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I haven't been on NS in quite awhile now, so I'll explain myself.

In the few, brief RPs that I've been in here, I always seemed to have been distracted by something else and never able to completely finish them. Well, there's one thing that needs to be finished now, and that's the re-entry of Nueve Italia into the World.

As far as my nation's history goes, its very homeland, Isola D'Argenta, had been devastated and destroyed by Banduria by the use of chemical and biological weaponry. My people, who were locked in a Civil War when Banduria joined, fled the island during the battles, and ultimately, became refugees. Now in my last thread, I tried to rebuild from scratch, but I got caught up in so many other things that I just lost interest in NS, but now, I'd rather RP again.

So what I'm asking is for help (in IC or OCC form) for creating a new intro Thread to Nueve Italia. Since it's been some time IRL since my last thread, I'm assuming that my nation has gotten back on its feet (somewhat), and is functioning to a degree that allows my people to at least live day-to-day.

So if anyone would like to help, please, show your interest, because I have a feeling I'm not going to be able to do this well by myself.
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For a (brief) history on my nation and the events which have shaped it, look here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=469913&highlight=Nueve+Italia: The Rebuilding of Nueve Italia

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=452246&highlight=Nueve+Italia: The Nueve-Bandurian War

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=378324&highlight=Nueve+Italia: The Great Southern Insurrection

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=467480&highlight=Nueve+Italia: ( a look into the past of my nation, never did finish this one either) The Nueve Italian Civil War

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alright, ill join.

If you want to do something exciting, I've got some religious extremists who haven't blown anything up for a while...

Wanna be invaded to bring it back?

Aeson: Extremists that hate Roman Catholics? It's the official religion of Nueve Italia, so that could work but. . .

Amazonian Beasts: an invasion is something on the bigger global scale and would help put Nueve Italia back on the map (not in a good way, but hey).

I've got an idea to use them both however. Nueve Italia has seen enough war on its homeland to last a long time (the entire original island was destroyed, after all). Religious extremists (from Aeson) attacking the country would cause massive amounts of public unrest and, possibly, revolt. Amazonian Beasts, seizing upon the opportunity to overthrow a weak and fragile government that cannot regain the support of its own people, moves in for the kill to gain more territory.


Sound good?

what about me. i said ill join

So sorry bout that, missed it. Ok, if my earlier plan is accepted, you can either A) help defend Nueve Italia or B) join Amazonian Beasts in the attack, or C) other.

Really, it's your own choice what to do here, I'm just throwing out ideas.

Sweet, sounds good to me.

alrighty then, how bout the OK from you Aeson?

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hmm, you'd think a guy's asking peole too much to want to Role Play. . .

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Hey, if you're still interested, I'd be willing to invade you, I specialize in overthrowing tumultuous governments!

Alternatively, I could insert some of my Special Forces types and sabotage the Amazonian attack, seeing them as some sort of bigger threat or something...

In any case, I'd like to shoot at something not involved in the Blackhelm conflict.

I think I remember you (from your little war with Banduria, who by the way is no longer on II... he retired from NS and I took over his nation). You can establish diplomatic relations with me if you want... after I've finished invading Doomingsland, getting my butt kicked, disintegrating into civil war, and re-emerging onto the international scene with a new government (TBA).

If you want in on the civil war, you can join to try to influence the way my government develops... I think you were a fairly good writer, which is the kind of person I'm looking for.

You have MSN? Or AIM? Or IRC? (Not that I'm ever really on any of them between school and work, but meh...)

Sounds interesting. . .intriguing, definately. Yea, the Bandurian war, where all of my nation's island was wiped out, that's why I kind of died off the forums for a while.

Anyway, I do have AIM, sn's tranced89, although you could also always email me (tranced89@yahoo.com).

Influence the way your new government develops, you said? Well, according to my NS stats, Nueve Italia does have a pretty big trade surplus, and would definately want to seek out more markets to help rebuild it to the economic powerhouse it once was. The "cooperation" of the new Czardas government in trade agreements (and other matters) would be most helpful to the Holy Imperial Republic in regaining its global status. So, for one of the factions struggling to gain control of Czardas during the civil war, Nueve Italia could strike a deal with them to lend military and economic assistance under one cause: when said faction attains power, the H.I.R. is granted privileged trading rights with Czardas, with a deal for a decrease in import prices, of course.

Just looking down the road, if this works, this can lead to the people of Czardas (and government) becomming agitated by what they see as a Nueve Italian monopoly on goods that the home country can produce but is simply cheaper to just import. Said imports are hurting the industry of Czardas, and the people feel that it's time to break ties with Nueve Italia (or at least place trade and port restrictions). The H.I.R. sees this as an ungrateful act after the money and blood that was paid for by Nueve Italians to help create the new Czardaian government, and decides to place economic sanctions on Czardas, namely being the cease of shipment of raw materials and capital, to force the Czardaian government to repeal the restrictions.

Czardas, after trying to rebuild itself from the inside-out after the civil war, is in desperate need of those materials to create industry and infrastructure. However, the government (for some reason) cannot sign any new contracts, and with Nueve Italia being the main supplier, the embargo is severely hurting Czardaian interests.

In an effort to resolve the crisis quickly, the government of Nueve Italia decides to use a show of strength, and uses its fleet to blockade several key ports of Czardas, saying that the blockade will only be let up when Nueve Italia is once again a major supplier of Czardas. The Czardaian government knows that it cannot give in to Nueve Italian demands, but that it also desperately needs Nueve Italian goods.

From there however, I can't deem what would happen. Perhaps war, perhaps the threat of war from other nations/alliances/etc., maybe a diplomatic resolution, maybe a complete severing of ties.

Well, I carried that on for awhile, but hey, once the mind gets working, you know? Anyway, long-story-short, I'd be more than willing to help in the civil war. It'd be a great way for me to get warmed back up to NS, and it gives me more than a few ideas for what to do with my country.

That actually sounds like a good RP plan. Minor inhibiting factors include:

There is at least one nation helping each of four different major factions: the Loyalists (they want to keep the old, liberal-capitalist-democratic government), the Minarchists/Technocrats (who want to install merit-based rule and get rid of the former democratic system, but still keep the government out of civil and economic affairs), the Reformists (who are looking for economic and political reform, as in democratic socialism), and the Noble and Virtuous Society of Brothers (NVSB) (a religious, highly authoritarian right-wing group seeking to transform Czardas into an APOC-style dictatorship and further ties with nations such as Doomingsland, Generia, and the Borman Empire).

In addition, there are Independents (who don't adhere to any of the groups, or simply don't care), and there are the various corporations with influence in the nation. We Buy It Inc., a company based in The Silver Sky, owns part of the Czardaian oil industry and will apparently try to snatch up anything else it can. The Greater Czardaian Defence Initiative controls a powerful reserve of military forces that it will hire out to the highest bidder, provided that bidder knows what to offer. Dvardi'i Defence Industries, which supplies most of Czardas's military equipment, has a strong army of its own, along with some surprises it withheld from the public market. So overall, expect a rather complicated RP....

As soon as I have time to start the thread, I'll let you know, either by dropping you a TG, or an email, or whatever.

I'd be interested in helping, remember reading some of your stuff, found it fairly interesting, It'd also help me get back in the loop as well, after I took a break from things.

Well, I'd like to get involved in the Czardaian Civil War, will be good to create additional RPs in relation to Nueve Italian politics, economics, and society.

I'm trying to think of an idea here Novacom. . . how about if you either opposed/supported Nueve Italia's interference into the Czardaian war? If you opposed, it would create a suspense RP, for I don't think either your nation nor mine would want a war over another conflict, and neither nation would back down from their position. Frantic negotiations, appeasement, threats, all that. In my opinion, that could work out to be an awesome political thriller.

If you supported Nueve Italia, you could assist my nation in Czardas with intergrated military units and economic assistance. This could lead to a closer relation between Novacom and Nueve Italia, promoting trade for purely economic reasons instead of just for war goods. Possibility of an alliance and other types of diplomacy, perhaps?

All up to you man.

As for the forces involved in the Czardaian war, Nueve Italia will most likely support the Loyalists, due to the assistance they recieved from the current government and because of the political orientations of the other groups (though it is labeled as an Imperial Republic, Nueve Italia is mostly a directly-elected Republic with actual representation of the people. Its views are mostly right-wing conservative, but not to the extreme of an authoritarian government).

Why not move to Greater Dienstad?

I'm still in this, but it doesn't seem that Aeson is.

I'd propably end up being slightly opposed and in general hostile considering the old connections myself and Banduria had, but it wasn't too deep a relation, for a few reasons, and a fair bit of political conniving sounds interesting, I'll be able to reveal some of my shadowy internal politics which have remained behind the curtain far too long, which could in time develop into your second idea though it would certainly be an interesting side line in even trying to intergrate some elements, some of my military has a high degree of unorthodoxy, the rest is fairly tame though :p

, some of my military has a high degree of unorthodoxy,

That makes two of us... among the things I'm using these days are nuclear-powered "Aerial Battleships" with both rotary and fixed wings giving them a stall speed of zero, tanks with legs, patrol boats that turn into miniature submergibles with the touch of a button, a horribly inefficient but frightening-looking semi submergible 50 m high heavily armoured battlecruiser (no, it isn't an oxymoron) which looks like a flattop until it surfaces... a little bit like a Freekish Sentinel, but with much higher top speeds and fewer guns, primarily because guns can't fire underwater very easily.

That among all the traditional planes, ships, guns etc. of course...

@Nueve Italia: Ok then, your government sounds as though it might support the Loyalists anyway just because of the whole capitalist-democratic thing, unless it got really fanatical about the religion thing, which it doesn't seem to be.

You could also conceivably enlist the GCDI for support, because it's headed by that ex-fighter captain who directed operations in Nueve Italia for a while (she deserted along with the entirety of the Special Forces and enlisted them and a couple of army and airforce groups to form the Initiative's main fighting arm). Of course, if someone else pays them more to attack you, it could backfire. But that's half the fun of wars. :p

My Military Unorthodoxy is in the form of My Tokons, Automated Aerial Combat "drones" as it were, shaped like birds they boast heavy firepower high speed but low armour, cheapr production costs and fast construction. as well as a nice psychological warfare factor, and then theirs my Mobile Suits, and Psychic Technology (I Tend to leave that out of most things to avoid any arguments over god mod or ruining things,) the most whiff you'll get of anything psychic from me usually are Black Skull Enforcers, which use innate psychic powers in special operations, apart from that handful of things my military is fairly normal with the quirk instead of using Nuclear Power, it uses Tesla as a power source.

I remember on my Alter ego submersible warships, twas funny when there was a 4 way war with nuclear ordinance eventually being chucked round, boy that confusing.

Ah, PMT then. That's fine, I'm used to fighting with and against PMT. And psychic warfare is cool... maybe you can teach my troops how to do it.... ;)

So Czardas, when do you plan are starting this thread up, anyway?

oh, and btw, just read your invader's guide, very well written/explained. So naturally, I have a few questions. . .

1.) When the war comes, which groups will control what ports, airports, military bases, etc.?

2.) Which group will have access to CAMERA?

3.) If a group supported by Nueve Italia gains control of a base/city, can they shut down the area's defenses (AA, EMP, etc.)?

4.) Who will have control of the Air Force? (I imagine, being that I spend most of my time with my Air Force, that we will have several aerial encounters, I just want to know just how many dogfights am I going to have to prepare for)

5.) Would the Czardaians be asking Nueve Italian assistance, or is Nueve Italia simply to see the situation and lend aid?

6.) If answer above is the first choice, whom will contact Nueve Italia?

Well, that's all that I can think of for now then. . .

So Czardas, when do you plan are starting this thread up, anyway?
Nueve, did you read my suggestion?

soz SEA, musta passed it over really quick, so sorry

However, I'm fine with the region I'm in: I just wanted a way to quickly get back into the RP community

It'd be interesting as CAMERA would propably be paralysed or busy obliterating itself as each faction strove to control it and ended up destroying it.

heh, the greatest defense system of Czardas torn apart from the inside? Interesting, you're right. . . However, that would mean that Czardas would become easy pickings for naval invasions immediately following or during the civil war. Risky, risky.

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However, I'm fine with the region I'm in: I just wanted a way to quickly get back into the RP community
Cos' if you were to move into Greater Dienstad you'd be presented with the oppurtunity to get into a good role-play of a war firsthand - A Passion Play. An excellent role-play I might say.

Can I have a link to the RP? I'd like to check it out

@Nueve Italia: The thread will be up around the middle of the war with Doomingsland, after I start to take serious casualties and Czardaians get unhappy with the government;

oh, and btw, just read your invader's guide, very well written/explained. So naturally, I have a few questions. . .

1.) When the war comes, which groups will control what ports, airports, military bases, etc.?
I'm working on a map for that, actually. The Invader's Guide is a little bit out of date; however, I know for sure that Aurdania and its CAMERA system will be in the hands of the Greater Czardaian Defence Initiative, so that will stay secure for a while. The NVSB controls the city of Dorandor, a major industrial base; the Minarchists hold Palma and much of the surrounding area, while the main Loyalist stronghold is Mariosz (which is nonetheless embattled by reformists). All will be explained more fully in time.


2.) Which group will have access to CAMERA?

In likelihood, each one would control a different installation, and some would fight over various installations, etc. creating cool underground battle situations.

3.) If a group supported by Nueve Italia gains control of a base/city, can they shut down the area's defenses (AA, EMP, etc.)?

They could conceivably, but they wouldn't really want to, to protect it from other groups.

4.) Who will have control of the Air Force? (I imagine, being that I spend most of my time with my Air Force, that we will have several aerial encounters, I just want to know just how many dogfights am I going to have to prepare for)
Part of the Air Force will be with GCDI; part of it with the Loyalists, supporting the old government; part of it with the Timarchists/Minarchists, which are led by a former general; in addition, expect a lot of Doom Corp-manufactured fighter planes among the NVSB.


5.) Would the Czardaians be asking Nueve Italian assistance, or is Nueve Italia simply to see the situation and lend aid?

It's unlikely that there would be any government left to ask for assistance. Individual citizens with relatives in Nueve Italia may ask for aid, and those relatives may petition the government to look into the situation, etc.

6.) If answer above is the first choice, whom will contact Nueve Italia?
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See above. I kind of answered this question already.


heh, the greatest defense system of Czardas torn apart from the inside? Interesting, you're right. . . However, that would mean that Czardas would become easy pickings for naval invasions immediately following or during the civil war. Risky, risky.
Well, that's half the fun. XD

Besides, I have a larger navy now, I can defend my shores adequately. And the size of my air force has increased about tenfold, including lots of new planes, although they will all be divided up among various factions fighting for control... well, that's civil war for you.

Yep, that is civil war, and that's the fun of it :)

Well, thankyou for answering my questions. Is there any you had for me about my military, government, etc.?

Can I have a link to the RP? I'd like to check it out
A Passion Play (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=439156) is the primary IC thread, while the War of Golden Succession Index (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=485475) is the main OOC thread. It's a very long and intricate role-play detailing the politics of several nations, their armed services, culture, history and much more. Long read, but a goodie!

Yep, that is civil war, and that's the fun of it :)

Well, thankyou for answering my questions. Is there any you had for me about my military, government, etc.?

Mostly things like what your government's foreign policy is, and how its economy is structured, etc. Also, roughly how large and well-trained is your military, what units does it consist of, and more in that vein. You know, basic information about your country.

Foreign Policy: Nueve Italia has been a rather peaceful nation on the global scale, but it usually jumps into action when innocent life is threatened or ended. The policy usually bends towards the opinions of the people though: if they clamor for action, the government delivers. Usually.

Economy: Well, I guess you can always look at a calculator to see my government expenditures, so instead I'll break down where spending goes in my military branches. 23% of my budget goes towards defense, and that's $25,269,909,920,403.34. I'd say of that 23%, 7% goes to the Air Force, 6% goes to the Navy, 3% goes to the Army, 4% goes to Special Forces, and the remaining 3% goes to Homeland Defense.

Military: During peace time, my military is about 1.5-2% of my population (about 7 million strong), however, after reserves are called in, drafts as necessary, and conscripts are called to service, the military can contain about 10-13 million servicemen (3-4%).

Training for the regular army regiments is strict and demanding, however, most people are proud to serve the Imperial Republic now.

The Nueve Italian Republican Army (NIRA) is divided into 3 branches: The Honor Guard (deployed only on the homeland), The Oceano Esercito (Marines basically, literally "The Ocean Army"), and the Regulars. All are trained at about the same level, and are pretty competent against any force. Of course, there are separate divisions for Infantry, Mechanized Infantry, Armored Cavalry, Medical Units, and Artillery. Nueve Italian Armored Units include the Mk. II Inferno Light Strike Vehicle and Mk. III Serbatoio tank. The Mk. II Inferno is designed to be an APC and an infantry support vehicle, whereas the Mk. III Serbatoio serves as an MBT (The Mk. III is based off of the C1-Ariete MBT of the Italian Army [for specs on the C1, go here: Mk. III Serbatoio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariete), and the Mk. II is based off of the U.S. Army’s Stryker IAV [specs here: Mk. II Inferno (http://tech.military.com/equipment/view/88732/stryker-vehicle.html). When the Mk. II is used as a mobile hospital/medical unit, it is called the Mk. IIB Cielo ). Nueve Italian Infantry weapons have gotten an upgrade too: from the R-11 Collera (based loosely off of the M-14), the standard infantry weapon is now the R-22 Giavellotto (based on the Beretta AR-70/90 [specs here: R-22 Assault Rifle (http://www.geocities.com/yosemite/6144/70-90.htm)). Nueve Italian Infantry also use a form of the Land Warrior combat system to maximize small squadron efficiency and minimize infantry losses. In small 5-9 man groups, or even in an entire division of 25,000 men, the Nueve Italian infantry and NIRA itself is something to be feared and respected in battle.

The Nueve Italian Imperial Navy (NIIN, they've kept their name since the beginning of the Empire) is built for speed and air superiority. Fleets are built around carriers, and each fleet has at least 3 carriers. Defending them are usually destroyers, light corvettes, frigates, and arsenal ships. Dispersed throughout the fleet are battleships as well, and where they are present, they are powerful in ship-to-ship engagements, especially when combined with the strength of the carriers and destroyers. Submarines are invested in, but not widely used. The latest addition to the NIIN (used during the Bandurian war) are the Aeromars: underwater fighter planes. Sounds complicated and unfathomable, but its not, in fact, it's technology that's already in use, just not in the military. Aeromars are fast, agile, and while they don't have a large operational range, heavy armor, or a large weapon capacity, they can bring hell upon enemy subs and large ships, such as carriers and battleships. Also, with their agility and small size, depth charges can usually be easily avoided, although any hit to the cockpit will result in the death of the pilot. As well as a hit to the oxygen scrubber, power system, flaps, well. . .just about a direct hit anywhere will either make the craft inoperable or destroy it. The pilot has to rely upon his size and speed to avoid damage and complete his mission unscathed.

The Nueve Italian Republican Air Force and Republican Air Guard (NIRAF and NIRAG respectively) are the pride of the military. They consider their pilots the best of the best, and put them through extensive training in the cockpit and simulators. In order to graduate from a flight academy, a pilot must actually complete a serious of simulated missions and dogfights in a real plane (think TOPGUN program). The drop-out rate is almost 80% from the academies, but those that make it through are among the most promising fighter pilots since the Nueve Italian Civil War and the Great Southern Insurrection (historically, wars set 15 and 10 years ago). Equipment is not given a second thought: NIRAF pilots fly the best of the best, including Nueve Italian creations such as the NA-74 Spada (based upon the Saab JAS 39 Gripen [both Air Force and Naval versions]), AE-7 Furfante (based on the RAF Eurofighter Typhoon [both Air Force and Naval versions]), and the Y-3 Mezzaluna (based upon the Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II [both Air Force and Naval versions]). The Air Force is the pride of the military, however, when put up against some other nations’ air power, it can seem somewhat limited.

The Vestaglies Neres act in quite a few niches while just being one unit. They serve as regular infantry divisions (albeit, usually better trained/equipped), act as Special Forces (sabotage, information retrieval, etc.), are the Guards of the Republic (Elite Honor Guard, basically), and also serve as Marines as well. They are the best trained infantry regiments in Nueve Italia, however, they do NOT have their own branches of the Air Force or Navy: they rely upon them for transportation and aerial and naval assistance.

Well, that’s all I can think of right now, if there’s anything I left out or any questions, feel free to ask.

Also, just for trivia, the units I RP with the most (I guess they’re my most “combat-hardened”) are the 11th and 501st Vestaglies Neres, 104th NIRAF Tactical Fighter Squadron, the 9th NIRA Division, and the NIIN Salvatore Fleet. I want to bring up others in this RP due to the Bandurian war requiring a major shift in leadership and such.

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Of course I'll help bring Nueve Italia back! Just tell me what you need.

Hey Mondoth, haven't seen you around in ages!

Well, so far it appears I'm going to participate in the Czardaian Civil War, but perhaps we can form an Alliance? Sort of a defense pact between our nations (and any others that wish to join) so that a repitition of the Nueve-Bandurian War doesn't happen again. I'm still open to any suggestions as well.

well, I'm about to do interesting and terrible things to Mondoth and having some old allies come to our aid would be nice, after which of course A mutualy defense pact would be lovely

Hmm, it'd be spreading myself thin to send two military divisions abroad, but. . . I can manage. Either that or I can send an elite military branch to aid your current government . . . <_< >_> . . .

OOC: Sorry, military aid won't be necesary. You'll see ;)
I'll try and get this thing started next week or the week after and send you a link.

Well NI, what do you say to my idea?

Well, so far as I said, I'm going to join the Czardas RP, but afterwards (or during, or before. . .) I just might want to move to Greater Dienstad . . . is there a password or anything, or can I just move there?

You can simply move there with the click of a button. Then you're free to join the War of Golden Succession.

Ok then, done. Thanks for telling me about the region, but I don't have much time for a post right now, I'll probably post later (probably). Thanks

. . .methinks Czardas has forgotten about this. . .

so uncaring. . .

Why not join A Passion Play to compensate for that? You'd have to ask the other players about that though.

. . .methinks Czardas has forgotten about this. . .

so uncaring. . .

I have not forgotten... I'm waiting for Doomingsland to post in our war thread, so I can post, so he can post again, (etc.) until such time as I've finished the five initial posts for my civil war RP, when we can get that started. That and I'm in the process of figuring out which colleges I should apply to as soon as I'm capable of normal human interaction again. -_-

In the meantime feel free to get involved in other things, depending on Doom it may take a while, as he's known for ... taking awhile to post ... ditto Questers and the other people I'm involved with now.