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I'm kind of annoyed with how big this stinking Blackhelm war has begun, so I decided to create this thread.
Basically, the point of his hread is to sum up who's fighting Blackhelm, who's supporting it, and where People are fighting.
Moreover, please mention what this has to do with the Blackhelm war, and if possible, mention the location and post links.

1. Demon 666 and Leafanistan vs. Hataria (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=502961) -East Asia
Hataria declared war on me for expressing pro-CA sentiments-currently there is an invasion of Manchuria anad a major naval battle in the Sea of Japan.

2.Maldorians (pro-CA) vs. Galmiria (anti-CA)

3. Beiraq (pro-Blackhelm) vs. Icovir (anti-Blackhelm)
4. NS Zukarria (pro-CA) vs. The World Soviet Party (anti-CA)
5. Infinite Crucibles, The Peoples Freedom, New Ausha (anti-CA) vs. Emperor Pudu, Blackhelm Confederacy, Undershi (pro-CA)
Undershi is currently invading TPF
6. Hataria is currenly invading Undershi

FINALLY! I was hoping to be the number monkey for this war, and this thread, assuming it gets responses, will allow me to do so.

I was actually planning to make another thread similar to this, and probably still will once my hw slows down, since this one is just different enough . . .

Um . . . carry on, then.

I guess I'll start
Demon 666 (pro-CA) and Groznyj (they jumped in on my side as anti-Hataria without knowing why the war began, so I don't if they'll support if they found out how the war began) vs. Hataria(anti-CA)- Fighting in East Asia, Hataria has launched an invasion of Demon 666, which had declared its support for the Blackhelm Confederacy. Currently, there is fighting in Manchuria, and a major naval clash off th Sea of Japan.

I am fighting Galmiria in Galmiria

Beiraq invaded me and the Blackhelm Confederacy took his side, so I guess I'm fighting against BC too.

I am fighting Galmiria in Galmiria

Technically he has plans to fight Galmira in Galmira. He hasn't managed to land anyone yet.

I am fighting Galmiria in Galmiria

Can you explain how this has anything pertaining to the Blackhelm war?

Perhaps it would be best to include links to the thread where the war is going on, like this one to the Invasion of the World Soviet Party (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=498377). It is this war that I am especially interested in, and would like to be in possession of lists of who is fighting for each side, as well as general casualty reports.

Can you explain how this has anything pertaining to the Blackhelm war?

well, BC was giving me(a member of the CA) logistic support

Can you explain how this has anything pertaining to the Blackhelm war?

Blackhelm Confederacy is, in theory, helping him there.

Can you explain how this has anything pertaining to the Blackhelm war?

Maldorians is a member of the CA, and Galmiria is currently supported by anti-CA forces, so you could say that this is a proxy war. Though I would personally classify it as yet another arm of the massive world war that is going on.

On second consideration, a further request:
Please post links and state what this has to do with the larger war.
MY link:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=502961

On second consideration, a further request:
Please post links and state what this has to do with the larger war.
MY link:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=502961

You can edit your first post and add this request. In fact, you should probably put a small explanation of each war (what you are asking for) and the link in the first post, for convienience sake.

I'm pro-CA. I'm helping defend the Confederacy and invading TWSP (if that is still going).

Well, you have also gotten the failed invasion by TPF and now counter invasion of TPF by Undershi, Hataria's invasion of Undershi, Infinite Crucibles successful landing at Divinity, the Spec Ops in New Ausha (which I am still awaiting a response) and the war in the Khornate Tribes.

Don't forget Rosdivan's privateering efforts, of which I'm a part of. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=503570) Just waiting for your response, Blackhelm.

Good God this war + the number crunching spin off threads (like this one) are going to make the sickest NSWIKI article of all time. Too bad I'm trying so hard to stay out of this war though, but it's just too much of a stalemated bloodbath for Groznyj's leaders to consider entering. Also I have no major affiliations with either side. So it's watch and learn for me.

woo! 250th Post!! And I didnt realize it till my 251st!!

Well, you have also gotten the failed invasion by TPF and now counter invasion of TPF by Undershi, Hataria's invasion of Undershi, Infinite Crucibles successful landing at Divinity, the Spec Ops in New Ausha (which I am still awaiting a response) and the war in the Khornate Tribes.

Can you give more details? I don't have time to read every thread, you know.

Hmm, Im wondering could this count as the 1st NS war? Its a hell of a lot larger than anything I know of (I began being active icly in july pop:1.2B so Im really sketchy on details b4 then)

woo post 251! (see above post)

Good God this war + the number crunching spin off threads (like this one) are going to make the sickest NSWIKI article of all time. Too bad I'm trying so hard to stay out of this war though, but it's just too much of a stalemated bloodbath for Groznyj's leaders to consider entering. Also I have no major affiliations with either side. So it's watch and learn for me.

Amen to that. I am going to love that article once it is done. Or started.

dont forget to write how I slaughtered Galmiria

dont forget to write how I slaughtered Galmiria

LOL!

Can you imagine if we were all real world leaders? My God, this world would've been gone by now.

Can't wait for that NSwiki article to be finished. All wars going on seem to be part of the massive CA-TWSP war.

Hmm, Im wondering could this count as the 1st NS war? Its a hell of a lot larger than anything I know of (I began being active icly in july pop:1.2B so Im really sketchy on details b4 then)

woo post 251! (see above post)

I'm going to assume you mean World War.

No.

There were at least ten so-called 'world' wars before I quit in early 2004. And with so many active RPing nations in NS, there is no way there could be a world war anymore.

Meh, I hate to pull a John Kerry and flip-flop, but I've been considering re-entering this war. The guilt of abandoning my allies has been getting to me...and I need to defend my honor, both IC and OOC...anyone have any objections to Tocrowkia becoming re-involved?

hmm any other oppinions? cuz there are those very few wars that suck so many in and spiral on for months.. besides not everyone rps acknowledging eachother

LOL!

Can you imagine if we were all real world leaders? My God, this world would've been gone by now.

Can't wait for that NSwiki article to be finished. All wars going on seem to be part of the massive CA-TWSP war.

Hey! I would *coughwillcough* be a good world leader. It is all you guys who go around shooting each other *coughthusprovidingmarketsforweaponsexportsmakingmerichcough*

During that main war,in which Hataria declared war on you, both TPF and IC made threads for their own invasion. IC went north, to Divinity, a semi-autonomous city state which lost its small navy in the battle. Confederate stealth ships harrased the IC fleet with their new Bladerunner torpedoes, but did not stop them, and they pushed through the coastal defenders and landed massive Peacekeepers that I hear are something like 4 stories tall or something.

TPF was not as lucky, as he went straight for the capitol, and had his boys butchered wholesale before they even got to the beach, as they had to make a 50 meter swim under immense fire thanks to my coastal defense. He sent aircraft, which were downed by my and Pudu's aircraft, and is now being torn up by my, Pudu, Undershi, and Zukariaa's forces as he retreats. TPF then got invaded Undershi in retaliation.

Due to this attack, Hataria invaded Undershi, and not much else has happened there.

Which is similar to Ausha, as I sent in Spec oops personnel, blew up a naval supply depot, and then he dissapeared.

And finally, the Khornate tribes has been going on since before this malady began, and CA forces are trying to eliminate barbarians who are keeping the city folk oppressed and murdered.

Meh, I hate to pull a John Kerry and flip-flop, but I've been considering re-entering this war. The guilt of abandoning my allies has been getting to me...and I need to defend my honor, both IC and OOC...anyone have any objections to Tocrowkia becoming re-involved?

1. Pull a John Kerry?! *laughs head off* Nice . . . Nice.

2. Um, you would probably have to pull a lot of character manuvering to make something like that IC logical. Imagine major leaders of a nation fighting a major war, then pulling out (for logical IC reasons that you will have to specify) then deciding, after the war has grown bigger and bloodier, not to mention far more expensive, for all involved, to get reinvolved?

3. I thought you hated your allies?

4. Pull a John Kerry . . . Nice.

1. Pull a John Kerry?! *laughs head off* Nice . . . Nice.

2. Um, you would probably have to pull a lot of character manuvering to make something like that IC logical. Imagine major leaders of a nation fighting a major war, then pulling out (for logical IC reasons that you will have to specify) then deciding, after the war has grown bigger and bloodier, not to mention far more expensive, for all involved, to get reinvolved?

3. I thought you hated your allies?

4. Pull a John Kerry . . . Nice.

2: Jeah, well, I could just say it was a fanciful ploy and that we withdrew momentarily to gather our true strength. <_>;;

3: I don't hate them, I dislike most of them for one reason or another, but it's an honor thing....just because I don't like something doesn't justify me abandoning it, leaving it to be enslaved, or worse.

2: Jeah, well, I could just say it was a fanciful ploy and that we withdrew momentarily to gather our true strength. <_>;;

3: I don't hate them, I dislike most of them for one reason or another, but it's an honor thing....just because I don't like something doesn't justify me abandoning it, leaving it to be enslaved, or worse.

2. That would be a little cheap, but I would not object beyond mentioning that it is a little cheap.

3. I think that your tensions with your allies give this a certain depth and realism. If there is like some sorts of rivalries or dislikes between your people, but you make alliance out of neccessity, it all makes it all more lifelike.

During that main war,in which Hataria declared war on you, both TPF and IC made threads for their own invasion. IC went north, to Divinity, a semi-autonomous city state which lost its small navy in the battle. Confederate stealth ships harrased the IC fleet with their new Bladerunner torpedoes, but did not stop them, and they pushed through the coastal defenders and landed massive Peacekeepers that I hear are something like 4 stories tall or something.

TPF was not as lucky, as he went straight for the capitol, and had his boys butchered wholesale before they even got to the beach, as they had to make a 50 meter swim under immense fire thanks to my coastal defense. He sent aircraft, which were downed by my and Pudu's aircraft, and is now being torn up by my, Pudu, Undershi, and Zukariaa's forces as he retreats. TPF then got invaded Undershi in retaliation.

Due to this attack, Hataria invaded Undershi, and not much else has happened there.

Which is similar to Ausha, as I sent in Spec oops personnel, blew up a naval supply depot, and then he dissapeared.

And finally, the Khornate tribes has been going on since before this malady began, and CA forces are trying to eliminate barbarians who are keeping the city folk oppressed and murdered.

Thaks dude, but could you post links to all of those which you have described? When you think about it, someone could use all this data to write the Wiki article for this, which will be fun as hell to read.

I have to admit, I was considering quitting NS before this, but this war has been so goddamn fun (except that Hataria sucks at RPing)

Actually the Khornate Tribes Situation is significantly more complex than BC has made it out to be.

LINKY (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=494171)

In summary:
From what i can gather the land of Khornate Tribes (Triballia to Crookfur oficials) is rahter like afghanistan with a distinct ethnic divsion between those who occupy what large cities there are in addition to the fertile lowland/ coastal areas and the Nomadic Tribes of the nation's interior. At some point the Worship of the Chaos god "Khorne" (for those of you who are not GWaholics think all the fantasy fiction evil gods of war, death, destruction, blood, skulls and furniture all rolled into one) spread amoungst some or all of the Nomadic Tribes, possibly sparked by soem outside influence who supplied them with arms and perhaps still does. The tribes then went on a rampage through the lands of the "city people" destroying msot of the cities in the process. An apeal for aid was sent and was answered initally by Skgorria, Crookfur and Neue Neue Deutchland. This first wave of outside assitance were able to occupy and stabilise the capitol in addition to a couple of major port cities. As this first wave were entrenching thier postions a follow up wave of assitance came in the form of Red Tide and various memebers of the CA. As far as can be gathered Red Tibe forces were working with Skgorria and expanded thier zone of control. CA forces were noted making deals with international criminal sydicates and initally amde a push towards the capitol before realising that it was heald by signifcant Crookfur forces.
After this the CA forces, on a few occasions supported by Skgorrian aircraft made soem attempts at stamping out local cultist activity with generally indiscrinate and ill conceived tactics, including the detonation of nuclear weapons by Undershi. At some point Neue Neue Deutchland withdrew thier forces in the face of threats from Undershi. A final wave of outside help arrived in the form of Hurtful Thoguhts and some other GASN members and sicne then each "power block" has been attempting to bring thier zone of control into soem kind of order.
On the face of it the Crookfur and HT/GASN zones seem the most peaceful as those powers seek to rebiuld the infrastructure and adminsitration of the nation as well as rebiulding and equipping the indiginous defence forces, although the odd isolated bout of cultist activity still flares up and there are hints of something much darker in the souls of the city people.

The CA zone is the most troublesome as they continue to be beset by raids originating from both cultists bands (who have become a lot better equipped and trained recently) and nationalist groups angered at the fact the CA seem to have come as conquerors, not saviors. At least some of the nationalist groups are actually aligned with another choas power (slannesh) and quite a few of them are defectors from the Indiginous Defence forces being set by foreign powers and thus are often very very well equipped and trained.

The reasons why the CA seem to be getting a bit more trouble are varied: on one hand they have proven themselves to be foudn of disproprotionate responses which kill number sof civilians which pleases the Khorne cultists, they have been acting rahter more agressively and apparently seak to exploit the nation, which pisses off the nationalists and thier zone of control occupies and salient which effectively cuts the disputed/uncontrolled sector of the nation in two and so is transited by cultists forces on a regular basis.

There you go a ncie short summary of the KT situation :)

The list appears to have skipped myself.

Anti CA, attacking Griffencrest corporation, and supporting other Anti-CA actions (mostly in New Ausha, Khornate tribes, and TWSP).

IC reason, see Khornate tribes... I got nuked by my 'allies', the CA, which gave no public apology or reprimandations, there are other situations as well.

Most of it involved invading nations while I was acting as peacekeeping force, thus, they have been a longtime annoyance, but the nuke just sent it over the edge.

Other reasons would be invading my allies.

Addiional info on KT:

Though at the time listed as a member of CA, I was apealing to the GASN to get involved, but then decided not to wait and act unilaterally. It was afterwards that a CA sponsored invasion was brought in.

As for how weapons got into Khornate in the first place, I shall neither confirm nor deny allegations that I am, or have been supplying the cultist forces with weapons.

I'm mostly now rebuilding the defense forces so that they may take back the soveriegnty of their land. I'll worry about their internal affairs later.