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Rio Plata War (E20 closed)

Galveston Bay
26-10-2006, 19:38
1908-1909
Chile funds a guerilla movement in Bolivia. However, in 1909, the Chilean President is impeached and removed from office for violating Chilean law in this matter. The new Chilean interim President apologizes to Bolivia and promises the United States that it will not interfere in the internal affairs of its neighbors.

Meanwhile, the Argentine government uses this Chilean activity as an excuse to prepare plans of its own.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11720469&postcount=9

1910
A new government in Argentina decides that expansion is called for, specifically, the invasion and annexation of Bolivia, which is essentially an economic dependency in any case. Although substantial misgivings are prevalent in the Army, a plan is put into motion. Meanwhile, Chile continues to attempt to restore good relations between itself and Argentina but the Argentine government ignores these efforts.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11791034&postcount=13

1911
And so March 1911, the Argentine Army invades Bolivia, and conquers nearly one third of it before bad weather brings operations to a halt. Then problems really set in.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11794315&postcount=13

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11794560&postcount=15

Although the Bolivian Army has been wrecked and the survivors driven back to La Paz, the Argentine Army finds it lacks the logistical support needed to finish the job. Worse, division and disorganization at home means that no war time budget is passed, and units needed to finish the job are not organized, paid for or planned for. The Army sits in Bolivia for 6 months, losing men to disease, cold and skirmishes and meanwhile the Argentine Government dithers.

Meanwhile, the rest of South America is appalled, and strongly condemns the Argentine government. The United States attempts to peacefully resolve the situation and end the fighting. Argentina claims that its invasion is in the best interest of Bolivia.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11797826#post11797826

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11795260&postcount=22

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11795280&postcount=23
Eventually however the talks fail.
Galveston Bay
26-10-2006, 19:40
Disgusted by the failure of the government to accomplish anything useful, and having suffered 85,000 casualties in the last few months just sitting and waiting, the Argentine Expeditionary Force finally mutinies from the commanding general on down.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11823541&postcount=25

And withdraws from Bolivia and returns home.

The Argentine Bolivia war has ended, and now the Argentine Civil War begins

July – October 1911
Rebel and Loyalist Armies assemble and prepare to fight a decisive battle which both hope will end the war quickly.

November 1911 – December 1911
A series of battles results in several Loyalist defeats and that results in the Rebels gaining control of Buenos Aires. The Loyalists retreat to Bahia Blanca, and vow to retake the country. The Navy remains on the side of the Loyalists, and this turns out to be a critical factor in events to come. The Argentine Navy declares a blockade of all Rebel held seaports and has the fleet needed to make it legally stick.

Meanwhile, the Rebels sign a cease fire with Bolivia and agree to the terms of the Washington talks. The Loyolists also agree, but as both are vowing to destroy the other, the Bolivian War ends by default as well as by formal cease fire.

January – February 1912
Brazil attempts to recruit Paraguay in an effort to take advantage of the situation in Argentina. Paraguay stalls, while meanwhile, the Brazilians offer aid to the Argentine Rebels.

Tensions between the Loyalist Government and the Brazilians rise to the boiling point, and this time the United States is unable to prevent a war. When Brazilian ships and escorting warships attempt to run the blockade, they are met by the Argentine Battlecruiser Moreno which blows all 3 old Brazilian cruisers out of the water and seizes all of the ships.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11856607&postcount=35

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11856666&postcount=36

War breaks out between Brazil and Argentina.
Galveston Bay
26-10-2006, 19:49
March 1912
Brazilian forces mass along the border with Argentina and prepare to launch an invasion. Meanwhile, the Argentine Government (the Loyalists), which is still the last recognized government by most of the world, announces a state of war exists between Argentina and Brazil.

In light of that, Argentina declares a blockade of Brazil and moves warships to make that occur. Meanwhile, Uruguay declares its neutrality, Paraguay remains silent, and Bolivia also remains silent, but the Bolivian government moves to reestablish control over the formerly occupied portions of its territory.

Chile remains silent for now as well.

The Brazilian intervention into the internal affairs of Argentina turns out to be fatally damaging to the Rebel cause however. It also turns out to be fatal to the President of Argentina, who dies suddenly from 'natural causes' (ooc was murdered) and the Vice President assumes control of the Loyalist cause.

Several Rebel division commanders, appalled that their leadership asked for help from the Brazilians, mutiny once again, this time in favor of the government.

By the end of March the Civil War is over as all of the Rebel leaders are either dead or have changed sides.

At sea, 8 Argentine light cruisers take up station covering the ports of Porto Alegre, Rio de Janario, Natal and Fortaleza, while a fleet consisting of a battlecruiser, destroyers and torpedo boats waits to engage the Brazilian Navy should it sortie.

The Brazilians are still preparing for action and so March ends quietly for now.
Galveston Bay
26-10-2006, 20:25
Military Forces available April 1912
Brazilians
Army (Conscript)
Regulars:
4 Garrisons (São Paulo, Manaus, Belém, Rio Branco)
3 Coastal Defense Forts (Recife, Rio de Janeiro, Salvador)
9 Light Infantry Divisions
- Campo Grande: 1
- Rio Branco: 2
- São Paulo: 1
- Curitiba: 2
- Porto Alegre: 3
2 Mountain Infantry Divisions (Curitiba)
1 Supply Unit (Porto Alegre)
Reserves:
10 Infantry Corps
Annual Upkeep: 6.6

Navy
1 Naval Base at Rio de Janeiro
1 Major Port at Recife
1 Battlecruiser (Tech Level 5, American)
2 Light Cruisers (Tech Level 5)
-Bahia (1910, American)
-Rio Grande do Sul (1910, American)
2 River Gunboat Flotillas (Tech Level 5, 20 Ships)
1 River Gunboat Flotilla (Tech Level 4, 10 Ships)
Annual Upkeep: 1.3

Argentine
After purges and reorganization the Argentine Army has 1 infantry corps, 1 static infantry corps, 3 light infantry divisions, 1 light infantry brigade, 1 police unit, and 2 militia light infantry divisions.

The Navy has 1 battlecruiser (Moreno), 8x Light Cruisers, 1x Destroyer Flotilla, 1x Torpedo Boat Flotilla, 1x Minesweeper Flotilla, and 1 naval base at Bahia Blanca (2 points) and a Naval Yard at Buenas Aires. The Navy has managed to regain control of its stockpiles of mines that the Rebels had seized when Buenas Aires fell.
Galveston Bay
26-10-2006, 20:27
ooc
economic effects of Argentine Blockade of Brazil

Once that blockade really gets in place (in April), Brazil will lose 1 point every 2 months as exports will become difficult as neutral merchant shipping will stay away, and only its own merchant shipping can be used. These ships are of course vulnerable to interception by the blockade fleet.
Galveston Bay
27-10-2006, 00:19
former President and General Julio Argentino Roca is made President in an agreement between the Army, Navy and Oligarchs as a compromise candidate and is called upon to save Argentina

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julio_Argentino_Roca
Cylea
27-10-2006, 22:32
US Involvement of Note--April 1912:

--Washington never withdrew recogniction of the Argentine government and recognizes the current administration of that country.

--The United States withdraws its military advisors from Brazil and Argentina until further notice (assuming there are still some there as per earlier treaties of assistance).

--Both Argentina and Brazil are reminded that the defensive treaties they have with the United States have a clause allowing the US to back out should one of them provoke war which Washington is now invoking. Argentina is at fault for its invasion of Bolivia. Brazil is at fault for declaring war without (in the US eyes of course) a justifiable cassus bellum now that the goals of the Washington Talks have been belatedly achieved and the Argentine Civil War is over.

--Brazil is requested on April 6th to stand down in exchange for reparations to be paid for the losses of its cruisers and crews. If Argentina can not find the means to pay these, the US is willing to subsidize in order to bring peace. Brazil has until April 20th to reply.
Koryan
27-10-2006, 22:45
Brazil shall be the one to deny peace this time. Money cannot return life to the Brazilian sailors who were murdered. When Argentina opened fire on those ships, they threw away any chance of a peaceful outcome.

The Brazilian Government, however, reminds the world that they are not fighting this war for land or money. The Argentine Government must be eliminated and Argentina's ability to make war must be destroyed.
Cylea
27-10-2006, 23:00
Just as the government of Argentina is responsible for the deaths of its men in the mountains of Bolivia due to arrogance and miscalculation, so is Brazil's government responsible for the deaths of its sailors. Brazil however seeks to compound its error by sending more young men to their deaths.

The United States formally recognizes the Argentinian Blockade of Brazil and calls for an immediate cessation of hostilities between the two nations.

The Argentines have learned their lesson and are capable of letting peace return to the continent. The US will not stand by and watch the balance of power in South America be shattered when a better solution is avaliable.

Brazil is informed that their stubbornness in this matter will require additional action by the United States if they do not relent. The initial offer of reparations is repeated. Argentina is told that if its troops do not cross the border it will retain American support in this matter. Any actions by the Argentine Navy are acceptable. Roosevelt telegrams Roca personally to emphasize these points.
Koryan
27-10-2006, 23:24
Then Brazil will proceed on it's quest for regional stability without the United States. The Argentine government would only accept peace because it knows that it will not survive this war. An example will be made of this regime for all it's successors to remember.

Argentina supported a coup in Bolivia, invaded that nation shortly afterward, refused a peace twice, and attacked a neutral aid convoy.

Meanwhile, Brazil has pledged it's support for a threatened neighbor, delivered an ultimatum for peace and a cease-fire request to Argentina (both of which were very reasonable and both of which were coldly rejected), and then sent aid to Argentine faction who wanted peace, only to be attacked!

And yet you side with Argentina and demand that they escape the situation, with their only consequence being the loss of a little pocket change? You recognize a blockade of southern Brazil which is cutting off important exports to the British Empire and harming the Brazilian economy? The United States has stabbed Brazil in the back twice now. The Brazilian people won't forget or forgive this.
Amestria
27-10-2006, 23:26
Bolivia, Late 1911 to early 1912

In the aftermath of Argentina’s withdrawal from Bolivia Provisional President Ismael Montes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ismael_Montes) quickly organizes a new Presidential election to cement his hold on power. Considered a hero by many for staring down the Argentineans, Montes is easily reelected (this being his second elected term as President). However, his running for a second term is taboo in the largely personalistic world of Bolivian politics. This earns him a number of enemies and brings about the defection of many Liberals, but nothing immediately comes of it.

Meanwhile the majority of the anti-Argentinean Indian rebels previously supported by Chile have taken up positions in the newly reconstituted Bolivian Army and only a few die hard groups return to the Western Jungle to continue their revolutionary campaign of annoying the Bolivian land-owning elite.

Aid is also offered to Bolivia to help rebuild an Infantry Corps or a couple brigades. The Brazilian government explains that since a large Brazilian force could take months to reach Bolivia, it wants to slowly build up the Bolivian Military to help slow invasions long enough for Brazilian forces to arrive.

Ismael Montes, although initially silent, turns out to be very enthusiastic about the idea of Brazilian military aid. He agrees and eagerly awaits Brazil’s response.

Montes also begins vocally demanding that Argentina pay reparations for its "unprovoked, dishonorable, and illegal invasion" of Bolivia.
Koryan
27-10-2006, 23:46
Brazil will send 2 points of aid in 1912 and will send MUCH more aid as soon as possible (although the Brazilian ambassador point out that the Argentine blockade is cutting off Brazil's economic abilities). The ambassador also hints that Brazil will assist in rebuilding the entire Bolivian Army and help repair infrastructure damages caused by Argentine imperialism as soon as the war is over.
Amestria
28-10-2006, 01:45
As soon as the Brazilian aid arrives (ooc: what month is the aid sent?) the Bolivian Government begins training a new light infantry division (ooc: I’m assuming Brazilian advisers are part of the aid). It is notable that all the division’s officers are men selected primarily for their loyalty to President Montes.

OOC Note: Given that Montes fought in the War of the Pacific, personally commanded troops during the 1899 Bolivian Civil War, later serving as Minister of War, and 1903 Acre War, he probably should be considered a General Unit.
New Dornalia
28-10-2006, 03:32
The KMT Government quietly cuts trade with Brazil (not that it had much in the first place) to show its protest over the invasion of Argentina.
Ato-Sara
28-10-2006, 11:16
Portuguese Merchant Marine ships continue to make shipment to Brazil and many attempt to run the blockade to get their vital supplies to Brazillian ports.
The Portuguese goverment informs the Brazilians that they will continue to honour the Communade De Lusophone.
Koryan
28-10-2006, 15:34
The KMT Government quietly cuts trade with Brazil (not that it had much in the first place) to show its protest over the invasion of Argentina.

Brazilian officials note this with disgust. Brazilian ambassadors to the KMT (if any) are withdrawn.

Portuguese Merchant Marine ships continue to make shipment to Brazil and many attempt to run the blockade to get their vital supplies to Brazillian ports.
The Portuguese goverment informs the Brazilians that they will continue to honour the Communade De Lusophone.

Portuguese merchants are told that they don't have to risk their lives against the blockade and that the blockade will be removed and normal trade resumed as soon as a possible solution is revealed.

OOC: Not having a navy really sucks...
Cylea
28-10-2006, 16:42
Then Brazil will proceed on it's quest for regional stability without the United States. The Argentine government would only accept peace because it knows that it will not survive this war. An example will be made of this regime for all it's successors to remember.

Argentina supported a coup in Bolivia, invaded that nation shortly afterward, refused a peace twice, and attacked a neutral aid convoy.

Meanwhile, Brazil has pledged it's support for a threatened neighbor, delivered an ultimatum for peace and a cease-fire request to Argentina (both of which were very reasonable and both of which were coldly rejected), and then sent aid to Argentine faction who wanted peace, only to be attacked!

And yet you side with Argentina and demand that they escape the situation, with their only consequence being the loss of a little pocket change? You recognize a blockade of southern Brazil which is cutting off important exports to the British Empire and harming the Brazilian economy? The United States has stabbed Brazil in the back twice now. The Brazilian people won't forget or forgive this.

American officials with no small amount of frustration point out the total hypocrisy of the Brazilian stance. Brazil is invading Argentina under the auspices of removing a dangerous government in power, the exact same claim that Buenos Aires made as it sent troops into Bolivia. The only losses Brazil has had so far in this affair were provoked by its meddling in the internal affairs of a neighbor. The Argentine Civil War has ended. The faction Brazil supported is gone. There is no need for war.

Meanwhile, the Rebels sign a cease fire with Bolivia and agree to the terms of the Washington talks. The Loyolists also agree, but as both are vowing to destroy the other, the Bolivian War ends by default as well as by formal cease fire.

The terms of the Washington Talks (proposed by the Brazilians and endorsed by the US) have been agreed to by every nation involved at this point. These include (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11804263&postcount=12) an Argentine ceasefire on all fronts, reparations to Bolivia, an apology to Bolivia, and a promise to never fund overt or covert hostile actions against neighbors. Brazil violated its very own points by attempting to intervene in Argentine affairs.

Yet despite this, the United States merely wishes for this conflict to be over. Washington and Brazil have become opposed only through the unfortunate stubborness of the latter. If Brazil will stand down, the Argentine blockade will be removed, reparations will be paid for the loss of sailors, and peace can return to the region. Every nation in South America has seen enough of war--persuing the present course is the height of foolishness.
Cylea
28-10-2006, 16:46
The United States lobbies the governments of other Latin American and Caribbean nations to condemn the Brazilians. An emphasis is put on how close the conflict is to a resolution, the opportunity to bring a rogue Argentina back into the fold, and the gratitude Washington will show for their support.

SIC: 5 points are budgeted for this "initiative" in 1912.
Galveston Bay
28-10-2006, 18:25
April 1912
Insurance rates rise for Portuguese shipping (ooc reduce Portuguese income from merchant shipping by 1 point). Several Portuguese ships are stopped and taken into Buenas Aires for inspection as is proper under maritime laws regarding blockade. Only a few are seized as they contained war materials as defined by the Hague Conventions. The remainder are released as is proper.

Meanwhile, the Brazilian Army completes its movements to the border, and prepares to attack. At the same time, the Argentine Army masses to defend the country.
Amestria
28-10-2006, 22:42
The Governments of Costa Rica, Cuba, the Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Guatemala, Haiti, Honduras, Nicaragua, Panama, and Ecuador all condemn Brazil's invasion of Argentina and request that Brazil stand down, agree to the terms of the Washington Talks, and accept American mediation.

Juan Vicente Gómez (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Vicente_G%C3%B3mez), President and El Benemérito of Venezuela, also condemns Brazil's invasion of Argentina. The Colombian Government of Conservative President Carlos Eduardo Restrepo chooses to remain silent, for now.

The Bolivian Government meanwhile continues to demand that Argentina agree to pay it reparations.
Galveston Bay
29-10-2006, 06:35
The first economic effects of the Brazilian blockade occur... Nigeria and Colombia gains an extra point (coffee), as do Malaysia and French Indochina (rubber)

economic bonus only for duration of the blockade of Brazil caused by price increases
Galveston Bay
29-10-2006, 21:23
May 1912
Map of Argentina / Brazil
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/americas/argentina_rel96.jpg

Not having orders to the contrary, the Brazilian Army launches its planned invasion and attacks and overruns the undefended Brazilian provinces of Missiones and Corrientes and drive toward the Parana River.

They find that this is where the Argentines are dug in and waiting, and fighting breaks out at the aptly named city of Resistencia. The second prong of the Brazilian invasion swings south and invades the province of Entre Rios, and also attempts to cross the Rio Parana at Santa Fe, Parana, and the outskirts of Buenes Aires.
Galveston Bay
29-10-2006, 21:46
Battles along the Parana River, May 1912

The Argentines are outnumbered nearly three to one, but have strong defenses on the far bank of a substantial river, and are very experienced troops after almost 2 years of war and civil war.

The Brazilians attack the major sections of the Argentine defense line with 3 armies, each with 3 static infantry corps and 2 light infantry divisions. At Resistencia, the Argentines have 2 light infantry divisions and 1 police division (ex Rebel forces) hold the Brazilians, inflicting 43,000 casualties while suffering 17,000 casualties of their own. (Brazil loses 2 static infantry corps, Argentina loses 1 Police division) and also hold their ground.

At Santa Fe/Parana, the Brazilians attack former Loyalist troops consisting of 1 static infantry corps and 1 newly raised militia diviison. Here the Brazilians get across the river, after suffering 31,000 casualties while inflicting 22,000 Argetine casaulties. (another dead Brazilian static infantry corps but the Argentine corps is also destroyed, and the militia division becomes a light infantry division). This Brazilian victory also unhinges the Argentine line to the north and the victors of Resistencia are forced to abandon their positions and hurriedly move by train to Cordoba.

At Buenes Aires, the Bazilians again attack former loyalist troops, 1 infantry corps, plus a newly raised militia division. Here the Argentine Army slaughters the Brazilians, inflicting 63,000 casualties at the cost of only7,000 of their own, and easily holds its ground. (ooc: Brazil loses 2 static infantry corps, Argentine improves its militia light infantry division which becomes a light infantry division).

At sea, the Argentine navy launches a major raid that briefly takes the undefended city of Natal, and substantial shipping is caught in the harbor and destroyed (1 Brazilian shipping unit destroyed) before the Argentine Marines withdraw.
Amestria
29-10-2006, 21:51
Brazil’s Contestado Region, May 1912

The rural areas of the Contestado Region (the states of Santa Catarina and Paraná), already burdened by economic troubles caused by poverty, exploitation, and land disputes, is hit hard by the economic decline caused by the Argentinean blockade.

This anger and dissatisfaction with the material situation is seized upon by a man calling himself José Maria, believed to be the Third Monk, a saint that has come to Earth only to heal the sick and aid the needy, the famed Monk João Maria resurrected for a third time. In reality he is little more then an army deserter by the name of Miguel Lucena de Boaventura, who had been convicted of rape and ultimately proves himself quiet the charismatic con artist.

Because no one knew his origins, and because he lived what was perceived as a straight and honest life, it was not difficult for him to achieve the people's admiration and confidence in a short period of time. One of his claims to fame is the account of his resurrection of a young lady (a victim of catalepsy). He was also said to have cured a colonel’s wife of a previously un-curable illness. After this event the monk won even more fame and trust by declining the land and significant quantity of gold that the grateful colonel offered him. That, and his running of a “people’s pharmacy” has developed him a mass following.

Maria leads his followers from Santa Catarina into Paraná where a confrontation with Government troops from the Paranense Regiment of Security results in a bloody battle. Dozens are killed on both sides; but the rebels manage to kill the opposing commander, rout the Government troops, and seize a great deal of their guns and ammunition.

Fortunately (for the Government), Monk Jose Maria is also killed in the battle. His followers quickly bury his body in order to facilitate his eventual resurrection. They await his return so as to continue in their quest to knock down the satanic Republic and in its place establish a Celestial Monarchy. Religious and impoverished Paranense peasants start flocking to their banner.

The unrest quickly spreads throughout neighboring states and there are further uprisings in Santa Catarina as well. What will later become known as the Contestado War has begun…

ooc: The rebels have 2 militia brigades in the rural areas of Paraná and 1 militia brigade in the rural areas of Santa Catarina. This conflict will not be settled anytime soon as the rebels will refuse conventional battle and fight a guerrilla war from the forests.


IC:

Brazil, São Paulo and Minas Gerais, May-June 1912

Meanwhile, rumblings of discontent are beginning to be heard from Brazil’s many coffee and milk oligarchs in the Southern states of São Paulo and Minas Gerais, as well as the decaying sugar oligarchies of the North, all of whom are economically hurt by the Argentinean blockade and see no reason for the current war, which they regard as pointless. Some threaten that if the Central Government does not end the war they will turn their sizable political machines (which dominate the countryside) against the Government’s leadership in the next election. A few of the more violent oligarchs however mutter of more direct action…


Brazil, Rio de Janeiro, May-June 1912

The Nationalistic leadership of Brazil’s Federal Army fully supports the war, which they hope will bring about a new era of Brazilian dominance in South America and strengthen the Central Government.

The Navy, the Army’s pessimistic rival, backs the Oligarchic peace faction behind closed doors (ooc: the oligarchs intentionally built up the navy as a rival to the Army that they could manipulate).
Cylea
29-10-2006, 22:04
When news of the lopsided battles in Argentina reach Washington (117,000 Brazilian casualties to 46,000 Argentinean), lawmakers can only shake their heads in disgust. The United States again calls for peace in the region, pointing to the needless dead and lack of gain on either side.

An emphasis is put on the practically agreed upon Washington Talk terms (again...) although it is worthy of note that talks of Argentina paying Brazil for the loss of its cruisers has been quietly dropped from the rhetoric.

The Brazilians are also reminded that their nation is not very stable internally and the idea of fighting a needless war on top of these troubles approaches lunacy. There is still the opportunity to end things without more serious consequences.
Koryan
29-10-2006, 23:24
The Brazilian Government, suddenly hit by problems on all sides, attempts to deal with them with the few resources avaliable. Emphasis is put on Brazilian advances and that Brazilian forces sit just outside Buenos Aires. Rebels in the southwest region are currently ignored while the government focuses on the Argentines. The government also agrees to pay land owners back if their crop spoils before the blockade ends.

A Privy Council is called from the major oligarchs and state leaders to discuss the current matter. The President agrees to accept the Privy Council's recommendation, even if it means opening peace talks. While the Privy Council gathers and talks, the war will continue.
Galveston Bay
30-10-2006, 18:32
June 1912
Brazilian forces overrun the city of Resistencia, which the Argentines had to abandon. Paraguay enters the war and occupies the province of Chaco. Bolivia enters the war and occupies the provinces of Jujuy and Salta. Chile doesn’t enter the war, but goes ahead and occupies Argentine Terra del Fuego. Uruguay refuses to enter the war and remains neutral.

Meanwhile, the Brazilians are across the Parana in strength and move to take Cordoba, which is defended by 5 light infantry divisions. They attack with 3 static infantry corps and 6 light infantry divisions and the key battle of the war is fought. For a month the fighting is fierce and costly, but in the end the Argentine Army is overwhelmed and forced to retreat south to Santa Rosa

OOC
Brazilian losses: 103,000, 3 static infantry corps destroyed
Argentine losses: 44,000, 2 light infantry division destroyed

IC
Meanwhile, at sea, the Argentines lay mines off the Brazilian ports of Forteleza, Natal, Recife, Salvador and Rio de Janeiro. This last provokes a reaction from the Brazilian fleet, which sorties with 1 battlecruiser and 2 light cruisers to engage the Argentine fleet of 1 Battlecruiser and 3 light cruisers. In the resulting action, both sides each lose their flagships (both battlecruisers are destroyed), but the Brazilians also suffer damage to a light cruiser and are forced to retreat back into port. This naval battle costs both sides 1200 men and irreplaceable ships.

But Argentina now essentially rules the seas off Brazil and maintains its blockade.

Situation June 30, 1912
Brazilian and other forces:
4 Garrisons (São Paulo, Manaus, Belém, Rio Branco)
3 Coastal Defense Forts (Recife, Rio de Janeiro, Salvador)
1 light infantry division at Resistencia (Argentina)
1 light infantry division, 1 supply unit at Santa Fe (Argentina)
2 static infantry corps, 2 light infantry divisions across the Rio Parana from Buenes Aires
2 mountain divisions plus 1 Bolivian militia division in San Salvador / Salta (Argentina)
1 Paraguayan militia brigade occupying Chaco province
5 light infantry divisions at Cordoba
Navy is reduced to 1 operational light cruiser, 1 damaged light cruiser (requires 2 points of repairs), plus river gunboats

Argentine Forces
1 infantry corps at Buenes Aires
3 light infantry divisions at Santa Rosa
Navy reduced to 8 light cruisers, 1 destroyer flotilla, 1 torpedo boat flotilla, 1 marine brigade
Galveston Bay
30-10-2006, 18:34
political grumbling in Brazil continues, but the important victory at Cordoba strengthens the governments position. Garrison units are shifted to assist local police forces in dealing with the rebels.

However, heavy pressure continues on the Brazilian government for quick victory. The high cost of the war is remarked on with harsh criticism as well.

In Argentina, the government attempts to rally the population to resist the invaders, but despair is beginning to settle in.
Ato-Sara
30-10-2006, 19:20
Hearing of the terrible loss to the Brazillian fleet, the Kingdom of Portugal offers the sale of it's armoured cruiser NPR Rainha Dona Amelia for 3 points.
If agreed to, the NPR Rainha Dona Amelia will be sailed into Brazil under Portuguese flag escorted by a Portuguese light cruiser from Luanda.
[NS]Parthini
30-10-2006, 19:26
OOC: checking some stuff out first.
Galveston Bay
30-10-2006, 19:34
Argentina formerly requests military assistance from the United States to save it from invasion and partition. It also informs the Chileans that it is willing to accept the loss of Terra del Fuego if Chile will refrain from entering the war on the side of Brazil.

The US is also secretly informed that if the Americans can't or won't help, the Republic of Argentina will have little choice but to ask for help from the Spanish, Germans or even British if necessary.

(secret IC, Germany is contacted about possible assistance in exchange for use of the Argentine naval yard and base at Buenes Aires and Bahia Blanca)

also secret IC, the Americans discover this effort by Argentina
Cylea
30-10-2006, 19:56
OOC: I need moderator imput on US public opinion toward any increased involvement in this affair before making a decision please.

Quickly if at all possible.
Galveston Bay
30-10-2006, 20:09
OOC: I need moderator imput on US public opinion toward any increased involvement in this affair before making a decision please.

Quickly if at all possible.

ooc
at this point, the American public is supportive of Teddy in general and in this case, enforcing the Roosevelt Corallary to the Monroe Doctrine in particular. Although Argentina was viewed as a bad guy for invading Bolivia, the fact that is stopped, agreed to a cease fire, pulled out, accepted US terms for peace and then was invaded by Brazil makes a lot of Americans view Argentina as a plucky underdog worthy of American respect after the exceptionally brave fight it has put up. It helps that Argentines are nearly universally European (white skinned), and many are of Irish, German, and Italian descent, while the Brazilians, Paraguayans and Bolivians are mostly mestizo or even, shudder, African or Indian descent.

It is after all that time in history.
Cylea
30-10-2006, 20:45
On June 28th Teddy Roosevelt makes a speech in Boston concerning the needs for the United States to maintain control over the affairs in its hemisphere. Hilighted is the continuing war in South America and the need for further American involvement to assure a solution that is not only peaceful but not negative to US interests.

The Brazilians are informed on the same day that their continued moves against Argentina are flatly not to be tolerated. The governments of Bolivia and Paraguay in particular are also given notice that their occupations of Argentine territory are not recognized by Washington and that they should pull out immediately.

OOC: More on this after I return from class and get a reply TG from GB.
Koryan
30-10-2006, 22:32
Hearing of the terrible loss to the Brazillian fleet, the Kingdom of Portugal offers the sale of it's armoured cruiser NPR Rainha Dona Amelia for 3 points.
If agreed to, the NPR Rainha Dona Amelia will be sailed into Brazil under Portuguese flag escorted by a Portuguese light cruiser from Luanda.

The Portuguese offer is appreciated, although the Brazilian government most likely won't be able to afford the cruiser until later in the year. Also, considering the blockade, the ship had best remain in Europe or Africa for now. The Brazilian government does not wish to see Portuguese sailors dying in this war.
Koryan
30-10-2006, 22:39
With victory within their grasp, the Brazilian Government offers the Argentine government the chance to surrender and maintain control of their country. This is merely to avoid more bloodshed and property damage that will inevitably end in an Argentine defeat anyway. Brazilian ambassadors warn that if Argentina does not accept peace now, then Brazil will not stop it's allies from conquering to their heart's content. (In other words, give up now or Bolivia and Paraguay are going to grow considerably)

The American threats are not recieved kindly by the Brazilian government. The Americans are told that Brazil has offered Argentina a chance for peace and that if they do not accept it, then the South American Coalition will finish what it started.

Last but not least, Paraguay and Bolivia are thanked for their support. They are told of the peace offer to Argentina and promised that they will be able to keep their reclaimed land (Paraguay is also promised Brazilian-occupied territory on their east border to rebuild the buffer zone between Brazil and Argentina). Chile is told that if Argentina does not accept the peace offer, then Brazil would much appreciate Chile joining the coalition (It's not a threat or anything like that. I'm just pretty much saying "If Argentina doesn't surrender, you can slice off a piece as well").

OOC to GB: I'm about to do my budget and need to know what I need to pay for reinforcements, munitions, and to the oligarchs who lost their crops.

OOC to Cylea: Just let us end this thing. American involvement will just draw out this war and cause more death. I already said I wasn't going to take any land from Argentina (although Bolivia and Paraguay are going to get some now). You can send down mediators from Washington if you want (or even have the peace talks in Washington). I want this thing over as much as you, but Argentina has to be disarmed.
Amestria
30-10-2006, 23:35
OOC to Cylea: Just let us end this thing. American involvement will just draw out this war and cause more death. I already said I wasn't going to take any land from Argentina (although Bolivia and Paraguay are going to get some now). You can send down mediators from Washington if you want (or even have the peace talks in Washington). I want this thing over as much as you, but Argentina has to be disarmed.

OOC: Given that the US has made very clear it opposes Brazil's invasion of Argentina and that Bolivia and Paraguay should pull out of their occupied territories "immediately" it would be an utter humiliation for TR and the US Government to back down now, particularly as its an election year and TR would want to project an image of strength. US authority in South America would also be damaged. The dye has already been cast so to speak.
Cylea
30-10-2006, 23:41
OOC to Koryan: Dont you dare try to use the moral high ground on me. American involvement up to this point was to prevent needless deaths in the first place and always has been. It was Brazilian stubborness, not Argentinian that has caused nearly a third of a million casualities on both sides. I might add that over 70% of that--nearly a quarter million--were Brazilian. Mediators from Washington have been eager to step in for sometime now, but will accept terms that maintain the rights of all nations to defend themselves. If Argentina is so much of a threat to peace that they must be disarmed, Brazil is far worse of a case and deserves the exact same treatment. But damn it, lets TALK about this! If you would just stop shooting for a second there would be a great chance of getting alot of the terms you wanted, especially now that the NPC Argentina will act reasonably!

IC:

The United States on June 30th orders the dreadnaughts USS Delaware, USS North Dakota, USS Florida, and USS Utah to South America. Accompanying them are two destroyer flotillas, 8 light cruisers, and 3 brigades of US Marines. American interests in the region are directly at stake and a direct response is now necessary.

Washington declares Buenos Aires a neutral zone in this war, as American and other foreign businesses/civilians run the risk of destruction should an assault on the city commence. US marines are to land there and secure the capital. An attack on these troops will likely be considered a declaration of war on the United States. Talk in newspapers back home points out that there are also American civilians and business interests in a number of Brazilian port cities the fleet will pass on the way...

The United States desires only an end to this ridiculous war. Brazil, and its opportunistic allies are to stop their advance on Argentina immediately. All nations involved are "invited" to Washington for a second round of peace talks. All sides have suffered too much in this war--the need for further punishing measures is minimal. (stop fighting now and I promise--tabula rasa. Brazil wont have anything held against them for their aggression. Keep going and I cant still make that guarantee)

SIC: The Argentine government is informed that should an attack on Buenos Aires occur before the Americans can arrive, they should seek shelter in the US embassy. This offer is contingent upon the request for German aid being canceled. Argentina should strengthen its defensive positions but make no counterattacks on any nations to demonstrate their willingness for peace.
Galveston Bay
31-10-2006, 00:12
ooc
remember to be nice

secondly, nothing will happen (except for talking points) until Thursday (when its July).

Argentina will obviously agree to US terms as indicated so far

Argentina grumbles a bit about Chile stealing the rest of Terra Del Fuego but decides the last thing it needs is yet another enemy.

US fleet will not reach Equator until mid July, and Buenes Aires by July 22 (remember loading times, and preparations take time as well)
[NS]Parthini
31-10-2006, 03:25
SIC: Britain offers to sell Argentina 2 predreadnoughts for 2 points and a withdrawl of claims on the Falkland Islands. The points will be allowed to be paid at a later time.
Galveston Bay
31-10-2006, 09:00
Parthini;11880045']SIC: Britain offers to sell Argentina 2 predreadnoughts for 2 points and a withdrawl of claims on the Falkland Islands. The points will be allowed to be paid at a later time.

Argentina thanks the UK for its offer, but would be more interested in military aid to repar its army instead, if it is going to surrender its claim to the Malvinas.

In addition, the Argentine government asks the US government to pressure the Chilean government to pay for its acquisition of Terra del Fuego (ooc say 4 points)
Cylea
31-10-2006, 15:35
The US pressures Chile to reimburse Argentina in the nicest way possible so as not to provoke them in this delicate time.
Galveston Bay
02-11-2006, 20:38
In early July, Paraguay and Bolivia both announce that their pursuit of bandits in the border regions of Argentina have ended, and now that order has been restored, are cooperating with Argentine civil and police officials and are returning to their side of the border.

ooc
the US is scary and heading thir way

if no response from Philasanchez (Chile) by weekend, Chile will make a payment arrangement with Argentina
[NS]Parthini
03-11-2006, 04:01
Argentina thanks the UK for its offer, but would be more interested in military aid to repar its army instead, if it is going to surrender its claim to the Malvinas.

In addition, the Argentine government asks the US government to pressure the Chilean government to pay for its acquisition of Terra del Fuego (ooc say 4 points)

Argentina is asked what their needs are currently, regarding army repairs.
Galveston Bay
03-11-2006, 04:55
Parthini;11894102']Argentina is asked what their needs are currently, regarding army repairs.

Argentina requests specific aid to rebuild shattered units

ooc
6 points to build militia, plus another 4 to build some light infantry (which will take longer)
Koryan
04-11-2006, 07:31
OOC to Koryan: Dont you dare try to use the moral high ground on me. American involvement up to this point was to prevent needless deaths in the first place and always has been. It was Brazilian stubborness, not Argentinian that has caused nearly a third of a million casualities on both sides. I might add that over 70% of that--nearly a quarter million--were Brazilian. Mediators from Washington have been eager to step in for sometime now, but will accept terms that maintain the rights of all nations to defend themselves. If Argentina is so much of a threat to peace that they must be disarmed, Brazil is far worse of a case and deserves the exact same treatment. But damn it, lets TALK about this! If you would just stop shooting for a second there would be a great chance of getting alot of the terms you wanted, especially now that the NPC Argentina will act reasonably!

IC:

The United States on June 30th orders the dreadnaughts USS Delaware, USS North Dakota, USS Florida, and USS Utah to South America. Accompanying them are two destroyer flotillas, 8 light cruisers, and 3 brigades of US Marines. American interests in the region are directly at stake and a direct response is now necessary.

Washington declares Buenos Aires a neutral zone in this war, as American and other foreign businesses/civilians run the risk of destruction should an assault on the city commence. US marines are to land there and secure the capital. An attack on these troops will likely be considered a declaration of war on the United States. Talk in newspapers back home points out that there are also American civilians and business interests in a number of Brazilian port cities the fleet will pass on the way...

The United States desires only an end to this ridiculous war. Brazil, and its opportunistic allies are to stop their advance on Argentina immediately. All nations involved are "invited" to Washington for a second round of peace talks. All sides have suffered too much in this war--the need for further punishing measures is minimal. (stop fighting now and I promise--tabula rasa. Brazil wont have anything held against them for their aggression. Keep going and I cant still make that guarantee)

OOC: Yeah, my computer just died earlier this week so I'll have little or no internet access until the new computer arrives at the end of next week (I'm actually on my Grandparent's computer right now). Because of this, Brazil might have to go under NPC control for a week. And Cylea, I didn't mean to piss you off that bad. It's just that if three American ships were destroyed, you'd want a little revenge as well.

IC:
Brazil agrees to halt all advances. Brazilian forces will begin withdrawing on the condition that they are not attacked or harrassed in any way by Argentine forces. Ambassadors will return yet again to Washington to finally end this ordeal.
Cylea
04-11-2006, 17:38
OOC: I think its fairly obvious in hindsight that my ooc behavior was an overreaction to what was going on. You certainly have my apologies Koryan if I offended you--I am just eager to see this mess overwith. You are right--three destroyed American ships would have made me invade a country and I suppose I have to admit some hypocrisy in my moves here. I suppose I apologize for that too. No hard feelings though.

IC:

The United States thanks the Brazilians for their offer of peace. The loading of marines and organization of the fleet continues for the next week to assure the Argentineans that the occupation of Buenos Aires may still go forward if their leadership does anything rash like attacking the withdrawing Brazilians. As a gesture of goodwill, it is also "recommended" that the blockade of Brazil be lifted as troops withdraw.

Washington invites Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Bolivia, and Paraguay to a second round of peace talks. Eager to get things back to normal, the US proposes status quo ante bellum with only a few exceptions. Chile may keep Tierra del Fuego if it properly reimburses Argentina for it. Of course, the original terms of the first Washington Talks will be enforced

1. The United States agrees to recognize and enforce a cease-fire between Argentina and Bolivia, Argentina and Brazil, Argentina and Chile, Argentina and Paraguay, and Argentina and Uruguay.

2. Argentina will pay reparations to Bolivia for all damages caused by the Argentine invasion. The government of Argentina will offer an apology to those killed by Argentine soldiers. The government of Bolivia will offer an apology to citizens of Argentina killed before the invasion, if any evidence proves that such events actually took place. Argentina and Chile will both promise to never support an insurgency within Bolivia.

3. Brazil, Argentina, and Chile will agree to never fund hostile operation, whether overt or covert, against each other. Should an insurgency be supported by a third party nation (such as Bolivia or Paraguay), all three nations will discuss a reasonable solution to the issue and will attempt to stop the insurgency as peacefully as possible.

As reparations between Argentina and Brazil will only serve to reinflame the tricky issue of guilt, which both sides have plenty of, it is proposed that none occur. That either Brazil or Argentina deserve to pay for their actions is rather easily argued by either side, so this is the easiest way out. However, when US aid to the region begins again (probably some small amounts at the end of 1913, which should only be used on infastructure or industry, not military), the Brazilian aid will include a small stipend to be given to the families of Brazilian sailors. It may not be much, or bring back loved ones, but the United States understands that all nations must lose brave young men in the course of duty to their states.
Galveston Bay
04-11-2006, 21:01
Argentina agrees to end the blockade once Brazilian troops have retreated across the border

Argentina also agrees to the peace talk proposal
Koryan
04-11-2006, 23:01
OOC: Well if everyone agrees to the ceasefire terms and all troops are withdrawn to their home nations, can't we just sign a peace treaty? There's nothing really to talk about.
Cylea
04-11-2006, 23:09
ooc: i tend to agree. That would be fastest.
Galveston Bay
05-11-2006, 07:04
OOC: Well if everyone agrees to the ceasefire terms and all troops are withdrawn to their home nations, can't we just sign a peace treaty? There's nothing really to talk about.

post your terms, Argentina will respond
Koryan
05-11-2006, 18:17
I guess the terms will just be for a longer-lasting peace. We can have things like replacing the current cease-fires with 10-year non-aggression pacts (which starting in 1913). And of course point 3 should be part of the peace treaty so this doesn't happen again.

3. Brazil, Argentina, and Chile will agree to never fund hostile operation, whether overt or covert, against each other. Should an insurgency be supported by a third party nation (such as Bolivia or Paraguay), all three nations will discuss a reasonable solution to the issue and will attempt to stop the insurgency as peacefully as possible.

The 10-year non-aggression pacts can be reduced to five years or lengthened to whatever Argentina wants. I don't really care.