NationStates Jolt Archive

IC: The year 2007 brought about the beginning of a turn of events that would create a century locked with turmoil. The 21st century saw the greatest conflict ever to strike the planet, with innumerable smaller conflicts. The world also saw a turn away from all the small countries that dotted the glode; instead, the 21st century brought forward several large groups of nations together by force or by cooperation in giant unions or empires. Finally, by the end of the century, a new frontier was finally beginning to open up: space.
Here is a basic timeline of how the 21st century was orchestrated:

2007: Due to pressure from a Democratically-controlled Congress, American President Bush begins pullout of US troops from Iraq.
2007: Iraqi civil war begins with lessening US troop numbers.
Late 2007: Israeli probe discovers Syrian funding of Iraqi seperatist movement.
Early 2008: Terror leader Osama bin Laden is captured by American commandos in Pakistan.
Late 2008: In a narrow presidential election, Republican John McCain wins the race over Democrat Mark Warner.
2009: Taiwanese president is sniped by a Chinese-born assassin. China publically denies all involvement.
2009: Russia begins sale of aging weapons, aircraft, and mechanized armor to Lebanon and Syria. Russia ignores the outcries of the European Union and publically announces itself seperate from Europe.
Late 2009: Argentina, Brazil, Russia begin restocking and renovating military.
2010: A rash of suicide bombings hit Israel's Tel Aviv. Israel launches American-lauded war on terror.
2010: Israel launches invasion of Lebanon, announcing that suicide bombings have had Lebanese origin according to spy network.
Late 2010: Lebanon drives a counter-offensive against Israeli invading divisions, striking and driving them nearly to the border with Russian weaponry, and successfully striking the Israeli naval blockade with bombing runs.
Early 2011: Lebanon-Israel War ends.
Early 2011: America begins first transitions to political international semi-isolation.
2011: The American Wall, along the Mexico-America border, is formed.
2012: After three years of study, Russia digs up evidence that Chinese government sources hired the assassin who killed the Taiwanese president. Tensions flare between both sides.
Early 2013: NATO is disbanded.
2013: Argentina and Brazil sign a mutual-defense pact.
2013: The Republic of Quebec breaks from Canada, achieving independence.
2014: Korea is united under the Peninsular Accords, negotiated by Japanese and American diplomats.
2014: Korea, America, Canada, and Japan sign the Pacific Rim Treaty, providing assistance and favor to each other.
2014: Chinese dive bombers "accidently" destroy a Russian cruiseliner. Russia demands reperations, which China does not give.
Late 2014: The Sino-Russian Cold War begins with a massive rearmament plan issued by both Russia and China.
2018: China strong-arms Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos into joining a China-led coalition dubbed the Pan-Asian Coalition (PAC).
2019: On a fabricated charge, the PAC declares war on Taiwan. Russia sends aid and weapons to finance Taiwan's military.
Late 2019: Taiwan wins the pivotal Battle of Formosa Strait against the PAC's naval forces. Taiwan launches firebombing campaign of industrial Manchuria.
Late 2019: The PAC pays off Japan and Korea to prevent their intervention, then threatens to nuke Taiwan, stalling the Taiwanese military enough for the PAC to launch an invasion of the island nation.
2020: With the tide turned, the PAC's sheer manpower advantage marches the PAC army straight to the gates of the Taiwanese capital. The Taiwanese surrender.
2020: The UN is disbanded.
2020: Taiwan is added to the PAC. Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam are absorbed by China.
2020: Russia officially condemns the PAC, saying the nation will "stop at nothing" to prevent the PAC's growth.
2022: The UK leaves the EU. The EU is now mostly run by France and Germany.
2025: Argentina and Brazil abruptly launch an invasion of Paraguay and Uruguay as international attention is focused on Russia and the PAC. The invasion is quick and bloody, the Paraguayan and Uruguayan militarys slaughtered. Uruguay is absorbed by Argentina, Paraguay by Brazil.
2025: Chile, Peru, Bolivia, Ecuador, Venezuela, Colombia, Guyana, and Surinam form the Free South American League (FSAL). French Guyana voluntarily is absorbed by Brazil.
2026-2028: The Aerospace Engineering War. Russian Engineering giant Sukhoi merges with Tupolev, then absorbs Mikoyan. American corporation Lockheed-Martin absorbs Northrop-Grumman. Airbus disbands after a number of "work-related accidents", combined with the production of a Boeing model airliner that utilizes identical designs to a prototypical Airbus model.
2026: The PAC abruptly invades Mongolia. The Mongolian government capitulates in three days of PAC invasion. The PAC border now runs directly across the Russian border.
2026: Due to the invasion, Russian president Mikael Shevchenko declares emergency powers for himself for safety and security.
2028: Argentina attacks Bolivia. When FSAL forces come to the aid of member nation Bolivia, Brazil attacks on the unmanned northern border. Bolivia falls in a matter of months, split between Argentina and Brazil.
2030: China absorbs Myanmar. India counters by absorbing Thailand. India stuns the world by signing a Non-aggression pact with Pakistan.
2033: Shevchenko announces himself President-for-life of Russia, met with enthusiastic applause. He announces the return of the Russian Soviet Federated Socialist Republic (RSFSR).
2034: A relatively unknown leader from Liberia, Ndukwe Kaluti, begins the invasion of Sierra Leone, following his "divine dream" of a United Songhai Empire.
2034: Kaluti signs peace accords with another African tyrant, Udale Kiwanade of Angola. The two leaders agree to unify Africa under their commands.
2034: Spain and Turkey leave the EU. Europe's unity is slowly collapsing, beyond the notice of the blissfully ignorant France and Germany.
2035: Promising prosperity, the RSFSR absorbs Kazakhstan, Turkistan, Tajikastan, Azerbaijan, Georgian, and Uzbekistan. When Kyrgastan refuses to follow, the RSFSR launches an invasion.
Late 2035: RSFSR razes the Kyrgastan capital. The Kyrgastan people are expelled from their homeland as the RSFSR move other Russian people into the captured land. The EU responds with economic sanctions, RSFSR ignores.
2035-2050: The Fifteen Years of Silence: the PAC and RSFSR build up without any noticeable conflict. The African rulers continue to quietly eat up countries, while the EU loses the Balkan countries of Montenegro, Serbia, Albania, and Macedonia. South America is oddly quiet.
2051: The world explodes when Brazil declares war on its former ally Argentina. The PAC and RSFSR are quick to pick sides (PAC with Brazil, RSFSR with Argentina). America comes out of its hole and declares support and defense of the FSAL during this time.
2051: Argentina makes the first move, bombing Sao Paulo, Brazil. Brazil responds with a ground attack on the Brazilian-Argentinean border on what was once Uruguay.
2051-2056: Brazil-Argentina war rages, with no real country on top.
2056: With a naval battle near the Falkland Islands, Argentina's new RSFSR-supplied Su-44 attack fighter proves itself as carrier-based Su-44s wipe out two Brazilian carrier groups. The Brazilian navy is crippled.
2056: With the enemy reeling, Argentina launches renewed attacks into Brazil along the coastline, bolstered by naval attacks and air superiority. Brazil is forced into a surrender when Sao Paulo is captured.
2057: Brazil is forced to surrender all of formed Bolivia and Paraguay to Argentina in exchange for peace. Brazil is left reeling from war while Argentina emerges a superpower, along with the RSFSR. The PAC loses this Cold-War skirmish.
2058: Kiwanade of Angola dies, leaving a power vacuum of the Angolan empire. He is replaced by his 21-year old grandnephew when the dust settles, Adawale Tulaye.
2058: Kaluti, meanwhile, has extended the Songhai empire to include Liberia, Sierra Leone, the Ivory Coast, Togo, Ghana, Benin, Burkino Faso, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Senegal, the Gambia, Mali, Niger, Nigeria, Mauritania, Chad, Cameroon, and Equatorial Guinea. Songhai is huge, and a powerful African nation.
2058: The Angolan Empire contains at this point Angola, both Congos, Gabon, Zambia, Namibia, the CAR, Zimbabwe, and Mozambique. Angola and Songhai control more than half of Africa as a whole. Both empires recognize the sovereignty of South Africa.
2060: United Indiastan is formed to counteract the increasing pressure of the RSFSR and PAC. United Indiastan came together from the rebuilt Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, and Sri Lanka.
2062: Malaysia and Indonesia join the PAC. Asia, accept for Singapore, Japan, Korea, and the remaining Arabian nations and those on the Mediterranean, is now solely dominated by the RSFSR, PAC, and United Indiastan.
2062: American scientists revolutionize and produce the first field-capable military-grade energy weapon for the US military, a laser designed for missile-interception. This comes in conjunction with the CVX carrier class for the US navy, capable of carrying over 150 combat aircraft, and the F-28 Thunderstrike interceptor. A huge boon to the American military.
2064: RSFSR and PAC engineers follow up with energy weapon development for basic use.
2069: Israel declares war on Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan after an Arab-sponsered terror cell is discovered in Israel. Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and Oman form the massive Middle East Coalition (MEC) to fight back and try to destroy the Israeli nation once and for all. RSFSR and America put support in for Israel while the PAC supports the MEC.1
2069: MEC and PAC sign Mutual Defense Treaty.
Late 2069: Battle of Jerusalem: Outside the gates of the Holy City, Israeli forces, with the new American MT-5 Battle Tank and Russian Su-45 attack planes, hold off a massive MEC army, outnumbered 25-1.
2070: Israel launches campaign against Jordan. Egypt joins the MEC and attacks Israel's vulnerable southern front.
2070: Israel home guard forces hold off wave after wave of Egyptian attacks on the Southern front, another victory for the Jewish state against near-impossible odds.
2070: Israel launches a second invasion, this time into Egypt, to coincide with the Jordan invasion as Israeli forces hold off Syrian tank brigades at Golan Heights.
Early 2071: Battle of Alexandria: Israeli forces emerge victorious again with American and Russian weaponry over the Chinese-made Egyption weapons, occupying Alexandria.
Early 2072: Arabian Peace Accords. The MEC signs peace with Israel, giving up Sinai to the Israelis from Egypt and paying hefty reperations.
2073: The PAC, angered with the latest RSFSR victory, turns the Cold War hot. After more than 60 years of Cold War, the PAC declares all out war on the RSFSR, striking inroads into Kamchatka to launch the war.
2073: The RSFSR responds by launching an attack into western China, driving a massive tank force followed by over two million infantry.
2074: Argentina once again plays the villain, launching an attack after almost 18 years of peace in South America, this time on Chile. Chile holds for some time, but requires FSAL assistance.
2075: Argentina plows through several FSAL armies near Puerto Mott.
2075: Battle of Gomud. RSFSR forces annihilate PAC defenses near this western Chinese city, razing the urban area and smashing through the countryside. PAC forces are stymied by RSFSR forces in Mongolia from attacking Siberia.
2076: President Sean Cochrane declares America's isolation over. American forces enter Chile near Santiago to defend the capital.
2076: Battle of Ulaanbaatar. RSFSR forces are halted on their northern invasion corridor at a loss of 800,000 RSFSR forces to PAC biological weaponry. The RSFSR responds by bombing the old Mongolian capital with chemical warheads in cruise missiles.
2076: American scientists unviel the newest engine for Earth-Moon and Earth-Mars transit attempts, reducing travel times by a quarter.
2076: Battle of Santiago: American forces crush an Argentinean assault force trying to take the Chilean capital city, squelching the backbone of the Argentinean invasion.
2077: Battle of Xi'an: PAC forces are continuously driven back farther east to the RSFSR juggernaut.
2077: The Songhai expansion finally is stopped at Morrocco. Nake Kaluti, new ruler of Songhai, establishes that the empire is complete. Songhai has added the Western Sahara Province to their empire and Sudan.
2077: Battle of Buenos Aires. American forces initiate a 24-hour bombing policy of the Argentinean capital, spreading into the northern Argentinean countryside and beseiging the capital. Argentina sues for peace.
Late 2077: Argetina signs peace with the FSAL. Bolivia and Paraguay are given independence again, and join the FSAL.
2078: Orbital Bombers of the PAC hit St. Petersburg, RSFSR, with Anthrax bombs. 3,500 civilians die from the attack.
2078: RSFSR responds in kind. Hong Kong is hit with nerve gas, killing 10,200 civilians.
2078: Macedonia, Montenegro, Greece, Turkey, Albania, Serbia, Croatia, and Moldova form the Ottoman Confederation.
2078: Second Battle of Xi'an. PAC forces make a desperate stab to hit the RSFSR forward command base at Xi'an with chemical warheads, but the commanders of the forward armies are not in the city at the time of the attack. 12,000 civilians are killed, along with 2,200 RSFSR soldiers. A massive battle ensues outside of the city, the PAC combined armor brigades unable to make a move against the massive prototype Energy Artillery Cannons of the RSFSR army. PAC takes heavy losses before retreating, though PAC commandos manage to lace the water of Xi'an with biological weapons. 460 RSFSR soldiers die from water contamination.
2079: Indiastan takes up the fight against the PAC. Indiastan soldiers move through Thailand, easily overcoming the lightly defended country in a month of continuous fighting.
2080: The Ragnarok Year. The RSFSR, PAC, and Indiastan are ravaged by enemy strikes of biological and chemical weaponry on major cities. Moscow, St. Petersburg, Volgograd, New Delhi, Islamabad, Kabul, Beijing, Hong Kong, Bangkok, Hanoi, and Shaghai are all hit with major attacks. Over 4 million civilians die from contamination and disease. A smallpox bomb detonated in Bishkek, RSFSR, ,proceeds to launch a smallpox epidemic, killing 1.4 million civilians alone in the Kyrga FSR.
2081: The Angolan expansion is completed, under ruler Nade Pawue. Angola has added Uganda, Malawi, Tanzania, Kenya, and Ethiopia.
2081: RSFSR forces move in on Hong Kong and Beijing, devestating the countryside as they go. Indiastan troops move through Cambodia and Laos.
Late 2081: After more than 8 years of fighting, the PAC finally capitulates to the seemingly-unstoppable RSFSR forces.
Early 2082: Moderated by Australian, Korean, Japanese, EU, UK, and American diplomats, the Asia Prosperity Pact is completed. The PAC surrenders Mongolia to the RSFSR, and Bhutan, Bangledesh, and Nepal to Indiastan. The war is finally over, but PAC hatred of the RSFSR and now Indiastan still smolders. The pact states that the PAC cannot hold over a 100,000-man military for ten years, but PAC underground groups begin forming to bolster the PAC's numbers.
2083: The European Fragmentation. The EU is shaken badly by the breakup of European unity from Europe's lack of anything during the Great Eastern War. Bulgaria, Cyprus, Bosnia/Herzegovinia, Romania, and Slovenia join the Ottoman Confederation. The RSFSR gobbles up Ukraine and Belorus. Up north, Finland, Norway, Sweden, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Iceland form the North Atlantic Defense Alliance (NADA).
2084: The Carribean Nations and Latin America forms El Nacion de Latinos Unidos, the United Latino Nation (ULN). Mexico does not join, however.
2086: The world finishes its transition to less, stronger nationswhen Australia merges with New Zealand, South America accumulates Madagascar and Lesotho, and Spain, Morocco, Portugal, Algeria, Tunisia, and Libya form the Iberian Dominion. Eritrea, Djibouti, and Somalia join the MEC. The EU is now formed of France, Ireland, Germany, Austria, the Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, Switzerland, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Slovakia, Italy, Monaco, Denmark, and Andorra.
2087: The US forms the first Moon Colony: New Washington, in the Sea of Tranquility.
2088: The PAC and RSFSR begin work on rebuilding both their space programs.
2090: The UK buys out Greenland from Denmark.
Early 2093: America completes the Harmony Space Station in orbit of Earth, a massive complex to assist in space travel for the launching of manned missions to Mars and extended robot missions to the moons of Titan and Europa.
2093: The RSFSR completes an operational station, slightly smaller Harmony: the S-1.
2096: The RSFSR establishes New Moscow in the Sea of Rain as the PAC completes its first space station, Zedong.
2097: America completes its first round-trip manned mission to Mars.
2099: The EU, Argentina, and Japan begin work on manned space programs to the moon.
2100: Birth of the 22nd Century, modern day. America stands on the brink of a new presidential election.

OOC: This RP will be the course of the 22nd Century, how these nations that are now almost all powers by their own right interact, fight, and deal with the questions that abound. Technology has advanced, of course, but not to the point of Space fighters and attacking sattelites and the like. Lasers are still rarely-used weapons deployed only by the most powerful nations, and certainly not able to be carried by infantry, generally reserved for bulky artillery pieces or defensive positions. Conventional weapons, such as missiles, bullets, and bombs, still dominate.
As for global standing, one could probaly make an even claim for both America, having developed greatly during its isolation years, and the RSFSR to have the strongest spot. One could also make a case for the PAC, even after the grave defeat in the war, they are bouncing back. The EU has been crippled by so many losses, though still remains powerful, while Indiastan, Argentina, Brazil, Japan, and Korea are all very powerful in their own rights. The other groups are strong, but not to the contender level yet.
As for space, America and the RSFSR are the only nations with Moon colonies. Those and the PAC have space stations. America is the only nation yet to have made a successful manned Mars mission. With Argentina, Japan, and the EU developing higher-echelon space programs, one could expect them to find luck in space soon as well.

With the overview all said and done, here's the positions we'll need for the RP.

America: The PeoplesFreedom
Russian Soviet Federated Socialist Republic (RSFSR): Red Tide 2
Pan-Asian Coalition (PAC): Amazonian Beasts
European Union (EU): Wanderjar
United Indiastan: Commonalitarianism
Japan: Otagia
Argentina:
Korea: Otagia
Brazil: Amazonian Beasts
Israel:
Australia: Waldenburg 2
Free South American League (FSAL): Candistan
Iberian Dominion: Philanchez
Ottoman Confederacy: Commonalitarianism
Songhai Empire: No Taxes
Imperial Angola: Old Atlantia
South Africa: No Taxes
Middle East Coalition (MEC): Blackledge
Mexico: Candistan
Nacion de Latinos Unidos (NLU):
Canada:
Quebec: Those Wierd People
North Atlantic Defense Alliance (NADA): Alutia
United Kingdom (UK): Waldenberg 2

The International (Terror Faction):Old Atlantia


Important Links:
Official PAC Statement on the Future (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11773612#post11773612)
A New Empire (UK) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11779885#post11779885)
UCMS (Mexico) Arms Fair (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11786079#post11786079)
American Expedition to Mars, Round 2 (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=502839)


First-come, first-serve basis. No NPC-nations until no one else signs up, in which case those with the weakest nations will get first pick if they want one. I'll probaly be taking a nation, but since I created this RP, I'll wait to see what is not wanted before making a selection myself (I won't take a power).
And without further ado, who's interested?

Sounds fun, America or Isreal please

Added for America

Eh, what the heck. Dibs on Japan.

question: For this, are we looking at like , BF 2142 tech? as like an example?

Yeah nice timeline, if possible I would like the Songhai Empire.

Edit: Here is the Map (http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/1072/22ndcenturymb0.png) and the Songhai Empire Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=501857).

question: For this, are we looking at like , BF 2142 tech? as like an example?

Pretty good example. Here's a layover of basic weaponry of the era:
Hovertech isn't developed yet, but as the 22C develops, it could (depending on how the storyline runs) become a factor. Energy weapons are very limited, to artillery or fixed batteries only. Conventional weapons still dominate, but are getting more and more powerful.
The infantry weapons for BF2142 would be a pretty good fix, they describe pretty much similar traits to what would happen in this scenario.
As for the mechanized units, also a fairly good base. Walkers are VERY expiramental right now, and robotics is also not much of a factor. Tanks are still rolling the battlefield on treads or wheels, but still rule the mechanized world.
Air, helicopters vary from advanced models of modern helo design to directionalized movement (such as side-mounted rotors, facing down to propel them.) Aircraft can reach higher altitudes and operate well in them, yet still move faster with better stealth capabilities (while nations still develop better detection abilities).
On the seas, naval designers are cramming more and stronger weapons onto still-efficiently sized designs. Carriers can carry more in such innovations as interior and upper flight decks, cruisers fit massive gun turrets alongside VLS cruise missile launchers, while frigates and patrol ships cruise at faster and faster speeds while delivering powerful payloads.
Space warfare is non-existant as of yet, but as the storyline develops, with more nations achieving space-capabilities (as with Argentina's, EU's, and Japan's programs), space warfare should become a necesity eventually.
Nuclear weapons are all but nonexistant, but chemical weaponry and biological weapons are still in consistent use. However, as chemical and bio weapons grow more potent, so do defenses, cures, antidotes, and the like to protect against such attacks as occured during the Great Eastern War.
Satellites have not been developed to the point of firing orbital weaponry, but with the construction of massive stations such as America's Harmony, the space stations may soon be weapon-capable.
A lot is open to choice and flexibility. IE, Sukhoi-Tupolev and Lockheed Martin by this time have had plenty of time to update, renovate, and rethink all sorts of new plans for the future of air warfare.

Sounds good! I guess we'll wait for more members.

Sounds good! I guess we'll wait for more members.

Yup, I'm gonna give it a decent enough time to fill all (or as many as possible) slots, then we can go from there.

One question, is nuclear fusion power viable for commercial use?

As in power reactors, yes. Not a viable source of energy for such things as a carrier, though.

I'll take NADA if you don't mind.

hopefully America can make a viable one for spaceships ;)

Added, Alutia.

And currently, PeoplesFreedom, America is the frontrunner amongst the countries in the Second Space Race. However, the PAC will come back strong likely from its post-war era, while the RSFSR continues to make a case.

:d

Bump

Bump

QFT

No interest? Seriously, this has enormous potential.

I'm interested in the EU

I'll take the RSFSR...

I'll take the RSFSR...

Atlantia! I haven't seen you around since the Civil War RP!

I would like to be the Ottoman Confederacy. Would it be possible to do diplomacy and subterfuge as well. I would like to try and get Italy and Czechoslavakia to join us through political and economic manipulation. I would also like to try to get some of the stans to try and separate from the RSFR and join the Ottoman confederation. One of my first goals would be to get North Africa to join the Ottoman Confederation and split off from the MEC as well.

Amazonian Beasts- I have a question for you...

While I know which direction I want to take the RSFSR, I need help with numbers:

What would the RSFSR population be?

What would be a fair military (#s of troops, tanks, ships, planes ect) ? (Consider that the RSFSR will be a highly militarized police state)

Thanks for your time.

Amazonian Beasts- I have a question for you...

While I know which direction I want to take the RSFSR, I need help with numbers:

What would the RSFSR population be?

What would be a fair military (#s of troops, tanks, ships, planes ect) ? (Consider that the RSFSR will be a highly militarized police state)

Thanks for your time.
I was able to work out a population for the Songhai Empire, so if you want my help and Amazonian Beasts agrees I could come up with a population for you based on what territories you hold.

Edit: I would think a reasonable population for the RSFSR would be ~250 million, pending approval by Amazonian Beasts.

Whoa, No Taxes was pretty dang close...I was estimating 280 million based on Russian growth rate, combined with the introduction of new territories from old sovereign countries (IE the Stans, Azerbaijan), then coupled with severe wartime loss.
Between 250-300 million would work well.

@ Commonalitarianism: Subterfuge and Diplomacy are certanly allowed, but since so far we have a EU player, you do still have to work around him. If we get an MEC player, likewise, you'll have to work around. If you can play it right, you may be able to win all those.

Whoa, No Taxes was pretty dang close...I was estimating 280 million based on Russian growth rate, combined with the introduction of new territories from old sovereign countries (IE the Stans, Azerbaijan), then coupled with severe wartime loss.
Between 250-300 million would work well.

@ Commonalitarianism: Subterfuge and Diplomacy are certanly allowed, but since so far we have a EU player, you do still have to work around him. If we get an MEC player, likewise, you'll have to work around. If you can play it right, you may be able to win all those.

I'll be glad to RP something like that when the RP begins (I'm the EU player)

Well, I gotta ask. Which nation would be the least intensive? I know all of them are going to be pretty extreme, but in your opinion, which would be the least complicated? That isn't taken yet I mean.






ADDED: Actually, I'll take Quebec if that's ok.

MEC... also, why no nukes? I didnt see anything in the storyline about them being scrapped.

What would a good population for Japan be? As far as I can tell, they haven't been involved in any wars, so no losses there, but I'll be damned if I can figure out population growth without a decent calculator.

Same question as above but for Quebec. Also, what is Quebec's standing in all of this? Canada and Quebec kind of disappeared off the global map after they split up.

It's Canada. How often are they actually on the global map? ;)

Well, I'd still like to know where they stand. I mean, even Peru has had some major crap happen to it here. Who ever hears about peru unless you live there?

What would a good population for Japan be? As far as I can tell, they haven't been involved in any wars, so no losses there, but I'll be damned if I can figure out population growth without a decent calculator.
According to Wikipedia the population of Japan is "expected to drop to 100 million by 2050, and to 64 million by 2100," though this is somewhat extreme so I think somewhere between 64 million and 100 million would be reasonable. Though, like I told Atlantia ask Amazonian Beasts.

Same question as above but for Quebec.
Using Quebecs current population and its current growth rate I would estimate ~15 million people.

Edit: Also, Amazonian Beasts, how does a population around 944 million sound for the Songhai Empire? And has the cure for aids been found, since that will have a large impact on my history?

According to Wikipedia the population of Japan is "expected to drop to 100 million by 2050, and to 64 million by 2100," though this is somewhat extreme so I think somewhere between 64 million and 100 million would be reasonable. Though, like I told Atlantia ask Amazonian Beasts.

Personally, I can't really see their population falling that drastically. While I doubt they'd ever open their borders to wide-spread immigration, birth incentives seem a rather likely solution, which Wiki also mentions. Still, as you said, I'l ask AB.

Personally, I can't really see their population falling that drastically. While I doubt they'd ever open their borders to wide-spread immigration, birth incentives seem a rather likely solution, which Wiki also mentions. Still, as you said, I'l ask AB.
Yeah, as long as you mention something about birth incentives in your history I could easily see Japan's population staying around modern day levels.

I hate to do this, but I think that in order to be fair Ill have to drop out of the RSFSR spot... it's too big a player and I cannot commit enough time/effort to do it justice.

I would, however, consider playing as an international crime and/or terrorist organization... if you would consider allowing me to RP something like that Ill definately stay involved. If not, I'll take Imperial Angola.

Sorry

I'm sure this was mentioned and I just missed it but what is the UK's position in 2100? If possibly I'd Rp as them, if not I would enjoy unified Korea.

For general reference I made a map (http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/6903/22ndcenturyzv2.png) showing all the countries in different colors based on what the timeline said. I believe it is correct and the only countries I was unsure were Botswana, Poland, Madagascar and the Philippines.

I'm sure this was mentioned and I just missed it but what is the UK's position in 2100? If possibly I'd Rp as them, if not I would enjoy unified Korea.
I believe the UK is a prosperous nation, though not that powerful. They aren't part of any major faction and have remained relatively quiet lately. Greenland was purchased from Denmark.

To answer as many questions as possible:

Red Tide: No nukes because they still have extreme destructive power, and are a little bit on the overkill side. They haven't been as used over the past as Chemical and Bio weapons additionally (as in the Great Eastern War). Though Chemo and Bio weapons are destructive to the Nth degree, they allow a lot more room for advancement and interest. Nukes are kind of basic.

Those Wierd People: Quebec is an under-the-radar country right now, much like Canada, Australia, and the (I forgot-to-list) UK. They aren't as noticed, meaning they will be able to probaly launch some programs that will go unnoticed (that will likely compensate for other areas, being one of the weaker nations).

No Taxes: I was thinking Around a billion for Songhai (I mean, it's huge), but 944 could work well, to include a lot of war-time casulties, not to mention Africa's growing, yet still somewhat lagging, technology base.

No Taxes: Madagascar and Botswana listed w/South Africa (it's in there somewhere). Phillipines would be a great breeder ground for Atlantia's crime/terror group, since they really are a non-existant nation at this point. New Zealand I thought I listed with Australia...
Poland is with the EU, though I may have forgotten to list them as well... Good map, though, Quebec seperated from Canada and I can't really see any problems.

Otagia: 80-90 million would work well for Japan, considering how they're moving isolationist already in RL, and really disappear from the international stage along w/Korea and the Aussies.

For now, I think the terror organization will be called simply, "The International." I will post more info for your approval later tonight AB.

Here (http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6514/22ndcenturyzj9.png) is an updated map, with Quebec crudely drawn in.

thats Pro!

thats Pro!
Thanks.

Also I made a timeline for the Songhai Empire and was wondering whether or not to post it on this thread or create a Songhai factbook thread to put it in.

On second thought, since it is open, I will take the RSFSR, instead of MEC.

Otagia: 80-90 million would work well for Japan, considering how they're moving isolationist already in RL, and really disappear from the international stage along w/Korea and the Aussies.
OK, fine with me I suppose. More than enough for my purposes anyway. *begins scheming for a return to Japanese Imperialism*

So, since we seem to have an expert in the house (:D ) what do you imagine the population of NADA would be around now. (Bear in mind the increasing immigration into nations such as Norway, and that I intend for there to have been a boom in immigration into NADA, the Scandinavian states in particular.)

Something to keep in mind- For my terror organization to work, Im going to need some corrupt high level politians or military men in some major countries. I know this is alot to ask for, but let me just say that I want to make this RP more interesting and fun, and dont actually want to "win"... in fact I expect to lose. So if any of you could offer positions that could be corrupt in your countries, it'd help me in designing my terror network. Thanks alot.

So, since we seem to have an expert in the house (:D ) what do you imagine the population of NADA would be around now. (Bear in mind the increasing immigration into nations such as Norway, and that I intend for there to have been a boom in immigration into NADA, the Scandinavian states in particular.)
Depending on how much immigration you want to account for in the Scandinavian states and depending on how much population loss there will be in the Baltic States, I would estimate around ~31.8 million people. That accounts for a moderate amount of immigration and a small population loss in the Baltic states.

Something to keep in mind- For my terror organization to work, Im going to need some corrupt high level politians or military men in some major countries. I know this is alot to ask for, but let me just say that I want to make this RP more interesting and fun, and dont actually want to "win"... in fact I expect to lose. So if any of you could offer positions that could be corrupt in your countries, it'd help me in designing my terror network. Thanks alot.
You could corrupt a few of my Generals or a few members of my Imperial Senate.

You're welcome to corrupt a few politicians in my Baltic states.

And thanks a bunch NT.

Since the Baltics aren't all that active in war, but seeing as Europe is losing some from emigration (due to lack of activity and fragmentation), combined with the Baltics as an indepedent Union: 32-36 million, somewhere in that range (Norway+Sweden most of that).

I also had another question. How far is genetic research? Because I was thinking since Quebec is a bit unnoticed, I could possibly have some genetic alteration project nearing completion or something along those lines, but I wanted to make sure that something like that would even be feasible.

That's a bit too far thinking, if you're considering changing the human genome. I usually save that for FT stuff. Cloning has advanced, but nowhere near the Grand Army of the Republic from Star Wars. You could begin a program, or have one already started, but it'll still take more time to produce applicable results.

Well, yeah, I dont mean like an entire military of super soldiers, I was talking more like the possibility for a mutant or something that goes wrong or maybe a small commando group. Or something like that. And what kind of government is Quebec? Just a standard republic?

@A.Beasts: Is there anything you want me to or suggest I include in my terror faction? Anything I should know before writing anything?

FYI
The International's ultimate goals are murky, but they seem to want to de-stabilize the world as it is, creating chaos- and a vaccum in which they can seize total power. They publicly preach a radical form of liberal socialism combined with a vague psuedo-religion. They have gained a considerable following in the third world for obvious reasons, but also have a following in the free world due to the abundance of their propaganda on the interlink (future internet?). They also have heavy corporate ties, distribute drugs, and deal weapons freely.

oh and what abou Cyborgs/ power suits

Are things advanced enough to have Mechanized Infantry. Basically mechanized infantry would be a light strength multiplying exoskeleton with armor that could sport heavy weapons-- rocket launchers capable of knocking out planes or light and medium tanks, flamethrowers, miniguns. Not full mechs.

A thought about the nukes. There is something called Pico Tech or nuclear dampers, basically an unidentified party could have released self replicating nanites designed to stop fusion or fission reactions in nukes during the initial exchange of the PAC RSFSR war preventing a global nuclear exchange. This might also shut down most of the nuclear power plants as well.

Cyborgs, possibly, but nothing spectacular, and I wouldn't right at the beginning.

About the nuke jammers, it could be a research option. If people want nukes, I'll open them up.

Quebec is a democracy, like Canada.

The terror group can be well-open ended. Be creative.

A mutant accident would be fine, something to cause intrigue.

Full mechs are on the way to becoming reality, already light manned walkers exist (powerful, but rare+expensive). Mechanized infatry would equal the elites, heavy infantry of the army to supplement the grunts. Groups like the MEC probaly couldn't afford them in mass numbers like the PAC, RSFSR, Indiastan, and America could.

Oh lord, not mecha... Power armor fine, but do we really need to get into the whole mecha-vs-tank argument?

On the cyber topic: Personally, I'd be in favor of it. After all, it's pretty much already feasible in modern times. We can make limbs that feed sensory data into their user, I'd think that in a hundred years we'd have advanced a nice bit. Of course, it'd be expensive as all hell for MilSpec cyber, making it rare except in elite units like the Seals, SAS or SAT, but I'd think that it'd still be readily available.

On the nukes topic: Considering the general issues with fossil fuels, I think getting rid of nuke plants as well is just plain silly, especially with pseudoscience like the nuke jammers. On that subject, what's happened to the world's oil supply? I'd think it'd seriously effect Indiastan and the Ottoman Confederacy. After all, without the major influx of money into the region, things would probably go downhill for (former) countries such as Iran. Any comment there?

I agree with Otagia whole heartedly on both accounts. Firstly mechs don't tend to be effective in combat...ever. And secondly, nano-bots really can't opperate in an open environment, anything stronger then a light breese disperses them past communications range, effectively killing them.

Also on the topic of nukes, how about neutron bombs?

Nuke supply is still in such things as Fusion Reactors (but not fusion bombs, yet). Oil isn't as precious a commodity, and is practically depleted anyway. Indiastan and the MEC subside through local trade, tourism, and export of other materials and productions. India itself is more modernized, allowing for manufacturing trades.

On the topic of mechs, my definition of a mech is a manned armor walker unit, not some ungodly-powerful thing. Advantages and disadvantages. Tanks still are very feasible and useful.

The cyborg is an elite thing, still more of a project. Expensive.

Neutron bombs I have admittably not thought about, though I'd say them likely more to develop than further revert to fission nuclear weaponry

Why wouldnt we have Fusion Bombs? The first fusion device(AKA: Hydrogen Bomb) was detonated in the 50s. Obviously, a majority of the worlds strategic nuclear arsenal consists of fusion weapons.

Because they're not much in use. It's not like nowadays, where nukes are everywhere. Bio weapons and Chemo weapons have replaced nukes as the WMDs of choice. Nukes fall out of favor, it'll take more time to build up some nuclear weapons to attack with. Nuclear power is everywhere, nuclear weapons first need to be rebuilt. They've been phased out of service.

Question, has cancer etc been cured?
Also, can we have underwater bases?

Underwater is in the works, put a bit of research (ie, hint: Use the space tech, it'll work the same way) and you could produce a very workable water colony/city.
Of course, there'd be certain risks, but there's the possibility to overcome those.
Cancer been cured? AIDS, yes, due to increased medical breakthroughs, but cancer has many twists, it's not "cured". On the depression, very much so.

Of course, undersea bases tend to have the same problems as space bases. IE, even a glancing hit is going to screw you over big time. Viva la depth charge!

Hm....
Whatever happendend to the GWOT?

Of course, undersea bases tend to have the same problems as space bases. IE, even a glancing hit is going to screw you over big time. Viva la depth charge!

Big thing there. An underwater base will be very vulnerble, unless you can devise a way to counteract that base weakness (hey, one puncture: flood).

GWOT: Israel picks it up in '09, then comes to a halt with the Lebanon 2nd war ending.

, though I'd say them likely more to develop than further revert to fission nuclear weaponry

Uh... could you rephrase that? I didn't quite follow.

I never quite realized it would end so quick xD

Would rail gun technology be available. I am thinking of the DDX destroyer 155 mm railgun which would be deployed around 2030 as well as railgun anti-missile batteries.

I would not think of mechs as going into direct combat, but might consider them as a form of long range mobile artillery that could position itself in hard to get places, mountaintops, etc.

I was thinking of more powered armor not designed to face tanks but chew up supply lines-- hummers and regular infantry. Infantry killers. Also they might be excellent rangefinding, with all the electronics onboard, calling in artillery fire.

As far as nuclear weapons are concerned, I am more interested in knowing if table top fusion would be available-- sonofusion. This is pretty controversial but would be an excellent power source.

Do you have any idea how large a mech would have to be to haul around an artillery piece??? Let alone fire it. I'd advise reading up abit on the feasibility of Mechs IRL, that'll give you an idea of how terrible an idea they are.

Would rail gun technology be available. I am thinking of the DDX destroyer 155 mm railgun which would be deployed around 2030 as well as railgun anti-missile batteries.

I would not think of mechs as going into direct combat, but might consider them as a form of long range mobile artillery that could position itself in hard to get places, mountaintops, etc.

I was thinking of more powered armor not designed to face tanks but chew up supply lines-- hummers and regular infantry. Infantry killers. Also they might be excellent rangefinding, with all the electronics onboard, calling in artillery fire.

As far as nuclear weapons are concerned, I am more interested in knowing if table top fusion would be available-- sonofusion. This is pretty controversial but would be an excellent power source.

So for the long range mechs, you'd be talking something like a metal gear from metal gear solid? I mean more like Metal gear rex, not ray. and for the powered armor, something like the SHIELD units in Act of War?

Quick update: If we don't get any more positions filled today, I'll be opening up a second nation out of the bunch to all current participants. Right now, just too many holes.

Those Wierd People: I meant, it'd be more likely for them than to go back to using fission-based weaponry.

Railguns: not spectacular, but somewhat effective. Also not a small-use weapon (ie, it's still large-scale).

As for the mech debate, use of them is not restricted, but keep in mind that at this point they're still not mass-produced and not often used on battlefields, nor are the the overly-powered mechs that are displayed often.

I was thinking along the lines of something a bit better than the Macabees BDU-64 as a line soldier unit for mechanized infantry. Basically, a slightly better exoskeleton, and more effectiv batteries.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9140645&postcount=298

Oh, well powered armor works just fine, expcept for the obvious draw backs. I thought you were talking about something in the range of a tanks firepower on legs.

hmm, I'm impressed by the time you put into the timeline, good work. Rp wise Im in 3-4 rps but there all pretty much dead/hibernating. Anyhow,

I'd be interested in PAC. My future strategy is to work on railgun weaponry in response to the new energy weapon tech coming out. Zedong will also be integral in resaerching things in Zero-G and space stuff.

Also what do you think about the pop of PAC? 1-2 billion?

@A. Beasts: If no one takes Angola, I will take it and use it as an "International" terrorist friendly government.

Well, if nobody takes it by the time that you open up a second nation to us I'd be more than happy to take argentina. I was also wondering. Have the M-16 and the Ak-47/74 been replaced by something better and on the same scale yet? And what is the general strategic bomber (B-52 type thing)?

God I hope they've come up with something better than the M-16 by now. Anyway, I'd personally say that would be up to you. After all, you can pick whatever gear you want for your army, assuming you can afford it. On that note, how are we going about determining budgets?

Well, the only reason I'm asking is because M-16 and AK-47/74 type weapons are used all over the world on a large scale. I know that there are other weapons used often, but the majority use those two kinds of weapons.

I guess what I'm trying to ask is has something like the OICW been developed and distributed yet?

Also what do you think about the pop of PAC? 1-2 billion?
I would think it would be right around 2 billion.

I'd personally think it'd be a bit lower than that. They have had several wars on their hands, including biological attacks. That tends to lower populations drastically.

I am going to take a crack at what I think might happen.
I would think that as body armor improved, 5.56 mm arms would be phased out because of their inability to penetrate more modern body armor. Designated marksmen type weapons would become more common with longer range 7.62 mm x 51 mm fire arms. These would be light cast plastic in a bullpup configuration designed to have a very long barrel and extreme ranges. Multishot grenade launchers attachments like the metalstorm 3 shot grenade launcher would become common. Bullets would be designed to be more deadly, HEAP rounds.

So we have a 7.62 mm x 51mm , electric ignited low recoil, bullpup configured designated marksmen style rifle with a 3 shot 40 mm metal storm grenade launcher attachment as a standard.

I'd personally think it'd be a bit lower than that. They have had several wars on their hands, including biological attacks. That tends to lower populations drastically.
Well, they have China which even with wars would probably have a population of around 1.3 billion, then there is Indonesia which currently is growing rapidly and would probably add 400 million people to the total. Malaysia and the other Southeast Asian countries would probably bring the total population up to around 2 billion. Though depending on how bad the wars were it could certainly be lower.

So we have a 7.62 mm x 51mm , electric ignited low recoil, bullpup configured designated marksmen style rifle with a 3 shot 40 mm metal storm grenade launcher attachment as a standard.

Question: Why would that be LOW recoil? For one, you're using a high recoil round. Secondly, the frame is plastic, for christ's sake. With something that light, it's going to kick like a mule then shatter. As for making bullets more deadly, how? Current bullets are pretty damn good already, and packing explosives into the things would be rather pointless, given the pathetic amount of bang you'd get out of them. Better to give them actual armor-piercing ability by sticking with a lead (or possibly tungsten/DU) slug.


Well, they have China which even with wars would probably have a population of around 1.3 billion, then there is Indonesia which currently is growing rapidly and would probably add 400 million people to the total. Malaysia and the other Southeast Asian countries would probably bring the total population up to around 2 billion. Though depending on how bad the wars were it could certainly be lower.
*Slaps head* I completely ignored the fact that it wasn't just China. Silly me. Yep, two bil would seem appropriate.

I am going to take a crack at what I think might happen.
I would think that as body armor improved, 5.56 mm arms would be phased out because of their inability to penetrate more modern body armor. Designated marksmen type weapons would become more common with longer range 7.62 mm x 51 mm fire arms. These would be light cast plastic in a bullpup configuration designed to have a very long barrel and extreme ranges. Multishot grenade launchers attachments like the metalstorm 3 shot grenade launcher would become common. Bullets would be designed to be more deadly, HEAP rounds.

So we have a 7.62 mm x 51mm , electric ignited low recoil, bullpup configured designated marksmen style rifle with a 3 shot 40 mm metal storm grenade launcher attachment as a standard.

I would like to ask though why the 5.56 mm round would be phased out at all. I think the main reason that they were changed that way is that they cause more damage in general to flesh and soft targets, and that's just the normal round. I think they make an armor piercing variety that would pierce most kevlar vests anyway. But I agree with tbe bullpup setup. Now by metalstorm you mean stacked right? Personally, the only way that you would have an effective grenade launcher is with the airburst setup being researched for the OICW. But essentially everything you listed equates to an OICW with the exception of the round caliber. And the last thing I have to say, making the 'designated marksmen' more common would pretty much defeat the purpose of having a designated marksman in the first place. I figure leaving it at the one or two per squad is just fine.

The main reason they switched over to 5.56 is it's lighter, IIRC. Killing power is reduced somewhat, due to the smaller slug, but given standard ammo expenditure rates and since you can lay down more fire (as you have more ammo), it's probably a good trade off in the modern world. I'd personally think 6mm or Grendel would do nicely in the future. Low(er) recoil, great stopping power, and weighs less than 7.62.

As for Metalstorm, it's overrated. While it allows you to save on space, accuracy is decreased somewhat (less barrel for the first rounds), and you still can't auto-fire them or it'll tear your arm off. That and reloading is a bit trickier than simply loading a new magazine or ye olde breachloader like the M203 (and more expensive). Non-airbursting GL's on assault rifles are still worth it, TWP, but not in 25mm, which is why they discontinued the OICW. 40mm grenades are still great at shredding infantry positions, even when impact detonated. You are, of course, right about the marksman comment. After all, most grunts can't hit a moving target in combat situations that well anyway, which is why we have a marksman program in the first place.

Well, yeah, I understand theyre still worth it, I was talking more about multi-shot utility. I also agree that the regular grenade launcher is fine, but I have never heard of a multi-shot grenade launcher in any dual weapons set-up (Like weapon x+underbarrel gl) other than the OICW, which isn't actually developed yet in RL.

The OICW project was actually abandoned, as it was too heavy, and the 20mm airbursts didn't have enough killing power. It was split up into the M-8 and the M-25.

As for multishot capability, it'd be relatively easy to design a pump-action UGL, although it'd be slightly bulky in 40mm. More managable than the XM-29, and probably actually feasible, but still a bit bulky. PRA's M-25 HVAR uses such a setup.

The Australian AICW was not abandoned. Its design is superior to the OICW. It uses a stacked 3 shot grenade launcher. You might want to look at the Future Force Warrior projects around the world. Almost all of them have body armor which can stop standard NATO 5.56 mm rounds. Also, if you run into mobile infantry with heavier armor and light exoskeletons, you might need 7.62 mm armor piercing slugs to get through the armor. The HE part might be a bad idea.

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as72-e.htm

Ekh.. I no longer have enough free time to this justice. Please disregard my previous request. I'll simply observe. Thanks.

Thing is, the AICW is even heavier than the M29, weighing in at over twenty pounds. Of course, it's using the heavier 40mm round, but it's also less accurate (shorter barrel) and carries less ammunition. As for 5.56 vs. 7.62 for AP, either can penetrate armor rather well, getting similar results against hardened surfaces, with 7.62 having slightly better results. Still, the larger ammo load 5.56 gets, or even better 6.5 Grendel, evens it out pretty well.

The OICW project was actually abandoned, as it was too heavy, and the 20mm airbursts didn't have enough killing power. It was split up into the M-8 and the M-25.

As for multishot capability, it'd be relatively easy to design a pump-action UGL, although it'd be slightly bulky in 40mm. More managable than the XM-29, and probably actually feasible, but still a bit bulky. PRA's M-25 HVAR uses such a setup.


._. when did it get abandoned?? I must have completely missed that when I read the wiki.... and no I didn't know that there was an multi-shot underbarrel GL. Mainly for the reason that you stated above, that it's bulky. But ok.

Something like the AICW with the 7.62 MM AP ammunition and the integral grenade launcher would go well as a standard rifle for the battle dress exoskeleton soldiers. It would be the right weight and size.

Well, now that we've established that, what about the standard grunt?

Sorry about the delay, ya'll.

Old Atlantia, approved for Algeria; Gronzyj, approved for PAC.

Second nation option is opened up now, so we can fill the spots still remaining. Granted, I'm taking Brazil, because I'll be launching the spark that sets forth the RP.

Weaponry and budgets, I'm not going to lay down any strict, set guidelines. Leave a bit to interpretation and your own inferring on what would come with the events, compounded by growth and development from 100 years from now.

Cool, I can't wait for this to start.

It'll be this week.

Hopefully, we'll get every country/faction slotted...

Repeat, Second Countries now open for taking.

Then Being a good Commonwealth Munchkin, I'll take Australia as seconds.

In an unprecedented move United Indiastan forms an alliance with the Ottoman Confederation. Joint military exercises and an economic free trade pact is formed. Nehru Khan leader of United Indiastan proclaims this is a great day in history of our peoples.

In an unprecedented move United Indiastan forms an alliance with the Ottoman Confederation. Joint military exercises and an economic free trade pact is formed. Nehru Khan leader of United Indiastan proclaims this is a great day in history of our peoples.

I'm going to assume you mean that you want Indiastan...

I'm wondering if it would be unfair to take Canada while I have Quebec... but I'll go ahead and take Canada as my second nation.

@ABeasts: Groznyj dropped out, so I suggest you take the PAC...

@ABeasts: Groznyj dropped out, so I suggest you take the PAC...

Sounds good, they need to do stuff anyway.

Should we be posting factbooks, or kinda winging it in the beginning? I think I'll for other nations to post their factbooks before posting anything about the International.

Well, if you're allowing second nations, mind if Japan has scooped up Korea in a bout of neo-Imperialism?

Atlantia: Factbooks are not required, but are pushed for.

Otagia: You can RP it, once we start...

can i be the FSAL?

can i be the FSAL?

done.

woohoo thanks

Yeah... so we need factbooks for our nations, ya?

if we're still taking second nations can i have Mexico?

ThoseWierdPeople: Highly encouraged for ease, though not required.

Candistan: Done, and thanks, we needed a Mexico.

For my second nation I shall take South Africa.

Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11760698#post11760698) is the factbook for the Songhai Empire.

No Taxes, I wonder if you'd help me with an appropriate population/army size for Imperial Angola. Please note, IA will be a highly militarized police state...

I would like to take the Iberian Dominion.

No Taxes, I wonder if you'd help me with an appropriate population/army size for Imperial Angola. Please note, IA will be a highly militarized police state...
I would expect it to be around 988 million, lower if there were a bunch of wars. If you had 2.5% percent of your population in the military, which is a lot, your army would have 24.7 million men.

here goes my factbook lol
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=501871

sry about that mixup. can i still have part of Belize and Northern Guatemala still?

sry about that mixup. can i still have part of Belize and Northern Guatemala still?
Ask Amazonian Beasts about it.

ok ill just keep them until i hear from him. plus it isnt much land. just like 70 km down guatemala and a peice of south belize. not a very noticeable difference in the current map

I would expect it to be around 988 million, lower if there were a bunch of wars. If you had 2.5% percent of your population in the military, which is a lot, your army would have 24.7 million men.

Thanks alot, that's very helpful.

sry about that mixup. can i still have part of Belize and Northern Guatemala still?

Yup, certainly.

Can I get some troop numbers:

An army Ottoman and Indiastan style:

Conscripts: Every town has turn out a certain amount of conscripts based on their size.

Janissaries: Young troublemakers instead of being sent to juvenile hall are sent to the janissary training camps. This was restarted in 2080 so there should be a core of highly trained janissaries by 2100. The Janissary training camps are run by Gurkhas and other elite troops.

Hard labor battalions: Not strictly military, these are used to build roads, bridges, and do the hard dirty work for government and military. There are some units which are trained for close combat.

Elite Troops: These are the powered armor and mechanized infantry battalions. It includes the artillery command. Large amounts of the artillery command were originally from India.

Airforce: The majority of the airforce is from Turkey and India. They have excellent fighter jet support.

Navy and Coast Guard: The majority of the navy came from India and Turkey originally.

Space Force: Indiastan had the beginnings of a space force when it joined with the Ottoman Confederacy.

Can I get some troop numbers:

An army Ottoman and Indiastan style:

Conscripts: Every town has turn out a certain amount of conscripts based on their size.

Janissaries: Young troublemakers instead of being sent to juvenile hall are sent to the janissary training camps. This was restarted in 2080 so there should be a core of highly trained janissaries by 2100. The Janissary training camps are run by Gurkhas and other elite troops.

Hard labor battalions: Not strictly military, these are used to build roads, bridges, and do the hard dirty work for government and military. There are some units which are trained for close combat.

Elite Troops: These are the powered armor and mechanized infantry battalions. It includes the artillery command. Large amounts of the artillery command were originally from India.

Airforce: The majority of the airforce is from Turkey and India. They have excellent fighter jet support.

Navy and Coast Guard: The majority of the navy came from India and Turkey originally.

Space Force: Indiastan had the beginnings of a space force when it joined with the Ottoman Confederacy.


So, what exactly is your question?
Btw, you'll have to RP the Indiastan-Ottoman merge first in the RP sequence, before merging them (because as of January 1st, at 0:00:00, 2100, they are seperate entities still).

Amazonianbeasts, can you verify me as the Iberian Dominion. I claimed on page 8.

I've been looking at what free time I have, and realized that I don't have all that much, so I would like to withdraw from rping Canada. I'll still keep up with Quebec though, I just don't have time to run two countries.

I am interested in the approximate population of Indiastan and troop numbers. I am also interested in approximate population and troop numbers for the Ottoman Confederation.

I am guessing at about 4 million quality troops for Indiastan. As well as the population of the Ottoman Confederation. For the Ottoman confederation it would be close to 2 million quality troops with the conscription and the various labor and janissary battalions.

how big of a population would the FSAL have?

oh and a slight warning. the military numbers will be a little high, but remember that actually well trained soldiers make up only about 43% of the military. the rest is district and local militia forces that only have a fair amount of training at best and the individual member state national guards who are more trained than the militias but less than the ISDF soldiers.

Here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11763980#post11763980)'s Quebec's factbook. And remember, I'm dropping Canada. I also had another question. I noted at one point in a robotics class I took one time, that the main problem with most robots or mechs is getting a bipedal form to work. But what about quadrupedal mechs? I'm not saying they're gonna be like "OMG TEH H4X0RZ" powerful or anything, but as a replacement for a main battle tank. I understand that legs would not be the most well protected things in the world, but would it be more feasible than the standard bipedal mech that I think most of you are talking about?

Thing is, it's still far more complicated (and thus less reliable and more expensive) than treads, has a far higher ground pressure (meaning it will sink into the ground), has to have more armor slathered on it (higher surface area), and is far slower and less stable (meaning it mounts smaller weapons) than a tank.

That said, it's better than a biped. Still, tanks will rule the battlefield for centuries to come.

Oh ok. But if you were given 20-30 uninterupted years or so to develop that specific technology it would be feasible right? Or would it require much more time than that?

Well, you could. But then, your opponent puts 20-30 years of effort into improving his tanks, leaving him with a superior tank design, with bigger, heavier guns, heavier armor, lower ground pressure, higher top speed, etc.

Hmm... well I mean, Quebec has been sitting there with nothing to do while other countries go to war, so while I understand that the other countries will have advanced, they would have had considerable amounts of budgetary spending put towards wars. With the possible exception of America through the first half or so of the 21st century, most countries were either at war or preparing for war. So while they may have advanced, they wouldn't have had 20-30 uninterupted years along with budget to design something like that. But whatever, that's why it only has a small number anyway.

Actually, it doesn't work that way. Countries at war tend to have higher budgets for their R&D department, thinking up new ways to kill people. Countries at peace tend to spend their money on more important things, like roads and schools. Countries perpetually at peace tend to spend very little on their army at all, as they don't need a strong military. After all, who're they going to use it against?

Oh. That makes complete sense. I don't know why I hadn't thought of it before. Thanks for the insight.

Note that that only applies to democratic countries, like the US and Quebec. During the last couple decades, the US has had rather large budget cuts to the military (it's been in the news a lot, mostly Conservatives complaining). Meanwhile, North Korea has been investing extreme amounts of money in its military, to the detriment of the rest of the country.

can anyone answer my question? how many people would be in the FSAL at 2100?

can anyone answer my question? how many people would be in the FSAL at 2100?
I would guess around 275 million.

thanks a ton

FSAL factbook
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=501957&highlight=FSAL

I am interested in the approximate population of Indiastan and troop numbers. I am also interested in approximate population and troop numbers for the Ottoman Confederation.

I am guessing at about 4 million quality troops for Indiastan. As well as the population of the Ottoman Confederation. For the Ottoman confederation it would be close to 2 million quality troops with the conscription and the various labor and janissary battalions.

Given the amount of people in the countries of Indiastan, accounting for growth, and basing on war-time losses due to severe hits from bio and chem weapons, I'd say 3.5-3.7 million for Indiastan (with a total population easily to 1.4-1.55 billion, due to Bangledesh and India). For the Ottomans, I'd say 2 million would be a tad high. I'd shoot more in the 1.2-1.4 million range, as even with the Balkans, the Ottoman Confed. is still not all that large.

P.S.: Philanchez, added.

P.S.S: RP starts Friday with a big announcement from the PAC (me) to kick things off

Alrighty. oh, and an approximate percentage of the population being in the armed forces should be something like .5% right? Especially since it's really only a defensive force and not really anything meant to fight other militaries other than defensively.

Alrighty. oh, and an approximate percentage of the population being in the armed forces should be something like .5% right? Especially since it's really only a defensive force and not really anything meant to fight other militaries other than defensively.
Yeah most democratic countries not at war have less than 1% of their population in the military.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11768081#post11768081 My factbook for the UK, sorry it took so long but I've had troubles logging on.

No problem, seeing as I don't even have mine done yet for the PAC and Brazil =P.

I'll post all factbooks at the beginning of the thread when we start.

so, uh...are we going to start this today?

That is correct...

ohohohohoh i like it when people speak in creepy voices lol! I cant wait any longer! I NEED TO HEAR THE ANOUNCEMENT!

Here we go, to kick off the new century, the PAC's announcement for a "better tomorrow", to kick off the RP. Feel free to be creative in responses, actions, whatever.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11773612#post11773612

...too bad neither of my countries have anything to do with this lol

...too bad neither of my countries have anything to do with this lol

? It's an international statement, provoking world response. When a leader makes a big response as such that the PAC leader has, usually there's global reaction. Brazil will comment on it tomorrow (negatively, I'll leak).

o ok when its put that way it makes more sense

Do we reply with our responses in that thread or is it something else?

Do we reply with our responses in that thread or is it something else?

What you think is good, but the thread is open to all and any responses, relations, etc.

Oh ok, well, I already responded so I guess I answered my own question. Thanks anyway :D

where are the other big powers like the RSFSR and the USA??? we kind of need to hear their responses to this

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11779885#post11779885 England's proposal to the world, link it the front page some time AB please.

I may have missed it somewhere, but now that RPing has started how will time pass relative to RL in this RP? Will it be like 1 day RL = 1 week in the RP, or something else?

1 day=half a month, so that we can actually get through years here.

Linked, Walden.

I have one question to ask: How does the International come into play here. like what are they against. plus i dont think they were ever once mentioned in the timeline. So all i want to know is what they are anout and such, just to get an idea

Im sort of biding my time, seeing how the posts are going, before I create the International's history. They are a group of neo-facists in the guise of world liberating socialists... they are involved in drug/arms running and dealing, fill the interlink (internet) with propaganda, and like to rile up the third world. They have close ties to the highly corrupt Angolan government, which provides them with mercs.

I was also wondering... where the hell are america and the rfsfr??? And how are npc nations like Canada going to be run?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11786079#post11786079
^^ the UCMS's announcment for an international arms fair held in cabo san lucas

I was hoping we could carve the npc nations up, first convincing argument takes the pieces.

I was also wondering... where the hell are america and the rfsfr??? And how are npc nations like Canada going to be run?
I Agree Thosewierdpeople, this is rediculous. We need the other SP's to play a part, otherwise The PAC (no offense Amazonian) will rule the planet pretty much, being the only major world superpower playing

Im sort of biding my time, seeing how the posts are going, before I create the International's history. They are a group of neo-facists in the guise of world liberating socialists... they are involved in drug/arms running and dealing, fill the interlink (internet) with propaganda, and like to rile up the third world. They have close ties to the highly corrupt Angolan government, which provides them with mercs.

lol they seem sort of like the UCMS, a bunch a military fascists

I'm going to give them one more day before I decide what to do with the Soviets and American nations...because seriously, the PAC, and maybe Indiastan, have a lock on the world right now...

P.S.: Philanchez, added.

P.S.S: RP starts Friday with a big announcement from the PAC (me) to kick things off

Completely missed this. Will post a factbook.

Completely missed this. Will post a factbook.

No prob, it's still wide open.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11786294#post11786294

I need a population.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11786294#post11786294

I need a population.

Anything from 80-100 Million would probably work for the Iberians.

Anything from 80-100 Million would probably work for the Iberians.

QFT. Though I'd say in the earlier range (towards the 80 mil).

Can someone suggest a good nation to possibly join as?

Can someone suggest a good nation to possibly join as?

Argentina and the MEC as your second. Both are desperately needed.

Has a map yet been made?

I believe I'd like the MEC. All Arab nations are in it, correct? Plus some African ones and Iran?

Yup, Egypt, Djibouti, and I think it's Somalia.

Will you just go with one nation? We're opening up two.

A map is somewhere back, I'll post it on the first post...

A map is somewhere back, I'll post it in the first post...
I put it in my post on the first page.

I put it in my post on the first page.

Grazie.

Ok, I've decided. Just MEC for me.

Ok, I've decided. Just MEC for me.

Added, good.

Yes! finally a MEC. now all we need to make this day better is for the RSFSR and america to show themselves...

Yes! finally a MEC. now all we need to make this day better is for the RSFSR and america to show themselves...

TPF made an American ref, so he's here...

EDIT:
Uh, ok. Is oil worthless now? I was reading the PAC's thread, and caught the obvious hints that oil is worthless, and the MEC has nothing but sand. When did oil lose its value? It didn't say anything in the timeline...

EDIT:
Uh, ok. Is oil worthless now? I was reading the PAC's thread, and caught the obvious hints that oil is worthless, and the MEC has nothing but sand. When did oil lose its value? It didn't say anything in the timeline...
Well you can assume that there is much oil left anyways, so the price is high and there are other energy technologies nowadays.

What the middle east has is a lot of sand. It would be very easy to mass produce solar power in the middle east, cheap labor and lots of sand to produce silicon. I posted some threads earlier about investing heavily in the middle east to produce solar cells, clear solar powered glass for skyscrapers, solar powered electrolyzer which would split water into hydrogen gas and oxygen-- a cheap way to produce lots of hydrogen for filling stations. I called it the "Golden Sun Initiative." This was before our MEC representative joined though.

Question: Should I factor inflation into my country's GDP? Because if inflation rates stay the same, the USD should be worth about fifteen cents today's money, and I'm wondering if I should account for that in what I write (as I'm going to be measuring the GDP in USD, which is quite a bit easier than Yen). On the bright side, Japan should be a rather rich country by this time if current trends hold.

wait so whats the deal here??? america has an emporer? how does that work?

Imperial Japan Factbook (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=502821)

I'm sorry, but the MEC no longer interests me. The situation is too, well, poor. Maybe another country would be better suited to me.

I wouldn't really call it poor. Even if oil is no longer used for automotive purposes, tanks still need it (hydrogen doesn't provide enough oomph to move a 60 tonne slab of metal very quickly), you still need it for plastics, you most certainly still need it for jet fuel, and you can always convert it into hydrogen quite easily (the jet fuel is probably worth more though).

I'm sorry, but the MEC no longer interests me. The situation is too, well, poor. Maybe another country would be better suited to me.

That's half the challenge =P
Though if you'd not like to be the MEC, I'd seriously suggest Argentina or Israel...we need both.

Additionally, no, oil is not worthless. It's not as great a commodity, but still used in plenty of things.

well black...if you dont want to be the MEC, then i would suggest argentina since they actually have something going for them

o yeah i totally forgot about israel...i cant believe there werent more wars over there this whole time, i mean damn theyre surrounded by people who HATE them
Oh and to anyone else reading this ESPECIALLY smaller countries. Make sure you can sign up for the UCMS arms fair. it will benefit your country GREATLY.

well black...if you dont want to be the MEC, then i would suggest argentina since they actually have something going for them

True, plus, when Argentina gets in, I'm going to use Brazil as a major playa.

along with that, the FSAL will have to look out since its old enemies are making a rebound

along with that, the FSAL will have to look out since its old enemies are making a rebound

The FSAL may have a deal to isolate Argentina with Brazil...

The FSAL may have a deal to isolate Argentina with Brazil...


hmmm...interesting

Here the link to of America's Mars expedition. You may want to add this to the front page. Also, will the factbooks be getting added?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=502839

i have just a quick question. What natural resources are on the moon? i mean the most i have heard of is the possibility of manufacturing bastard metals out of the soil. Dose it have oil, lead, platinum, or gold? Aluminum? I mean what good is a moon base if you cant use anything around you?

i have just a quick question. What natural resources are on the moon? i mean the most i have heard of is the possibility of manufacturing bastard metals out of the soil. Dose it have oil, lead, platinum, or gold? Aluminum? I mean what good is a moon base if you cant use anything around you?
There are plenty of things a moon base could be useful for, research, military purposes, resupply center, observation post. Just because there are not many resources there does not mean that it is not useful.

Very few resources, IIRC. The regalith is a good source of tritium and deuterium, IIRC, and there's a rather high iron and magnesium content, but I wouldn't think it would be worth sending a mission just to mine it, especially given the cost of moving things to orbit, landing, etc.

Oil on the Moon???

It's not a resource base, but 1) a statement, 2) a research outpost for space, 3) a forward center for space missions to other planets and moons.

Amazonian: what are you going to do about the RSFSR? the UCMS was hoping to make a deal with them but they havent been around at all...

yes, and the Americans have been meaning to talk with them.

I'd think the moon wouldn't be a great place to mine. Mining a near earth asteroid might be kind of interesting. If you could figure out how to do it cheaply, it would be a worth a fortune.

Either way, you'd have to find a cheap way to get things back and forth from orbit, as current prices are over a thousand USD a pound, and unless something rather revolutionary comes along, I really don't see that changing too much.

someone else has to be the rsfsr, boot out red.

someone else has to be the rsfsr, boot out red.
And preferably it should be a decent and active RPer since the RSFSR is arguably the most powerful nation.

And preferably it should be a decent and active RPer since the RSFSR is arguably the most powerful nation.

Definately.

Arkema has a process for mass producing multiwall carbon nanotubes. By 2100 it should be possible to mass produce
cheap fullerene composites-- combining carbon nanotubes with polymers to make materials strong enough to make a space
elevator. http://www.zyvex.com/News/ArkemaPR_2006.html

Liftport Technologies has a very nice design for a commercial space elevator which open space for commercial use.
http://www.liftport.com

Bigelow Aerospace will have built cheap inflatable solar powered habitat modules. The estimated cost is $50 million per module on first launch. With time in space this would go down. This combination could open space to commercialization.

Or if you want something a little bit more interesting, we could assume that somehow, it is possible to build a space blimp-- Airship to Orbit which is kind of cool, but very controversial.

This would open the way for asteroid mining. I could do a thread with some help on opening asteroid mining or cheap access to space.

Of course this has some other nice uses fullerene composite BDUs or mech and tank armor could be very interesting.

I have a friend who is a good roleplayer who may be able to take over the Soviets.

does NLU have a major part in the world? if it doesnt, can we just chop it up between the US, UCMS, and FSAL and Brazil?

OOC: TPF: when are our astronauts reaching mars?

I have a friend who is a good roleplayer who may be able to take over the Soviets.

Tell him to come on over. Red Tide's not active here.

No, the NLU is a Mexico-like. We can divide it between Brazil, Mexico, and the FSAL, sure.

ok so what would my nations get? should we just do this now? ill RP it like immediately if you want

ok i added it to the history that basically central america down to north panama, Cuba and Jamaica are under UCMS control due to Python Rising. You can choose your islands, then FSAL will take whatever is left.

my friend cant do it due to time contraints =[

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m78/kadangadooo/CANDISTAN.png

here is the link to the updated map.
AB: if you want more or less islands just ask and ill add or remove from the map

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m78/kadangadooo/CANDISTAN.png

here is the link to the updated map.
AB: if you want more or less islands just ask and ill add or remove from the map

That's good. Brazil needs to conquer stuff as well.

did you remove the NLU yet and put the takeover in the timeline?

common: the UCMS is willing to buy some of the composite BDU's, about 5,000. what is the price?

Composite Battle Dress-- Mobile Infantry Platform. This is a mechanized infantry unit. It consists of an armored exoskeleton about 4x normal human strength. The ultracapacitators also allow short bursts of speed slightly faster than a normal human would run 20 mph. The exoskeleton is powered by a series of long lasting rechargeable lithium ion nanobatteries, with nanobattery ultracapacitors. It can run for 2 days without recharge. There are cooling fans throughout the unit as well as standard ABC protection and filters for gas and biochemical weapons. The helmet has standard electronics, communications, infrared, nightvision, motion detection, GPS, in addition to standard sighting for weapons, it includes the ability to range find for artillery. The outer shell is a biopolymer carbon 60 composite. Unlike other units this does not include a camouflage capacity. This is compensated for with a heat and corrosion protective coating. It is slightly more expensive to produce than regular BDUs which run $50,000. These would run about $75,000 each. $375 million dollars for the UCMS

Would bucky-tubes really be the best idea for armor at this point? They're rather expensive to produce, with no cheap alternative for production in sight, and they tend to be rather carcinogenic...

hmm...maybe only 2500 since it is only for some elite FSS CT's and SpecOps

I believe mass production of bucky tubes began this year 2006 with the Arkema Zyvex partnership. A small plant with 10 tons of production capacity initially in France. To build a space elevator, you would probably need bucky tubes. This would be a spin off of the space elevator. We will make a deal with the UCMS, 2500 suits for $180 million.

We accept your price.

I believe mass production of bucky tubes began this year 2006 with the Arkema Zyvex partnership. A small plant with 10 tons of production capacity initially in France. To build a space elevator, you would probably need bucky tubes. This would be a spin off of the space elevator. We will make a deal with the UCMS, 2500 suits for $180 million.

What does a space elevator have to do with anything here? Unless you're building one? And even with improved production capacity, I really can't see prices going beneath 50 USD a gram by modern times.

Zyvex is already producing carbon nanotube products, you can buy a baseball bat for $175 that incorporates carbon nanotubes, also bicycle parts, hockey sticks, and a few other things.

http://www.nasatech.com/spinoff/Spinoff2005/ch_3.html

You do realise that those products have an absolutely miniscule amount of buckytube in them, right? It's simply the occasional scattered fragment floating in an epoxy. Of course, if that's what yours is instead of full-fledged carbonan weave fabric, go for it.

TPF: when exactly do the US and FSAL astronauts reach mars

TPF: when exactly do the US and FSAL astronauts reach mars

Tommrow I'll update this.

Here are all of the factbooks so far. I was wondering if these could get added to the front page...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=501857 (Songhai Empire)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=501871 (Mexico)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11763980#post11763980 (Republic of Quebec)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=501957&highlight=FSAL (FSAL)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11768081#post11768081 (UK)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11786294#post11786294 (Iberian Dominion)
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=502821 (Empire of Japan)

TPF: aw man what happened to the mars update i was waiting for that all night lol

Question: Who controls the various island nations in the Pacific? They're looking like fun little targets for Japan/Yamatetsu's "aggresive diplomacy." After all, it's hard to have an Empire without colonies, and Korea gets boring after a while. ;)

Oh, and do we have a Russia player? I'm considering starting a little border dispute there, and it'd be more fun with an actual opponent instead of an NPC.

Otagia: I am looking to martyr one of my leaders after the first constitutional conventional fully uniting Indiastan with the Ottoman Confederacy. Does one of your terrorists want to assassinate a leader/create a martyr?

it seems like this has died...we need to be more active here.

Otagia: I am looking to martyr one of my leaders after the first constitutional conventional fully uniting Indiastan with the Ottoman Confederacy. Does one of your terrorists want to assassinate a leader/create a martyr?

I don't really have any terrorist groups. There might be some Korean nationalists left over, but barring them, I can't really think of anybody. Although if you can think of a reason a Korean nationalist would kill an Ottoman/Indian leader who has absolutely nothing to do with the occupying Japanese, I'm game.

it seems like this has died...we need to be more active here.
Well, Jolt died for a day and a half. We haven't really had a chance to write anything. :p

yea i guess this just needed a little bump

Um... *cough*. Is anyone even participating in this still?

Well, I would, but there doesn't seem to be anyone left. Jolt kicking like that seems to have gutted it... Was looking forward to those war games, too...