex east of Peking: 2 static infantry corps, 4 light infantry divisions
Tiayun: 2 infantry corps, 4 light infantry divisions
Tsingtao: 2 static infantry corps
Tsinan: 1 static infantry corps, 2 light infantry divisions
Lanchow: 2 light infantry divisions (regrouped from survivors)
Rodenka
08-11-2006, 07:55
Statement given to the Associated and World Press by General Alexandru Averescu


"The recent military debacle in Greece astounds me. The loss in Men and material is inexcuseable and the blame should be laid squarely where it lies. The Greek officers. In my short time working with certain officers of the Greek General Staff, who I will not name, they have been stubborn, rude, and tended to prattle about a grand attack on Istanbul.

It is my firm belief that had certain Greeks been more coopoerative, our situation would not be as it is now. The blame for this cotastrophe should go directly to the Greeks, who have obfuscated every attempt to create a centralised command structure.

The average Greek soldier has shown himself to be loyal, brave, and capable in defense and on the attack. The Greek soldiers themselves are able and willing to fight. Their officers however, are despicable specimens, and would be demoted to the lowest possible rank were they in my army.

No. I have no further comment. Now, I have an army to reorganize."
Abbassia
08-11-2006, 09:33
The Bulgarian Government and army is in celebration over the defeat of the Rumanian and Greek Forces in the Balkans, further amused by the Rumanian Statments of Blame compared with the Greek statement of support for Rumania at the Begining of the war which are now known to be only a guise to divide up the Balkans between the two aggressors who were quick to break the Oslo Peace treaties once the Russians appeared to have an advantage in the Ukraine. Now that the rightous have victored we see how quick are they to turn against each other.

This brings pride within the avarage Bulgarian when he sees how the brotherhood stands between the Bulgarians and Albanians, who were unable to act until now due to the force of the enemy but when asked for help by their allies they quickly heeded the call and together we drove back the Second Greek Horde.

German and Austrian roles in bringing Justice, Order and Stability in the Balkans aswell as the Ukraine, Finland and the Baltics is praised loudly to the International community.

OOC: on a seperate matter, GB I don't suppose I suffered any casualties by the way? I mean I did order my troops to commit to the Coalition's Offensive?
Whittlesfield
08-11-2006, 13:40
May I point out that I complained several times to people that my orders were not being followed, and one of my points was that I positioned troops on the Albanian border to stop this happening, as you can clearly see in the last post of Greek thread. I also objected to a Rumanian General being in charge of the Greek army because of the devastating effect it would have on moral. I thank GB however, for finally making Constantine a General unit, which was much more believable than that Rumanian General.

During the war he led the Second Army in the unsuccessful defense of the Carpathians. He commanded Army Group South in the unsuccessful Flămânda operation, and again led the Second Army in the minor victories in the Battle of Mărăşti and the Battle of Mărăşeşti (August 1917).[4] Several United States military historians rate Averescu and his fellow Romanian generals very poorly. Their direction of the war "could not have been worse".[5] Despite controlling an army of 500,000 plus 100,000 Russian reinforcements, they were soundly defeated by a much smaller German-Austrian-Bulgarian army in less than four months of combat.


Anyway, from what I can gather, the other players have been sending orders to GB telling him what the Greek troops were to be doing, without telling me, so perhaps if they actually told me what they wanted the Greeks to do we could have discussed it, rather than just sending the orders to GB.
Also, I did not order an attack on Istanbul, I told GB my troops in that area were to follow French orders.
And finally, this whole thing wouldn't have happened if people would actually listen to me. I knew my forces would get overrun eventually, which is why I requested that the Italians join up with my forces, as the east of Bulgaria did not require so many troops as it did.
The Germans and Austrians decline to push forward, but now 3/5s of the Italian Army is on the wrong side of the front from where disaster has struck.
See! But Amestria rejected my proposal as impossible.

Now if you're looking for a scapegoat, maybe you should look at someone else, as if you'd listened to me, instead of ignoring the actual situation, and going on some bizare mission to crush every Bulgarian in existance, we wouldn't be in this mess. But I did put troops on the Albanian border, so perhaps the results of the battle should be reconsidered...

PS - the last TG I got from GB:

Greek General Staff fiercely resents being under Rumananian command, and you will get your general

which you will need as the Coalition is hitting you with a major offensive after stripping other fronts of reserves and committing new forces


But after reading Chatzy, it seems you lot are happy to blame me, and call me stupid, so I guess the only thing left for me to do is resign from this RP, as I'm no longer welcome here.
Whittlesfield
08-11-2006, 13:48
And Bulgaria, I was going to be a lot more lenient on you than the others, and a couple of other people will back me up.
If all goes well against the Bulgarians, a proposal will be sent to Sofia through the British, offering the following terms:
*Immediate surrender of all Bulgarian forces
*Transfer of bottom 4 hexes to Greece
*Transfer of all Rumanian land controlled since end of Balkan Wars, Varna (and the hex to the left of it) and South Dobrija to Rumania
*Transfer of the most north western hex to Serbia (when control is regained).
*All remaining Bulgarian coastline is to become a demilitarised zone occupied by Allied forces after the conflict, however the population will remain under Bulgarian control, and Bulgarian merchant vessels will be allowed to use Burgas.
*Military Access it to granted to all Allied troops

Furthermore it is added that Greece will aid in the rebuilding of Bulgaria, and that Bulgaria is advised to accept these terms, as if Bulgaria is forced to surrender to France, Rumania, Italy, or Russia, the terms will be much much much harsher.

Rumania's proposal, which the other "allies" backed was that there would be no Bulgaria, and almost all of it would fall under Rumanian control, which I opposed because it would surpressthe Bulgarian people, and be uncontrollable, infact I was planning to prevent the Rumanians from claiming all your territory by saying that I was the one that fought for it, therefore I should decide what to do with it.

If you don't believe me, there are people here that can back me up.

It's a shame I have to leave, but I can't really take any other country because I only know about European countries' history, and there aren't any other countries worth playing as, and I don't think I'm welcome here anymore. I just ask that after reading this post, and the last one, you see that perhaps it wasn't my fault after all.
Whittlesfield
08-11-2006, 13:54
Oh, and if you think I'm stupid, for some reason they seem to think my King is dead. He's not.

Edit -
"Just out of interest, but what were the "other" orders for Greece?
just for clarification, here's mine:
Greek forces in Bulgaria, who are all under the command of Crown Prince Constantine (who I insist should be a General unit, when you made that Rumanian half-wit who was viewed by many as a poor commander a General unit, and when Constantine showed himself to be a good Commander in RL) , and the supporting Italian troops are to push up and put pressure on Sofia, but not take it for the moment as forces need to be built up before an assault on the Capital.

What do the Greek General Staff think of this?
What Greek forces exist in European Turkey? Don't forget my Motorised Infantry Brigade."
Whittlesfield
08-11-2006, 15:12
Its not because I lost the war, its because all my so called allies did not consult me, and are now calling me stupid, when if my orders were followed, and the Italians joined up on my side of Bulgaria, and the troops were on the Albanian border, then it wouldn't be so bad now.
New Dracora
08-11-2006, 15:40
Then stay, so you can get your revenge on the traitorous allies! Have the Greek government in exile give its support for the Coalition, and they'll give you your country back, and then you can raise more forces to combat the "Western Betrayal"

ooc: lol, I was going to suggest the same thing. :p

I mean, it's not like you have the worry about any reprisal from the empire, we ain't in this war.... plus the english still don't like the french at this stage I think.
Whittlesfield
08-11-2006, 16:11
Then stay, so you can get your revenge on the traitorous allies! Have the Greek government in exile give its support for the Coalition, and they'll give you your country back, and then you can raise more forces to combat the "Western Betrayal"
Haha, then the Italians and French would wipe me out...
Middle Snu
08-11-2006, 16:25
This is an IC thread, please keep all OOC comments out of it.

Thank you.
Whittlesfield
08-11-2006, 16:29
Well, I'm just responding to accusations relating to the Great War. So unless you care to start a Great War OOC thread, then I guess this is the best place to post.

Anyway, in conclusion, no matter what orders I could have given, given the sheer numbers of coalition troops there is nothing I could have done. All I ask is that you stop blaming me for this, when I knew nothing of any alternative orders for this turn.

And as GB said, General Nivelle makes a nice scapegoat, perhaps you can use this RL example of something he did:
However, Nivelle was willing to talk about his plan to anyone who asked, including journalists, while the Germans captured copies of the battle plan left in French trenches; consequently the element of surprise was lost. When launched in April 1917, the Aisne campaign (Nivelle Offensive) was a failure. He continued with the strategy until the French Army began to mutiny.
Galveston Bay
08-11-2006, 17:50
ooc
heavy sigh

Ok, it is entirely appropriate for Rumania to blame Greece, and for that matter the rest of the Allies to do the same for the defeat in the Balkans. Its certainly common for such scapegoating to occur.

Sure, its not just, but IC wise its reasonable, so please everyone drop the OOC stuff
Galveston Bay
08-11-2006, 17:54
The Bulgarian Government and army is in celebration over the defeat of the Rumanian and Greek Forces in the Balkans, further amused by the Rumanian Statments of Blame compared with the Greek statement of support for Rumania at the Begining of the war which are now known to be only a guise to divide up the Balkans between the two aggressors who were quick to break the Oslo Peace treaties once the Russians appeared to have an advantage in the Ukraine. Now that the rightous have victored we see how quick are they to turn against each other.

This brings pride within the avarage Bulgarian when he sees how the brotherhood stands between the Bulgarians and Albanians, who were unable to act until now due to the force of the enemy but when asked for help by their allies they quickly heeded the call and together we drove back the Second Greek Horde.

German and Austrian roles in bringing Justice, Order and Stability in the Balkans aswell as the Ukraine, Finland and the Baltics is praised loudly to the International community.

OOC: on a seperate matter, GB I don't suppose I suffered any casualties by the way? I mean I did order my troops to commit to the Coalition's Offensive?


ooc
They were used in a supporting role because replacing them is difficult.

In other news, anyone notice that the Austrians finally won a great victory?
Sukiaida
08-11-2006, 18:07
OOC: Uhh no Haneastic, you are missing about 200,000 German casualties. And that's before the casualty figures of the most recent battles. Will tally up the recent casualty figures next. Just a little overwhelming and three pages to read.

IC: SPain laments that massive casualties suffered.

THey also press for charges on Albania, that attacked without a formal declaration of war. Once again proving that the Coalition has no respect for the international laws of the world.

(OOC: ANd no England does not dislike France at this time. THey are both scared of German expansionism at this time. So no England does not dislike the French at this time. France and England actually get along by now. Pretty well too since they already fought a war together in the 1850's.)

Spain also wishes to state it had nothing to do with the Balkan Fiasco.

(OOC: Also a TG for you with orders and a question GB.)
Galveston Bay
08-11-2006, 21:44
Assault on an Empire – invasion of Turkey September / October 1912

In September, French forces overrun Adana and Mersin before Turkish forces can be redeployed to the area. The French then flood into the Anatolian plateau, driving on Ankara itself. The Turks pull forces from the front against Russia and hurriedly establish a defense line at Aksaray.

http://www.motorport.com.tr/images/Turkey_map.jpg

Here the Turks defend with 2 infantry corps, 1 heavy infantry corps and 2 light infantry divisions, while the French are driving into Turkey with 3 infantry corps (2 Algerian, 1 French) and 2 cavalry corps (Algerian/French). The French also have 1 HQ unit providing supply from their new supply port of Mersen.

The French have orders to stop when they meet resistance and so the front stabilizes in early October as the French pull back to more defensible positions and in order to free up cavalry which drives northeast toward the Russians who are threatening Turkey from the northeast.

Meanwhile, the Turks have had to weaken their front facing the Russians, and General Yudenich takes the opportunity to shift 3 mountain divisions into Persia and then move them across the mountains to outflank Kars from the south and overrun Ezerum, with the help of Kurdish nationalists who take this opportunity to rise up (providing 2 militia corps which show up east of the big lake on the WIF map).

The sudden appearance of Russian forces on October 1 in Ezerum completely unhinges the Turkish 2nd Army Groups supply situation, and forces an immediate retreat. Abandoning heavy equipment, the Turks retreat hurriedly to Trabzon, leaving a rear guard to fight a delaying action to prevent Russian pursuit. This rear guard is soon overwhelmed in heavy fighting north of Ezerum.

Turkish forces:
Hex east of Trabzon: 1 infantry corps
Hex southeast of Trabzon: 1light infantry division
Trabzon: 1 observation plane unit, 2 light infantry divisions, 2 militia corps (survivors from HQ unit and supply unit)
Hex 2 hexes directly south of Trabzon: 2 light infantry divisions
Hex 2 hexes west of Mersen: 1 infantry corps
Hex 4 hexes south of Sinop: 1 heavy infantry corps, 1 light infantry division
Ankara: 1 light infantry division, 1 observation plane unit
Hex 4 hexes east of Ankara: 1 infantry corps
Istanbul: 1 garrison unit, 1 static infantry corps, 1 coast defense
fortress, 1 light infantry brigade,
Troy (clear hex on Asian side of entrance to Dardenelles from Aegean) 2 cavalry divisions
Smyrnia: 2 light infantry divisions
Mecca: 1 garrison unit (out of supply)
Medina: 1 garrison unit (out of supply)
Turkish losses: 50,000 (40,000 POWs, most of these deserted and were picked up by the Russians)

Russian forces:
Erezum: 3 light infantry divisions, 1 static infantry corps, 1 cavalry corps
Batumi: 1 HQ, General Yedonich, 1 static infantry corps
Hex southeast of Batumi: 2 static infantry corps
Kurdish forces
Hex 5 hexes north of Mosul: 2 militia corps
French forces:
5 hexes northeast of Alexandretta: 1 cavalry corps
Mersen: 1 infantry corps (Algerian)
Hex northwest of Adana: 1 infantry corps (French)
Hex northeast of Adana: 1 infantry corps (Algerian)
Adana: 1 cavalry corps, 1 HQ, General Geruad
Haifa: 1 Jewish militia division
Beriut: 1 Christian militia division
Jerusalem: 1 cavalry corps
Amman: 1 cavalry corps
Damascus: 1 cavalry corps
Alexandretta: 2 marine brigades

French losses: 2,000
Russian losses: 5,000

Meanwhile, in September, the Russians launch an amphibious raid on Sinope, the key port for transport of coal to Istanbul. The raid is a success, wrecking the harbor facilities (Sinope is not a port for the next 6 months). On the way home however, the Coalition fleet intercepts the Russians and a sea battle occurs.

Battle of the Black Sea
The Russians, with 3 battleships, 3 protected cruisers, 20 destroyers and 20 torpedo boats move to hold back the Austrian / German fleet with 6 battleships, 1 armored cruiser, 2 protected cruisers and 20 destroyers. Knowing that he is looking at a possible disaster, Admiral Kolchak leads his fleet into battle to buy time for the transports to escape. Admirals Scheer and Horthy look for an opportunity to win decisively, and concentrate on the Russian warships, ignoring the transports.

In a 3 hour battle, all three Russian battleships are sunk (Potemkin, Evstafi, Ioann Zlatoust) as are all 3 protected cruisers (Svietlana, Bogatyr, Oleg), and 20 torpedo boats are also lost. However, Admiral Kolchak is rescued by a Russian destroyer and escapes. The Russian commander inflicts a lot of damage however, sinking the German battleships Kaiser Friedrich III, Kaiser Wilhelm II, and both Turkish protected cruisers (MIDILLI , Medjidiye) and Admiral Scheer is wounded and out of the war for 12 months.

But the Coalition finally owns the Black Sea.
Samtonia
08-11-2006, 22:54
The Scandinavian Regional Council, in opposition to privation and hardship suffered by civilians across Europe (especially as winter approaches) urge the cooperation of all nations, belligerent or neutral, in the International Red Cross' mission. Civilians in any nation should not be held to account for the policies of their governments and the Red Cross understands that. Food, medical aid, and shelter is provided by (and often only by) the Red cross, saving millions from terrible hardship. The SRC urges all nations to assist the IRC in their mission and hopes that merely because of war civilized behavior will not be thrown out the window.

Much in that same vein, Norway announces the formation of the Baltic Search and Rescue Patrol Group, a naval mission to be formed from SRC vessels as well as any other vessels donated by nations, neutral or belligerent, or provided by neutral nations. As a shipwreck in the Baltic often spells assured death for sailors, Norway feels it in the best interests of humanity to provide an organization whose goal is to rescue these sailors and either repatriate them or hold them in Norway until the war is over, as per rules of Neutrality. Norway urges the aid of all nations in Europe, as well as overseas, and expresses a wish for other neutrals to become involved in the group should they wish to as well. It is stressed that the BSRPG will be a strictly neutral affair and not differentiate between the nationalities of sailors who are saved- this group stands to benefit both belligerent sides in the conflict, as well as saving the lives of many.
Galveston Bay
08-11-2006, 23:30
Naval action Baltic and North Atlantic

German submarines continue to work their way south and assault the Spanish fleet guarding the Straits of Gibraltar, sinking armored cruiser Infanta Maria Teresa and sending the armored cruisers Almirante Oquendo and Princesa de Asturias limping home damaged (each costs .5 points to repair and will take 6 months). Russian submarines in the Baltic continue to attack German shipping, while heavy mine activity and clashes in the Baltic costs the Germans 1 motor torpedo squadron and the Russians 1 motor torpedo squadron and the Russian heavy ships remain in port.

Meanwhile, the Coalition and Alliance stick to convoy escort duties in the North Atlantic after suffering heavy losses in previous months, and thus lose no warships or shipping to enemy activity during this period. The Germans are sticking to northern routes through the G-I-UK gap and then approaching North America via the Grand Banks, while the Alliance sticks to a southern route, via the Azores and then approaching the Americas from the Caribbean. Thus each side makes it difficult for the other to attack them.

American warships ensure no fighting occurs when the two sides meet each other in American waters.

Although brawls between sailors of the 2 sides occur whenever they meet in American bars.


German naval forces available September / October 1912
In dockyard needing repairs:
Damaged: DN Kaiser (5 points, 10 months), Prinzregent Luitpold (4 points, 8 months), Kaiserin (2 points, 4 months), CA Prinz Adalbert (2 points, 8 months), Friedrich Karl (1 point, 5 months), CP Ariadne (1 point, 12 months), Amazone (.5 points, 5 months), CL Bremerhaven (1 point, 12 months), Coln (.25 points, 4 months)

Mothball fleet
BB1 Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse, Kaiser Barbarossa, BB2 Hilderbrand, Hagen, Odin, Agir, Siegfried, Beowulf, Frithjof, Heimdall, CP1 Victoria Louise, Hertha, Freya, Vineta, Hansa, Bussard, Falke, Seeadler, Condor, Cormoran, Geier, Hela, Gefion, Irene, Prinzess Wilhelm, Kaserin Augusta, 2 torpedo boat flotillas

Fitting out (available in November)
BC Von Der Tann, Goeben, CL Jager, Jagdkatze, Jagdhund, Seejagdhund, Jagd-Falke

Available for action
High Seas Fleet
Raiding force
CL Frieburg, Rostock, Graudenz, Mainz, Konigsburg, Graudenz,
1 long range submarine flotilla
Escort force
BB1 Deutschland, Hannover, Pommern, Schesin, Braunschweig, Elsass, Hessen, Preussen, Lothringen, Wittelsbach, Wettin, Zahringen CA Roon, CP Gazelle, Niobe, Thetis, Medusa, Frauenlob
Baltic Fleet
DN Frederich de Grosse, Rheinland, Posen, Westfalen, Oldenburg, 1 destroyer flotilla, 2 motor torpedo boat flotillas, 1 minesweeper flotilla

Allied naval forces available September / October 1912
French ships in dockyard needing repairs:
Damaged: BC Tavernier (2 points, 12 months), Fraternitie (1 point, 6 months),BB1 Bovet (3 points, 6 months at naval yard) CA Gloire (2 points, 12 months), Desaix (1 point, 6 months), 1 destroyer flotilla (2 points, 4 months), CP Alger (1 point, 12 months)

Italian ships needing repairs
BB1 Napoli (1 point, 4 months at naval yard), Re Umberto (same), Roma (same), Regina Elana (same)

Escort fleet (5th Fleet) ((Admiral de Lapeyrère)
BB1 Suffern, Jena, Massena, Charlemagne, Charles Martel
CA Ernest Renan, Jules Michelet, Amiral Aube, Conde, Sully, Dupleix, Amiral Charner, Bruix, Latouche Treville, CP D'Estrees, Infernet, Guichen, D'Entrecasteaux, D'Assas, Cassard, Du Chayla, Catinat, Bugead, Spanish CP Lepanto, Estramadura
Plus 1 tech 5 destroyer flotilla,

French 1st Fleet (West African patrol)(40 gunboats)(based at Dakar)
2 gunboat flotilla

French 9th Fleet (Channel Fleet)(20 destroyers, 20 torpedo boats, 20 submarines)
1 tech 4.5 destroyer flotilla, 1x Torpedo Boat Flotilla, 1 coast defense submarine flotilla,

Spanish 3rd Fleet (Gibraltar guard force)(at Cadiz, Spain) (7 cruisers, 20 destroyers, 20 torpedo boats)
CA Vizcaya, Cardenal Cisneros, Cataluna, plus 1 tech 5 destroyer flotilla, 1 tech 4.5 torpedo boat flotilla

Italian / Greek 6th Fleet (escort shipping in Eastern Mediterranean) (2 BB, 8 CP, 40 DD, 20 TB, 20 PG)
Italian BB2 Ruggerio de Lauria, Francesco Morosini, Dandola with Admiral Luigi di Savoia
Italian CP Dogali, Etna, Vesuvio, Stromboli, Ettore Fieramosca, Giovanni Bausan
Greek CP Nauarchos Miaoulis plus 2 tech 4.5 destroyer flotillas, 1 tech 4.5 torpedo boat flotilla, 1 gunboat flotilla
Greek BBC1 Hydra, Spetzal
Older Italian BBs of 4th fleet also escort ships (and so supports 6th Fleet)

Spanish ships needing repairs
CA Almirante Oquendo, Princesa de Asturias (each costs .5 points to repair and will take 6 months in a naval yard to fix).
Galveston Bay
08-11-2006, 23:32
The Eastern Front remains quiet in September and October, with only a few patrol actions, especially when the rains start up in early October.

Russian casualties Eastern Front: 40,000 (1 static infantry corps disbanded to provide replacements)
German casualties: Eastern Front: 15,000 (no unit losses)
Polish casualties: 3,000 (no unit losses)
Balt casualties: 2,000 (no unit losses)
Galveston Bay
08-11-2006, 23:35
November / December 1912

The Rains come, but the temperatures remain moderate. Mud conditions in the Arctic, Northern Temperate and Mediterranean zones.

HQs and Supply units can move, and can only supply units within 2 hexes on the European map, adjacent on the Asian map. Units may only move 1 hex a month.

At sea conditions are difficult and thus finding enemy shipping is difficult.
Kordo
08-11-2006, 23:46
Celebrations erupt across the AHE as people openly dance in the street in celebration after the Allied troops in the Balkans have been completely smashed. Support for the monarchy is at an all time high and many people now call for Russia to be finished off while making sure the French and Spanish (or more commonly referred to as ‘Dummes Kinder’) learn the error of their ways for getting involved in other people’s business.

Meanwhile in a more somber note, the first memorial is dedicated to the slain Archduke Franz Ferdinand. Though modest in size, the black marble statue moved many onlookers to tears when it was unveiled. Many people also note that the unveiling of the monument coincided with the passing of the “Archduke Plan” in the National Parliament that would create a special administrative zone that would include the Southern Slavic region of the AHE, Bosnia, and occupied Serbia and would be given many rights currently given only to Austria and Hungary.
Safehaven2
08-11-2006, 23:54
Available for action
High Seas Fleet
Raiding force
CL Frieburg, Rostock, Graudenz, Mainz, Konigsburg, Graudenz,


Baltic Fleet
DN Konig Albert, Oldenburg,

OOC: What about the Japanese style DN Friederich der Grosse and the German Posen, Westfalen and Rheineland? Don't think Konig Albert was ever one of my DN's.
Sukiaida
09-11-2006, 00:17
(What does Dummess Kinder mean anyways? If anyone is going to put a foreign language, at least give a translation.)

Spain holds a day of morning, but the SPanish people seem to be resolute. THey denote that some state they get in others business. But they remind those observing that the war started because Austria and Germany got involved in an internal struggle in Russia. Hypocrisy and tyranny must not be tolerated.
Whittlesfield
09-11-2006, 00:19
It means stupid children.
Galveston Bay
09-11-2006, 00:43
OOC: What about the Japanese style DN Friederich der Grosse and the German Posen, Westfalen and Rheineland? Don't think Konig Albert was ever one of my DN's.

they are around, need to do an edit and will (forgot Friederich instead of Konig, both are same class)

anyway, only Japanese style DN available isn't going out in the Atlantic by itself. It stays with othere DNs to watch in case the Russians send out their BCs again.
Haneastic
09-11-2006, 01:49
OOC: i am relatively sure my figures are correct, Sukiaida, I will be adding the new casualties soon

GB, can I use replacement units to keep my Heavy Infantry Up to Strength?

IC:

Japan cheers the Naval Victories of the Imperial Fleet, with the capture and taking of Northern Madagascar.

The Malagasy are offered greater freedoms and rigts if they serve for the Japanese Empire

OOC:
Casualty Figures updated, Coalition has broken 4, Allies broken 6. I think this may have surpassed RL casualties now
Galveston Bay
09-11-2006, 04:07
OOC: i am relatively sure my figures are correct, Sukiaida, I will be adding the new casualties soon

GB, can I use replacement units to keep my Heavy Infantry Up to Strength?

IC:

Japan cheers the Naval Victories of the Imperial Fleet, with the capture and taking of Northern Madagascar.

The Malagasy are offered greater freedoms and rigts if they serve for the Japanese Empire

OOC:
Casualty Figures updated, Coalition has broken 4, Allies broken 6. I think this may have surpassed RL casualties now

historic casualties
Allied
Military dead:5,520,000
Military wounded: 12,831,000
Military missing: 4,121,000

Central Powers
Military dead:4,386,000
Military wounded: 8,388,000
Military missing: 3,629,000

Keeping in mind the large proportions of POWs (which aren't counted above) in this RP, and th usual 30% dead or missing or will die of wounds, 30% permanently crippled, 30% wounded and able to return to duty, and generally 10% are captured

using approximate numbers:
we have at 4 million Coalition casualties roughly 1.2 million dead
and for the Alliance, 6 million casualties works out to be roughly 1.8 million dead

remember also a vast portion of the Serbian casualty count are POWs, and the Russians have a lot of POWs in Coalition hands as well, as welll as a sizeable number of French POWs in Coalition hands

we have lots more blood to spill to reach historic numbers

you can use replacement units to deal with casualties created by attrition (which you are suffering from the Imperial Chinese), not units shattered in battle

At this point the Malagasy have no particular desire to serve the Japanese Empire or Siamese government, but then, they didn't really serve in the French Colonial Army either.
Sukiaida
09-11-2006, 18:13
OOC: YOu are missing a battle or two, and you WAY overcalculated the RUssian casualties. By at least 400 thou. And germany has already crossed the 2 million casualties zone. I have been keeping record for some time now, very carefully. And include naval battles, among others.

ANd yes we're no where near our possible casualty figures. 9 million got killed in the great war. We're up to 3.
Galveston Bay
09-11-2006, 19:39
War at sea November – December 1912 The Battle of the Atlantic

The Germans send using Zeppelins manage to find several Alliance convoys in the Central Atlantic, a new capability (before that they weren’t ranging that far). Admiral Tirpitz orders a raiding group of 2 new battlecruisers, 11 light cruisers, and a flotilla of long range submarines to hit Alliance convoys and also engage and destroy the Spanish fleet that patrols the Straits of Gibraltar. The fleet will then steam to Southwest Africa to refuel, and will be supporting Admiral Graf Spees fleet which will conduct raiding operations along the coast of West Africa and also seize Spanish Rio Muni and French Equatorial Africa.

The German fleet puts to sea under the command of Admiral Hipper, and begins hitting Alliance convoys near the Azores in mid November. The French pre dreadnoughts Bouvet and Jena are both sunk defending a major troop convoy and that convoy is destroyed, along with the 2 corps of cavalry it had loaded aboard. Loss of life is extremely heavy as well and the Germans pick up what survivors they can, but eventually use their wireless to call for assistance from neutral shipping to pick up remaining survivors. Meanwhile German light cruisers attack Alliance convoys, and Allied losses are severe. At the same time, German submarines continue attacking Spanish warships at the entrance of the Straits of Gibraltar.

German losses:
Sunk CL Mainz, CP Thetis, Medusa, 1 shipping unit
French losses:
Sunk BB1 Bouvet, Jena, CA Jules Michelet CP Infernet, 1 transport unit
Ground units destroyed: 2 cavalry corps, 50,000 dead or missing, 5,000 POW, remainder rescued by neutral shipping (a pair of cavalry divisions will show up in France in March 1913), 1 French merchant shipping unit, 1 Spanish merchant shipping unit
Damaged: CA Amiral Aube (1 point, 12 months), Dupleix (.25 points, 2 months),
Spanish losses:
Sunk
Damaged: CA Cardenal Cisneros (.5 points, 4 months)

In early October, the German fleet has reached the entrance of the Mediterranean, and find that the Spanish fleet has taken shelter in Cadiz to avoid destruction. The Germans settle for bombarding Spanish installations and then steam south.

Meanwhile, the Germans have occupied both Rio Muni and French Equatorial Africa, and destroyed a French gunboat flotilla as well.

The French however also go on the offensive, and send a fleet of 6 brand new light cruisers to raid German shipping in the North Atlantic. They are able to catch a convoy of supply ships escorted by a pair of protected cruisers en route to German Africa, and destroy it and its escorts without a loss before having to return home.

In the Baltic, Russian submarines continue to hit German shipping, but are finding that German shipping is now well escorted and between the escorts and running the gauntlet of the heavily patrolled Gulf of Finland accomplish little. The Russian surface fleet remains in port, while the Germans retain a sizeable fleet of battleships to keep an eye on it.

German naval forces available January 1, 1913
In dockyard needing repairs:
Damaged: DN Kaiser (5 points, 10 months), Prinzregent Luitpold (4 points, 8 months), Kaiserin (2 points, 4 months), CA Prinz Adalbert (2 points, 8 months), Friedrich Karl (1 point, 5 months), CP Ariadne (1 point, 12 months), Amazone (.5 points, 5 months), CL Bremerhaven (1 point, 12 months), Coln (.25 points, 4 months)

Mothball fleet
BB1 Lothringen, Wittelsbach, Wettin, Zahringen, Braunschweig,Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse, Kaiser Barbarossa, BB2 Hilderbrand, Hagen, Odin, Agir, Siegfried, Beowulf, Frithjof, Heimdall, CP1 Victoria Louise, Hertha, Freya, Vineta, Hansa, Bussard, Falke, Seeadler, Condor, Cormoran, Geier, Hela, Gefion, Irene, Prinzess Wilhelm, Kaserin Augusta, 2 torpedo boat flotillas

Fitting out (available in March 1913)
DN Konig, Konig Albert (both British constructed warships built for Turkey originally, modeled on historic Agincourt class)

Available for action
High Seas Fleet
Raiding force
1 long range submarine flotilla
Escort force
BB1 Hannover, Braunschweig, Hessen, CA Roon, CP Gazelle, Niobe, Frauenlob
Baltic Fleet
DN Frederich de Grosse, Rheinland, Posen, Westfalen, Oldenburg, 1 destroyer flotilla, 2 motor torpedo boat flotillas, 1 minesweeper flotilla

South Atlantic Fleet (Admirals Hipper, Graf Spee)
BC Von Der Tann, Goeben CL Frieburg, Rostock, Graudenz, Konigsburg, Graudenz, Jager, Jagdkatze, Jagdhund, Seejagdhund, Jagd-Falke, Leipzig, Emden, Dresden, Karlsruhe, Straussburg, Stralsund, Kolberg, Stettin, Stuttgart, Berlin, Munchen, Munchen, Breslau, Nurnburg, 1 shipping unit (functioning as supply ships) 2 ocean liner unit (functioning as supply ships),
1 gunboat flotilla (In Pacific still at Truk)
1 CL (Hamburg) under repair in Japan

Allied naval forces available January 1913
French ships in dockyard needing repairs:
Damaged: BC Tavernier (2 points, 12 months), Fraternitie (1 point, 6 months), CA Gloire (2 points, 12 months), Desaix (1 point, 6 months), CP Alger (1 point, 12 months)

Escort fleet (5th Fleet) ((Admiral de Lapeyrère)
BB1 Suffern, Massena, Charlemagne, Charles Martel,
CA Ernest Renan, Conde, Sully, Amiral Charner, Bruix, Latouche Treville, CP D'Estrees, , Guichen, D'Entrecasteaux, D'Assas, Cassard, Du Chayla, Catinat, Bugead, Spanish CP Lepanto, Estramadura
Plus 1 tech 5 destroyer flotilla,

French 7th Fleet (raiding force)
CL Boucanier, Corsair, Vindicatif, Vengeance, Audacieux, Intrépide, 1 DD flotilla

French 1st Fleet (West African patrol)(40 gunboats)(based at Dakar)
1 gunboat flotilla

French 9th Fleet (Channel Fleet)(20 destroyers, 20 torpedo boats, 20 submarines)
1 tech 4.5 destroyer flotilla, 1x Torpedo Boat Flotilla, 1 coast defense submarine flotilla,

Spanish 3rd Fleet (Gibraltar guard force)(at Cadiz, Spain)
CA Vizcaya, , Cataluna, plus 1 tech 5 destroyer flotilla, 1 tech 4.5 torpedo boat flotilla

Spanish ships needing repairs
CA Almirante Oquendo, Princesa de Asturias (each costs .5 points to repair and will take 6 months in a naval yard to fix).

Available Russian Baltic Fleet June 30
BC Borodino, Kutusov , Suvarov, Prince Bagration, Markarov, 1 minesweeper flotilla, CP Aurora, 1 coast defense submarine flotilla

Damaged: BC Borodino (2 points to repair, 4 months), Kutusov (1 point, 2 months), 1 torpedo boat flotilla (1 point, 2 months
Sukiaida
09-11-2006, 20:37
(OOC: WHere did you put my Battleships. THe two SPanish battleships haven't been recorded anywhere. THis is rathe rimportant as I have 2 battleships pre-dreadnaught. Secondly, Spain doesn't own Rio Muni anymore. It relinquished it in the Morrocan scandal to uhh I think France. Or maybe Germany. Whichever.)

Spain lets out slight moans about the damage done to it's navy. THe naval arm has been suffering due to the 1898 fiasco and just when it was getting back on it's feet, this happens.
Galveston Bay
09-11-2006, 21:49
(OOC: WHere did you put my Battleships. THe two SPanish battleships haven't been recorded anywhere. THis is rathe rimportant as I have 2 battleships pre-dreadnaught. Secondly, Spain doesn't own Rio Muni anymore. It relinquished it in the Morrocan scandal to uhh I think France. Or maybe Germany. Whichever.)

Spain lets out slight moans about the damage done to it's navy. THe naval arm has been suffering due to the 1898 fiasco and just when it was getting back on it's feet, this happens.

what 2 battleships and when were they built, and who did you get them from if they are post 1906 purchases. I show only 1 Spanish battleship built before 1906 in historical records, and it would be considered a tech level 4 warship and not safely taken out to sea in view of the submarine threat. Send me a TG with link to where and when you got them
Haneastic
09-11-2006, 22:28
OOC: I have printed out all battles and came with those figures, if you wish to show all the battles and casualties, and point out where I'm wrong, go ahead. Since no one else (including GB) has challenged my numbers, I believe they are accurate. Naval battles were accounted for when casualties were posted, I will eventually get around to adding the other casualties.

IC:

Japan congratulates the Germans on their recent naval victories, and the navy takes special note of them.

Japan also issues formal declarations of war against Spain and Imperial China
Galveston Bay
09-11-2006, 22:45
OOC: I have printed out all battles and came with those figures, if you wish to show all the battles and casualties, and point out where I'm wrong, go ahead. Since no one else (including GB) has challenged my numbers, I believe they are accurate. Naval battles were accounted for when casualties were posted, I will eventually get around to adding the other casualties.

although not in this thread.. the MAIN thread is the place for OOC discussion

New economic rules in effect

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11605323&postcount=1
Sukiaida
09-11-2006, 22:51
OOC: Of course GB has worked with me on mine and helped me edit it. If he hasn't challenged you yet, he hasn't helped you edit it either. And I TGed when I built those battleships. Unforunitly I can't link to it, as I edit that page every year. And I don't have copies of my 1908 builds or 1909 builds.

IC: SPain officially declares war on Japan. Though in truth it's simply a paper note. Japan and Spain had done about the damage they can do to eachother in relation.
Kordo
09-11-2006, 23:07
The Austro-Hungarian quietly institutes a plan that places Serbia under control of the newly created Special Administrative Zone commonly called Yugoslavia.

In addition, all POW’s captured in Serbia will be put towards rebuilding that country and that until notice, severe rationing of civilian and POW’s in Serbia will be in effect until future notice.

(ooc: Basically destructive labor rationing for all of Serbia w/ all extra food points from Serbia, if any, going towards feeding the AHE population. If Serbia does not have enough food points to feed its population, figure the necessary amount will be given to the Work Camps with the rest left for the civilian population to squabble over)
Malkyer
09-11-2006, 23:12
The French government and French general staff alike tear into the Greek government's actions in the final weeks before the defeat of the Allies in the Balkans, the first major Allied defeat in Europe since June. Georges Clemenceau gives a speech before the National Assembly, in which he, in great detail, blames the Greeks for the entire debacle, refutes Greek attempts to shift blame elsewhere, and praises the French, Rumanian, and Italian armies for being able to escape with most of their men alive.

The French government demotes General Nivelle, one of the commanders on the Balkan front, and unceremoniously sends him to the Pyrenees, to command a border outpost.
Sukiaida
09-11-2006, 23:12
Austria Hungary once again proves it's desire to enslave the entire Slavic race under it's outmoded empirical scheme. Serbia is now going to be put into a concentration camp (A SPanish term actually coined during the Cuban Revolution) They say that they will feed them enough, but in truth they know very little, and will not only starve Serbians with neglect, but will also cruelly mistreat them.

It seems the Coalition's desire for world conquest grows in leaps and bounds with every turn. And that the Austrians, who have yet to actually beat a true Allied Power, are acting like the cocks of the walk despite Germany being the entire reason they still exist at all. And with their comments of "stupid children" and saying that the Allies get involved in things that aren't their business, we state that it's the final nail, of hypocrisy that the Coalition feeds on. They say with one hand, what they stab in the back with the other.

In relation to the Greek debacle, Spain desires that the Greek people rise above the failures of their generals. Fight against the AUstrians. All good Serbs should fight against the Austrians. All good Slavs in Austria should fight against those who wish to enslave them. Every Austrian killed or occupied in Serbia is one less for the victors of Europe, and the just peoples of the ALlies.

It is also noted that the Allies are merciful when dealing with true people. That there are rumors now about the mercy that is given to Finland, despite the lies that the Germans may be spreading. The Germans are exploitative, and wish to conquer all. Even Austria is a senile old man being controlled by the merciless German Hun. The horde will visit if we are not careful.

A few jokes are made about General Neville in the Pyrenees, and about how the famrers that til the soil of Spain on the border of France and SPain could defeat Nivelle in a war game if they ever were pitted against him. Dozens of jokes are made at his expense in the countryside.
Safehaven2
10-11-2006, 00:24
Upon hearing of the further German victories at sea the Kaiser was said to become ecstatic, getting almost childish in his joy over "His" fleets accomplishments. He spent a week visiting in Kiel, inspecting the fleet and passing out medals and awards.
Galveston Bay
10-11-2006, 02:22
The Austro-Hungarian quietly institutes a plan that places Serbia under control of the newly created Special Administrative Zone commonly called Yugoslavia.

In addition, all POW’s captured in Serbia will be put towards rebuilding that country and that until notice, severe rationing of civilian and POW’s in Serbia will be in effect until future notice.

(ooc: Basically destructive labor rationing for all of Serbia w/ all extra food points from Serbia, if any, going towards feeding the AHE population. If Serbia does not have enough food points to feed its population, figure the necessary amount will be given to the Work Camps with the rest left for the civilian population to squabble over)

Strong protests arise in the A-H government over the proposed policy, citing that it isn't Christian.

(OOC the government will allow food rationing for the Serb civilians and emergency food rationing for the POWs, but thats it. You can't do genocide against Europeans unless you are a Communist or Nazi state, and you aren't either one. Serbia can feed itself ... see economic post here

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11925724&postcount=489
Bazalonia
10-11-2006, 04:32
Preperations for the Mobilisation of a reserve infantry corp get into full swing in Denmark as it prepares to move into Finland and with the forces of the other SRC members administer Finland until an independant and neutral Finnish government can be set up.

A predicted timeframe of the begining of January 1913 has been made for the troops to be ready to be transported via ships to Finland to take up the roles according to the agreement that the SRC had signed. The Danish government makes approaches to the Russians asing for pilots to help navigate.

Also it asks that the mine defenses around Finland would be dismantled and the mine based defenses of Russia be re-evaluated considering it no longer has to defend it.
Malkyer
10-11-2006, 12:40
November/December 1912

The French government restructures itself as its economy goes to Wartime Production/Spending, creating several new Ministries in the process and bringing in some of the more prominent (and moderate) members of the Conservatives to create a “Government of National Unity.”

The Government of National Unity

President of the Council (Prime Minister): Jean Charles Reynaud (DLN)
Minister of Foreign Affairs: Théophile Delcassé (DLN)
Minister of Overseas France: Raphaël Milliès-Lacroix (Radical)
Minister of War: Guy Régis (DLN)
Minister of Marine, Convoying, and Blockades: Georges Clemenceau (Radical), after January 1913, Georges Leygues (Radical)
Minister of Finance: Raymond Poincaré (ARD)
Minister of Labour and Social Security Provisions: René Besnard (Radical)
Minister of Justice: Bienvenu Martin (Radical)
Minister of the Interior: Vincent Gratien (DLN)
Minister of Public Instruction, and Fine Arts: Aristide Briand (Radical)
Minister of Public Works, Posts, and Telegraphs: Albert Lebrun (ARD)
Minister of Commerce and Industry: Benoit Lambert (DLN)
Minister of Armaments and War Manufacturing: Louis Loucheur (Radical)
Minister of Agriculture: Jourdain Romain (Radical)
Minister of Liberated Regions: Charles Jonnart (ARD)

Legislation allowing female suffrage is also pushed through the National Assembly and Senate.

Georges Clemenceau, whose faction of the Radical’s sponsored the legislation, speaks strongly in favor of it, conjuring up the memory of the French women who had stormed Versailles during the French Revolution and butchered members of the Royal Swiss Guard and reminding everyone of the great ordeal before them.

“France needs every one of its sons, every man and every soldier it can muster along the Rhine and Kizil. Let France’s daughters, who worry as their men are called off to fight and weep at the inevitable funerals before stoically continuing on…let them shoulder some of the burden of this conflict, let them support their fathers, husbands, and sons at the front.

To those reactionary fools who oppose this legislation on the grounds it could harm France’s society…well, our society is at present preoccupied with a far greater concern then mere custom, the necessity of victory and survival! The full might of the French citizenry, the French people, the French Nation must be brought forth to vanquish the Germans, once and for all.”

It passes, with many conservative members voting for it to free up men to fight the Germans.

So far, the legislation only concerns the mobilization of woman for the factories, replacing jobs opened by men leaving to join the Army, but guarantees full legal and civil rights for women by 1916, including the right to vote and hold political offices.


January 1913

Radical Georges Clemenceau, with the support of the Devant Libéral Nationale, is elected President of the Republic by the French Parliament, defeating conservative Alliance républicaine démocratique candidate Raymond Poincaré. Clemenceau succeeds President Paul Doumer (Radical, January 1906 to December 1912). He and Jean Charles Reynaud vow to work closely together.

Georges Leygues (Radical) becomes Minister of Marine, Convoying, and Blockades.

The heavy casualties suffered in the fighting so far begin to raise concerns among the Left. Hard questions regarding war aims and what is needed for peace are asked.

President Clemenceau, the old radical, is called upon by Prime Minister Reynaud (his ally, rival, and friend) to answer the Left. He rises to the occasion, addressing Parliament.

“The Unity Government's home policy: We wage war. Our foreign policy: We wage war. All the time we wage war. What is needed for peace? The complete and total defeat of Germany and the liberation of all territory seized by it and its coalition of small predatory aggressors! There will be peace when Germany is defeated, as without Germany the feeble states of the Coalition would immediately fall apart. Germany has to be defeated!

Yes, the casualties suffered so far have indeed been horrific, for war, particularly modern war, is a series of catastrophes, which is why so many of our statesmen attempted to avoid what has occurred, but all their efforts were for naught as the Prussians are impossible, the events of 1911 demonstrated such. They seek to become the masters of Europe and ultimately destroy those who will not cower before them. Well, France will not cower, so it must fight or be destroyed. What is France seeking…?

France is seeking peace, real peace, a lasting peace…not another armistice for 20 or so years.”
Abbassia
10-11-2006, 15:01
Stated Below is the Report on the number of POW detained by the Coalition, those detained by the Japanese are marked by JAP. Keep in mind that due to the large amount of Data there might be some errors, so I would like some mod input:

Unless stated otherwise, POW are considered to be half of 10% of the Casualties listed of each battle

Tsarist Russia: Total: 502,900 (Euro: 334,550 JAP: 168,350)
The first clash May 1911- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11806214&postcount=22)
Baltic Front: 1,750
Poland: 30,000
Land battles June 1911- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11814396&postcount=36)
Battle of Dvina River: 3,500
Battle of Vilna: 3,500
Land battles July 1911 (part 1)- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11821918&postcount=53)
Battle of Riga: 6,500
Battles of Polatsk and Minsk: 9,000
Ukraine and the war at sea July 1911- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11822451&postcount=55)
Ukraine (Attrition): 1,250
Land battles Baltic coast and northern Russia August 1911- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11831491&postcount=74)
Parnu: 1,750
Further east (thickly forested area southeast of Talinn): 3,500
The Caucasian campaign- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11831734&postcount=75)
battle of Samtradia: 250
Further east, in the critical passes leading into Georgia and Armenia: 500
In still further in the east: 1,000
White Russia August 1911- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11832116&postcount=76)
Attrition: 250
Battles in the Ukraine August 1911 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11832127&postcount=77):
Battle of Kiev: 2,750
Battle of the Dniester River + Ensuing Cavalry Fight: 2,600
The Arctic August 1911: (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11832286&postcount=80)
Murmansk: 10,000
Second Battle of Kiev – September / October 1911: (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11836258&postcount=94)
Kiev: 7,250
this Period of bad weather, disease, and small clashes (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11836329&postcount=95)
Attrition: 5,000
Skirmish in the Caucasus Region- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11836968&postcount=100)
Attrition: 500
Another touch of bad weather, disease, and small clashes- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11846134&postcount=103)
Attrition: 7,500
Arctic, Northern, Baltic and Central fronts January - February 1912- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11856416&postcount=107)
Attrition: 2,100
Battles in the Ukraine January - February 1912- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11856541&postcount=108)
Second Battle of the Dniester River: 2,400
Battle of Uman: 3,600
Battles in the Far North May 1912- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11874391&postcount=132)
Vyborg: 5,000
Battles in the Ukraine- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11875426&postcount=133)
Dniester Bend: 200,000
Kiev: 8,250
Baltic and Central Fronts- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11875591&postcount=135)
Attrition and Skirmishes: 3,000
Caucasus and Black Sea May 1912 : (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11875907&postcount=138)
Batumi: 750
Battles in the Baltic and Atlantic June 1912- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11888272&postcount=29)
Helsinki: 3,000
Siberia and China June 1912 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11888672&postcount=33)
Vladivostok: 160,000 JAP
Battle of Blagovenshenik: 1,000 JAP
Eastern Front June 1912- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11891531&postcount=42)
Dnepopetrovsk: 3,350 (including Slavic Volenteers)
Attrition: 1,750
Assault on an Empire- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11908207&postcount=91)
Iraq: 1,000
July – August Northeast Asia- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11908378&postcount=94)
Attrition: 500 JAP
Northwest Asia September October 1912- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11917787&postcount=115)
Ulan Bator: 2,000 JAP
Chita: 4,850 JAP
The Eastern Front in September and October- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11920880&postcount=132)
Eastern Front: 2,000

France: Total: 71,850 (Euro: 45,350 JAP: 26,500)
The Battle of Alsace Lorraine June 1912- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11882566&postcount=8)
The Battle of Alsace: 7,850
Battle of Metz: 6,400
War in the Far East (Part 1)- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11887633&postcount=26)
Naval battles: 4,500 JAP
The Rhineland July / August 1912- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11896702&postcount=58)
Metz: 11,350
The Balkans July August 1912- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11899827&postcount=66)
Battles of Kurdzaly and Smolyan: 750
Thrace: 1,350
Adrianople: 500
Assault on an Empire- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11908207&postcount=91)
Beirut: 250
Damascus: 1,500
Amman: 1,500
War at Sea (part 1) September – October 1912 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11916613&postcount=107)
Madagascar: 22,000 JAP
Battle of the Rhineland- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11916996&postcount=112)
Battle of Strasbourg September 1912: 6,950
Battle of Cologne: 4,450
Attrition: 1,000
The Balkans September October 1912- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11917609&postcount=113)
Evacuation: 1,500

Italy Total: 10,600 (Euro: 8,600 JAP: 2,000)
War in the Far East (Part 1)- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11887633&postcount=26)
Naval Battles: 2,000 JAP
Alpine Front (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11910063&postcount=97)
Attrition: 100
Battle of the Rhineland- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11916996&postcount=112)
Battle of Cologne: 1,750
The Balkans September October 1912- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11917609&postcount=113)
Battle of Burgas: 4,250
Evacuation: 2,500

Spain: Total: 19,900
Morocco- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11882910&postcount=10)
Morocco: 100
The Rhineland July / August 1912- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11896702&postcount=58)
Battle of Saarbrucken: 9,200
Battle of the Rhineland- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11916996&postcount=112)
Aachen: 10,600

Serbia: Total: 154,000
The Balkans June 1912 (part 3)- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11886654&postcount=25)
Battle of Sofia: 4,000
Invasion of Serbia: 150,000

Greece: Total: 153,900
The Balkans (part 2) June 1912- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11884017&postcount=15)
Battle of western Thrace: 2,650
The Balkans July August 1912- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11899827&postcount=66)
Battles of Kurdzaly and Smolyan: 250
Adrianople: 500
The Balkans September October 1912- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11917609&postcount=113)
Macedonia: 70,000
Battle of Salonika: 80,000
Evacuation: 500

Rumania: Total: 161,250
The Balkans June 1912 (part 3)- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11886654&postcount=25)
Battle of Bucharest: 100,000
The Balkans July August 1912- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11899827&postcount=66)
West of Burgas: 250
Burgas: 60,000
The Balkans September October 1912- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11917609&postcount=113)
Evacuation: 1,000

Imperial China: Total: 17,200 (Euro: 6,550 JAP: 10,650)
Another touch of bad weather, disease, and small clashes (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11846134&postcount=103)
Attrition 2,500
Arctic, Northern, Baltic and Central fronts January - February 1912 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11856416&postcount=107)
Attrition: 300
Caucasus and Black Sea May 1912 : (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11875907&postcount=138)
Batumi: 1,500
Assault on an Empire- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11908207&postcount=91)
Iraq: 2,250
July – August Northeast Asia- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11908378&postcount=94)
Attrition: 5,000 JAP
Northwest Asia September October 1912- (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11917787&postcount=115)
Ulan Bator: 3,150 JAP
Attrition: 2,500 JAP

Final Total=
European POW= 884,100
Japanese held POW= 207,500
Sukiaida
10-11-2006, 18:20
(I got permission to do this from GB, and it's to add color to the RP. Or that's how he phrases it.)

January 1st, 1913

Madrid Socialist News: (Has a special stamp that proves it's been checked for sedition.)

Strange news is filtering from the front. It seems that the war ended for two days on December 25th and 26th between Spanish and German troops through mutual consent. Unforutnitly this probably will not be continued on January 5th, but it seems a strange story. This newspaper has gotten word that on the night of Christmas, Spanish and German lines were accosted by the enemy and visa versa, for a temporary armistice for the celebration of Christmas.

This "Christmas Truce" appears to be a rather odd event, and caused both High Commands to be extremelly harsh when it came to trying to prevent this from unravelling the war. Still the armistice of mutual consent lasted the two days, until artillery was ordered fired by both armies into the mutual locations to prevent any permanency. This newspaper thinks its a shame that the regular soldiers could perhaps have found peace where their leaders could not. And those same leaders prevented it. (Heavily opptomistic.) The proliteriet is once again forced to kill it's members.

But at least the soldiers of two countries had peace for a single holiday.

(The British got the Christmas truce of 1914. I got the Christmas truce of 1912. Spain and Germany are some of the few countries that really celebrate Christmas in the early 20th century. Britain is another. It wasn't as important in other nations at this time. No where near it's importance now. So... uh yeah. If you want more color, look in the special War Stories thread for a much longer post.)
Kordo
10-11-2006, 23:35
Strong protests arise in the A-H government over the proposed policy, citing that it isn't Christian.

(OOC the government will allow food rationing for the Serb civilians and emergency food rationing for the POWs, but thats it. You can't do genocide against Europeans unless you are a Communist or Nazi state, and you aren't either one. Serbia can feed itself ... see economic post here

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11925724&postcount=489

The food rationing orders are quickly repealed and new, more reasonable ones are introduced in their place. Rumors that the Emperor had ordered the original rationing are quickly suppressed by the government.
Safehaven2
11-11-2006, 19:41
Russia Concedes Defeat To Finland!
Russian War Effort Strained! Cuts desperate deal for Finnish Independance in Exchange for needed Resources

The Coalitions' cause has seen yet another victory as the Russian Government gives up costly fighting in Finland on the wake of Crushing Defeats on most major fronts, desperately needing resources for its consistantly failing economy, Russian troops, humiliated constantly by the free Finnish troops lead by Baron Mannerheim have opted to withdraw and ask for terms with the distinguished Finnish Commander.

Although Finland shall be signing a peace treaty with the Russians -on favourable terms- the coalition celebrates the achievement of its goal in liberating oppressed ethnic groups under the tyrrany of Russia and acknowledges close relations with the new Proud Soverigen Nation that fought the Demented Bear... and Won.


OOC: Props to Abassia on the writing.
Question, will Manerheim still fight for Germany considering he can't return to Finland?
Haneastic
11-11-2006, 20:07
Japan declares the creation of the Repunlic of Mengjiang, a free Mongolian nation made up of lands liberated from Russia, and parts of Japanese held-Inner Mongolia. The new government calls for all Mongolians serving in the Russian or Chinese armies to desert and join the Mnegjiang Army, and for all citizens residing in Mengjiang to help the war effort. Mengjiang also declares war on Imperial China and Russia

OOC: not sure what i get, GB will have to tell me
Galveston Bay
11-11-2006, 20:11
War news November / December 1912
Indian Ocean
Japanese naval forces, including 2 battlecruisers, 6 predreadnoughts, 4 armored cruisers, 10 light cruisers and 2 protected cruiser, steam into the waters along the coast of East Africa. The Italian fleet discovers its severely outnumbered and outpowered and is cut off from easy escaupe up the Red Sea to Suez, so is forced to retreat to the port of Mogidishu to avoid destruction.

Japanese supply ships resupply the Turkish garrisons of Mecca and Medina via the port of Jiddah.

Western, Eastern, Chinese and Turkish fronts
The war comes to a halt because of the heavy rains of Fall. Attrition however continues to be a serious drain.

German causalties all fronts: 60,000 (2 corps sized or 3 division sized units)
French casualties all fronts: 45,000 (1 corps sized unit)
Russian casualties all fronts: 80,000 (4 division or 2 corps sized units)
Polish casualties all fronts: 10,000 (no units lost)
Baltic casualties all fronts: 5,000 (no units lost)
Turkish casualties: 30,000 (1 corps sized or 2 division sized units lost)
Japanese casualties 60,000 (2 corps sized or 3 division sized units lost)
Imperial Chinese casualties: 60,000 (2 corps sized or 3 division sized units lost)
Spanish casualties all fronts: 20,000 (1 division sized unit)
Italian casualties all fronts: 30,000 (1 corps or 2 division sized units)
Siamese casualties: 2,000 (mostly to disease)
South African mercenary casualties: 2,000 (all to disease)

(Siam and South Africa lose only 10% of the above permanently)

Imperial China disbands 3 light infantry divisions

ooc
send TG telling me what and where you are disbanding units

IC
Meanwhile, in Siberia, with great difficulty, the Japanese are able to get their mired motorized infantry to the railhead at Chita, and finish repairs on the Siberian railroad that they control. The poor weather prevents those units from moving elsewhere as of yet.
Galveston Bay
11-11-2006, 20:23
Japan declares the creation of the Repunlic of Mengjiang, a free Mongolian nation made up of lands liberated from Russia, and parts of Japanese held-Inner Mongolia. The new government calls for all Mongolians serving in the Russian or Chinese armies to desert and join the Mnegjiang Army, and for all citizens residing in Mengjiang to help the war effort. Mengjiang also declares war on Imperial China and Russia

OOC: not sure what i get, GB will have to tell me

ooc
not much, there aren't a lot of Mongolians, and even fewer interested in fighting anyone
Mongolia is a tech level 2 nation, and has no signficant resources, but is able to feed itself (as most people herd sheep, goats, horses and camels). You can form 1 Mongolian cavalry division if you pay for the cost.
Safehaven2
11-11-2006, 20:25
War news November / December 1912
German causalties all fronts: 60,000 (2 corps sized or 3 division sized units)
French casualties all fronts: 45,000 (1 corps sized unit)
Russian casualties all fronts: 80,000 (4 division or 2 corps sized units)
Polish casualties all fronts: 10,000 (no units lost)
Baltic casualties all fronts: 5,000 (no units lost)
Turkish casualties: 30,000 (1 corps sized or 2 division sized units lost)
Japanese casualties 60,000 (2 corps sized or 3 division sized units lost)
Imperial Chinese casualties: 60,000 (2 corps sized or 3 division sized units lost)

OOC: What about Spanish and Italian casualties?
Galveston Bay
11-11-2006, 20:30
War news November / December 1912
Indian Ocean
Japanese naval forces, including 2 battlecruisers, 6 predreadnoughts, 4 armored cruisers, 10 light cruisers and 2 protected cruiser, steam into the waters along the coast of East Africa. The Italian fleet discovers its severely outnumbered and outpowered and is cut off from easy escaupe up the Red Sea to Suez, so is forced to retreat to the port of Mogidishu to avoid destruction.

Japanese supply ships resupply the Turkish garrisons of Mecca and Medina via the port of Jiddah.

Western, Eastern, Chinese and Turkish fronts
The war comes to a halt because of the heavy rains of Fall. Attrition however continues to be a serious drain.

German causalties all fronts: 60,000 (2 corps sized or 3 division sized units)
French casualties all fronts: 45,000 (1 corps sized unit)
Russian casualties all fronts: 80,000 (4 division or 2 corps sized units)
Polish casualties all fronts: 10,000 (no units lost)
Baltic casualties all fronts: 5,000 (no units lost)
Turkish casualties: 30,000 (1 corps sized or 2 division sized units lost)
Japanese casualties 60,000 (2 corps sized or 3 division sized units lost)
Imperial Chinese casualties: 60,000 (2 corps sized or 3 division sized units lost)
Spanish casualties all fronts: 20,000 (1 division sized unit)
Italian casualties all fronts: 30,000 (1 corps or 2 division sized units)
Siamese casualties: 2,000 (mostly to disease)
South African mercenary casualties: 2,000 (all to disease)

(Siam and South Africa lose only 10% of the above permanently)

Imperial China disbands 3 light infantry divisions

ooc
send TG telling me what and where you are disbanding units

IC
Meanwhile, in Siberia, with great difficulty, the Japanese are able to get their mired motorized infantry to the railhead at Chita, and finish repairs on the Siberian railroad that they control. The poor weather prevents those units from moving elsewhere as of yet.

In addition, the French have sufficient foreign volunteers to form 3 LE brigades, plus sufficient survivors to form another 2.
Ato-Sara
11-11-2006, 20:40
OOC: if someone can tell me what territory the Republic of Mengjiang has, I will update the Divided China map.
Haneastic
11-11-2006, 21:21
OOC: if someone can tell me what territory the Republic of Mengjiang has, I will update the Divided China map.

OOC: I could be wrong, but my Inner Mongolia and the western half of Mongolia
Kilani
11-11-2006, 22:05
Finland Liberated!

The new and independent nation of Finland has at last been granted independence by the gracious Russian government. Under a treaty signed with the SRC, the new nation of Finland will be leaving the cradle of the Russian Empire under friendly terms.

The treacherous forces under the traitor Mannerheim were driven from the country in heavy fighting and were consistently bested on the field of combat! Their attack on Vyborg-defeat! The Russian advance on Helsinki-defeat! And so it was that he was driven to hiding and will never be allowed to set foot in Finland again!

The Germanic puppet government is no more as the traitors and rebels have been driven deep into hiding in Germany. Those who killed the Tsar and treacherously turned on the Empire have been defeated and new nation has been created out of the ashes.

All of Finland must surely rejoice, as no longer are they under the sway of the treacherous and evil Germans.
Bazalonia
12-11-2006, 09:04
Free and Indendent Finland

In a Major coup for Denmark and the Scandinavian Regional Council member nations, A historic agreement signed by the members of the Scandinavian Regional Council and an esteemed Russian Guest just on the forecourt of the building that houses the SRC meeting rooms secured the independance of the Finnish people.

The agreement which imposed military restrictions as well required the so called "purchasing" of Finnish Independance showed that negotiation and discussion can and is more beneficial means of obtaining a goal compared to the inherint risks and associated loss of life that comes along side this war.

The agreement strengthens and solidifies the Scandinavian Regional Council as a political player on the world stage and for the first time all people in Scandinavia , all those that a share common history, a common brotherhood and a common region are managing their own affairs.

In related news King Christian X has accepted Mannerheim, the former leader of the Finnish Rebel government and current exhile as the newly created Finnish provisional government's ambassador to the state of Denmark.

Mannerheim despite propoganda from either side sought at great personal cost a free and independent Finland. There was no great battle that sealed a free and independent nation, nor was there a magnanimous gesture by the Russians who quickly put down the rebellion. Maybe the Tsar has finally worked out that his empire has become over stretched? Whatever the true reasons behind any involvement by German or Russians in this story it for once has a happy ending worthy of Hans Christian Anderson himself.
Ato-Sara
12-11-2006, 11:48
OOC: Iv'e updated the divided China map with what I think are the new territories. Please correct me if i'm wrong.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/ChinaDividedMap.png

Also done a nice little map that shows only the different nations, not the provinces.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/ChinaDividedMapN.png
Haneastic
12-11-2006, 16:25
OOC: Iv'e updated the divided China map with what I think are the new territories. Please correct me if i'm wrong.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/ChinaDividedMap.png

Also done a nice little map that shows only the different nations, not the provinces.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/ChinaDividedMapN.png

Hainan is independant and watched over by the Americans
Cylea
13-11-2006, 04:55
Excerpts from Teddy Roosevelt's State of the Union Address. December 18, 1912:

"...The United States of America must ready itself for all possible emergencies in this time of crisis. Our navy is already the envy of the globe--the stern protector of our golden shores. But the tragedy in Europe has inequivocally demonstrated that this nation's army must rapidly modernize to defend our great people..."

"...The United States cannot remain indifferent to the firestorm ravaging Europe, and especially not to what happens in the Atlantic Ocean and on its Western European shores..."*

The next few months are spent by Roosevelt in fevered meetings with incoming (or re-elected) Congressmen discussing the war and stump speeches across the country drawing citizen's attention to the world beyond American borders. Political commentators mention that although the President does not appear to be in quite the same physical shape as at his peak, that his zeal is still unchecked. The White House begins to quietly poll the various warring capitals to discover what the various sides would consider in a cease-fire agreement. (dont worry about responding to this. I have been talking on chatzy to people about this)

*Credit must be given to John Lukacs for this line credited to Roosevelt in his alternate history short story "The Election of Theodore Roosevelt, 1912" that can be found in What If 2?
Kilani
13-11-2006, 06:15
The Russian government publicly states that it would be willing to come to the table and negotiate based on the terms set forth by the United States of America.
Cylea
13-11-2006, 07:12
The Russian government publicly states that it would be willing to come to the table and negotiate based on the terms set forth by the United States of America.

A more formal declaration of these terms will occur sometime later in the year. (tentative target date is TR's inaugurational address in March) For some idea of what may be included, please see pg 24 of the United States thread, post 352. Which conveniently enough can be found here.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11934480&postcount=352
Ato-Sara
13-11-2006, 08:32
Hainan is independant and watched over by the Americans

Rodger rodger:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v671/lazyjim/ChinaDividedMap.png
Galveston Bay
13-11-2006, 18:27
Military forces 1913

Overall rules
Wartime military sizes
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11621353&postcount=1

Ground forces
Cost of ground units (Peacetime) and capabilities
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11621357&postcount=2
cost of ground units (wartime)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11801199&postcount=3


Naval forces
Naval capabilities
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11801195&postcount=2
naval costs and units
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11621363&postcount=3

Air forces
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11621365&postcount=4

New units 1913
flak division cost 2. maintenance .5 (2 wartime), build time 4 months
provides anti aircraft defense for critical areas
wartime flak division 2 points, maintenance 2, 4 months (movement by rail only)

air units
effective 1913, Germany, France, Italy, Russia, the US, and the UK (only) can build fighter plane units. Cost is 3, maintenance 1, range 2 hexes, build time 4 months (100 aircraft). Air combat rating is 2, no bombing or naval rating.

in addition, the nations above can also build light bomber units
cost is 3, maintenance 1, range 2 hexes, build time 4 months (100 aircraft),
air combat (1), bombing 1 or naval 1 (designate either as bomber or naval bomber),

Seaplane naval bomber, cost is 4, maintenance 2, range 4 hexes, build time 4 months (100 aircraft), air combat (1), bombing 1, naval bombing 1, US only for 1913

Nations may purchase air units from nations that build them if they lack an aviation industry of their own.

To acquire an aviation industry costs 100 points (which can be spread out), and referee approval. You must be tech level 5, and not be at war.

new stuff

note that in the rules it takes 6 months to train a unit from militia to regular in quality

however, if a militia unit survives 2 months on the line or a battle it becomes automatically conscript regular quality.
Galveston Bay
13-11-2006, 18:54
Weather January / February 1913

Winter in Arctic Weather zone
1. HQs may move 1 hex a turn
2. Units move normally
3. no air missions, chemical warfare
4. supply is 3 hexes instead of 4
5. Attrition is increased by 25% for units operating outside of their own country
6. No amphibious invasions or landings
7. Lakes remain as barriers, but rivers are frozen over. Swamps also remain as barriers.
8. All ports on Gulf of Finland, plus ports in Latvia, Estonia as well as all Russian ports on Pacific Ocean, plus Rostov, and Archangel are frozen, and remain that way until first month of mud or clear weather. Ships in a frozen port cannot move or conduct any combat except to defend the port they are in. All Siberian ports except Vladivostok are also frozen over

Mud in Northern Temperate, Mediterranean and South Monsoon Weather zones
effects:
HQ units and supply units cannot move cross country, which effectively makes them stuck where they are, and they can only supply units 2 hexes away on the Europe map instead of 4. Ports and cities connected to a rail line leading to home territory can also support any friendly unit within 2 hexes.

No air operations or amphibious landings.

Ground units can only move 1 hex (except for artillery, supply units, and HQ units which can't move at all)
Sukiaida
13-11-2006, 20:01
Spain states that it went to war as a defensive gesture, that German expansion is the sole cause of the war in Europe. ANd that Japanese expansionism is the sole cause of war in Asia. And that that war goals, would be simply to prevent Germany or Japan from their expansionist ways.
Galveston Bay
13-11-2006, 23:02
death toll and economic and other damage (ongoing as time allows)

resource changes
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11942871&postcount=527

casualties so far
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11928562&postcount=155

ooc
also take into account any shipping losses and factories destroyed or damaged

important updates
Safehaven2
14-11-2006, 00:52
January

Germany is officially anouncing the commencement of a blockade on the nations of Spain and France. Included in the anouncement is a gaurantee that Germany will follow all the international laws regarding such a blockade.
Galveston Bay
14-11-2006, 01:46
January

Germany is officially anouncing the commencement of a blockade on the nations of Spain and France. Included in the anouncement is a gaurantee that Germany will follow all the international laws regarding such a blockade.

ooc
the effects of this depend completely on what the Anglo-Americans do.

Under international law, the Coalition has to have warships available to physically stop maritime traffic from reaching Spanish and French ports, including the Mediterranean ones. This isn't really possible right now. To enforce a blockade, the Coalition will have to block Alliance access to the Indian Ocean (done), and Atlantic Ocean via the Straits of Gibraltar (not done), AND blockade with warships all of the Alliance ports on the Atlantic (not done, possible though).

OR

It could declare that the Atlantic ports of Spain and France, and the Straits of Gibraltar are closed to Allied Shipping and Neutral shipping carrying war materials to Alliance ports, which gives Coalition warships the right to stop and inspect neutral shipping in the Bay of Bengal, approaches to the Straits of Gibraltar, and of course the English Channel.

This will have a game effect, depending on whether or not the Coalition manages to gain control over those bodies of water.

Immediate game effect however is that a 5% reduction in production for Spain and France and Italy due to economic dislocation (price increases by neutral shipping).
[NS]Parthini
14-11-2006, 04:33
Britain points out that it will adhere to the German blockade, if and only if Germany is able to enforce it.

Meanwhile, events in the Indian Ocean have sparked outrage. Debate in Parliament reaches an all-time high as sides debate Japan and Siam's actions. How can the British Empire keep any sort of respect if a small buffer state has asserted its expansion?

The Anti-Japanese faction, led by First Lord of the Admiralty Winston Churchill, has infuriatingly demanded the withdrawl of the Japanese from the Indian Ocean. The success of the Asians in the East for many has sparked ideas of Indians, Persians and Burmese getting bad ideas of independance and all that. This, compounded with fears coming from both Australia and the Viceroyalty in India, has provided a strong anti-Japanese sentiment in Parliament.

Besides, many state, if the Japanese can defeat the French in Asia, why not the Dutch? And after that, then what? Churchill, among others, demands a stop to this unwarrented, yellow aggression.

Demands call for Japanese and Siamese withdrawl of the occupied French colonies in, or bordering the Indian Ocean. A warning that Britain also holds most of the trade going into Japan is also pointed out.

At the same time, 3 Dreadnoughts and various escorts head towards Singapore for temporary stationing.
Malkyer
14-11-2006, 05:35
France responds to recent British actions by stating, unsurprisingly, its support for the British call for Japanese and Siamese military forces to leave occupied French colonies in and along the Indian Ocean. Prime Minister Reynaud states that France will accept British stewardship of French India, Madagascar, and France's Indian Ocean territories until the end of the war, or until such time as France is able to reassert control over the territories in question (whichever occurs first).

The Italians are quietly informed that they should also accept British stewardship of Madagascar for the time being.
Middle Snu
14-11-2006, 08:21
Siam, while not responding officially at this time, does announce the creation of two new states on January 1, 1913: The Republic of East India, and the Democratic and Free Republic of the Southern Malagasy Peoples (also known as South Madagascar). However, according to Siam Siamese troops will remain in these new states for a "transition period."

OOC: Both are puppets of the Siamese government.
Galveston Bay
14-11-2006, 19:15
death toll and economic and other damage (ongoing as time allows)

resource changes
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11942871&postcount=527

casualties so far
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11928562&postcount=155

ooc
also take into account any shipping losses and factories destroyed or damaged

General rules regarding casualties in this era
for Germany, Poles, Balts, France, Italy (and if they enter, the US, British Empire, Belgium, Netherlands, Scandinavian countries)

10% killed in action, 10% die of wounds, 10% missing (unidentified dead usually), 30% permanently crippled, 10% POW, 30% wounded or injured and able to return to duty within 6 months.

Half of the permanently crippled can be returned to duty if you go to 15% mobilization, although they can only be used for garrison, fortress or militia type service or police service

other European countries and Japan, Siam
10% killed in action, 15% die of wounds, 10% missing, 30% permanently crippled, 10% POW, 25% wounded and able to return to duty

all other nations
10% killed in action, 25% die of wounds, 10% missing, 25% permanently crippled, 10% POW, 20% wounded and able to return to duty

ooc
levels of care are reflected, as well as availablity of long term care, medical expertise and infrastructure, general cultural attitude regarding wounded, and other factors. Casualty results will vary from war to war, and also on tech level. Reflects this war only at this time.

note casualty information
Kilani
14-11-2006, 19:25
New Russian ORBAT and total strength posted on Russian thread.
Galveston Bay
14-11-2006, 21:03
Atlantic and Africa January / February 1913

Coalition forces attack Dakar and then the rest of French Colonial Sub Saharan Africa.

In January, the Germans and Japanese provide cover to their invasion forces operating against the French garrison at Dakar. Here the Japanese make an assault landing with 2 marine brigades, heavily supported by naval gunfire support. Pinned down by a heavy barrage of naval guns, the French are unable to prevent the Japanese from getting ashore and establishing a beachhead. German light infantry divisions are landed next, and proceed to fight their way into Dakar under the heavy guns of Japanese and German warships. French resistance collapses, and surviving forces retreat north along the coast in the direction of Morocco.

The port is captured mostly intact (functions as a minor port until 3 points spent to repair it), giving the Coalition a deep water port dangerously close to the critical sea lanes to the Americas that the are vital to the Alliance.

In February, Siamese forces are landed unopposed at the French colonies of Dahomey and the Ivory Coast, much to the discomfort of British colonial officials in Nigeria, the Gold Coast and Sierra Leon. They become even more uncomfortable when German light infantry marches down and takes French Guinea unopposed.

Having accomplished its mission, the German South Atlantic Fleet then steams for home in early February. The poor weather at sea prevents any solid contact and in fact prevents German submarines from accomplishing anything either and the Battle of the Atlantic results in no casualties this winter.

However, heavy seas do cause the loss of the German protected cruiser Niobe, while an ammunition explosion destroys the French armored cruiser D'Entrecasteaux.

French casualties: 50,000 (45,000 POWs), 1 militia corps (which was a partially trained static infantry corps), 1 gunboat flotilla, 1 armored cruiser
German casualties: 2,000, 1 protected cruiser
Japanese casualties: 1,000
South African casualties: 500 (all sick, 10% die)

French Forces:
Rio Oro (Spanish Sahara) 2 French cavalry corps,

Spanish / French Forces available Bay of Bengal / Entrance to Straits of Gibraltar (out of position and unable to reach Dakar in time to prevent landing)
French 11th Fleet (based at Casablanca)
BC Fraternitie, CL CL Boucanier, Corsair, Vindicatif, Vengeance, Audacieux, Intrépide, 1 destroyer flotilla, 2 coast defense submarine flotillas
Spanish
Spanish 3rd Fleet (Gibraltar guard force)(at Cadiz, Spain)
CA Vizcaya, , Cataluna, plus 2 tech 5 destroyer flotillas, 1 tech 4.5 torpedo boat flotilla

Siamese forces
1 infantry corps (French Ivory Coast), 1 light infantry division (French Dahomey)

German forces (South Atlantic)
3 light infantry divisions (2 in Dakar, 1 in French Guinea), 1 SA cavalry division (Dakar), garrison division at German Southwest Africa, Cameroon / French Equatorial Africa

South Atlantic Fleet (has returned to Germany)
Japanese forces (based at Dakar)
BC Mogami, Mikuma, Chikuma, Chokai CL Tatsuta, Tenryu, Kiso, Kitakami, Kuma, Oi, Tama, Abukama, Isuzu, Kinu
BB1 Aki, Satsuma, Mikasa, Katori, Kashima, 2 destroyer flotillas, 3 transport units, 2 marine brigades
Kordo
14-11-2006, 23:19
The Austro-Hungarian Empire hereby calls on all nations involved in the conflict, regardless of which side they are on, to come to the peace table and end the bloody war that continues to rage and continues to kill thousands every week. The AHE firmly believes that negotiation is the only way to end the conflict and believes to ignore peace now is to doom the world to several years of more young men and innocent civilians dying.

It also quietly requests that the King of Norway, who proved himself a tact and neutral moderator in the Balkans War Scare, take the place of the moderator, if such a conference does indeed takes place.
Safehaven2
14-11-2006, 23:21
German troops move out to take over the job of garrisoning Pondicherry in order to ease Britian's mind.

(Resource still goes to Siam)
Sukiaida
14-11-2006, 23:22
Spain calls the blockade illegal, and ineffective as Germany continues to fail to realize that the huge chunks of it's land being eaten up by the Allies is making it's threats much less seemly in the eyes of the world. It also states Germany's crimes against humanity in trying to assasinate and succeeding in many ways, to kill the rest of the worlds monarchies, or to subjugate them.

While this is all severly bad. SPain would still be willing to go to the peace table. Though German and Japanese agressiveness must be noted in these meetings.
Safehaven2
14-11-2006, 23:25
Spain is laughed at in German military circles, whatever respect Spain's military once had in Germany vanished when its army gutted itself in a 4 month period accomplishing little in the Rhineland other than being cannon fodder for the more proficient French and Italians. It is also pointed out that their navy hasn't performed much better, spending the winter hiding in Cadiz harbor for fear of being smashed by the German fleet.
Haneastic
15-11-2006, 01:28
Japanese marines are lauded again for their excellent service in defeating the French.

Britain is informed that while no Japanese troops are present in the Indian Ocean, Japan respects Britain's possesions in Asia and will respect them.

Japan also informs Britain that the Dutch are a fine source of oil, and a war with the dutch would most likely mean a war with Brtain and quite possibly America, something Japan does not wish ever.
[NS]Parthini
15-11-2006, 03:40
As if Japanese in the Indian Ocean weren't enough, the Anti-Japanese Group has a near riot over the invasion of Dakar by Japanese soldiers. Japanese in the Atlantic? Preposterous? Where next? Dunkirk? Parliament is in agreement that something must be done. What, however, is still unsure.
Malkyer
15-11-2006, 03:48
In February, a cartoon appears in Le Monde, depicting West Africa on a globe, with a few German and Japanese troops standing in Dakar, huddling around a sickly Boer cavalryman, while lone German and Siamese soldiers stand in France's other colonies. A German soldier says to the Boer, "Don't worry, now you're in the middle of the desert a a thousand miles from home instead of the middle of the jungle a thousand miles from home."

Meanwhile, one of the Siamese soldiers says to his German counterpart, "Don't worry, it's not the Rhineland or Alsace-Lorraine, but it looks grander on the map, doesn't it?"

The caption reads simply, "Mixed Priorities."
Galveston Bay
15-11-2006, 09:52
ooc
quick rules note

When you acquire warships from a foreign power, you have to also come up with the crews. Now when you build a unit, the costs are included, but notice that when you bring a unit out of laid up status (mothballs), you have to spend 2 points and it takes 6 months to make it operational.

Part of this is the cost and time required to man the warship or unit of warship and part of it is dockyard time to get it ready for sea.

So far, when the Germans for example have been getting British build DNs and BCs, I have either taken crews away from predreadnoughts and added them to the mothball fleet, or instead of activating a ship out of reserve, have instead used those points and crews to man the new warship instead (and left a BB1 in reserve).

So if you get a ship from a foreign power you must either a) lay up another warship unit or b) spend 2 points and 4 months working up that unit before its combat ready

I will add this in to the military thread later on
Sukiaida
15-11-2006, 10:07
(What German respect for the SPanish army? You make it sound like the rest of Europe respected Spain to begin with. Since losing to the United States, no one takes Spain seriously, though in truth the SPanish army has nothing but victories under it's belt in this war. Costly victories to be certain, but victories none the less.)

Spain simply sits out to see what the grand neutral's attempts at peace pan out into. If nothing, then so be it. If something good, then good. If bad, then that bridge will be crossed.
Sukiaida
15-11-2006, 19:23
OOC: COnsidering that peace talks have been recommended, and it seems Germany has at least shown some willingness to go to them, shouldn't we at least start? Or see who is willing to go to the peace talks and who isn't?
Galveston Bay
15-11-2006, 19:39
War in the East January / February 1913

The Russians decide to launch a limited offensive against German forces to inflict casualties and force them to commit scarce reserves. Further north, Russian forces advance on Murmansk, and the Germans evacuate the city after destroying the port (will take 3 points to repair it). Meanwhile, elsewhere on the front, the winter snow and rains keep both sides on the defensive.

Battle of Mahilyow
East of Minsk, the Germans have a single corps and it is attacked by 6 Russian heavy corps under the command of General Ivanov. Both sides suffer heavy losses, and the Russians secure the area. The Germans are forced to commit their strategic reserve (1 heavy infantry corps) and restore the line further west. The Germans then strip the front further south, put together an attack force, and counterattack with 5 heavy infantry corps of their own, and an artillery corps originally slated to go to the Western Front, throwing the Russians back and restoring the front.

Russian losses: 87,000, 3 heavy infantry corps reduced to 3 light infantry divisions
German losses: 65,000, 2 heavy infantry corps reduced to 2 light infantry divisions

Attrition casualties Eastern Front
Russian – 100,000 (2 corps sized units to disband)
German – 50,000 (1 corps sized unit to disband, a replacement unit used up)
Polish – 20,000 (1 corps sized unit reduced to division size or 1 division disbands, static infantry broken down into a light infantry division)
Ukrainian – 5,000 (no unit losses)
Balt – 5,000 (no unit losses)

OB will be provided at start of March turn
Sukiaida
15-11-2006, 21:47
Spain sees that both Germany and France and Austria Hungary are interested in peace talks. As Spain wishes a more neutral setting, it offers Tangier as a possible meeting place. As Tangier is a German enclave of Morocco, but currently Spanish occupied, it might be a good location. It also is a symbol of when France, SPain, and Germany spent time trying to be friends rather than killing eachother on mass. As a colony it would symbolize the colonial ambitions of many nations. (Sans Spain.)

As such, it might be a good idea for an armistace to prevent anymore death while we wait to see if the peace accords bring forth. No use in having more death until peace has been attempted.

(Aka lets set up a seperate peace thread so this doesn't clog this or other threads.)
Malkyer
15-11-2006, 21:51
<snip>

France thanks Spain for its support of efforts for peace, but suggests a truly neutral location (i.e. the United States, Britain, or Switzerland) as a location for peace talks, should they occur.

OOC: I would imagine a Peace Talk Thread will be started should talks actually begin. Don't post in every thread about starting them to avoid clogging threads; it defeats the purpose of a separate thread.
Sukiaida
15-11-2006, 21:59
Spain would recommend the United States, as they title themselves the "melting pot" they would most likely be the most neutral, and seperated from the politics of Europe. The neutral European powers are a little too close to home for this. We'd recommend perhaps New York City as the spot. Spain also trusts the President to make a good mediator.

Also Spain wonders how Japan shall fit into this? They ahve shown no interest in the peace talks.
Galveston Bay
15-11-2006, 23:13
IC
Arabia January-February 1913
Arab Volunteers flock to Mecca and Medina to fight the infidels (ooc: Ottoman is trying to raise some units here). Among them are leading members of the Saud and Hashimite Clans

ooc
no lectures, NPC plans afoot

IC
Turkish, Alpine, Western, Siberian fronts
attrition continues
Rumanian casualties: 2,000 (no units)
Russian casualties (Turkey/Mideast) 50,000 (1 static corps dissolved for replacements)
Turkish casualties: 20,000 (1 light infantry division dissolved)
French casualties: 80,000 (all fronts)(4 divisions needing to be broken up or 2 corps)
Spanish casaulties: 30,000 (all fronts)(1 corps sized unit needing to be broken up)
German casualties (other fronts then Eastern) 45,000 (1 corps sized unit)
no other significant casualties


Chinese front
Imperial Chinese forces continue to aggressively patrol and raid, resulting in continued high attrition
Imperial Chinese casualties: 50,000 (1 militia corps)
Japanese casualties 20,000 (1 replacement unit)

ooc
casualties and troop locations to be posted later
Galveston Bay
15-11-2006, 23:16
March / April 1913
Spring comes early everywhere

Clear all weather zones

Meanwhile

An unusual flu bug breaks out in Persia, and begins to spread around the world

ooc
say hello to the Spanish Flu, a few years early
(evil grin)

needless to say, NO player action is allowed on this, as germ theory is barely understood, and pandamics barely at all, and governments have other things to worry about.

Look up the Spanish Flu, figure out what your nation took in casaulties historically each year for the next 2 years. That is what you take in deaths.

a link will be provided later.
Cylea
16-11-2006, 04:49
In his unprecedented third Inaugural Address, President Theodore Roosevelt concentrates much of his time on the global crisis. A massive crowd turns out for the speech, the largest yet, and they are rewarded by a cool temperature in the mid-50 degrees. From the East Portico of the Capitol, Roosevelt addresses the nation, and for perhaps the first time in history for an Inaugural Address, the world.

Relevant Excepts from the Speech are below:

“The current war raging in Europe and across the globe can only be described as a disaster for civilized peoples everywhere. Millions of casualties have been suffered and with no clear end to the horror in sight, clearer heads must prevail.

Even on our quiet shores we have heard tales of the greatest atrocities and violations of the conventional rules of war, in Armenia, the Balkans, and in the Baltic Sea. The continuation of the war is not in the interests of the United States, and this behavior in particular is not in the interests of mankind.

Therefore, the Government of the United States of America, upon careful consultations with the governments of the Coalition and the Allied causes, proposes an immediate cessation of all hostilities at land and sea by both sides and the convening of a peace conference in New York City with all warring powers present. The United Kingdom and the Scandinavians are invited as neutral powers to assist the US in moderating. The end results of this conference are of course negotiable, but the United States, with a vested interest in the proceedings proposes the following terms…”

The Roosevelt Administration eagerly awaits the reply of the world’s nations. Pressure is put on the Democrats in Congress to recognize the neutrality of the proposed terms and how eager Roosevelt is to avoid war.

*******

OOC: mostly because I don’t want to refer to “1939 borders” in an IC speech, I will explain the rest of this here.

Western Front: the provinces of Alsace and Lorraine should be returned to the Republic of France and the resources of the Saarland split between Germany and France. The remainder of occupied Germany will be returned to that nation.

Eastern Front: the three Baltic States should be given independence and a Poland should be created from Russian, Austrian, and German territory. All four of these new nations should remain unaligned and their neutrality in potential future conflicts respected. The remaining occupied Russian territory should be returned to that nation

Balkans: Greece reverts to pre-war border. Rumania gets 1939 border minus Transylvania (still Austrian). Rumanian army limited to 100,000 men, air force to one unit, and navy to no capital ships. Serbia can remain an Austrian province.

Ottoman Empire: Maintains all of Modern Turkey plus the bit of Thrace they had earlier. Kurdistan and Armenia become independent and other Arab lands under allied occupation.

Asia: Japan keeps no Russian territory. The Japanese Mongolian client state may remain independent using only territory that was Japanese before the start of the war. Conversely the Japanese may pay the Russians for the northern half of Sakhalin Island (15 points). Peace treaty between Imperial China and Japan. American economic pressures will end. (Note that these terms are harsher due to American hostility toward Japanese “opportunism”)

Colonies: Germans keep French Equatorial Africa but all other Colonies (with the following exception) revert to pre-war status. As the issue over French Indochina is so heated, the US proposes that Siam and France work that out as a separate issue so as to not derail the rest of the peace process. However, Washington would suggest an independent Indochina if possible.

Other: No reparations unless to make up for the shift from these terms or in reference to Indochina. (France may pay Germany to keep Equatorial Africa for example). Everybody has too much to worry about with clean up (and paying me back! :p ) to waste money on these. Investigations into Russian submarine warfare, Austrian actions in Serbia, and Ottoman actions in Armenia are to be commissioned by independent actors.

Please post your nation’s willingness to negotiate under these terms on the Great War thread. I would emphasize that if just one of these terms is particularly bad that you at least considering coming to the peace conference to try to negotiate things more your way. I will post a conference thread when/if I hear from the major powers involved (basically Russia, Germany, Austria, France with Japan and the Ottomans and anybody else coming as a bonus)
Kilani
16-11-2006, 04:53
Russian diplomats indicate that their government is willing to come to the table with these terms.
Malkyer
16-11-2006, 04:59
The Third French Republic informs Washington that it is willing to come to the table, and discuss peace.
Middle Snu
16-11-2006, 05:34
Siam notes that it is willing to come to the table, but does not expect much as the Americans have dodged the issue of Indochina and merely suggested that Siam work out a deal with the Imperialistic French, who have proved unwilling to negotiate on this matter. In its own defense, Siam lays out the following points. (OOC: All governments would know these, but just wanted to clarify them.)

1. The French territories of Cambodia and Laos were once Siamese, but seized from Siam through force and intimidation.
2. While still named the Empire of Siam, the current Siamese government is an equal partnership betwen the King of Siam and the Emperor of Vietnam, with plans for unification under a single monarch in the future, not a Siamese domination of Indochina.
3. Siam has repeatedly pressed for peace with France once its primary mission of ending the French domination of Indochina was accomplished, but has been met with French terms entailing huge payments, return of Indochina, and occasional threats of total Siamese destruction.
4*. Siam argues that while France was in Indochina, the Siamese people could never be safe. France repeatedly threatened to "burn Bangkok" and wanted to bring the Siamese state under domination.

Siam asks that all nations consider these points in their statements towards Siam.


*this comes from many, many threats that Malkyer and Amestria have made towards Siam, both in and out of game.
[NS]Parthini
16-11-2006, 06:01
The United Kingdom agrees to send representatives to the peace discussions as a neutral observer. Britain also suggests that possibly Laos and Cambodia be given to Siam, but create a separate Vietnam, since that is obviously the biggest block towards peace.
Galveston Bay
16-11-2006, 06:54
IC
Arabia January-February 1913
Arab Volunteers flock to Mecca and Medina to fight the infidels (ooc: Ottoman is trying to raise some units here). Among them are leading members of the Saud and Hashimite Clans

ooc
no lectures, NPC plans afoot

IC
Turkish, Alpine, Western, Siberian fronts
attrition continues
Rumanian casualties: 2,000 (no units)
Russian casualties (Turkey/Mideast) 50,000 (1 static corps dissolved for replacements)
Turkish casualties: 20,000 (1 light infantry division dissolved)
French casualties: 80,000 (all fronts)(4 divisions needing to be broken up or 2 corps)
Spanish casaulties: 30,000 (all fronts)(1 corps sized unit needing to be broken up)
German casualties (other fronts then Eastern) 45,000 (1 corps sized unit)
Japanese casualties: (TBD)
no other significant casualties


Chinese front
Imperial Chinese forces continue to aggressively patrol and raid, resulting in continued high attrition
(casualties to be determined (TBD)

ooc
casualties and troop locations to be posted later

update
Galveston Bay
16-11-2006, 06:55
Situation Balkans, Turkey and Mideast March 1, 1913

Coalition Forces
Army Group H (Southern Balkans)
Athens: 1 Austrian infantry corps, 1 Bulgarian infantry corps, 1 Bulgarian Police division, Austrian General Dankl
Korkyu: 1 Albanian light infantry brigade
Tirane: 1 Albanian static infantry corps
Salonikia: 2 Bulgarian infantry corps
Patrai: 1 Bulgarian light infantry division
Kalamai: 1 Bulgarian light infantry division
Bucharest: 2 Bulgarian cavalry divisions
Belgrade: 1 Austrian police division

Army Group L (Turkey)
Hex east of Trabzon: 1 infantry corps
Hex southeast of Trabzon: 1infantry corps
Trabzon: 1 observation plane unit, 2 light infantry divisions, 1 Austrian infantry corps,
Hex 2 hexes directly south of Trabzon: 2 light infantry divisions, 1 Austrian infantry corps
Hex 2 hexes west of Mersen: 1 infantry corps, 1 German heavy infantry corps
Hex 4 hexes south of Sinop: 1 heavy infantry corps, 1 light infantry division
Ankara: 1 light infantry division, 1 observation plane unit, 2 Austrian cavalry corps
Hex 4 hexes east of Ankara: 2 infantry corps
Istanbul: 1 garrison unit, 1 static infantry corps, 1 coast defense
fortress, 1 light infantry brigade,
Troy (clear hex on Asian side of entrance to Dardenelles from Aegean) 2
cavalry divisions
Smyrnia: 2 light infantry divisions

German / Austrian fleet available for action (based at Istanbul)
German BB1 Mecklenberg, Kaiser Wilhem
Austrian BB1 Wien, Budapest,
German CA Furst Bismark
1 German destroyer flotilla,
available is Admiral Horthy (Austrian)

Turkish naval forces available
Istanbul: CP Hamidieh, 2 motor torpedo boat flotilla, plus 1 naval base
Smyrna: 4 motor torpedo boat flotilla, plus 1 naval base

Bulgarian naval forces available:
Varna: 1 Bulgarian motor torpedo boat flotilla

Coalition forces in Mideast
Mecca: 1 garrison unit , 1 Saudi cavalry division, 1 Hashamite cavalry division
Medina: 1 garrison unit

Alliance forces Balkans, Turkey and Mideast
Italian / Greek 6th Fleet (escort shipping in Eastern Mediterranean) (2 BB, 8 CP, 40 DD, 20 TB, 20 PG) (based at Suda Bay, Crete at the newly constructed Greek naval base)
Italian BB2 Ruggerio de Lauria, Francesco Morosini, Dandola with Admiral Luigi di Savoia
Italian CP Dogali, Etna, Vesuvio, Stromboli, Ettore Fieramosca, Giovanni Bausan
Greek CP Nauarchos Miaoulis plus 2 tech 4.5 destroyer flotillas, 1 tech 4.5 torpedo boat flotilla, 1 gunboat flotilla
Greek BBC1 Hydra, Spetzal

Crete: 2 Greek light infantry divisions, 1 Greek marine brigade

Allied Expeditionary Forces Turkey
Russian forces:
Erezum: 3 light infantry divisions, 1 static infantry corps,
Batumi: 1 HQ, General Yedonich,
Basra: 1 garrison corps,
Baghdad: 1 garrison corps, 1 static corps
Hex southeast of Batumi: 2 static infantry corps

Kurdish forces
Hex 5 hexes north of Mosul: 2 militia corps

French forces:
5 hexes northeast of Alexandretta: 1 cavalry corps
Mersen: 1 infantry corps (Algerian), 5 light infantry divisions, General Castelnau
Hex northwest of Adana: 1 infantry corps
Hex northeast of Adana: 2 infantry corps (Algerian)
Adana: 1 cavalry corps, 1 HQ, General Geruad
Haifa: 1 Jewish militia division
Beriut: 1 Christian militia division
Jerusalem: 1 cavalry corps (Algerian)
Amman: 1 cavalry corps (Algerian)
Damascus: 1 cavalry corps
Alexandretta: 2 marine brigades

Rumanian forces
Alexandretta: 4 Rumanian light infantry divisions, General Averescu
Hex northeast of Adana: 4 Rumanian light infantry divisions

ooc
some corrections possible
Galveston Bay
16-11-2006, 07:09
Coalition forces Eastern Front March 1, 1913
German Army Group B
Talinn – 2 Baltic infantry corps, 1 observation aircraft wings, 1 HQ,
2 hexes southeast of Helsinki – 1 German heavy infantry corps, 1 Polish heavy infantry corps,
2 hexes west of Pskov – 1 German heavy infantry corps, 1 Polish heavy infantry corps,
2 hexes east of Riga – 1 German heavy infantry corps, 1 Polish heavy infantry corps,
Riga – 1 observation plane unit, General Hindenburg

German Army Group C
hex 3 hexes northeast of Vilna – 2 German heavy infantry corps
Hex 2 hexes west of Vitbsk – 2 German heavy infantry corps
Hex 2 hexes northeast of Minsk – 2 German heavy infantry corps
hex 2 hexes southwest of Vitbsk – 2 German heavy infantry corps,
Hex 2 hexes east of Minsk – 2 German heavy infantry corps,
Hex east of Minsk – 1 German heavy infantry corps, 2 German light infantry divisions, 1 German artillery corps, General Von Mackenson
Minsk – 1 German HQ, 1 observation plane unit, 1 garrison unit

German Army Group G
2 hexes southwest of Minsk – 1 Polish static infantry corps
3 hexes southwest of Minsk – 1 Polish light infantry division
4 hexes southwest of Minsk – 1 Polish infantry corps
hex southwest of Kiev - 1 HQ, 1 Ukrainian infantry corps
Kiev – 2 heavy infantry corps, 2 observation plane units,
hex southeast of Kiev – 2 heavy infantry corps, Crown Prince
hex 2 hexes northwest of Dnepetrovsk - 1 heavy infantry corps, 1 Polish
static infantry corps

German Army Group D
Wooded hex northwest of Dnepopetrovsk- 2 Ukrainian infantry corps, 1 Austrian infantry corps
Dnepopetrovsk – 1 Ukrainian infantry corps, 1 Austrian observation plane unit, 2 Austrian infantry corps
Hex west of Dnepopetrovsk – 2 Austrian infantry corps
Hex southeast of Ukraine resource hex – 2 Ukrainian infantry corps
Nikolayev – 2 Ukrainian infantry corps
Ukraine resource hex – 1 Austrian HQ, 2 Austrian heavy infantry corps, 1 Austrian motorized infantry brigade, General Conrad
Odessa: 1 German heavy infantry corps, General Hoffman

German Reserves
Warsaw:1 garrison unit, 1 HQ, 1 German observation plane unit

Russian forces Eastern Front end of February 1913
Arctic Front
Murmansk: 1 static infantry corps

Russian Baltic Front
Petrograd – 1 coast defense unit, 1 fortress infantry corps, 1 observation aircraft wing
forest hex 2 hexes south Vyborg – 1 fortress corps, 2 militia corps
swamp hex west of Pskov -- 1 fortress infantry corps, 2 militia corps
Pskov – 1 HQ, 1 militia cavalry corps, 1 observation aircraft wing, 1 milita corps
Southwest of Pskov – 1 infantry corps, 2 static infantry corps, 1 militia corps

Russian Central Front
hex 3 hexes east of Minsk: 1 static infantry corps, 1 heavy infantry corps
hex 4 hexes east of Minsk – 1 fortress corps, 1 static infantry corps, 1 militia corps,
wooded hex 2 hexes south of Vitbsk – 1 fortress corps, 1 static infantry corps, 1 militia corps
Hex east of Vitbsk – 1 HQ, 1 observation plane unit
wooded hex west of Vitbsk – 1 infantry corps, 2 static infantry corps, 1 militia cavalry corps

Russian Ukraine
Forest hex 2 hexes north Kiev – 1 static infantry corps, 1 militia corps
Hex 2 hexes west of Kursk – 1 HQ unit
Hex northeast of Kiev – 2 static infantry corps, 2 observation aircraft units
Hex east of Kiev –2 static infantry corps,
Hex 2 hexes east of Kiev – 1 static infantry corps, 1 militia corps, 1 militia cavalry corps
Hex 2 hexes west of Kharkov – 1 static infantry corps, 1 militia cavalry corps, 1 militia corps

hex northeast of Dnepopetrovsk – 2 militia cavalry corps, 1 milita corps
hex east of Dnepopetrovsk – 2 static infantry corps,
Hex – 2 militia corps, 1 static infantry corps,
Hex – 2 militia corps, 1 static infantry corps
Hex – 1 militia cavalry corps, 1 militia corps

Russian Navy:
Baltic: BC Borodino, Kutusov , Suvarov, Prince Bagration, Markarov, 1 minesweeper flotilla, CP Aurora, 1 coast defense submarine flotilla

Damaged: BC Borodino (2 points to repair, 4 months), Kutusov (1 point, 2 months), 1 torpedo boat flotilla (1 point, 2 months

Black Sea: 3 MTBs, 1 DD Flotilla
Galveston Bay
16-11-2006, 07:14
IC
Arabia January-February 1913
Arab Volunteers flock to Mecca and Medina to fight the infidels (ooc: Ottoman is trying to raise some units here). Among them are leading members of the Saud and Hashimite Clans

ooc
no lectures, NPC plans afoot

IC
Turkish, Alpine, Western, Siberian fronts
attrition continues
Rumanian casualties: 2,000 (no units)
Russian casualties (Turkey/Mideast) 50,000 (1 static corps dissolved for replacements)
Turkish casualties: 20,000 (1 light infantry division dissolved)
French casualties: 80,000 (all fronts)(4 divisions needing to be broken up or 2 corps)
Spanish casaulties: 30,000 (all fronts)(1 corps sized unit needing to be broken up)
German casualties (other fronts then Eastern) 45,000 (1 corps sized unit)
no other significant casualties


Chinese front
Imperial Chinese forces continue to aggressively patrol and raid, resulting in continued high attrition
Imperial Chinese casualties: 50,000 (1 militia corps)
Japanese casualties 20,000 (1 replacement unit)


1913 completed
Abbassia
16-11-2006, 09:11
Balkans: Greece reverts to pre-war border. Rumania gets 1939 border minus Transylvania (still Austrian). Rumanian army limited to 100,000 men, air force to one unit, and navy to no capital ships. Serbia can remain an Austrian province.

Unfortunately, Rumania has lost Dobrudja (all of Dobrudja) due to its Belligerant attempt to annex Bulgaria in the First Balkan war (and thus cannot exactly revert back to its 1939 borders, maybe revert back minus Transylvanian and minus Dobrudja), also Bulgaria will demand the return of the rightfully Bulgarian Territories of Salonika and Greek Macedonia (see the treaty of San Stefano) and reparations from Greece for its SECOND unwarranted aggression against Bulgaria and its utter violation of the Oslo Peace accords.
New Dornalia
16-11-2006, 10:21
The Republic of China issues an edict confirming its neutrality, but allowing its citizens to volunteer for the conflict in the armies of other nations, regardless of alliance, if that army will pay for basic expenses.

OOC: Basically, hiring out mercenaries. Pay standard rates for initial purchase and upkeep, and you can get the requested men from me.
Malkyer
16-11-2006, 12:48
1. The French territories of Cambodia and Laos were once Siamese, but seized from Siam through force and intimidation.
2. While still named the Empire of Siam, the current Siamese government is an equal partnership betwen the King of Siam and the Emperor of Vietnam, with plans for unification under a single monarch in the future, not a Siamese domination of Indochina.
3. Siam has repeatedly pressed for peace with France once its primary mission of ending the French domination of Indochina was accomplished, but has been met with French terms entailing huge payments, return of Indochina, and occasional threats of total Siamese destruction.
4*. Siam argues that while France was in Indochina, the Siamese people could never be safe. France repeatedly threatened to "burn Bangkok" and wanted to bring the Siamese state under domination.

Siam asks that all nations consider these points in their statements towards Siam.

France offers its own response to the Siamese points concerning Indochina:

1. The territories of Laos and Cambodia were indeed Siamese at one point, but were handed over to France through treaty. Quebec and much of the current United States were once French, but were handed over through treaties. France has not attacked either Britain or the United States because of territories it no longer has legal claim too; Siam, however, has.

2. Siam's entry into the war was a blatant attempt at grabbing land; there has been no evidence that Siam truly wishes for an equal partnership with the Indochinese. The Siamese government is merely replacing a European colonial government with an Asian one.

3. Siam has pressed for peace, but has rejected reasonable French terms (payment loss of life and property, and an independent Indochina). Paris feels no guilt for rejecting peace with Siam when peace only further served the ends of the traitorous Siamese.

4. France did not break the Franco-Siamese Non-Aggression Pact. It was Siamese troops who invaded Indochina. France had even given Siam guarantees of its independence years before the war started. France was fully prepared to work towards lasting friendship with the Siamese people, but that government rejected peace and friendship for territory. Siamese statements that France was a danger to Siam are simply ludicrous.

That said, France will still talk peace, because the potential millions of lives that could be saved by peace must take precedence over French honor.

*OOC: These threats were OOC, on Chatzy, and usually followed by a smiley face. I am not going to address this point.
Middle Snu
16-11-2006, 16:19
OOC: Just to clarify beyond the usual propaganda from both sides, Siam is in fact currently an equal partnership between the King of Siam and the Emperor of Vietnam. Just to clear things up.
Rodenka
16-11-2006, 16:36
The Rumanian Government-In-exile agrees to send a representitive to the peace talks, but that they want assurances that they will have the rightfully Rumanian territory of Northern Dobruja (at least) returned to them.
Amestria
16-11-2006, 17:08
OOC: Just to clarify beyond the usual propaganda from both sides, Siam is in fact currently an equal partnership between the King of Siam and the Emperor of Vietnam. Just to clear things up.

OOC: No it is not. You are the Siamese player and you are in control.

OOC: These threats were OOC, on Chatzy, and usually followed by a smiley face. I am not going to address this point.

OOC: Yeah, I can't speak for Malkyer but France never made such statements IC when I was its player, it was all OOC (and I at one point wanted to utterly destroy Siam, although Siam at the time would not have known that given it never got out of the look at a map stage). Malkyer from what I can tell was very friendly to Siam. Using OOC threats as if they actually happened IC is most unfair. The French never threatened to "burn Bangkok" as Snu describes, end of story.
Sukiaida
16-11-2006, 19:29
Spain is willing to go to the peace center, though Spain simply wishes to have an assurance of peace and German Non Expansionism. It could have once done this with a Non-Aggression Pact, but obviously those are not worth the paper they were written on.

Serbia being Austrian seems as unfair, and would be severly detrimental to the cause of peace. Serbia should remain an independent nation, even if it is monitored. Austrian subjugation of the Slav race is extremelly detrimental.

In relation to the colonies, Morocco brings certain question. Currently Spain holds Tangier and Rabat. WHile not minding to return this, Rio Muni would be requested to be returned to Spain. While given in times of peace, it is clear that strategically Spain needs this colony to protect itself. Other than that, Spain follows it's allies. SPain never went into this war for material gain, but defensivly.
Galveston Bay
16-11-2006, 20:00
Situation March 1, 1913 Western Front, Atlantic, North Africa, Alpine Front
Allied Forces
Army Group North-
Hex northwest of Cologne-2 French Infantry Corps, 1 Spanish infantry corps
Cologne hex- 2 Italian Corps, 1 French heavy corps, 1 siege arty
brigade
Aachen hex-3 Spanish infantry corps, 1 Spanish siege artillery brigade, 1 Spanish supply unit, 2 observation aircraft unit, Spanish General Sanjurjo
Hex east of Aachen-3 French heavy corps, 1 Spanish infantry corps, General Foch

Army Group Center-
Saarbrucken hex-2 Heavy Infantry Corps, 2 Infantry Corps, 2 siege arty
brigades, 1 observation plane unit
Strasbourg hex-3 Heavy Infantry Corps, General Joffre, 1 siege arty
brigade, 1 observation plane unit
Metz hex-1 Fortress Corps, 1 French Infantry Corps, 1 HQ

Army Group South-
Hex southwest of Strasbourg-2 French heavy corps, 1 siege arty brigade,
2 French infantry corps
Two hexes southwest of Strasbourg-4 French infantry corps, General Petain
Hex southwest of Metz-2 French Infantry corps, 1 Spanish Static Corps,
1 HQ

Additional reserves:
Verdun: 1 Spanish Static corps, 1 French Fortress Corps, 2 Italian Static infantry corps, Italian General Cardona
Hex west of Verdun: 4 Italian Static Corps,

Alpine Front
NEED INFORMATION, NUMBERS, and DEPLOYMENT OF ITALIAN ARMY AS SOON AS POSSIBLE

Spanish / French Forces available Bay of Bengal / Entrance to Straits of Gibraltar
French 11th Fleet (based at Casablanca)
BC Fraternitie, CL CL Boucanier, Corsair, Vindicatif, Vengeance, Audacieux, Intrépide, 1 destroyer flotilla, 2 coast defense submarine flotillas
Spanish
Spanish 3rd Fleet (Gibraltar guard force)(at Cadiz, Spain)
CA Vizcaya, , Cataluna, plus 2 tech 5 destroyer flotillas, 1 tech 4.5 torpedo boat flotilla

Allied Atlantic Escort Force (5th Fleet) ((Admiral de Lapeyrère)
BB1 Suffern, Massena, Charlemagne, Charles Martel,
Spanish BB1 Pelayo, Santo Cristo
CA Ernest Renan, Conde, Sully, Amiral Charner, Bruix, Latouche Treville, CP D'Estrees, , Guichen, , D'Assas, Cassard, Du Chayla, Catinat, Bugead, Spanish CP Lepanto, Estramadura
Plus 1 tech 5 destroyer flotilla, 1 Spanish tech level 5 destroyer flotilla

French 9th Fleet (Channel Fleet
1 tech level 5 destroyer flotilla, 1 tech 4.5 destroyer flotilla, 1x Torpedo Boat Flotilla, 1 coast defense submarine flotilla,

French ships in dockyard needing repairs:
Damaged: BC Tavernier (2 points, 12 months), Fraternitie (1 point, 6 months), CA Gloire (2 points, 12 months), Desaix (1 point, 6 months), CP Alger (1 point, 12 months)

Spanish ships needing repairs
CA Almirante Oquendo, Princesa de Asturias (each costs .5 points to repair and will take 6 months in a naval yard to fix).

French forces in North Africa
Morocco: 3 cavalry corps, 1 Moroccan static infantry corps
Algeria: 1 infantry corps, 1 light infantry division

Other Spanish Forces
Madrid: 1 static Corps, 1 Cavalry Division
Tangiers: 1 mountain Divisions,
Cueta: 1 fortress, 1 light infantry division
Melilla: 1 light infantry brigade, 1 mountain division, 1 fortress
RIF (Spanish Sahara) 1 light infantry division, 2 garrison units
Baleric Islands:1 Light Infantry Unit (Marines)
Canary Islands:1 Light Infantry Unit (Marines)

Italian forces in North Africa
Algeria: 6 infantry corps, General Diaz
Libya ?
Galveston Bay
16-11-2006, 20:03
Situation March 1, 1913 Western Front, Alpine Front, Atlantic Ocean and Africa
Coalition Forces
Army Group L (all German)
Dusseldorf – 2 infantry corps, General Von Hutier
Hex southeast of Dusseldorf – 1 static infantry corps, 2 heavy infantry
corps,
Frankfurt – 3 heavy infantry corps, 1fortress corps
Karlsruhe – 3 heavy infantry corps, 2 siege artillery brigades, 1 fighter unit, 1 observation plane unit,
2 hexes east of Cologne – 1 heavy infantry corps, 1 artillery corps,

Army Group F (all German)
Stuttgart – 2 heavy infantry corps, 1 infantry corps, 2 siege artillery brigades
Hex southwest of Stuttgart – 1 fortress infantry corps, 1 heavy infantry corps
Hex northwest of Zurich – 1 fortress infantry corps, 1 heavy infantry corps
Hex southeast of Stuttgart –1 light infantry division, 1 motorized HQ, 1 motorized infantry brigade, 2 siege artillery brigades, General Hindenburg
Available on for use -2 ammo stockpile, 2 chem stockpiles

Army Group A (German / Austrian)
2 hexes east of Zurich: 1 German fortress infantry corps, 1 Austrian static infantry corps, German Crown Prince
hex southeast of Munich: 2 German mountain divisions
Trieste: 1 Austrian fortress corps, 2 Austrian static infantry corps, 1 Austrian HQ, 1 Austrian observation plane unit, Austrian General Boroević
Hex northeast of Trieste: 1 Austrian fortress corps, 1 Austrian Static infantry corps
Zara: 1 Austrian fortress corps
Pola: 1 Austrian fortress corps
Split: 1 Austrian light infantry division
Dubrovnik: 1 Austrian light infantry division

Austrian Adriatic Fleet:
BB1 Erzherzog Karl, Erzherzog Friedrich
CL Erzherzog Franz Ferdinand, Radetzky, Zrinyi
CA Sankt Georg, Kaiser Karl IV, KK Maria Teresa
CP KF Joseph I, K Elizabeth, Zenta
1 destroyer flotilla

High Seas Fleet (Admiral Hipper, Graf Spee) (at Kiel)
DN Prinzregent Luitpold, Kaiserin, Frederich de Grosse, Konig, Konig Albert,
BC Moltke, Seydlitz, Derrflinger, Von Der Tann, Goeben
CL Frieburg, Rostock, Graudenz, Konigsburg, Graudenz, Jager, Jagdkatze, Jagdhund, Seejagdhund, Jagd-Falke, Leipzig, Emden, Dresden, Karlsruhe, Straussburg, Stralsund, Kolberg, Stettin, Stuttgart, Berlin, Munchen, Munchen, Breslau, Nurnburg,
1 long range submarine flotilla
plus Admirals Hipper and Graf Spee

Home Fleet (also escorts convoys to North America and covers Baltic Sea)(Admiral Scheer,) (at Kiel)
DN Rheinland, Posen, Westfalen, Oldenburg,
BB1 Hannover, Braunschweig, Hessen, Hannover Lothringen, Wittelsbach, Wettin, Zahringen, Braunschweig
CA Roon, Prinz Adalbert, Friedrich Karl,
CP Gazelle, Frauenlob, Amazone, Coln
1 destroyer flotilla
1 minesweeper flotilla
Plus Admiral Scheer

Baltic Fleet (at Tallin)
2 motor torpedo boat flotillas

Pacific Fleet
1 gunboat flotilla (Truk)

Mothball fleet
BB1,Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse, Kaiser Barbarossa, BB2 Hilderbrand, Hagen, Odin, Agir, Siegfried, Beowulf, Frithjof, Heimdall, CP1 Victoria Louise, Hertha, Freya, Vineta, Hansa, Bussard, Falke, Seeadler, Condor, Cormoran, Geier, Hela, Gefion, Irene, Prinzess Wilhelm, Kaserin Augusta, 2 torpedo boat flotillas

In dockyard needing repairs:
Damaged: DN Kaiser (5 points, 10 months), Prinzregent Luitpold (4 points, 8 months), Kaiserin (2 points, 4 months), CA Prinz Adalbert (2 points, 8 months), Friedrich Karl (1 point, 5 months), CP Ariadne (1 point, 12 months), Amazone (.5 points, 5 months), CL Bremerhaven (1 point, 12 months), Coln (.25 points, 4 months)

Siamese forces (Africa)
1 infantry corps (French Ivory Coast), 1 light infantry division (French Dahomey)

German forces (Africa)
3 light infantry divisions (2 in Dakar, 1 in French Guinea), 1 SA cavalry division (Dakar), garrison division at German Southwest Africa, Cameroon / French Equatorial Africa Africa:
Togo-1 garrison
Kameroon/French Equatorial Africa-1 garrison,
Southwest Africa-1 Garrison, 1 Marine brigade, naval base at Luderitz

Japanese South Atlantic Fleet
Japanese forces (based at Luderitz)
BC Mogami, Mikuma, Chikuma, Chokai CL Tatsuta, Tenryu, Kiso, Kitakami, Kuma, Oi, Tama, Abukama, Isuzu, Kinu
BB1 Aki, Satsuma, Mikasa, Katori, Kashima, 2 destroyer flotillas, 3 transport units, 2 marine brigades
Galveston Bay
16-11-2006, 20:04
Situation Balkans, Turkey and Mideast March 1, 1913

Coalition Forces
Army Group H (Southern Balkans)
Athens: 1 Austrian infantry corps, 1 Bulgarian infantry corps, 1 Bulgarian Police division, Austrian General Dankl
Korkyu: 1 Albanian light infantry brigade
Tirane: 1 Albanian static infantry corps
Salonikia: 2 Bulgarian infantry corps
Patrai: 1 Bulgarian light infantry division
Kalamai: 1 Bulgarian light infantry division
Bucharest: 2 Bulgarian cavalry divisions
Belgrade: 1 Austrian police division

Army Group L (Turkey)
Hex east of Trabzon: 1 infantry corps
Hex southeast of Trabzon: 1infantry corps
Trabzon: 1 observation plane unit, 2 light infantry divisions, 1 Austrian infantry corps,
Hex 2 hexes directly south of Trabzon: 2 light infantry divisions, 1 Austrian infantry corps
Hex 2 hexes west of Mersen: 1 infantry corps, 1 German heavy infantry corps
Hex 4 hexes south of Sinop: 1 heavy infantry corps, 1 light infantry division
Ankara: 1 light infantry division, 1 observation plane unit, 2 Austrian cavalry corps
Hex 4 hexes east of Ankara: 2 infantry corps
Istanbul: 1 garrison unit, 1 static infantry corps, 1 coast defense
fortress, 1 light infantry brigade,
Troy (clear hex on Asian side of entrance to Dardenelles from Aegean) 2
cavalry divisions
Smyrnia: 2 light infantry divisions

German / Austrian fleet available for action (based at Istanbul)
German BB1 Mecklenberg, Kaiser Wilhem
Austrian BB1 Wien, Budapest,
German CA Furst Bismark
1 German destroyer flotilla,
available is Admiral Horthy (Austrian)

Turkish naval forces available
Istanbul: CP Hamidieh, 2 motor torpedo boat flotilla, plus 1 naval base
Smyrna: 4 motor torpedo boat flotilla, plus 1 naval base

Bulgarian naval forces available:
Varna: 1 Bulgarian motor torpedo boat flotilla

Coalition forces in Mideast
Mecca: 1 garrison unit , 1 Saudi cavalry division, 1 Hashamite cavalry division
Medina: 1 garrison unit

Alliance forces Balkans, Turkey and Mideast
Italian / Greek 6th Fleet (escort shipping in Eastern Mediterranean) (2 BB, 8 CP, 40 DD, 20 TB, 20 PG) (based at Suda Bay, Crete at the newly constructed Greek naval base)
Italian BB2 Ruggerio de Lauria, Francesco Morosini, Dandola with Admiral Luigi di Savoia
Italian CP Dogali, Etna, Vesuvio, Stromboli, Ettore Fieramosca, Giovanni Bausan
Greek CP Nauarchos Miaoulis plus 2 tech 4.5 destroyer flotillas, 1 tech 4.5 torpedo boat flotilla, 1 gunboat flotilla
Greek BBC1 Hydra, Spetzal

Crete: 2 Greek light infantry divisions, 1 Greek marine brigade

Allied Expeditionary Forces Turkey
Russian forces:
Erezum: 3 light infantry divisions, 1 static infantry corps,
Batumi: 1 HQ, General Yedonich,
Basra: 1 garrison corps,
Baghdad: 1 garrison corps, 1 static corps
Hex southeast of Batumi: 2 static infantry corps

Kurdish forces
Hex 5 hexes north of Mosul: 2 militia corps

French forces:
5 hexes northeast of Alexandretta: 1 cavalry corps
Mersen: 1 infantry corps (Algerian), 5 light infantry divisions, General Castelnau
Hex northwest of Adana: 1 infantry corps
Hex northeast of Adana: 2 infantry corps (Algerian)
Adana: 1 cavalry corps, 1 HQ, General Geruad
Haifa: 1 Jewish militia division
Beriut: 1 Christian militia division
Jerusalem: 1 cavalry corps (Algerian)
Amman: 1 cavalry corps (Algerian)
Damascus: 1 cavalry corps
Alexandretta: 2 marine brigades

Rumanian forces
Alexandretta: 4 Rumanian light infantry divisions, General Averescu
Hex northeast of Adana: 4 Rumanian light infantry divisions



just to keep things handily close together
Galveston Bay
16-11-2006, 20:05
Coalition forces Eastern Front March 1, 1913
German Army Group B
Talinn – 2 Baltic infantry corps, 1 observation aircraft wings, 1 HQ,
2 hexes southeast of Helsinki – 1 German heavy infantry corps, 1 Polish heavy infantry corps,
2 hexes west of Pskov – 1 German heavy infantry corps, 1 Polish heavy infantry corps,
2 hexes east of Riga – 1 German heavy infantry corps, 1 Polish heavy infantry corps,
Riga – 1 observation plane unit, General Hindenburg

German Army Group C
hex 3 hexes northeast of Vilna – 2 German heavy infantry corps
Hex 2 hexes west of Vitbsk – 2 German heavy infantry corps
Hex 2 hexes northeast of Minsk – 2 German heavy infantry corps
hex 2 hexes southwest of Vitbsk – 2 German heavy infantry corps,
Hex 2 hexes east of Minsk – 2 German heavy infantry corps,
Hex east of Minsk – 1 German heavy infantry corps, 2 German light infantry divisions, 1 German artillery corps, General Von Mackenson
Minsk – 1 German HQ, 1 observation plane unit, 1 garrison unit

German Army Group G
2 hexes southwest of Minsk – 1 Polish static infantry corps
3 hexes southwest of Minsk – 1 Polish light infantry division
4 hexes southwest of Minsk – 1 Polish infantry corps
hex southwest of Kiev - 1 HQ, 1 Ukrainian infantry corps
Kiev – 2 heavy infantry corps, 2 observation plane units,
hex southeast of Kiev – 2 heavy infantry corps, Crown Prince
hex 2 hexes northwest of Dnepetrovsk - 1 heavy infantry corps, 1 Polish
static infantry corps

German Army Group D
Wooded hex northwest of Dnepopetrovsk- 2 Ukrainian infantry corps, 1 Austrian infantry corps
Dnepopetrovsk – 1 Ukrainian infantry corps, 1 Austrian observation plane unit, 2 Austrian infantry corps
Hex west of Dnepopetrovsk – 2 Austrian infantry corps
Hex southeast of Ukraine resource hex – 2 Ukrainian infantry corps
Nikolayev – 2 Ukrainian infantry corps
Ukraine resource hex – 1 Austrian HQ, 2 Austrian heavy infantry corps, 1 Austrian motorized infantry brigade, General Conrad
Odessa: 1 German heavy infantry corps, General Hoffman

German Reserves
Warsaw:1 garrison unit, 1 HQ, 1 German observation plane unit

Russian forces Eastern Front end of February 1913
Arctic Front
Murmansk: 1 static infantry corps

Russian Baltic Front
Petrograd – 1 coast defense unit, 1 fortress infantry corps, 1 observation aircraft wing
forest hex 2 hexes south Vyborg – 1 fortress corps, 2 militia corps
swamp hex west of Pskov -- 1 fortress infantry corps, 2 militia corps
Pskov – 1 HQ, 1 militia cavalry corps, 1 observation aircraft wing, 1 milita corps
Southwest of Pskov – 1 infantry corps, 2 static infantry corps, 1 militia corps

Russian Central Front
hex 3 hexes east of Minsk: 1 static infantry corps, 1 heavy infantry corps
hex 4 hexes east of Minsk – 1 fortress corps, 1 static infantry corps, 1 militia corps,
wooded hex 2 hexes south of Vitbsk – 1 fortress corps, 1 static infantry corps, 1 militia corps
Hex east of Vitbsk – 1 HQ, 1 observation plane unit
wooded hex west of Vitbsk – 1 infantry corps, 2 static infantry corps, 1 militia cavalry corps

Russian Ukraine
Forest hex 2 hexes north Kiev – 1 static infantry corps, 1 militia corps
Hex 2 hexes west of Kursk – 1 HQ unit
Hex northeast of Kiev – 2 static infantry corps, 2 observation aircraft units
Hex east of Kiev –2 static infantry corps,
Hex 2 hexes east of Kiev – 1 static infantry corps, 1 militia corps, 1 militia cavalry corps
Hex 2 hexes west of Kharkov – 1 static infantry corps, 1 militia cavalry corps, 1 militia corps

hex northeast of Dnepopetrovsk – 2 militia cavalry corps, 1 milita corps
hex east of Dnepopetrovsk – 2 static infantry corps,
Hex – 2 militia corps, 1 static infantry corps,
Hex – 2 militia corps, 1 static infantry corps
Hex – 1 militia cavalry corps, 1 militia corps

Russian Navy:
Baltic: BC Borodino, Kutusov , Suvarov, Prince Bagration, Markarov, 1 minesweeper flotilla, CP Aurora, 1 coast defense submarine flotilla

Damaged: BC Borodino (2 points to repair, 4 months), Kutusov (1 point, 2 months), 1 torpedo boat flotilla (1 point, 2 months

Black Sea: 3 MTBs, 1 DD Flotilla

revised slightly
Sukiaida
16-11-2006, 20:32
Galveston, Important TG on the displacement of my troops.
Amestria
16-11-2006, 20:37
Ummm I have 2 Reserve Corps in Madrid, not 1 Static Corps. The 2 Reserve Corps I sent as reenforcements to the front were never placed beforehand, so they were reserves not placed. And I am missing 3 reserve corps from the front? I sent orders for them and it doesn't seem they are there. So I am missing 3 reserve corps, do you need another e-mail? Please re-TG me it so I can send you another if needed. Cause uhhh placement I understand is up to my generals, but the government sends troops to which front, and something is terribly wrong as some units are nowhere where I sent them.

OOC: Reserve corps are not combat units, they are simply reserves that help prevent units from disapearing due to attrition. Static corps are combat units.
Sukiaida
16-11-2006, 20:39
I transformed this to a TG, sooo please don't quote.
Cylea
16-11-2006, 21:15
On March 1st 1913 a US fleet departs Norfolk for southern France escorting ships that are to be purchased by that nation.

Escorting Ships:
--4 Dreads (USS Arizona, USS Pennsylvania, USS South Carolina, and USS Michigan)
--4 Destroyer Flotillas
--12 Light Cruisers

Ships to be sold: (note that these have skeleton crews who will be carried back to the United States on board the escort fleet)
--10 Tech 4.5 Battleships
--6 Light Cruisers
--2 Battlecruisers (USS President and USS Congress)

It is fervently hoped that no issues will occur along the way and that the Allied fleet may be able to join the Americans partway across the Atlantic. The commander of the fleet is under orders to avoid international incidents and Coalition patrols...
Cylea
16-11-2006, 21:18
Unfortunately, Rumania has lost Dobrudja (all of Dobrudja) due to its Belligerant attempt to annex Bulgaria in the First Balkan war (and thus cannot exactly revert back to its 1939 borders, maybe revert back minus Transylvanian and minus Dobrudja), also Bulgaria will demand the return of the rightfully Bulgarian Territories of Salonika and Greek Macedonia (see the treaty of San Stefano) and reparations from Greece for its SECOND unwarranted aggression against Bulgaria and its utter violation of the Oslo Peace accords.

To clarify. Northern Dobruja would revert to Rumania control under these terms. To make up for this loss of territory both Rumania and Greece would pay a small indemnity to Bulgaria.

To reiterate, if only one part of the peace terms is unsatisfactory, it is strongly encouraged that the nation in question attend the peace talks to negotiate a fairer settlement...
Safehaven2
16-11-2006, 21:35
OOC: May I make two suggestions, firstly that we discuss a settlement on a seperate thread, and secondly we chose a time for a conference should one be started, I'd say end of April.
Abbassia
16-11-2006, 21:40
To clarify. Northern Dobruja would revert to Rumania control under these terms. To make up for this loss of territory both Rumania and Greece would pay a small indemnity to Bulgaria.

To reiterate, if only one part of the peace terms is unsatisfactory, it is strongly encouraged that the nation in question attend the peace talks to negotiate a fairer settlement...

This absolutely un-acceptable and un-negotiable as it would be an insult to all the Bulgarians who perished defending their nation from their and would be rewarding Rumania and Greece for violating the Oslo Peace Treaty (which incidently state that Dobrudja is Bulgarian Territory and Bulgaria has been always in compliance with it).

Also this does not reflect the fact that Bulgarian Forces have repelled the invading enemy forces (again) and vanquished them back this time, it is also felt that these terms fail to reflect that Greece was invading Bulgaria without proper cause.

The Treaty of San Stefano is also still in effect, therefore it states Salonika and Greek Macedonia are Bulgarian Territories.

Any reperations considered to give up any these shouldn't exactly be "small". Bulgaria will still attened the Conference but these terms are the line which will not be crossed, among them is the proposal to dissolve the belligerent Greek and Rumanian "Unions" to assure peace in the Balkans (they already invaded twice).
Sukiaida
16-11-2006, 22:10
For those in leiu of conquering, SPain would like to remind that they would deal with years if not decades of Revolution. Holding nations that do not wish to be controled has always been a negative to the nation that holds. Spain has been an example for both sides. THe colonies of SPain were a noose around the neck of all good Spanish peoples. And Napoleon learned that the begining of his end was at the guns of Spanish guerrillas.

It would be best for BUlgaria if they made peace, or deal with centuries of reprisals and guerrilla actions. In short, the Balkans are more trouble than they are worth.

And if what BUlgaria said is true, than SIam should be disolved as well. It broke a treaty as much as anything. Also BUlgaria forgets that it invaded Greece and Rumania. High and mighty BUlgaria seems to forget it's as guilty as anyone else. An old adage of the pot saying to the kettle "how black thou art."

Spain pushes for an armistace between all nations currently at war so that more soldiers are not killed during peace talks. If we are serious about peace, then we should not be afraid to declare a seize fire for as long as talks are under way. After all, it would not be civilized to continue fighting while delecates talk peace.
Safehaven2
16-11-2006, 22:17
For those in leiu of conquering, SPain would like to remind that they would deal with years if not decades of Revolution. Holding nations that do not wish to be controled has always been a negative to the nation that holds. Spain has been an example for both sides. THe colonies of SPain were a noose around the neck of all good Spanish peoples. And Napoleon learned that the begining of his end was at the guns of Spanish guerrillas.


The Kaiser is heard tocomment how Spain's comments remind him so much about the Ukraine, Morocco, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland, Central Asia, Mongolia, Sinkiang and more.


It would be best for BUlgaria if they made peace, or deal with centuries of reprisals and guerrilla actions. In short, the Balkans are more trouble than they are worth.

And if what BUlgaria said is true, than SIam should be disolved as well. It broke a treaty as much as anything. Also BUlgaria forgets that it invaded Greece and Rumania. High and mighty BUlgaria seems to forget it's as guilty as anyone else. An old adage of the pot saying to the kettle "how black thou art."

Spain pushes for an armistace between all nations currently at war so that more soldiers are not killed during peace talks. If we are serious about peace, then we should not be afraid to declare a seize fire for as long as talks are under way. After all, it would not be civilized to continue fighting while delecates talk peace.


That is laughed at as the recent conflict with Rumania was brought about when they broke the treaty ending the last Balkan war, and blatantly so. It is also pointed out that Greece was not invaded, but attacked the Coalition.


OOC: Seriously now, enough, save this for another thread, this is a WAR thread, not a conference thread, don't clog this thing up.
Calling for the conference to be started at the end of April.
Abbassia
16-11-2006, 22:20
Also BUlgaria forgets that it invaded Greece and Rumania.

OOC: This never happened, Bulgaria since independance has been invaded twice by Greece and Rumania.
Malkyer
16-11-2006, 22:34
France suggests that a cease-fire begin immediately, so that negotiations for peace may begin as quickly and efficiently as possible. There is no need for the young men of any nation at war to keep dying, if all parties are truly interested in peace.
Whittlesfield
17-11-2006, 00:07
Bulgaria further twists itself in lies when it claims that Salonika was defined as Bulgarian territory under the Treaty of San Stefano.

It is also added Greece came into this war to protect Serbia and Rumania from foreign aggression.
Safehaven2
17-11-2006, 00:16
OOC: France, it'd be kind of hard to have a conference in March considering ROosevelt only made his call for a compromise March 5th or 6th and this is 1913, not 2006, so it takes a while for that stuff to get around exc and then even longer to set up a conference of this scale, we don't even have a site yet. Plus OOCly, don't really feel like having a conference right in the middle of a turn(March/April, putting the conference at the end of March/beggining of April) it'd be easier OOCly to just have the thing at the end of the turn.

IC: March 20th
Germany officially calls for a conference to be held on the 25th of April in either England or Scandinavia about the possibility of reaching a compromise peace to end this war. Germany also quietly points out that it was Germany that made the first moves towards a possible peace.
Rodenka
17-11-2006, 00:17
OOC: This never happened, Bulgaria since independance has been invaded twice by Greece and Rumania.

OOC: Actually, you and your allies invaded Rumania, and only went through Bulgaria to link up with my allies because it was easier to crush your troops then the Germans.
Sukiaida
17-11-2006, 00:30
And does Germany and the Coalition agree to a ceasefire while the peace converance is underway?
Safehaven2
17-11-2006, 00:36
Germany will accept a 1(or 2 should you prefer) month ceasefire starting April 25th(start date of the conference).
Rodenka
17-11-2006, 00:54
Russia would prefer a cease-fire date sooner then that, say the end of March, but will accept the German one should the Russian and French proposal fail.
Sukiaida
17-11-2006, 00:56
Spain would prefer an earlier date as well. As well as statments that no one will start a campaign from now til the peace conference is over. We don't want anyone to use peace as an excuse to attack.

And 2 months would be preferable. (Mostly because it means a single turn peace for now. INstead of half a turn.)
Safehaven2
17-11-2006, 01:00
Germany agrees to a 2 month ceasefire whose start date will coincide with the start of the conference(April 25th).
Abbassia
17-11-2006, 01:02
OOC: Actually, you and your allies invaded Rumania, and only went through Bulgaria to link up with my allies because it was easier to crush your troops then the Germans.

OOC: All I know is that You violated the Oslo Peace Treaty, built up your army and mobilised your troops without any provocation, same goes with Serbia.
Haneastic
17-11-2006, 01:14
Japan agrees to the peace conference, but will clearly argue over the part concerning Japan
Malkyer
17-11-2006, 01:43
Germany agrees to a 2 month ceasefire whose start date will coincide with the start of the conference(April 25th).

France continues to push for an earlier cease-fire (end of March, early April). If the Germans and their Coalition allies are truly willing to discuss peace, then why do they insist that the soldiers of combatant nations must continue to die for another two months?

OOC: Seriously, communications are advanced enough that the fighting could be stopped in a few days, a week at most. Telegrams can reach the other side of the world in a few hours, after all. And ending in the middle of turn isn't troublesome OOCly...after all, GB won't have to game out April. Your reasons for delaying the cease-fire are shaky at best, Safe.
Haneastic
17-11-2006, 01:47
Japan backs Germany on the issue of cease-fire

OOC: Malkyer, it would take days for nations to draft responses, as they consult advisors and such, they have to get orders out to millions of soldiers, it could easily take that long
Artitsa
17-11-2006, 02:37
Germany agrees to a 2 month ceasefire whose start date will coincide with the start of the conference(April 25th).

So that the Germans can muster one final counter-attack before peace to force better terms perhaps?
Haneastic
17-11-2006, 02:39
So that the Germans can muster one final counter-attack before peace to force better terms perhaps?

And the allies wouldn't if they had enough strength?
Canadstein
17-11-2006, 02:53
OOC: All I know is that You violated the Oslo Peace Treaty, built up your army and mobilised your troops without any provocation, same goes with Serbia.

OOC: Actually Serbia just signed the Peace Treaty, but nothing was done to keep a set military.
Sukiaida
17-11-2006, 03:01
Spain also pushes for an earlier cease fire.

(And no the Allies wouldn't. Whoever counterattacks before the peace treaty is going to have Great Britain and the United States jump on them with both feet. ANd believe me, that's the last thing a country wants. And the way you stated that means you are planning one. Dishonorable much?)
Galveston Bay
17-11-2006, 03:25
Japan backs Germany on the issue of cease-fire

OOC: Malkyer, it would take days for nations to draft responses, as they consult advisors and such, they have to get orders out to millions of soldiers, it could easily take that long

ooc
to deal with the fact that all of this discussion has been taking place over March and part of April, the conference will not begin until May 12, and the cease fire would need to go into effect May 1 to allow safe travel to the conference site.

So the cease fire, if agreed to, goes into effect May 1

combat etc for March April will be handled tonight, tomorrow and hopefully done by Saturday. No more orders will be accepted at this time.
Galveston Bay
17-11-2006, 03:26
OOC: Actually Serbia just signed the Peace Treaty, but nothing was done to keep a set military.

ooc
Serbia is an NPC at this point, so actually, it doesn't even have a government