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OK, this is the OOC-thread for the The West African Adventure.

The IC-thread is here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=503053).

Let's keep all OOC-comments in this thread!

OCC: I'll get to all your posts later but, I wanted to address the point you brought up Kopparbergs. Your right, there are very few player conflicts and I hope you would see why. Every war that will break out will become a dog pile.

See this RP as an example- Everyone is allied with everyone else. So, when if any wars breaks out it will become a world war. You, Persecution and Hatred and Vineyard are all plan on attacking me. 3 to 1 odds are not good so, to defend myself I would have to call on my allies and you would do the same and before you know it the whole world is at war. That would be a major headache in my opinion, but if you all want to go that route I'll give it a go. But, I thought I suggest me and you (Kopparbergs) have just a little regional war. If, you want to have a war. Using real life as an example, when Argentina invaded the Falklands, you didn't have every neighbor around Argentina up and suddenly declare war on them. So, if you all are about to attack me (declare war, I would like an good IC reason instead of- I declare war on you because I think your imperialists. That's all I ask). One final note, my total forces in the area are less then 20,000- Vineyard alone is sending 20,000 after me. Little overkill don't you think, also- how exactly does he/you plan to get those forces to attack me. I share no borders with any of your countries and as of right now I have Air and Naval Superiority. Which is the only way you'll be able to attack me, in the African region anyway.

I agree it will be fun and I look forward to the outcome, whatever it is.

Sorry for the long post I had a lot to say, I'll reply to all your posts when I get a chance. Let me know what you all decide.
I really get your point here, and to be honest I prefer to have a "local smaller war" instead of WWIII...

I think we should try to restrict this war to the two countries you recently invaded. At least to start with.

On another note, this is why I hate military alliances. Until the Red Sea War I've always played as a neutral state, and the RSA is the first alliance ever I'm a member of. Historically (pre-revamped Earth V) I was on my own all the time, and that was more fun. But when Sistan began to scramble his weapons against me, ALM and Arabicia I felt that I wouldn't have a chance to win with the new RL-based military rules in Earth-V, so the three of us made an agreement to help each other with the defense.

Until the Red Sea War, my government always had three policies:

§1 The Kingdom of Kopparbergs does not have chemical and biological WMD's and will never get such either.

§2 We will never ever negotiate with terrorists.

§3 We want to keep neutral, and do not want to be a part of any military alliance.

But I had to delete the third paragraph with the foundation of the RSA...

I my opinion all the alliances are killing some of the possible RP's because the risk of a WW.

I was going to send troops to help out UE out in Africa but then Vinyland started to move troops to the border of our two nations so I will still help UE in Africa as well as take care of that too. But I will try not to attack Kopparbergs forces because we have a non aggation pact with your nation. But if you attack our forces they will defend theirself as far as then need. My forces are more or less a peacekeeping force but we will also defend our Ally if they are attacked by anyone other then Kopparbergs or the 2nd Boar Republic we will have no other means to attack and defend our Ally.

The reason that I am saying Kopparbergs and the 2nd Boar Republic is because they have countries in Africa.

UE, I wonder what happened to the "old" government in Malabo, Equatorial Guinea?

Are they still around, are they arrested, or what happened to them?

I'm putting this thread in the reference thread, because it belongs there :D


And my question...

What do you guys hope to achieve in going to war?

UE, I wonder what happened to the "old" government in Malabo, Equatorial Guinea?

Are they still around, are they arrested, or what happened to them?

Well, when South Africa declared war on me I had to respond to that first. So, as soon as I get a chance I go into what happen to them, the people so on and so on.

I'm putting this thread in the reference thread, because it belongs there


And my question...

What do you guys hope to achieve in going to war?

Agreed it does belong in the reference thread.

I have nothing to gain by going to war. So, war is my last resort. That's why I asked South Africa and Vineyard to state a good IC reason for declaring war on my nation, other then I think your an imperialist so I'm going to war with you. If, that's their only reason it stinks IMO. Also, the declaration of war came out of nowhere, where was the tensions building up? Where were the signs. Wars just don't start all of a sudden- they take time to build up to a breaking level.

What do you guys hope to achieve in going to war?
My intentions is not to start WWIII, I just don't feel safe with EATO-troops invading an island in such close proximity to my most important coastline (most populated).

And besides I'm hoping to get a good player vs. player RP, in difference to the invasions of the NPC-countries.

My intentions is not to start WWIII, I just don't feel safe with EATO-troops invading an island in such close proximity to my most important coastline (most populated).

And besides I'm hoping to get a good player vs. player RP, in difference to the invasions of the NPC-countries.

If you guys want a good one-on-one war, try to make it known oocly at the least, so all of these thousands of alliances that currently exist don't barge in on the fun... That said, you certainly picked the right continent to start one... *sarcasm*

I hope you withdraw this BattleGroup and your fleet back to Nigeria. As, that was part of the deal. You know all forces stand down. And I know it doesn't look that far on the map, but the Island is actually quite some distance. Using a rough guide (map and a ruler) I got a distance of around 75 miles. That's from the Mainland of Island to the closest point of land in Nigeria. Your base in Lagos is much much further. 442 miles to be exact. So, depending on the speed of your ships and the tide, it would of taken your fleet about a good day or two to get there.
Hmm... If you can sail from Northern Spain and Portugal to Bioko Island (a distance of about 4,800 miles/7,700 km) in 3-4 days, I'm sure my navy can sail from Nigeria to Bioko Island in shorter time than two days?
This is what you said in one of your first posts in this thread:

"The other part of the fleet departed from Northern Spain and central Portugal. Travel time for both Task Forces was about 3-4 days."

And the base in Lagos is the westmost base in Nigeria. I have one base outside Port Harcourt and one base outside Uyo.
From my military declaration:
NM6 - Lagos [130,000 navy + 170,000 marines + 5,000 Special Elite Force]
NM7 – Port Harcourt [144,000 navy + 190,000 marines + 11,500 Special Elite Force]
NM8 – Uyo [110,000 navy + 160,000 marines]


http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m98/kopparbergs/nigeria-bases.jpg

And as I've RP'd in earlier posts, the navy should patrol the bay between Nigeria and Bioko Island, but not get any closer than 20 km to the island.

That is, if I wouldn't had attack that hostile force. Which I would have had it gotten to say within 20-40 milies or about an few hours away.
But your forces are around the capital, and limited to Bioko Norte? At least that's the impression I've got from your posts.

And I hope you don't plan on landing hostile forces with me stuck in the middle, that would be bad. :(
I'm letting you out, don't worry. :)

Hmm... If you can sail from Northern Spain and Portugal to Bioko Island (a distance of about 4,800 miles/7,700 km) in 3-4 days, I'm sure my navy can sail from Nigeria to Bioko Island in shorter time than two days?
This is what you said in one of your first posts in this thread:

"The other part of the fleet departed from Northern Spain and central Portugal. Travel time for both Task Forces was about 3-4 days."

And the base in Lagos is the westmost base in Nigeria. I have one base outside Port Harcourt and one base outside Uyo.
From my military declaration:
NM6 - Lagos [130,000 navy + 170,000 marines + 5,000 Special Elite Force]
NM7 – Port Harcourt [144,000 navy + 190,000 marines + 11,500 Special Elite Force]
NM8 – Uyo [110,000 navy + 160,000 marines]


http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m98/kopparbergs/nigeria-bases.jpg

And as I've RP'd in earlier posts, the navy should patrol the bay between Nigeria and Bioko Island, but not get any closer than 20 km to the island.


But your forces are around the capital, and limited to Bioko Norte? At least that's the impression I've got from your posts.


I'm letting you out, don't worry. :)

3-4 days is about right when I was guessing but, your right it would more then likely be more. How, much more I'm not sure. (Edit- you have the exact amount so yeah it would be much more then 3-4 days, alot more.) In my defense I've been guessing the time and distance, while the distance from the Island to Nigeria I used really data from various sources that I have picked up over the years.

Actually, my forces were spread out. I also got a small fleet in the area. Also, I haven't had a chance to RP their reaction to the declaration of war, the tensions rising then decreasing- so on and so on. All that happen changes things. And you never answer my question. Did you recall that force? If, not that would be bad.

Also, thanks for letting me out. Just be aware that's going to take more then 24 hours.

Actually, my forces were spread out. I also got a small fleet in the area. Also, I haven't had a chance to RP their reaction to the declaration of war, the tensions rising then decreasing- so on and so on. All that happen changes things. And you never answer my question. Did you recall that force? If, not that would be bad.

Also, thanks for letting me out. Just be aware that's going to take more then 24 hours.
No, I haven't recalled the force yet. I will do it when you have left the island (and I'm not that serious about the 24 hours limit).

As a matter of fact, you never asked me to stand down my forces... This is what you said in the International incident's thread:

If the nations of Vineyard, South Africa and Military Command will stand down their forces, recall their armies and void their declarations of war. Our government will void our declaration of war and furthermore, we will recall all Royal troops in Western Africa.
I never declared war on you, and I haven't fired a single shot in your direction.
But I'm convinced that you not should have the Bioko Island, and I'm ready to go to war over that island. On the other side, I don't have any kind of interest in the island myself, and I'm going to leave the island once you leave it.