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Well, I've been playing with this idea for awhile now, and I am prepared to announce it: If others are willing to play along with me, I'm going to open up a Counter-Insurgency/Insurgency RP, as the title obviously states.

I have a Middle-eastern nation puppet floating around somewhere with a population of about a billion or so that will serve as the territory the "good guys" invade and occupy, following a terrorist attack on one or more of the "good guy's" home land, which kills thousands. The terrorist cell is linked with the afore mentioned nation, so we all invade them to exact our revenge and expel them from the nation. The Allied Nations do this with deft ease, pretty much destroying the nations 60's Era-military within a few days.

How ever, after that is when the trouble begins. As responsible nations, the Allies Mission is to establish a stable, liberal democracy for the nations new Government, but their up against huge odds. Over 80% of the population supported the old Government, and want to slaughter us, the infidels.

Pretty soon the country becomes an insurgency-infested meat grinder that makes place like Chechnya, Iraq and Vietnam look like paradise. I'm talking hundreds of allied troops dying a day. The Allies must, how ever, stick it out for as long as possible to make sure the new government is stabilized before they them selves can leave.

The insurgency, played by me, will use a variety of sneaky tactics, much like the GLA from Command & Conquer Generals. This includes the use of chemical, and biological weapons in some instances. How ever, as responsible nations, the Allies cannot resort to such things, and are limited to more conventional destructive weapons, like FAE's and MOABs.

So, yeah, who's interested?

I would like to join.

I'm interested, but is this a character RP or a war RP?

I would be interested in joining. My own counter-insurgency RP (Fourth Chimurenga, in my sig) has pretty much faded away, and I'd like to try my hand in COIN operations once more.

I'd like to join. I wouldn't be a major military player on the part of the Allies - sort of like the British now. I'd set up an easily-secured infrastructure and try to be pinpoint accurate with things. So don't expect me to be the sort of "crush everything" participant, but I'd really like to get involved in a way like I just mentioned.

And FYI: You should add some sort of plentiful resource waiting to be exploited to the fray.

I'd be interested.

I would like to join.

Aren't you in, like, 72892029221 wars already?

I'm interested, but is this a character RP or a war RP?

Dunno, but it will probably be a little of both, as it would be interesting to see the war through your normal, everyday soldiers POV.

I would be interested in joining. My own counter-insurgency RP (Fourth Chimurenga, in my sig) has pretty much faded away, and I'd like to try my hand in COIN operations once more.

Kewl. Welcome aboard.

I'd like to join. I wouldn't be a major military player on the part of the Allies - sort of like the British now. I'd set up an easily-secured infrastructure and try to be pinpoint accurate with things. So don't expect me to be the sort of "crush everything" participant, but I'd really like to get involved in a way like I just mentioned.

And FYI: You should add some sort of plentiful resource waiting to be exploited to the fray.

Alright, welcome.

I'd be interested.

k.

Will there be a map?

Will there be a map?

Of course.

Good. Very good.

Just an idea, it's sort of... I don't know, it feels cliche: But maybe you could make the country an island? Have lots of marshland on one side of it? Add a big river network. There'd be lots of chances for Vietnam-style warfare, but still an Iraq feel to it in the urban zones.

Sounds like fun, tho my nation is currently redoing its military, i can spare some SF and airborne units.

Good. Very good.

Just an idea, it's sort of... I don't know, it feels cliche: But maybe you could make the country an island? Have lots of marshland on one side of it? Add a big river network. There'd be lots of chances for Vietnam-style warfare, but still an Iraq feel to it in the urban zones.

Well, the nation we'll be fighting in will be like a mini-Africa, with vast deserts to the North, while the south has lush jungles and rivers.

Well, the nation we'll be fighting in will be like a mini-Africa, with vast deserts to the North, while the south has lush jungles and rivers.

Will it be like, industrialized somewhat with a few airports/airstrips around - or like RL Africa with close to no infrastructure?

Will it be like, industrialized somewhat with a few airports/airstrips around - or like RL Africa with close to no infrastructure?

Well, the cities will be by and large industrialized, with airports and all that good stuff.

That's good. I like taking strategic airports.

I hope there's an aspect in this of nations buying/selling/trading strategic control points. That's something i've been looking for.

I'd be interested.

That's good. I like taking strategic airports.

I hope there's an aspect in this of nations buying/selling/trading strategic control points. That's something i've been looking for.

Yeah, sure.

ill join.

But...answer my question.

I <3 counter-insurgency stuff. I'm in, however probably a more limited role since I have some time constraints.

But...answer my question.

im in 1 war right now. I puled out of TWSP to attack Galmiria with more force.

Meh...okay.

Oh yeah, I'm in, if I didn't say that already...

When does this start?

Soon.

I'd like to join.

I'd join under the name of 'Nihon', rather Pyschotika.

Yes, Japo-based...

Anyways, since I'm pretty large...you guys can limit how many troops I send in. Unless you want me to be the head of the Coalition, thus haveing like 600,000 troops or so...

And I'm farily well experienced at wars...I can provide references if you want >>.

Kilani can provide anywhere from a few thousand troops to a few hundred thousand, depending on how many we're actually going to need...

Ill join, but my nation will not care if the terrorists are killed, they would just use the attack as an excuse to seize more land and resources.

Since we're talking about size, I can send however many troops are necessary for the initial invasion by the coalition.

A few divisions for me... Probably no more than 200,000 at first.

at least 1 airborne division, 1 SF unit (company size at least) and mayve some mechanized infantry aswell.

Ill join, but my nation will not care if the terrorists are killed, they would just use the attack as an excuse to seize more land and resources.

I would think you would work with the insurgents, instead of the occupation...

OOC: Not the Allied attack, the Terrorists attack!

OOC: Not the Allied attack, the Terrorists attack!

Oh. Okay, then.

Expect a decent sized expeditionary force.... here's a likely OrBat.

Rodenkan Expeditionary Force (REF)

3rd Armored Cavalry Division
-17th (Light) Royal Dragoons Regiment
-79th (Light) Royal Dragoons Regiment
-3rd (Heavy) Curiassers Regiment
--12th (Mechanised) Artillery Brigade
--99th (Motorised Reconnaissance) Light Infantry Brigade

112th Light Infantry Division
-3rd Waldjäger Regiment
-14th Gebreigsjäger Regiment
-21st Rifle Regiment
--19th (Mechanised) Artillery Brigade
--8th Pioneers Brigade (Engineers)

88th Infantry Division
-19th (Motorised) Regiment of Foot
-15th (Motorised) Regiment of Foot
-22nd (Motorised) Regiment of Foot
--65th (Mechanised) Artillery Brigade
--357th Pioneers Brigade (Engineers)

Unattached Units
-5th (Motorised Reconnaissance) Light Infantry Brigade

Air Support

8th Air Wing
-77th Air Transport Luftgeschwader
-78th Air Transport Luftgeschwader
-12th Fighter/Bomber Luftgeschwader
-39th Fighter/Bomber Luftgeschwader
-4th Air Attack Luftgeschwader
-6th Air Attack Luftgeschwader

Total Personnel (Combat):38,782

Total Personnel:110,000

Total Aircraft (Fixed Wing):216 (F-22, Airbus A400M)

Total Aircraft (Rotary Wing:512(CH-53 Sea Stalion, Eurocopter Tiger, UH-60 Blackhawk)

Total Aircraft:612

I have a question.

If every nation wants to deploy 200,000 troops to this nation - just how big does said nation have to be?

Seriously. We're operating under the principal that all these nations involved will be pretty friendly to each other. Wouldn't they be willing to form a coalition that would keep each of them from having to deploy an army to the region?

Well, then make it multi-teamed.

IE - Iran and Syria invades Iraq to try to force out Coalition Forces and seize portions of Iraq for them selves.

Translation -

We have the Insurgency, those who fund it *probably 1 nation behind the funding*, we have someone RP the Local Residents who want a new Government and oppose an insurgency, and we have a Coalition and maybe 1 power to sort of watch.

And it should be limited based on nation population.

IE - 2004 Nations could use up to 500,000 , 2005 Nations could use up to 250,000 , and anything younger would use 150 - perhaps 85,000.

Look at the troop roster for the Coalition in Iraq. It isn't magnificent, about 450,000 US Troops, 80,000 British Troops, etc etc.

And it shouldn't be a rape and pillage for land. Fuck that, people need to sort of get real. We all RP on a Modern level, and no way are there Imperial Nations who attack to gain land. They could probably attack to set up a puppet nation, but even Modern Nationalists and Fascists and Socialists and so on and so forth do not think it would make sense to forge an Empire. The Soviet Union wasn't even one nation, it Soviet translates into 'Board' or basically 'Congress' if you think about it's meaning. The Soviet Union is headed by one elected by this board, or that's the simple jist of it. And each nation is required or expected to submit a certain amount of troops to the Soviet Army.

Basically, it is an alliance with-in the Warsaw Pact. Sort of a 'Articles of Confederation' sort of dealy, just the Federal Government is basically the State.

So, it should be set sort of like this -

Insurgency - Repel these Imperialist Infidels.

Insurgency Host/Support Nation - Fund Insurgency, because they are fighting my enemy/nemesis.

Coalition - Invade, occupy, set up new friendly Government, bring Freedom.

Pro-tagonistic Group - Invade, aid Insurgency and/or kill it, repel Coalition, install puppet Government.

And so on if you want to have other types of groups.

I hope that is simplified enough, don't really know if I should say any thing else then.

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I support what you said completely. Especially the troop proportions based on nation age. I still think it should be a bit smaller, but I was never planning on having over 50,000 combat troops in the first place.

ya if we were a coalition, we would combine our forces.

I have a question.

If every nation wants to deploy 200,000 troops to this nation - just how big does said nation have to be?

Seriously. We're operating under the principal that all these nations involved will be pretty friendly to each other. Wouldn't they be willing to form a coalition that would keep each of them from having to deploy an army to the region?

uh, I said the nation we'll be invading will have a population of over one billion. Also, unless anyone objects, my nation was going to lead the coalition and have the largest troop count, clocking out at around 750,000 personnel total.

Well, then make it multi-teamed.

IE - Iran and Syria invades Iraq to try to force out Coalition Forces and seize portions of Iraq for them selves.

Translation -

We have the Insurgency, those who fund it *probably 1 nation behind the funding*, we have someone RP the Local Residents who want a new Government and oppose an insurgency, and we have a Coalition and maybe 1 power to sort of watch.

And it should be limited based on nation population.

IE - 2004 Nations could use up to 500,000 , 2005 Nations could use up to 250,000 , and anything younger would use 150 - perhaps 85,000.

Look at the troop roster for the Coalition in Iraq. It isn't magnificent, about 450,000 US Troops, 80,000 British Troops, etc etc.

And it shouldn't be a rape and pillage for land. Fuck that, people need to sort of get real. We all RP on a Modern level, and no way are there Imperial Nations who attack to gain land. They could probably attack to set up a puppet nation, but even Modern Nationalists and Fascists and Socialists and so on and so forth do not think it would make sense to forge an Empire. The Soviet Union wasn't even one nation, it Soviet translates into 'Board' or basically 'Congress' if you think about it's meaning. The Soviet Union is headed by one elected by this board, or that's the simple jist of it. And each nation is required or expected to submit a certain amount of troops to the Soviet Army.

Basically, it is an alliance with-in the Warsaw Pact. Sort of a 'Articles of Confederation' sort of dealy, just the Federal Government is basically the State.

So, it should be set sort of like this -

Insurgency - Repel these Imperialist Infidels.

Insurgency Host/Support Nation - Fund Insurgency, because they are fighting my enemy/nemesis.

Coalition - Invade, occupy, set up new friendly Government, bring Freedom.

Pro-tagonistic Group - Invade, aid Insurgency and/or kill it, repel Coalition, install puppet Government.

And so on if you want to have other types of groups.

I hope that is simplified enough, don't really know if I should say any thing else then.

Why does Psychotika think he's running the show?

I'm...not?

What deters you from knowing the difference between making some suggestions and being a thread nazi?

Sorry you apparently think that was my motive...

uh, I said the nation we'll be invading will have a population of over one billion. Also, unless anyone objects, my nation was going to lead the coalition and have the largest troop count, clocking out at around 750,000 personnel total.

I guess it works.

I'm...not?

What deters you from knowing the difference between making some suggestions and being a thread nazi?

Sorry you apparently think that was my motive...

Oh... nevermind.

Sorry, that post just sounded kinda... imperative.

Oh... nevermind.

Sorry, that post just sounded kinda... imperative.

>> It's cool

I'm...meh?

Well, I only plan on having about 40,000 combat personnel in the country, plus or minus a few hundred.

>> It's cool

I'm...meh?

...you're meh?

meh...

I plan on, due to just my size, about 100,000 men. 35,000 in the hot zone, 65,000 to occupy the more 'lax' zone. But all 100,000 to be used in the invasion. Numbers will decrease to 70,000 later in occupation.

I intend to send the 10th Army (aka, Blackflag Army), with Kern Legion XII for logistical support. Combat personnel will be 100,000, total personnel will number 500,000. (I'll scale that down if I must... but it's not like I have any wars going on or anything...)

I also intend to send several F-22 and Apache squadrons for air support.

Just for the record, I'll be letting everyone else fight it out on the streets while ATDF forces based in highly armored and defended bases launch pinpoint attacks from helicopters. Because of this I may have only 30,000 combat forces. I haven't decided on naval or air force units yet. I don't know what all I'll be able to HIT with my naval forces, it just depends on how big the nation is and where the cities are.

I'll send 70-100,000 combat troops. Probably some armored and mechanized troops backed up by light infantry and marines.

I think I may trim my numbers down some, but I dunno how many yet.