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I have a pretty good Idea for a Roleplay. It would start in 1941, when Germany Invades Russia. Two peoples would be the main Commanders, IE Hitler and Stalin and would lead the war. What would make this RP differnt is the realisim. We would use real numbers from the war. When you RP, it would be a long and good post. For Example you cannot say I'm going to attack Moscow with 12,000 Panzer tanks. No. It would be like I'm moving the 13th Panzer divison, the 6th Army and the 12th Air Corps. This is their battle plan and you break it down to division level. This would require work, but overall would be much more fun. If you do not want to go into the effort of controlling the massive amounts of troops in such detail, then you could assign other people to control different parts of your Army and Air Force.

Players:
Soviet Union:
1. TPF (Overall Commander.)
2. WanderJar
3. Chellis
3. No Taxes
4.
5.
6.
(More can be added if needed)
Nazi Germany:
1. Atopiana
2. Osteia
3. Mandolrians
4. Galmria
5.
6.
(More can be added if needed)

Forces:

This looks cool,

So each player would command a specific unit in each nations military, like panzers? infantry? airforce..?

I may play on the German side...

This looks cool,

So each player would command a specific unit in each nations military, like panzers? infantry? airforce..?

I may play on the German side...

Yes. The overall commander would assign you to be commander of the 12th Army, and you would assign commanders under you to handle Corps.

Yes. The overall commander would assign you to be commander of the 12th Army, and you would assign commanders under you to handle Corps.


Sweet im in,

As far as history goes...do we have to play it out the way it went?

British Commonwealth! W00T!

The British in Russia?

The British in Russia?

Yes. :p


Nope. I thought this was a world wide RP. Nevermind then...

I'm going with Russia. I'll have to think about what unit though.

Yes. :p


Nope. I thought this was a world wide RP. Nevermind then...

I'm going with Russia. I'll have to think about what unit though.

No, You do not need to follow history.

No, You do not need to follow history.


Oh , sorry..my bad...

Im going to look into a specific unit i would like to command in the area, it has to be from the 12th army....

Oh , sorry..my bad...

Im going to look into a specific unit i would like to command in the area, it has to be from the 12th army....

Doesnt have to be from the twelvth.

Urm, it's not exactly a contest, is it?

"I order 5th Panzer into the attack!"
"5th Panzer (consisting of 2 Pz IV-J, 1 Pz V and 1 Pz VI, 20 men and a dog, with 2 shells and no petrol) are surrounded by 12th Guards Armoured, 9th Rifle Regiment, 156th Shock Regiment, and 10th Rifle Regiment."
"I ... er... die?"
"Yes. Russia wins."

Repeat, with lots of localised victories for the Germans...

I mean, sure, if you don't mind heroic last stands and turning Berlin into a total bloodbath, be the Germans. But otherwise, be Russia. :p

Speaking of which, I'd like to be the ten-strong Waffen-SS Britisches Freikorps (part of the HQ Cpy of 11th SS Volunteer Panzergrenadier Division Nordland from March 22nd, 1945).

:)

I want the SS-Panzer-Division Totenkopf :)

I will take Germany.

Bah, everyone's being the Germans!

OK, I'll be the POA (Russian Liberation Army) instead then.

Despite the name, they saw action against the Germans, liberating Prague (or was it Budapest) before the Russians.

cool

Nothing like being the underdog - no matter who wins, the POA are screwed. :p

I would be interested in playing this, as russia. I do think Germany has a good chance though; remember, in 1941, russia really wasn't that powerful. It took them great sacrafices to quickly build up a strong army, and germany was at a large advantage in 1941, decimating large parts of the russian army.

I'll do some research, and get back to you on specifics.

Ok, a little information on the 3rd SS-Panzer-Division Totenkopf,

Totenkopf was formed from concentration camp guards and men from the SS-Heimwehr Danzig. The division was commanded by men of the SS Verfügungstruppe (SS-VT) who had seen action in Poland during the early years of the war.

The division was commanded by SS-Obergruppenführer Theodor Eicke who was a very able and cunning commander.

At this time im un able to find exact numbers of Artillary, tanks, infantry and officers....

Does anyone have any sources?

Yeees, but this RP is set in 1945. :p Not 1941.

So it's Russia v Germany, Germany on 1x10/\1,000,000,000 against.

I will be the Russians and more specifically the 1st Mechanized Corps, stationed near Leningrad and commanded by General-Major Mikhail Lvovitch Tchernyavsky.

Awesome, i can't wait :)

Ok, i took a look into the numbers included in both German and Russian divisions...

German divisions ranged from 14,000 to 16,000 men, while the Soviet divisions had 8,000 men or less....

The enemy had considerable dominance in artillery and manpower, and also prevailed in tanks, aircraft, and artillery of new types. In several ways German troops prevailed five times in manpower, almost three times in tanks, and more than three times in artillery looking at the information before me...

The enemy had considerable dominance in artillery and manpower, and also prevailed in tanks, aircraft, and artillery of new types. In several ways German troops prevailed five times in manpower, almost three times in tanks, and more than three times in artillery looking at the information before me...
My info says that the Germans had a two to one advantage in manpower but that the Soviets had 3 times as many tanks, at the beginning of the war.

By the enemy, i ment mine..the Russians :)

This is somthing we are just going to have to work out between us, i am pretty sure my division numbers are correct through.

This is somthing we are just going to have to work out between us, i am pretty sure my division numbers are correct through.
Yeah, Soviet divisions and overall manpower were smaller, yet initially they had a lot more tanks.

Yeah, Soviet divisions and overall manpower were smaller, yet initially they had a lot more tanks.

Ok, i'll take your word for it...

I can't find exact numbers of armor, i do know that German forces faced alot of Random Russian tank movement often...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barbarossa Scroll down and you will find two charts showing the numbers of men and equipment for both sides in June 1941.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Barbarossa Scroll down and you will find two charts showing the numbers of men and equipment for both sides in June 1941.

Ohhhh...

We have only to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down
— Adolf Hitler

Actually, since you don't have to follow history, the Germans have a very good chance of winning.

I have a book with a handy table of troop strengths so I'll get that up either later tonight or late afternoon tommrow.

Sounds great....can't wait..

"Strength lies not in defense but in attack."
Adolf Hitler

Sounds great....can't wait..

"Strength lies not in defense but in attack."
Adolf Hitler

Stop quoting Hitler XD. Quote Zukhov or flippin' Guderian. Hitler didnt know crap about the Military.

Stop quoting Hitler XD. Quote Zukhov or flippin' Guderian. Hitler didnt know crap about the Military.

well....

In a way your right, but never the less...he was VERY smart and spoke extremly well.

A julius Caesar wanna be.. lol

well....

In a way your right, but never the less...he was VERY smart and spoke extremly well.

A julius Caesar wanna be.. lol

By the Way, I'll take overall command of the Soviets, as Marshal Zukhov

No plan of battle ever survives contact with the enemy.

Heinz Guderian -June 17th 1888-May 14th 1954-

:) Better?

I think im going to play as SS-Obergruppenführer Theodor Eicke, and as....commander of No. 3 Company of the SS 2nd Infantry Regiment, Fritz Knoechlein, SS Obersturmführer in Eicke's division...

No plan of battle ever survives contact with the enemy.

Heinz Guderian -June 17th 1888-May 14th 1954-

:) Better?

Ja

Guderian is more easy to respect than Hitler...alot easier infact.

Could I possibly play as the Germans? I also have some questions, what size exactly does each person command: divisions, armies, or army groups? Second, how will reinforcements work (i.e. do we have an equation for replacement or are we just going on the honor system?). Third, are we going to have to stick to the historical battle plans for operation Barbarossa, or can we try somethign new?

And If we are talking specific battles, I would like to try the Northern campaign (in the Laplands)

Could I possibly play as the Germans? I also have some questions, what size exactly does each person command: divisions, armies, or army groups? Second, how will reinforcements work (i.e. do we have an equation for replacement or are we just going on the honor system?). Third, are we going to have to stick to the historical battle plans for operation Barbarossa, or can we try somethign new?

And If we are talking specific battles, I would like to try the Northern campaign (in the Laplands)

For sizes you can't have less than a Division, and probaly not less than a Corps, unless it a division sized battle. I would perfer Army+. Reinforcements would work on the honor system. No, aside from the starting armies, you can do whatever you want!

Actually, since you don't have to follow history, the Germans have a very good chance of winning.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

No. :p

The Germans are outnumbered, outgunned, underequipped, understrength, have no air support, and lack fuel, reliable ammunition, proper food, good equipment, etc etc.

The Russians are the opposite.

Seriously, this RP will be about how many heroic last stands the Germans can have and how long they can make the war drag on, not a German victory...!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

No. :p

The Germans are outnumbered, outgunned, underequipped, understrength, have no air support, and lack fuel, reliable ammunition, proper food, good equipment, etc etc.

The Russians are the opposite.

Seriously, this RP will be about how many heroic last stands the Germans can have and how long they can make the war drag on, not a German victory...!

Uh, no, not even close. That was from 1943 and onward.... 1941 and 42 were alot different. Did you know the russians lost half their Army and two thirds of their tanks in the first five days?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

No. :p

The Germans are outnumbered, outgunned, underequipped, understrength, have no air support, and lack fuel, reliable ammunition, proper food, good equipment, etc etc.

The Russians are the opposite.

Seriously, this RP will be about how many heroic last stands the Germans can have and how long they can make the war drag on, not a German victory...!

Not if we correct where Hitler went wrong.....

ill take Germany!!!!

ill take Germany!!!!

From what Iv'e seen you do not have the roleplaying skill, no offense. Fell free to change my mind however.

Uh, no, not even close. That was from 1943 and onward.... 1941 and 42 were alot different. Did you know the russians lost half their Army and two thirds of their tanks in the first five days?

Uh, yes, but did you not say that this RP starts in 1945? Or have I misread something... :confused:

EDIT: AHA!

I see that I did, in fact, misread. 1941 ain't 1945, I retract my bibblings. :p

I would like to be the POA still, though.

From what Iv'e seen you do not have the roleplaying skill, no offense. Fell free to change my mind however.
alright, I admit it. Those posts in Galmiria sucked. But it was 11:30pm!!!!

alright, I admit it. Those posts in Galmiria sucked. But it was 11:30pm!!!!

Okay, I'll give you another chance.

O wow. I would like to join as Russia but I'm not sure if I have enough skills. I don't care. You can decide. This is your thread anyways.:)

Uh, yes, but did you not say that this RP starts in 1945? Or have I misread something... :confused:

EDIT: AHA!

I see that I did, in fact, misread. 1941 ain't 1945, I retract my bibblings. :p

I would like to be the POA still, though.

That's okay lol. Anyway, The Germans still could of held in Russia in 1944 if it wasn't for Hitler's mistakes.

Okay, I'll give you another chance.

YES! Thank you so much. I'll make good posts in this thread!!

O wow. I would like to join as Russia but I'm not sure if I have enough skills. I don't care. You can decide. This is your thread anyways.:)

I'lll be happy to give you a chance.

True, Hitler fucked up.....

Now we right his wrongs, i got the 3Rd SS Panzer Division! Totenkopf :)

Yessssssss

True, Hitler fucked up.....

Now we right his wrongs, i got the 3Rd SS Panzer Division! Totenkopf :)

Yessssssss

Like I said, Try to be at least Corps or Army Level, only going down to Division if needed.

Oh, ok..

Army level!? Hm, the POA isn't really an army...

I'll be Von Paulus and take 6th Army then. :D

You mean like .....Army Group North?

Commanded by Wilhelm Ritter von Leeb?

[[/B]FORCES AT START OF OP[/B]
Russia: Germans:
186 divisons 153 Divisions
3,000,000 men 3,767,000 men
19,800 artillery 7,200 artillery
11,000 tanks 4,000 tanks
9,100 aircraft 4,400 aircraft

Totenkopf saw action in Lithuania, Latvia, through the Stalin Line..Demyansk, and Leningrad...

Then after Russia they were transfered to Army group south..

So...im not sure of who's command they are under....

For sizes you can't have less than a Division, and probaly not less than a Corps, unless it a division sized battle. I would perfer Army+. Reinforcements would work on the honor system. No, aside from the starting armies, you can do whatever you want!

Does that mean I'm in?

If so can I take the units fighting in Finnland-Karelia? That's the German 36th corp and the Finnish 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 6th and 7th Corps. In total that's 23 divisions or about 300,000 infantry with supporting tanks, artillery, and aircraft all orginized under the armies of Karelia (16 divisions) and The Laplands (7 divisions) orginized (my own personal attachment) into Army group Finnland

What army was the 3rd SS in?

When you RP, it would be a long and good post. For Example you cannot say I'm going to attack Moscow with 12,000 Panzer tanks. No. It would be like I'm moving the 13th Panzer divison, the 6th Army and the 12th Air Corps. This is their battle plan and you break it down to division level. This would require work, but overall would be much more fun.

Sorry, but this detail bit just sounds like the way I post anyway.

I just don't think people should consider detail extraordinary... I don't like reading posts that just say "I send 12,000 tanks" anywhere! It's your country, it's not like you don't know enough about the stuff you're using!

*grumbles further*

Sorry, but this detail bit just sounds like the way I post anyway.

I just don't think people should consider detail extraordinary... I don't like reading posts that just say "I send 12,000 tanks" anywhere! It's your country, it's not like you don't know enough about the stuff you're using!

*grumbles further*

OCC: Please don't just come in and shoot down my thread, you are a better rper than most.

OCC: Please don't just come in and shoot down my thread, you are a better rper than most.
I don't consider myself very good at all...

*going away*

I don't consider myself very good at all...

*going away*

OCC: I'm not sure who's much better than you...

I still need to know which army the 3rd SS panzer division was in....

OCC: I'm not sure who's much better than you...
Howabout 'im? (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11617745&postcount=1)

If it is alright, I will be Ivan Koniev, in charge of the 19th soviet army...

Cool ^^^

This should be fun..

may i join as the NKVD counter-intelligence troops for the soviets?
(led by Vasily Kralovek)

I will take Germany.

can I have Germany instead?

Wow, this sounds good. What spots are open in the Soviet Union? Will the RP progress past 1941? Will we get to the '50s?