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Chellis feels its need to make its position quite clear, for the world to know. We are calling out the Blackhelm Confederacy. We have watched over your nation for some time now, and are absolutely repulsed by it. You and your ilk have embroiled the world in warfare. You sicken us.

You want a fight? Take on Chellis. If you really want to show you are the big cat on the block, start a real fight. Send your fleets, your soldiers, your aircraft at us. You haven't had any problems with wanting to invade others. So invade us, if you dare.

Otherwise, stand down. Chellis wants your ships back in their ports, your soldiers in their home bases. We will not see Blackhelm run around the world, starting wars. You have three options here, whether you like them or not.

Invade us

Get invaded

or stand down.

There will be no negotiating, no diplomacy here. We will bring the full force of the chellian armed forces upon your country, and your country alone, if you continue your ways. We will not play nice. We assume you've heard of Automagfreek? A long time ally of ours, and one we have learned a great deal from. We've always shared the idea that a nation who has its cities burned to the ground, its people slaughtered, and its grounds salted, is a nation who will never bother us again.

You have fourty eight hours.

OOC: Bump

OOC: I assume those are IC hours?

OOC: I assume those are IC hours?

OOC: No, real hours. I'll give him a realistic time period. Thats all, though.

OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT COMMUNIQUE
TO: Leadership of the Glorious Nation of Chellis
CC: The International Community
FROM: George A. Loak, Supreme Emepror of the Dark Empire of Shazbotdom

After reading the proclimation by the Glorious Leader of the Nation of Chellis, the people of the Dark Empire of Shazbotdom applaud Chellis. It is about time someoen stood up to the tyranical regeme that is in charge of the Blackhelm Confederacy and the Evil Corporation that lies within it's boarders, Griffencrest. If it is needed, we will donate money and supplies to the Nation of Chellis to help the civlians while their nations Military goes off to war. We will check our funds and get back with an actual monitary number when we get a chance.

OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT COMMUNIQUE
TO: Leadership of the Glorious Nation of Chellis
CC: The International Community
FROM: George A. Loak, Supreme Emepror of the Dark Empire of Shazbotdom

After reading the proclimation by the Glorious Leader of the Nation of Chellis, the people of the Dark Empire of Shazbotdom applaud Chellis. It is about time someoen stood up to the tyranical regeme that is in charge of the Blackhelm Confederacy and the Evil Corporation that lies within it's boarders, Griffencrest. If it is needed, we will donate money and supplies to the Nation of Chellis to help the civlians while their nations Military goes off to war. We will check our funds and get back with an actual monitary number when we get a chance.

We thank Shazbotdom for its offer. We do not expect such aid to be nessecary, although we will inquire about it if and when the time comes. We do not ask for aid from anyone, not that we are against it, but we are showing that we are going to stop Blackhelm, without conditions.

It is now Fourty six and a half hours.

The Imperial Federation of Icovir applaudes Chellis for it's courage, and wants to let Chellis know that she stands by Chellis 100%.

You may not need help now, but if you do, Icovir is willing to help.

Official Corporation Communication:



Official Letter of Declartion in Response to the time line given to BlackHelm and the Corporation known as Griffincrest.

TO: Chellis
From: Raven Corp
Sub let From: Colderon Jason Zion

We have long wanted a reason to invade this pety nation. We needed a reason to attack without drawing to much attention to our selves. You have provided this chance to us. In the event of this event turning into something else we wish to offer ourselves to you.

We also have a request, that in the event that this invation happens we wish that you leave the Griffincrest assets to us. Thier added technology would be a great help to us in our endeavers. Also we ask that you leave any captured soldiers to use. We have a " special" use for them.

Now with That subject out of the way we can now begin to explain what we will be able to do for you depending on what you wish to do to them...

Total destruction:

We have a fleet of Arsenals ships that would be able to overwlem any any missile system and cuase destruction on a catyclismic scale. The Arsenal ships have a 1000 mile range and can be loaded with Biological and chemical agents for added effects that are sure to prolong the people blight.

Assets demolition:

We have Assets absorbation teams that can strip a nation of resources down to the point of desilation. We also have teams that can convert human resources into soldiers or loyal servents.

Prolonged Suffering of population:

Our Arsenal Ships have a special load of Biological agents that have lasting effects up to 100 years after the attack. Ranging from Sterilization of male population that "dievolution" of nation Population.

And

Complete nation abandonment:

The Raven Corporation has long been a producer of Genetic creatures for the use as weapons. These creatures are fast reproducers and can survive long amounts of sustained weapons fire and low to medium yeild airel weapons that feed on human flesh and can asexually reproduce, giving them an infinate supply of warriors in which to combat the natives of the nation.

We can do this with or Without your blessing.... We hope you accept this offer.

Raven corps
Colderon Jason Zion CEO- Raven corps

NBC weaponry will not be used on Blackhelm, not by chellis, and not if chellian soldiers are in Blackhelm. They are the weapons of cowards, and we will not use them in such a conflict, should it arise.

We don't care what happens to blackhelm. If they don't stand down, we will march in their cities, and obliterate all within our sight. Anyone who wants a piece of anything there can. Bring your soldiers, and take it before we are done, because we will leave nothing standing behind our wake. Blackhelm will never again be a problem to this planet, whether through choice or unobstructed destruction. The clock is ticking.

OOC: A few nations are currently blockading him. Perhaps we could RP Some friendly relations as (presumably) your fleet and our fleets meet up? The Fleet I have en-route isn't big.. a couple of hundred ships, with a dozen or so light carriers? Interested? Link. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=502416)

OOC: A few nations are currently blockading him. Perhaps we could RP Some friendly relations as (presumably) your fleet and our fleets meet up? The Fleet I have en-route isn't big.. a couple of hundred ships, with a dozen or so light carriers? Interested? Link. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=502416)

OOC: Chellis won't be showing any signs of half-heartedness in this. It is giving blackhelm two days to stand down, or a full invasion. In character. chellis believes a blockade, by us anyways, would make blackhelm think we are trying to use a small tool to disable him. Basically, we are giving him two days before we unleash the sledge hammer, and not going to pull any punches inbetween.

IC: Chellis had not heard any word out of blackhelm as of yet, and preperations were being made for invasion. All available information about the nation was being pulled up, and chellis was running simulations of invasions and strikes on the nation.

In addition to standing forces, 10 million chellian conscripts were put on notice for possible deployment. The conscripts were part of chellian national service, and were only to be deployed when the whole brunt of the chellian volunteer service, which numbered around 40 million, were to be deployed. The national service was made up of 160 million, and the 10 million chosen were heavily naval and airforce components, though some were land forces.

Chellis was increasing troop loadouts for such a conflict. Every squad would now carry an additional RPO-A, as well as explosives. Chellis was being truthful when it said nothing would stand in their wake, no matter how many cluster bombs, napalm strikes, and thermobaric launches it would take.

OOC: Chellis won't be showing any signs of half-heartedness in this. It is giving blackhelm two days to stand down, or a full invasion. In character. chellis believes a blockade, by us anyways, would make blackhelm think we are trying to use a small tool to disable him. Basically, we are giving him two days before we unleash the sledge hammer, and not going to pull any punches inbetween.

OOC: But they would still have to go past the blockading fleet, and might as well wave or whatever.

(OOC: GAH! I had a very long post written out when my computer crashed!)

If people occasionally minded their own damn business, there would be a hell of a lot less pointless bloodshed.

What do you seek to achieve? (OOC: If Blackhelm does not ignore you, which is what I would do in this circumstance, since he is involved in so many wars already) Your invasion of the Blackhelm Confederacy, should it get to that point, will solve nothing. Whether you are successful or not in your invasion of the largly innocent Confederacy, you will only be successful in killing millions of innocent people and weakening the position of the Griffincrest Corporation only slightly. Even if you were somehow able to track down and destroy all of the resources of Griffincrest across the globe, effectively "killing" them, you would have caused far more bloodshed than the activites of the Corporation ever could if you were to merely stay out of it. Far more likely than any decicive victory on your part, however, would be yet another nearly endless war, with endless invasions and conter-invasions in every corner of the earth, involving many nations that would otherwise have faced peace, and leading to the deaths of countless innocents and trillions of dollars of property damage. All for nothing.

If you had wished to attack Blackhelm for your own, private and selfish reasons, as is the right natural way of soveriegn nations, then I would merely advise you that the cost of such an endevor would be far more than any profit. However, as you seek a lessening of bloodshed and violence, even that which is not related to your nation and thus none of your business, and thus I now must inform you that this foolish course of action will, like what usually happens when a nation pokes its nose where it has no direct interests, will not only do no good, but will result in the opposite of what you plan.

Thus I, and indeed my whole nation, urge you to reconsider this plan. It will lead only to disaster.

Emperor Christian I, Soveriegn Leader of the Errikan Empire

OOC: Chellis won't be showing any signs of half-heartedness in this. It is giving blackhelm two days to stand down, or a full invasion. In character. chellis believes a blockade, by us anyways, would make blackhelm think we are trying to use a small tool to disable him. Basically, we are giving him two days before we unleash the sledge hammer, and not going to pull any punches inbetween.

IC: Chellis had not heard any word out of blackhelm as of yet, and preperations were being made for invasion. All available information about the nation was being pulled up, and chellis was running simulations of invasions and strikes on the nation.

In addition to standing forces, 10 million chellian conscripts were put on notice for possible deployment. The conscripts were part of chellian national service, and were only to be deployed when the whole brunt of the chellian volunteer service, which numbered around 40 million, were to be deployed. The national service was made up of 160 million, and the 10 million chosen were heavily naval and airforce components, though some were land forces.

Chellis was increasing troop loadouts for such a conflict. Every squad would now carry an additional RPO-A, as well as explosives. Chellis was being truthful when it said nothing would stand in their wake, no matter how many cluster bombs, napalm strikes, and thermobaric launches it would take.

From the Desk of the President

We thank the grand nation of Chellis for their support. At this time, The Peoples Freedom is currently enganged in a massive naval battle with Pudite, Zuku, and Blackhelm forces. We ask the Chellis fleet for help and also for help on a follow up invasion. Please help.

Signed,
Matt Booch

Raven corps will do as it sees fit agianst the BlackHelm forces. You think your wake is bad you haven't seen anything unitl you' ve seen the Raven corps SF march upon a city. Your Soldiers can be the spears head but we will be the jaged egdes that ripp the body and soul of the nation. Ripping its flesh into a pulp.

NBC weaponry will not be used on Blackhelm, not by chellis, and not if chellian soldiers are in Blackhelm. They are the weapons of cowards, and we will not use them in such a conflict, should it arise.

We don't care what happens to blackhelm. If they don't stand down, we will march in their cities, and obliterate all within our sight. Anyone who wants a piece of anything there can. Bring your soldiers, and take it before we are done, because we will leave nothing standing behind our wake. Blackhelm will never again be a problem to this planet, whether through choice or unobstructed destruction. The clock is ticking.

Unfortunatly for you and Blackhelm Honor means as much as a rock for a birthday gift. We attack in the fastest and most lethal of ways. NBCs are only the tip of what we do. Starvation, and mass thirst by means of what ever weapons are also used. If killing at maxium proficency is cowardly they we are indeed cowards

Raven corps will do as it sees fit agianst the BlackHelm forces. You think your wake is bad you haven't seen anything unitl you' ve seen the Raven corps SF march upon a city. Your Soldiers can be the spears head but we will be the jaged egdes that ripp the body and soul of the nation. Ripping its flesh into a pulp.


Secert IC:

THe nation of Zackaroth is wondering if Raven Corps has anything it can sell to help defend ZAckaroth incase of a CA attack. Zackaroth is willing to pay very well in money....or oil.

OOC: Since my computer crashed and it took me so long to post this, I figure I should quote it at the next page just so everyone gets it. Know that there is no OOC malice, despite critical IC language.

(OOC: GAH! I had a very long post written out when my computer crashed!)

If people occasionally minded their own damn business, there would be a hell of a lot less pointless bloodshed.

What do you seek to achieve? (OOC: If Blackhelm does not ignore you, which is what I would do in this circumstance, since he is involved in so many wars already) Your invasion of the Blackhelm Confederacy, should it get to that point, will solve nothing. Whether you are successful or not in your invasion of the largly innocent Confederacy, you will only be successful in killing millions of innocent people and weakening the position of the Griffincrest Corporation only slightly. Even if you were somehow able to track down and destroy all of the resources of Griffincrest across the globe, effectively "killing" them, you would have caused far more bloodshed than the activites of the Corporation ever could if you were to merely stay out of it. Far more likely than any decicive victory on your part, however, would be yet another nearly endless war, with endless invasions and conter-invasions in every corner of the earth, involving many nations that would otherwise have faced peace, and leading to the deaths of countless innocents and trillions of dollars of property damage. All for nothing.

If you had wished to attack Blackhelm for your own, private and selfish reasons, as is the right natural way of soveriegn nations, then I would merely advise you that the cost of such an endevor would be far more than any profit. However, as you seek a lessening of bloodshed and violence, even that which is not related to your nation and thus none of your business, and thus I now must inform you that this foolish course of action will, like what usually happens when a nation pokes its nose where it has no direct interests, will not only do no good, but will result in the opposite of what you plan.

Thus I, and indeed my whole nation, urge you to reconsider this plan. It will lead only to disaster.

Emperor Christian I, Soveriegn Leader of the Errikan Empire

Unfortunatly for you and Blackhelm Honor means as much as a rock for a birthday gift. We attack in the fastest and most lethal of ways. NBCs are only the tip of what we do. Starvation, and mass thirst by means of what ever weapons are also used. If killing at maxium proficency is cowardly they we are indeed cowards

-Chellian Foreign Ministry-

"Basically, dont get any on us, or there will be problems. Don't get in our way."

(OOC: GAH! I had a very long post written out when my computer crashed!)

If people occasionally minded their own damn business, there would be a hell of a lot less pointless bloodshed.

What do you seek to achieve? (OOC: If Blackhelm does not ignore you, which is what I would do in this circumstance, since he is involved in so many wars already) Your invasion of the Blackhelm Confederacy, should it get to that point, will solve nothing. Whether you are successful or not in your invasion of the largly innocent Confederacy, you will only be successful in killing millions of innocent people and weakening the position of the Griffincrest Corporation only slightly. Even if you were somehow able to track down and destroy all of the resources of Griffincrest across the globe, effectively "killing" them, you would have caused far more bloodshed than the activites of the Corporation ever could if you were to merely stay out of it. Far more likely than any decicive victory on your part, however, would be yet another nearly endless war, with endless invasions and conter-invasions in every corner of the earth, involving many nations that would otherwise have faced peace, and leading to the deaths of countless innocents and trillions of dollars of property damage. All for nothing.

If you had wished to attack Blackhelm for your own, private and selfish reasons, as is the right natural way of soveriegn nations, then I would merely advise you that the cost of such an endevor would be far more than any profit. However, as you seek a lessening of bloodshed and violence, even that which is not related to your nation and thus none of your business, and thus I now must inform you that this foolish course of action will, like what usually happens when a nation pokes its nose where it has no direct interests, will not only do no good, but will result in the opposite of what you plan.

Thus I, and indeed my whole nation, urge you to reconsider this plan. It will lead only to disaster.

Emperor Christian I, Soveriegn Leader of the Errikan Empire


We will not be responsible for any bloodshed. It is up to Blackhelm Confederacy whether or not it wishes to end the fighting. We have no wish for this little nation. Blackhelm can choose to end the bloodshed and fighting, which would lead to chellis not having any contact with blackhelm for as long as this remained true. Otherwise, Blackhelm is choosing the massive slaughter of his people and razing of his lands.

43 hours left.

We will not be responsible for any bloodshed. It is up to Blackhelm Confederacy whether or not it wishes to end the fighting. We have no wish for this little nation. Blackhelm can choose to end the bloodshed and fighting, which would lead to chellis not having any contact with blackhelm for as long as this remained true. Otherwise, Blackhelm is choosing the massive slaughter of his people and razing of his lands.

43 hours left.

As I have pointed out to many people repeatedly, the Blackhelm Confederacy is largely innocent. It is the Griffincrest Corporation, who are not directly affiliated with the Confederacy other than the fact that their leaders happen to live in the nation, who is doing all that you are so disgusted by.

Secert IC:

THe nation of Zackaroth is wondering if Raven Corps has anything it can sell to help defend ZAckaroth incase of a CA attack. Zackaroth is willing to pay very well in money....or oil.



Secret message :

Of course.... Raven corps has a large arsenal of anti-weapons. Including the famed Dome projected H.A.E.S.B.*. We also have a custom production systems, where we can build you a weapons or defence systems for you depending on your needs.

Secert IC:
Zarckaroth would like to learn more about this H.A.E.S.B.and also more about to custom production systems.

Secert IC:
Zarckaroth would like to learn more about this H.A.E.S.B.and also more about to custom production systems.

OOC: Take it to another thread guys, or TGs

OOC: Take it to another thread guys, or TGs

OOc; I know. I've been looking For Raven Corps military thread or something. I know I saw he had something like that up.

As I have pointed out to many people repeatedly, the Blackhelm Confederacy is largely innocent. It is the Griffincrest Corporation, who are not directly affiliated with the Confederacy other than the fact that their leaders happen to live in the nation, who is doing all that you are so disgusted by.

This is not accurate. Blackhelm confederacy is a member of the Corporate Alliance. BC has forces fighting alongside Griffincrest Corporation on various fronts. BC gives free reign to GC, and sells it weapons. And, quite likely, most of GC soldiers come from BC.

This is not accurate. Blackhelm confederacy is a member of the Corporate Alliance. BC has forces fighting alongside Griffincrest Corporation on various fronts. BC gives free reign to GC, and sells it weapons. And, quite likely, most of GC soldiers come from BC.

The Blackhelm Confederacy has only given direct support to Griffincrest since it has found itself persecuted by those confusing it with Griffincrest. It needed the support of the stronger power. If the confusion were to end, so would Blackhelm's support of Griffincrest.

As for the free reign, that is merely not oppressing its citizens. We would do the same every day of the week.

As for the soldiers, I know that to be false. Griffincrest Mercs, like Weapson Mercs, come from all across the globe. Increasing numbers are being drawn from Arterus and Mucro, neither of which contain the Blackhelm Confederacy.

The Blackhelm Confederacy has only given direct support to Griffincrest since it has found itself persecuted by those confusing it with Griffincrest. It needed the support of the stronger power. If the confusion were to end, so would Blackhelm's support of Griffincrest.

As for the free reign, that is merely not oppressing its citizens. We would do the same every day of the week.

As for the soldiers, I know that to be false. Griffincrest Mercs, like Weapson Mercs, come from all across the globe. Increasing numbers are being drawn from Arterus and Mucro, neither of which contain the Blackhelm Confederacy.

Not going to go into the other parts, but the second part, allowing corporations sell nuclear weapons to any nation is not simply not oppressing them.

Not going to go into the other parts, but the second part, allowing corporations sell nuclear weapons to any nation is not simply not oppressing them.

By the time they were strong enough to sell nukes to other nations, there was no way that the government was strong enough to reign them in.

Not all Corporations are evil... just the strong ones..

OOC: A few nations are currently blockading him. Perhaps we could RP Some friendly relations as (presumably) your fleet and our fleets meet up? The Fleet I have en-route isn't big.. a couple of hundred ships, with a dozen or so light carriers? Interested? Link. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=502416)

Secret IC:

Start encryption

From: Lt. Major Olga Skivinski
To: Chellis

As one of the main proponents of the blockade of Griffencrest products, I see no problem with you invading Blackhelm Confederacy in order to further unseat the Griffencrest Corporate headquarters.

End

Official Statement from The Vrak Ministry of Rites

The nation of Chellis obviously feels that it is strong and mighty by challenging a nation one tenth its size in population. Truly Chellis does not believe in diplomacy but feels that it can strong-arm its world view upon others. As well, we feel only disgust at the bootlicking displayed by the other nations in currying favour with Chellis. It would seem that the world these days is made up of nothing but bullies and mealy mouths.

Consider this. Why does an insignificant nation such as the Blackhelm Confederacy and the Griffencrest Corp not bother Vrak or the Klatch in general? It certainly isn't because some secret deal has been struck. No, it is because they exhibit wisdom by leaving us alone and we do not bother them since they never harmed us.

Now, are their legitimate concerns about the actions of Griffencrest Corp? Certainly, but their are other ways to defeat your foe instead of using a blunt club that Chellis favours.

Signed

[The Great Seal of the Ministry of Rites]

Official Statement from The Vrak Ministry of Rites

The nation of Chellis obviously feels that it is strong and mighty by challenging a nation one tenth its size in population. Truly Chellis does not believe in diplomacy but feels that it can strong-arm its world view upon others. As well, we feel only disgust at the bootlicking displayed by the other nations in currying favour with Chellis. It would seem that the world these days is made up of nothing but bullies and mealy mouths.

Consider this. Why does an insignificant nation such as the Blackhelm Confederacy and the Griffencrest Corp not bother Vrak or the Klatch in general? It certainly isn't because some secret deal has been struck. No, it is because they exhibit wisdom by leaving us alone and we do not bother them since they never harmed us.

Now, are their legitimate concerns about the actions of Griffencrest Corp? Certainly, but their are other ways to defeat your foe instead of using a blunt club that Chellis favours.

Signed

[The Great Seal of the Ministry of Rites]

OOC:
He don't feel strong, he knows he is, and he is acting only now because IC;y and OOCly he is fed up with the mess.

And the blunt club is the only universal language of NS...

Must... invent... IC rebuttle!

OOC: I think, Hurtful Thoughts, that you are addressing me oocly. First, I'm not sure why you are bothering to explain to me what Chellis is doing. I can read as well as you so your interpretation is not necessary. Secondly, please use the "ic" and "ooc" tags properly. Thirdly, I responded icly to Chellis' statement as Vrak would normally do since we, icly, have a low opinion of them, especially when they pick fights with nations 1/10 their size. Fourthly, yes, I am quite aware that the "blunt club" is a common way of rping on NS. So is the magical transport of a billion troops by nations that have the defense budget equal to the corner grocery store. Doesn't mean it's a good rp.

Official Message from the Czardaian Foreign Ministry

Once again, we observe that in a world dominated by war, destruction, chaos, and turmoil, the Vrakian Ministry of Rites displays the viewpoint of reason that only an isolationist nation could offer, being as such above or at least outside such conflicts. If the nations of the world truly believe that a massive nation such as Chellis is "standing up" to the pitiful wannabe menace known as the Blackhelm Confederacy and its Griffincrest Corporation, in an age when the Kraven Corporation is looked upon as a global superpower and the Global Alliance of Sovereign Nations a dominating bloc, we are beginning to question that national leaders these days have any sense of proportion. Kind of makes us miss the days of NATO, RWC, GDODAD and the like...

~ Kari Alhoun, Czardaian Foreign Minister

Blackhelm Confederacy has 22 hours

I am in at least 5 other threads right now. I really can't take on another. Sorry, but I have to ignore this until a later date.

I am in at least 5 other threads right now. I really can't take on another. Sorry, but I have to ignore this until a later date.

OOC: You have no problems getting involved in a bunch of other wars with weaker people, but the moment someone who can actually take you on comes up, you ignore him? Thats pretty sad.

Official Statement from The Vrak Ministry of Rites

We give thanks for the kind remarks from Kari Alhoun, Czardaian Foreign Minister. Trhankfully, the entire world is not without wisdom and insight which means that there is still hope that peace-loving folk who only wish to be left alone from idiots. Let us hope that short-sightedness, moronity, and lunacy can be stamped out by foresight, wisdom, and peace. We prevail upon the nation of Chellis to halt their planned warfare upon the nation of the Blackhelm Confederacy and the Griffincrest corporation. May Bok find favour for the nation of Czardas.

Signed

[The Great Seal of the Ministry of Rites]

OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT COMMUNIQUE
TO: The International Community
FROM: George A. Loak, Supreme Emepror of the Dark Empire of Shazbotdom

Until such a time as the Blackhelm Confederacy stops harboring the international fugitives that run the Warmongering Corporation of Griffencrest, they will remain an Ememy of the Empire and will be watched with anything we have. We will also continue to fight them and their allies on the front in The World Soviet Party (If that RP is still going on) and will stop at nothing to rid our Allied Lands of these tyranical Mercinaries.

OOC: You have no problems getting involved in a bunch of other wars with weaker people, but the moment someone who can actually take you on comes up, you ignore him? Thats pretty sad.

OOC: He is currently already in several wars with people substantially larger than he is. He is ignoring you (just like I said he would) because he is already in so many wars, and cannot, OOCly, possibly keep up with more.

OOC: It's funny, when I saw this thread, my first thought was BC's gonna ignore this, and it's going to look kinda funny after this huge buildup.
I was right. And I don't blame BC, you can't force someone into an RP, no matter how much of a jerk you are, Chellis. :p

OOC: He is currently already in several wars with people substantially larger than he is. He is ignoring you (just like I said he would) because he is already in so many wars, and cannot, OOCly, possibly keep up with more.

OOC: Its bad form, still. He has gotten himself involved in more than he can handle, which is nobody's fault but his own. Its not godmodding or anything, but people shouldn't start wars then ignore those who attack them as a result.

He didn't have to fight me, either. He could have peacefully withdrawn his forces, instead of wussing out and ignoring me.

OOC: It's funny, when I saw this thread, my first thought was BC's gonna ignore this, and it's going to look kinda funny after this huge buildup.
I was right. And I don't blame BC, you can't force someone into an RP, no matter how much of a jerk you are, Chellis. :p

OOC: Funny, I wasn't aware I was attempting to force anything. I was simply playing out the situation as my nation would in reality, and I've been ignored because blackhelm doesn't want to get beaten. Bad form, but I'm not going to force anything.

OOC: Its bad form, still. He has gotten himself involved in more than he can handle, which is nobody's fault but his own. Its not godmodding or anything, but people shouldn't start wars then ignore those who attack them as a result.

He didn't have to fight me, either. He could have peacefully withdrawn his forces, instead of wussing out and ignoring me.

OOC: Funny, I wasn't aware I was attempting to force anything. I was simply playing out the situation as my nation would in reality, and I've been ignored because blackhelm doesn't want to get beaten. Bad form, but I'm not going to force anything.

OOC: It is not bad form to avoid being involved in more RPs than you can OOCly handle. In fact, I would say that it would be bad form to get yourself so involved in so many different RPs that you cannot provide an entertaining experience for the other players involved in any of them. He is in no way "chickening out" by doing this; he has proven that he is no coward by taking on plenty of nations that are much larger than him once they attacked (based on being offended by his imperialistic actions against smaller nations, something which you cite as an example of cowardice).

OOC: It is not bad form to avoid being involved in more RPs than you can OOCly handle. In fact, I would say that it would be bad form to get yourself so involved in so many different RPs that you cannot provide an entertaining experience for the other players involved in any of them. He is in no way "chickening out" by doing this; he has proven that he is no coward by taking on plenty of nations that are much larger than him once they attacked (based on being offended by his imperialistic actions against smaller nations, something which you cite as an example of cowardice).

OOC: The difference here is, I am not an aggressor. I am trying to force him to withdraw from some of these conflicts, to prevent a possible world war. Again, he should have been more careful getting into so many conflicts. Hell, he choose to get involved in beiraqs invasion of icovir, after I created this thread, and when he first posted in the thread, I made sure he knew about this one.

He choose to get involved in more wars, and ignoring a just attack on him.

OOC: It is not bad form to avoid being involved in more RPs than you can OOCly handle. In fact, I would say that it would be bad form to get yourself so involved in so many different RPs that you cannot provide an entertaining experience for the other players involved in any of them. He is in no way "chickening out" by doing this; he has proven that he is no coward by taking on plenty of nations that are much larger than him once they attacked (based on being offended by his imperialistic actions against smaller nations, something which you cite as an example of cowardice).

OOC: This is true. Some of us have a limited amount of time in the day - I don't know how Blackhelm is handling, five was it, wars as it is. I personally could barely manage one at the moment!

OOC: The difference here is, I am not an aggressor. I am trying to force him to withdraw from some of these conflicts, to prevent a possible world war. Again, he should have been more careful getting into so many conflicts. Hell, he choose to get involved in beiraqs invasion of icovir, after I created this thread, and when he first posted in the thread, I made sure he knew about this one.

He choose to get involved in more wars, and ignoring a just attack on him.

OOC: Not ignoring one circumstance, such as a conflict between an established ally and an established enemy, does not mean that he forfits his right to ignore another, such as a new person entering and creating a new front elsewhere.

Pertaining to the war in Beiraq

A) I have to get involved as he is an associate state
B) It will not be a full scale war, rather I will bomb areas and send in support units, leaving the real fighting for Beiraq.

Pertaining to the rest of the mindless garage you just spewed

A) I, unlike you, have a life. I do not sit around on NS all day, and it is incredibly hard to keep up with all of the RP's I am already in.
B) If I was afraid of loosing, I would have ignored the invasion of my nation, Crucible taking over a major port city, and I likely would not have created a counter alliance to the GASN was I was barely a month old.
C) You are not the aggresor?? You just said I have 48 hours to withdraw from all my operations or be destroyed. Fuck you.
D) If you want to insult me, I am positive I can shatter your self-esteem

Pertaining to the war in Beiraq

A) I have to get involved as he is an associate state
B) It will not be a full scale war, rather I will bomb areas and send in support units, leaving the real fighting for Beiraq.

Pertaining to the rest of the mindless garage you just spewed

A) I, unlike you, have a life. I do not sit around on NS all day, and it is incredibly hard to keep up with all of the RP's I am already in.
B) If I was afraid of loosing, I would have ignored the invasion of my nation, Crucible taking over a major port city, and I likely would not have created a counter alliance to the GASN was I was barely a month old.
C) You are not the aggresor?? You just said I have 48 hours to withdraw from all my operations or be destroyed. Fuck you.
D) If you want to insult me, I am positive I can shatter your self-esteem

Whoa Whoa, let's not start a Flame war. Blackhelm I understand what you're saying, but please dont start one

Pertaining to the war in Beiraq

A) I have to get involved as he is an associate state
B) It will not be a full scale war, rather I will bomb areas and send in support units, leaving the real fighting for Beiraq.

Pertaining to the rest of the mindless garage you just spewed

A) I, unlike you, have a life. I do not sit around on NS all day, and it is incredibly hard to keep up with all of the RP's I am already in.
B) If I was afraid of loosing, I would have ignored the invasion of my nation, Crucible taking over a major port city, and I likely would not have created a counter alliance to the GASN was I was barely a month old.
C) You are not the aggresor?? You just said I have 48 hours to withdraw from all my operations or be destroyed. Fuck you.
D) If you want to insult me, I am positive I can shatter your self-esteem

Yeah! *swings arm*

Pertaining to the war in Beiraq

A) I have to get involved as he is an associate state
B) It will not be a full scale war, rather I will bomb areas and send in support units, leaving the real fighting for Beiraq.

Pertaining to the rest of the mindless garage you just spewed

A) I, unlike you, have a life. I do not sit around on NS all day, and it is incredibly hard to keep up with all of the RP's I am already in.
B) If I was afraid of loosing, I would have ignored the invasion of my nation, Crucible taking over a major port city, and I likely would not have created a counter alliance to the GASN was I was barely a month old.
C) You are not the aggresor?? You just said I have 48 hours to withdraw from all my operations or be destroyed. Fuck you.
D) If you want to insult me, I am positive I can shatter your self-esteem

OOC:

A. You don't know me, so please don't act like you do. I balance college, work, and a social life with nationstates. It takes me maybe 5 minutes to make a post, if I'm responding to a good number of things, or making an attack, etc. Even if I were involved in 5 wars, it would take maybe a half hour to fully respond to them. Hardly taking up my whole life. Again, don't act like you know me.

B. You ignored me, while getting involved in more conflicts. It seems to me if you are so stretched, you should stop getting involved in things, and try to open up some of your time. You are doing what you need to do, with IC in mind. So am I. The difference is, I havnt ignored you for what you need to do, neither have others.

C. I am not the aggressor. Telling a warmongering state to withdraw its hostile forces, or face attack, is hardly an aggressive move. If I was being aggressive, I would have just attacked you. And you don't need to resort to cussing. Makes you seem, in my eyes anyways, quite immature.

D. I don't know where I've insulted you. On the other hand, you've said I have no life, cussed at me, and said you could shatter my self-esteem. Again, really immature. I really don't care about what you have to say about me. I'm not the one getting in over my head, and complaining when things come crashing down on me.

Pertaining to the war in Beiraq

A) I have to get involved as he is an associate state
B) It will not be a full scale war, rather I will bomb areas and send in support units, leaving the real fighting for Beiraq.

Pertaining to the rest of the mindless garage you just spewed

A) I, unlike you, have a life. I do not sit around on NS all day, and it is incredibly hard to keep up with all of the RP's I am already in.
B) If I was afraid of loosing, I would have ignored the invasion of my nation, Crucible taking over a major port city, and I likely would not have created a counter alliance to the GASN was I was barely a month old.
C) You are not the aggresor?? You just said I have 48 hours to withdraw from all my operations or be destroyed. Fuck you.
D) If you want to insult me, I am positive I can shatter your self-esteem


*claps loudly* beautiful work of art!!!

Pertaining to the war in Beiraq

A) I have to get involved as he is an associate state
B) It will not be a full scale war, rather I will bomb areas and send in support units, leaving the real fighting for Beiraq.


YES! That actually gives me more of a chance in the long run (after some of your fighters are taken down if I manage to do so).

It takes me maybe 5 minutes to make a post, if I'm responding to a good number of things, or making an attack, etc. Even if I were involved in 5 wars, it would take maybe a half hour to fully respond to them.

And what detailed and well-thought-out posts those must be!

OOC:chellis I, as you probably already know, dont care about your personal life...Hell I dont care about any of the other players lives. I just want this war to get underway. And If I have to bomb both of you to get it started so be it. I have been waiting for a good IC: reason to bomb him in to the 7th circle of hell and back. Dont give this up. and to everyone else.... Nationstates is an IC: driven game... Players who over extended thier abilities should and will die.... as would any nation in real life who over extends thier military and leadership. Chellis even if you are the aggessor who cares... just do what you think should be done....

OOC:chellis I, as you probably already know, dont care about your personal life...Hell I dont care about any of the other players lives. I just want this war to get underway. And If I have to bomb both of you to get it started so be it. I have been waiting for a good IC: reason to bomb him in to the 7th circle of hell and back. Dont give this up. and to everyone else.... Nationstates is an IC: driven game... Players who over extended thier abilities should and will die.... as would any nation in real life who over extends thier military and leadership. Chellis even if you are the aggessor who cares... just do what you think should be done....

OOC: You can't force people to RP with you. He doesn't want to, its his choice.

I remember back in the day, when ignoring legitimate IC actions was grounds for everyone else RPing to ignore your very existence. As I am currently not involved in this thread, I feel I can offer an unbiased perspective on what I have just read over the last page or so:



Blackhelm, yes you are involved in a lot of RPs at the moment. However, this OOC constraint should not limit what you can or cannot do IC. I can understand not having that much time in the day to get on NS (Hell, I'm in much of the same position). However, it is still possible to balance many RPs, by this simple formula: Take your time. Instead of responding to every single post in every thread you're involved in every day, if you're strapped for time you can respond to a few threads one day, the rest the next day, and work your way back and forth like that. yes, they'll move slower, but that shouldn't be a problem provided you agree with the other people in the thread to slow the pace down a bit so you can remain involved.

Just as a real-life example, it's not as if Japan could say to the Soviet Union in August 1945 'Sorry, but I'm already fighting China, the United States and Britain. I don't have time to fight you.' That's essentially what you're saying In Character. And by the time you have time to fight Chellis, his reason for fighting you will have disappeared, for whatever reason (Your loss or your victory, either way).



Blackhelm Cheerleaders (Maldorians, Errikland, etc.): Posting things such as

*claps loudly* beautiful work of art!!!

or

Yeah! *swings arm*

simply do not help anyone. If anything, they provoke the other person OOC. This OOC dispute is - mainly - between Chellis and Blackhelm. Yes, you can point out your points on whatever side you choose, but this is between them. Especially things like that when it was, to be fair, a fairly insulting post towards Chellis.


Chellis: I can appreciate your IC reasons for invading Blackhelm. Hell, I've considered doing the same for IC reasons as well. However, I must say that OOCly, I advise you to try and avoid stuff like 'wussing out'. Not saying you should correct the way you talk or anything, but this thread is heading for a flame war and fast. Otherwise, I pretty much agree with you.




And remember, this can all be resolved out of character in a polite and civil manner. Something can be done to work it out. Something can always be done to work it out.