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The Federation of Zanski, a proud multicultural republic, is proud to announce the opening of the World Anti Fascist Organisation (WAFO).
All willing nations can join, and together we can unite against the biggest demon in modern society.

The World Anti Fascist Organisation hereby:

Opposes
Racism, Ageism, and any other type of Prejudism, oppression of any kind of ethnic group or people.

Announces
That the WAFO shall unite (non-military) against any war or event that breaks any of the clauses above;
That the WAFO accept any kind of non-dictatorship government;
That the WAFO grand council building be in Xanka, the capital city of Zanski;
That Zanski and the High Council reserve the right to permenantly expell members from the organisation

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Founding member
High Council
Regular Members


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Members:

Zanski

Greetings from the Republic of Ackistan!

Like your nation, we oppose prejudice. If it were not for the clause required member nations to unit in war against those who disagree, we would have joined.

Best wishes,
Angelina Whittaker
Secretary of State

Greetings from the Republic of Ackistan!

Like your nation, we oppose prejudice. If it were not for the clause required member nations to unit in war against those who disagree, we would have joined.

Best wishes,
Angelina Whittaker
Secretary of State

I think you have got me wrong. It sats Unite Against, not in.

Dear all you spineless, weak, cowardly fools that still cling to the outmoded ideal of rule by the pitiful untermensch,

we here in the National Socialist State of Skgorria find you utter contemptible and rather amusing. In fact, we broke the formation of this pathetic group to a bunch of SS guards as they were shovelling bodies into the ovens. They had a jolly good laugh, and then went back to their glorious task of some more corpse-shovelling.

These things that you speak badly off, racism, ageism, they're not bad. They're bloody common sense! Aryans are clearly the superior form of life, everything else deserves to be wiped out in a hail of purifying flames. By the way, we figure we should enlighten you puny morons that there is no such word as "prejudism". Perhaps the word you were looking for was "prejudice", or "we are too stupid to write a proper sentence".

No longer will weaklings rule the White Man by lies and deceit, but, the warrior will make his comeback, and rule by strength, honesty and love for his race!

Sieg Heil!

BASH THE FASH!

Atopiana stands 100% behind this idea, and demands that the WAFO proceed with the CLASS WAR!

DEATH TO THE BOSS CLASS, THE BOURGOISIE AND THE PEDDLERS OF LIES! EXTERMINATE THE EMPLOYING CLASS! HANG THE PRIESTS WITH THE ENTRAILS OF THE CAPITALISTS!

BURN THE CHURCHES, BLOW UP THE BANKS!

And... above all...

BASH THE FASH!

OOC: Are we going to have an anti every single political ideology orginisation?

OOC: Are we going to have an anti every single political ideology orginisation?

OOC: *shudder*

OOC: lol that you shudder about the creation of new anti-ideology groups, but not vehement nazism or anarchsim

BASH THE FASH!

Atopiana stands 100% behind this idea, and demands that the WAFO proceed with the CLASS WAR!

DEATH TO THE BOSS CLASS, THE BOURGOISIE AND THE PEDDLERS OF LIES! EXTERMINATE THE EMPLOYING CLASS! HANG THE PRIESTS WITH THE ENTRAILS OF THE CAPITALISTS!

BURN THE CHURCHES, BLOW UP THE BANKS!

And... above all...

BASH THE FASH!



Ya know, I wouldn't have joined this org. but would have been neutral towards it.

For this post, I'm now against this org.

Also, Skgorria, it's a game. Just because someone may support nazism on nationstates (which I doubt he does anyways), it's still a GAME(-like thing).

Just like I'm not communist in real life, but on NS I am.

OOC: To the ovens, Skgorria, to the people-ovens! :p

IC:

ATOPIANA DEMANDS THE IMMEDIATE DESTRUCTION OF THE RICH AND THE EXPROPRIATION AND REDISTRIBUTION OF THEIR WEALTH!

OOC: lol that you shudder about the creation of new anti-ideology groups, but not vehement nazism or anarchsim

OOC: Uh-huh. Because that's exactly what I said.

OOC: what do you mean Icovir? I'm just RP'ing a Nazi state, and having a lot of fun doing it

WHEEEE for Nazi RP'ing!

EDIT: LNI, i only said that because you quoted Clandonia Prime in your post, apologies if I grabbed the wrong end of the stick

OOC: Uh-huh. Because that's exactly what I said.

OOC: lol, the ignorance of OOC posts (not your's) are astounding. People assuming things about real-life people from their IC (In Character) posts... What has the world come to?

But then again, RP'ing is great, but RL accusations on NS suck.

IC: Icovir strongly discourages Atopiana from doing that. It'll crush your civil rights, political freedoms, and economy.

But hey, it's your nation. Do as you wish.

EDIT (OOC): nvm, Skgorria wasn't insulting people. My bad.

OOC: To the ovens, Skgorria, to the people-ovens! :p

IC:

ATOPIANA DEMANDS THE IMMEDIATE DESTRUCTION OF THE RICH AND THE EXPROPRIATION AND REDISTRIBUTION OF THEIR WEALTH!

And Zukariaa demands that you shut the fuck up, Commie. You can't possibly be anti-fascists with all of the shit you're hurling around.

OOC-No OOC offense. :D

Brettonian Ministry of Information
Official Statement

What a rotten, laughable stance! Truly, if this is not a national joke, the world is in dire times.

Today, our world is plagued by horrendous evils: socialism, nonhumans, religious zealots, and any number of other freak, insane and moronic assembly of sorts. Only through the absolute strength of will of the righteous can we survive the deluge of filth and scum that surrounds us on all sides. For this to happen, a population must have determination and loyalty to their state, and the state must protect its faithful by crushing their enemies before the enemy acts first.

To survive, what you call "Fascism" is not only an excellent method, but indeed, it is the best method! When we go to war to free the market and free the property of those oppressed by communism, our population stands behind us, because they too understand that the strong state that utterly defeats all its enemies is the only way to keep a safe and secure society.

Take back your leftist agenda, for we care not for it. Tread lightly, you Bolshevik scum, for we have "enlightened" those who disagree and would preach their foul sermons for lesser offenses than this.

Skgorria welcomes Bretton's announcment of its ideology, and is proud to see that our glorious ideals are being spread and maintained despite the conspiracies of Jews and Bolsheviks alike

Sieg Heil!

The Atopian Central Council laughs at the 'advice' and threats bandied about by regressive, counter-revolutionary fascist nations!

By refusing to eradicate - through the only permanent means possible - the inequality between rich and poor, by refusing to finally destroy the gilded cage that restrains the working masses, you show yourselves to be fascist sympathisers!

This does not surprise Atopia - fascism is merely the highest form of naked capitalism, unshrouded by such fig-leaf conceits as 'liberal democracy' or 'monarchy'!

You are hypocrites, oppressors and - yourselves - fascist swine! You deserve no mercy! Atopia calls upon the proletarians of the world to unite, throw off your chains, and KILL YOUR BOSSES!

The Federation of Zanski, a proud multicultural republic, is proud to announce the opening of the World Anti Fascist Organisation (WAFO).
All willing nations can join, and together we can unite against the biggest demon in modern society.

The World Anti Fascist Organisation hereby:

Opposes
Racism, Ageism, and any other type of Prejudism, oppression of any kind of ethnic group or people.

Announces
That the WAFO shall unite (non-military) against any war or event that breaks any of the clauses above;
That the WAFO accept any kind of non-dictatorship government;
That the WAFO grand council building be in Xanka, the capital city of Zanski;
That Zanski and the High Council reserve the right to permenantly expell members from the organisation
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While we admire your spirit and sense of right and wrong, we must inform you that you seem to be thinking of Nazism, not Fascism. Fascism in and of itself is not racist; in fact, Mussolini's mistress was a Jewess.

And we also must note that you cannot exclude all "prejudices"; every bias is a prejudice. You don't enjoy a certain sort of weather? That is a prejudice.
When you say "oppression against any kind of ethnic group or people," do you really mean to include all people? After all, throwing criminals in prison is oppressing their group of people, be it deserved. Are you against that?

We are clearly very critical of your alliance; know, however, that this is not out of any sort of malice against you, but concern that you may be misguided.

BASH THE FASH!

Atopiana stands 100% behind this idea, and demands that the WAFO proceed with the CLASS WAR!

DEATH TO THE BOSS CLASS, THE BOURGOISIE AND THE PEDDLERS OF LIES! EXTERMINATE THE EMPLOYING CLASS! HANG THE PRIESTS WITH THE ENTRAILS OF THE CAPITALISTS!

BURN THE CHURCHES, BLOW UP THE BANKS!

And... above all...

BASH THE FASH!

Ah . . . sir, you are an ignoramus (though I mean that in the nicest way possible).

The "bourgoisie" and "capitalists" who have the "churches" and "banks" were the enemies of Fascism, not Fascists themselves. Fascism and Communism both arose out of the weakness of the capitalists following World War I and the Great Depression; they competed, and thus hated one another. The Fascists actually played off the rational fear of the communists to gain power.

And I believe that the violent thing you said at the end comes from where radicals amongst the enlightenment (republicans, not fascists), sought the day when the land king was strangled with the entrails of the last priest. This was seeking a fall of the medieval power structure, something that would lead to the rise of the capitalists.

Icovir is extremely anti-facist, but think what you want of us. Icovir isn't seeking the opinion of the world, but rather the opinion of her people.

The Atopian Central Council laughs at the 'advice' and threats bandied about by regressive, counter-revolutionary fascist nations!

By refusing to eradicate - through the only permanent means possible - the inequality between rich and poor, by refusing to finally destroy the gilded cage that restrains the working masses, you show yourselves to be fascist sympathisers!

This does not surprise Atopia - fascism is merely the highest form of naked capitalism, unshrouded by such fig-leaf conceits as 'liberal democracy' or 'monarchy'!

You are hypocrites, oppressors and - yourselves - fascist swine! You deserve no mercy! Atopia calls upon the proletarians of the world to unite, throw off your chains, and KILL YOUR BOSSES!

You appear to be greatly misinformed.

As we have repeatedly pointed out, Fascism is an enemy of Capitalism just as it is one of communism. To call Fascism "the highest form of naked capitalism" is to illustrate the greatest ignorance of the privatized principals of capitalism, the statist principals of Fascism, or both.

Icovir is extremely anti-facist, but think what you want of us. Icovir isn't seeking the opinion of the world, but rather the opinion of her people.

That is one of the most enlightened views we have ever seen. Our respect for you has just greatly increased (though you don't care).

While we admire your spirit and sense of right and wrong, we must inform you that you seem to be thinking of Nazism, not Fascism. Fascism in and of itself is not racist; in fact, Mussolini's mistress was a Jewess.

True enough - but the ideology is inherently anti-worker! DEATH TO THE FASH, for the fascist is a boss, and the boss is an amoral killer who deserves NO QUARTER and NO MERCY!

And we also must note that you cannot exclude all "prejudices"; every bias is a prejudice. You don't enjoy a certain sort of weather? That is a prejudice.
When you say "oppression against any kind of ethnic group or people," do you really mean to include all people? After all, throwing criminals in prison is oppressing their group of people, be it deserved. Are you against that?

We are clearly very critical of your alliance; know, however, that this is not out of any sort of malice against you, but concern that you may be misguided.

We in Atopia have abolished prisons. We have no crime, for there is no legality! The inherent revolutionary social solidarity of the working class holds society together far better than any thugs in blue ever could!



Ah . . . sir, you are an ignoramus (though I mean that in the nicest way possible).

The "bourgoisie" and "capitalists" who have the "churches" and "banks" were the enemies of Fascism, not Fascists themselves. Fascism and Communism both arose out of the weakness of the capitalists following World War I and the Great Depression; they competed, and thus hated one another. The Fascists actually played off the rational fear of the communists to gain power.

OOC: Communism was around before WWI, comrade. :p The capitalists gain from fascism - except Codreanu's Iron Guard Christian-Fascism and Primo de Rivera's FE de las JONS, and both of those organisations were stamped out and destroyed by, oh yeh... the capitalists. I'm perfectly well aware of the intricacies of Fascism - I'm directly related to one of Britain's experts on Fascism (and the BUF in particular).

I believe that the violent thing you said at the end comes from where radicals amongst the enlightenment (republicans, not fascists), sought the day when the land king was strangled with the entrails of the last priest. This was seeking a fall of the medieval power structure, something that would lead to the rise of the capitalists.

OOC: You believe wrongly, I'm afraid. The slogan "The Revolution will not end until the last priest is hung with the entrails of the last capitalist" is either Russian or Spanish, and dates back no later than the era of the Propganda of the Deed, e.g. late 19th-early 20th Centuries.

We in Atopia have abolished prisons. We have no crime, for there is no legality! The inherent revolutionary social solidarity of the working class holds society together far better than any thugs in blue ever could!

*wipes a tear* Thanks. I needed a good laugh.

True enough - but the ideology is inherently anti-worker! DEATH TO THE FASH, for the fascist is a boss, and the boss is an amoral killer who deserves NO QUARTER and NO MERCY!



We in Atopia have abolished prisons. We have no crime, for there is no legality! The inherent revolutionary social solidarity of the working class holds society together far better than any thugs in blue ever could!





OOC: Communism was around before WWI, comrade. :p The capitalists gain from fascism - except Codreanu's Iron Guard Christian-Fascism and Primo de Rivera's FE de las JONS, and both of those organisations were stamped out and destroyed by, oh yeh... the capitalists. I'm perfectly well aware of the intricacies of Fascism - I'm directly related to one of Britain's experts on Fascism (and the BUF in particular).



OOC: You believe wrongly, I'm afraid. The slogan "The Revolution will not end until the last priest is hung with the entrails of the last capitalist" is either Russian or Spanish, and dates back no later than the era of the Propganda of the Deed, e.g. late 19th-early 20th Centuries.

1-2. I was not talking to you

3. We know that Communism was around before WWI. However, they did not gain any power until the Russian revolution (1917), and then experienced dramatic growth in power when the Capitalists had their depression (the Great Depression). If you are well aware of Fascism (as you claim and at this point I have no reason to disbelieve, though blood relation to someone does not constitute knowledge sharing), then you know that its very statist principals spit in the face of capitalism, which involves economic freedom from the state. Even if those who would otherwise be capitalists benefit from Fascism, it does not make it capitalism.

4. You are probably right there. I read it the other way in a book which was, at that point, talking about enlightenment radicals, but it may have been making a reference to that quote that you are talking about.

That is one of the most enlightened views we have ever seen. Our respect for you has just greatly increased (though you don't care).

OOC: lol, we don't care, but we still are thankful for that comment.

Sovereign Heights]Snip

I agree, I agree.

*wipes a tear* Thanks. I needed a good laugh.

OOC: What? This is a made-up nation in a made-up world... anything is possible, even utopia. :) :p

IC: You laugh at the achievements of the united working class? Then you are a running dog and a lackey of capital, amongst other - viler - things!

1-2. I was not talking to you

Don't care, I answered anyway. :p

3. We know that Communism was around before WWI. However, they did not gain any power until the Russian revolution (1917),

Before the depression...

...and then experienced dramatic growth in power when the Capitalists had their depression (the Great Depression).

Communism experienced a dramatic growth in power partly because of the failure of capitalism, and significantly because it appeared at the time as though communism - or the Soviet model, e.g. Leninism/Bolshevism - provided a workable alternative (although us Anarchists had already pointed out the inherent flaws in communism, thanks to Bakunin, and after Kronstadt in 1921 stopped supporting the USSR outright).

If you are well aware of Fascism (as you claim and at this point I have no reason to disbelieve, though blood relation to someone does not constitute knowledge sharing), then you know that its very statist principals spit in the face of capitalism, which involves economic freedom from the state. Even if those who would otherwise be capitalists benefit from Fascism, it does not make it capitalism.

Oh, agreed - if you're talking about the pure, unsullied, fascist ideology. You'll note that Musso was good for Italian business, and the only two Fascist movements that seriously threatened big business were crushed... by big business. As put into practice, however, fascism and it's chum, national socialism, were merely more refined examples of capitalism. They removed all the blocks on capital that Trades Unions etc had put in place, and gave it free reign. Fascism - capitalism. Two sides of the same coin, and both sides are bad for the working class.

Much like Communism really. :p

EDIT:

To call Fascism "the highest form of naked capitalism" is to illustrate the greatest ignorance of the privatized principals of capitalism, the statist principals of Fascism, or both.

No, it's to use a typical Communist Party critique in an in-character post... :rolleyes:

Before the depression...

Communism experienced a dramatic growth in power partly because of the failure of capitalism, and significantly because it appeared at the time as though communism - or the Soviet model, e.g. Leninism/Bolshevism - provided a workable alternative (although us Anarchists had already pointed out the inherent flaws in communism, thanks to Bakunin, and after Kronstadt in 1921 stopped supporting the USSR outright).

Oh, agreed - if you're talking about the pure, unsullied, fascist ideology. You'll note that Musso was good for Italian business, and the only two Fascist movements that seriously threatened big business were crushed... by big business. As put into practice, however, fascism and it's chum, national socialism, were merely more refined examples of capitalism. They removed all the blocks on capital that Trades Unions etc had put in place, and gave it free reign. Fascism - capitalism. Two sides of the same coin, and both sides are bad for the working class.

Much like Communism really. :p

EDIT:

No, it's to use a typical Communist Party critique in an in-character post... :rolleyes:

1. That was taken out of context. OF COURSE it was before the depression. I recall mentioning that they gained some power before the depression, but it was the depression that allowed them (and the Fascists) to truely expand.

2. Yes, this is true, though it is not a counter argument but merely stating what I meant in a different way. The reason anyone considered looking for a reasonable alternative is because it appeared that capitalism failed.

3. I, as a rule, always talk about the purer forms of whatever it is we are talking about by default; I specifically mention it if I am talking about perversions. And, as I said before, government intervention is not capitalism, whether it helps the businesses or attacks them.

4. Before you started labeling your posts OOC for some reason, I assumed this was all sort of quasi-IC, thus making my comment how my IC people would respond.

Brettonian Ministry of Information
Official Statement

Revolutions? Populism? Class warfare? Socialist economic theory? Oh, please, do go on, your attempts at political humor are great indeed.

Communism is a DISEASE, and a powerful state, with indomitable capitalism as its shield and juggernaut nationalism as its sword, is the CURE. Equality, you say, how repugnant. Civilization needs, craves, order. Order that will be provided by those with the strength to give. It is we Brettonians, fearless of the gibbering, mindless masses that shall reward this world with what it truly desires: peace, normalcy, order.

So you speak of "rising up" to kill your bosses. Your "proletarian revolution" that will sweep away our invincible society of industrialism and militarism. Fine by us.

Brettonia fears not your unwashed peasants with half-baked socioeconomic ideology and rusty Kalashnikovs. We welcome, nay, encourage your Proletariat to paint bullseyes on themselves and take a stand. Our Stahlkörper (http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a229/MalikCarr/a3b3763d.png) will be ready.

Parthian Foreign Ministry Statement

Upon careful consideration by the Shah of Parthia, we deem this organization to be Marxist in nature, and therefore, nothing less than a scourge upon this world. Communism is a cancerous rot, destroying the world by spreading from nation to nation, only stopped by the efforts of my intelligence services who track down and destroy Communists in our nation. This organization, a hotbed of Marxism, Socialism, and other Left-Wing evils in need of destruction, will be watched very closely, and if any attempt is made to invade a non-Marxist nation to spread revolution, in violation of national sovereignty, we will strike and destroy all who are responsible.

We ourselves smell Imperialism in this alliance, and we request, that, before any action is allowed against a Fascist nation, you must file proof to the International community that the nation you plan to invade is guilty of the crimes of Racism, Ageism, and any other type of Prejudism, oppression of any kind of ethnic group or people.

All of these are not a requirement of a Fascist nation. -The Lone Alliance

Prejudism isn't a real world, democratic dolt!

Brettonian Ministry of Information
Official Statement

What a rotten, laughable stance! Truly, if this is not a national joke, the world is in dire times.

Today, our world is plagued by horrendous evils: socialism, nonhumans, religious zealots, and any number of other freak, insane and moronic assembly of sorts. Only through the absolute strength of will of the righteous can we survive the deluge of filth and scum that surrounds us on all sides. For this to happen, a population must have determination and loyalty to their state, and the state must protect its faithful by crushing their enemies before the enemy acts first.

To survive, what you call "Fascism" is not only an excellent method, but indeed, it is the best method! When we go to war to free the market and free the property of those oppressed by communism, our population stands behind us, because they too understand that the strong state that utterly defeats all its enemies is the only way to keep a safe and secure society.

Take back your leftist agenda, for we care not for it. Tread lightly, you Bolshevik scum, for we have "enlightened" those who disagree and would preach their foul sermons for lesser offenses than this.

Official Diplomatic Communication

Finally, kindered spirits in the unending war against the horrors of humanity. Radicalism, inhuman imperialists, racists, bigots, sexists, anything that denies what is true about all of us. We are all people, and it is through the strength, the 'absolute strength' of the will of the people, not just our people, but all people can we even begin to hope to survive drowning in the sea of sickness that is human depraviety.

In our Second Civil War, our leader, High Father, died to save us from the ideals of the Radical Socialists, Communists, Racists. We shall never forget that sacrifice. We stand by our 'Facist' allies and show them that a 'strong state that utterly defeats all its enemies is the only way to keep a safe and secure society.'

[END]

Why do you claim to oppose Fascism when rightly you should be claiming yourself an anti-Prejudism organization? Fascism in itself houses no Prejudism and many nations such as mine would support this organization as strongly as non-Fascists.

Your claim of accepting any non-Dictatorial regime also does not exclude my nation as Fascism does not have to be Dictatorships and many of it's models for government include at least a small ammount of Democratic ideals.

Benjammin Tow
President for Life
Fascist Republic of Voxio

DEMOCRATIC SOVIET REPUBLIC OF KAHANISTAN
Ministry of Foreign Affairs

The Government of Kahanistan is willing to align with this organization. We are a socialist state, but we are also democratic; our elected President is limited in what he or she can do by the Constitution of Kahanistan and the elected legislature.

Most of our military enemies with very few exceptions have been dictatorships or other repressive regimes. We have had many wars with fascist states over the past year, and almost none with non-fascist nations.

Signed,
Margaret Delray,
Minister of Foreign Affairs

Why do you claim to oppose Fascism when rightly you should be claiming yourself an anti-Prejudism organization?

Dear the International Community,

it greatly irritates us that some of you untermensch insist that 'prejudism' is a real word when it is not! It is a foul invention perpetrated by the hidious Bolsheviks and Zionists.

Now before any of you start going "YESH IT IZ", see what happens when you search for 'prejudism' on the Oxford Dictionary website (I am assuming that despite your less than stellar grasp of language, you can click a link):

http://www.askoxford.com/results/?view=dev_dict&field-12668446=prejudism&branch=13842570&textsearchtype=exact&sortorder=score%2Cname

What's that I hear some of you cry? That we shouldn't be using a British dictionary, because we're all Americans right? Well in that case let us turn to the Websters Dictionary...

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/prejudism

Once again, no results!

I have no problem with you labelling me or any of my co-fascist sympathisers as 'prejudiced', or saying that we have many 'prejudices', but you can't just go around making up words simply because you fancy it. 'Prejudice' is the noun, not 'prejudism'.

I will even treat you all to an example sentence of how to use 'prejudice' as a noun (well it is mainly for the benefit of Voxio and The Lone Alliance, plus one other who I forgot)

"Skgorria shows much prejudice towards those who make up words"

Thankyou for your time,

Skgorrian National Socialist Council For Language Control

Prejudism isn't a real world, democratic dolt!

:eek: You've never heard of Planet Prejudism?