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A group of us from a previous RP have decided to begin again as a Diplomatic RP set in the year 1870, just after the begining of the Franco-Prussian War.

The Scramble for Africa has just begun and you have the chance to change your nation's future. Will you be imperialized or will you become the dominant power?

Some alternate history may be allowed depending on how much it effects the world. Go ahead and post and it may be allowed.

Nations taken:
Italy ~ Voxio (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11861921#post11861921)
France ~ Hok-Tu
Britain ~ Caladonn
Mexico ~ Vineyard
Spain ~ Maldorians
Pyschotika ~ Korea
Russia ~ Neo-Erusea
Argentina ~ No Taxes
Belgium ~ [NS:]Delesa
Serbia ~ Generic Empire
Ottoman Empire ~ Zelron (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11862939#post11862939)
Japan ~ Terror Incognitia (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11834150#post11834150)
Austria-Hungary ~ Moorington (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11839749&posted=1#post11839749)
Prussia/Germany ~ Gibraltarland
[NS]ICCD-Intracircumcordei ~ Brazil
United States of America ~ Beautancus
The Free Boer Republics of the Orange State and Transvaal ~ Candistan (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=504387)

Special ~ Kroando


I will TG everybody on this list when the RP starts.

RP needs a good name, so suggestions will be accepted.

Yeah, anyone interested in this?

Good idea but im not really up to speed on the tech, all the good nations have been chosen already aswell. I am currently trying to get my 1650's-1770's rp up aswell, as much as i like controlling a nation im going for a more charactor based for now...easier to run without much confusion.

Good luck with this though...

Can I be Argentina?

It's true that many nations are taken, but there are still a lot more important people around. The Boer Republics of Transvaal and the Orange Free State (Which can presumably be RPed by one person) live in uneasy coexistence with the British Cape Colony and the powerful Zulus. They trekked north across the Veldt decades ago to escape British influence, but the recent discoveries of gold and diamonds in Boer territory has brought an influx of British, African, and other foreign miners.

As I said before, the Zulus are probably the most powerful African tribe at the moment, with 40,000 disciplined warriors. While they still use assegai (short stabbing spears) and hide shields, they do have some more modern weapons.

Also in Africa, the Abyssinian kingdom is far from any European nation, and in a position to modernise if they so choose.

Outside of Africa, Spain, Portugal, and Belgium all have a stake in the Scramble- indeed, Pakenham describes the Scramble for Africa as "a contest between the five colonial powers- Britain, France, Germany, Spain, and Italy and King Leopold of Belgium." He single-handedly built the most profitable African colony.

I'll do other non-African/European nations later...

Can I be Argentina?

You sure can.

Bump

Will there be a set economic and military system, like for example E20? Or will it be more open-ended?

I was thinking about a more open-ended system, though with mods to regulate it, and also an event structure, whereby the actions you take are reflected by events you recieve- ie, if I as Britain instigated wars in South Africa, India, and New Zealand while modernising and building railroads and buying colonies, then I'd have events about the finances being strained; in contrast, if you adopt a fiscally conservative policy and grant rights to your people, then you'll get good events. Other than events based on what you do, there are also events around historical events, some of which involve many nations, such as a Khedive change in Egypt, or diamonds being discovered in the Transvaal.

Of course, we don't necessarily need to have this policy, but it's helped activity and realism in several RPs I've been part of.

yupp, im gonna have to do a little research on the tech and era, but i will take the Belgiums!

If I can have a fairly industrialised and open society, I'm in. At the moment, it seems all the relevant nations are taken, so I'm afraid I'm probably out, but I'll keep an eye.

If I can have a fairly industrialised and open society, I'm in. At the moment, it seems all the relevant nations are taken, so I'm afraid I'm probably out, but I'll keep an eye.
Japan is modernizing and industrializing pretty rapidly and while they are not the most open society, they aren't as autocratic as some countries. Brazil and Chile fit your criteria for the most part, and Mexico (along with other South American countries) has the potential to industrialize. The Netherlands is small but industrialized and pretty open.

Edit: Yeah Spain and Portugal are good options also.

Will there be a set economic and military system, like for example E20? Or will it be more open-ended?

It'll be open UNLESS most players want to go with a set economic system.

[NS:]Delesa, you're in.

Japan is modernizing and industrializing pretty rapidly and while they are not the most open society, they aren't as autocratic as some countries. Brazil and Chile fit your criteria for the most part, and Mexico (along with other South American countries) has the potential to industrialize. The Netherlands is small but industrialized and pretty open.
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Don't forget Spain or Portugal which already have some African lands under their belt.

And as I recall, the netherlands has colonies as well.

Hmmm....ok.
Japan will do. Be a bit of a challenge, so soon after the black ships, etc, but 's cool.

Added.

I think I will start this fairly soon, so get in on a nation early so you can get off to a better start.

I'd like to get involved in this as Serbia.

Great, this seems to be picking up... can we get confirmation from the players from T-191, that they're all still doing this? If not, I'd like to give other people a chance to pick some of the great powers.

Howcome my country is opposite in name from everyone else's? (minor thing).

Also, how about a name of 'Empire!'....keep it simple.

Umm... actually I don't even see you on the list...

And that does sound like a good name.

hes japan, your people are even going to look funny compared to the black(for lack of a better term, since i dont want to say slaves) and europeon people lol

How long until this kicks off, you think?

How long until this kicks off, you think?
Sometime between now and thursday.

Great, this seems to be picking up... can we get confirmation from the players from T-191, that they're all still doing this? If not, I'd like to give other people a chance to pick some of the great powers.

I'm still here. Ready and waiting.

Seeing how most other powerful nations are taken..

Can I have Mexico?

i will not be able to post until friday if even, saturday for sure, reasons it really doesnt matter, its travel and what not, but until then!:p

Can I be the House of Bragança, (brazil / portugal? etc.)

ICCD-Intracircumcordei;11824263']Can I be the House of Bragança, (brazil / portugal? etc.)

Um, I'll have to consider this one since I'm not sure it'd be fair to give you two countries, even if they aren't powerful ones. I'll do some research, see what the politics and relationship between the two nations is and decide.

The opinions of the other members will also be taken into account.
For now maybe you should choose which nation you prefere, just to make sure you get the one you want most.

Vineyard you are approved.

FORGIVE THE LONG POST JUST SOME BACKGROUND (Just skip over it if you arn't interested in the background)

1800's was the breakup of portugal trade empire, when napolean invaded spain and portugal the royal family the Bragança's fled to Brazil and ruled the portugeuse empire from brazil.

Soon after Brazil ended upon gaining independance in a English mediated agreement with portugal.

It was the Empire of Portugal. This lasted from around 1826 to 1889
Pedro I and Pedro II. It was known as the golden age of Brazil.

Well I'd play as "just brazil.. but in all honesty it is pretty dwarfed compaired to say russia england france austria hungary japan .etc etc...
but if it' a toss up it'd be the Empire of Brazil...

but for instance look at france spain or britain at this time in terms of global influence portugal is a spect compaired to them.

It in my impartial opinion is NOT going to create a powerful instance...

however historically the split between portugal and brazil occured in the 1820's but the royal families were still related "brother sister etc.." their fater was a uniter, he abdicated for his son.

There was still some popular movement for brazil and portugal to be united, but there was also an independance movement in part stirred by french freemasonry.. and freemasonry in general acting against the catholic church.

It just has such a low pop without portugal.. it is made very small compaired to the other major players "france, spain, britain(indiapakistanetc.., canada, austrialia, south africa etc..), japan, china, etc.."


but its an rp so power insn't the issue, but it'd be easier just to play the portugeuse imo, there was lots of turmoil and internal division then, but most bloodless.
The Emperor of Brazil was Pedro II
The king of Portugal was Luís I (the nephew of Pedro II)


This would be a loose roster, of zones (and some ones not listed are "hot areas" at the time... such as uruguay... It seems like a lot but in perspective to the major players, russia, ottoman empire, britain, france, germany, austria hungary, u.s. , japan and china and others its not... just a long list..


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* Angola/Portuguese West Africa crown colony (1589-1951);
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* Cabo Verde/Cape Verde - crown colony (1587-1951)
Cacheu - captaincy (1640-1879).
Bissau - settlement under Cacheu separate colony under Cape Verde (1753-1879).
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* Mozambique/Portuguese East Africa) colony (1752-1951);
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* São Tomé e Príncipe - crown colony (1753-1951); overseas province (1951-1971); local administration (1971-1975). Independence in 1975.
São João Baptista de Ajudá
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* Ziguinchor - possession (1645-1888).
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* Azores - colonies autonomous districts of Angra do Heroismo, Horta and Ponta Delgada (1831-1976).
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* Brazil - independence in 1822. (but still same dynasty) house of brazanca
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* Madeira autonomous district (1834-1976).
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* Flores Island - possession (16th-19th century)
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* Macau/Macao - overseas province (1844-1883);
o D. João, Lapa and Montanha Islands - settled by Portuguese missionaries in the XIX century
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* Índia Portuguesa/Portuguese India -
o Damão/Daman - acquisition in 1559-1946
o Diu - acquisition in 1535-1946.
o Dadra - acquisition in 1779-1954.
o Goa - colony (1510-1946).
o Nagar Haveli - acquisition in 1779-1954.
* Timor-Leste (East-Timor) - subordinate to Macau (1844-1896);
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the point is they are both the house of Bragança Uncle and Nephew
Of course the monarchies do not appear absolutist, and there is a lot of internal contraversy.

some other Braganca's from Pedro I still alive

* Januária de Bragança, daughter of Peter I of Brazil and IV of Portugal and his wife Maria Leopoldina, Archduchess of Austria.
, Princess Imperial of Brazil (11 March 1822–13 March 1901). Married Luigi Prince of the Two Sicilies, Count di Aquila, son of Francis I of the Two Sicilies, and had issue.
She married Luigi, Count di Aquila and Prince of the Two Sicilies, son of Francis I of the Two Sicilies
she had 4 children

her surviving children
* Luigi (18 July 1845–27 November 1909).He married morganatically Maria Amelia Bellow-Hamel and had 2 children.
* Filippo (12 August 1847–9 July 1922).He also married morganatically Flora Boonen and had no children.

* Francisca de Bragança, Princess of Brazil (2 August 1824–27 March 1898).
Married Francis d'Orleans, Prince de Joinville, son of Louis-Philippe of France, and had issue. daughter, Marie-Francoise de Bourbon-Orleans de Joinville, married her first cousin Robert, Duke of Chartres, (soon to be with child)

" * Pedro II of Brazil (2 December 1825–5 December 1891) "
Pedro I's second wife, Amélie de Beauharnais von Leuchtenberg (31 July 1812–26 January 1873):

Pedro II's daughter
Isabel, Princess Imperial of Brazil Isabel, Princess Imperial of Brazil (July 29, 1846–November 14, 1921), youngest daughter of King Francis I of the Two Sicilies
wife of Prince Gastão d' Orléans, Count of Eu (1842–1922) - Louis Philippe Marie Ferdinand Gaston, Prince d'Orleans, comte d'Eu, son of Louis Charles Philippe Raphael, duc de Nemours, a cadet prince of the house of Orleans. (she is set to have 3 sons)
(she took the role of vice regent in Brazil, on three occasions while pedro II travelled)

He had also nine illegitimate children, including five with his best-known lover Domitila, Marchioness of Santos, one with her sister, and one with a nun in Portugal.





Luís I, King of Portugal
Carlos I son of King Luís Filipe and Princess Maria Pia of Savoy daughter of Victor Emmanuel II, King of Italy.

the other son Infante Afonso, Duke of Porto (1865-1920)
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In Brazil , the long ill Queen Maria I died in 1816 and was succeeded by her son Dom Joao, who became João VI King of the United Kingdom of Portugal, Brazil , and the Algarve (reigned 1816-1826) and was crowned in Rio de Janeiro , which was raised to the dignity of co-capital of the Portuguese Empire. Back in Portugal , the Cortes was re-established in the king's absence. In 1821, King João VI returned to Portugal , leaving behind his eldest son Dom Pedro in Brazil as the Regent. After the return of João VI, the Cortes implemented the Constitution of 1822 which provided for a limited monarchy with the ministers responsible to the elected legislators and not the king.

To the detriment of his father the king, the Masonic Lodge of Rio de Janeiro declared Dom Pedro Emperor of Brazil in 1822 and Dom Pedro accepted. King João VI consented to this arrangement provided he would be allowed to continue to use the title Emperor of Brazil until his death. Four years later in 1826, João VI died and the Regency Council of Portugal recognised Dom Pedro, Emperor of Brazil, as the Heir to the Portuguese Throne provided he abdicate the Brazillian Imperial Throne.

While Dom Pedro preferred Brazil to his native Portugal he did return at the insistence of the Portuguese Army as King Pedro IV (reigned 1826). Pedro IV did not care for the limitations placed on his rule by the Constitution of 1822, so he demanded changes from the Cortes, which resulted in the Charter of 1826, which expanded the powers of the king. After the Charter was instituted, Pedro IV abdicated the throne of Portugal in favour of his minor daughter Dona Maria da Gloria, who would become Queen Maria II (reigned 1826-1828 and 1834-1853) and marry her uncle, Dom Pedro's younger brother Dom Miguel, who would return from exile to be Regent during Maria's infancy and later marry her and become King Consort. After Emperor Pedro's return to Brazil , his brother Dom Miguel returned from an exile imposed by his father whom he had tried to overthrow to serve as the Regent of the Realm until Maria II reached her majority. Upon his arrival in Lisbon , Dom Miguel was proclaimed the new king as Miguel I (reigned 1828-1834) by the conservative elements of the country: the nobility, the Church, and the army. To the delight of Catholic Majority, King Miguel I abolished the Charter of 1826 and ruled Portugal as an absolutist and was politically supported by the Vatican, the United States and Spain.

Losing popular political support in Brazil , Emperor Pedro abdicated his imperial throne in 1831 in favour of his infant son Dom Pedro, who ruled Brazil as Emperor Pedro II (reigned 1831-1889). The former Emperor and his daughter, Maria II, then left for England to plan the overthrow of his brother King Miguel I and restore Maria II to the throne of Portugal .

With a fleet of fifty ships the former Emperor and almost eight thousand hired mercenaries sailed from the Azores in 1832 to launch an attack on the city of Oporto`. After a divisive two year civil war, Miguel I signed a peace treaty with his brother. He did not abdicate but rather left the country in exile for the peace of his realm. Dom Pedro (formerly Pedro IV of Portugal and Pedro I of Brazil) placed his daughter Maria II back on the throne and then died of tuberculosis in Mafra Palace only days after his victory in 1834 and having just been made Generalissimo of the Army by his grateful daughter.

Under Queen Maria II and her father's appointed Masonic Anti-Clerical Ministers, all religious orders were extinguished, Church property was confiscated and over five hundred religious houses were sold at auction to pay for the civil war. In 1836 Maria II married Prince Ferdinand of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha who became Ferdinand II the King Consort. In 1853, Maria II died leaving the throne to her minor son Pedro V (reigned 1853-1861) with her husband, Ferdinand II as the Regent of the Realm until Pedro V reached his majority. King Pedro V's short reign was marked by horrific epidemics of yellow fever and cholera which killed not only the king but also his beautiful young bride Queen Estefania and his younger brothers Dom Joao and Dom Ferdinand.

King Pedro V was succeeded by the eldest of his two surviving younger brothers Dom Luis who was crowned as King Luis I (reigned 1861-1889) and who married Princess Maria Pia of Savoy , the daughter of the King Vittorio Emmanuel II of Italy , in 1862. Luis I was the model of a constitutional monarch who was so well liked that he was called Luis o Popular (Luis the Popular) by the Portuguese people. Luis I was a patron of the arts who established schools of higher learning and museums, promoted the publication of literature and commissioned musical compositions. He was also an amateur archaeologist whose collection of Roman artifacts excavated in Portugal can still be viewed in Vila Viçosa.
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I'm up for the challegene.. and lots of domestic unrest to deal with.

Come on come on, can I , can I?

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Brazil isn't one of the weakest nations, though, and according to wikipedia,
The Empire of Brazil is a political entity that comprised present-day Brazil under the rule of Emperors Pedro I and his son Pedro II. Founded in 1822, it was replaced by a republic in 1889.

Portugal definitely had some influence over Brazil, but Portugal did not control Brazil.

I think no. You can try RPing it once the RP starts, with someone else acting as the other nation; but you can't start with it.

[NS]ICCD-Intracircumcordei you are going to have to choose one or the other.

Yeah, two nations seems a bit odd, but Brazil and Portugal are both interesting. Portugal has some of the most extensive African colonies right now, and Brazil is set up for the South American dynamic with Argentina, etc.

[NS]ICCD you are going to have to choose one or the other.

yah, it'll be brazil like I said. ... atleast to start.. mUAHAHAHAHHA.

Can't wait till this starts...

I would like to take a... less traditional claim. I was interested in... making an African Country. Perhaps I could claim an individual person with some considerable wealth (still comparitively insiginificant) with a small band of followers (20-30) and start off at some European Trading Post. Im not exactly sure how it would turn out, but it would make for an interesting RP.

I don't know... Sounds like a good idea.

Kroando... Kroando, have I seen you before?

Coalitionism, where have i seen that before?

Yeah so should we make factbooks before we start?

I would like to take a... less traditional claim. I was interested in... making an African Country. Perhaps I could claim an individual person with some considerable wealth (still comparitively insiginificant) with a small band of followers (20-30) and start off at some European Trading Post. Im not exactly sure how it would turn out, but it would make for an interesting RP.

What african country?

How about a portugeuse slave ship that is scuttled by the british and marooned in madagascar?




p.s. I'm going to start posting a Factbook thread for

"The edicts of change"

essentially 1870 rolls around AND then here is where history takes its turn I have a bunch.. so I'm gonna get started.. feel open to post to my "Edicts of Change" thread.
it will be unofficial for this RP until it is approved.

merci beaucoup

I've done quite a bit of reseach so I feel like I have a good idea about Imperial Brazil at the time. (wondering who is any will play argentina though..

I would like to take a... less traditional claim. I was interested in... making an African Country. Perhaps I could claim an individual person with some considerable wealth (still comparitively insiginificant) with a small band of followers (20-30) and start off at some European Trading Post. Im not exactly sure how it would turn out, but it would make for an interesting RP.

I dunno if you remember, but I believe we were in a roleplay together. And As i recall you roleplayed fairly well, so I will allow this claim. I will nee some more information, so send me a TG and we can discuss this further.

Yeah so should we make factbooks before we start?
Yes, if you want to you may do so.

People will be REQUIRED to have at least a simple one within' the first week of playing.

START OF THE 1870 BRAZIL FACTBOOK
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11829389#post11829389

ICCD-Intracircumcordei;11829131'] (wondering who is any will play argentina though..
I am Argentina and when the RP begins I have a proposal for you.

feel open to tg me before hand.. i was actually gonna TG you... ... so yah I'd like to talk starting now if your interested in plotting some strategy.

I'll tg you as well

Do we have a map yet? We should really get one...

here is a pretty good site to give you an idea?

do you need a world map for your element?

If so tell me and I can probably get some info, map etc.. for you.

For instance historic mexico a little history


http://www.mexonline.com/benitojuarez.htm


here is a map of mexico in 1870
Mexico 1870 Map (http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/5988/mexico1870qt9.jpg)

The top is mexico the bottom is "the central american states" (which later broke up to form a bunch of territories in central america

if you go to http://alabamamaps.ua.edu/historicalmaps/middle_america/mexico/mexico2.html


and go down to the 1870 map and click on it.. you are even able to zoom in on map details much clearer



The site has an amazing selection of historic maps, including an 1870 map (it includes trade routes and seawinds.. dutch or german??

http://alabamamaps.ua.edu/historicalmaps/world/after1800.html

Do we have a map yet? We should really get one...

I have a map which will be posted shortly after I post the RP thread.

RP thread is up:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11833420#post11833420

I was thinking about a more open-ended system, though with mods to regulate it, and also an event structure, whereby the actions you take are reflected by events you recieve- ie, if I as Britain instigated wars in South Africa, India, and New Zealand while modernising and building railroads and buying colonies, then I'd have events about the finances being strained; in contrast, if you adopt a fiscally conservative policy and grant rights to your people, then you'll get good events. Other than events based on what you do, there are also events around historical events, some of which involve many nations, such as a Khedive change in Egypt, or diamonds being discovered in the Transvaal.

Of course, we don't necessarily need to have this policy, but it's helped activity and realism in several RPs I've been part of.

I am in more than total support of this motion (especially seeing the first Brazilian post).

Austria-Hungary, reportin'.

Should I just keep my factbook for the most part? Since we are starting in 1870, most of my stuff be kept along the same lines?

Bumpity!

may i have the Union of South Africa?
and is The Boer Republics of Transvaal and the Orange Free State part of south africa or no? J/W because if it is i also want that

may i have the Union of South Africa?
and is The Boer Republics of Transvaal and the Orange Free State part of south africa or no? J/W because if it is i also want that

Well, South Afrika doesn't really exist yet. It's still those states you mentioned and Britians Cape Town colony or whatever.

So you could chose Orange Free State or Transvall but not both or all of them.

OK ill take transvaal

OK ill take transvaal

Cool, Voxio should be coming out of the deep dark cave he lives in anyday now. ;)

o wait a minute. it says transvaal was taken by britain in 1877. will that happen in this RP?

o wait a minute. it says transvaal was taken by britain in 1877. will that happen in this RP?

One of the slight inconsistent aspects of this RP, we don't quite know what time we are starting at. So to be safe. I just gave out a pieace of a country until we are sure having all of it won't mess anything up.

may i take Spain?

ok so the british will try to take it but i can defend? That works fine for me

It's true that many nations are taken, but there are still a lot more important people around. The Boer Republics of Transvaal and the Orange Free State (Which can presumably be RPed by one person) live in uneasy coexistence with the British Cape Colony and the powerful Zulus. They trekked north across the Veldt decades ago to escape British influence, but the recent discoveries of gold and diamonds in Boer territory has brought an influx of British, African, and other foreign miners.

can i just RP them both under the name of The Free Boer Republics of the Orange State and Transvaal?

may i take Spain?

...

OK ill take transvaal

Okay, I'll add you shortly.

One of the slight inconsistent aspects of this RP, we don't quite know what time we are starting at. So to be safe. I just gave out a pieace of a country until we are sure having all of it won't mess anything up.Check the RP thread, I crealy stated that it is 1870.


can i just RP them both under the name of The Free Boer Republics of the Orange State and Transvaal?

I will allow you to RP both of them, but they are sepparate nations.

may i take Spain?
I'll add the new guys later, I'm afraid I don't have time now since I am getting ready to leave.

Well, for someone to hope for it to played in 1870 and it actually being accepeted by the other members is a totally different thing.

Just because you want it to happen doesn't mean everyone is going to totally agree and lay over dead.

The Afrikan republics, I feel, should be played either individually for a better RP, or by someone such as DMG. Even if the end result isn't totally accurate.

I was especially having doubts about giving such a potentially good RPin area over to one New Member.

Regardless, it seems the decision has passed over my head but the general feeling of going on regardless of popular opinion and relying on what you want is generally an attitude most look down at you for.

Of course from your stance you are the popular opinion as much as I am. Yet, I hate giving away such unique territory just cause. I guess I am to used the the strict controls of AMW.

^^would you rather have me be the Aro Trading Confederacy?

^^would you rather have me be the Aro Trading Confederacy?

Oh no, you can be a unified South Afrika it's totally cool. You got yourself through the door, maybe it clipped you on the heel but your officially in the RP with your nation.

For better or worse, we're in this RP together now.

One of the slight inconsistent aspects of this RP, we don't quite know what time we are starting at. So to be safe. I just gave out a pieace of a country until we are sure having all of it won't mess anything up.

I started at 1870 it is the fall of 1870 so far from the information that was given with 1 rl day = three months and the rp set to start at the francoprussian war 1870

ICCD-Intracircumcordei;11843745']I started at 1870 it is the fall of 1870 so far from the information that was given with 1 rl day = three months and the rp set to start at the francoprussian war 1870

I think Voxio cleared that up for me.

I'd prefer to start around 1875, when the Scramble is just beginning, Russian scares against India are happening soon, and most importantly we won't be bogged down by the RPing of the Franco-Prussian War as much. Still, I'm fine with pretty much any time period around this era.

Also, I support an RPer claiming both of the Boer states. Though it makes things significantly harder for me, they were quite similar; thus, provided the RPer is willing to RP them as separate nations, with differences of opinion and such, I'm fine with it.

Finally, my internet was out for the weekend, but I'm finally back now.

sorry all, i said saturday, and well its tuesday... my bad. i'll go and catch up.

I'd prefer to start around 1875, when the Scramble is just beginning, Russian scares against India are happening soon, and most importantly we won't be bogged down by the RPing of the Franco-Prussian War as much. Still, I'm fine with pretty much any time period around this era.

Also, I support an RPer claiming both of the Boer states. Though it makes things significantly harder for me, they were quite similar; thus, provided the RPer is willing to RP them as separate nations, with differences of opinion and such, I'm fine with it.

Finally, my internet was out for the weekend, but I'm finally back now.


Its 1871 now. only another two weeks before 1875. It already started.

ICCD-Intracircumcordei;11853296']Its 1871 now. only another two weeks before 1875. It already started.

It's October of 1870 right now. Like I said before, there's a war, so time works at a pace of 1 month = 1 day. othwerise wars would be lasting years longer than they should.

so time is going month to month now..

how does "back logged" gamming happen? for instance if a thread takes some time to like a couple days to play out.. ?

I'm assuming it is some type of local frozen time?

so after midnight to night it is now november 1870

so ever hour is approximately 1.25 days althouhg that timescale may not be used, but for curiosities sake evey RL minute would be what 30 game minutes ?
maybe my math is off.

I'm just wondering how do you differentiate between a war occuring and not a war occuring? would this be when no one is attacking another player? or when there is no state of official war.. for instance say that britian and egypt are at war.. but no combat is occuring as in actual physical combat.. it is just a continuation of an ongoing long term conflict.. would that be considered a war?

Curiosities sake.

ICCD-Intracircumcordei;11857538']so time is going month to month now..

how does "back logged" gamming happen? for instance if a thread takes some time to like a couple days to play out.. ?

I'm assuming it is some type of local frozen time?

so after midnight to night it is now november 1870

so ever hour is approximately 1.25 days althouhg that timescale may not be used, but for curiosities sake evey RL minute would be what 30 game minutes ?
maybe my math is off.

I'm just wondering how do you differentiate between a war occuring and not a war occuring? would this be when no one is attacking another player? or when there is no state of official war.. for instance say that britian and egypt are at war.. but no combat is occuring as in actual physical combat.. it is just a continuation of an ongoing long term conflict.. would that be considered a war?

Curiosities sake.

Lol, you really put a lot of work into this.

War time is used between the time war is officially declared and the time peace is declared.

I'm going to reformat the main page of the IC thread so that it's easy to see when war has been declared.

Here is the Ottoman Empire factbook: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11862939#post11862939

Cool, Austrio-Hungary is always eager to seek friendship with a new Central Power.